What a fantastic interview by Gilly. Very perceptive and passionate. The fact that Justin's old team mates are so loyally sticking up for him says so much about his character. He was so popular as a player due to his commitment and dedication to the team. What on earth is going on in the Australiam team that such a successful player and coach is treated with so little respect.
Sadly the very same thing happened with Anil Kumble in the Indian team - player power helped to oust him too as the Indian coach! Just like Langer, he too is a very passionate & blunt character but it seems players these days rather have a 'doormat coach' who'll mollycoddle & pamper their inflated egos instead - even when things are not going well for the team.
@@starwood213 Totally agree with you. Now with Rahul Dravid as coach, he clearly is a totally different character to Kumble & not sure he is capable of 'kicking a few backsides' in the dressing room when necessary. He did well managing the U19 side but then players at that level would look up to him with the utmost respect & quietly listen to every word he says. However when it comes to dealing with the top stars at senior level with their big egos, it is obviously a completely different scenario! When the team are not doing that well & were humiliated in SA recently due to a number of their star players like Kohli being in very poor form these past two years, will the more reserved style of Dravid's management [that reflects his own personal character] be able to turn around the form of these struggling players & will they really listen to him?
@@blantyre60 yes, I recall Rahul Dravid as a player being extremely decent and mild mannered. I think a lot of the players today are extremely entitled due to the big money and many opportunities, especially arising from T20. I hope he doesn't get run over by the players.
@@blantyre60 Kumble is a great player, but he was a FLOP coach, please don't DEFEND him. There is a reason why he FAILED with both team India and Punjab Kings. He should never have been given the job in the first place.
He’s spot on with the comment that this group, for the most part, was the group that dragged Australian cricket into one of its lowest points in history. Langer is brought in to right the ship and now it’s these same players who decide Langer isn’t good enough for Australian cricketing culture or ‘unity’? Ridiculous
@@2partiesnotpreferred226 Only two ? Smith, the captain, knew and was suspended for 12 months due to his involvement. The bowlers in that SA test surely knew the ball had been scuffed in some ways - they pick up that 'tool of their trade' before bowling each ball and inspect it in order to know which side shines so that they can apply the appropriate grip that is best suited for swing, seam or spin bowling. The perpetrators of Australian crickets greatest shame are back running the circus. Disgusting.
As an England fan I would love Langer to come over here and give our players a kick-up the backside that they clearly need. Too much player power in 21st century sport, players are spoilt kids these days.
I’m absolutely disgusted as to how JL Is being dragged through the mud by Cricket Australia and the team, 4-0 still not good enough for you Cricket Australia huh 🤔
Haha you think JL won this ashes series? We didn't need a coach at all to beat that sad English team. Plus Langer never won a test series away from home. I don't understand why JL is praised so much.. he was annoying. Telling players they couldn't have a toasted sandwich! Why the hell not?? Telling players they aren't allowed to wear a watch on their wrist! Why not? He was a strange little born again Christian with a huge chip on his shoulder
@@joedont9307 He's praised because he took Australia from one of it's lowest points in history,and restored the team's culture to a respectable place,and had plenty of success along the way. Every coach has their quirks,and I have no time for religious zealots,but no coach has ever been treated this poorly while his team was doing so well on the field. The payers have become too precious,and have been given too much power over the coach by CA. Langer was the only challenge these precious players faced in their otherwise perfect lives. They must be very pleased with themselves. Especially Scummins.
@@bct8881 "Langer was the only challenge these precious players faced in their otherwise perfect lives." Sure mate, catch the India series in 2020? Langer was in hiding after that. Only through Cummins carrying a lousy Starc and Lyon were we ever competitive in that series Australia wins a home Ashes under Langer - where England haven't won a SINGLE TEST in since 2011, and suddenly the sun shines out of his ass. Give me a spell
Cricket Australia needs a pitch broom put through them. We had just gotten to a place where Australian cricket could hold its head high. There is obviously some things in the back ground but JL did not deserve this treatment. I want to be proud of Australian cricket - this makes me sad.
I’ve been a vocal supporter of the ACB but not now. Justin has been treated like he has leprosy. What he has done since Sandpaper Gate is phenomenal. He even had a big six figure bonus on table and he knocked it back so the ACB didn’t have to sack workers. I hope, bite my tongue, the Poms grab him and he does an equally good job. There are a few major players, in the change room need to take a bloody good look at themselves
Imagine being hired to do a job, be successful and your employers reap the benefits. Only to be pushed out once they've cashed in... Should rename. Themselves to Cricket Un-Australian
1. Mark Taylor likes the fact that the captain is now in charge of the team. So what's the point of having a coach I ask? 2. If you have a successful business and the manager keeps getting the results despite all the whining from the workers, why would you get rid of the manager?
What a strange place to be, after such an emphatically dominant series and a 2 year period of resurgence. This should be the time for celebration but instead we find ourselves confused and ashamed. Ashamed at how a true Aussie legend has been treated, at how the ACB let it happen.
Very disturbing interview. Especially when you are talking about culture and legacy which represent long term strategy of CA. The board might want to consider this when making these decisions going forward. Players come and go but it is what CA stand for as the long term vision and strategy of how we play this game in this country.
