@@maxtheleopard It certainly looks like it can, or at least do nasty things to a user's face if they aren't careful. Not a great design for a weapon that is supposed to be used by conscripts often trained in haste. Must have been especially galling to old soldiers who had entered the army when they had Mausers with their carefully-cut wooden stocks designed to minimize risk of recoil injury.
Oh, but if you mount a scope, you can get a higher sight line and keep your face a bit more out of the way! ... but then you can't fold the stock anymore because the scope is in the way.
@@Euan_Miller43 Vehicle crews were to be issued this weapon as well. Really, anyone who the military wanted to have a full-powered rifle but thought could benefit from it having a folding stock would have gotten this and that means mostly conscripts in Franco's Spain. Also, paratroopers tend to be volunteers, yes, but often volunteer after they are conscripted (I knew such a man in the American 101st Airborne.) Lastly, when a war is on, most nations will gladly use conscripts for any role if the numbers required are not met by volunteers.
My guess as to why it was made is that someone in procurement ordered a folding CETME and wouldn't listen to the designers explain why it wasn't worth the trade-offs, so they shrugged and gave him what he asked for.
It does seem a bit pointless doesn't it? So much effort for so little gain, and a gun that's going to smash your face in when you shoot it, that you wonder if just standing a little bit further back wasn't at least as practical an option.
@@hellcatdave1 Perhaps you didn't like his phrasing, but Anthony was obviously referring to Ian's strong criticism of the cheek weld and his conviction that firing it would do unacceptable things to his face.
Spaniard here. For what is worth, I have never, ever, seen that contraption before, and I am almost sure our paratroopers haven't either. I doubt it was ever issued. Yes, the CETME B-style handguard and folded bipod are familiar, but not the folding stock, which is registering 5 in the "Why, dear God, why" scale. I am not brave enough to try to fire that thing. I'd rather be standing in the business end of it (along with the sadists who designed it).
I think you'd be better off with a more forward scope (or rather reflex sight) anyway - put it a bit higher up and you'll at least be able to use the rifle without hurting yourself.
Combat optics weren't a thing when that rifle was under development. Snipers had scopes, sure, but they weren't supposed to be taking part in assault operations w/ the regulars & paras, they were part of regimental support...
The grease gun stock is just bent round steel Rod. The H&K uses flat stock that is really uncomfortable against your face. Especially with the recoil of the 7.62 NATO@simonx760
Awesome video for the Halloween season! That stock on that rifle (being one of the hardest kicking .308 rifles out there), & lack of ergonomics is quite horrifying!
I see lot of guys who had an uncomfortable contact with the Iron sights of the G3 during my time in the Bundeswehr, can't imagine when some Spanish Paras went into a Cantina and be asked if they had a fight in another Cantina, "No, we were out on the range today..."😉
I remember going to a milsurp shoot a few years back where somebody a few benches down had a CETME. By lunch, it was universally referred to as the "GODDAMN CETME", for its habit of flinging brass all the way down the firing line. That damn thing had the most energetic ejection of any rifle I've ever stood next to. Brutal! We finally had to stop the range and nail a chunk of carpet next to his position, since we couldn't put him on the end of the line (cooking area was at that end). He was still flinging the occasional case over the top of the carpet and pelting the guy five tables over. The fun of milsurp shooting days!
I was Navy Air and we were flying out of the Spanish Air field Palma. After a few drinks we headed back to the plane to get our bags. A Grumman"C1A" There was a guard on duty so I said to my friend "Do you think we should talk to the guard? He says "Oh the dumb ass won't speek english, at that time he slapped the folding stock on a sub submachine gun in place. We went over and talked to that nice young man. LOL!
Most Spaniards could actually keep a conversation with you without many problems, specially soldiers, they require a B2 level of english (maybe C1, I don't remember correctly) just to request toget into the army
Caution! Many spaniards can speak, read and listen un english, not fine, but they can, but, they dont do It, because they feel shame for do It in a not correctly way, or they do It well done or they prefer quiet.
All the joy of shooting a Chauchat combined with a folding stock that is the equivalent to the Chauchat’s bipod. It’s better than not having it but that is a fairly low bar.
