I did 23 and Me and I found my lost Grandfather and gained a bunch of Aunts and Uncles and cousins. It's been great and I didn't want to do the test originally. And my paternal haplogroup is E-M183 which is most prevalent in Morocco and Algeria. Damn interesting.
Sidenote: an Echidna is a really funny looking spikeyball with interesting zoological DNA. Looks like a porcupine and an anteater had a baby. I'm highly amused by their name choice.
My dad’s 1/2 first cousin is related to my dad’s 1/2 sister through my grandfather’s 1/2 brother’s paternal line. While it was a interesting to me when , on their DNA match list (I manage their test), I saw my 1/2 aunt (whose test I don’t manage), it wasn’t truly surprising or shocking. All of the people involved were part of a really small rural community of Ukrainian immigrants in Saskatchewan in the early 19teens and 1920’s. The DNA match between my dad’s 1/2sister and 1/2 1st cousin even holds up on paper. The link is through my dad’s step-father’s mother, who was a 2nd cousin to my grandfather’s 1/2 brother’s biological father. This unique relationship is in addition to the several sets of double cousins my dad has. I figure that this is not only because of the small community intermarrying amongst each other but also because, based on some of the baptism records I have found, it looks as though some of them also came from the same communities in the Ukraine where they had met and already intermarried.
My maternal half-brother and one of our maternal male cousins have the same paternal haplogroup, because it's the most common one across Europe, even though they are not related on their fathers' lines at all. Both have done the Y-DNA test with FTDNA. A maternal cousin's daughter (my 1C1R) and my full brother's wife have the same maternal haplogroup, because it's the most common one across Europe, even though they are not related at all. These are from 23andMe. A haplogroup could be used to rule out a match that you're researching, but it cannot be used to rule someone in.
Hi thank you for answering my question regarding why I was getting Scandinavian ethnicity with AncestryDNA. Since there last update and rollout of side view the Scandinavian has gone and replaced with Welsh and England & Northwestern Europe. FTDna has me 76% Irish and 24% Welsh.
The Double Cousins arise several times in my tree as well as some other interesting things like I have a pair of sisters in my family where one is the eldest and one is the youngest. The eldest married the youngest brother and the youngest married the eldest brother's son... so, her big sister's nephew. I also have a couple places where the man outlived his wife and remarried and had more kids with his wife's younger sister or the child of one of her siblings. This happens a LOT in tight knit religious groups, but especially when they're in rural areas. I descend from Anabaptists. I have a hard time believing similar family trees don't exist amongst Mormons.
Omg right the ancestry shared matches is terrible, sometimes I know there will be a shared match bc of I manage my family’s kits yet it just doesn’t show in the list + doesn’t show the shared dna between matches like 23&me
23andMe Y haplogroup and mt Haplogroup predictions are someway useful in some circumstances : I helped one day a genealogist to figure out how 2 men are related : On 23andMe, 2 men matched on range of 1st cousins or half 1st cousins, one was predicted R-Z93, the other was predicted R-CTS6. 1 man is with known fully Ashkenazi Jewish roots, the other was adopted, never knew his bio parents and was Half Jewish/Half West European (by ethnic admixture), the X chromosome of the adopted man was "West European", it suggested that his paternal side is AJ, it suggested that the 2 men are related by male line (R-CTS6 is a downstream subclade of R-Z93), I dont know it what latter confirmed by a Y test...
@Professional Genealogist Reacts hi, i have a question and i whould like if you answer here: in my 23andme results, i got in my paternal haplogroup T-L208 and i looked it up and i could'nt find what it meant anywhere, can you please explain to me what it means? also, all i know about my paternal side is that my biological father was ashkenazi jewish (because im a Sperm donation).
Having taken the DNA test and results at 60%Scottish, 35% Irish and 5% Scandinavian my subsequent genealogical research into my family tree has confirmed these findings. The area in Northern Ireland where some of my ancestors were located has strong historical links to the Vikings who settled there. I also had a link to the early 13 colonies in North America. My research uncovered an ancestor who emigrated just a few years after the Mayflower. I have found that forensic research- a knowledge of the history of the period being researched and some real detective work combine to complete the puzzle and unlock those missing pieces. I'm finding the experience frustrating, infuriating and immensely satisfying often all at the same time. I have uncovered some truly incredible individuals and have been humbled by their stories. It has uncovered over 100 young men who fought in the First World War including a Victoria Cross hero. My family had no idea any of them existed. I can trace relatives to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa- we had no idea that our ancestors from the late 1800s had left Scotland to start their new lives abroad. They had been lost to time. DNA has reconnected our severed family lines. One of my most recent discoveries led to an episode of the NETFLIX show Unexplained Mysteries which featured the story of the disappearance of a very distant cousin. Just a few short years ago none of this would've been possible. I'm excited to discover just what secrets are still to be unlocked from our DNA. I'm so pleased that both my parents are still alive and well in their late 80s and can share in this new found knowledge. I could never have predicted just how fascinating this project would be. It has transformed my relationship with my sense of self and my place in the world and just how interconnected yet separate we are- living on parallel lines on every continent.
