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Fooling around with S470 and Guitar Rig 5
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- It's super late, but I find myself firing up the camera to give a quick demo of my new (used) Ibanez S470TR and some of the new patches in Guitar Rig 5. Unlike my TH2 video where all of the patches were made from scratch, this one uses the presets in the new Guitar Rig. The patches use mostly the new Soldano model, but there's a split rig that uses the UltraSound (which is based on the Bogner Ubershall).
Now I got to get to bed!! G'nite!!
THIS is why I play guitar ! Smile on your face and clearly loving playing all those classic riffs. Puts me in a good mood and makes me wanna pick up my guitar every time I watch.
Great channel, great tones,great playing :-)
phil parr rock on brother! \m/
I'm planning to get a S470, so I'm looking it up and asking a dear friend of mine who's had Ibanez guitars for years. This review helps a lot especially since you play around with its sound; good job.
Big ups for playing "Earache my eye"!
you are a pure dude
i thought this in the first 3 seconds. I wanna be friends with this guy
@3:00"My mama talkin to me trying to tell me how to live!!!" hahaha right on brother, thats actually the world's most killer riff
My favorite part of playing guitar is getting a song down or even experimental songs, putting new strings on, and listening on a clean channel with LOTS of reverb. That Crystal clear, soft warm sound on the neck pickups just puts me at peace.
Great demo. I wish you lived closer. I could learn so much from you. ROCK ON!
You are the proud father of a bouncing baby S470. It is sweet. I have one too, I just refinished it and deciding about new pickups. I didn't get the edge zero tremolo but installed an original Floy Rose from a Charvelle Charvette, works well.
@EL34XYZ That is correct. The signal from the mixer to and from the computer is via Tascam TDIF (their failed version of ADAT). But you're correct, I do use a small ART preamp (the cheap $29 one) to set the levels. Before I used the preamp, I couldn't get the guitar hot enough without overdriving the channel bus. The preamp allows me to get a hotter signal without the unwanted distortion. I'm preparing a video to show my rig, so that should explain it in more detail.
Love that guitar....so sleek looking! Holy sh*t, when you hit those first few notes....WOw I am so jealous of that awesome sound! I would never leave my basement if I ever was so fortunate to have that magic at my fingertips! Awesome, awesome awesome sound! Excellent playing by the way!
What an amazingly fascinating and awesome video! Subscribed! :)
I've had my s470dxqm for about ten years now and continues to be my "main workhorse." Has factory middle pickup with paf in the neck and Seymour Duncan Screamin Demon in the bridge. Sounds killer! Keep rockin bro!
This video made me happy, this software setup is exactly what i have wanted to have when learning to play guitar. Having many options for sound allows the inspiration to be endless
Couldnt agree more. I didnt even know this software existed and i've been using guitar pro 5 for years.
@ransisua Thanks!! These are all factory presets with no changes at all. They're from the "New in GR5" section of presets.
Your take on "Thank You" was just gorgeous, man...You blow me away every time I watch your vids. You're like the family guy just fooling around late at night, and yet your playing is flat-out PROFESSIONAL.
You sir, made my day just now hearing you do Balls to the Wall riff.. I have loved Accept since that Album came out.. and got to see them in 85 was just amazing..
I thought i'd get my 1994 Japanese built S470 out the other day having not played it for years. Man! Why did I ever put it away ? It's an awesome little guitar. Totally seeing again what I saw in it when I bought it new.
@HiOctane62 Thanks Shawn! I've been meaning to play a few Kiss riffs, but I always space out when the camera is rolling. That patch reminds me of the Anthrax cover of She on the Kiss My Ass tribute album.
@DJordydj I'm not familiar with that software, but most DAW recorders have a pass-thru or audition feature. I'm just using the stand-alone version of the software when I record most of these. When I try to run it in real-time within Sonar, I gain a little latency and lose the stereo effects, so I stick with the stand-alone versions unless I absolutely need the other tracks at the moment.
@ThePiotr888888 Thanks!! I'm using an old Tascam PCI-822, but it's been long discontinued. Any ASIO-supported audio device will work, though.