As you were explaining the stock, I was typing a question about the handgaurd. It's what caught my attention. Before I was done typing...you mentioned it. Nicely done, thorough overview as always.👍
I have never seen such stock in a CETME either in publications or in real life. When I was a kid there were a Mechanized Infantry regiment and a Legion detachment stationed her, the paratroop brigade is relatively close and I only saw standard wooden stock rifles and some with (very few) B handguards. Great find!
I like the idea of a top folder, it allows a magazine to be loaded without interfering with the stock unfolding, I do wonder why it was never considered on other guns
I saw years ago, a photo of an Dutch Soldier in New Guinea dated back to 1961, with in his hands an Cetme rifle with folding stock he took from an Indonesian insurgent.
@Graham Hey if you feel like I was being critic I think you have trouble understanding others in ur own lenguage, idk, maybe you are just el tuerce botas
@@staringgasmask Duele mas que una G3...? Un arcabuz del sigloXX... Un poco de goma, guata, o plastico fino hubiera sido un detalle apreciado.. si eres paracaidista...
I think the length of pull is off because the designer takes into account the thickness from the padded parachute straps. So it is basically the same idea you use the first two settings on your AR when wearing a vest.
It's interesting that although the Cetme/G3 basic design lends itself better to develope folding/collapsable stock (because the recoil spring on the original design was not located inside the buttstock) still the folding/collapsable versions of Cetme/G3 were developed about the same time as such versions of the FN FAL although it needed more redesign because the recoil spring of the FAL was located in the buttstock on the original design.
Never saw a single BRIPAC (Spanish Airborne Brigade) trooper carry one of those. Not a single one. They always jumped with full-sized CETME. Mind you that I was an Air Traffic Controller stationed at the US Air Base from which the lads would embark on their transports, and lived just 3 blocks from their Brigade's former base in Alcala de Henares.
Now there is an idea for a video game... A rifle that deals minor damage every time you fire it (and still has no real advantages) I love the cetme but this gets a 10/10 "what the hell man"
I fractured an orbital and needed stiches shooting an old break action hammer fired shotgun at like 9 years old... My dad wasn't the safest ... anyway I'd like the standard length of pull.
@@the_borax_kid2233 I have my wife listening to 1984 on audiobook. I hope next time she sees this Futarama gag, she gets it: ruclips.net/video/xncmm-KAWGo/видео.html
I am used to top-folding stocks on a shotgun like the SPAS-12 and older Remington Model 870 mainly but on a rifle it is a rare site. The only other nation I know to use top-folding stocks wide spread is the DPRK (North Korea) who uses top-folders on their Type 88 (AK-74), Type 64 (RPK) and the Type 98 (AKS-74U). I think the DPRK came out with the top-folding stocks in the 2000's from what I was able to find on research which is hard to find alone as it is the DPRK.
this would be an excellent place to go and read the TFB article on the development and adoption of the Spuhr stock for rifles of this pattern very interesting story IMHO.
For anyone that has never slung a g3, I had an airsoft full metal and plastic model and I used a 3 point sling on it and it reached from my shoulder to my knees and I am 6'3". I wouldn't mind having this stock but my airsoft gun was an aeg so it had no recoil.
The scope mount was an standard issue on the CETME Sport, while the folding stock was completely interchangeable with the standard wooden stock. Maybe somebody at CETME decided to get rid of the crappy preproduction folding stocks by attaching them to Sports intended for the civilian market.
Haha you know it's awesome when you start the video then pause to get your dinner and the overhearing wife completes Ian's introduction from the pause. Yes that just happened!
Its missing (for obvious reasons) the G3's practical two "holes" at the back of the butstock for holding the pins. Also the G3 has an actual captive recoil spring.
The actual CETMEs have them, this is some weird crap that a random soldier did in his free time, or at least it looks like that. Hell, the CETME is the G3, it came before, the holes are a CETME design before an HK one
Spanish designers: We have a new folding stock, but it doesn't accommodate optics. Spanish military: That's okay. At least there won't be anymore "scope eye." Designer: Well...
It looks like the stock folds and sits between the top scope mounts. If that's correct, then you can't even try to solve the cheek placement issue with an optic if you want to utilize the folding stock (which is the reason you have poor cheek placement...)
