The video title got me expecting a video about SSD price falling and why and such deeper explaination about it. But turns out to be a SSD buying guide which contains information that i didn't knew before, so i like it.
@@manofyeo the video lasted me 20 seconds only. I saw the thumbnail title for the intel price set at $67 then I start watching to find out it's a crap QLC based drive
@@Zikatus Just because its QLC doesn't mean its terrible. Intel's version of it is actually better than most. And yes its not as good as TLC but depending on the use case it very well may be a worthwhile purchase. As long as you understand that limitations then its fine. So go spend the extra $30 on a drive with TLC. I won't stop you. But for my use case this drive was an awesome deal.
It’s a long winded explanation but is supply ans demand. Lots of people bought PCs during the pandemic, other over bought due to supply chain restrictions, and due to Covid, lots of 20nm providers could produce capacitors, voltage regulators and folks like Intel/solidigm had to pivot to alternate parts for the SSD boms. So surge during covid, bust now and over supply as folks are now burning thru their inventory and a bit of a recession or folks holding onto $$. GREAT time to buy
as someone who has been hoarding Data since 1995 that last advice kinda hurt but me having access to my tools and apps for older computers always seem to end up being used somehow every few years.
Thats insane! I don't understand why anyone is still brainwashed by Apple these days. In my mind they don't even exist. They charge like $300 for a RAM upgrade too, and it probably costs $30.
@@manofyeo If you want to see how bad it is with their proprietary drives. " Replace EVERY DEAD SSD for M1 Max, M1 Pro, M1 & T2 Mac, T1 Mac, BONUS:M1 Ultra (FOR DUDES IN DENIAL) " iBoff RCC channel.
A word of advice. When you get your motherboard, just screw the m.2 screws it comes into the motherboard so you don’t need to worry about finding them or buying some later. I don’t know why they don’t just do this before they ship them.
One thing I would mention in this topic is that if you lack free NVMe slots you can buy PCIe cards that let you slot them. The specs of your system and motherboard design will determine if slotting an NVMe drive this way affects speed or not. Likely the PCIe bus is not going to be saturated and will perform perfectly fine to maintain top speeds for your drive. The biggest competitor in most systems for bus bandwidth will be your graphics card, but even top end graphics cards don't fill out PCIe 3.0 spec speeds. Perhaps if you have multiple graphics cards/Video capture/stream encoder devices all using the bus.. well you probably won't have a slot left to put the PCIe adapter anyway! In any case while I doubt saturating the bus is a big worry, I don't want anyone out there getting sub-par speed because I forgot to mention to check.
Yes this is one solution I did not cover and it can be a worthwhile one! I plan on getting a capture card soon so it may not work for me but definitely good info for the masses. Thanks for sharing!
When I decided to install a M.2 PCIe drive (I already had 5 SATA SSDs), I couldn't find the screw anywhere. I searched the box of the motherboard, I searched the box of the PC case, etc. Then just before I ordered a bunch of them, I realized the screw was already in its place on the motherboard. Just sharing my experience. :) Very good video, well done.
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you liked it! I'm a fan of motherboards that do this and as others have said its a really good idea to do this yourself if they come separately in bags.
Contradictory to what is mentioned in the tips, HMB is better for boot drive and programmes as they are utilised with small bits and pieces of data that need to be retrieved for OS or programmes to work. DRAM is better for huge storage transfers such as editing videos and photos where larger chunks of data are accessed and the dram comes in handy to ensure they are buffered.
I bought a $25 Crucial 500GB Gen3 SSD four days ago from Amazon for my Dell Inspiron 15! I remember they were riotously expensive and I set them aside until today. Noticed a huge improvement after installing Blizzard and Steam into the new drive!
The first thing I always look at besides capacity and price is the TBW as that can get used up fairly quickly by some users. For my daily I am using some drives that are rated for 3200TBW bought on the cheap as they were retired from a data center plus they are MLC rather than the usual TLC nand.
Capacity is something to be aware of, but needing "the best" for most people really is overkill. This drive is a "tiny" 740TBW, so using that COD:MW game at 125GB as a standard, he'd need to reinstall (write) the game every day for over 16 years to get to that that TBW limit, and by then any warranty is long since expired. Now sure there may be some that do write huge amounts, e.g. data centers, and for them that is an important stat, but for the vast majority of people not so much. Ditto with speed, Gen3 PCIe will virtually be the same as Gen4 or Gen5 for the vast majority of what people do on their computers, any differences in how long it takes will basically be rounding errors.
mp34 has 1600TBW, and it's cheap as fuck TLC I have seen some pcie (not m.2) x8 2x2tb intel drives though which look really interesting, only thing stopping me from getting those is the fact that I have no more pcie slots :(
Yes! I also saw B&H had the Solidigm P44 Pro 2TB for $110 which is amazing for basically the best Gen 4 drive out there. Awesome deals keep on flowing.
I want SSDs for a NAS not because of the speed for software but for the reliability and quick transfer speed for backing up the data. I only wish they would sell 10 TB SSDs instead of capping themselves at 8 TB.
@@manofyeo yowza! Look forward to 16TB as hopefully it will bump the price down on all the other smaller capacity drives. Who knows but we can only hope. Thanks for the video!
@@cactusjackNV I also saw something about a newer high capacity HDD technology that is allowing for 30TB drives soon and eventually 50TB HDDs. It's a never ending race. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your time and sharing. I was totally unaware that Intel sold their ssd business to SK Hynix under the Solidigm umbrella. I always depended on SK Hynix and spinoff TimeTec for my memory needs but this opens up a new SSD NVMe avenue for me.
The Silicon Power UD90 was only $169 for a 4tb nvme last week. It's gone up since they sold off their bulk stock I guess, but 4tb drives are getting down there to the point where buying anything less aside from a system/boot drive is becoming less worth while.
I will rather not buy Silicon Power anymore. 512GB drive failed miserably. Luckily I make backup regularly. Drive was not filled more than 3/5 and bytes written was neither even 10% used
Your comment about ending up with too many drives as well received. For some reason I have five external drives brand new in the box sitting on my desk I’m not sure even why I bought them off, but I am going to go set up a complete back up system from my home computer. I’m pretty much in applications user I don’t program I don’t do websites. I don’t even know what discord is. Thanks for the video. I’m interested in these drives for whatever crazy reason.
It happens to the best of us. Ever since I started browsing r/buildapcsales I have to be careful that I don't order crap I don't need. Hopefully the drives you bought were a good deal and if they are shuckable you can turn them into some kind of a NAS. Also there was some good deals on prime day there was a 2tb 970 evo for $80 I believe and the 2tb WD 850snx gen 4 for $90. Also 980 pro with heatsink for $100 and SK Hynix P41 for $107. All great values to consider depending whether you have gen 3 or 4. Thanks for watching!
Been shopping around for another gen 4 m.2 as my 1TB Sabrent rocket is filling up, I still have over 3TB on my backup spinny disk, but thats all I intend for it, as a backup. 2TB seems to be the sweet spot in price, as long as you have the extra m.2 slot. For me I don't lose any SATA's until I use the third m.2 slot. This is where paying a little extra on your motherboard can pay off, when I built my PC I never thought I would ever use all the slots and functions of the board, but a few years in and those slots get filled up.
Yes when I bought my board as a combo with a r5 3600 I didn't know much about it and was just happy to have a huge upgrade from the fx8350 I was using. I figured I might get another TB of storage down the road but never would've though Id fill up nearly all the sata ports and nvme slots with drives. With my next upgrade I will know what to look for in motherboards, but I can't complain to much as this cheap Asrock has served me very well.
@@manofyeo Oh for sure, not meant as a criticism of board choice, we all have to make choices... or all our PC's would be 10k 🤣. But 2TB drives are definately the sweet spot, the difference in cost between several 2TB drives and say one 8TB drive would pay for that better board, when someone is planning their build.
Nice! Let me know if they come with different components because I've heard that TeamGroup uses varying hardware for those and I'm curious to see what its got.
I won't admit to being a data hoarder but I'm pretty certain I've helped keep the doors of one of Western Digital's hard drive manufacturing facilities open. Some nights I pour terabytes worth of data onto my bed and, giggling, just roll around in it.