Did this with my boy -- just supported whatever he wanted to do. Ended up wanting to play bass and has been just killing it the last year or so. Did his first gig a little over a week ago with a bunch of teens/pre-teens. Just keep playing and if he's into it, then great. If not, great! ;)
I just came across this by accident. I love your videos sir. Your tone is incredible and I am having a hard time finding guitar rig since its been discontinued apparently. I love your man cave. Mine isnt quite as good. Rock on!
Trevor Nelson its 199 on native-instruments
Steve you are a rock star. Thanks for sharing all the great videos!
@GingerSeansGuitar I run into a mixer, then out to the computer for the GR5 processing, then back to the mixer, and then out in stereo to the camera mic-in. That's the key to it right there, having a mic-in jack on the camera so I don't have to mic it live (which kills the tone and loses the stereo effects).
@maulty1 Thanks!! I think it's called X-Ray Heavy. It's patch 9 or 10 in the "New in GR5" bank.
that Balls to the Wall lick was really awesome to hear again Big Steve!! But nothing topped that Journey cover, that sounded nearly exactly the same as the studio cut!!
How come you never play any Rush or Triumph covers/licks? I know you must know several!!!
@rossgun1 Thanks! I'm still giving TH2 the edge for overall sound, but GR5 is a huge improvement over GR4. I think they tweaked the cab simulators and they may have even gone back to IRs for cab emulation. As you can hear, a lot of the GR stuff is very processed. Plus, GR is a little noisier and requires the gate to be a little higher (which will cut notes off sooner when letting them ring out).
@mzsteadicam Yo! I'm not sure if the ART will improve the sound, but it certainly help me get the levels a little better. My older stuff had a weaker input signal, so the amp simulators weren't working as well. The ART allowed me to step up the gain a little bit, just enough to get the amp simulators to respond better. I also noticed that it really helped with vocals, warming the signal up and adding a touch of compression. So, I think it will make a little difference, but not a huge one.
@EDIshames I use a Tascam PCI-822, which is long discontinued. The key is getting ASIO drivers for the hardware. If the hardware doesn't offer ASIO drivers, skip it. To get your generic PC audio to work, you can try ASIO-4-All. They can reduce latency by up to 90% on generic chips. Of course, a dedicated pro chipset is best, but in the meantime you can try ASIO4ALL (just do a Google search).
@OddTimeMan Thanks, OTM! Yeah, it's amazing how little details like that still remain from the music store era. I knew it was a great price, so I hopped right on it.
I shazamed 5:01 and got Piccola Stella Sensa Cielo - Ligabue, nice playing sir!
I just got a sweet deal at GC of that exact guitar. What do you find are good basic pickup heights for the stock V1 and V2 pups? I realize you replaced these after this video but I kind of like the sound of the stock pups in this video. I scored mine for $299 with ibanez Prestige case and its a solid 8/10 super clean!
What is the name of the preset that you are getting the "UltraSound" from? I haven't seen that one in my GR5 PRO. I do use the God's Love (Vai)preset which is similar, though.
Big user of GR4 and this is a great demo of the new sounds on 5. Rock on and thanks for taking the time to post!
@giosseppe Oh, and thanks for the kind words about my playing. Much appreciated. And no, I'm not using the control board, just the software. (I ran out of characters in the last response) And check out Atmosphere Git and Rocker Git patches. Pretty killer stuff.
@mzsteadicam Oops, ran out space. Anyway, a soundcard made for guitar (with a hi-z input) may help get the signal better. I think Line6 and M-Audio both make a USB box that has a hi-z input. Just be sure they have ASIO drivers, which really help with latency and overall quality.
That last tone is called "X-Ray Heavy" and it's in the bank of patches called "New in GR5." There's a bunch in there that are really good. I'm still with TH2 for my main amp, but GR5 is MUCH better than GR4.
@robdrums69 Absolutely. The patch is showing off the auto-pan, but it can be turned off with just a click.
only thing I noticed is the sound of the pick scrapping the strings... it seems to stand out little bit to much on certain spots... it's not terrible and the presets sounds pretty sweet.. but I've always noticed this when running a guitar straight through a interface, it just doesn't sound as clean... Usually I mic the amps, but in essence I sacrifice alot of variables I otherwise would have used. Is there anything that can be done about that scratching noise... it's not really noticeable when you played quickly... and I just got guitar rig 5 with komplete 10 but haven't really messed around with it at all.