Player power has gone crazy these days, and in this particular instance I think this will come back to bite CA in the backside. What happens when the new coach comes in and the team needs a verbal lashing to get them going? Sometimes even at the highest levels home truths are needed, will the new coach do that now after seeing what happened to Langer? You can picture it now they are doing fitness drills and the senior players are going to go nah don't want to do those extra sprints today. Langer might be intense but the coach is meant to push players beyond what they think they are capable of, that's their job. The new coach is going to be coming in with one hand already tied behind his back. More concerning for CA is that there are clearly players leaking stuff to the press in order to get Langer removed, so putting their own wants ahead of the stability of CA which is really bad news.
I am confused to why with all the Great cricketers and businessmen in Australia why we have an Englishmen running Cricket Australia. Seems weird that he is trying to get rid of a successful coach lets get rid of Nick Hockley and put an Aussie in that job.
Good to see the NSW Sandpaper crew got their own way. Cummins is only Captain until Warner retires and releases his book and the world finds out what gutless snakes they all are letting others take the heat for them
Turned this toxic Team around after the South African debacle and sandpaper gate, most of these characters were in South Africa, now overthrown by these people, back to the good old days fellahs, when you ran the team .. entitled millionaires
Disgusting treatment of JL After the sandpaper cheating incident I was finished with our cricket. team. JL and Tim Paine brought me back in. Think I will stay out this time.
Also I meant to say thank you to Justin Langer for all you have done for the game. If I was on the Hobart hurricanes board I would have called you a dozen times by now mate. Love and respect from Tasmania.
A coach isn’t there to be best mates or popular. His coaching like what was said in this interview with Gilly, was to get the TEAM to improve, perform and win. And he did that. Sounds like spoilt brats who think they know better.
It's quite baffling. Just when you think Australia turned the corner with the T20 world cup win and the ashes, the players and the board go ahead and do this. I hope Cummins and Co know what they're doing because they just threw away a very strong character from their locker room.
Unnecessary controversy. I blame CA for poor public communication from the start. This should have been handled professionally, with good intent and communicating with clarity.
shame on anyone who had any kind of involvement in the abysmal treatment of this decent person and excellent coach...i've been a supporter of australian cricket for many years, but not anymore....
Got rid of a great cricketer who gave everything in playing and coaching.There is nothing more Langer could have done results wise so this just shows how selfish the players are especially Cummins as captain and also Warner and Smith who Langer was happy to have return to the side.I have always supported the Australian side but I just can't follow this current side after what they just did.
@alex K he averaged just over 45, which is better than Haynes, Greenidge, Boon, Taylor, Strauss, Cook and a whole raft of other openers. Every bat in the side is a role player. A good opening combination makes life that much easier for the more aggressive middle order stroke players like Waugh, Ponting and Clarke.
Who the hell would want to be the next coach after witnessing this garbage. Not anyone with a backbone that's for sure. The players are very talented yes and JL obviously got that out of them. When the current players inevitably do fail and probably at the world cup at home if not sooner it is those current players the Australian public will turn on. Could be a very pivotal point in Australian cricket again where this time no one with a spine will want to touch Aussie cricket and we'll end up with Mr Nice guy coach for the players and return poor results like with ex England cricket coach Chris Silverwood. The Independent in the UK has written an article with the headline "England set to turn to Alec Stewart’s firm hand after the failure of Chris Silverwood’s soft touch". I fear it is Australia losing 4 or 5 nil next time. Or if you like conspiracy theories then you'll agree that Cricket Australia's current CEO (Nick Hockley) who happen's to be born in Birmingham is setting England up for an England win next Ashes campaign over in the UK.
@alex K Intelligence is not your strong point is it.Noticed your all over the comments section with your crap,most are ignoring you but I just couldn't help myself it's not every day a complete moron gives me a bit of a laugh .
Totally get what Gilly was saying but not one mention of Tim Paine the other saviour of Australian cricket along with Langer, what about the impact on his and his families lives. His situation was dealt with 4yrs ago but was still dragged up again with a source that is heading to jail for embezzlement. Where was Whateley’s support of him, along with the rest of them he dined out on his misery?
He has inherited all of this. Paine and Finch have questioned Langers coaching for over a year. Cummins is caught in the middle. If you lose the dressing room you have to go. A coach is better of being emotionless. It's good to have passion but you can't have guys walking on egg shells because you can't control your emotions. All players should feel confident to talk to the coach at all times. He needs to be there biggest critic but also the biggest supporter. Most coaches are still learning it takes years to hone your skills as a coach. It's more about man management then knowing the game. They always have specialist coaches. The head coach is all about tactics and preparing each individual to perform there best.
Bizarre comment. Cummins is a great bowler, and tough as nails, and so far has been an exemplary captain. Langer is very high maintenance and Test cricket is hard enough without all the drama surrounding him.
@@rogerparker4468 I dunno about tough as nails, I was the bigest fan of pat 5 years ago but his back kept letting him down. Just can't handle him having every opportunity to defend JL but as stark and gille said he just kept letting them questions threw to the keeper. He doesn't like JL alot of them don't because JL is a old school coach, it's not a problem for the kids willing to shut up and learn but then there's the ones who can't handle criticism, I don't like that on the big stage. Gotta be tough and rise above it and answer the criticism with result not cowardice
To think the let a cheating poison play for Australia who ruined a young blokes career who was desperate for his approval, yet the sack the 2 blokes who put us back on the map !!!!! Disgusting
Why would these guys want a volatile 'angry-ant' as their coach... delivering Winston Churchill style speeches. All these ex-players supporting him played WITH him & not UNDER him. By the way, I believe the team only really started dominating when Langer took a back seat.
