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yeah this reminds me of OG Everquest, was revolutionary at the time. Having to consider the enemy strength to make sure you can handle it then dying and losing exp and your body with your loot. That got old after a while, often needing to enlist a strong player to drag your body back to you and paying them a tip for service. etc. Also, kudos on maintaining the healthy living outside of gaming.
As a backer everything you said is entirely fair. Its got its hooks in me and after 20 hours im finally lvl 10 and have my tank stance. I am the target audence and it hit 100%
Other than oldschool MMO nostalgia I really don't get people accepting such cheap and ugly looking games especially after the amount of funding it got Surely at some point you gotta have some standards and expect more from a game with the amount of funds and resources Pantheon had... Right
I have over 40 hours in the game so far, and loving it overall. This is giving me the feels of wonder i had when i first played EQ back in 2000. Great welcoming community, and overall the game play I expected. Its combat is better than old EQ, but I find it satisfying enough on my Enchanter. The fact you need the support and crowd control classes make this feel like those old skool mmos where you really had to work for levels. Maybe because I played the old EQ, the xp loss + corpse run doesnt bother me as much, and at least you keep your gear, and it is not a naked corpse run of shame.
Not true, games are boring because they are boring dev do not try to add anything interesting and just copy paste each other. This game will not survive cause it look booring, is super tedious and it lacks the chalenge they simply copied old mmo put a new name on it and said look a new game.
I'm 62 hours in and my biggest complaint is it's starting to interfere with my personal life like work and family... AKA it's my high school days all over again when I was playing EQ and WoW instead of doing homework 😂. Although this is only the next stage of Pantheon's development (that they're calling "Early Access"), I'm excited for the future considering how much flipping fun I'm having. The world feels alive and the community is super helpful. I think even new comers that don't come with a preconceived expectation would have a blast, regardless of their MMO background. One thing to note is this is an MMORPG and not your traditional MMO... there's a difference when you add the RPG element back in.
@TheSirtempest yep exactly lol I've got 3 kids and a busy IT work schedule. Definitely had to do some late night sessions to get any time in. As for patience, again, I've got 3 kids so I don't have an issue with that. What's wild is according to my Steam "year in review", this is the only game in my library Ive played for more than 5 hours this whole year... But the net of it is this.. after a long day it feels real good to login and grind out some XP and loot. Takes me back to a simpler time
This game is basically a modern take on EverQuest 1. For me its pretty nostalgic because EQ1 was my first MMO, but as you can see from the dying mechanic I would not want to repeat it again. I was spoiled by WoW. Players cannot loot your body until you give them permission. Corpse runs were fairly big deals in EQ. You had to gather a party and clear out the area to drag the body to an area where you could safely loot. There were PvP servers like Tallon Zek and Vallon Zek if I can remember properly (spelling is probably off) and you could loot one piece of armor and take their money but you didnt lose your bags or what were in them. So people loved to gank you and steal your chest armor. There was a time I had a friend fall into the pit trap at Blackburrow Den (after I told him to stay AWAY from the tree with the pit trap) and I had to rescue him. There were groups of people farming various levels of the dungeon so it was clear enough to make my way to his body. So I grabbed all his stuff and got aggroed at the last second. Ran all the way through the dungeon trying to find my way out, Indiana Jones style. One day I went back with a high level character to see just what happened and I had managed to pull the entire zone. I had made all the wrong choices on how to get out and I even pulled the main boss. It was the biggest train to zone ever and everyone in the zone died. I had to log off for the day because the hate messages wouldn't stop lol. BUT... I had successful rescued my friend who I gave a quick scolding to. These games had a unique charm to them though. I liked the lighting system, requiring a light source. It was cool to play like an assassin and see people running through the woods at night and try to sneak up on them and gank them hehe. The game also had a language system and you could learn various languages on your character. For instance I made a troll shadowknight (my favorite) and my friend made a human mage. While it took FOREVER to learn human common because of my characters low intelligence, my friends mage learned trollispeak in like 10 minutes because of his characters high intelligence. You just spammed messages in a tell to each other and as your skill leveled up more and more characters would be translated to english. One day my friend was playing without me and came across a group of trolls playing together. They started talking inn troll speak about how they were going to eat his character. He then started up a spell so his hands glowed and said in trollspeak I don't think you are going to be eating me today. They loved it so much they let him join the party. You get so many cool moments like that in these types of games but oh my lord they can get tedious and one mistake can cause a mass corpse run that takes the rest of the day. It is something to experience at least once but I prefer my retail WoW. I guess i'm old like that. I like my conveniences. I proved my uber pve and pvp skills a long time ago and would rather just enjoy pretty graphics and animations with a story tied to it than anything else these days.
I was wondering if that's a thing when I just watched the video. The thing is, nobody would know except they played EQ like us. So they should atleast display a tip when you died first.
A few things... First, there are weapon and armor vendors. You were talking to the tradeskill vendors. They're not the same thing. Second, the games death system rewards careful decision-making and punishes risk-taking that goes awry. It also adds value to grouping. Which the camp you were trying to harvest that node from is a small group grind spot. Also, cleric/shaman res will not only prevent you from needing to run. It also restores half of your lost xp. Necromancers later gain an ability to literally summon your corpse from anywhere other than if it's underwater. That also restores some of your lost xp. The death mechanics add value to those classes non-dps/heal functionality. The dangers also make classes like Monk, who are designed for pulling mobs for groups. And Enchanters who are designed around crowd control. Very desirable for groups to safely pull and clear mobs without dying. Third, the game is in a rough state because of Unity. When Unity's CEO pulled their licensing change bullshit almost three years ago. The developers had to pull the game from that engine to avoid going bankrupt. As they'd have to pay for every person that installed the game. What you see is what a small developer on already exhausted kickstarter funds. Was able to develop using a scratch-made engine and no premade assets in only two years time. It's rough. But I dare anyone to try and do better with their team, budget, and time frame. None of this is to say the game is amazing and will be a great success. But it does mean this game is NOT for everyone. And deserves at least an opportunity to achieve something. As it's a unique game in an industry that has gotten far too casual and mind-numbingly easy.
That's the way it was back in the old-school days of EQ (1999). People worked together as inter-dependency was a YUGE factor. I can also recall the people from Halas, the starting city for Barbarians, they'd come ALL the way over to my continent to play, then die, and they'd have a 45 minute travel time because they didn't bind in our city. Binding was another thing that you'd have to get from another player (if you could find a caster high enough to bind or willing to do so). Back in the day there was a lot of risk/reward and the risk could be painful.
22:40 when you flee from a mob, sprint to create some distance but NEVER let the stamina bar hit complete 0. If you do youll get an "exhausted" debuff which is why they kept catching you. Sprint until stamina is low, stop sprinting to allow the bar to refill, and sprint and repeat. The mob will eventually leash and you will escape most low level mobs unless you get rooted or nuked by a caster. PS regarding death: when you get your corpse, target your body and type /corpse so you can drag your corpse out of harms way. As long as you get your corpse, none of your loot will ever disappear.
The game is still in alpha, Masteries was temporarily shut off for further development, another player can drag your corpse to help you, there will be a static map later but no gps, this game is very EQ-centric, as much as you were mad at dying it still seems that you were having fun, if you want a quest you need to talk to npc's, there are no quest visuals, if you're in trouble run towards a guard and they will kill it. I would love to know what server you are on and I could help you. I'm a Dwarf Shaman. Cheers mate!
@@Trippin710okay, i see u got a Personal hate against this game since u need to hate on it in SEVERAL comments. Its just sad now, hope u get better soon
you can know the lvl of a mob via the consider system. Yes, most people wont enjoy this game. Everyone has adhd, and cant go without 2mins without clicky and scrolling imo.
his video isnt what id call a good review of the game, 5 hours played, no group play and apparently didnt pay attention to the tutorial tips when the popped up, its still in development but what they have going now is pretty good.
@nickrn2432 yeah not for the price tag bud. Understandable it's still early access but what was displayed to be on offer is obviously a very incomplete game with years of development left to be appealing to probably about 50% of the RPG community.
Old School RPG for the Gen X crowd like me. Running back to the corpse is a big part of the appeal to me. It really adds an element of excitement when fighting. You can lose your gear, XP and Levels. It's super challenging which is what made the OG games levels more difficult but rewarding. This game definitely will not be for everyone I suspect the 40-55+ gamers will really like it the most.