The percent can very greatly. I have been doing genealogy for decades. I always was told my father was black with some Blackfoot NA. Turns out my GPA and his side were mixed both parents every generation since slavery (I found a document fir my 4th/5th Gpa that he was the product of slave raped and he and everyone in his family were all the offspring the white man that owned him. Every generation since they all married other mixed lighter skinned people up till my gpa had kids with my GMA. I have actually found multiple NA ancestors : Choctaw, Pamunkey, Cherokee, and a few tribes that as far as I can tell no longer exist.
As for the Scandinavian ancestry. England and to a lesser extent Scotland, Ireland and Wales have all been invaded by the Angles, Saxons and Frisians which lived in the areas of modern day North Germany, Netherlands, and Denmark. Scientists have done significant research and found that the "Anglo-Saxons" most likely slaughtered and replaced entire Celtic populations in most of England. Wales was apparently able to fend off the Anglo-Saxons which is why they carry ancient Celtic/Brittonic DNA. Some individuals in areas in Scotland and Ireland also have higher amounts of Celtic DNA. Some time after the Anglo-Saxons took over England there were a number of Viking invasions. The Danish Vikings invaded part of England and northern Scotland while the Norwegians invaded northern Ireland. The Norman conquest of England in 1066 brought an influx of French DNA but many of the Normans also had Scandinavian ancestors that invaded France and ruled Normandy. This is part of the reason why people with ancestry from the British isles have German, French and Scandinavian DNA. Some genes are broad and are shared by many people across all of northwestern Europe and the DNA sites algorithms lump them into certain areas at random.
My understanding is that the Scandinavian element is just background noise. Testing like ancestry and 23 and me are low resolution - essentially only useful up to great grandparent level. On your other point about Anglo Saxons - the evidence suggest mixing and interbreeding, rather than slaughter, with the majority of those in England drawing their ancestry from their iron age ancestors - with an obvious gradation from south east to north west. There was no genetic input from the Normans - that was entirely a ruling elite. There is fuzzy evidence from French/Belgian migration, but is probably directly related to iron age French ancestry (not Norman norse), but the jury is still out.
Well, a quick search told me that R-BY2573 is an Irish Haplogroup associated with the O'Byrne clan, but that's a long way back. Your 2nd ggf may or may not have the surname O'Byrne or a variant & may or may not come from Ireland.
As to the title, I-P222 or I-M223 can be (BARELY) useful. It helps break the FtDNA surname "Gates" group, into its broadest categories, both in its (HEY FOLKS, PUBLIC!) Results page, and those of that in their umbrella group's (I-)M223 results page too. By the way, have you reacted to Bruce Fumey's "MyHeritage" results? ('Scottish History Tours' here on youtube, maybe?) His other videos are a great resource for your Scots patrons too. Respectful of both those who stayed and those who went away.
To be fair, those haplogroups were my cousin's original report, a couple years back. I got I-M223, elsewhere, and he got I-P222 from 23 (so, even then, a "+1"). They now report I-CTS4922 for me, which is significantly better. I-Y3709-Y3712 but not Y3713 says FtDNA /Phylotree / etc.? (ish, top of head, sorry) Kind of "I-M284" as the scientists cite, even if that is just "I-M223 / I-P222... BUT in the British Isles, or some in 'French' NW Europe going 'toward' there." BUT... on top of that, they were on the early side, pre-Celtic (j'accuse, nouveau riche! stop talking to me about your wonderful beakers! Fine, you have something there with The Horse and The Wheel.), Stone-to-Bronze Age immigrants. So Early European Farmer (EEF), it seems. So hey, Newgrange, then Stonehenge, perhaps? Ireland THEN England... why would my ancestors take the easy-direct route? Yep, that sounds like them. And if not, elsewise, then those monuments "landed on us!"? So maybe I should just claim the original, first, Wood-henge, part maybe? While the archaeologists work out who built the later parts for sure? Science. As Dr. Johnson said, about folks "falling down". (And I'd only disagree with him, intended or otherwise, as to whether or not they should or shouldn't, if they can take it.) Don't get me started on my FtDNA Y Haplogroup... (BigY700 rocks! by the way)
I've done a 23&me test and loaded the data into the my heritage site as well. Is it a good idea to still do a specific my heritage test also? I've purchased one but wondering if it would be a waste to use it if I won't get any better results.
I read in the comments of these videos and the subreddit that you might get different matches, since each company might choose different regions in order to compare with their sample populations.
I think I have solved an adoption from the 30's. I found 2 first cousin matches. I am pretty sure I have identified the correct "father". I achieved this by watching many hours of YT DNA videos and many hours of tree building. I even consulted with Maurice Gleeson once. But you know what none those videos cover? Writing up the proof. Oh sure general genealogical proof standards are discussed, but not where identifying an unidentified father are involved. I'd like to see a half a dozen examples of such proofs. What questions would a skeptic in a court of law have about my conclusion? How bulletproof is my conclusion? Only an expert can answer that I suppose. I want to hire someone to either show me where I have gone wrong, or write up the proofs of why I am right. Where do I go?
