I did check the comments, so it doesn’t look like that anyone told you that Hoshi was originally in the Vocal Unit when they were originally planning the unit organizations. Him and Woozi were in each other’s units before they switched and became the leader of their respective units
This vid is amazinngg!!! Check out Jun's vocals when he's singing in Chinese. He's more comfortable singing with his mother tongue and his falsetto is precious! Scoups was originally trained to be a vocal, but he fell in love with HipHop. His voice is indeed powerful!!! I love it. And yess... Hoshi, despite being SVT performance leader, is the 6th secret member of seventeen vocal team. His position is lead vocal... And yes, it blew my mind when I learned this.
the only problem that i find about soonyoung’s voice is that his voice tends to strain in the higher ranges and he gets pretty shouty when he tries to force a high note. but he is a great vocalist anyways and the best lead vocalist svt could ask for, along with jihoon.
The only reason Hoshi isn’t in the vocal team is because his first and main skill is his outstanding dancing abilities. A lead vocalist being the leader of the performance team, Hoshi is truly an all-rounder and so amazing ❣️.
People always say DK is #1 and I can see that because he has a good vocal color. And his tone is just so attractive. But Seungkwan always had better technique, their trainers always say so. However, in seventeen’s eyes they’re both equal.
It's funny but I always hear and read that Seungkwan vocal is #1. So, don't worry) For example, I prefer dk's voice and vocal, but I understand Seungkwan is somewhere better
- Try looking up Jun's high notes in 24/7 and Lilili Yabbay? Also, check out his vocals on the Chinese show CYZJ! - Fun fact - S. Coups was originally a vocal!! - Hoshi is an amazing singer and that is a Fact - I once thought he was DK in my first listen of a song, he is THAT GOOD so it's great to see you acknowledge that! - GO DK GO DK GO DK GO DK (if you've watched their Pretty U special stage you know exactly what this refers to and will be hearing them chanting in your head as you read this lol) - SEUNGKWAN IS MY BIAS AND THAT IS FOR A HELLA GOOD REASON (if you can't tell, I was fangirl squealing during all of his singing clips and most, if not all, of his entire section.)
@@CuriousLabs05 OK you're just a dk's hater I see you bring him down in all comments and replies if you don't like to see us praise his vocal just go away and for seungkwan no one say bad things about his vocal because we know that he is a vocal king along with dk so shut up
@@keeks4914 Yes and Joshua too use falsetto to sing.. His specialty is to use falsetto technique to sing.. That's why he gets the most bridge part of the song to sing. I'm really sorry about explaining my thing but i just want to include joshua because he uses the same technique.😅
Dk stability while doing high notes while dancing never fails to amaze me. He is so consistent that when I see their live performances I’m always ALWAYS surprised, it’s crazy
You did my ult group I'm so thankful! DK is #1 for me but I I trust your judgement and reasoning and see your points a lot more compared to other RUclipsrs. Can you try maybe doing NCT 127 or NCT Dream, preferably 127?
You commenting on how woozi can't get super loud or powerful and relating it to his height made me think of Pentagon's Jinho. He's one of my favourite vocalists (incredible range, versatility and technique, really good at conveying emotion through his voice, just in general a powerhouse all-rounder) and also around Woozi's height
I’d agree that Seungkwan is the best technically for vocals. You can tell he’s been singing for a long time and is always improving. A lot of the straining I heard from him was when they first debuted but I don’t hear it anymore.
Seungkwan’s voice was made for ballads, when I hear him in them I just wanna cry (in a good way lmao) also I actually prefer his vocal tone over DK’s, contrary to a lot of the comments, however in more upbeat songs i feel dk executes better
DK is for sure more versatile in terms of genres and he excels in high energy songs. But SK's technique is margenly superior. DK is just blessed with a naturally more maliable voice.
@@sambradley8297 But I hope people can appreciate Kwannie's vocal more. Like many fans said Kwan is better only because he has a better technique. But when he sings, he brings so much emotion in his singing that is just so beautiful to me. His masked singer performance just moved me so much~
I do agree that SK has better technique in general... but is just me or is his voice starting to strain because of all those high notes... A part of me wishes for SVT to stop singing pretty you or maybe rearrange the song because of the potential damage it could cause SK's voice. Promise i am not hating, more of a little worried... Thanks for the great review. Cheers!!!
The comment section is so embarrassing. I wish I never bumped into this video.Before watching any vocal ranking videos , I felt svt and the fandom as a safe place.But sadly it is not now.The amount of carats willing to disrespect and trashtalk seungkwan to praise dk is so sad .Dk is an angel and he definitely does not need some stans in this comment section.
My oppinion 1. Seungkwan obviously cuz his techniques and voice is a bit higher than dk 2. Dk i love his voice a lot and yes his a power house of the vocal 3. Obviously Woozi i love his adlibs 4. Hoshi not because he's my bias but hoshi has that voice and range that any producer can play with his voice 5. Joshua I think too that Joshua is 5th among seventeen vocal cuz after listening their rocket song i convinced with his ability of techniques 6. Jeonghan his voice is the charm 7. Jun i think that what he played videos were his low vocals but i think jun has very unique voice but mostly sings in low but has higher vocal range than it seems cuz his Chinese version of dwc and lilili yabbay i think his range is higher than it seems 8. Scoups he's main rapper but yeah he got accepted in the company with his singing so he has that vocal Techniques and range but not up than jun i think that. 9. Wonwoo 10. Dino 11.the8 12. mingyu 13. Vernon Nice video and comments towards vocals keep it up👍👍
YES I’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS FOREVER THANK YOU SO MUCH I’m a singer myself and I love learning more about this kind of stuff and seeing other people’s opinions on it!!!
Have you ever heard the song Rocket? Vernon actually sings most of the vocals in that song. Also if you ever seen the parts switch Vernon actually sang Woozi's part in Change up. However Vernon really prefers to be a rapper he was originally chosen as a member of the Performance Unit but asked to be switched to the Hip Hop Unit.
Again, pretty spot on with the ranking 💯 Mingyu and Wonwoo to me are truly SVT’s biggest untapped potentials, in terms of vocal abilities. They just need more confidence and proper technique training, and they’ll go up the ranks for sure. You should check out Mingyu’s solo track ‘Like the Beginning’, he has a very creamy and soothing vocal tone that can really go places with a bit more range and consistency. Wonwoo’s voice is truly a gem - he’s evidently more confident at showcasing his vocals more than Mingyu, which means that he is already off to a good start. His soulful singing style has a lot of emotive potential that would sound amazing in ballads. As for the main vocals, I personally prefer DK’s vocals because as you’ve pointed out, he is extremely versatile and an absolute powerhouse. His voice naturally allows him to do a lot more things and his vocal stamina is literally insane. But yes, Seungkwan is more technically skilled given the type of voice that he has. With his position as the main vocal and the kinds of singing that he has to do, his voice evidently wears off slightly more often than DK. Great ranking tho!
Joshua in 2 Minus 1 proves the point here (I would say Joshua tends to use that tone more as hes more comfortable with it considering the stamina, image, practice sessions, default vocal technique over the years, etc. As for jeonghan, that nasal feminine tone is like his voice itself - its not that he doesn't change it enough or thay hes more comfortable with it - even when he raps or sings more upbeat songs, his method of portrayal changes but his voice itself essentially remains the same)
This would be my ranking: 1. DK 2. Seungkwan 3. Woozi 4. Hoshi 5. Joshua 6. Jeonghan 7. Scoups 8. Jun 9. Wonwoo 10. Dino 11. Mingyu 12. The8 13. Vernon Found it hard to choose between Jun/Wonwoo and Dino/Mingyu/The8 but your ranking made so much sense
I just recently started getting into Seventeen after watching Jun and The8 on CYZJ. I'm surprised how low Jun is ranked because his voice was one of my favorites from the show, but I guess it just goes to show how talented the other members are.