Recently, I have read that some S470 models have sustain issues above the 12th fret. Ibanez made the S470 through several different revisions. The S470 was introduced in 1987; however, there were revisions for (1992-1999) and (2003-2009). The S470 was discontinued after that. My question is: Have you (or other guitarist who play the S470) experience sustain issues? If so, what model year? If they fixed the issue, what was done to fix it?
In my experience most S series guitars have sustain issues. I mean they're super thin, they're usually setup with light strings and use locking tremolos. Basically everyone of those things on their own affect sustain and when you combine them all together you have a sort of thinner tone with less sustain. Ibanez guitars are great but the S series for me had always been sort of a love hate. They look great , are comfortable but their tones always sort of lack that oomph that thicker guitars have. Put it side by side next to ANY thick bodied mahogany guitar and the S series sounds wimpy. Steve here is using Guitar Rig 5 , I use that software daily because it sounds glorious but it can make even the worst guitar sound good. The tone here is mainly the amp and not the guitar...
Ive owned about 4 S series all with the same thin tone and weak sustain. An s520ex, S470 with the Lotrs, S570, & the S470dxqm with the ZR. They were nice guitars but I sold them all because I wound up no being happy with their tone and they were. Very uninspiring as metal guitars... even with upgraded pickups
First video I've seen by your channel, good shit man! I love this guitar
Nice find. I used to sell guitars back in the day and we sold those for $799...so you were right on the money!
I have an important question!!! If I was to purchase Guitar Rig 5 and hook it up to my computer with my Pioneer home stereo tower speakers ( 160watt/8 ohm) will I get the same sound? Or am I missing something in the equation of sound here? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! I am in the process of gettng an 2015 RG655 Ibanez and I would like to get a nice Satriani sound if I could! Just wondering how I can purchase the right equipment without breaking the bank! The guitar is going to be costly enough...lol. P.S. I presently own an M Audio Fast Track Interface, not sure how great that is. Your sound is truly amazing......if you could let me know how you get your sound I would be forever indebted to you!
That last patch is great. So full as you said.
@TheXXXDB Thanks Xavier!! Glad you dug it. Have a great day!!
G'nite Pixxy.....watching you is never boring!!
All hail middle aged, big bellied dads who still like to rock out. I'm right there with ya brother.
Guitar rig5 and a laptop is the most portable gig able amp I have ever used!
Have you tested other plugins like Eleven? I'm in the hunt for the best guitar amp plugin and have only compared just a few (Sans Amp & Eleven).
If you have experience playing around with other plugins, which one do you like best?
Regards!
What kind of interface are you using to connect your guitar to the computer? or is it straight a simple jack connector to the blue line in??
I run through a Tascam digital mixer and it's matching PCI soundcard. They were both discontinued back in 2002. Check my video called "My Rig" that goes into more detail (though I don't use the tube preamp any longer - it burned out and I never replaced it). You can't use the internal audio of most PCs, it's just not powerful enough and the preamps aren't meant for hi-z (guitar signal). I have another video that goes over how to set up a PC with the correct audio interface.
Hey Man Nice video, i liked the riffs that you did at 03:02 i was wondering if i can use them in a video
hey bro what preset is the split rig,it sounds great but i can't find it on mind great playing to.
@Ibanez2570P Thanks so much!! Especially wishing my son scored a goal. I don't think he got one in this time, but I'm pretty sure his team won (though no official score is kept.....they're only six years old). It was a nice crispy morning that I needed to stay awake, not too mention a perfect compliment to my tall, extra-bold coffee. Good news on GR5. I think you'll dig it, but make sure you have a nice strong signal for the best sound. Rock on!!
....and HELL YEAH!!! I so expected Electric Funeral coming. It fits so well with the preset!!!
i love how when your playing the sound went from one side of the monitor to the other very wel done ! 3:05
I almost always use the headphones, but occasionally I'll use my KRK Rokit 5 set. All of my videos are run directly into the camera. No speakers and no mic for the guitar, only the one mic for my voice.