I never seen one of those, give the CETME a really weird look, like a CETME B from outter space or something; wouldn't want to shoot it do, that must leave a good print on the face.
If this model had gone into actual general use it would not have taken wery long before it would have been nicknamed something like the `cheek crusher`.
you ever see something and its so bad that you just start to grin like an idiot? I looked at the short stock and thought well so sorry for all those with their high cheekbones.
Frist: repeat after me: Modelo mil novecientos cincuenta y ocho. Second: in a job interview for CETME -Are you a specialist in mechanics? - Yes I am - Metallurgy knowledge? - Yes I do - Ergonomics knowledge? - None. - Ok, hired !! Best regards from Argentina. En una entrevista laboral para CETME -Es usted especialista en mecánica? - Si lo soy - Conocimientos de metalurgia? - Si los tengo - ¿Conocimientos de ergonomía? - Ninguno. - Ok, contratado!! Saludos desde Argentina
Almost like the front of the weapon was designed by someone who knew what they were doing (brilliant bipod) as for the back half I have no idea what happened there.
Shooting that would cut your face. Imagine walking into your office the next day and your boss or coworkers ask you about the nasty cut and a black eye.
7.62 CETME is not a lower pressure cartridge! It's a lower recoiling cartridge. It uses flake powder with a very light bullet instead of a heavy bullet with extruded powder like 7.62NATO. It's basically pistol powder in it's case and as such the pressure is almost identical. The Spanish FR7/8 manual lists the pressures as 3,300 kg per square centimeter for the CETME cartridge and 3,500 kg per square centimeter for the NATO one. That's 47,000 and 50,000 PSI. Not a whole lot of difference! Santa Barbara arsenal, who made the cartridges lists both calibers as 3,500 kg per square centimeter. And no, the Spanish Mausers were always intended to fire 7.62 NATO. 7.62 CETME was designed for controlling full auto fire.
The collapsible stock is really the only practical alternative for a G3 type rifle. And even that has issues since some jackass thought a reverse curve on it was a good idea.
The CETME Paratrooper sought to control recoil by implementing the shooter's face as part of its buffer system.
Full designed for basque soldiers
And potentially breaking some bones in the process
I see you are a technical writer for big business...
Genius!
You see (insert Spanish name), you put rifle stock on face so to control recoil due to fear hitting face
Ahhh, Ian. The only person who can make me interested about a folding stock for 7 minutes
Or some victorian sight protectors
Isn't he eloquent!?
Seriously. Ian is awesome.
gun jeasus is gun jeasus
Ah, the CETME paratrooper stock. Or as it's also known: the Spanish Dentist.
Because it broke teeth?
@@maxtheleopard It certainly looks like it can, or at least do nasty things to a user's face if they aren't careful. Not a great design for a weapon that is supposed to be used by conscripts often trained in haste. Must have been especially galling to old soldiers who had entered the army when they had Mausers with their carefully-cut wooden stocks designed to minimize risk of recoil injury.
@@genericpersonx333 paratroopers tend not to be conscripts
Oh, but if you mount a scope, you can get a higher sight line and keep your face a bit more out of the way! ... but then you can't fold the stock anymore because the scope is in the way.
@@Euan_Miller43 Vehicle crews were to be issued this weapon as well. Really, anyone who the military wanted to have a full-powered rifle but thought could benefit from it having a folding stock would have gotten this and that means mostly conscripts in Franco's Spain. Also, paratroopers tend to be volunteers, yes, but often volunteer after they are conscripted (I knew such a man in the American 101st Airborne.) Lastly, when a war is on, most nations will gladly use conscripts for any role if the numbers required are not met by volunteers.
I like having my eye socket and cheek bone slammed while shooting; it ads to the immersiveness of the experience.
Become one with the recoil buffer.
I don't know why this made me laugh, but it did..
Atleast your not the one getting metal pushed through ur head
I've got a 94 Winchester 16 Inch trapper you'll just love then.
Only in the world of guns do have things that are "rare" and "exotic" because using one can give you a black eye and maybe some broken bones!
I do love how some things become collectables because they're defective, sums up the human condition pretty well.
Pet gorillas are rare and exotic for the same reason.
@@borismuller86 I came her to say this! 😂
An angry midget stripper filled those requirements for me.