Fellow CARATS, please keep in mind that the clips included were probably not the only sources to inform the ranking. Given his very thorough and fair assessment, I’d say this guy has listened to many a recording of their vocal abilities and just chose some to include here. He also explicitly expresses that the members have potential to grow in their abilities, so it IS a snapshot of where they were when he posted. One thing I do wish he pointed out was the fact that SEVENTEEN often sings live and their choreographies are no joke. Some of the techniques that Seungkwan and DK employ are freaking hard just standing still. As a whole, SEVENTEEN is exceedingly above the average vocal skills of a kpop group.
Ive noticed that Seungkwan has now gotten better at doing the high note in pretty u. I was watching a few videos from their recent tour (one even from their page) and I noticed that the strain he had near the end of the note when they first performed the song is no longer there
I am a Jeonghan bias and I have to agree with you! Jeonghan sounds great when he's within his range but he lacks versatility, I hope he'll be able to develop his vocal technique and really shines. There's this thing about Jeonghan that he can't scream, do you think it has anything to do with his vocal overall that makes him not being able to connect with his chest voice? By the way I hope to see your ranking on Apink's vocal! They've just had their latest comeback I think there's gonna be a whole lot of materials for you to check out. Apink's got great vocalists but Eunji's really famous for her voice so I'm really curios about your thoughts on the rest of the girls!
Also a jeonghan bias, and personally I would put him a bit above Joshua because I think he’s a bit more expressive in his singing in general, I think he is starting to figure out connecting to chest voice too! Like the bit he has in hit with s.Coups, while layered, still shows the beginning to some power. I just think he isn’t getting opportunities to work on that with their part distributions/ maybe is nervous about seeking it out. I really hope he can take that road cause I adore his singing and want to hear some solo stuff from him (honestly give everybody solos, I need it)
Shelby Moore Around 2015 2016 he was very shy and kinda insecure about his voice/singing ability. I remember him saying he'd only sing alone in the bathroom and didn't want to sing in public. Lately he's been more confident, having duets and solos and now a cover, I'm just so proud of his growth. I hope he'll venture out even more.
Mingyu and Dino have improved a lot in the last three years! Face the Sun did so much for showing everyone’s vocal improvement, I really hope you liked the record, great video!
i can’t choose between Seungkwan and DK for become the best one in vocal.. Seungkwan’s voice always makes me goosebumps while DK’s voice always makes me melting.. this duo thou *chef’s kiss 👌🏻
I like how you explained why you put each member in each ranking, it was really interesting to watch. I strongly believe that if s.coups had been trained in vocals instead of rap, he would’ve placed higher, because s.coups got into pledis by singing.
I know the ranking is already done but I thought i'd drop some members who are foreign singing in their mother tongue as i think their singing at least tonally changes slightly (though warning i'm not a musician at all so these clips may not add anything ;-;) *Joshua* Joshua - Breakeven ruclips.net/video/07hpl2l_2DQ/видео.html Joshua - Just like a star ruclips.net/video/w_5MaCk4sog/видео.html Joshua [&Woozi] - Sunday morning ruclips.net/video/JJfiXzuORaA/видео.html *Jun* Vocal unit & China line - 那些年 ruclips.net/video/GIwxmk6PIFc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/GIwxmk6PIFc/видео.html Jun - I'm sorry I love you ruclips.net/video/Cd3_YqMUmuQ/видео.html Jun - Crazy for you ruclips.net/video/zqaKryi6CVc/видео.html Jun's Lilil Yabbay falsetto as a bonus ruclips.net/video/1G-tlC8DsDY/видео.html Jun - The night is too dark ruclips.net/video/F5-voxaBgVM/видео.html Jun - Reflection of desire ruclips.net/video/7AjTq6yeMO8/видео.html *The8* Vocal unit & China line - 那些年 ruclips.net/video/GIwxmk6PIFc/видео.html The8 - Dreams come true ruclips.net/video/WqWyyjJm3YE/видео.html The8 - Night and rain - The8 mostly raps in Chinese so its hard to find clips** Also in relation to Vernon's vocal confidence he was on one of those kid talent shows ruclips.net/video/a-g1PpkPUFM/видео.html when he was younger, sang and got kinda harshly criticized along the lines of you have no talent for singing [like in fairness to the judge Vernon wasn't good but the way it was phrased was apparently quite cold] Ironically they did a stage together years later with Vernon rapping and that judge [G.O.D's Kim Taewoo] singing pannative.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-stage-that-will-make-you-literally.html
Jun's voice is simply beautiful. I am sad that they didn't use it much on their svt songs. I also think that Jun loves singing more than dancing. I watched a show where he covered songs and it really sounded pleasant and clean. His voice invokes so much emotions. Even without understanding the language or the lyrics, the message that the song tried to convey resonates to those who hear it. Jun is known for his falsetto but I think that's not what his strong point really is. He can go higher, he has a technique and proper control. Maybe if he debuted as a vocal unit member, they would show us more of that. I can't forget that voice. I often watched his singing rather than his dancing, and as I check svt songs, I can't really hear Jun. I wish for him to join a Korean singing contest like Seungkwan, DK and Hoshi when they wore a mask. I hope that many people can finally see this side of Jun. I wish lots of people will also hear what I hear, will also feel what I felt and will also witness what I witnessed.
Dk voice is my favorite in svt his voice is the most attractive and he hits the notes easily without staining, I love Seungkwan voice too but he would come in close second for me
My opinion 1. DK (i really love his voice . So comfortable, high notes) 2. SEUNGKWANG (emotional , high notes) 3. WOOZI (so soft yet powerful) 4. HOSHI (unique voice) 5. JEONGHAN (angelic voice) 6. SCOUPS ( so soft for the main rapper,the fact that he auditioned for vocal,OK HE IS MY BIAS) 7. WONWOO (so deep,im getting emotional) 8. JOSHUA (so soft,beautiful.) 9. DINO (ok he can do everything.dance,sing,rap) 10. JUN (very very soft,falseto) 11. THE8 (cute .) 12. VERNON 13. MINGYU IN CONCLUSION ,,, THEY ALL CAN SINGGGGGGGGGGGG . THEY CAN DANCE , RAP, SING . STAN TALENT
"Joshua and Jeonghan are very very similar" I laughed. Yes they are, in more ways than one lmao, there's a reason why they're called the twins. Anways, as a Jjongjjongiefan (Jeonghan stan), I have to comment that I think that Scoups has a better technique than Jeonghan (and Joshua). In his earlier days, Jeonghan had really bad breathing technique, making him often lose breath when doing harder choreos in the middle of a song. Also his pitch control used to be wobbly back in the day. Joshua does not have these hurdles; his voice is fuller, rounder, and it's more powerful maybe due to his better breathing technique. They've both improved a lot though, Jeonghan especially, now being center often.
was really surprised you didn't talk about juns falsetto at all! (not sure if that's technically the right term, but it's what I've heard others use to describe it) id highly recommend his vocals in lilili yabbay, moonwalker and the Chinese version of thanks he did honestly even if it didn't change your ranking it would have been nice to see you acknowledge it in your justification. still liked the video though, it was really interesting to hear your thoughts :3
I keep hearing about this lilli yabbay song, so I checked out a jun focus of it. And I honestly didn't really hear or notice anything from it, I may have to listen again, but yeah on first listen I didn't see a great deal, but I keep hearing about Jun's falsetto, so maybe I missed something.