There are no groups in eq and most of the old (good) content is completely empty your only real option is to play in fan servers and they aren't much better
Coming from a person that loves everquest and wants pantheon to succeed. The design of the game isnt for the current MMORPG players. It aims itself at the older gamers. It wont have a large player base and it will be very hard to draw new players into this more hardcore type of MMORPG
Peon! THANK YOU for playing this :) I've been waiting a very long time for the game to come out. I strongly suggest reading the classes because they each bring a very unique aspect to the game (rogues can climb more for instance). i'd love to see you play more, even a play through! would watch in lieu of going to work lol
Quests you never played EverQuest. All the things you find surprising are basic EverQuest setup. Damn I am old 🤣🤣🤣. Oh and Mob trains are not bad design, it’s a feature 😝.
As an original EQ player from March of 1999, it was amusing to watch someone experience what we went through in the classic MMO mode. When WOW came out a lot of game mechanics changed as a result of players not liking the harsh death systems, lack of in-game maps, quest and non-hand holding. Pantheon, for all intent and purpose, is designed to recreate that old school feeling. Your impressions were fair and understandable, considering the day an age we're in with game mechanics and graphics. A close friend of mine is still playing EQ. Amazing to think it's been 25 years.
launching a game for such a tiny niche audience seems like a bad business decision. I think that is somewhat appealing. Sort of a game for a specific group of people instead of profit margins.(guessing they do want to make money, but that can’t be the main goal.)
Many said the same thing about Baldur's Gate 3. I don't expect this to be as successful but the potential player base could be much bigger than you realize.
You think leaving the items in your pockets on your corpse is bad, in EQ1 you also left your armor and weapons on your corpse, so this is considered tame. In EQ1 you also lost a lot more experience when you died. You can drag your corpse to you by targeting it and typing /corpse or /dragcorpse. There's a list of typable commands you can use by typing /help
@@JoshuaJayMusic yes, they struggled with the original assets as they were all unity owned. Unity a couple years back tried to do some shifty stuff to games using their assets so Pantheon had to pivot. Most of the games current state was actually dont in the last 2 years since they had to start from basically scratch. The current art style was a strategic decision to help speed along development as its easier to create simple looking in-house assets and models for. The target audience has been playing everquest for 25 years so they aren't too concerned with visuals. They have confirmed graphics, lighting and animation will all improve over time. I still play classic everquest which look like jagged polygons from the n64 era, so to ke the game is 10x better than that.
The game is actually extremely fun for what it is. I'm 20h in and having a blast. Amazing game to play with a friend. Has a real true sense of progression
EQ was my first MMO and this definitely has EQ vibes. The corpse run/lose XP/lose a level thing is very much classic EQ, and part of the reason that my cleric alt got her click stick. Those of us in our MMO group that still play MMOs discussed giving it a try, but it doesn't really look like there's any reason to bother when you can just go back and play EQ right now.
It depends upon wanting to relive EQ or wanting a new game with similar playstyle. For those who have spent a few years playing on classic EQ servers this could release at the perfect moment
You hit the nail on the head. Besides this isn't at all what the game was suppose to look like, and meant to have MANY more "environmental mechanics" that will not be added. This is just a sad attempt to get the game out, to meet the commitments of the "pledges" and possibly NOT get sued.....
Kind of surprised that there's not a lot more people playing this game on steam. Perhaps they are thinking like me it's early access and I want to play a complete game.
@@omegand. ????? There's 22 servers, 2 of which are EU and 1 OCE and Shards of existing servers that can automatically spool up when servers fill. Most servers are High population servers and some have multiple shards. Speak more about something you apparently know nothing about.
Or perhaps they are thinking, like me, that I'm not into 15 minute corpse runs or getting pegged, when represented on a ven diagram those people are one circle
Death is something you fear, unlike pretty much every other game, where it doesn't really matter that much. It means you have to think before you do something. You have to plan, because if you don't respect the mobs, they will kill you. If you know where the zone line is, you can run your train to the zone line, and cross over, which you'll lose aggro. Death can be a Pita, but I've had great experiences in the process of going after my corpse as well. Because I've made friends that helped me while doing it. Also, not sure if Pantheon has this or not, but EQ did. You can use /corpse, and drag your corpse. Usually, you can Activate it a small distance from your corpse, which will basically summon your corpse to you. So you can do it, outside the aggro range of a mob, or you can make a macro with /corpse on it, and just run by, spamming it, and just keep dragging your corpse, till you get some place save. Corpse runs can be a pita, but I'm glad to see Pantheon is doing it. If you don't respect death, or the mobs, then it really makes fighting mobs boring. Having Consequences for your actions, is very important.
@@DMM_Fan Those players aren't the one's you want for that game anyway. This isn't a game for just casual players, that need everything put on a silver platter.
Craig, our hero taking another one for the team, Craig you got f'ed 4 times because you lost experience twice on top of losing items and a death run. Lose loot, experience and levels on death, just what we all wanted the ability to play a game and make negative progress after playing for hours.
Yes, it's called player vs environment (PVE), and requires you to not mindlessly run around killing mobs without a thought in your mind. Now there's consequences to death, which makes you a bit more weary about running through a zone or going into a new area to fight. Some of us enjoy that. If you rather collect 25 quests, stare at a minimap while running from waypoint to waypoint then yea, this game wont be for you.
u obv could never handle a true mmorpg like back in the day. It makes me laugh because the punishment was worse in the classic games and people can't deal with logical game mechanics.
Considering the few hundred thousand people playing HARDCORE WoW. Where dying means your character is just done unless you transfer it. There's clearly an audience that wants their games to have a sense of risk vs reward. He was in an area designed for small groups to grind mob spawns. He got greedy and paid the price. That's a lesson you have to learn in this game. Also, if he had a shaman or cleric. They could have ressed him. Which not only prevent the run back. But also helps restore some of the lost xp. At higher levels, Necromancers can literally summon your corpse for you that also restores some of the lost xp. The death system adds weight and meaning to your choices. It also creates a demand for certain classes. Giving more purpose than simply "do damage, heal damage, tank damage." This game does have its issues. It's in an alpha state. But the death system isn't one of those issues. This isn't the game for you. That's okay. But don't try to spin that as a negative for everyone. This is a selling point for some.
I was very exicted for this game during the early years of development, it was being made by Brad McQuaid, the designer for EverQuest, but he sadly passed away 5 years ago and development slowee tremendously.
Brad is rolling in his grave, Dead as pantheon will be when the honeymoon phase wears off and people realize just how shit this game is, It’s genuinely bad and nostalgia lies, People are desperate to look past it apparently
@@Trippin710you're a broken record in these comments. How sad your life must be to waste so much time trying to convince others to be as angry as you.
The game was being made in Unity and was nearing early release state a few years ago. When Unity pulled their greedy bullshit. The devs had to jump ship and start almost from scratch two years ago. What you're seeing is essentially an mmo made in a little over two years by a small developer. It's rough, it's incomplete, and has a long road ahead still. But much of that rests on the head of Unity's greed a few years ago. The licensing changes would have bankrupt and shuttered the developers if they released using Unity.
This game has the art style of shroud of the avatar. Thats not good....not good. Also, people who call things like a 10 minute corpse run a fun, nostalgic mechanic, 100% are into getting pegged
I'm guessing you prefer pay to win games where forming a group with other players is rare. Why hate on people that enjoy challenging games designed to be played with others?
@pheralanpathfinder4897 what's challenging about a 10 minute death run? The loss of xp is the real penalty in game. Wasting your time irl is a bad penalty for immersion imo
It’s the worst mmo to come out in years, And it expected to be better than the typical shit 😂 they failed horrendously, It’s inexcusably bad, Playing this game was one of the worst experiences i’ve had
@@Trippin710 Lmfao, i played it in beta when it was first released. My computer could barely handle it, as it was a graphically intensive game during the time. Lol.
i havent given this game much thought over the course of its development, seeing this makes me a bit interested in seeing the final product. keep at it devs. imagine the graphics being so dated are on purpose to give that old school MMO feel. i havent looked at the puter requirements but by the looks of it, it can run on a potato which of course opens it up to a far larger audience than the amazing graphics games that consistently let us down in other ways.
The devs had to start almost from scratch two years ago. When Unity (the engine they were using) got greedy with their license change fiasco. Releasing an mmorpg on their engine with their proposed changes would bankrupt the developers. They made the decision to develop their own engine and start from scratch. What you're seeing is a small developer make a new engine and mmo in roughly two years. Yeah, it's rough. But the alternative was to never release the game on account of what Unity was doing to their license.
Over a year and a half ago you also had a Watcher of Realms ad. Thats how I found out about that game and Ive been playing it ever since. They sometimes do questionnaires and ask how you found out about the game and I always credit you. Cool to see another ad from that game!