@@SenileOtaku Experiences differ. I maintain the computers for half a dozen family members and myself. We have collectively owned at least 40 hard drives over the last 30 years. The mix has included HGST, WD and Seagate. 90% of the early drives were Seagate because they were inexpensive and performed well. But when a third Seagate started suffering from bad sectors, I stopped buying Seagates entirely. Every drive we've purchased since was either HGST or Western Digital If any of our WD drives lost or corrupted a single bit of data, I am unaware of it. Qualifier: We tend to replace each of our computers after about five years. We sell, gift or donate the hard drives along with the computers. You go right ahead and avoid buying WD products. I wish you luck and Fortune.
LOL! The last statement is very true. I’ve over 30TB of data (family pictures & videos alone) and in the process of building my third NAS for redundancy.
It can sneak up on you. I forgot to show that I also have a 10TB external for backup as well. I'll probably have a NAS soon enough lol. Redundancy is important!
@@manofyeo A redundancy back up is a must have for valuable data. Seagate & Synology NAS are my go to. I love the simplicity of accessing & sharing media throughout your network and with some remote access when need it.
@@manofyeo No doubt! I would “NEVER” trust any of my personal data & media (photos & videos) to anyone outside of my house. Having and managing your own cloud is the absolute best thing.
The main thing I look for is quality brand/component SSD's with professional or enterprise/data-center level TBW endurance ratings for their form factor. A quality 2TB M.2 SSD in 2024 should have a TBW endurance rating of at least 1PB (1000TB). A 1TB M.2 should be in the 750TB range for TBW endurance ratings. Enterprise-level 2.5" SATA SSD's tend to be more robust & durable than their M.2 counterparts, but obviously not as quick. My secondary drive 960GB Intel/Solidigm D3-S4620 2.5" SATA SSD has a TBW endurance rating of 7.1PB (7100TB) versus my boot drive 2TB Intel/Solidigm P44 PRO M.2 2280 SDD at 1.2PB (1200TB) TBW endurance rating. All SSD's are plenty quick though (even the older-school 2.5" SATA ones really), so I don't quibble on benchmarks & look for quality & long-term durability.
Interesting take! I have to agree on the whole speed benchmark thing. Id rather have a quality drive that is dependable than one that is slightly faster.
That is definitely true. It's likely to be someone in India no matter where the company is based. But at least you could drive to their headquarters and shake your fist.
It can feel bad but I try to think of how much use you have gotten out of it. I paid $130 for a 1TB 970 evo on a black friday deal. I also paid over $900 for my 3080 and I've seen people selling it for $450. It's just the way it goes with technology.
to be fair, the 660p is far superior than the 670p due to using tlc instead of qlc chips, I still use both 660p and 670p drives, but they're just good cheap drives.
740TBW for 2TB brand new SSD is not high enough (I mean old SSDs had fewer life for each type and 740tbw for 2tb TLC would be alot like 4 years ago but not now but for QLC like intel u bought is good) for standard TLC SSD 2TB has 1200TBW (like SAMSUNG 970,980,990 Pro (or EVO) or WD SN 750,850) some drives like ADATA XPG high end SSDs like S70 it will be even higher like 1480TBW and for high endurance drives like SABRENT Rocket 4 or PNY CS3040 it is 3600TBW (which is insanely high) and they are not expensive (they are even abit cheaper than 980 pro or SN850, but faster than even best gen 3 drives, fast enough for most people, about 5.000 read and 4.500 write is alot (I know 980/990 pro or SN850/SN850X or S70/S70 blade or Rocker 4 Plus are faster (close to 7500 read/ 7000 write) but 5000/4500 is more than enough for most people specially if users write alto of drive, high endurance drives will be better for them than faster but with 1/3 life) btw I never suggested intel SSDs to anyone even before selling its NAND part, they never been fastest or cheapest or best in anything (Optane drive are different, those were very durable and high endurance and too expensive for low capacity like 16/32/64 GB, but were great for use as cache for large HDDs to have alot of space with high speed (like if u would cache 64gb Optane for 10TB HDD u would have storage with SSD speed and HDD capacity and because of very high TBW that Optane would work for years before dies) about SSD caching. cheap SSDs use SLC caching (like those models u see with a bit fewer capacity, like 240 except 256 or 480 except 512) they use few GB of their space as SLC (doesnt matter rest is TLC or QLC) which make it faster (not by far like DRAM) and good for cache and improving performance for no cost then HMB came and some cheap models have it now (newer versions) but not all, WD Green still doesnt have it, or even in Blue series SN550 doesnt have it but SN570 has it or SAMSUNG 980 (as far as I know SAMSUNG only SSD without DRAM) but they use very very small portion of system memory (even like only 64MB!) I like Crucial HBM wich call momentum cache , it can use system ram up to 4GB!!! depend if system has enough ram (like in systems with at least 16gb ram , it can cache up to 4gb, and if your system memory is fast (like fast DDR4 (4000+) or even faster DDR5s, will improve SSD performance more than integrated DRAM (which is 512MB or 1GB in most SSDs and their type are LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 slower ram) for example Crucail P2 is very cheap M.2 NVMe SSD. with speed Up to 2.400 read and 1800 write, but with momentum cache enabled of system with 16gb DDR5 ram, in tests it reach Up to 8000 MBps for read and 7500 for write (files below 4GB) but doesnt matter of your SSD, enable over provisioning in its software, if it doesnt have or support, do it yourself and set some as unpartiotioned, (10% of its capacity is recomanded but if u have large SSD like 2TB or more 5% is good enough too) with this action your SSD speed and endurance will improve. I have add that health percent software show is not always accurate, they calculate it as how much drives TBW total and how much u write on it by far, but sometime because of some problems like firmware issue it will reduce much faster (like happened for SAMSUNG recently and had to fix it) or I find in some models of ADATA new series (Legend) it doesnt go by numbers company give us, like Legend 850 1TB with 1000tbw, its health go like models with 600TBW (in all capacities)
Wow thanks for the detailed and thorough comment! A lot of great info here! That is very interesting about the Crucial HMB, I have never heard of that. I will read up on that for sure.
More real world type benchmark suites always showed the intel drives in a better light, the synthetic ones are just less applicable to the real world. TBW is just a warranty threshold, it does not reflect actual wear, small writes are worse than big, so actual lifespan varies. Over provisioning perhaps on your boot drive, anything else is a waste of time as these rapidly become obsolete. It is good to have dram for when it eventually ends up in an enclosure and maybe no hmb.
Data hoarding on ssd can cause them to fail prematurely. If you almost fill an ssd to it's limit and keep it there, especially a boot drive, you can kill one in about a year of use. An ssd needs to have about 20 percent free space to have its advertised life.
I think its gonna be a while but hopefully 4tb drives come down soon. One good thing atleast is the pressure on the SSD side seems to bringing HDD prices down as well.
SATA has it's limits in throughput. Making high speed SATA NVMe's or 2.5"SSD is a waste of time and money, as they saturate the SATA bus already. PCIe NVMe's are different, with much faster busses.
Data hoarding is worth it. specially now that a lot of software are being discontinued and become a subscription based and cloud applications. my uncle has a small business (homedepot) hardware store. he doesn't want to subscribe to any inventory system special that we are from third world country. the price is expensive. but I remember I have a pirated version of a certain inventory software that I tested back 2014. when I visit their website, I realize they already discontinued their on-premise version and launched their cloud version. which means it is technically legal to pirate it coz they no longer support the on-premised and no longer sell it. and guess what I have it hoarded in my drive.
First world countries: lol SSDs are literally free Third world countries: I recognize that the council has given a discount, but given that it's a stupid ass discount, I've elected to ignore it.
@manofyeo in my case, it's not even limited supplies; it's price fixing. The shops, retailers, and OEMs here shook hands on high prices, with newer models having a "newer, must be more expensive" tax added to them, such that older items that should have been discounted by the arrival of newer models stay at MSRP. This is how we got three generations of Sony's noise canceling wireless headset priced within $20 of each other. And of course, they don't honor international warranties, so it's a massive gamble to buy from outside the country.