I mostly agree with your opinion. In my untrained ears, Seungkwan and DK are excellent vocalists, while Hoshi and Woozi show some vocal skills. On the other hand, no offense to Jeonghan and Joshua but I feel like their vocal skills leave a lot to desire because I think their mixing is non-existent and their supported range is quite weak for lead vocalists. imo the gap between Seung-DK and Jeong-Joshua is too big that I wish Jeong-Joshua trains harder to close the gap. The problem is it's quite hard to watch live performances in Kpop these days as every performance has a certain percentage of backtrack, causing vocalists to slack off and viewers to judge their true vocal skills.
I’ve never agreed with a comment more. Jeonghan’s and Joshua’s voices are very pleasant and they’re good singers, but there is quite a noticeable difference between them and boo and dk in majority of their songs. I do get surprised by Joshua’s falsetto sometimes tho.
Since I only see people comparing Dk's tone to Seungkwan's technique, I just want to say that Seungkwan's tone and colour has always been my favourite. His voice is so pretty and raspy so he is number 1 for me.
As a multifandom kpop fan, I've been thoroughly enjoying these videos. You seem to really know what you're talking about. Looking forward to watching other of my faves being discussed. Will you do bands as well, such as Day6, Onewe and The Rose?
You're too nice, really, if I got that many people in my comments trying to make a point that *insert name* is better than *insert name 2* because of *absolutely biased opinions with no technical basis* I'd be driven insane lmao. Bless you, really.
Cateyy07 yeah they do but they’re irrelevant in this particular topic. He’s analyzing technical abilities, which are skills, which aren’t subjective. There’s a little opinion involved, ofc, like when two vocalists have similar skills but one has something he values more, but in general people in the comments are amateurs who shouldn’t rly have a say in that. Im saying this as a singer myself who is always trying to develop my technique.
sometimes when seungkwan sings high notes it sounds like something is stuck in his throat and he has slight issues with projection but seokmin is consistent and has a clearer tone
Agreed. I’ve heard Seungkwan go flat sometimes because of his tendency to pull chest voice, but DK is always on pitch. I’ve never once heard him go sharp or flat, but of course I could be wrong. They’re both phenomenal though, so it’s really all semantics.
I feel like Seventeen are so famous for their dancing that their vocals and rap get overlooked, but to be able to sing that well and be that stable while dancing such insanely difficult choreo is beyond impressive to me. Seungkwan's voice is my favourite because it's so rich and full, but DK's voice is gorgeous too 💓
@@AnnikaLHipir I think based on the videos of Jun he showed, that it's not an accurate depiction of his vocal capability. No real or covers or even his solo live performances, which i think show more of his range. Especially his falsettos in Lilili Yabbay or 24/7.
For me seventeen is one of the best group that has an amazing vocal, maybe individually their voice sound good but together they sounds like angels singing.
DK and Seungkwan are first to me. I can't really decide cause they have different points. Their both are so talented I love them so much. DK is a powerhouse and his falsettos/head voice are better and Seungkwan is better at belts. But DK sang Seungkwan's notes in Clap and Very Nice and he did those so perfectly. I think he just doesn't use that part of his voice yet. I think he will get better over time. He also joined as a lead actor on XCalibur and after he got even better and stronger. And I also think some people prefer power over technique and some prefer technique over power. And every note that DK hits sound perfectly by tone in my opinion and I've never seen him strain more than couple of times. He's better at those for me. But Seungkwan obvs better at belting rn. He is also amazing.
contrary to popular opinions, to me, jun...... *deserves* his current place because of a few things. while i'm completely aware that yes, he's got a beautiful voice, beautiful falsetto, amazing when he sings in chinese, i also believe that what he still needs to work on is mainly his placement. take a look at his solo cover: i'm sorry i love you, where he practically *shines* in his middle range/area with his voice, but when he goes higher, he starts belting with a very nasal placement, and while it works just fine, i think this is the main issue that kind of *limits* him in doing more things with his vocals. so yeah, jun's still a pretty good singer and i believe he would be able to get even more amazing if he keeps on practicing and improving!^^ p.s: i'm kind of throwing vocal terms frivolously here n there, so if there's anything pls cmiiw^^
If Seungkwan hasn't developed his mixed then him and DK are pretty interchangeable, it just that Seungkwan's mixed makes them apart, their lower and upper register are quite the same in terms of development. 1. Seungkwan has a supported range of Eb3-G#4/A4. People might say he's straining more than DK because Seungkwan singing in the 5th octave more than DK. He has resonance that something DK doesn't have yet. He's underrated vocally, many people/carats usually put him below DK. 2. Dokyeom has a supported range of D3/Eb3-F#4/G4. He's not straining as much as Seungkwan because higher notes are usually given to Seungkwan since he usually using his falsetto to reach those notes to avoid strain. He's also singing in a narrow range it's like he's limiting his voice. I like his vocal color the most in Seventeen. 3. Woozi >= Hoshi >= Joshua 4. Jeonghan
Agree, some carats discredit seungkwan's ability just because they prefer Dk's voice when there's a noticeable gap between them. Dk is kinda overrated technically.
No hate to DK but agreed. There is a reason why Seungkwan got most of the praise as main vocal during their 17 debut project show. But DK is a great vocal nonetheless.
oh god thanks for speaking my mind. When I first heard Boo and Seokmin's voice, it's Boo's attracted me more than Seokmin tho Seokmin's voice sounds more clean and natural. I like how Kwan puts a special layer of emotion into his singing, it's something that I can't feel from Seokmin, but I think it's really up to preference. It's sad some comments about Kwan come off a bit harsh on him. He def improved a lot as well. Im happy to see many professional vocal coaches recognizing Kwan's talent and techniques as he deserves. You know how insanely good svt vocals are when two main vocalists can be both the 1st.
@Pinkii Lights Actually the third member I feel having the "potential" to be a well-developed vocalist is Dino. He has shown pretty decent use of technique in my opinion. It's just his passion is more on dancing (the best dancer in kpop after all), so hasn't spent time on real training in singing. He can rap very well too. He's only 21. This man needs more recognition seriously.
as a hansol (vernon) stan who sings,, tysm for this 🥺🥺 including officially missing you was so nice to see and i’ve been riding for his vocal ability (albeit limited) it makes me so happy to see someone appreciate his ability !!!
Thank you for this professional unbiased ranking. Sometimes people have some sort of problem with objectively saying someone is better than someone else and confusing that with liking someone more than someone else. So I appreciate this a lot.
I HAVE A LOT TO SAY. But first, THANK YOU! I will only comment on DK and Seungkwan Tbh, you can interchange them in their ranks because of two reasons; 1. DK may be lacking less in technique compared to Seungkwan, BUT, the consistency is MASSIVE! You can count in your fingers the only times he slipped in support or had hiccups in technique. Yes he may have a harder time to hit Seungkwan's notes because he's a bit lacking, but his consistency in his supported range(especially in the upper range) is crazy. After all, consistency is one hell of a requirement as a better singer. 2. Seungkwan really blows DK away with his technique. But he's always going in and out technique. He drops support like crazy. I get disappointed sometimes but when he slays, HE SLAYS! It's true he really has a better technique but then if not fully utilized may be a bit of a problem. So I agree that you can interchange them depending on what perspective you look on to.
Love your all analysis of the groups so far. I know you are only doing groups that you are familiar with and I don't know if you listen to Pentagon, but if not can you please consider doing a video on them in the future? And also possibly NCT, Shinee, and Super Junior.
You should check The8’s new song Falling down. He released it a couple of weeks ago and his vocals are amazing!!! I love your videos and I love the way you are explaining the reasonings behind the positions!