Omg this is a lot like Everquest. I want to play but I'll wait till it comes out. The reason why EQ was good was you struggle together. The game was sometimes not easy, it forced you to more or less always team up. When you died in EQ your body had everything on it. Asking for help was normal and other players most of the time did help you. I remember dying in lower guk once in classic EQ as a warrior and it was painful to get my body back. So I asked others for help and they showed up to support because they know how hard doing a corpse run can be. It really is a good game it is just people today cant put in the time to see and experience it and they just brush it off as being bad.
Sadly the market for pay to win games that provide very limited opportunities to interact with other players have dominated the market. Hopefully enough people will embrace this game to encourage more like it or at least regular expansions. The punishment of death makes for a much more intense experience.
Great and fair video! Things you dislike - Most of them will improve with time except running back to corpse and probably the npc chase, but the length of the chase is individual though, and depending on what mob it is. I have been playing ~1 year now and i must say the amount of work VR have done under 2024 is very impressive, can't wait to see what they will implement and polish under 2025. Pantheon rise of the Fallen is my new home when it comes to MMOrpg. An advise - Try to find a group and do a run into the Goblincave at lvl ~5-8, that was my first group dungeon in Pantheon, and i loved it - It felt dangerous and rewarding, and kept me on my toes all time ..Observe, this is not a game for those that crave handholding in everything they do, one actually have to figure things out in Pantheon with friends or by oneself.
Who does this game exactly serve to? Dads and boomers who only get to play 1-2 hours a day wont make any progress in this game at all due to tedious and time consuming design practices. This game rewards hardcore unemployed nerds who can spend 10+ hours a day playing video games, and even then it might be too "hardcore" for some hardcore players. This doesnt appeal to anybody, its dead on arrival.
@Mosleso exactly, I mean not even that, I am old enough to be close to boomer category and not even I would play it, I mean it was great when there was no mmos in the market but nowadays? lol it's just crazy haha
@MoslesoI played the original EQ while working a full time job and taking some classes for a career adjustment. I still had time to spend with my girlfriend who introduced me to EQ. Even if they launch one expansion every six months you don't need to play 10 hours a day to make maximum level.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 same and then played eq2 , but why would I want to play with graphics from 300 years ago like I did before lol and also no map "hardcore" pfff ppl want to have fun not using getting lost as an "immersion" tactic
You ppl and your nostalgia for obnoxious and tedious mechanics that serve only to waste your time is nauseating at this point. How many games with this mechanic have to fail in the current market till you realize your nostalgia is why the games you want never succeed. Also, it doesn't even make sense. It's not like a corpse run is more realistic. I don't recall anyone i knew coming back to life after a 5k spirit run. If you want hardcore then a hardcore game mode makes sense and adds immersion. Long corpse runs are simply lazy development and people like you allow those lazy developers to spin it as "old school" or "classic". Gimme an actual break man.
@Thee-_-Outlier I needed an actual break from that word vomit you spewed. Who gives a shit about what other people choose to play? It's creepy and weird to be so hyperfocused on something that doesn't affect you in the least. Take your head out of the ass of others and play something that suits you, ffs. If it fails, it fails.
Played Pantheon for 30 minutes last night and immediately refunded it. This game is designed to "Slow Roll and Barely Entertain You" just long enough for the 2hr Steam refund window to expire. That's it.
I’ve been playing the game and it’s actually a lot of fun. It’s all about being in a group and enjoying it together. I’ve never really played with any groups since EQ or made any actual friendships until this game.
Yea for real. I didn't look at the price yet. I was maybe gonna try it if it was free lolol. $30? Hard pass. Much rather pay for poe2 early access or spend a bit more and get in on ashes alpha testing, albeit that pricing model is unfair also, but ashes looks way better than this
Yeah and its not even finished. Used to be games would let you their testing for free now they want to charge you full price to bug test it for them ......crazy.
It's a group oriented game, so if that aint your style, probably gonna have a bad time; thus some of those negatives push you to do so. Like the crafting system it seems, pushed you to make gear when initially you didn't want to, you'll have to invest in it.
I believe the reason mobs run faster now is because of kiting. Used to a weak player could kill a boss while holding it's loot lock and doing all of 5 damage for hours while staying just out of range. But I agree it's BS. It should just be a dmg per hit check to see if the player is capable
The chokehold this game has on me. Its exactly what I've been looking for since Everquest scars of velious. Once luclin came around it added too many QoL that hurt the hardcore nature of the game, which was a slippery slope that lead to more things leaving eq unrecognizable. Pantheon is a return to form ive been craving jumping from mmo to mmo looking for the eq experience. Ive leveled every class to level 5 so far and a shaman and monk to level 10. I know the general audience is going to hate this game and thats fine. Not every game needs to be made for everybody. hell if eq can survive for 25 years with a niche audience, I think pantheon has the potential to do the same.
Good coverage, keep in mind that Visionary Realms is treating this as a proper early access game on Steam and it's currently in the equivalent of an Alpha state. Improvement to systems and graphics will be happening throughout 2025.
When Ultima Online launched, i attacked a neutral panther near a city. The thing took three fourths of my health in one shot, then followed me for fifteen screens before killing me. I also recall an area in the wild where a fireball got thrown at me and one shot me. It was an off-screen air elemental. I learned to avoid that area. Ultima Online was also full loot by anyone, including players. I had a lot of fun as a blacksmith/mage, gathering resources with enough combat skills and knowledge of patterns to avoid pkers.
The Pantheon that we have now is an empty shell of what the game was supposed to be. They've all be removed now, but if you saw any of the original game-play videos way back before the passing of the Founder of the studio, what they released is sort of sad.
I have been saying this for a couple of years now, since Brad passed away. They just went the route of "We need to finish it for the agreements/commitments, so we don't get sued" .... I am a HUGE EQ fan I played the first one and I loved the second one.... and all they did was use literally updated graphics for the first one, and added a couple of things form the second one. I have had so many "fanboys" of a game that isn't even out yet, and has two predecessors that are FAR better than this, especially that it has taken TEN years for this ... I bought 2 Black Rose packages.... and I am sad I did ( 500$ each) .... this was NOT what I essentially paid for. I understand it was a "pledge" and at that point in time, it was "subject to change" , 100% understood that. HOWEVER - This was NOT what Brad was going for at all .... not by any means. Project Gorgon is far superior to this honestly. And I am actually glad he mentioned that game, just a little bit. If you want to play this game, you should literally just go play EQ1 or EQ2 ... at least they are still alive, fleshed out, and exactly what this is- *but better* .... the fact we are literally getting EQ1 *ten* years later , and it is 2024.... astounds me at how incompetent the developments team just literally gave up, and just want to move on. They should have just shut down, and let it die. It's insane, that it took them 10 years, to make a reskinned EQ1 ... I know there is more to it than that, but still ... I am so glad to see almost everyone agree with this in the comment section. Because everywhere else, it's just fan boys going "nuh uh, this is what it was supposed to be" *NO IT IS NOT*
Been pledged to this game for a long time. It’s come so far in just a short 2 years. I can’t wait to see what the game looks like in a year or two. The devs have been killing it lately
Holy shit that takes me back. Do you realize the "consider" command goes all the way back to text-based online multiplayer dungeons? (Also known as MUDs)
I tried it for 90mins and refunded it. Seems to have potential for fans of old school MMOs, however it feels like it’s in such an unpolished state. I personally don’t think a game like this should have a $40 Early Access tag on Steam
that guy that buffed you, and gave you a weapon. Because of the brutal difficulty, These types of games make players like that exist. Because there's such a group focus, people really do look out for each other much more.
The game is absolutely beautiful. It really grows on you but it is aimed towards EQ FFXI players. I will say I wasn't blown away til I entered the second zone. It also, took me a good few hours before I really just fell all in. Things that bothered me at first, felt well put after I few days played. The game however it's far from intuitive.
The game development still clearly has a long way to go, but this game is definitely going to appeal to a niche player base that is nostalgic for original EQ (pre-Daybreak Games). It seems like a lot of features aren't in the game yet, and it'll be pretty cool to see those roll out. Some of the negatives you listed like extreme dark environments and varying NPC nameplates are actually direct takes from the original EQ experience which definitely brought back memories. I haven't played the game for long, but I'm interested to see how the development in EA progresses. It's certainly gotten a way more positive reception than I thought it would.
Imagine my surprise when I see that I was mentioned in the video (Voltar). If you run across Voltar or Voltag and need anything give me a holler. I remember giving you the axe. I can make leather armor as well as leather bags which hold 10. Happy adventuring. Love your content by the way. Old time EQ/Vanguard player
The Ogre/Dark Myr starting area is unironically terrible. It was thrown together in a rush and compacted into a tiny area just for the sake of having a separate starting area for them. The first thing most players do is escape to the human/dwarf starting area to actually enjoy the game. Luckily, they're right next to eachother. The Elf/Halfling starting area is rough because it's brand new, but it's nowhere near as bad as the Ogre/Dark myr area. Unfortunately it's about a half an hour run from Wild's End to Thronefast and that's without deaths. The Ogre models are pretty sweet though, especially in full platemail.