The p44 pro and the platinum p41 sk hynix are definitely a much better drive overall, but also more costly. If you want a high end drive with super fast speeds and dram they are great choices. But as a budget choice if the price is right the p41 plus is still a good option if you don''t need crazy speeds. The HMB works pretty well as a subsitition for DRAM. I have one as a secondary drive now and notice no difference from any other drive. I know DRAM is recommended for boot drives but I think for most people who are average users wouldn't have a problem with it.
I already maximized the value of my 4 TB M.2 NVMe SSD with 7000/7500 MB write/read speed, 2 GB DDR4 buffer, AES-256 encryption, 3000 TB TBW and TRIM which I bought for 250$ equally *stonks*
Ssd & HDD will be with us for long. My first $85 2.5 sata sumsung 860 evo 250gb was 6 years ago & it's life is good at 95%. Now using Kingston fury 1t & nv2 1t x2, low prices n fast, with 3 external HDD & nas 4+4t & some very old functioning hdd. Opinion: will still buy higher capacities nvme ssd for replacing old ssd (be used in external casings) in next few years, stop buying HDD when possible. Feeling very not happy about Virus scanning & defrag very big capacity & old slow HDD, it takes years to complete, a waste of life for waiting task completion, can someone share advice how to deal with long time HDD task, tqs
Honestly I don't even use anti-virus software. I just use an ad blocker and don't click on anything suspicious. After a life of general computer use I am the anti-virus.
@@manofyeo How are they about fulfilling their warranty claims in general? I heard the Intel SSD division got sold, so I’m a little weary at this point.
@@ghost-user559 Sk Hynix bought it and made it Solidigm - based in the US. Just go to Solidigms website and they offer warranty information for Intel drives. From what I've heard there are no issues dealing with them.
@@manofyeo Hey thanks, that’s really good to know. I just keep hearing shady things about Samsung and other “reputable” manufacturers acting shady on RMAs lately.
@@ghost-user559 Yeah you never truly know if a company will honor the warranty or give you the run around. Hard to find decent customer service these days.
I'm sure it slows down when almost full which is definitely its one downfall. I may experiment with filling it up to see how it does but for me I don't plan to keep it maxed out.
@@Darkknight9035 Yes but with SLC cache specifically it will slow down at less capacity than other drives. Its best to leave 100gb free on any ssd performance wise, but some some drives like this will slow down when they get to 80% capacity, sometimes even lower on really bad drives. Intel drives are the best of this type by far.
SATA SSD without DRAM are a big waste of money as they are almost as slow as a HDD. (Unfortunately I know from own experience.) Is this the same with NVME and using part of your main RAM? (I imagine the connexion between NVME drive and RAM is much faster than with SATA, but does that help?)
While sata SSDs without dram are terrible, nvme drives with HMB really aren't that bad. They usually fall short to drives with DRAM in benchmarking but in daily use I don't think the difference will be noticeable.
I already have two 2 terabyte ssd"s and two 4 terabyte ssd's and was looking at an 8 terabyte ssd but not gonna spend over a thousand dollars when a year later it will be half that!
not sure how a 740 TBW ssd would be good for video editing if raw footage project are rarely below 120GB each time and i'm not talking about storing it and having constant flow of over 600GB weekly, there are much better drives for much cheaper then this one
Well for me all I'm really editing is RUclips videos on the weekend so it's not all that demanding. I don't deal with huge amounts of footage or anything.
even in the year 2035, gen 3 SSD will have more speed than you will ever need for any game or application Gen 4 is pure marketing, an unnecessary overpriced expense
@@ryutenmen All good. There are probably better deals out now. Some really good drives for $100 or less on Prime day. Prices have fallen even further in a month or two from when I bought this.
Its a middle of the road Gen 4 drive with speeds around 5000MBs max. It uses HMB instead of DRAM and is QLC so its more of a budget oriented drive. The p5plus is better if you can afford it and are looking for a Gen 4 drive. The teamgroup MP34 4tb with dram and TLC is on sale for $168 at newegg but I'm not sure how good of a drive it is. It has good specs for the price though. www.newegg.com/team-group-4tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331702
Yes they had an issue where 980 pro and 990 pro drives were wearing incredibly fast and it was solved by a firmware update. If you have samsung magician it should have updated automatically but its good to check that the firmware is up to date.
don't buy SiliconPower, tried in the past, SSD and RAM, SSD died less than a year, RAM corrupted also less than a year, causing lot of data corruption and crashes, i know that after doing memtest86..
I use SP ram in my build I've had no problems in 2 years. I have used 4 kits but one of them couldn't hit xmp so I returned it. They definitely arent the most trust worthy but in my experience the ram is ok. I dunno if I'd trust the SSDs though.
Yes, he did because in the grand scheme of it all $30 isnt much especially if you are dealing with limited slots. People seem to forget that 2 years ago these things were 3-4 times the price. 2TB used to be $300. Now its $70. And with the size of games nowaday 1TB fills up after like 6 AAA games. Spend the extra $30 and get a 2TB is my point.
1tb p2crucial i bought au$138 2020 m2 didnt perform well ( use as storage) things went weird so i put windows10pro back on the Adata 512gb IDK even when thing go Great for a year windows fooks something up or you add a HDD the bios resets and wont boot also if pc wont reboot check bios is win10 M2 1st also a nivia up date fixed an issue . it shouldnt have to thou! The bastards think because they buid an OS /MB etc they own us
@@manofyeo no need to be sorry, thanks for explaining. you shouldn't do things just because everyone else does. if there's no direct benefit to you, don't do it. You have a good video and it educated me about m.2's, its just the huge text breaks my concentration and I can't focus (literally) on the video part. I think you should do a follow up video and compare a raid/ZFS array of 4 gen3 m.2's on one of those combo boards with 1 or 2 gen 4's. I have a gen3 4x m.2 board and I might get 4x gen3's and raid them together to have 8t (or t6 with raid) of hellaFast storage! :)
@@HyenaEmpyema That's cool man, I do it to emphasize certain points but I try to limit it to scenes with little action since I know it can be distracting. It helps for people on mobile devices too. That would make for an interesting video. I saw a video from PC World I think and he did an array with 3 or 4 Gen 4 drives and it was insanely fast.
@@manofyeo I have to agree with mrpc here. Was going to comment, but he has beaten me to it. CC are available on YT and for the whole video too - and translated (barely) into other languages too. Because we are no all North American here you know? These emphasis texts are annoying and only appear for some of your words. Here's a good thing about not putting them in: a) will please some viewers who are not ADHD Ritalins; b) less editing and time spent per video for yourself - perhaps you don't need as much SSD/NVME that way?
@@manofyeo No way, SSD drives can be slower, and have much more limitations. Remember a drive constantly read writes, and SSD drives are rate a fixed number of them. That is why you cannot perform drive optimizations on SSD systems. And remember it is also more reliable for hdd raid systems too. Too many people are misusing SSD drives
@@stevengoldstein114 Much of that applies to data center or professional applications though. For the average home PC user or gamer they aren't going to burn through an SSD for many years unless it is a very cheap, low quality SSD.
@@manofyeo Maybe if the system puts the SSD drive to sleep. Then it will stop doing the routine reading and writing. Also remember there is virtual memory placed on an SSD unless reassigned to another drive. I do this to minimize the wear on the SSD.
@@stevengoldstein114 The virtual memory being on an SSD can help overall performance if you are limited in RAM because it gives Windows faster access to it vs a normal HDD. It will probably cause more wear but I guess its a trade-off based on your system and budget limitations.
It's a relatively linear price increase, but in absolute values, since the prices are down overall, the 2TB are not too much more expensive for the budget SSDs.
I've heard that Kingston has swapped hardware on that model and its not quite as good as it used to be but many manufacturers are doing this so I'm not sure how big of a deal it is.
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@@manofyeo the issue is that there is no great software raid and hardware card for consumers that allow you to take these cheap 1TB-2TB NVME modules and compete with storage of a single 16TB spin drive that runs $200-270 USD.
SATA SSDs are still useful for older systems without NVMe support and still work quite well even as a boot drive. I'm sure most people like me still use them from acquiring them in thee past when NVMe drives were ridiculously expensive. I wouldn't recommend someone to buy one now unless they had to since it doesn't make much sense but there's no reason to not use them if you already have them.