OMG, I can't agree more with your ranking, literally I have to clap my hands whenever their pictures reveal. Even though Mingyu is my bias, I personally love Hoshi's unique tone so so much, it touches my heart every single time. Follow by DK and S.coups and Woozi, I adore their voices from the bottom of my heart. I don't think it would make any change in your ranking but Vernon can hit some high notes (accidentally LOL) when he isn't joking around. And Mingyu's solo song "Like the Beginning" also show his improvement. Jun's highnotes in Lilili Yabbay are phenomenal and Minghao can sing in lower range in his solo stage in a Chinese program. I glad that they put efforts to improve their singing abilities. I put the links below for you to check out :) Mingyu - Like the beginning ruclips.net/video/WC6vFBTeqfE/видео.html Woozi - What kind of future ruclips.net/video/98xgWVaipo0/видео.html The8 - Dreams come true ruclips.net/video/pxTL3o9tJTo/видео.html
It's been a while since I listened to Seventeen and now I miss them! Going to start listening to them again🤗. Also, S. Coups was major shock for me too. How did I not know about his voice?? Thanks for letting me discover my new bias wrecker
Since these were done 2 years ago…. I do fell things have changed in terms of DK’s skill. Since being in the musical DK’s singing and technique have significantly improved. Seungkwan is still very good but I felt in this last 2 years, DKs agility and interchangeably change from one pitch to another effortlessly. I give DK a slight edge overall.
DK has always been very good at switching pitches, but imo technique + support wise Seungkwan is still the best also because he improved too over the time and is less airy and more grounded, he also has a better mobility. They're both great and have different voices, DK pulls ahead thanks to his powerful voice and great falsetto, Seungkwan pulls ahead with high notes and technique.
woww this is the best video about svt’s vocals that ive watched. thank you for taking the time to really study their voices well. im so proud of my bias seungkwan for being placed at #1 like yessss king.
In defense of Vernon please take a listen to Bout You and If You Leave Me from their new FTS album. You can hear so much control in his voice, it's a gem
I don't know why but for me Dk is first on SVT because his voice is clean and very much stable. You can just close your eyes and listen to him. Like you said Dk is naturally better. Although Seungkwan can reach a very high note, I really find DK's voice as number 1.
i was wondering why there weren't more comments before realizing this video was uploaded hours ago. i'm looking forward to more of your uploads, i'm excited to hear you rank a female group's vocals.
this was amazing! i enjoyed hearing your informed opinions about these talented boys and their singing :’) it was especially nice to see someone appreciate the vocal abilities of all the members while recognizing their faults too. definitely interesting to see someone with similar opinions to me but with way more ability to prove their opinions lol!! ty again 💗❄️
Pretty much ranked them the same. Dino is getting better and better though so I think he'll climb higher up the list in time. Also, I can't decide between DK and Seungkwan. Both are technically fantastic but they keep making Boo sing higher than his supported range (the way he pushes in Pretty You is scary). DK as Arthur in Xcalibur though! 🥰
omg i just started stanning svt a few days ago and this is really helping me getting to know what their abilities are esp bc vocals is such an important aspect for me in liking a group ❤️❤️❤️ thank you, sam!
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I did check the comments, so it doesn’t look like that anyone told you that Hoshi was originally in the Vocal Unit when they were originally planning the unit organizations. Him and Woozi were in each other’s units before they switched and became the leader of their respective units
I know I had heard that somewhere recently. And that to me absolutely makes sense and I can see it.
so truee :(
How interesting! I didn't know that either, and I can see it too, Woozi does seem to be the best dancer after the 4 performance team members
If only the members can be in 2/multiple units, their talents will clearly shine.
@@ladyleenlapatis7721 ikr, but at least most members have a second focus.
Now I know why BooSeokSoon never seems to shut up. They need to show off their beautiful voices. 😂
Hoshi will be extremely elated if he watches this video
minnu kanakala hahah “naega hosh”
Maria John i can hear me saying it in my head
He really would be 😭
He does have an amazing vocal tone though
This vid is amazinngg!!!
Check out Jun's vocals when he's singing in Chinese. He's more comfortable singing with his mother tongue and his falsetto is precious!
Scoups was originally trained to be a vocal, but he fell in love with HipHop. His voice is indeed powerful!!! I love it.
And yess... Hoshi, despite being SVT performance leader, is the 6th secret member of seventeen vocal team. His position is lead vocal... And yes, it blew my mind when I learned this.
You mean "6th" ?
@@hey_johnnyy aww yeah. 6th. Thanks~ hehehe
the only problem that i find about soonyoung’s voice is that his voice tends to strain in the higher ranges and he gets pretty shouty when he tries to force a high note. but he is a great vocalist anyways and the best lead vocalist svt could ask for, along with jihoon.
The only reason Hoshi isn’t in the vocal team is because his first and main skill is his outstanding dancing abilities. A lead vocalist being the leader of the performance team, Hoshi is truly an all-rounder and so amazing ❣️.
Moon junwhi voice calms me down really, it's like a softy and blowing fall wind to me❤
“He’s been documented to do really high notes as well as whistle tones”
**flashbacks to one fine day high note battle**
Omg I remember seeing that someone on Instagram but haven’t found the whole video on RUclips! What show was it on again?
@@AB-rl8iz it's "One Fine Day" ep 4 :
ruclips.net/video/tUNWkdgmOA8/видео.html
@@cassorie ooh thank you so much! Have a lovely day!
People always say DK is #1 and I can see that because he has a good vocal color. And his tone is just so attractive. But Seungkwan always had better technique, their trainers always say so. However, in seventeen’s eyes they’re both equal.
It's funny but I always hear and read that Seungkwan vocal is #1. So, don't worry) For example, I prefer dk's voice and vocal, but I understand Seungkwan is somewhere better
@@jejudo7434 watch seventeen project. It’s a reality show about their debut.
it’s weird i see people often alternate and say that one is better than the other
@@el.c.8858 just goes to show how equally talented they are.
Took the words right out off my mouth! I completely agree
EXO’s Chen even mentioned Seungkwan when he was asked to name “vocalists he approves of”
- Try looking up Jun's high notes in 24/7 and Lilili Yabbay? Also, check out his vocals on the Chinese show CYZJ!
- Fun fact - S. Coups was originally a vocal!!
- Hoshi is an amazing singer and that is a Fact - I once thought he was DK in my first listen of a song, he is THAT GOOD so it's great to see you acknowledge that!
- GO DK GO DK GO DK GO DK (if you've watched their Pretty U special stage you know exactly what this refers to and will be hearing them chanting in your head as you read this lol)
- SEUNGKWAN IS MY BIAS AND THAT IS FOR A HELLA GOOD REASON (if you can't tell, I was fangirl squealing during all of his singing clips and most, if not all, of his entire section.)
IN PRETTY U STAGE THE DK FANCHANTS KEEPS ON LOOPING IN MY HEAD
Yessssssssssss
Shattermirror I think you mean falsetto for Jun’s “high notes” but nonetheless, Jun is a vocal king
I can hear GO DK on my head like, on loop
Shattermirror jun’s notes in lilili yabbay aren’t really high notes they way you normally think. It’s falsetto.
Dk's voice is my favorite of Seventeen
이말라니 same with me, it’s just a little easier to listen to for me. But Boo is still an absolute legend
@@CuriousLabs05 I know he goes into falsetto most of the time.. Never really heard him strain tho??
@@CuriousLabs05 OK you're just a dk's hater
I see you bring him down in all comments and replies
if you don't like to see us praise his vocal just go away
and for seungkwan no one say bad things about his vocal because we know that he is a vocal king along with dk
so shut up
@@CuriousLabs05 not really his high notes seem stable
@@keeks4914 Yes and Joshua too use falsetto to sing.. His specialty is to use falsetto technique to sing.. That's why he gets the most bridge part of the song to sing.