NSW Cricket Mafia are piss weak. Cummins has shown really poor leadership - lack of. Really bad leadership from CA and as a result a champion of the game is lost to Australian cricket. Disgusting. Well said Gilly, very measured and accurate.
Interesting that both gilly and Warner have questioned the honesty of cricket Australia. I found it extraordinary that after the sandpaper incident and the subsequent so-called inquiry all I really wanted to know was never even addressed.. that was what was supposed to happen when Warner smith and Bancroft had successfully cheated and scratched hell out of the ball.. what was starc or Lyon meant to do when the ball was thrown back to them? If they don't show the umpire they are just as guilty and if they do then their captain vice captain and newby are all in deep sh.. cricket Australia did not respect us enough to answer this fundamental question. Sad
He probably told them their not special, if you loose get over it and act like men not like children, as there is no safe space to run too in my team. I guess that upset the little entitled didums didn't it.
It does seem like a bit of a kick in the guts , he re built this current Aussie team that was in shambles since Lehmann how can they do it to him after coaching ashes series in England to keep the ashes , a 1st ever t20 WC title team and a 4-0 ashes win as a coach who basically saved Australia cricket. Seems a bit harsh
Its obvious that Gilly hasnt liked the decision CA have made because its affected his good mate and former teammate. Gilly, it aint personal mate. Its business and thats the way it is. Accept it and move on.
Cricket in this country has been on a downward spiral for a fair while now ,this will make it worse ,you rarely see kids playing playing cricket in the street these days ,it all starts from the top
The players shpuld have zero say shut up be proffessional and do their job. Langer has brought them from diaster to where they are now. You dont have to like your boss to succeed maybe their getting way too much money.
Player power has been on the up over the past 25 years. Gilly, Punter, Junior, Warnie, Hayden and many others were all part of it, and benefitted from it greatly. but as they say in the AFL, a great player doesn't mean a great coach. CA let Langer finish his contract. Offering him a once-off extension was a bit dopey. There's obviously stuff we don't totally know but if you lose the support of the players, then well .... I think the MSM have jumped on board to fuel the fires and we have what we have today. Sure, Smith and Warner are still there, remnants of the sander-paper fiasco, but there are also a lot of newer faces. Sad to see this but Gilly, surely this is an employee-employer situation that wouldn't normally be public knowledge?
Lost the dressing room time to move on, not the first and won't be the last. Time for ex players to stop trying to burn the house down just so they can support they're mate.
@@shiraz1736 true but it was the win at all cost mentality from Lehman. I think since Pat has had the Captaincy they've played the game in the right spirit, moving even further away from the old school win at all costs. Move on and they will be judged by their performances
@@brandon197sf Hmm its messy and there all coming across as juveniles. The fact that Smith ended up as a stand in captain for one of the test's says it all. Warner and Smith should be batting and shutting up.
Nobody is seeing the bigger picture. However you think CA handled the matter (I think poorly) JL was never the best long term option for Australia. I don't know how exactly it has worked in England or elsewhere, but Australian test teams have never warmed to authoritative coaches. We didn't even have a team coach until the 80s. When Tubby fronted the press for the first time as the captain he more or less told Bob Simpson where to go. The players white anted the micromanager Mickey Arthur some time ago as well. Exceptional circumstances called for an exceptional style of coach. The team was in crisis, the culture was a putrid imitation of what it should've been, and the players needed reminding of what our values are. JL came in and did that, but he's been full of himself and has tried to reinvent what a standard test coach is. Being a test coach isn't about making Sir Alex Ferguson proud, it's about being head of support for the cricketers. If he goes to England he will improve them because they need a good kick up the arse as well, but mark my words his methods will begin to wear thin on them.
And if it wasn't for A.B and Bob Simpson, we might not have had such a dominant period as we did through the 90s and early 2000s. They built the platform and everyone else reaped the benefits.
i respectfully disagree with thecomments against pat,the same media were talking about theintense behaviour last yearafter australia lost to india, yes coach has achieved a lot and in thi s year withworld cup and ashes and full marks to that, and beingintense is not bad and not being laid back and waiting for things to happen but always there is a balance in coaching and what we see today might havebeen the flashpoint which might have happened at any time and when you lose the respect of the staff and players then there is no use of being the coach, wins and loses are part and parcel of a spoting team and nation but the relatonship one build is more important than the loses and wins, i felt cummins was more measured in handling this and this double speak of media based on convernience and circumstances is what frustating me, this is a captain game and it is the players who go and perform and not the coaches, and most successful and well respected are those who find the balance between intensity and taking backseat, more of either of these lead to ouster like it happened to silverwood and langer, and these criticism are just for scoring brownie points , just victories dont make being and end of a cricket game it is more than that in this pandemic and cricket australia handled this much better compared to the tim paine and sandpaper , it was a tough decision to take but something which had to be taken at somepoint
Good philosophers keep their points short, clear and concise. Unfortunately you have not completed any of the above; but rather made excuses for a group of elite, international sportsmen who are more worried about their desire ‘to be heard’ than they are about intensifying their efforts toward the job that they earn a fortune to both promote and stay successful at. Political Correctness has brought down the on field performances of many an elite athlete around the world... and these players are falling into the same ‘woke’ trap. Hopefully, for your sake, you do not do the same... but your comment suggests. People whom make excuses for other’s bad behaviour are a part of the problem of why sports are becoming less relevant to a society and culture that was built on sport.