@michaelmorrison5280 That does suck to hear. Hopefully those areas get more attention in the future. The ogre models are rad, and will probably be my first pic
@@lordlittletoeq8537 The problem is the Ogre and Dark Myr are supposed to start on a totally different continent that isn't in the game yet. As such, the starter area for them is 100% temporary and probably won't get developed further. The Halfling and Elf starter already got an update two days ago and is going to be getting more work in the future.
For what they went for game looks awesome the old school effect an all. But honestly i cant go back to play these types of games anymore. I know many people will love this game thats cool.
Honestly, the consequences this game has for dying has me intrigued. I can't stand how games have taken this route that dying isn't even a slight inconvenience anymore, in fact it's often encouraged in games to learn enemy attack patterns and mechanics. Screw that, I like what they've done there.
This isnt its full potential. do some research on pantheons perception system. Its the way it ties in storyline quests and lore into the world. they are trying to hold back as much of the lore as they can but there is some old videos that will explain some things. But once perception comes out in full force exploring is gonna be 10X even better
I feel that I need to clear up some of the criticism here. Number 1: The graphics and the UI, currently in the game, is placeholder and will eventually be replaced. Number 2: There will be a map added to the game, however it's not yet ready. Number 3: You can buy gear in the form of armour and weapons from vendors in the village :P Number 4: The crafting currently in game is in a very early stage and will be improved upon significantly. Remember that this game is currently in a very early alpha stage, so if everything goes as planned for the devs then this game will look very different a year from now. I hope this cleared up some of the negative aspects that you encountered in the game
So the key phrase is "if everything goes according to planned" Which it hasn't at all in 10 years. The graphics won't change. They won't be making enough money to do anything. This release was the last money grab they had left because of the HUGE backlash they got from EVERYONE when they tried to release a Pantheon Battle Royale game to accumulate funds for the real Pantheon.
They should have gone with some other artstyle that would look good but still be shit. This just isnt it, I wanted to try it but the graphics look terrible
Pledge here. Respectfully, I'm struggling to understand who this game is for. Old school mmo lovers can still play those games and those games are better in many ways
He's salty for dieing 15 min away. Protip, didn't do that. Jokes aside, yes it sucks. But you were still playing the game like it was wow/FF. You have to play like the game is hardcore. Death sucks, play more conservative. Play it safe because death matters.
This game is certainly for a very niche audience, but I think the audience is there as long as they keep improving, which they seem to have been doing.
Reasonable review. My only issue is that you don't really spend much time acknowledging that the game is still years from launch, and most of your complaints are about things that are either WIP or 100% placeholder (i.e. the UI). Ongoing issue I see with streamers "reviewing" in-dev projects. Be critical, give your honest opinion, but at least give it the fair shake of emphasizing it hasn't actually launched.
Placeholder till game launches is just an excuse the devs use. Its looked like shit for a long time and the little amount of money they make from charging 40 dollars to about 700 people total isn't going to be enough to change anything.
I don't think he has to. He paid his 40 bucks. The history of the games development isn't in any way necessary most steam users don't care about that or that parts of it are WIP. They paid their 40 bucks and they expect their 40$ worth
This game is very bland and not worth the money. Its trying to be an updated EQ1 but its not quite hitting the mark. After having played for a while i feel the need to warn others. The gameplay loop similar to EQ, but it doesnt have any of the charm. If you're looking to replace P1999 with this, you'll be disappointed. Not everything can be chalked up to "its still in EA". They've been developing this game for a decade. Not entire sure development has a firm idea on what it wants to be. To those seeking the next EQ1-like experience, I'd suggest Monsters & Memories instead.
on a small mmo i offered free help to fix these small things you mentioned like writing errors and typos etc. not only they refused free work force they outright refused to fix those things as well.
This game has light at the end of the tunnel i believe. Insane after 10 years it's only in this state. The older generation like myself who grew up playing FF11, Everquest, etc will enjoy this game. I just hope they speed up the development. If it takes another 5 years i might just pass.
I understand and appreciate the game being old school in mechanics, but damn they must have worked hard to make visuals look this bad in 2024. I guess it will be able to run on a potato at least.
I have been looking for your discord server but all I have found is some expired links, is there anyway for fans to still get into the Peon discord server?
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yeah this reminds me of OG Everquest, was revolutionary at the time. Having to consider the enemy strength to make sure you can handle it then dying and losing exp and your body with your loot. That got old after a while, often needing to enlist a strong player to drag your body back to you and paying them a tip for service. etc.
Also, kudos on maintaining the healthy living outside of gaming.
As a backer everything you said is entirely fair. Its got its hooks in me and after 20 hours im finally lvl 10 and have my tank stance. I am the target audence and it hit 100%
Other than oldschool MMO nostalgia I really don't get people accepting such cheap and ugly looking games especially after the amount of funding it got
Surely at some point you gotta have some standards and expect more from a game with the amount of funds and resources Pantheon had... Right
@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX Cheap and ugly looking? You play battle royales.
lol.
This game is apparently ranked number 43 according to THE CHART
which chart is this?
@@zenfar1892 THE chart
What chart? Are you gonna answer?
@@derekellisCAN I presume this referencing Josh Stryfe Haze's recent video on MMO's where it ranked 43
@@zenfar1892 It's The chart
I have over 40 hours in the game so far, and loving it overall. This is giving me the feels of wonder i had when i first played EQ back in 2000. Great welcoming community, and overall the game play I expected. Its combat is better than old EQ, but I find it satisfying enough on my Enchanter. The fact you need the support and crowd control classes make this feel like those old skool mmos where you really had to work for levels. Maybe because I played the old EQ, the xp loss + corpse run doesnt bother me as much, and at least you keep your gear, and it is not a naked corpse run of shame.
It's very much like old school EQ. Brad and his team did a great job considering all of what they went through and Brad's death in November of 2019.
Same.
honestly looks like more fun than all the piles of hot sh*t that pass for an MMO lately.
this belongs to the pile
I think the games pretty fun dont got to deal with the bs mmos are now
That’s the problem with other mmo’s is when they try to make the game less tedious and easier the people stop playing it cuz they say it’s boring.
Not true, games are boring because they are boring dev do not try to add anything interesting and just copy paste each other. This game will not survive cause it look booring, is super tedious and it lacks the chalenge they simply copied old mmo put a new name on it and said look a new game.
I'm 62 hours in and my biggest complaint is it's starting to interfere with my personal life like work and family... AKA it's my high school days all over again when I was playing EQ and WoW instead of doing homework 😂. Although this is only the next stage of Pantheon's development (that they're calling "Early Access"), I'm excited for the future considering how much flipping fun I'm having. The world feels alive and the community is super helpful. I think even new comers that don't come with a preconceived expectation would have a blast, regardless of their MMO background. One thing to note is this is an MMORPG and not your traditional MMO... there's a difference when you add the RPG element back in.
Haha we got a dev/artist/marketer/shateholder here
@nukkythompson419 lol yeah ok 😂 so me liking a game makes me a dev now
Middle schooler me might have liked it but I don't have that kind of time or patience anymore.
@TheSirtempest yep exactly lol I've got 3 kids and a busy IT work schedule. Definitely had to do some late night sessions to get any time in. As for patience, again, I've got 3 kids so I don't have an issue with that. What's wild is according to my Steam "year in review", this is the only game in my library Ive played for more than 5 hours this whole year... But the net of it is this.. after a long day it feels real good to login and grind out some XP and loot. Takes me back to a simpler time
This game is basically a modern take on EverQuest 1. For me its pretty nostalgic because EQ1 was my first MMO, but as you can see from the dying mechanic I would not want to repeat it again. I was spoiled by WoW. Players cannot loot your body until you give them permission. Corpse runs were fairly big deals in EQ. You had to gather a party and clear out the area to drag the body to an area where you could safely loot. There were PvP servers like Tallon Zek and Vallon Zek if I can remember properly (spelling is probably off) and you could loot one piece of armor and take their money but you didnt lose your bags or what were in them. So people loved to gank you and steal your chest armor. There was a time I had a friend fall into the pit trap at Blackburrow Den (after I told him to stay AWAY from the tree with the pit trap) and I had to rescue him. There were groups of people farming various levels of the dungeon so it was clear enough to make my way to his body.
So I grabbed all his stuff and got aggroed at the last second. Ran all the way through the dungeon trying to find my way out, Indiana Jones style. One day I went back with a high level character to see just what happened and I had managed to pull the entire zone. I had made all the wrong choices on how to get out and I even pulled the main boss. It was the biggest train to zone ever and everyone in the zone died. I had to log off for the day because the hate messages wouldn't stop lol. BUT... I had successful rescued my friend who I gave a quick scolding to.