I don't think the Ross Mk III is all that rare and exotic.
How much will that CETME back?
I’m waiting for this to make it to the top of the comments. This is the one.
This comment officers
Impressive. Very Impressive.
BOOOO! GET OFF THE STAGE!
boooo
My guess as to why it was made is that someone in procurement ordered a folding CETME and wouldn't listen to the designers explain why it wasn't worth the trade-offs, so they shrugged and gave him what he asked for.
Kinda like working in an IT Dept today.
@@likydsplit8483 Exactly!
CETME with an over folder: just because you can doesn’t mean you should
Spain: Just because we shouldn't doesn't mean we won't
The decrease in overall length is also not that impressive
Coupled with a slightly shorter barrel though it would make a difference nonetheless
@Jbog07 It's actually a back-handed compliment if you read carefully...
It does seem a bit pointless doesn't it? So much effort for so little gain, and a gun that's going to smash your face in when you shoot it, that you wonder if just standing a little bit further back wasn't at least as practical an option.
@@AnthonyHandcock how on earth is it going to smack your face? You are talking out of your ass.
@@hellcatdave1 Perhaps you didn't like his phrasing, but Anthony was obviously referring to Ian's strong criticism of the cheek weld and his conviction that firing it would do unacceptable things to his face.
Spaniard here. For what is worth, I have never, ever, seen that contraption before, and I am almost sure our paratroopers haven't either. I doubt it was ever issued. Yes, the CETME B-style handguard and folded bipod are familiar, but not the folding stock, which is registering 5 in the "Why, dear God, why" scale. I am not brave enough to try to fire that thing. I'd rather be standing in the business end of it (along with the sadists who designed it).
@Graham It's the "widely" in your answer that still worries me...
Alguien de la mili que se aburría, supongo
Sold them to the US
@@demonprinces17 : American gun nuts will buy anything that shoots.
It's a very strange rifle. At the time the compact gun was the Star Z SMG, and being a C it has tripod and handguard from a B.
Must be an australian underfolding stock.
I hope you get the likes that comment deserves.
@@sulla175 It's already more than I thought.
Lmfao
I am awed by the forethought of the tactical nose pick. Better than a bottle opener
Also you can't place any scope on the rear mount since the stock goes around it. Limiting what scopes or sights you can put on
I think you'd be better off with a more forward scope (or rather reflex sight) anyway - put it a bit higher up and you'll at least be able to use the rifle without hurting yourself.
You can put a sight there but it won't fold then. kind of defeating the purpose of a folder in the first place
Combat optics weren't a thing when that rifle was under development. Snipers had scopes, sure, but they weren't supposed to be taking part in assault operations w/ the regulars & paras, they were part of regimental support...
It's an HK. Not being easy to put an optic on is a given.
+faster move speed
+faster ADS
-ADS stability
-Recoil control
-Crime against gunsmithing
-Broken bones
I always hated the standard H&K collapsible stock, I guess I didn’t give it enough credit. Apparently it could have been much worse.
H&K G3 is bad copy of licenced CETME
The grease gun stock is just bent round steel Rod. The H&K uses flat stock that is really uncomfortable against your face. Especially with the recoil of the 7.62 NATO@simonx760
Nothing like sipping tea and catching a new upload!
Awesome video for the Halloween season! That stock on that rifle (being one of the hardest kicking .308 rifles out there), & lack of ergonomics is quite horrifying!
I see lot of guys who had an uncomfortable contact with the Iron sights of the G3 during my time in the Bundeswehr, can't imagine when some Spanish Paras went into a Cantina and be asked if they had a fight in another Cantina, "No, we were out on the range today..."😉
Rarer still than the rifle is the collector willing to be named, thanks LAV.
I remember going to a milsurp shoot a few years back where somebody a few benches down had a CETME. By lunch, it was universally referred to as the "GODDAMN CETME", for its habit of flinging brass all the way down the firing line. That damn thing had the most energetic ejection of any rifle I've ever stood next to. Brutal! We finally had to stop the range and nail a chunk of carpet next to his position, since we couldn't put him on the end of the line (cooking area was at that end). He was still flinging the occasional case over the top of the carpet and pelting the guy five tables over. The fun of milsurp shooting days!