@@djpodesta what is woke in this behaviour, is what i dont understand, if a player is not able to work with a coach, he has the right to resectfully say no and pat being a good person may be doesnt want to sound harsh on langer so he is answering them diplomatically, what else do you want him, to do, when people are open people criticize them for being to open and not taking the middle path else people target them for being diplomatic, players expressed this way back in the bangladesh tour and the antics of langer was well seen when he had a fight with the australian media persons , you cannot have an intense person who loses his mind continously and cant keep his cool, this is an elite sport where you need to keep check on your emotions and take middle path, i respectfully open to others rebutting my opinion, this is what i feel and i might be wrong, but it is better to see differentopinion
@@vasanthnarain5639 If the issue were just about ‘sporting personalities’ I would agree with you Vasanth. Unfortunately there is a culture shift where sports stars… and subordinates in general have changed their attitude toward any sort of authority… claiming ‘oppression’ against anybody whom has a harsh word toward them. These sports stars have the backing of the media in general and feel that they are above reproach in many instances. The future will deliver the results… Just look at the off field behaviour/controversy of many highly paid footballers, swimmers… etc. As I said, if the culture around these sports stars, whom are diplomatic in public, yet back stabbers in private… were different… I would have agreed with your middle ground approach to the situation. Unfortunately, the ACB has given in to the new ‘woke culture’ of society and there will not be any ‘winners’ in this situation.
@@vasanthnarain5639 PS… Did you read about an English soccer coach being sacked for being too soft on the players? The next Australian Cricket Coach will be facing similar issues because the ACB gave in to the players complaints.
I think it was time for JL to go. Too much noise around it. Also, for all those people who talk about Australia having won and JL turning around the team etc - well that only happened after Smith and Warner came back!! also winning is not everything - wasnt that the lesson we learnt from the whole sandpapergate - why do people talk about the win in last two series as reason to keep him - that should not be the be all and end all. Luckily his intensity and aggressiveness did not rub off on the team who played more within spirit of the game. Last thing we want is his aggressiveness and intensity to lead to players taking the other side to task. Also, I won't forgot this about JL - he took the same amount of "childish" behaviour to player relations it seems: ruclips.net/video/9rm1lUgPBc0/видео.html
I love Gilly. Whatever your perspective is on the whole situation you have to respect Gilly and his straight forward attitude.
It’s so sad to see this happen to langer after all he has done , rips your heart out .
Who cares mate. He left anyway gets plenty of cash
I am sure he would rather be coaching the team he has put a huge amount of effort into , money not everything
@@chrisrayner2993 maybe Chris but I think they know like a footy coach time is limited at the top
@@patkelly6349 It's usually limited by failure.
Not success.
@@bct8881 yes that makes sense
Gilly has a broader sense of build up and happenings around CA, Players & JL. He talks rationally.
What a fantastic interview by Gilly. Very perceptive and passionate. The fact that Justin's old team mates are so loyally sticking up for him says so much about his character. He was so popular as a player due to his commitment and dedication to the team. What on earth is going on in the Australiam team that such a successful player and coach is treated with so little respect.
Sadly the very same thing happened with Anil Kumble in the Indian team - player power helped to oust him too as the Indian coach! Just like Langer, he too is a very passionate & blunt character but it seems players these days rather have a 'doormat coach' who'll mollycoddle & pamper their inflated egos instead - even when things are not going well for the team.
@@blantyre60 Anil kumble was a fantastic player. What a shame.
@@starwood213 Totally agree with you. Now with Rahul Dravid as coach, he clearly is a totally different character to Kumble & not sure he is capable of 'kicking a few backsides' in the dressing room when necessary. He did well managing the U19 side but then players at that level would look up to him with the utmost respect & quietly listen to every word he says. However when it comes to dealing with the top stars at senior level with their big egos, it is obviously a completely different scenario! When the team are not doing that well & were humiliated in SA recently due to a number of their star players like Kohli being in very poor form these past two years, will the more reserved style of Dravid's management [that reflects his own personal character] be able to turn around the form of these struggling players & will they really listen to him?
@@blantyre60 yes, I recall Rahul Dravid as a player being extremely decent and mild mannered. I think a lot of the players today are extremely entitled due to the big money and many opportunities, especially arising from T20. I hope he doesn't get run over by the players.
@@blantyre60 Kumble is a great player, but he was a FLOP coach, please don't DEFEND him.
There is a reason why he FAILED with both team India and Punjab Kings. He should never have been given the job in the first place.
He’s spot on with the comment that this group, for the most part, was the group that dragged Australian cricket into one of its lowest points in history. Langer is brought in to right the ship and now it’s these same players who decide Langer isn’t good enough for Australian cricketing culture or ‘unity’? Ridiculous
There were only 2 players involved in that incident, warner and Bancroft.
@@2partiesnotpreferred226 yeah I’m sure the bowlers totally didn’t know what was going on lol
@@user-cx9gq2ud6t they were never a chance to win at that time so why would the bowlers be asking for this. It was just mastermind warner lol
@@2partiesnotpreferred226 let’s wait until Warner’s book comes out lol
@@2partiesnotpreferred226
Only two ?