These games had a unique charm to them though. I liked the lighting system, requiring a light source. It was cool to play like an assassin and see people running through the woods at night and try to sneak up on them and gank them hehe. The game also had a language system and you could learn various languages on your character. For instance I made a troll shadowknight (my favorite) and my friend made a human mage. While it took FOREVER to learn human common because of my characters low intelligence, my friends mage learned trollispeak in like 10 minutes because of his characters high intelligence.
You just spammed messages in a tell to each other and as your skill leveled up more and more characters would be translated to english. One day my friend was playing without me and came across a group of trolls playing together. They started talking inn troll speak about how they were going to eat his character. He then started up a spell so his hands glowed and said in trollspeak I don't think you are going to be eating me today. They loved it so much they let him join the party.
You get so many cool moments like that in these types of games but oh my lord they can get tedious and one mistake can cause a mass corpse run that takes the rest of the day. It is something to experience at least once but I prefer my retail WoW. I guess i'm old like that. I like my conveniences. I proved my uber pve and pvp skills a long time ago and would rather just enjoy pretty graphics and animations with a story tied to it than anything else these days.
If you run close enough you can do
/corpsedrag and it will pull your corpse to you. You don’t have have to be on top of your corpse but close.
Adding to this, you can also have a necromancer player summon your corpse for you.
I was wondering if that's a thing when I just watched the video. The thing is, nobody would know except they played EQ like us. So they should atleast display a tip when you died first.
@ there is a macro video out. Basically the same as EQ
A few things...
First, there are weapon and armor vendors. You were talking to the tradeskill vendors. They're not the same thing.
Second, the games death system rewards careful decision-making and punishes risk-taking that goes awry. It also adds value to grouping. Which the camp you were trying to harvest that node from is a small group grind spot. Also, cleric/shaman res will not only prevent you from needing to run. It also restores half of your lost xp. Necromancers later gain an ability to literally summon your corpse from anywhere other than if it's underwater. That also restores some of your lost xp. The death mechanics add value to those classes non-dps/heal functionality. The dangers also make classes like Monk, who are designed for pulling mobs for groups. And Enchanters who are designed around crowd control. Very desirable for groups to safely pull and clear mobs without dying.
Third, the game is in a rough state because of Unity. When Unity's CEO pulled their licensing change bullshit almost three years ago. The developers had to pull the game from that engine to avoid going bankrupt. As they'd have to pay for every person that installed the game. What you see is what a small developer on already exhausted kickstarter funds. Was able to develop using a scratch-made engine and no premade assets in only two years time. It's rough. But I dare anyone to try and do better with their team, budget, and time frame.
None of this is to say the game is amazing and will be a great success. But it does mean this game is NOT for everyone. And deserves at least an opportunity to achieve something. As it's a unique game in an industry that has gotten far too casual and mind-numbingly easy.
we need more players like Voltar
@@DeathMetal-Dude We are all here and playing
Facts... so far I feel like every other person is looking to help or contribute... Really dope actually
That's the way it was back in the old-school days of EQ (1999). People worked together as inter-dependency was a YUGE factor. I can also recall the people from Halas, the starting city for Barbarians, they'd come ALL the way over to my continent to play, then die, and they'd have a 45 minute travel time because they didn't bind in our city. Binding was another thing that you'd have to get from another player (if you could find a caster high enough to bind or willing to do so). Back in the day there was a lot of risk/reward and the risk could be painful.
22:40 when you flee from a mob, sprint to create some distance but NEVER let the stamina bar hit complete 0. If you do youll get an "exhausted" debuff which is why they kept catching you. Sprint until stamina is low, stop sprinting to allow the bar to refill, and sprint and repeat. The mob will eventually leash and you will escape most low level mobs unless you get rooted or nuked by a caster.
PS regarding death: when you get your corpse, target your body and type /corpse so you can drag your corpse out of harms way. As long as you get your corpse, none of your loot will ever disappear.
14:32 that's what you get for wearing a beetle shell helmet
The game is still in alpha, Masteries was temporarily shut off for further development, another player can drag your corpse to help you, there will be a static map later but no gps, this game is very EQ-centric, as much as you were mad at dying it still seems that you were having fun, if you want a quest you need to talk to npc's, there are no quest visuals, if you're in trouble run towards a guard and they will kill it. I would love to know what server you are on and I could help you. I'm a Dwarf Shaman. Cheers mate!
dude in developments from 2014 stfu man,this is dead mmo on release and also now dead too!
Like EQ this game is designed to be tough and reward players for grouping with others creating stronger social connections between players.
Alpha is an excuse for this bs game, nostalgia is lying, It’s going to be horrendously desperate for funds, inexcusably bad state of content
The pantheon shills are here, the most frustrating group of people I’ve been encountered
@@Trippin710okay, i see u got a Personal hate against this game since u need to hate on it in SEVERAL comments. Its just sad now, hope u get better soon
I have been really enjoying the game. It still needs a lot of work, but it's coming together. Thanks for covering the game and giving it a real shot.
That’ll wear off fast, Only a matter of time before nobody plays this
@@Trippin710 like it was a matter of time till you stopped using brain cells?
@@lazycrate71 I don't think that's a sentence you should particularly feel proud of coming up with
@@Trippin710 How long did you play before it wore off? Just want to see how much time I have left to enjoy the game. Thanks
you can know the lvl of a mob via the consider system. Yes, most people wont enjoy this game. Everyone has adhd, and cant go without 2mins without clicky and scrolling imo.
This game is almost $60 in early access in Australia right now and so far thanks to Peons video i cant justify the price tag this is crazy.
his video isnt what id call a good review of the game, 5 hours played, no group play and apparently didnt pay attention to the tutorial tips when the popped up, its still in development but what they have going now is pretty good.
@nickrn2432 yeah not for the price tag bud. Understandable it's still early access but what was displayed to be on offer is obviously a very incomplete game with years of development left to be appealing to probably about 50% of the RPG community.
Typical peon half baked review
@@MangoxLoco50%? You're generous
@TheSirtempest lol i know right 🤣
Old School RPG for the Gen X crowd like me. Running back to the corpse is a big part of the appeal to me. It really adds an element of excitement when fighting. You can lose your gear, XP and Levels. It's super challenging which is what made the OG games levels more difficult but rewarding. This game definitely will not be for everyone I suspect the 40-55+ gamers will really like it the most.
The old gamers will have heartattacks this games so god damn slow one of them already had one streaming it to back up my point 😅
.....just go play EQ1 or EQ2? They are f2p, and still alive.... don't wait for this ... trust me
There are no groups in eq and most of the old (good) content is completely empty your only real option is to play in fan servers and they aren't much better
I suspect retirees and children will like it the most
Coming from a person that loves everquest and wants pantheon to succeed. The design of the game isnt for the current MMORPG players. It aims itself at the older gamers. It wont have a large player base and it will be very hard to draw new players into this more hardcore type of MMORPG
Peon! THANK YOU for playing this :) I've been waiting a very long time for the game to come out. I strongly suggest reading the classes because they each bring a very unique aspect to the game (rogues can climb more for instance). i'd love to see you play more, even a play through! would watch in lieu of going to work lol
This brings me right back to old school FF XI
The graphics looked better 6 years ago. They seemed to have done a bait and switch with this game for what it was suppose to be.
Quests you never played EverQuest. All the things you find surprising are basic EverQuest setup. Damn I am old 🤣🤣🤣. Oh and Mob trains are not bad design, it’s a feature 😝.
Train hotkey is a must.
As an original EQ player from March of 1999, it was amusing to watch someone experience what we went through in the classic MMO mode. When WOW came out a lot of game mechanics changed as a result of players not liking the harsh death systems, lack of in-game maps, quest and non-hand holding. Pantheon, for all intent and purpose, is designed to recreate that old school feeling. Your impressions were fair and understandable, considering the day an age we're in with game mechanics and graphics. A close friend of mine is still playing EQ. Amazing to think it's been 25 years.
launching a game for such a tiny niche audience seems like a bad business decision. I think that is somewhat appealing. Sort of a game for a specific group of people instead of profit margins.(guessing they do want to make money, but that can’t be the main goal.)
Many said the same thing about Baldur's Gate 3. I don't expect this to be as successful but the potential player base could be much bigger than you realize.
In the original everquest huaksn had very poor night vision, that may be why it was so dark for your character.
You think leaving the items in your pockets on your corpse is bad, in EQ1 you also left your armor and weapons on your corpse, so this is considered tame. In EQ1 you also lost a lot more experience when you died. You can drag your corpse to you by targeting it and typing /corpse or /dragcorpse. There's a list of typable commands you can use by typing /help
Not the entire zone, just the other beetles that are pissed you attacked their homie beetle.