I'm really sorry about explaining my thing but i just want to include joshua because he uses the same technique.😅
If you haven't heard the song Trauma by the Hip Hop unit, Mingyu's vocals are pretty awesome in that! Nothing too technical but very unique
Ugh
That’s one of my fave songs 🥴
Dk stability while doing high notes while dancing never fails to amaze me. He is so consistent that when I see their live performances I’m always ALWAYS surprised, it’s crazy
Wonwoo caught me off guard too when he sang. Like oh my god i didnt expected to love his singing voice this much
I love how DK's voice always sounds so effortless
I wish Wonwoo could have some more vocal training. His singing voice will add a great flavour to SVT songs. And Jun as well, he seems love singing.
yeah I love his voice!
SO TRUEEEE
You did my ult group I'm so thankful!
DK is #1 for me but I I trust your judgement and reasoning and see your points a lot more compared to other RUclipsrs.
Can you try maybe doing NCT 127 or NCT Dream, preferably 127?
I'm definitely going to learn NCT 127, and do them, alot of people have requested them!
I was going to request nct 127 too haha and then I saw your comment 😂
@@sambradley8297 Thank you so much!
OMG did'n know S.coups had that voice. THE POTENTIAL
You commenting on how woozi can't get super loud or powerful and relating it to his height made me think of Pentagon's Jinho. He's one of my favourite vocalists (incredible range, versatility and technique, really good at conveying emotion through his voice, just in general a powerhouse all-rounder) and also around Woozi's height
Yes jinho is one of the best vocalists! He is sooo good and would be cool if he could rank pentagon aswell
Oh yes Jinho,king!
The same thing can be said about Jun: he has a wonderful falsetto, as you can hear in "Home" and has some covers you should listen to.
I’d agree that Seungkwan is the best technically for vocals. You can tell he’s been singing for a long time and is always improving. A lot of the straining I heard from him was when they first debuted but I don’t hear it anymore.
Seungkwan’s voice was made for ballads, when I hear him in them I just wanna cry (in a good way lmao) also I actually prefer his vocal tone over DK’s, contrary to a lot of the comments, however in more upbeat songs i feel dk executes better
DK is for sure more versatile in terms of genres and he excels in high energy songs. But SK's technique is margenly superior. DK is just blessed with a naturally more maliable voice.
@@sambradley8297 But I hope people can appreciate Kwannie's vocal more. Like many fans said Kwan is better only because he has a better technique. But when he sings, he brings so much emotion in his singing that is just so beautiful to me. His masked singer performance just moved me so much~
Seungkwan has the best technique in SVT I think
I agree
I do agree that SK has better technique in general... but is just me or is his voice starting to strain because of all those high notes... A part of me wishes for SVT to stop singing pretty you or maybe rearrange the song because of the potential damage it could cause SK's voice. Promise i am not hating, more of a little worried... Thanks for the great review. Cheers!!!
Its possible he is straining, to be honest with the head dominant mix he uses, he should always be pretty stable for that note.
I wrote a comment before reading yours and pretty much said the same thing. Lol.
he did stop some time, i guess to recover and get better at not hurting himself
His voice is more suitable for regular singing and dk's voice sounds more natural and more suitable for high notes
I think he can sound strained because at that point in the performance he's been dancing for a while.
The comment section is so embarrassing. I wish I never bumped into this video.Before watching any vocal ranking videos , I felt svt and the fandom as a safe place.But sadly it is not now.The amount of carats willing to disrespect and trashtalk seungkwan to praise dk is so sad .Dk is an angel and he definitely does not need some stans in this comment section.
Dk stans are so annoying. They are close to be his akgae
My oppinion
1. Seungkwan obviously cuz his techniques and voice is a bit higher than dk
2. Dk i love his voice a lot and yes his a power house of the vocal
3. Obviously Woozi i love his adlibs
4. Hoshi not because he's my bias but hoshi has that voice and range that any producer can play with his voice
5. Joshua I think too that Joshua is 5th among seventeen vocal cuz after listening their rocket song i convinced with his ability of techniques
6. Jeonghan his voice is the charm
7. Jun i think that what he played videos were his low vocals but i think jun has very unique voice but mostly sings in low but has higher vocal range than it seems cuz his Chinese version of dwc and lilili yabbay i think his range is higher than it seems
8. Scoups he's main rapper but yeah he got accepted in the company with his singing so he has that vocal Techniques and range but not up than jun i think that.
9. Wonwoo
10. Dino
11.the8
12. mingyu
13. Vernon
Nice video and comments towards vocals keep it up👍👍
You should also listen to 2minus1, double take, bss's 7pm and lauv's kids are born stars her voice is very versatile
YES I’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS FOREVER THANK YOU SO MUCH I’m a singer myself and I love learning more about this kind of stuff and seeing other people’s opinions on it!!!
Thank you very much for the kind reply!
Samuel Bradley yess of course!! I totally agree with your ranking and Seventeen is one of my ult groups so thank you for this!!
to me, dokyeom’s unreal agility is what edges him out as a better vocalist than seungkwan (although they are both exceptional)
@@CuriousLabs05 G4 you mean? No male kpop idol can even be resonant past C5 lol and seungkwan only supports G#4
Have you ever heard the song Rocket? Vernon actually sings most of the vocals in that song. Also if you ever seen the parts switch Vernon actually sang Woozi's part in Change up. However Vernon really prefers to be a rapper he was originally chosen as a member of the Performance Unit but asked to be switched to the Hip Hop Unit.
DK: sings
People in audience: *SHOOK*
seungkwan too, but the audience was more touched than shocked :"
Again, pretty spot on with the ranking 💯 Mingyu and Wonwoo to me are truly SVT’s biggest untapped potentials, in terms of vocal abilities. They just need more confidence and proper technique training, and they’ll go up the ranks for sure. You should check out Mingyu’s solo track ‘Like the Beginning’, he has a very creamy and soothing vocal tone that can really go places with a bit more range and consistency. Wonwoo’s voice is truly a gem - he’s evidently more confident at showcasing his vocals more than Mingyu, which means that he is already off to a good start. His soulful singing style has a lot of emotive potential that would sound amazing in ballads.
As for the main vocals, I personally prefer DK’s vocals because as you’ve pointed out, he is extremely versatile and an absolute powerhouse. His voice naturally allows him to do a lot more things and his vocal stamina is literally insane. But yes, Seungkwan is more technically skilled given the type of voice that he has. With his position as the main vocal and the kinds of singing that he has to do, his voice evidently wears off slightly more often than DK.
Great ranking tho!
Wonwoo if given d chance can kill it with his voice
Seems like you predicted the future bcz minwon has song tgt and it's a ballad song 😅
Thank you for this! Remember, he's talking about technique and vocal pedagogy. Not stylistic preferences.
omg thiss
hoshi, the underrated vocal 🤧❤ but he is getting the attention he deserves!! I'm soo proud of you 😭😭
Pls listen to epik high song ft. hoshi titled "screen time" ;)
@@Hellokitty_391 yess! I listened to it and it’s so good
Joshua in 2 Minus 1 proves the point here
(I would say Joshua tends to use that tone more as hes more comfortable with it considering the stamina, image, practice sessions, default vocal technique over the years, etc.
As for jeonghan, that nasal feminine tone is like his voice itself - its not that he doesn't change it enough or thay hes more comfortable with it - even when he raps or sings more upbeat songs, his method of portrayal changes but his voice itself essentially remains the same)
Personally, Woozi's and DK's voices are my favourites in Seventeen. I always appreciate your videos, keep doing you!