Smith, the captain, knew and was suspended for 12 months due to his involvement.
The bowlers in that SA test surely
knew the ball had been scuffed in some ways - they pick up that 'tool of their trade' before bowling each ball and inspect it in order to know which side shines so that they can apply the appropriate grip that is best suited for swing, seam or spin bowling.
The perpetrators of Australian crickets greatest shame are back running the circus. Disgusting.
As an England fan I would love Langer to come over here and give our players a kick-up the backside that they clearly need. Too much player power in 21st century sport, players are spoilt kids these days.
Not wrong mate, I hope Langer go to England and Pomes can kick Australians ass next year.
I've never heard Gilly this frustrated. Feels like this moment is going to define cricket in Australia for the next few years. Not good.
Hope Justin come to England new coach soon 👍👍🏴🏴🏏🏏🏏
I’m absolutely disgusted as to how JL Is being dragged through the mud by Cricket Australia and the team, 4-0 still not good enough for you Cricket Australia huh 🤔
Haha you think JL won this ashes series? We didn't need a coach at all to beat that sad English team. Plus Langer never won a test series away from home. I don't understand why JL is praised so much.. he was annoying. Telling players they couldn't have a toasted sandwich! Why the hell not?? Telling players they aren't allowed to wear a watch on their wrist! Why not? He was a strange little born again Christian with a huge chip on his shoulder
@@joedont9307 He's praised because he took Australia from one of it's lowest points in history,and restored the team's culture to a respectable place,and had plenty of success along the way.
Every coach has their quirks,and I have no time for religious zealots,but no coach has ever been treated this poorly while his team was doing so well on the field.
The payers have become too precious,and have been given too much power over the coach by CA.
Langer was the only challenge these precious players faced in their otherwise perfect lives.
They must be very pleased with themselves.
Especially Scummins.
@@bct8881 "Langer was the only challenge these precious players faced in their otherwise perfect lives." Sure mate, catch the India series in 2020? Langer was in hiding after that. Only through Cummins carrying a lousy Starc and Lyon were we ever competitive in that series
Australia wins a home Ashes under Langer - where England haven't won a SINGLE TEST in since 2011, and suddenly the sun shines out of his ass. Give me a spell
@@noddingyellow5449 Scummins fanboy huh?
You sound as whiny as he does.
Weak.
Cricket Australia needs a pitch broom put through them. We had just gotten to a place where Australian cricket could hold its head high. There is obviously some things in the back ground but JL did not deserve this treatment. I want to be proud of Australian cricket - this makes me sad.
Who cares
Stumps
@@patkelly6349 u do obviously 🙄
Gillie is an impressive human being
@alex K a faker?
@alex K How so?
@alex K You need help!
@alex K You don't even know the guy. You need help.
I’ve been a vocal supporter of the ACB but not now. Justin has been treated like he has leprosy. What he has done since Sandpaper Gate is phenomenal. He even had a big six figure bonus on table and he knocked it back so the ACB didn’t have to sack workers. I hope, bite my tongue, the Poms grab him and he does an equally good job. There are a few major players, in the change room need to take a bloody good look at themselves
There’s a few who should have NEVER been allowed to wear the baggy green again after sandpaper gate.
I can’t even watch Australia play anymore.
Warner and Smith will come out with press conferences claiming that Langer taught Bancroft how to use sandpaper.
Sounds like Cancel Culture and Woke-ism inside Cricket Australia and certain players.
Imagine being hired to do a job, be successful and your employers reap the benefits. Only to be pushed out once they've cashed in... Should rename. Themselves to Cricket Un-Australian
1. Mark Taylor likes the fact that the captain is now in charge of the team. So what's the point of having a coach I ask?
2. If you have a successful business and the manager keeps getting the results despite all the whining from the workers, why would you get rid of the manager?
What a strange place to be, after such an emphatically dominant series and a 2 year period of resurgence. This should be the time for celebration but instead we find ourselves confused and ashamed. Ashamed at how a true Aussie legend has been treated, at how the ACB let it happen.
Very disturbing interview. Especially when you are talking about culture and legacy which represent long term strategy of CA. The board might want to consider this when making these decisions going forward. Players come and go but it is what CA stand for as the long term vision and strategy of how we play this game in this country.
Player power has gone crazy these days, and in this particular instance I think this will come back to bite CA in the backside.
What happens when the new coach comes in and the team needs a verbal lashing to get them going?
Sometimes even at the highest levels home truths are needed, will the new coach do that now after seeing what happened to Langer?
You can picture it now they are doing fitness drills and the senior players are going to go nah don't want to do those extra sprints today.
Langer might be intense but the coach is meant to push players beyond what they think they are capable of, that's their job.
The new coach is going to be coming in with one hand already tied behind his back.
More concerning for CA is that there are clearly players leaking stuff to the press in order to get Langer removed, so putting their own wants ahead of the stability of CA which is really bad news.
That's a very good point.
I am confused to why with all the Great cricketers and businessmen in Australia why we have an Englishmen running Cricket Australia. Seems weird that he is trying to get rid of a successful coach lets get rid of Nick Hockley and put an Aussie in that job.
@alex K
Keep reading the stars and Phantom comics.
Put Justin in charge of "cleaning out " Cricket Australia, they are disgusting.