Holy shit! This comment is _dripping_ with toxicity. In common use cases, there's a negligible difference in write performance between NVME and SATA III. The average user isn't typically moving mass quantities of data. In most read cases, the difference is indistinguishable. Even most games won't benefit meaningfully. Therefore, as a primary drive, SATA SSDs are perfectly suitable for the *majority* of people. Even power users (the "minority") stand to benefit greatly from their use as they balance great read performance and reliability at a lower cost (~1/2) than NVME SSDs.
@@redslate I have such an older machine here. Total unit - been strong since 2012 and exclusively for gaming. Over the years I have put in 2 x SATA SSDs and I have to say they are great boot drives! Would like to see a some kind of tests comparing the same system+OS boot time for NVME latest gen; NVME older gen; SATA SSD. But as you have alluded to already - I bet there is precious little difference. Crystal Disk Mark is just a benchmark after all. What matters is rubber on the road so to speak. (edit spelling)
@@redslateyour pricing is from last decade - show me a SataIII ssd that’s half the price of nvme and I’ll buy it, I need one for a sata m.2 enclosure. Nowadays they all cost more than nvme, because they’re an outdated technology.
Even if prices were par, I'd say 3.5" HDDs* are more reliable long-term cold storage. SSDs can fail without warning and take all your data. HDDs usually don't fail suddenly, and give enough warning signs to move your data off if they are having issues. Also, the magnetic recording in HDDs should last longer without refreshing compared to the electric charges used in SSDs. *2.5" HDDs are pure trash in comparison though. Don't trust those.
@@kunka592 I'm surprised to still see ignorant comments like this. SSDs last much longer than HDDs, meaning you don't need to "look for 'warning signs;'" you just upgrade to a new drive whenever the capacity is no longer adequate. The drive will likely outlast your data needs. Experiments have shown 250GB SSDs lasting several hundred TBWs (the equivalent of more than 100GB written *daily* for an entire *decade* ). This only scales up with capacity. Additionally, most SSDs are designed to lock themselves into ROM mode upon failure; your data isn't lost. Indications and Warnings preceeding that continue to improve with software.
@@redslate Cool tests, bro. Please keep all your data on SSDs without HDD backups. When your SSD decides to suddenly nuke itself with 99% of its NAND writes still remaining, don't go crying about it because it obviously couldn't happen in this universe.
@Kun Ka Nice strawman: presenting data redundancy as a mutually exclusive, medium-bound practice. That's not at all accurate, nor is it a logical justification for your asinine assertion. Congratulations, you continue to retain your ignorance. 🤤
For a $60 motherboard it has done its job very well for 3 years. I started with a 3600 and now have a 5700x and it still runs perfectly. Nothing shite about that.
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The video title got me expecting a video about SSD price falling and why and such deeper explaination about it. But turns out to be a SSD buying guide which contains information that i didn't knew before, so i like it.
I'm glad you liked it and really happy to have helped!
@@manofyeo the video lasted me 20 seconds only. I saw the thumbnail title for the intel price set at $67 then I start watching to find out it's a crap QLC based drive
@@Zikatus Just because its QLC doesn't mean its terrible. Intel's version of it is actually better than most. And yes its not as good as TLC but depending on the use case it very well may be a worthwhile purchase. As long as you understand that limitations then its fine. So go spend the extra $30 on a drive with TLC. I won't stop you. But for my use case this drive was an awesome deal.
It’s a long winded explanation but is supply ans demand. Lots of people bought PCs during the pandemic, other over bought due to supply chain restrictions, and due to Covid, lots of 20nm providers could produce capacitors, voltage regulators and folks like Intel/solidigm had to pivot to alternate parts for the SSD boms. So surge during covid, bust now and over supply as folks are now burning thru their inventory and a bit of a recession or folks holding onto $$. GREAT time to buy
@@Zikatus
Your reply "lasted me 20 seconds only." You obviously can't understand that use case dictates what is and what isn't "crap."
as someone who has been hoarding Data since 1995 that last advice kinda hurt but me having access to my tools and apps for older computers always seem to end up being used somehow every few years.
I don't think there's anything wrong with data hoarding. I'm learning to embrace it.
Better have too many data then just not enough or not even backups.
and there... Apple is still charging $200 dollars for SSD storage upgrade from 256GB to 512GB. And people still buying.
Thats insane! I don't understand why anyone is still brainwashed by Apple these days. In my mind they don't even exist. They charge like $300 for a RAM upgrade too, and it probably costs $30.
Being an apple fan means spending luxuriously for basic specs on alternative platforms
@@justeddm It costs more so it must be better!
That's because Apple welds components on the system board that would be field-replaceable components elsewhere.
@@manofyeo If you want to see how bad it is with their proprietary drives. " Replace EVERY DEAD SSD for M1 Max, M1 Pro, M1 & T2 Mac, T1 Mac, BONUS:M1 Ultra (FOR DUDES IN DENIAL) " iBoff RCC channel.
A word of advice. When you get your motherboard, just screw the m.2 screws it comes into the motherboard so you don’t need to worry about finding them or buying some later. I don’t know why they don’t just do this before they ship them.
Yes this is great advice I've heard recently and I wish I knew when I bought my motherboard! Thanks!
dude i couldn't find em, thankfully i got a bunch of m2 screws that work just as well
I just got 2 Crucial M.2 drives and I was happy to see that they both came with a specific screw.
@@TechGorilla1987 Wow that's awesome definetely makes me like Crucial a little bit more. Which drive did you get?
@@manofyeo I got the CT1000P3SSD8 and the CT500P3SSD8 for my wife.
One thing I would mention in this topic is that if you lack free NVMe slots you can buy PCIe cards that let you slot them. The specs of your system and motherboard design will determine if slotting an NVMe drive this way affects speed or not. Likely the PCIe bus is not going to be saturated and will perform perfectly fine to maintain top speeds for your drive. The biggest competitor in most systems for bus bandwidth will be your graphics card, but even top end graphics cards don't fill out PCIe 3.0 spec speeds. Perhaps if you have multiple graphics cards/Video capture/stream encoder devices all using the bus.. well you probably won't have a slot left to put the PCIe adapter anyway! In any case while I doubt saturating the bus is a big worry, I don't want anyone out there getting sub-par speed because I forgot to mention to check.
Yes this is one solution I did not cover and it can be a worthwhile one! I plan on getting a capture card soon so it may not work for me but definitely good info for the masses. Thanks for sharing!
This is also where AMD has an advantage as it has more PCI lanes on average than Intel.
What a recommendation. I'm eyeing for that Intel SSD and this video solidifies my research. Thank you for doing this video 😊
You're welcome!
When I decided to install a M.2 PCIe drive (I already had 5 SATA SSDs), I couldn't find the screw anywhere. I searched the box of the motherboard, I searched the box of the PC case, etc. Then just before I ordered a bunch of them, I realized the screw was already in its place on the motherboard.
Just sharing my experience. :)
Very good video, well done.
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you liked it! I'm a fan of motherboards that do this and as others have said its a really good idea to do this yourself if they come separately in bags.
Contradictory to what is mentioned in the tips, HMB is better for boot drive and programmes as they are utilised with small bits and pieces of data that need to be retrieved for OS or programmes to work. DRAM is better for huge storage transfers such as editing videos and photos where larger chunks of data are accessed and the dram comes in handy to ensure they are buffered.
Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD for $99.99 right now on Amazon. PCIe Gen 4 speeds on 4x lanes.
Yes, very good deal on a top notch gen 4 drive. I'm curious to see if there will be any even better deals on prime day.
I bought a $25 Crucial 500GB Gen3 SSD four days ago from Amazon for my Dell Inspiron 15! I remember they were riotously expensive and I set them aside until today. Noticed a huge improvement after installing Blizzard and Steam into the new drive!
Prime day had some solid deals.
The first thing I always look at besides capacity and price is the TBW as that can get used up fairly quickly by some users. For my daily I am using some drives that are rated for 3200TBW bought on the cheap as they were retired from a data center plus they are MLC rather than the usual TLC nand.