Meet too
Seungkwan :"
This would be my ranking:
1. DK
2. Seungkwan
3. Woozi
4. Hoshi
5. Joshua
6. Jeonghan
7. Scoups
8. Jun
9. Wonwoo
10. Dino
11. Mingyu
12. The8
13. Vernon
Found it hard to choose between Jun/Wonwoo and Dino/Mingyu/The8 but your ranking made so much sense
I’d switch DK and swungkwan
@@jacksonmerrill2499 I think they're very interchangeable. I would even say they're tied 😂
@@zuri3528 not in technique
would love for you to do an updated version of this video. a lot of them improved so much in these 3 years
I just recently started getting into Seventeen after watching Jun and The8 on CYZJ. I'm surprised how low Jun is ranked because his voice was one of my favorites from the show, but I guess it just goes to show how talented the other members are.
Fellow CARATS, please keep in mind that the clips included were probably not the only sources to inform the ranking. Given his very thorough and fair assessment, I’d say this guy has listened to many a recording of their vocal abilities and just chose some to include here. He also explicitly expresses that the members have potential to grow in their abilities, so it IS a snapshot of where they were when he posted. One thing I do wish he pointed out was the fact that SEVENTEEN often sings live and their choreographies are no joke. Some of the techniques that Seungkwan and DK employ are freaking hard just standing still. As a whole, SEVENTEEN is exceedingly above the average vocal skills of a kpop group.
Ive noticed that Seungkwan has now gotten better at doing the high note in pretty u. I was watching a few videos from their recent tour (one even from their page) and I noticed that the strain he had near the end of the note when they first performed the song is no longer there
I am a Jeonghan bias and I have to agree with you! Jeonghan sounds great when he's within his range but he lacks versatility, I hope he'll be able to develop his vocal technique and really shines. There's this thing about Jeonghan that he can't scream, do you think it has anything to do with his vocal overall that makes him not being able to connect with his chest voice?
By the way I hope to see your ranking on Apink's vocal! They've just had their latest comeback I think there's gonna be a whole lot of materials for you to check out. Apink's got great vocalists but Eunji's really famous for her voice so I'm really curios about your thoughts on the rest of the girls!
Also a jeonghan bias, and personally I would put him a bit above Joshua because I think he’s a bit more expressive in his singing in general, I think he is starting to figure out connecting to chest voice too! Like the bit he has in hit with s.Coups, while layered, still shows the beginning to some power. I just think he isn’t getting opportunities to work on that with their part distributions/ maybe is nervous about seeking it out. I really hope he can take that road cause I adore his singing and want to hear some solo stuff from him (honestly give everybody solos, I need it)
Shelby Moore Around 2015 2016 he was very shy and kinda insecure about his voice/singing ability. I remember him saying he'd only sing alone in the bathroom and didn't want to sing in public. Lately he's been more confident, having duets and solos and now a cover, I'm just so proud of his growth. I hope he'll venture out even more.
@@yodoquynh5597 awwhhh me too! what song did he cover?
@@skmo1004 he covered the song In my room by Yun Ddan Ddan!!
this video just made me even prouder of seungkwan and seokmin
Mingyu and Dino have improved a lot in the last three years!
Face the Sun did so much for showing everyone’s vocal improvement, I really hope you liked the record, great video!
i can’t choose between Seungkwan and DK for become the best one in vocal.. Seungkwan’s voice always makes me goosebumps while DK’s voice always makes me melting.. this duo thou *chef’s kiss 👌🏻
Yess Hoshi's voice is spectacular.
I thought I was the only one who put Boo over DK lol
SO happy to see Woozi (my bias) and Hoshi high on this list
I like how you explained why you put each member in each ranking, it was really interesting to watch. I strongly believe that if s.coups had been trained in vocals instead of rap, he would’ve placed higher, because s.coups got into pledis by singing.
nevertheless, dk's voice is my favourite
Same 👍
I know the ranking is already done but I thought i'd drop some members who are foreign singing in their mother tongue as i think their singing at least tonally changes slightly
(though warning i'm not a musician at all so these clips may not add anything ;-;)
*Joshua*
Joshua - Breakeven ruclips.net/video/07hpl2l_2DQ/видео.html
Joshua - Just like a star ruclips.net/video/w_5MaCk4sog/видео.html
Joshua [&Woozi] - Sunday morning ruclips.net/video/JJfiXzuORaA/видео.html
*Jun*
Vocal unit & China line - 那些年 ruclips.net/video/GIwxmk6PIFc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/GIwxmk6PIFc/видео.html
Jun - I'm sorry I love you ruclips.net/video/Cd3_YqMUmuQ/видео.html
Jun - Crazy for you ruclips.net/video/zqaKryi6CVc/видео.html
Jun's Lilil Yabbay falsetto as a bonus ruclips.net/video/1G-tlC8DsDY/видео.html
Jun - The night is too dark ruclips.net/video/F5-voxaBgVM/видео.html
Jun - Reflection of desire ruclips.net/video/7AjTq6yeMO8/видео.html
*The8*
Vocal unit & China line - 那些年 ruclips.net/video/GIwxmk6PIFc/видео.html
The8 - Dreams come true ruclips.net/video/WqWyyjJm3YE/видео.html
The8 - Night and rain
- The8 mostly raps in Chinese so its hard to find clips**
Also in relation to Vernon's vocal confidence he was on one of those kid talent shows ruclips.net/video/a-g1PpkPUFM/видео.html when he was younger, sang and got kinda harshly criticized along the lines of you have no talent for singing [like in fairness to the judge Vernon wasn't good but the way it was phrased was apparently quite cold] Ironically they did a stage together years later with Vernon rapping and that judge [G.O.D's Kim Taewoo] singing
pannative.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-stage-that-will-make-you-literally.html
you should do an updated version! lately i think minghao, joshua, and dino have improved A LOT
Mingyu as well
S.coups vocal is so underrated, wish he got more singing voice
Yes it's true that #1 is Seungkwan and #2 is DK. I love DK and Woozi's voice the most but Seungkwan's tech is really the best of SVT
Jun's voice is simply beautiful. I am sad that they didn't use it much on their svt songs. I also think that Jun loves singing more than dancing. I watched a show where he covered songs and it really sounded pleasant and clean. His voice invokes so much emotions. Even without understanding the language or the lyrics, the message that the song tried to convey resonates to those who hear it. Jun is known for his falsetto but I think that's not what his strong point really is. He can go higher, he has a technique and proper control. Maybe if he debuted as a vocal unit member, they would show us more of that. I can't forget that voice. I often watched his singing rather than his dancing, and as I check svt songs, I can't really hear Jun. I wish for him to join a Korean singing contest like Seungkwan, DK and Hoshi when they wore a mask. I hope that many people can finally see this side of Jun. I wish lots of people will also hear what I hear, will also feel what I felt and will also witness what I witnessed.
Dk voice is my favorite in svt his voice is the most attractive and he hits the notes easily without staining, I love Seungkwan voice too but he would come in close second for me
jun is very good with falsettos you should check out his cover of i’m sorry i love you because that song showed his vocal range 🧡
My opinion
1. DK (i really love his voice . So comfortable, high notes)
2. SEUNGKWANG (emotional , high notes)
3. WOOZI (so soft yet powerful)
4. HOSHI (unique voice)
5. JEONGHAN (angelic voice)
6. SCOUPS ( so soft for the main rapper,the fact that he auditioned for vocal,OK HE IS MY BIAS)
7. WONWOO (so deep,im getting emotional)
8. JOSHUA (so soft,beautiful.)
9. DINO (ok he can do everything.dance,sing,rap)
10. JUN (very very soft,falseto)
11. THE8 (cute .)
12. VERNON
13. MINGYU
IN CONCLUSION ,,, THEY ALL CAN SINGGGGGGGGGGGG . THEY CAN DANCE , RAP, SING .
STAN TALENT
U put a G on the end of Seungkwan haha
@@stanseventeencowards5185 haha i dont even notice that ...