I was Navy Air and we were flying out of the Spanish Air field Palma. After a few drinks we headed back to the plane to get our bags. A Grumman"C1A" There was a guard on duty so I said to my friend "Do you think we should talk to the guard? He says "Oh the dumb ass won't speek english, at that time he slapped the folding stock on a sub submachine gun in place. We went over and talked to that nice young man. LOL!
Most Spaniards could actually keep a conversation with you without many problems, specially soldiers, they require a B2 level of english (maybe C1, I don't remember correctly) just to request toget into the army
@@staringgasmask no way its c1. that's ability to read academic papers and such and it is fair to say that many native speakers wouldn't qualify
@@fish3977 How many US soldiers have a C1 level of English?
@@fish3977 oh well, then it must be B2, I said I didn't remember
Caution! Many spaniards can speak, read and listen un english, not fine, but they can, but, they dont do It, because they feel shame for do It in a not correctly way, or they do It well done or they prefer quiet.
It is "sport" because it gives an enemy a fair chance to survive and shoot back, because you can't.
Maybe it is ment to shot pistol style?
Rambo-style, with stock under the shoulder and full auto
All the joy of shooting a Chauchat combined with a folding stock that is the equivalent to the Chauchat’s bipod. It’s better than not having it but that is a fairly low bar.
I don't know about the B model, but the C model is far more reliable than the Chauchat.
The new CETME stock. A black eye every time!
As you were explaining the stock, I was typing a question about the handgaurd. It's what caught my attention. Before I was done typing...you mentioned it. Nicely done, thorough overview as always.👍
I have never seen such stock in a CETME either in publications or in real life. When I was a kid there were a Mechanized Infantry regiment and a Legion detachment stationed her, the paratroop brigade is relatively close and I only saw standard wooden stock rifles and some with (very few) B handguards. Great find!
The designers were thinking whatever the Spanish is for, "Close enough for government work."
Either that or "you're not going to like the results of your request"
@@ScottKenny1978 No te va a gustar los resultados de lo que pediste.
@@fan9775 thanks!
I like the idea of a top folder, it allows a magazine to be loaded without interfering with the stock unfolding, I do wonder why it was never considered on other guns
it's on a couple, the Vz. 61, MAC-10, PP-19 Bizon, SPAS 12 to name a few.
I saw years ago, a photo of an Dutch Soldier in New Guinea dated back to 1961, with in his hands an Cetme rifle with folding stock he took from an Indonesian insurgent.
They call the rifle the "Deorbiter" or "Black Eye"
The name is probably in Spanish too.
@Graham lol
@Graham Not even close pal
It's called the mierda rifle
@Graham Hey if you feel like I was being critic I think you have trouble understanding others in ur own lenguage, idk, maybe you are just el tuerce botas
Loving the camera work@ thanks
Some of us Spaniards have hard faces.
Creo que caradura no se escribe así en inglés jajajaja
It's designed to be buffered by MANLY BEARDS.
@@staringgasmask Duele mas que una G3...? Un arcabuz del sigloXX...
Un poco de goma, guata, o plastico fino hubiera sido un detalle apreciado.. si eres paracaidista...
Scareface choice
@@staringgasmask El juego de palabras lo he hecho yo, para mis españoles que sepan inglés. From lost to the river compay
The Cetme build video is still one of my favorites.
Funky green rectangle at 3:53
The 7.62 CETME reminds me of the 9mm Gilecenti pistol cartridge that the Italians adopted around WWI.
looks badass, no matter how bad it works
Very awesome find Ian! I've always loved the ceteme rifles. Just kinda different when everyone else goes for the G3.
As a veteran Spaniard paratrooper, I can assure that this thing never saw service. Spanish BRIPAC jumps with standar CETME B and C with wooden stocks.
I think the length of pull is off because the designer takes into account the thickness from the padded parachute straps. So it is basically the same idea you use the first two settings on your AR when wearing a vest.
It's interesting that although the Cetme/G3 basic design lends itself better to develope folding/collapsable stock (because the recoil spring on the original design was not located inside the buttstock) still the folding/collapsable versions of Cetme/G3 were developed about the same time as such versions of the FN FAL although it needed more redesign because the recoil spring of the FAL was located in the buttstock on the original design.