For sure, heavy users will be much more affected by it than the average office or gaming pc. Thanks for watching!
Capacity is something to be aware of, but needing "the best" for most people really is overkill. This drive is a "tiny" 740TBW, so using that COD:MW game at 125GB as a standard, he'd need to reinstall (write) the game every day for over 16 years to get to that that TBW limit, and by then any warranty is long since expired. Now sure there may be some that do write huge amounts, e.g. data centers, and for them that is an important stat, but for the vast majority of people not so much. Ditto with speed, Gen3 PCIe will virtually be the same as Gen4 or Gen5 for the vast majority of what people do on their computers, any differences in how long it takes will basically be rounding errors.
mp34 has 1600TBW, and it's cheap as fuck TLC
I have seen some pcie (not m.2) x8 2x2tb intel drives though which look really interesting, only thing stopping me from getting those is the fact that I have no more pcie slots :(
This video was deeper than it needed to be but much appreciated on the quality
Thank you!
670P is now $69.99 on newegg.
Yes! I also saw B&H had the Solidigm P44 Pro 2TB for $110 which is amazing for basically the best Gen 4 drive out there. Awesome deals keep on flowing.
Thank you for quality video, glad i saw it, didn't knew about intel m2 ssds being such a good deal
You're welcome and thanks for watching! Hard to go wrong with an intel/sk hynix/ solidigm drive based on your use case.
I want SSDs for a NAS not because of the speed for software but for the reliability and quick transfer speed for backing up the data. I only wish they would sell 10 TB SSDs instead of capping themselves at 8 TB.
I believe they have 16TB coming soon.
@@manofyeo yowza! Look forward to 16TB as hopefully it will bump the price down on all the other smaller capacity drives. Who knows but we can only hope. Thanks for the video!
@@cactusjackNV I also saw something about a newer high capacity HDD technology that is allowing for 30TB drives soon and eventually 50TB HDDs. It's a never ending race. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your time and sharing. I was totally unaware that Intel sold their ssd business to SK Hynix under the Solidigm umbrella. I always depended on SK Hynix and spinoff TimeTec for my memory needs but this opens up a new SSD NVMe avenue for me.
You're Welcome! I'm glad to share the info with you.
thanks for the valuable information!
You're welcome!
The Silicon Power UD90 was only $169 for a 4tb nvme last week. It's gone up since they sold off their bulk stock I guess, but 4tb drives are getting down there to the point where buying anything less aside from a system/boot drive is becoming less worth while.
Yes its great to see 4TB follow suit!
That is one of the better cheap PCIE 4.0 drives. Just no DRAM but good for storage. The old 3.0 MP34 also looks quite good for the money.
I will rather not buy Silicon Power anymore. 512GB drive failed miserably. Luckily I make backup regularly. Drive was not filled more than 3/5 and bytes written was neither even 10% used
Your comment about ending up with too many drives as well received. For some reason I have five external drives brand new in the box sitting on my desk I’m not sure even why I bought them off, but I am going to go set up a complete back up system from my home computer. I’m pretty much in applications user I don’t program I don’t do websites. I don’t even know what discord is. Thanks for the video. I’m interested in these drives for whatever crazy reason.
It happens to the best of us. Ever since I started browsing r/buildapcsales I have to be careful that I don't order crap I don't need. Hopefully the drives you bought were a good deal and if they are shuckable you can turn them into some kind of a NAS. Also there was some good deals on prime day there was a 2tb 970 evo for $80 I believe and the 2tb WD 850snx gen 4 for $90. Also 980 pro with heatsink for $100 and SK Hynix P41 for $107. All great values to consider depending whether you have gen 3 or 4. Thanks for watching!
Been shopping around for another gen 4 m.2 as my 1TB Sabrent rocket is filling up, I still have over 3TB on my backup spinny disk, but thats all I intend for it, as a backup. 2TB seems to be the sweet spot in price, as long as you have the extra m.2 slot. For me I don't lose any SATA's until I use the third m.2 slot. This is where paying a little extra on your motherboard can pay off, when I built my PC I never thought I would ever use all the slots and functions of the board, but a few years in and those slots get filled up.
Yes when I bought my board as a combo with a r5 3600 I didn't know much about it and was just happy to have a huge upgrade from the fx8350 I was using. I figured I might get another TB of storage down the road but never would've though Id fill up nearly all the sata ports and nvme slots with drives. With my next upgrade I will know what to look for in motherboards, but I can't complain to much as this cheap Asrock has served me very well.
@@manofyeo Oh for sure, not meant as a criticism of board choice, we all have to make choices... or all our PC's would be 10k 🤣. But 2TB drives are definately the sweet spot, the difference in cost between several 2TB drives and say one 8TB drive would pay for that better board, when someone is planning their build.
Spend $ 15 on a PCIe to M.2 adapter to get room for a third M.2 SSD. It does require a X4 PCIe slot.
I just bought 2x1tb mp34 (phison e12, dram + tlc) for 45$ each
Nice! Let me know if they come with different components because I've heard that TeamGroup uses varying hardware for those and I'm curious to see what its got.
If you're going to hoard data, you probably want to go with spinning disks for way cheaper $/TB. Often going for ~$15/TB, 8-12TB per drive.
i have an 8TB WD Blue CMR I got for $105 and a 10 TB WD Elements external I got for $150 a few years ago.
Please inform the user about the use of the proper cable when using a external ssd or m.2 drive because it will affect the speed of the drive.
Yes, good advice!
I won't admit to being a data hoarder but I'm pretty certain I've helped keep the doors of one of Western Digital's hard drive manufacturing facilities open. Some nights I pour terabytes worth of data onto my bed and, giggling, just roll around in it.
Haha, Love it!
Well, Western Digital keeps their own doors open, since you have to replace defective WD drives so often
@@SenileOtaku
Experiences differ. I maintain the computers for half a dozen family members and myself. We have collectively owned at least 40 hard drives over the last 30 years. The mix has included HGST, WD and Seagate. 90% of the early drives were Seagate because they were inexpensive and performed well. But when a third Seagate started suffering from bad sectors, I stopped buying Seagates entirely. Every drive we've purchased since was either HGST or Western Digital If any of our WD drives lost or corrupted a single bit of data, I am unaware of it.
Qualifier: We tend to replace each of our computers after about five years. We sell, gift or donate the hard drives along with the computers.
You go right ahead and avoid buying WD products. I wish you luck and Fortune.
thanks for the detailed info. upvoted!!!
You're welcome! Happy to help!
thank you, very useful
LOL! The last statement is very true. I’ve over 30TB of data (family pictures & videos alone) and in the process of building my third NAS for redundancy.
It can sneak up on you. I forgot to show that I also have a 10TB external for backup as well. I'll probably have a NAS soon enough lol. Redundancy is important!
TrueNAS was super easy for me to set up. Using an old Del. Going on 2 years now.
@@manofyeo A redundancy back up is a must have for valuable data. Seagate & Synology NAS are my go to. I love the simplicity of accessing & sharing media throughout your network and with some remote access when need it.
@@TubTechGuru Yes it is nice to have your own personal cloud that isn't under the control of a major corporation.
@@manofyeo No doubt! I would “NEVER” trust any of my personal data & media (photos & videos) to anyone outside of my house. Having and managing your own cloud is the absolute best thing.
The main thing I look for is quality brand/component SSD's with professional or enterprise/data-center level TBW endurance ratings for their form factor. A quality 2TB M.2 SSD in 2024 should have a TBW endurance rating of at least 1PB (1000TB). A 1TB M.2 should be in the 750TB range for TBW endurance ratings. Enterprise-level 2.5" SATA SSD's tend to be more robust & durable than their M.2 counterparts, but obviously not as quick. My secondary drive 960GB Intel/Solidigm D3-S4620 2.5" SATA SSD has a TBW endurance rating of 7.1PB (7100TB) versus my boot drive 2TB Intel/Solidigm P44 PRO M.2 2280 SDD at 1.2PB (1200TB) TBW endurance rating. All SSD's are plenty quick though (even the older-school 2.5" SATA ones really), so I don't quibble on benchmarks & look for quality & long-term durability.