Good to see the NSW Sandpaper crew got their own way. Cummins is only Captain until Warner retires and releases his book and the world finds out what gutless snakes they all are letting others take the heat for them
We'll have him in England.
Turned this toxic Team around after the South African debacle and sandpaper gate, most of these characters were in South Africa, now overthrown by these people, back to the good old days fellahs, when you ran the team .. entitled millionaires
I think its time some one comes out from under the rug and names the players and staff involved in this.
Poor Pat Thunberg, did he shout at you then ? Awwww group hug
Disgusting treatment of JL After the sandpaper cheating incident I was finished with our cricket. team. JL and Tim Paine brought me back in. Think I will stay out this time.
Also I meant to say thank you to Justin Langer for all you have done for the game. If I was on the Hobart hurricanes board I would have called you a dozen times by now mate. Love and respect from Tasmania.
A coach isn’t there to be best mates or popular. His coaching like what was said in this interview with Gilly, was to get the TEAM to improve, perform and win. And he did that.
Sounds like spoilt brats who think they know better.
It's quite baffling. Just when you think Australia turned the corner with the T20 world cup win and the ashes, the players and the board go ahead and do this. I hope Cummins and Co know what they're doing because they just threw away a very strong character from their locker room.
Unnecessary controversy. I blame CA for poor public communication from the start. This should have been handled professionally, with good intent and communicating with clarity.
Superb insights by Gilly 👏👏
Kumble sacked, Justin sacked, the pat Cummins and the kohls think they are better than Kumble and Justin but the reality is they are not.
Absolutely!! Enuf of this player power bs..Coach should be a strong character and not there as a cheerleader!!
shame on anyone who had any kind of involvement in the abysmal treatment of this decent person and excellent coach...i've been a supporter of australian cricket for many years, but not anymore....
Got rid of a great cricketer who gave everything in playing and coaching.There is nothing more Langer could have done results wise so this just shows how selfish the players are especially Cummins as captain and also Warner and Smith who Langer was happy to have return to the side.I have always supported the Australian side but I just can't follow this current side after what they just did.
@alex K So your in the know? please elaborate on your statement.
@alex K Ok so one of the most successful openers in cricket history is an average batsman, I cant waste any more time here.
@alex K he averaged just over 45, which is better than Haynes, Greenidge, Boon, Taylor, Strauss, Cook and a whole raft of other openers. Every bat in the side is a role player. A good opening combination makes life that much easier for the more aggressive middle order stroke players like Waugh, Ponting and Clarke.
a disgrace on this current team of pre madonnas
*prima donnas
@@cascade3769 thanks
time for langer to head to england n get their situation sorted n rub it in the faces of CA n the player group
Who the hell would want to be the next coach after witnessing this garbage. Not anyone with a backbone that's for sure.
The players are very talented yes and JL obviously got that out of them. When the current players inevitably do fail and probably at the world cup at home if not sooner it is those current players the Australian public will turn on. Could be a very pivotal point in Australian cricket again where this time no one with a spine will want to touch Aussie cricket and we'll end up with Mr Nice guy coach for the players and return poor results like with ex England cricket coach Chris Silverwood.
The Independent in the UK has written an article with the headline "England set to turn to Alec Stewart’s firm hand after the failure of Chris Silverwood’s soft touch".
I fear it is Australia losing 4 or 5 nil next time.
Or if you like conspiracy theories then you'll agree that Cricket Australia's current CEO (Nick Hockley) who happen's to be born in Birmingham is setting England up for an England win next Ashes campaign over in the UK.
@alex K Intelligence is not your strong point is it.Noticed your all over the comments section with your crap,most are ignoring you but I just couldn't help myself it's not every day a complete moron gives me a bit of a laugh .
Gilchrist best player ever !!! Love England
Thank you Adam. May I join your cabinet when you become Prime Minister of West Australia?
Premier of WA, but he could be Prime Minister also. What a cricketer he is.
Justine and Gilly will always be higher standing than the current group of players for me.
Totally get what Gilly was saying but not one mention of Tim Paine the other saviour of Australian cricket along with Langer, what about the impact on his and his families lives. His situation was dealt with 4yrs ago but was still dragged up again with a source that is heading to jail for embezzlement. Where was Whateley’s support of him, along with the rest of them he dined out on his misery?
They're going to look pretty stupid if they don't carry on winning...
This point i hope they lose
@@teddylark2357 Could'nt happen to a nicer bunch than CA.
Got your way didn't you princess Cummins
He has inherited all of this. Paine and Finch have questioned Langers coaching for over a year. Cummins is caught in the middle. If you lose the dressing room you have to go. A coach is better of being emotionless. It's good to have passion but you can't have guys walking on egg shells because you can't control your emotions. All players should feel confident to talk to the coach at all times. He needs to be there biggest critic but also the biggest supporter. Most coaches are still learning it takes years to hone your skills as a coach. It's more about man management then knowing the game. They always have specialist coaches. The head coach is all about tactics and preparing each individual to perform there best.
Bizarre comment. Cummins is a great bowler, and tough as nails, and so far has been an exemplary captain. Langer is very high maintenance and Test cricket is hard enough without all the drama surrounding him.