Awesome videos... just subscribed...what is your audio setup, pc soundcard, usb interface, monitors? Thanks!
for 2 guitars and 1 bass, i use an m-audio fast track interface. im running 3-4 instances of GR5. guitars go into a Marshall 50-50 tube power amp, into two 4x12 cabs (Orange & Randall). bass goes to a crown power amp then into an Ampeg 6x10. obviously disable cab sims in GR5.
its running at 128 samples, so less than 10ms latency. im using FCB 1010 MIDI controllers for switching presets/stomps (getting UnO chips in the mail).
been jamming weekly for a year, havent had a single crash. ever.
Loved the 'Stone in Love' Journey licks, good stuff.
@TheWillMTR Sorry for the delay. It's a Led Zep tune called "Thank You."
The newer ones seem to have a slightly darker fretboard and different inlays. I like 'em either way, but I'm a little on the broke side lol Dammit.
No EQ or mixing. This is live straight to the camera. I'm using an old Tascam rig, a TM-D1000 mixer with a PCI-822 card in the PC. See the video "My Rig" for more details, though I don't use the ART preamp any longer. The tube burned out and I was just too lazy to replace it, so I've been running directly into the board for about a year now.
Anyone remember what the s370 2001 model was on release? I'm trying to base a value. I assume they are or were same price or range as the s470?? Thanks. I am getting one shipped I won Santa giveaway. Arrives according to the youtuber and ups stat today ....Looks very very clean and well cared for. Plus the guy took apart and cleaned etc. All stock.
I got it. And it's a nice one.
Love it !!! i have a lefty black s470L ....part of my tresure ....
Rock on !!!
@Muziekschuur01 Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
that preset over Led Zep was perfect...really nice. GR5's Factory Presets still holdup after nearly a decade...
@PixxyLixxx Thank you! Sounds very interesting and makes a lot of sense to me. I'll be getting a NI Komplete Audio 6 interface for a few days to try it out. I'll try the ASIO driver with it as well.
Thumps up for Van Halen
Thats a great axe! I own the same one only blue. I'm also using the new guitar rig 5.1.1 patch. Still fooling with the Van 51 a bit trying to get that perfect Ibanez sound. What are your settings?
Hi Pixxy. Thanks for that video. love you guitar playing and you'r a taff guy ;) Greetz from Luxembourg.
@giosseppe I'm running into an ART tube preamp ($29) and then into an old Tascam digital mixer, it then goes to the computer via digital cable, back to the mixer via stereo digital, and then output in stereo to the camera's mic input. Does your soundcard have a hi-z input? ASIO? Like a POD Studio or something like that? The basic card that comes in a PC usually sucks for audio. The ones made just for guitar sound a lot better. Even the M-Audio one for $79 is better than stock audio.
How is the audio flipping between your vocals and the guitar? I like how it silences your vocals when you play. Is that the camera doing that or video software done manually or what?
Do you know how to make a black sabbath sounding setting with fuzz Like what you hear on sabbath one and the few early albums from the 70's. ?
That is probably the greatest guitar sound I have ever heard. Holy crapmeatballs.
@TheXXXDB Thanks Xavier!! I'm still loving this one, bro!!
Just stopped by to check out some of the GR 5 sounds. Recently picked up the NI Komplete audio 6 interface and it came with GR 5. Super excited, sub'd!
Great demo for the software. The Van Halen, Journey, Loudness, Accept and Scorpion stuff works well with that last tone. Thanks
I finally went for the software rig. I think I did good getting GR5Pro.
So with TH3 having been experienced and Guitar Rig 5 the same, which product do YOU personally gravitate towards...?
First off loving your videos, secondly i just got guitar rig 5 and was wondering what the name was of the new patch that you love so much at the end. i dont think you named it in the video but i could have just over looked it. thanks in advance.
Enjoying your videos... Keep on rockin
hey man would a rg470 for 200 be a good deal? how does it compare to a rg655m its the best ibanez iv played i didnt really like the rg1570
ok. I grabbed a line out convertor off Ebay. Got some powered speakers and I am now Rockin'! Thanks man!