@@carathae7983 Sorry I didn't meant to be picky btw, we can call him Seungkwang from now on 😂
@@stanseventeencowards5185 HAHA SEUNGKWANG suits him a lot .
@@carathae7983 Yes 🤣 my new bias in Seungkwang. Who's Seungkwan? Don't know him
"Joshua and Jeonghan are very very similar" I laughed. Yes they are, in more ways than one lmao, there's a reason why they're called the twins.
Anways, as a Jjongjjongiefan (Jeonghan stan), I have to comment that I think that Scoups has a better technique than Jeonghan (and Joshua). In his earlier days, Jeonghan had really bad breathing technique, making him often lose breath when doing harder choreos in the middle of a song. Also his pitch control used to be wobbly back in the day. Joshua does not have these hurdles; his voice is fuller, rounder, and it's more powerful maybe due to his better breathing technique.
They've both improved a lot though, Jeonghan especially, now being center often.
was really surprised you didn't talk about juns falsetto at all! (not sure if that's technically the right term, but it's what I've heard others use to describe it) id highly recommend his vocals in lilili yabbay, moonwalker and the Chinese version of thanks he did
honestly even if it didn't change your ranking it would have been nice to see you acknowledge it in your justification. still liked the video though, it was really interesting to hear your thoughts :3
I keep hearing about this lilli yabbay song, so I checked out a jun focus of it. And I honestly didn't really hear or notice anything from it, I may have to listen again, but yeah on first listen I didn't see a great deal, but I keep hearing about Jun's falsetto, so maybe I missed something.
the videos used were from years ago, their vocals rn has improved SO MUCH.
I mostly agree with your opinion. In my untrained ears, Seungkwan and DK are excellent vocalists, while Hoshi and Woozi show some vocal skills. On the other hand, no offense to Jeonghan and Joshua but I feel like their vocal skills leave a lot to desire because I think their mixing is non-existent and their supported range is quite weak for lead vocalists.
imo the gap between Seung-DK and Jeong-Joshua is too big that I wish Jeong-Joshua trains harder to close the gap. The problem is it's quite hard to watch live performances in Kpop these days as every performance has a certain percentage of backtrack, causing vocalists to slack off and viewers to judge their true vocal skills.
I’ve never agreed with a comment more. Jeonghan’s and Joshua’s voices are very pleasant and they’re good singers, but there is quite a noticeable difference between them and boo and dk in majority of their songs. I do get surprised by Joshua’s falsetto sometimes tho.
Since I only see people comparing Dk's tone to Seungkwan's technique, I just want to say that Seungkwan's tone and colour has always been my favourite. His voice is so pretty and raspy so he is number 1 for me.
thank you so much for the beautiful and realistic analysis of seventeen's vocalization. I respect your ranking.
Thank you very much 😊
As a multifandom kpop fan, I've been thoroughly enjoying these videos. You seem to really know what you're talking about. Looking forward to watching other of my faves being discussed. Will you do bands as well, such as Day6, Onewe and The Rose?
I may do in the future yes, thank you very much for watching and enjoying!
You're too nice, really, if I got that many people in my comments trying to make a point that *insert name* is better than *insert name 2* because of *absolutely biased opinions with no technical basis* I'd be driven insane lmao. Bless you, really.
I agree tbh but people have their opinions
Cateyy07 yeah they do but they’re irrelevant in this particular topic. He’s analyzing technical abilities, which are skills, which aren’t subjective. There’s a little opinion involved, ofc, like when two vocalists have similar skills but one has something he values more, but in general people in the comments are amateurs who shouldn’t rly have a say in that. Im saying this as a singer myself who is always trying to develop my technique.
@@Arda-bz5je yeah.. It seems that people will always be biased on who they think sounds better
For me Dk has a better technique than Seungkwan because he doesn't strain his vocals like Boo idk but it's just mine personal opinion
I agree, his voice is always very powerfull and full whatever note he’s doing
I agree with you DK sounds way more comfortable and has better technique in more areas imo
sometimes when seungkwan sings high notes it sounds like something is stuck in his throat and he has slight issues with projection but seokmin is consistent and has a clearer tone
Agreed. I’ve heard Seungkwan go flat sometimes because of his tendency to pull chest voice, but DK is always on pitch. I’ve never once heard him go sharp or flat, but of course I could be wrong. They’re both phenomenal though, so it’s really all semantics.
Deanne Bramers I agree Seungkwan’s projection when belting isn’t as good as Dokyeom’s it feels like it’s always near the limit.
I feel like Seventeen are so famous for their dancing that their vocals and rap get overlooked, but to be able to sing that well and be that stable while dancing such insanely difficult choreo is beyond impressive to me. Seungkwan's voice is my favourite because it's so rich and full, but DK's voice is gorgeous too 💓
I think Jun was too low on this list.
I agree, it shocked me a bit. I expected he would be in the top 7 at least.
His voice is unique but his technique is not that good. He needs some more improvements
@@AnnikaLHipir I think based on the videos of Jun he showed, that it's not an accurate depiction of his vocal capability. No real or covers or even his solo live performances, which i think show more of his range. Especially his falsettos in Lilili Yabbay or 24/7.
his has an overall really good voice (showed in that one performance team perf) but he needs to work on his technique, so i could put him #9?
For me seventeen is one of the best group that has an amazing vocal, maybe individually their voice sound good but together they sounds like angels singing.
they’re one of the most all rounded groups
Vernon being last just proves how good they are vocally
They’ve really improved a lot the past few years, it’s amazing to see their growth
DK and Seungkwan are first to me. I can't really decide cause they have different points. Their both are so talented I love them so much. DK is a powerhouse and his falsettos/head voice are better and Seungkwan is better at belts. But DK sang Seungkwan's notes in Clap and Very Nice and he did those so perfectly. I think he just doesn't use that part of his voice yet. I think he will get better over time. He also joined as a lead actor on XCalibur and after he got even better and stronger. And I also think some people prefer power over technique and some prefer technique over power. And every note that DK hits sound perfectly by tone in my opinion and I've never seen him strain more than couple of times. He's better at those for me. But Seungkwan obvs better at belting rn. He is also amazing.
I agree
Would you like to do a second vocal ranking of seventeen?
contrary to popular opinions, to me, jun...... *deserves* his current place because of a few things. while i'm completely aware that yes, he's got a beautiful voice, beautiful falsetto, amazing when he sings in chinese, i also believe that what he still needs to work on is mainly his placement. take a look at his solo cover: i'm sorry i love you, where he practically *shines* in his middle range/area with his voice, but when he goes higher, he starts belting with a very nasal placement, and while it works just fine, i think this is the main issue that kind of *limits* him in doing more things with his vocals. so yeah, jun's still a pretty good singer and i believe he would be able to get even more amazing if he keeps on practicing and improving!^^
p.s: i'm kind of throwing vocal terms frivolously here n there, so if there's anything pls cmiiw^^
I know right😔
People are sleeping on him
The way he says "wonwu" instead of "wonu" is really cute tho :))
Thankyou. We need more of this content 💕
Is the n not pronounced. Damn, oh well, I haven't heard it said out loud very much haha
The n IS pronounced. Not the second w. It's Won rhymes with Ron ooh
Vernon was joking in the first clip, he wasn't trying to sing hahdhahs
If Seungkwan hasn't developed his mixed then him and DK are pretty interchangeable, it just that Seungkwan's mixed makes them apart, their lower and upper register are quite the same in terms of development.
1. Seungkwan has a supported range of Eb3-G#4/A4. People might say he's straining more than DK because Seungkwan singing in the 5th octave more than DK. He has resonance that something DK doesn't have yet. He's underrated vocally, many people/carats usually put him below DK.