Interesting take! I have to agree on the whole speed benchmark thing. Id rather have a quality drive that is dependable than one that is slightly faster.
nicee vid, very clear, nice brand tips, nice hoarding disorder.
Haha, thanks man, I appreciate that!
Just because a company has headquarters in the United States doesn't mean they won't off-shore support to save money.
That is definitely true. It's likely to be someone in India no matter where the company is based. But at least you could drive to their headquarters and shake your fist.
AliExpress are selling 2tb ones for $50-60
Damn good price but i would pay abit more for kingston ones
Yeah probably worth the extra for a better brand/warranty.
@7:07 - Crucial NVME drives include a screw within the packaging.
I'm sad that I bought a 2TB 660p for $210 a couple years ago. Bought a 2TB 980 Pro for $195 last year. Now storage is dropping so much.
2 TB Nvme from WD is 100$ or so on sale right now. 1 TB is 52$. Crazy
As long as you got sufficient use out of it during that time, you're fine.
Opportunity cost is an often overlooked factor when determining value.
It can feel bad but I try to think of how much use you have gotten out of it. I paid $130 for a 1TB 970 evo on a black friday deal. I also paid over $900 for my 3080 and I've seen people selling it for $450. It's just the way it goes with technology.
to be fair, the 660p is far superior than the 670p due to using tlc instead of qlc chips, I still use both 660p and 670p drives, but they're just good cheap drives.
recently bought a 2tb Crucial p3, it came with a NVME screw.
So I've heard. I think its awesome that they do that.
740TBW for 2TB brand new SSD is not high enough (I mean old SSDs had fewer life for each type and 740tbw for 2tb TLC would be alot like 4 years ago but not now but for QLC like intel u bought is good)
for standard TLC SSD 2TB has 1200TBW (like SAMSUNG 970,980,990 Pro (or EVO) or WD SN 750,850)
some drives like ADATA XPG high end SSDs like S70 it will be even higher like 1480TBW
and for high endurance drives like SABRENT Rocket 4 or PNY CS3040 it is 3600TBW (which is insanely high) and they are not expensive (they are even abit cheaper than 980 pro or SN850, but faster than even best gen 3 drives, fast enough for most people, about 5.000 read and 4.500 write is alot (I know 980/990 pro or SN850/SN850X or S70/S70 blade or Rocker 4 Plus are faster (close to 7500 read/ 7000 write) but 5000/4500 is more than enough for most people specially if users write alto of drive, high endurance drives will be better for them than faster but with 1/3 life)
btw I never suggested intel SSDs to anyone even before selling its NAND part, they never been fastest or cheapest or best in anything (Optane drive are different, those were very durable and high endurance and too expensive for low capacity like 16/32/64 GB, but were great for use as cache for large HDDs to have alot of space with high speed (like if u would cache 64gb Optane for 10TB HDD u would have storage with SSD speed and HDD capacity and because of very high TBW that Optane would work for years before dies)
about SSD caching. cheap SSDs use SLC caching (like those models u see with a bit fewer capacity, like 240 except 256 or 480 except 512) they use few GB of their space as SLC (doesnt matter rest is TLC or QLC) which make it faster (not by far like DRAM) and good for cache and improving performance for no cost
then HMB came and some cheap models have it now (newer versions) but not all, WD Green still doesnt have it, or even in Blue series SN550 doesnt have it but SN570 has it
or SAMSUNG 980 (as far as I know SAMSUNG only SSD without DRAM) but they use very very small portion of system memory (even like only 64MB!)
I like Crucial HBM wich call momentum cache , it can use system ram up to 4GB!!! depend if system has enough ram (like in systems with at least 16gb ram , it can cache up to 4gb,
and if your system memory is fast (like fast DDR4 (4000+) or even faster DDR5s, will improve SSD performance more than integrated DRAM (which is 512MB or 1GB in most SSDs and their type are LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 slower ram)
for example Crucail P2 is very cheap M.2 NVMe SSD. with speed Up to 2.400 read and 1800 write, but with momentum cache enabled of system with 16gb DDR5 ram, in tests it reach Up to 8000 MBps for read and 7500 for write (files below 4GB)
but doesnt matter of your SSD, enable over provisioning in its software, if it doesnt have or support, do it yourself and set some as unpartiotioned, (10% of its capacity is recomanded but if u have large SSD like 2TB or more 5% is good enough too) with this action your SSD speed and endurance will improve.
I have add that health percent software show is not always accurate, they calculate it as how much drives TBW total and how much u write on it by far, but sometime because of some problems like firmware issue it will reduce much faster (like happened for SAMSUNG recently and had to fix it)
or I find in some models of ADATA new series (Legend) it doesnt go by numbers company give us, like Legend 850 1TB with 1000tbw, its health go like models with 600TBW (in all capacities)
Wow thanks for the detailed and thorough comment! A lot of great info here! That is very interesting about the Crucial HMB, I have never heard of that. I will read up on that for sure.
More real world type benchmark suites always showed the intel drives in a better light, the synthetic ones are just less applicable to the real world. TBW is just a warranty threshold, it does not reflect actual wear, small writes are worse than big, so actual lifespan varies.
Over provisioning perhaps on your boot drive, anything else is a waste of time as these rapidly become obsolete.
It is good to have dram for when it eventually ends up in an enclosure and maybe no hmb.
Data hoarding on ssd can cause them to fail prematurely. If you almost fill an ssd to it's limit and keep it there, especially a boot drive, you can kill one in about a year of use. An ssd needs to have about 20 percent free space to have its advertised life.
It's based on writes, not reads, applying a charge is what wears the cell down.
@@michaelkeudel8770 you are correct, and keeping an ssd at near full capacity multiples the number of writes by 1000 percent.
When are we going to see 20TB SSDs at cheap prices?
I think its gonna be a while but hopefully 4tb drives come down soon. One good thing atleast is the pressure on the SSD side seems to bringing HDD prices down as well.
I just got a Crucial 1TB M.2 SSD for $47USD delivered. I got a 500GB for the wife for $22. Both are Gen 3.
Nice which model, P3?
@@manofyeo I got the CT1000P3SSD8 and the CT500P3SSD8 for my wife.
SATA has it's limits in throughput. Making high speed SATA NVMe's or 2.5"SSD is a waste of time and money, as they saturate the SATA bus already. PCIe NVMe's are different, with much faster busses.
Data hoarding is worth it. specially now that a lot of software are being discontinued and become a subscription based and cloud applications.
my uncle has a small business (homedepot) hardware store. he doesn't want to subscribe to any inventory system special that we are from third world country. the price is expensive. but I remember I have a pirated version of a certain inventory software that I tested back 2014. when I visit their website, I realize they already discontinued their on-premise version and launched their cloud version.
which means it is technically legal to pirate it coz they no longer support the on-premised and no longer sell it.
and guess what I have it hoarded in my drive.
Yeah man its good to hold onto old software like that. I sure as hell wouldn't pay for a service like that.
The sk P31 2tb is now under $100… think I need that as an extra drive for my laptop
Yes it is the best SSD for a laptop as it is the most power efficient and cool. It's an awesome deal at $95 on amazon.
First world countries: lol SSDs are literally free
Third world countries: I recognize that the council has given a discount, but given that it's a stupid ass discount, I've elected to ignore it.
I have a friend in Brazil and i'm always shocked to find out the limited supply and exorbitant prices people have to pay for hardware over there.
@manofyeo in my case, it's not even limited supplies; it's price fixing. The shops, retailers, and OEMs here shook hands on high prices, with newer models having a "newer, must be more expensive" tax added to them, such that older items that should have been discounted by the arrival of newer models stay at MSRP. This is how we got three generations of Sony's noise canceling wireless headset priced within $20 of each other.
And of course, they don't honor international warranties, so it's a massive gamble to buy from outside the country.
In my country 970 evo plus have similar price with 980 pro.
Because 970 evo plus more durable and have no bugs
That is interesting. That bug on the 980 and 990 pros really hurt their credibility. My 970 evo was unaffected.
@@manofyeo its irony that 970 proven durable since launch.
the solidigm p41 is considered the 670p successor, however it doesnt have dram. would you choose the p44 pro because of this?