A novel design that earned it the nickname 'El Muerte de Dientes'
First time I ever seen one. Thanks Ian!
Never saw a single BRIPAC (Spanish Airborne Brigade) trooper carry one of those. Not a single one. They always jumped with full-sized CETME. Mind you that I was an Air Traffic Controller stationed at the US Air Base from which the lads would embark on their transports, and lived just 3 blocks from their Brigade's former base in Alcala de Henares.
Thank you , Ian .
Now there is an idea for a video game... A rifle that deals minor damage every time you fire it (and still has no real advantages)
I love the cetme but this gets a 10/10 "what the hell man"
+1 movement speed
-1 HP per shots fired
first glance: neat black folding stock rifle
sighting demonstration: just a big ol' *gunmetal nope*
I wonder why Larry Vickers is selling part of is gun collection.
Maybe to buy more guns?
He has periodically sold stuff in the past I'm guessing even Larry Vickers wife only allows so muuch room for him to collect guns
Maybe he shot the gun and realized how awful it is.
I'm betting that he likes to change things up. Maybe he wants others to enjoy the ones he isn't as interested in. I do the same thing.
His cheek hurts I'm assuming
I fractured an orbital and needed stiches shooting an old break action hammer fired shotgun at like 9 years old... My dad wasn't the safest ... anyway I'd like the standard length of pull.
Gotta love it. First gun I ever shot was a mosin 91/30 at 9 or so
Had a similar experience, fired a shotgun with a stock that was too short so i essentially punched myself in the face with the power of a 12 gauge.
@@mrfancypanzer549 futurama fan as well I see.
@@the_borax_kid2233 Indeed, probably my favorite tv show.
@@the_borax_kid2233 I have my wife listening to 1984 on audiobook. I hope next time she sees this Futarama gag, she gets it:
ruclips.net/video/xncmm-KAWGo/видео.html
I can't wait to see this stock on one of those too-short PTR "pistols" on InRange.
I would own it LITERALLY becs Larry Vickers owned it. That man knows not just from history, but from wisdom of a hard life lived.
I am used to top-folding stocks on a shotgun like the SPAS-12 and older Remington Model 870 mainly but on a rifle it is a rare site. The only other nation I know to use top-folding stocks wide spread is the DPRK (North Korea) who uses top-folders on their Type 88 (AK-74), Type 64 (RPK) and the Type 98 (AKS-74U). I think the DPRK came out with the top-folding stocks in the 2000's from what I was able to find on research which is hard to find alone as it is the DPRK.
this would be an excellent place to go and read the TFB article on the development and adoption of the Spuhr stock for rifles of this pattern very interesting story IMHO.
Paratroopers in Spain, readily identified by the bruises on their cheeks
I never thought something from my country would be consider as 'exotic'
Smashing you face with the backend of the receiver is just encouragement to solidly seat the stock on your shoulder.
That why it's call the black eye gun. Thank Ian to show us why
Great Job Ian
I love my C308. Definitely an underrated rifle.
Seems like LAV could open his own gun museum 👍
Designed by bureaucrats, committee approved.
That stock makes my VZ folder look comfortable.
Seems like a wonderful way to break a cheekbone
I can't decide if this belongs in the "Thanks, I hate it" category, or the "blurrsed" category.
For anyone that has never slung a g3, I had an airsoft full metal and plastic model and I used a 3 point sling on it and it reached from my shoulder to my knees and I am 6'3". I wouldn't mind having this stock but my airsoft gun was an aeg so it had no recoil.
Spanish Paratroops, so hardcore they didnt even bother with parachutes
I LOVE THAT REAR SIGHT APERTURE!!
3:06 It has scope mounts, but the folding stock would be completely unusable if anything was ever mounted to them.
The scope mount was an standard issue on the CETME Sport, while the folding stock was completely interchangeable with the standard wooden stock.
Maybe somebody at CETME decided to get rid of the crappy preproduction folding stocks by attaching them to Sports intended for the civilian market.
I have the same problem with standard G3/HK91. The hump hits your cheek bone with proper sight picture.
Haha you know it's awesome when you start the video then pause to get your dinner and the overhearing wife completes Ian's introduction from the pause. Yes that just happened!