2. Dokyeom has a supported range of D3/Eb3-F#4/G4. He's not straining as much as Seungkwan because higher notes are usually given to Seungkwan since he usually using his falsetto to reach those notes to avoid strain. He's also singing in a narrow range it's like he's limiting his voice. I like his vocal color the most in Seventeen.
3. Woozi >= Hoshi >= Joshua
4. Jeonghan
Agree, some carats discredit seungkwan's ability just because they prefer Dk's voice when there's a noticeable gap between them. Dk is kinda overrated technically.
thissssss
No hate to DK but agreed. There is a reason why Seungkwan got most of the praise as main vocal during their 17 debut project show. But DK is a great vocal nonetheless.
oh god thanks for speaking my mind. When I first heard Boo and Seokmin's voice, it's Boo's attracted me more than Seokmin tho Seokmin's voice sounds more clean and natural. I like how Kwan puts a special layer of emotion into his singing, it's something that I can't feel from Seokmin, but I think it's really up to preference. It's sad some comments about Kwan come off a bit harsh on him. He def improved a lot as well. Im happy to see many professional vocal coaches recognizing Kwan's talent and techniques as he deserves.
You know how insanely good svt vocals are when two main vocalists can be both the 1st.
@Pinkii Lights Actually the third member I feel having the "potential" to be a well-developed vocalist is Dino. He has shown pretty decent use of technique in my opinion. It's just his passion is more on dancing (the best dancer in kpop after all), so hasn't spent time on real training in singing. He can rap very well too. He's only 21.
This man needs more recognition seriously.
as a hansol (vernon) stan who sings,, tysm for this 🥺🥺 including officially missing you was so nice to see and i’ve been riding for his vocal ability (albeit limited) it makes me so happy to see someone appreciate his ability !!!
I agree that Seungkwan’s vocal range is the best in seventeen, but I think DK’s voice has more flavor which makes it unique.
@@CuriousLabs05 op just said dk’s voice has more flavour lmfao nothing about the technique
@hammy you seem like a dk hater. What's wrong with you? In every comment praising dk, you are giving the same reply.
31:12 I'm so glad you added this! That seemed like the best display of seungkwan's vocal capabilities to me.
Thank you for this professional unbiased ranking.
Sometimes people have some sort of problem with objectively saying someone is better than someone else and confusing that with liking someone more than someone else. So I appreciate this a lot.
I HAVE A LOT TO SAY.
But first, THANK YOU!
I will only comment on DK and Seungkwan
Tbh, you can interchange them in their ranks because of two reasons;
1. DK may be lacking less in technique compared to Seungkwan, BUT, the consistency is MASSIVE! You can count in your fingers the only times he slipped in support or had hiccups in technique. Yes he may have a harder time to hit Seungkwan's notes because he's a bit lacking, but his consistency in his supported range(especially in the upper range) is crazy. After all, consistency is one hell of a requirement as a better singer.
2. Seungkwan really blows DK away with his technique. But he's always going in and out technique. He drops support like crazy. I get disappointed sometimes but when he slays, HE SLAYS! It's true he really has a better technique but then if not fully utilized may be a bit of a problem.
So I agree that you can interchange them depending on what perspective you look on to.
Love your all analysis of the groups so far. I know you are only doing groups that you are familiar with and I don't know if you listen to Pentagon, but if not can you please consider doing a video on them in the future?
And also possibly NCT, Shinee, and Super Junior.
Seungkwan is my first choice. FOREVER AND EVER! 😊
You should check The8’s new song Falling down. He released it a couple of weeks ago and his vocals are amazing!!! I love your videos and I love the way you are explaining the reasonings behind the positions!
OMG, I can't agree more with your ranking, literally I have to clap my hands whenever their pictures reveal. Even though Mingyu is my bias, I personally love Hoshi's unique tone so so much, it touches my heart every single time. Follow by DK and S.coups and Woozi, I adore their voices from the bottom of my heart. I don't think it would make any change in your ranking but Vernon can hit some high notes (accidentally LOL) when he isn't joking around. And Mingyu's solo song "Like the Beginning" also show his improvement. Jun's highnotes in Lilili Yabbay are phenomenal and Minghao can sing in lower range in his solo stage in a Chinese program. I glad that they put efforts to improve their singing abilities. I put the links below for you to check out :)
Mingyu - Like the beginning
ruclips.net/video/WC6vFBTeqfE/видео.html
Woozi - What kind of future
ruclips.net/video/98xgWVaipo0/видео.html
The8 - Dreams come true
ruclips.net/video/pxTL3o9tJTo/видео.html
I think above all I love DK's voice
Please do monsta x
Need a 2022 update
It's been a while since I listened to Seventeen and now I miss them! Going to start listening to them again🤗. Also, S. Coups was major shock for me too. How did I not know about his voice?? Thanks for letting me discover my new bias wrecker
Since these were done 2 years ago…. I do fell things have changed in terms of DK’s skill. Since being in the musical DK’s singing and technique have significantly improved. Seungkwan is still very good but I felt in this last 2 years, DKs agility and interchangeably change from one pitch to another effortlessly. I give DK a slight edge overall.
I very much agree with this.. it's insane how much he has improved over these past 2 years
DK has always been very good at switching pitches, but imo technique + support wise Seungkwan is still the best also because he improved too over the time and is less airy and more grounded, he also has a better mobility. They're both great and have different voices, DK pulls ahead thanks to his powerful voice and great falsetto, Seungkwan pulls ahead with high notes and technique.
woww this is the best video about svt’s vocals that ive watched. thank you for taking the time to really study their voices well. im so proud of my bias seungkwan for being placed at #1 like yessss king.
In defense of Vernon please take a listen to Bout You and If You Leave Me from their new FTS album. You can hear so much control in his voice, it's a gem
No hate but i think DK is always my no.1 😍
Stan Talent
Stan Seventeen
Stan Seokmin
yess i agree 200% with you
totally think Jun should have been higher, i wish his voice got more exposure in SVT songs so people would see it! 😁
I don't know why but for me Dk is first on SVT because his voice is clean and very much stable. You can just close your eyes and listen to him. Like you said Dk is naturally better. Although Seungkwan can reach a very high note, I really find DK's voice as number 1.
As a Hoshi stan I was just sitting there waiting until my bias came up and I was so confused😂😂😂
Can you do day6 next
Check out Jun's Chinese cover of thank you. It shows more of his vocals then we ever see in seventeens songs
i was wondering why there weren't more comments before realizing this video was uploaded hours ago. i'm looking forward to more of your uploads, i'm excited to hear you rank a female group's vocals.
this was amazing! i enjoyed hearing your informed opinions about these talented boys and their singing :’) it was especially nice to see someone appreciate the vocal abilities of all the members while recognizing their faults too. definitely interesting to see someone with similar opinions to me but with way more ability to prove their opinions lol!! ty again 💗❄️
1. DK
2. Seungkwan
3. Woozi
4. Hoshi
5. Joshua
6. Jeonghan
7. S.Coups
8. Jun
9. Wonwoo
10. Dino
11. The8
12. Mingyu
13. Vernon
Ariiq Akbar 21 I would switch Jun with S.Coups
Edna Mode just made your own rank lol
Ariiq Akbar 21 no we basically have the same ranking but that’s who I would switch
Pretty much ranked them the same. Dino is getting better and better though so I think he'll climb higher up the list in time. Also, I can't decide between DK and Seungkwan. Both are technically fantastic but they keep making Boo sing higher than his supported range (the way he pushes in Pretty You is scary). DK as Arthur in Xcalibur though! 🥰
omg i just started stanning svt a few days ago and this is really helping me getting to know what their abilities are esp bc vocals is such an important aspect for me in liking a group ❤️❤️❤️ thank you, sam!