Just remember, this game has been in development for TEN years, and this is what it looks like.
Deplorable state it is in, They had to release it before they ran out of money... lmfao
@@JoshuaJayMusic yes, they struggled with the original assets as they were all unity owned. Unity a couple years back tried to do some shifty stuff to games using their assets so Pantheon had to pivot. Most of the games current state was actually dont in the last 2 years since they had to start from basically scratch. The current art style was a strategic decision to help speed along development as its easier to create simple looking in-house assets and models for. The target audience has been playing everquest for 25 years so they aren't too concerned with visuals. They have confirmed graphics, lighting and animation will all improve over time.
I still play classic everquest which look like jagged polygons from the n64 era, so to ke the game is 10x better than that.
with a 5 million dollar budget
Finally someone with some standards says the obvious how can people accept such a scuffed and cheap looking game with the amount of funding it got
that area in the canyon you went too that you thought was a dungeon, it's the starting area for the dire lord class.
The game is actually extremely fun for what it is. I'm 20h in and having a blast. Amazing game to play with a friend. Has a real true sense of progression
EQ was my first MMO and this definitely has EQ vibes. The corpse run/lose XP/lose a level thing is very much classic EQ, and part of the reason that my cleric alt got her click stick. Those of us in our MMO group that still play MMOs discussed giving it a try, but it doesn't really look like there's any reason to bother when you can just go back and play EQ right now.
It depends upon wanting to relive EQ or wanting a new game with similar playstyle. For those who have spent a few years playing on classic EQ servers this could release at the perfect moment
Nostalgia is lying to us, EQ is better than pantheon 😂
Not only was EQ way better than this, but there's a reason EQ died when WoW came out. It wasn't even good for its time.
You hit the nail on the head. Besides this isn't at all what the game was suppose to look like, and meant to have MANY more "environmental mechanics" that will not be added. This is just a sad attempt to get the game out, to meet the commitments of the "pledges" and possibly NOT get sued.....
I tried EQ becasue i was too young when it came out but the clunky interface and graphics didnt make it for me. pantheon on the other side i love
Kind of surprised that there's not a lot more people playing this game on steam. Perhaps they are thinking like me it's early access and I want to play a complete game.
because there's like 6k-10k people that bought the game before it went to steam and didn't re-buy the game on steam just to show up on steam metrics.
Yeah theres about 10kish in total actually playing, most aren't on steam
You are surprised that a turbo niche early access mmo that looks like a piece of shit has no players?
@@omegand. ????? There's 22 servers, 2 of which are EU and 1 OCE and Shards of existing servers that can automatically spool up when servers fill. Most servers are High population servers and some have multiple shards. Speak more about something you apparently know nothing about.
Or perhaps they are thinking, like me, that I'm not into 15 minute corpse runs or getting pegged, when represented on a ven diagram those people are one circle
Death is something you fear, unlike pretty much every other game, where it doesn't really matter that much. It means you have to think before you do something. You have to plan, because if you don't respect the mobs, they will kill you.
If you know where the zone line is, you can run your train to the zone line, and cross over, which you'll lose aggro.
Death can be a Pita, but I've had great experiences in the process of going after my corpse as well. Because I've made friends that helped me while doing it.
Also, not sure if Pantheon has this or not, but EQ did. You can use /corpse, and drag your corpse. Usually, you can Activate it a small distance from your corpse, which will basically summon your corpse to you. So you can do it, outside the aggro range of a mob, or you can make a macro with /corpse on it, and just run by, spamming it, and just keep dragging your corpse, till you get some place save.
Corpse runs can be a pita, but I'm glad to see Pantheon is doing it. If you don't respect death, or the mobs, then it really makes fighting mobs boring. Having Consequences for your actions, is very important.
This has t obe exaplined by the Game. People will have to die so many times to learn the basics. And usually this leads to quiting
@@DMM_Fan Those players aren't the one's you want for that game anyway. This isn't a game for just casual players, that need everything put on a silver platter.
@@VRIceblastif you don't have players, you don't have income. Remember what happened to Wildstar.
Craig, our hero taking another one for the team, Craig you got f'ed 4 times because you lost experience twice on top of losing items and a death run.
Lose loot, experience and levels on death, just what we all wanted the ability to play a game and make negative progress after playing for hours.
Yes, it's called player vs environment (PVE), and requires you to not mindlessly run around killing mobs without a thought in your mind. Now there's consequences to death, which makes you a bit more weary about running through a zone or going into a new area to fight. Some of us enjoy that. If you rather collect 25 quests, stare at a minimap while running from waypoint to waypoint then yea, this game wont be for you.
u obv could never handle a true mmorpg like back in the day. It makes me laugh because the punishment was worse in the classic games and people can't deal with logical game mechanics.
Considering the few hundred thousand people playing HARDCORE WoW. Where dying means your character is just done unless you transfer it. There's clearly an audience that wants their games to have a sense of risk vs reward. He was in an area designed for small groups to grind mob spawns. He got greedy and paid the price. That's a lesson you have to learn in this game. Also, if he had a shaman or cleric. They could have ressed him. Which not only prevent the run back. But also helps restore some of the lost xp. At higher levels, Necromancers can literally summon your corpse for you that also restores some of the lost xp. The death system adds weight and meaning to your choices. It also creates a demand for certain classes. Giving more purpose than simply "do damage, heal damage, tank damage."
This game does have its issues. It's in an alpha state. But the death system isn't one of those issues. This isn't the game for you. That's okay. But don't try to spin that as a negative for everyone. This is a selling point for some.
This isnt wow, go play your kid games , leave the real mmos to the real players
@@keldor8302this isn't wow and won't have that kind of player base fueled by nostalgia
Whoever made the font the enemy targets needs a talking to.
I was very exicted for this game during the early years of development, it was being made by Brad McQuaid, the designer for EverQuest, but he sadly passed away 5 years ago and development slowee tremendously.
Brad is rolling in his grave, Dead as pantheon will be when the honeymoon phase wears off and people realize just how shit this game is, It’s genuinely bad and nostalgia lies, People are desperate to look past it apparently
@@Trippin710you're a broken record in these comments. How sad your life must be to waste so much time trying to convince others to be as angry as you.
@@Gooseys11 Hahahahaha, Sorry I actually tried the game, I feel sorry for you blind mf's
The game was being made in Unity and was nearing early release state a few years ago. When Unity pulled their greedy bullshit. The devs had to jump ship and start almost from scratch two years ago. What you're seeing is essentially an mmo made in a little over two years by a small developer. It's rough, it's incomplete, and has a long road ahead still. But much of that rests on the head of Unity's greed a few years ago. The licensing changes would have bankrupt and shuttered the developers if they released using Unity.
trippin is just peak humanity garbage tbh
This game has the art style of shroud of the avatar. Thats not good....not good.
Also, people who call things like a 10 minute corpse run a fun, nostalgic mechanic, 100% are into getting pegged
The games old creator who is dead rolling in his grave, Knows the old graphics were better 😂 games as dead as he is
I'm guessing you prefer pay to win games where forming a group with other players is rare.
Why hate on people that enjoy challenging games designed to be played with others?
@pheralanpathfinder4897 what's challenging about a 10 minute death run? The loss of xp is the real penalty in game. Wasting your time irl is a bad penalty for immersion imo
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 there's nothing challenging about it, only punishing and time wasting
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I really hate when you call something bad challenging for the wrong reasons lmfao
I don't know how you do it mate. Even watching bores me the fuck out, couldn't play a second of this game.
It's his job lol
It’s the worst mmo to come out in years, And it expected to be better than the typical shit 😂 they failed horrendously, It’s inexcusably bad, Playing this game was one of the worst experiences i’ve had
@@Trippin710 Lmfao, i played it in beta when it was first released. My computer could barely handle it, as it was a graphically intensive game during the time. Lol.
It's a zen thing man. It's not for everyone but I can't understand how people play fast moving mmos
if they monetize it correctly i know of a few countries that would love this type of game. they just have to make it a bit pay to win type shop mmo
i havent given this game much thought over the course of its development, seeing this makes me a bit interested in seeing the final product. keep at it devs.
imagine the graphics being so dated are on purpose to give that old school MMO feel. i havent looked at the puter requirements but by the looks of it, it can run on a potato which of course opens it up to a far larger audience than the amazing graphics games that consistently let us down in other ways.