Its missing (for obvious reasons) the G3's practical two "holes" at the back of the butstock for holding the pins. Also the G3 has an actual captive recoil spring.
The actual CETMEs have them, this is some weird crap that a random soldier did in his free time, or at least it looks like that. Hell, the CETME is the G3, it came before, the holes are a CETME design before an HK one
@@staringgasmask that though struck me 2 seconds after I posted...😎
Spanish designers: We have a new folding stock, but it doesn't accommodate optics.
Spanish military: That's okay. At least there won't be anymore "scope eye."
Designer: Well...
It looks like the stock folds and sits between the top scope mounts. If that's correct, then you can't even try to solve the cheek placement issue with an optic if you want to utilize the folding stock (which is the reason you have poor cheek placement...)
I never seen one of those, give the CETME a really weird look, like a CETME B from outter space or something; wouldn't want to shoot it do, that must leave a good print on the face.
The only infantry rifle that can do an Orbital Strike
If this model had gone into actual general use it would not have taken wery long before it would have been nicknamed something like the `cheek crusher`.
My shoulder hurts just looking at it.
>has a perfectly good groove for a telescoping stock
>slaps on a top folder that is basically impossible to aim with anyways
*spanish moment*
"And I can very clearly see why this didn't go into extended service." Yep, Spanish modern weaponry right there.
you ever see something and its so bad that you just start to grin like an idiot? I looked at the short stock and thought well so sorry for all those with their high cheekbones.
This should have been in action movies. It just looks the part.
Frist: repeat after me: Modelo mil novecientos cincuenta y ocho. Second: in a job interview for CETME -Are you a specialist in mechanics? - Yes I am - Metallurgy knowledge? - Yes I do - Ergonomics knowledge? - None. - Ok, hired !! Best regards from Argentina. En una entrevista laboral para CETME -Es usted especialista en mecánica? - Si lo soy - Conocimientos de metalurgia? - Si los tengo - ¿Conocimientos de ergonomía? - Ninguno. - Ok, contratado!! Saludos desde Argentina
Just bought a cetme c , 307 tho. , new out of box 500 euros ... and just sourced a folding stock will play next week .....
This looks like it's use case is just as small as the stock.
That looks like a good Star Wars rifle.
Ah, the famous CETME BFYTW ("Because Fuck You, That's Why").
Woo more cetmes
The facesmasher would be a feature I would design. I wonder at what point they knew they had a problem.
Hey Brother can't stay long.....but So Much Love to You. GOD BLESS.
Almost like the front of the weapon was designed by someone who knew what they were doing (brilliant bipod) as for the back half I have no idea what happened there.
The back half by Jorge after a weekend bender.
"You'll poke your eye out!"
No need for Scotty Farkas to beat you up, this gun will do it instead...
Para Pirates.
Shooting that would cut your face. Imagine walking into your office the next day and your boss or coworkers ask you about the nasty cut and a black eye.
7.62 CETME is not a lower pressure cartridge! It's a lower recoiling cartridge. It uses flake powder with a very light bullet instead of a heavy bullet with extruded powder like 7.62NATO. It's basically pistol powder in it's case and as such the pressure is almost identical. The Spanish FR7/8 manual lists the pressures as 3,300 kg per square centimeter for the CETME cartridge and 3,500 kg per square centimeter for the NATO one. That's 47,000 and 50,000 PSI. Not a whole lot of difference! Santa Barbara arsenal, who made the cartridges lists both calibers as 3,500 kg per square centimeter.
And no, the Spanish Mausers were always intended to fire 7.62 NATO. 7.62 CETME was designed for controlling full auto fire.
Seems like Mr. Vickers is dumping some of his old collectible guns. 5:25
the folding buttstock reminds me of the MP40 folding buttstock (except that it folded downwards)
The standard telescopic while looking cool are a fucking hammer in the teeth !
Top folding stock with a scope mount... I wonder why this didn't become a standard set up
The collapsible stock is really the only practical alternative for a G3 type rifle. And even that has issues since some jackass thought a reverse curve on it was a good idea.
Worth a lot more than my Century Arms CETME C rifle.
Would be a nice addition to PTR 32 with AK mags and wooden furniture.
The CETME Mars import is worth a bunch today, so if you stick a folding stock on there, that is just chutzpah.