@prboyd Thanks so much! I have tagged a few more of the new patches using the rating system and I plan on doing another video using a few more top-rated sounds. There's at least another dozen in the "New in GR5" section that are pretty killer.
I keep tryin' to pay attention to what you are sayin' but I'm hypnotized by the beauty of that guitar lol
I enjoyed your video. I got some feedback that Ibanez guitars rock. And I learnd something about a great patch in GR5. And it was brought by a great host....
THANKS. (beats television by the millions)
Ok, I just got an S370RRF ( yes a 370, they made an S370 in 2001, 2002 that was made in Korea ) they called them the S470 after that; for $40.28 with a case out of pocket after some trading in some gear I wasn't using anymore at a local musicgoround. I just wanted to say, after looking for more than a year, this is a great guitar. I can't see why you don't play this thing ALL the time! If I can get a GK pickup cleanly mounted in this thing, it will replace my Yamaha as my "go to" guitar!
@GingerSeansGuitar It's the webcam that's the problem -- it can't get the direct audio. Get a separate pocketcam that has a line-in jack. Kodak makes one for around $150. Then use the laptop as the "amp" and the pocketcam as the recorder. Trying to use the computer as both the video recorder and the amp will be difficult, if not impossible.
The Ibanez S series guitars are ridiculously easy to play. Lovely guitar and love your playing.
That reverb is insane. Be great if you could create a patch so we can use with spark amp. Call it Steve’s “shake your brains” reverb..lol
@PDXguitarfreak Thanks Dave! I'm really digging them, too. That C&C song was the first thing I thought of when I first heard that patch. I'll have to dig up another set of patches to demo. There's some clean ones that are much better than anything in GR4. I think they redesigned the cab emulation and that made all the difference. The old ones were harsh, but the new ones are, like you say, smooooooth. :)
I am thinking about buying Guitar Rig 5 instead of Positive Grid Bias. What I'm wondering is since Positive grid/bias has an optional Bias Head amp which I don't know the purpose of it yet do I need a similar head amp for Guitar Rig 5 or does they make one to match it?
@Renots024Young HA! Thanks! Yup, you'll need a PC to run GR5 (and a decent audio interface for the PC).
Have you ever kept a SZ series Ibanez. I bought one about 3 days ago and its great. Its a Ibanez/Duncan joint venture on the pickups. Not demonic but good and solid to hold down any style of music. I like them. But, in your opinion.....are the Pearly Gates pickips more impressive.......It would be great to hear about what you consider and why a particular builder of pickups that hold your fort secure. With all the tone you drive through your G5 system. I m amazed you don't have a system of pickups for each style of guitar. Your guitars sounds great.
all your videos are pretty good. good job and great playing.
@IncorpMusic Yes, but only if it is supported by ASIO-4-All. Without ASIO drivers, the latency delay will make it unplayable. With ASIO, you should be able to get the latency down to workable levels. If the onboard audio isn't supported by ASIO4ALL, then you'll need to get a different audio interface. DirectX simply isn't designed for real-time audio processing.
@satchbooggy Agreed! They just scored a pretty decent '90 RG760 in black with hsc and they want under 400 for it. That's been on my mind a bit, to say the least. I'm still searching for a decent Kramer for short money, but it's harder to find. GR5 is a definitely improvement over GR4. I'm still wading through the patches and I'm liking what I'm hearing.
I was wondering if you could help me out. I have peavey revalver and I cannot for the life of me recreate led zepplins whole lotta love tone. I've tried everything I can think of I was wondering if you had a preset or settings you could share with me.
Love this guy! I had my headphones on and got the hole effect, fantastic! Keep em comming dude.
Hi.
Does anyone know if there is any pedal that can give you that much (or at least almost) reverb?
@PixxyLixxx
Thanks for the quick reply. That splains that
My signal path is
Guitar-Hand made Stereo Tube preamp- MAudio Fast track utlra in Stereo-Computer/GR-MAudio Fast track utlra-Power amp-stereo speakers.
The whole path is Stereo except the guitar itself.
My video recordings suck cause I am recording the room sound from the speakers and backing track.
Have to try your method of going direct into the camera.
Check out my channel for some older Gr stuff I did a few years ago. See ya
Dude you sound great! Nice chops. Thanks for sharing.