@@rogerparker4468 I dunno about tough as nails, I was the bigest fan of pat 5 years ago but his back kept letting him down. Just can't handle him having every opportunity to defend JL but as stark and gille said he just kept letting them questions threw to the keeper. He doesn't like JL alot of them don't because JL is a old school coach, it's not a problem for the kids willing to shut up and learn but then there's the ones who can't handle criticism, I don't like that on the big stage. Gotta be tough and rise above it and answer the criticism with result not cowardice
To think the let a cheating poison play for Australia who ruined a young blokes career who was desperate for his approval, yet the sack the 2 blokes who put us back on the map !!!!! Disgusting
… “the uncertainty of truth..”. Quite.
Why would these guys want a volatile 'angry-ant' as their coach... delivering Winston Churchill style speeches.
All these ex-players supporting him played WITH him & not UNDER him.
By the way, I believe the team only really started dominating when Langer took a back seat.
(English fan here) has this decision been unpopular in Australia? Watching the test series it seemed the players did not like langer
NSW Cricket Mafia are piss weak. Cummins has shown really poor leadership - lack of. Really bad leadership from CA and as a result a champion of the game is lost to Australian cricket. Disgusting. Well said Gilly, very measured and accurate.
Interesting that both gilly and Warner have questioned the honesty of cricket Australia. I found it extraordinary that after the sandpaper incident and the subsequent so-called inquiry all I really wanted to know was never even addressed.. that was what was supposed to happen when Warner smith and Bancroft had successfully cheated and scratched hell out of the ball.. what was starc or Lyon meant to do when the ball was thrown back to them? If they don't show the umpire they are just as guilty and if they do then their captain vice captain and newby are all in deep sh.. cricket Australia did not respect us enough to answer this fundamental question. Sad
Still they are a fraud team afterall before his arrival. . So they are again going to be the same . . Just 3_4 years of good cricket passed by
The players just didn't like Langer
He probably told them their not special, if you loose get over it and act like men not like children, as there is no safe space to run too in my team. I guess that upset the little entitled didums didn't it.
It does seem like a bit of a kick in the guts , he re built this current Aussie team that was in shambles since Lehmann how can they do it to him after coaching ashes series in England to keep the ashes , a 1st ever t20 WC title team and a 4-0 ashes win as a coach who basically saved Australia cricket. Seems a bit harsh
Its obvious that Gilly hasnt liked the decision CA have made because its affected his good mate and former teammate. Gilly, it aint personal mate. Its business and thats the way it is. Accept it and move on.
Well said CC!
Should resign over that cringe fest Green Baggy doco alone
If you lose the dressing room in any team sport, it's over
That's a key quality of being a manager
Man...I'm just waiting for England or India to pick up Justin as their head coach.
Wow.The rest of the Cricket World are wondering WTF?...
Oh well, we'll see when you come to NZ😩
What next, Woke Cummings has a cricket Australia float at the next Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
Terrible way to treat someone who wins t20 wc and Ashes in last 2 months
The prince of woke, Pat Cummings, has cancelled his first victim.
Being an intense coach, how would the effects of that multiply during the covid bubbles?
It would be awesome. Commitment, desire and focus to the ultimate
Langer to hard for these PC kids!!
they need a coach from NSW
Yep, NSW has been a powerhouse lately! Oh, wait...
Cricket in this country has been on a downward spiral for a fair while now ,this will make it worse ,you rarely see kids playing playing cricket in the street these days ,it all starts from the top
Langer got what was Cummins to him.
Cricket players want the money,but don’t want the hard yakka, look what happened to the West Indies.
The players shpuld have zero say shut up be proffessional and do their job. Langer has brought them from diaster to where they are now. You dont have to like your boss to succeed maybe their getting way too much money.
Come on langer, was it any different when you all bagged Buchanan and got him sacked 😂😂😂
Player power has been on the up over the past 25 years. Gilly, Punter, Junior, Warnie, Hayden and many others were all part of it, and benefitted from it greatly. but as they say in the AFL, a great player doesn't mean a great coach. CA let Langer finish his contract. Offering him a once-off extension was a bit dopey. There's obviously stuff we don't totally know but if you lose the support of the players, then well .... I think the MSM have jumped on board to fuel the fires and we have what we have today. Sure, Smith and Warner are still there, remnants of the sander-paper fiasco, but there are also a lot of newer faces. Sad to see this but Gilly, surely this is an employee-employer situation that wouldn't normally be public knowledge?
Hmm team democracy 🤣
Come on gilly , langer and all of yous bagged Buchanan back in the day !! 🤣🤣🤣
What’s the fuss about? He coached a team where the players didn’t like him and his methods!Next…
There is no Republic of Wetsern Australia. It is a State !!!!
Worst than sandpaper gate , f%$k our cricket team , lost me now..wont watch them again....nice work Patty
Bet Warner was also in on this , dirty Houso
Lost the dressing room time to move on, not the first and won't be the last. Time for ex players to stop trying to burn the house down just so they can support they're mate.
This current group burnt the house down 4 yrs ago, cant win lets cheat, complete embarrassment.
@@shiraz1736 true but it was the win at all cost mentality from Lehman. I think since Pat has had the Captaincy they've played the game in the right spirit, moving even further away from the old school win at all costs. Move on and they will be judged by their performances
@@brandon197sf Hmm its messy and there all coming across as juveniles. The fact that Smith ended up as a stand in captain for one of the test's says it all. Warner and Smith should be batting and shutting up.
Nobody is seeing the bigger picture. However you think CA handled the matter (I think poorly) JL was never the best long term option for Australia.