The devs had to start almost from scratch two years ago. When Unity (the engine they were using) got greedy with their license change fiasco. Releasing an mmorpg on their engine with their proposed changes would bankrupt the developers. They made the decision to develop their own engine and start from scratch. What you're seeing is a small developer make a new engine and mmo in roughly two years. Yeah, it's rough. But the alternative was to never release the game on account of what Unity was doing to their license.
Over a year and a half ago you also had a Watcher of Realms ad. Thats how I found out about that game and Ive been playing it ever since. They sometimes do questionnaires and ask how you found out about the game and I always credit you. Cool to see another ad from that game!
The second I saw the Ogre, I said to myself….thats the class I’d play in this game😂
Race*
I thought this would be in way rougher shape. This ain’t looking to shabby to me
Shout outs to Alexensual btw. A big fan and supporter of this game
This game makes me realize I will never quest through elwynn forest for the first time ever again :(
Omg this is a lot like Everquest. I want to play but I'll wait till it comes out.
The reason why EQ was good was you struggle together. The game was sometimes not easy, it forced you to more or less always team up. When you died in EQ your body had everything on it. Asking for help was normal and other players most of the time did help you. I remember dying in lower guk once in classic EQ as a warrior and it was painful to get my body back. So I asked others for help and they showed up to support because they know how hard doing a corpse run can be.
It really is a good game it is just people today cant put in the time to see and experience it and they just brush it off as being bad.
Sadly the market for pay to win games that provide very limited opportunities to interact with other players have dominated the market.
Hopefully enough people will embrace this game to encourage more like it or at least regular expansions.
The punishment of death makes for a much more intense experience.
It’s boring to watch, 100% more boring to play, Better off playing eq2
@@Trippin710 not sure about boring to play. Boring to watch maybe. I never played EQ2 so I can't really comment on it.
@@Trippin710I had more fun here than eq2
You clearly haven't made it into dungeon play it's very fast paced almost too fast paced
Great and fair video! Things you dislike - Most of them will improve with time except running back to corpse and probably the npc chase, but the length of the chase is individual though, and depending on what mob it is. I have been playing ~1 year now and i must say the amount of work VR have done under 2024 is very impressive, can't wait to see what they will implement and polish under 2025. Pantheon rise of the Fallen is my new home when it comes to MMOrpg. An advise - Try to find a group and do a run into the Goblincave at lvl ~5-8, that was my first group dungeon in Pantheon, and i loved it - It felt dangerous and rewarding, and kept me on my toes all time ..Observe, this is not a game for those that crave handholding in everything they do, one actually have to figure things out in Pantheon with friends or by oneself.
I think this game will appeal to a very specific type of person. It really nails the RPG feel unlike most "MMORPGs" these days
ppl that are retired from their jobs probably
Who does this game exactly serve to?
Dads and boomers who only get to play 1-2 hours a day wont make any progress in this game at all due to tedious and time consuming design practices.
This game rewards hardcore unemployed nerds who can spend 10+ hours a day playing video games, and even then it might be too "hardcore" for some hardcore players. This doesnt appeal to anybody, its dead on arrival.
@Mosleso exactly, I mean not even that, I am old enough to be close to boomer category and not even I would play it, I mean it was great when there was no mmos in the market but nowadays? lol it's just crazy haha
@MoslesoI played the original EQ while working a full time job and taking some classes for a career adjustment. I still had time to spend with my girlfriend who introduced me to EQ.
Even if they launch one expansion every six months you don't need to play 10 hours a day to make maximum level.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 same and then played eq2 , but why would I want to play with graphics from 300 years ago like I did before lol and also no map "hardcore" pfff ppl want to have fun not using getting lost as an "immersion" tactic
Was great seeing you experience a good ole beat down from a EQ style corpse run, lol. Thanks for the review it was awesome.
You ppl and your nostalgia for obnoxious and tedious mechanics that serve only to waste your time is nauseating at this point. How many games with this mechanic have to fail in the current market till you realize your nostalgia is why the games you want never succeed. Also, it doesn't even make sense. It's not like a corpse run is more realistic. I don't recall anyone i knew coming back to life after a 5k spirit run. If you want hardcore then a hardcore game mode makes sense and adds immersion. Long corpse runs are simply lazy development and people like you allow those lazy developers to spin it as "old school" or "classic". Gimme an actual break man.
@Thee-_-Outlier I needed an actual break from that word vomit you spewed. Who gives a shit about what other people choose to play? It's creepy and weird to be so hyperfocused on something that doesn't affect you in the least. Take your head out of the ass of others and play something that suits you, ffs. If it fails, it fails.
I don't miss losing hours of exp grinding for dying or trying to get my corpse back and dying again.
Lots of nostalgia in this video.
Played Pantheon for 30 minutes last night and immediately refunded it.
This game is designed to "Slow Roll and Barely Entertain You" just long enough for the 2hr Steam refund window to expire. That's it.
Kinda FF11 style enemy difficulty I like it
I’ve been playing the game and it’s actually a lot of fun. It’s all about being in a group and enjoying it together. I’ve never really played with any groups since EQ or made any actual friendships until this game.
I think it looks really good and I love the graphics, but its too expensive for me at £33.50.
Yea for real. I didn't look at the price yet. I was maybe gonna try it if it was free lolol. $30? Hard pass.
Much rather pay for poe2 early access or spend a bit more and get in on ashes alpha testing, albeit that pricing model is unfair also, but ashes looks way better than this
Yeah and its not even finished. Used to be games would let you their testing for free now they want to charge you full price to bug test it for them ......crazy.
@@Troy_nov1965I liked free beta tests but this model is still better than pay to win micro transactions that are advertised as "free"
It's a group oriented game, so if that aint your style, probably gonna have a bad time; thus some of those negatives push you to do so. Like the crafting system it seems, pushed you to make gear when initially you didn't want to, you'll have to invest in it.
The game looks very fun despite the visuals and ui being very rough
I think this is the only channel I will watch EVERY video that gets released
I believe the reason mobs run faster now is because of kiting. Used to a weak player could kill a boss while holding it's loot lock and doing all of 5 damage for hours while staying just out of range. But I agree it's BS. It should just be a dmg per hit check to see if the player is capable
The chokehold this game has on me. Its exactly what I've been looking for since Everquest scars of velious. Once luclin came around it added too many QoL that hurt the hardcore nature of the game, which was a slippery slope that lead to more things leaving eq unrecognizable.
Pantheon is a return to form ive been craving jumping from mmo to mmo looking for the eq experience.
Ive leveled every class to level 5 so far and a shaman and monk to level 10.
I know the general audience is going to hate this game and thats fine. Not every game needs to be made for everybody. hell if eq can survive for 25 years with a niche audience, I think pantheon has the potential to do the same.
Good coverage, keep in mind that Visionary Realms is treating this as a proper early access game on Steam and it's currently in the equivalent of an Alpha state. Improvement to systems and graphics will be happening throughout 2025.
Yes if you dont zone mobs remember you, its called an "agro list" in the day
Lazy, I knew I could count on you to be fair and objective. I enjoy Pantheon and Ashes and thought you did a good job giving impressions as always.
When Ultima Online launched, i attacked a neutral panther near a city. The thing took three fourths of my health in one shot, then followed me for fifteen screens before killing me. I also recall an area in the wild where a fireball got thrown at me and one shot me. It was an off-screen air elemental. I learned to avoid that area. Ultima Online was also full loot by anyone, including players. I had a lot of fun as a blacksmith/mage, gathering resources with enough combat skills and knowledge of patterns to avoid pkers.
This is my most played game currently! I've been enjoying the experience Pantheon brings to 2024!
The Pantheon that we have now is an empty shell of what the game was supposed to be.
They've all be removed now, but if you saw any of the original game-play videos way back before the passing of the Founder of the studio, what they released is sort of sad.
Yeah its nothing like it was suppose to be.
Games creator is rolling over in his grave, Game is as dead as he is
I have been saying this for a couple of years now, since Brad passed away. They just went the route of "We need to finish it for the agreements/commitments, so we don't get sued" .... I am a HUGE EQ fan I played the first one and I loved the second one.... and all they did was use literally updated graphics for the first one, and added a couple of things form the second one.
I have had so many "fanboys" of a game that isn't even out yet, and has two predecessors that are FAR better than this, especially that it has taken TEN years for this ...
I bought 2 Black Rose packages.... and I am sad I did ( 500$ each) .... this was NOT what I essentially paid for. I understand it was a "pledge" and at that point in time, it was "subject to change" , 100% understood that. HOWEVER - This was NOT what Brad was going for at all .... not by any means. Project Gorgon is far superior to this honestly. And I am actually glad he mentioned that game, just a little bit.
If you want to play this game, you should literally just go play EQ1 or EQ2 ... at least they are still alive, fleshed out, and exactly what this is- *but better* .... the fact we are literally getting EQ1 *ten* years later , and it is 2024.... astounds me at how incompetent the developments team just literally gave up, and just want to move on. They should have just shut down, and let it die.