The p44 pro and the platinum p41 sk hynix are definitely a much better drive overall, but also more costly. If you want a high end drive with super fast speeds and dram they are great choices. But as a budget choice if the price is right the p41 plus is still a good option if you don''t need crazy speeds. The HMB works pretty well as a subsitition for DRAM. I have one as a secondary drive now and notice no difference from any other drive. I know DRAM is recommended for boot drives but I think for most people who are average users wouldn't have a problem with it.
@@manofyeo thx for the reply 😄
@@dele7ee no problem!
what a great video
Thanks!
I already maximized the value of my 4 TB M.2 NVMe SSD with 7000/7500 MB write/read speed, 2 GB DDR4 buffer, AES-256 encryption, 3000 TB TBW and TRIM which I bought for 250$ equally *stonks*
Nice
@@manofyeo PNY XLR8 Pcie 4.0 4TB disk by the way
**flex intensifies**
@@robertobokarev439 Sounds like a solid deal for a high end drive! You'll be good for a while.
@@manofyeo wow, thanks dude :)
Ssd & HDD will be with us for long. My first $85 2.5 sata sumsung 860 evo 250gb was 6 years ago & it's life is good at 95%. Now using Kingston fury 1t & nv2 1t x2, low prices n fast, with 3 external HDD & nas 4+4t & some very old functioning hdd. Opinion: will still buy higher capacities nvme ssd for replacing old ssd (be used in external casings) in next few years, stop buying HDD when possible. Feeling very not happy about Virus scanning & defrag very big capacity & old slow HDD, it takes years to complete, a waste of life for waiting task completion, can someone share advice how to deal with long time HDD task, tqs
Honestly I don't even use anti-virus software. I just use an ad blocker and don't click on anything suspicious. After a life of general computer use I am the anti-virus.
The M.2 screw comes included in Crucial P5 Plus package
Yes someone just told me this earlier. That is awesome and makes me like Crucial that much more!
The WD Black drives are incredibly fast. Even the gen 3 drives.
Power usage is also an important aspect for laptops.
It sure is and the Sk Hynix p31 and p41 are the most efficient and run the coolest.
@@manofyeo Yep, I think you're correct, thanks for the video.
@@mattfm101 You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
$69.99 now but yes I bought at 79 and 73, just how it goes, still good value and reputation, all that matters.
It been great so far.
@@manofyeo How are they about fulfilling their warranty claims in general? I heard the Intel SSD division got sold, so I’m a little weary at this point.
@@ghost-user559 Sk Hynix bought it and made it Solidigm - based in the US. Just go to Solidigms website and they offer warranty information for Intel drives. From what I've heard there are no issues dealing with them.
@@manofyeo Hey thanks, that’s really good to know. I just keep hearing shady things about Samsung and other “reputable” manufacturers acting shady on RMAs lately.
@@ghost-user559 Yeah you never truly know if a company will honor the warranty or give you the run around. Hard to find decent customer service these days.
I'm curious about how the 670p behaves when nearly full, given that it uses SLC cache. Something it can't do when nearing capacity.
I'm sure it slows down when almost full which is definitely its one downfall. I may experiment with filling it up to see how it does but for me I don't plan to keep it maxed out.
@@manofyeodoesn't all nvmes slow down near full?
@@Darkknight9035 Yes but with SLC cache specifically it will slow down at less capacity than other drives. Its best to leave 100gb free on any ssd performance wise, but some some drives like this will slow down when they get to 80% capacity, sometimes even lower on really bad drives. Intel drives are the best of this type by far.
I need 4tb choices I upgrading my current 2tb drives!
Yes! They are starting to come down hopefully they will line up with 1 and 2 TB soon.
I just got a 2TB kingston for 150 ish.
It's only more than twice as fast.
Yeah Gen 4 is twice as fast. I'm on Gen 3 and its limited by pcie lanes.
@@manofyeo In that case well done, that Intel is way more expensive here.
SATA SSD without DRAM are a big waste of money as they are almost as slow as a HDD. (Unfortunately I know from own experience.) Is this the same with NVME and using part of your main RAM? (I imagine the connexion between NVME drive and RAM is much faster than with SATA, but does that help?)
While sata SSDs without dram are terrible, nvme drives with HMB really aren't that bad. They usually fall short to drives with DRAM in benchmarking but in daily use I don't think the difference will be noticeable.
i never had problems with dramless ssd
You`re probably confusing TLC vs QLC with DRAM vs DRAMless drives
@@smuggy8576 no.
@@NippyNep True , this comment is BS.
I already have two 2 terabyte ssd"s and two 4 terabyte ssd's and was looking at an 8 terabyte ssd but not gonna spend over a thousand dollars when a year later it will be half that!
That's a lot of storage!
not sure how a 740 TBW ssd would be good for video editing if raw footage project are rarely below 120GB each time and i'm not talking about storing it and having constant flow of over 600GB weekly, there are much better drives for much cheaper then this one
Well for me all I'm really editing is RUclips videos on the weekend so it's not all that demanding. I don't deal with huge amounts of footage or anything.
@@manofyeo I'm just relating ssd reliability too TBW not sure how correct is to do so , but none of the less great video tyvm
@@alberta3157 Yeah I look at TBW as just a rough guideline it doesn't appear to be all that accurate. Thanks for watching!
I am NEVER buying an Intel SSD again. Just say no. NEVER had a problem with Samsung EVER.
Care to share what your problems were? Samsung is great but I bet people who had drives fail would probably say the same thing about Samsung
I'm a data hoarder. I probably have files older than some people reading this.
It's healthy to admit it out loud.
What we want is more pcie lanes.
True, there's never enough. Although some of the new boards are completely loaded, which is good since they cost $400 and up
screws go in screwholes.
hard to lose them there.
Yes definitely a good habit to take care of when you unbox your new board.
even in the year 2035, gen 3 SSD will have more speed than you will ever need for any game or application
Gen 4 is pure marketing, an unnecessary overpriced expense
Indeed and yet Gen 5 is here with even more marketing genius! "Speeds of up to 12,000MBS! OMG!!! Buy it for 3 times the price right now!"
DRAM less and QLC memory cell is never a good combination, even for 73$.
The Intel drive has DRAM...guess you didn't watch the video...
@@manofyeo yeah, it has. My mistake.
@@ryutenmen All good. There are probably better deals out now. Some really good drives for $100 or less on Prime day. Prices have fallen even further in a month or two from when I bought this.
@@manofyeo its good to live in America. In my east european country a 2TB NVME Pci x4 with Dram and TLC cells cost close to 200$.
@@ryutenmen Yes, we are very spoiled here in that regard.
thanks
You're welcome!
whats with 4tb crucial p3plus?
Its a middle of the road Gen 4 drive with speeds around 5000MBs max. It uses HMB instead of DRAM and is QLC so its more of a budget oriented drive. The p5plus is better if you can afford it and are looking for a Gen 4 drive. The teamgroup MP34 4tb with dram and TLC is on sale for $168 at newegg but I'm not sure how good of a drive it is. It has good specs for the price though. www.newegg.com/team-group-4tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331702
just picked up a 1tb for 37 gbp whoot!
Sweet!
good video
Thanks!
Samsung firmware bug?
Yes they had an issue where 980 pro and 990 pro drives were wearing incredibly fast and it was solved by a firmware update. If you have samsung magician it should have updated automatically but its good to check that the firmware is up to date.
not DRAM and QLC. It's cheap for a reason
It has DRAM.
don't buy SiliconPower, tried in the past, SSD and RAM, SSD died less than a year, RAM corrupted also less than a year, causing lot of data corruption and crashes, i know that after doing memtest86..
I use SP ram in my build I've had no problems in 2 years. I have used 4 kits but one of them couldn't hit xmp so I returned it. They definitely arent the most trust worthy but in my experience the ram is ok. I dunno if I'd trust the SSDs though.
PLAY video x1.5 Speed
Intel ssd suck ass I brought one and regret getting it. It boots fine but with transfering files it just crash.
You clearly have a defective product and should return it or RMA.