I don't know how exactly it has worked in England or elsewhere, but Australian test teams have never warmed to authoritative coaches. We didn't even have a team coach until the 80s. When Tubby fronted the press for the first time as the captain he more or less told Bob Simpson where to go. The players white anted the micromanager Mickey Arthur some time ago as well.
Exceptional circumstances called for an exceptional style of coach. The team was in crisis, the culture was a putrid imitation of what it should've been, and the players needed reminding of what our values are. JL came in and did that, but he's been full of himself and has tried to reinvent what a standard test coach is. Being a test coach isn't about making Sir Alex Ferguson proud, it's about being head of support for the cricketers.
If he goes to England he will improve them because they need a good kick up the arse as well, but mark my words his methods will begin to wear thin on them.
And if it wasn't for A.B and Bob Simpson, we might not have had such a dominant period as we did through the 90s and early 2000s. They built the platform and everyone else reaped the benefits.
@@eddieleben2787 you're probably right, but we probably wouldn't have had the same dominance if Simpson was still around being a pest for everyone.
You can't be serious. No idea what you are talking about.
@@kht140 so Cummins and the players want him gone for no reason?
@@nichobee A bunch of pansy players dictating the sacking of the coach. And CA going along with it? You gotta be kidding.
i respectfully disagree with thecomments against pat,the same media were talking about theintense behaviour last yearafter australia lost to india, yes coach has achieved a lot and in thi s year withworld cup and ashes and full marks to that, and beingintense is not bad and not being laid back and waiting for things to happen but always there is a balance in coaching and what we see today might havebeen the flashpoint which might have happened at any time and when you lose the respect of the staff and players then there is no use of being the coach, wins and loses are part and parcel of a spoting team and nation but the relatonship one build is more important than the loses and wins, i felt cummins was more measured in handling this and this double speak of media based on convernience and circumstances is what frustating me, this is a captain game and it is the players who go and perform and not the coaches, and most successful and well respected are those who find the balance between intensity and taking backseat, more of either of these lead to ouster like it happened to silverwood and langer, and these criticism are just for scoring brownie points , just victories dont make being and end of a cricket game it is more than that in this pandemic and cricket australia handled this much better compared to the tim paine and sandpaper , it was a tough decision to take but something which had to be taken at somepoint
Did anyone else struggle to read that?
I gave up by the 3rd line!
Good philosophers keep their points short, clear and concise.
Unfortunately you have not completed any of the above; but rather made excuses for a group of elite, international sportsmen who are more worried about their desire ‘to be heard’ than they are about intensifying their efforts toward the job that they earn a fortune to both promote and stay successful at.
Political Correctness has brought down the on field performances of many an elite athlete around the world... and these players are falling into the same ‘woke’ trap. Hopefully, for your sake, you do not do the same... but your comment suggests.
People whom make excuses for other’s bad behaviour are a part of the problem of why sports are becoming less relevant to a society and culture that was built on sport.
@@djpodesta what is woke in this behaviour, is what i dont understand, if a player is not able to work with a coach, he has the right to resectfully say no and pat being a good person may be doesnt want to sound harsh on langer so he is answering them diplomatically, what else do you want him, to do, when people are open people criticize them for being to open and not taking the middle path else people target them for being diplomatic, players expressed this way back in the bangladesh tour and the antics of langer was well seen when he had a fight with the australian media persons , you cannot have an intense person who loses his mind continously and cant keep his cool, this is an elite sport where you need to keep check on your emotions and take middle path, i respectfully open to others rebutting my opinion, this is what i feel and i might be wrong, but it is better to see differentopinion
@@vasanthnarain5639 If the issue were just about ‘sporting personalities’ I would agree with you Vasanth.
Unfortunately there is a culture shift where sports stars… and subordinates in general have changed their attitude toward any sort of authority… claiming ‘oppression’ against anybody whom has a harsh word toward them.
These sports stars have the backing of the media in general and feel that they are above reproach in many instances.
The future will deliver the results… Just look at the off field behaviour/controversy of many highly paid footballers, swimmers… etc.
As I said, if the culture around these sports stars, whom are diplomatic in public, yet back stabbers in private… were different… I would have agreed with your middle ground approach to the situation.
Unfortunately, the ACB has given in to the new ‘woke culture’ of society and there will not be any ‘winners’ in this situation.
@@vasanthnarain5639 PS… Did you read about an English soccer coach being sacked for being too soft on the players?
The next Australian Cricket Coach will be facing similar issues because the ACB gave in to the players complaints.
The guy didn't deserve another 4 year contract because Gilly is his mate, so long to an ordinary coach.
Check your medications.
Second best winning percentage after Buchanan so.....
I think it was time for JL to go. Too much noise around it. Also, for all those people who talk about Australia having won and JL turning around the team etc - well that only happened after Smith and Warner came back!! also winning is not everything - wasnt that the lesson we learnt from the whole sandpapergate - why do people talk about the win in last two series as reason to keep him - that should not be the be all and end all. Luckily his intensity and aggressiveness did not rub off on the team who played more within spirit of the game. Last thing we want is his aggressiveness and intensity to lead to players taking the other side to task. Also, I won't forgot this about JL - he took the same amount of "childish" behaviour to player relations it seems: ruclips.net/video/9rm1lUgPBc0/видео.html