It's insane, that it took them 10 years, to make a reskinned EQ1 ... I know there is more to it than that, but still ...
I am so glad to see almost everyone agree with this in the comment section. Because everywhere else, it's just fan boys going "nuh uh, this is what it was supposed to be"
*NO IT IS NOT*
19:22 if its like EQ you can target your corpse and type "/corpse" to drag it closer to you and avoid aggroing nearby mobs
Yay! New LazyPeon video! ❤
Been pledged to this game for a long time. It’s come so far in just a short 2 years. I can’t wait to see what the game looks like in a year or two. The devs have been killing it lately
LOL
Agreed. Incredible leap in progress with Early Access.
LOL
I really hope this is sarcasm, lol
They surely are killing it...
might just be able to play the full game by the time I retire. Been waiting for this for years. Happy to wait for something good tho.
Holy shit that takes me back. Do you realize the "consider" command goes all the way back to text-based online multiplayer dungeons? (Also known as MUDs)
I tried it for 90mins and refunded it. Seems to have potential for fans of old school MMOs, however it feels like it’s in such an unpolished state. I personally don’t think a game like this should have a $40 Early Access tag on Steam
that guy that buffed you, and gave you a weapon. Because of the brutal difficulty, These types of games make players like that exist. Because there's such a group focus, people really do look out for each other much more.
The game is absolutely beautiful. It really grows on you but it is aimed towards EQ FFXI players. I will say I wasn't blown away til I entered the second zone. It also, took me a good few hours before I really just fell all in. Things that bothered me at first, felt well put after I few days played.
The game however it's far from intuitive.
does this support controller and or steam deck installation?
6:15 vs 16:33
Well, well, well.
The game development still clearly has a long way to go, but this game is definitely going to appeal to a niche player base that is nostalgic for original EQ (pre-Daybreak Games). It seems like a lot of features aren't in the game yet, and it'll be pretty cool to see those roll out. Some of the negatives you listed like extreme dark environments and varying NPC nameplates are actually direct takes from the original EQ experience which definitely brought back memories. I haven't played the game for long, but I'm interested to see how the development in EA progresses. It's certainly gotten a way more positive reception than I thought it would.
Imagine my surprise when I see that I was mentioned in the video (Voltar). If you run across Voltar or Voltag and need anything give me a holler. I remember giving you the axe. I can make leather armor as well as leather bags which hold 10. Happy adventuring. Love your content by the way. Old time EQ/Vanguard player
Ogre area looked legitimately fun. I love monster races
The Ogre/Dark Myr starting area is unironically terrible. It was thrown together in a rush and compacted into a tiny area just for the sake of having a separate starting area for them. The first thing most players do is escape to the human/dwarf starting area to actually enjoy the game. Luckily, they're right next to eachother.
The Elf/Halfling starting area is rough because it's brand new, but it's nowhere near as bad as the Ogre/Dark myr area. Unfortunately it's about a half an hour run from Wild's End to Thronefast and that's without deaths.
The Ogre models are pretty sweet though, especially in full platemail.
@michaelmorrison5280 That does suck to hear. Hopefully those areas get more attention in the future.
The ogre models are rad, and will probably be my first pic
@@lordlittletoeq8537 The problem is the Ogre and Dark Myr are supposed to start on a totally different continent that isn't in the game yet. As such, the starter area for them is 100% temporary and probably won't get developed further.
The Halfling and Elf starter already got an update two days ago and is going to be getting more work in the future.
Thanks for covering it. It's definitely not for everyone but it's coming along. They're patching it often and moving in the right direction.
For what they went for game looks awesome the old school effect an all. But honestly i cant go back to play these types of games anymore. I know many people will love this game thats cool.
Honestly, the consequences this game has for dying has me intrigued. I can't stand how games have taken this route that dying isn't even a slight inconvenience anymore, in fact it's often encouraged in games to learn enemy attack patterns and mechanics. Screw that, I like what they've done there.
This isnt its full potential. do some research on pantheons perception system. Its the way it ties in storyline quests and lore into the world. they are trying to hold back as much of the lore as they can but there is some old videos that will explain some things. But once perception comes out in full force exploring is gonna be 10X even better
I feel that I need to clear up some of the criticism here. Number 1: The graphics and the UI, currently in the game, is placeholder and will eventually be replaced. Number 2: There will be a map added to the game, however it's not yet ready. Number 3: You can buy gear in the form of armour and weapons from vendors in the village :P Number 4: The crafting currently in game is in a very early stage and will be improved upon significantly. Remember that this game is currently in a very early alpha stage, so if everything goes as planned for the devs then this game will look very different a year from now. I hope this cleared up some of the negative aspects that you encountered in the game
Quit coping so hard
So the key phrase is "if everything goes according to planned" Which it hasn't at all in 10 years. The graphics won't change. They won't be making enough money to do anything. This release was the last money grab they had left because of the HUGE backlash they got from EVERYONE when they tried to release a Pantheon Battle Royale game to accumulate funds for the real Pantheon.
I remember following this game years ago. Wasn't even aware it had released.
Same here. Last i looked, it seemed like it was going to fail.
They should have gone with some other artstyle that would look good but still be shit.
This just isnt it, I wanted to try it but the graphics look terrible
It's not 1.0 release for another 2 years minimum. It's in early access as the development continues.
Can you climb up the mountains to escape combat? That was my first thought once you discovered climbing
Pledge here. Respectfully, I'm struggling to understand who this game is for. Old school mmo lovers can still play those games and those games are better in many ways
Bought it, created character (character creator is one of the worst I’ve ever seen), and then proceeded to die to a level 1 bat. Great experience.
Get good
Skill issue
Complaining about the character creator in an Early Access game is a lot like complaining that the ice is cold
You'll always remember your first.
Fippy Darkpaw was my nemesis. Weeks later I camped him for revenge.
Probably did use his scrolls🤣
The real questing is Where the F is the cash shop???? I want my microtranstions~~
He's salty for dieing 15 min away. Protip, didn't do that.
Jokes aside, yes it sucks. But you were still playing the game like it was wow/FF. You have to play like the game is hardcore. Death sucks, play more conservative. Play it safe because death matters.
This game is certainly for a very niche audience, but I think the audience is there as long as they keep improving, which they seem to have been doing.
Reasonable review. My only issue is that you don't really spend much time acknowledging that the game is still years from launch, and most of your complaints are about things that are either WIP or 100% placeholder (i.e. the UI).
Ongoing issue I see with streamers "reviewing" in-dev projects. Be critical, give your honest opinion, but at least give it the fair shake of emphasizing it hasn't actually launched.
Placeholder till game launches is just an excuse the devs use. Its looked like shit for a long time and the little amount of money they make from charging 40 dollars to about 700 people total isn't going to be enough to change anything.
I don't think he has to. He paid his 40 bucks. The history of the games development isn't in any way necessary most steam users don't care about that or that parts of it are WIP. They paid their 40 bucks and they expect their 40$ worth
This game is very bland and not worth the money. Its trying to be an updated EQ1 but its not quite hitting the mark. After having played for a while i feel the need to warn others. The gameplay loop similar to EQ, but it doesnt have any of the charm. If you're looking to replace P1999 with this, you'll be disappointed. Not everything can be chalked up to "its still in EA". They've been developing this game for a decade. Not entire sure development has a firm idea on what it wants to be.
To those seeking the next EQ1-like experience, I'd suggest Monsters & Memories instead.
monsters and memories is even more bare bones and looks way uglier and its way more janky and buggy. don't even go there.
on a small mmo i offered free help to fix these small things you mentioned like writing errors and typos etc. not only they refused free work force they outright refused to fix those things as well.
This game has light at the end of the tunnel i believe. Insane after 10 years it's only in this state. The older generation like myself who grew up playing FF11, Everquest, etc will enjoy this game. I just hope they speed up the development. If it takes another 5 years i might just pass.
I understand and appreciate the game being old school in mechanics, but damn they must have worked hard to make visuals look this bad in 2024. I guess it will be able to run on a potato at least.
Solid criticisms and feedback. I think a lot of people just need to play the game to judge for themselves. Great video!
This game is DESIGNED for Multiplayer. You can NOT solo through this game. Period.
Maybe a necro or summoner (pet class) can. I don't know.
First game you've played in a while that makes me want to buy and play it.
I have been looking for your discord server but all I have found is some expired links, is there anyway for fans to still get into the Peon discord server?
I don't have one at the moment, will make one soon
When the Ad Game looks better than the Review Game....
The best MMorpg I played in 15 years
This game is not for noobs like this youtuber.
It is for real MMorpg veterans