2:06 did bro really say minimal when its like a 30$ difference
Yes, he did because in the grand scheme of it all $30 isnt much especially if you are dealing with limited slots. People seem to forget that 2 years ago these things were 3-4 times the price. 2TB used to be $300. Now its $70. And with the size of games nowaday 1TB fills up after like 6 AAA games. Spend the extra $30 and get a 2TB is my point.
well made
Thanks!
Definitely not simple, took U 1 month to select a SSD
1tb p2crucial i bought au$138 2020 m2 didnt perform well ( use as storage) things went weird
so i put windows10pro back on the Adata 512gb IDK even when thing go Great for a year windows fooks something up or you add a HDD the bios resets and wont boot
also if pc wont reboot check bios is win10 M2 1st also a nivia up date fixed an issue . it shouldnt have to thou!
The bastards think because they buid an OS /MB etc they own us
Yeah Windows updates are always a risk when it really shouldn't be. Never know what they will mess up next.
Why do you have giant text on screen? if someone needs closed captions they can turn that on manually.
It's a stylistic thing...Very common nowadays. Sorry you don't like it.
@@manofyeo no need to be sorry, thanks for explaining. you shouldn't do things just because everyone else does. if there's no direct benefit to you, don't do it. You have a good video and it educated me about m.2's, its just the huge text breaks my concentration and I can't focus (literally) on the video part.
I think you should do a follow up video and compare a raid/ZFS array of 4 gen3 m.2's on one of those combo boards with 1 or 2 gen 4's. I have a gen3 4x m.2 board and I might get 4x gen3's and raid them together to have 8t (or t6 with raid) of hellaFast storage! :)
@@HyenaEmpyema That's cool man, I do it to emphasize certain points but I try to limit it to scenes with little action since I know it can be distracting. It helps for people on mobile devices too.
That would make for an interesting video. I saw a video from PC World I think and he did an array with 3 or 4 Gen 4 drives and it was insanely fast.
@@manofyeo its best for the shorts. but good luck with your channel, thanks!
@@manofyeo I have to agree with mrpc here. Was going to comment, but he has beaten me to it. CC are available on YT and for the whole video too - and translated (barely) into other languages too. Because we are no all North American here you know? These emphasis texts are annoying and only appear for some of your words. Here's a good thing about not putting them in: a) will please some viewers who are not ADHD Ritalins; b) less editing and time spent per video for yourself - perhaps you don't need as much SSD/NVME that way?
SSD is not a good choice for data storage. The best size is only about 256 GB for os and apps. The data should on,y be in standard drives
Yes I use an 8TB HDD for storing videos and other data. But SSDs are so cheap now HDD may soon be extinct..
@@manofyeo No way, SSD drives can be slower, and have much more limitations. Remember a drive constantly read writes, and SSD drives are rate a fixed number of them. That is why you cannot perform drive optimizations on SSD systems. And remember it is also more reliable for hdd raid systems too. Too many people are misusing SSD drives
@@stevengoldstein114 Much of that applies to data center or professional applications though. For the average home PC user or gamer they aren't going to burn through an SSD for many years unless it is a very cheap, low quality SSD.
@@manofyeo Maybe if the system puts the SSD drive to sleep. Then it will stop doing the routine reading and writing. Also remember there is virtual memory placed on an SSD unless reassigned to another drive. I do this to minimize the wear on the SSD.
@@stevengoldstein114 The virtual memory being on an SSD can help overall performance if you are limited in RAM because it gives Windows faster access to it vs a normal HDD. It will probably cause more wear but I guess its a trade-off based on your system and budget limitations.
Everyday is an adjective.
It sure is lol...Long night...
"the price difference between 1tb and 2tb is minimal"
- shows the 2tb drive 2x the price of 1tb
It's a relatively linear price increase, but in absolute values, since the prices are down overall, the 2TB are not too much more expensive for the budget SSDs.
Kingston NV - 2 is the Best
I've heard that Kingston has swapped hardware on that model and its not quite as good as it used to be but many manufacturers are doing this so I'm not sure how big of a deal it is.
@@manofyeo
NV 2 is M.2 without DRAM
China SSD is coming!!!and it's very popular in China.
help former SSD's factory without fire😂
let the price of ssd becoming more reasonable and affordable.
yangtze memory 128 nano flash
kingbank KP260 1tb
ZhiTai TiPlus5000 1tb
under 300RMB
If prices keep falling HDDs will be dead :)
@@manofyeo the issue is that there is no great software raid and hardware card for consumers that allow you to take these cheap 1TB-2TB NVME modules and compete with storage of a single 16TB spin drive that runs $200-270 USD.
Why are we using SATA SSD in the first place or is that some minority minimum wage trash problem?
SATA SSDs are still useful for older systems without NVMe support and still work quite well even as a boot drive. I'm sure most people like me still use them from acquiring them in thee past when NVMe drives were ridiculously expensive. I wouldn't recommend someone to buy one now unless they had to since it doesn't make much sense but there's no reason to not use them if you already have them.
Holy shit! This comment is _dripping_ with toxicity.
In common use cases, there's a negligible difference in write performance between NVME and SATA III. The average user isn't typically moving mass quantities of data.
In most read cases, the difference is indistinguishable. Even most games won't benefit meaningfully.
Therefore, as a primary drive, SATA SSDs are perfectly suitable for the *majority* of people. Even power users (the "minority") stand to benefit greatly from their use as they balance great read performance and reliability at a lower cost (~1/2) than NVME SSDs.
@@redslate I have such an older machine here. Total unit - been strong since 2012 and exclusively for gaming. Over the years I have put in 2 x SATA SSDs and I have to say they are great boot drives! Would like to see a some kind of tests comparing the same system+OS boot time for NVME latest gen; NVME older gen; SATA SSD. But as you have alluded to already - I bet there is precious little difference. Crystal Disk Mark is just a benchmark after all. What matters is rubber on the road so to speak. (edit spelling)
@@redslateyour pricing is from last decade - show me a SataIII ssd that’s half the price of nvme and I’ll buy it, I need one for a sata m.2 enclosure. Nowadays they all cost more than nvme, because they’re an outdated technology.
@@cgsather3309 The fuck it is...
And, the fuck they are!
Prices are in flux shit-for-brains.
Not low enough for the capacity. HDD still beats it by a long shot.
This is true since you can get an 8TB CMR HDD for under $100 now. Great for general storage.
Even if prices were par, I'd say 3.5" HDDs* are more reliable long-term cold storage. SSDs can fail without warning and take all your data. HDDs usually don't fail suddenly, and give enough warning signs to move your data off if they are having issues. Also, the magnetic recording in HDDs should last longer without refreshing compared to the electric charges used in SSDs.
*2.5" HDDs are pure trash in comparison though. Don't trust those.
@@kunka592 I'm surprised to still see ignorant comments like this.
SSDs last much longer than HDDs, meaning you don't need to "look for 'warning signs;'" you just upgrade to a new drive whenever the capacity is no longer adequate. The drive will likely outlast your data needs.
Experiments have shown 250GB SSDs lasting several hundred TBWs (the equivalent of more than 100GB written *daily* for an entire *decade* ). This only scales up with capacity.
Additionally, most SSDs are designed to lock themselves into ROM mode upon failure; your data isn't lost. Indications and Warnings preceeding that continue to improve with software.
@@redslate Cool tests, bro. Please keep all your data on SSDs without HDD backups. When your SSD decides to suddenly nuke itself with 99% of its NAND writes still remaining, don't go crying about it because it obviously couldn't happen in this universe.
@Kun Ka Nice strawman: presenting data redundancy as a mutually exclusive, medium-bound practice. That's not at all accurate, nor is it a logical justification for your asinine assertion.
Congratulations, you continue to retain your ignorance. 🤤
Which is best for hacking?
I'm not sure.
@@manofyeo Not all questions are to be answered. Leave the dumb questions to rot on the vine.
Ah mistake #1 you have spent money on an Asrock pos ..
Mistake #2 samsung hw is good still but their Cs is sucky at best and is falling still
For a $60 motherboard it has done its job very well for 3 years. I started with a 3600 and now have a 5700x and it still runs perfectly. Nothing shite about that.
CrystalDiskInfo
The benchmarking one is called CyrstalDiskMark.
Kingston NV 2 is the Best