I think these Haplogroup tests could be wrong, I took a few tests at some of these sites and they all show mostly the same things, but it can't possibly be true. Like, everything from Haplogroup, phenotype or traits was weirdly inaccurate, or it has to be some mistake. Admixture was different on every site but at least more accurate.
That depends on what branch of T2a1b. Some branches are found in West Asia, such as T2a1b2b1* in the United Arab Emirates and T2a1b1a* which exists in Turkey, Jordan, and Palestinian Arabs, but most others are more prevalent or exclusively in Europe.
I relate to the 2nd one. My grandmother is "100%" (relatively) German/Polish/Russian region (because of boarder changes) as far as the eye (or documented research and matches) can see... but yet she came back with having 30% Danish/Swedish entirely on her paternal side. We are at a loss.
I did 23 and Me and I found my lost Grandfather and gained a bunch of Aunts and Uncles and cousins. It's been great and I didn't want to do the test originally. And my paternal haplogroup is E-M183 which is most prevalent in Morocco and Algeria. Damn interesting.
Sidenote: an Echidna is a really funny looking spikeyball with interesting zoological DNA. Looks like a porcupine and an anteater had a baby. I'm highly amused by their name choice.
My dad’s 1/2 first cousin is related to my dad’s 1/2 sister through my grandfather’s 1/2 brother’s paternal line. While it was a interesting to me when , on their DNA match list (I manage their test), I saw my 1/2 aunt (whose test I don’t manage), it wasn’t truly surprising or shocking. All of the people involved were part of a really small rural community of Ukrainian immigrants in Saskatchewan in the early 19teens and 1920’s.
The DNA match between my dad’s 1/2sister and 1/2 1st cousin even holds up on paper. The link is through my dad’s step-father’s mother, who was a 2nd cousin to my grandfather’s 1/2 brother’s biological father.
This unique relationship is in addition to the several sets of double cousins my dad has. I figure that this is not only because of the small community intermarrying amongst each other but also because, based on some of the baptism records I have found, it looks as though some of them also came from the same communities in the Ukraine where they had met and already intermarried.
My maternal half-brother and one of our maternal male cousins have the same paternal haplogroup, because it's the most common one across Europe, even though they are not related on their fathers' lines at all. Both have done the Y-DNA test with FTDNA.
A maternal cousin's daughter (my 1C1R) and my full brother's wife have the same maternal haplogroup, because it's the most common one across Europe, even though they are not related at all. These are from 23andMe.
A haplogroup could be used to rule out a match that you're researching, but it cannot be used to rule someone in.
Hi thank you for answering my question regarding why I was getting Scandinavian ethnicity with AncestryDNA. Since there last update and rollout of side view the Scandinavian has gone and replaced with Welsh and England & Northwestern Europe. FTDna has me 76% Irish and 24% Welsh.
The Double Cousins arise several times in my tree as well as some other interesting things like I have a pair of sisters in my family where one is the eldest and one is the youngest. The eldest married the youngest brother and the youngest married the eldest brother's son... so, her big sister's nephew. I also have a couple places where the man outlived his wife and remarried and had more kids with his wife's younger sister or the child of one of her siblings. This happens a LOT in tight knit religious groups, but especially when they're in rural areas. I descend from Anabaptists. I have a hard time believing similar family trees don't exist amongst Mormons.
Omg right the ancestry shared matches is terrible, sometimes I know there will be a shared match bc of I manage my family’s kits yet it just doesn’t show in the list + doesn’t show the shared dna between matches like 23&me
23andMe Y haplogroup and mt Haplogroup predictions are someway useful in some circumstances : I helped one day a genealogist to figure out how 2 men are related :
On 23andMe, 2 men matched on range of 1st cousins or half 1st cousins, one was predicted R-Z93, the other was predicted R-CTS6. 1 man is with known fully Ashkenazi Jewish roots, the other was adopted, never knew his bio parents and was Half Jewish/Half West European (by ethnic admixture), the X chromosome of the adopted man was "West European", it suggested that his paternal side is AJ, it suggested that the 2 men are related by male line (R-CTS6 is a downstream subclade of R-Z93), I dont know it what latter confirmed by a Y test...
@Professional Genealogist Reacts
hi, i have a question and i whould like if you answer here:
in my 23andme results, i got in my paternal haplogroup T-L208 and i looked it up and i could'nt find what it meant anywhere, can you please explain to me what it means?
also, all i know about my paternal side is that my biological father was ashkenazi jewish (because im a Sperm donation).
Great info!
Having taken the DNA test and results at 60%Scottish, 35% Irish and 5% Scandinavian my subsequent genealogical research into my family tree has confirmed these findings. The area in Northern Ireland where some of my ancestors were located has strong historical links to the Vikings who settled there. I also had a link to the early 13 colonies in North America. My research uncovered an ancestor who emigrated just a few years after the Mayflower. I have found that forensic research- a knowledge of the history of the period being researched and some real detective work combine to complete the puzzle and unlock those missing pieces. I'm finding the experience frustrating, infuriating and immensely satisfying often all at the same time. I have uncovered some truly incredible individuals and have been humbled by their stories. It has uncovered over 100 young men who fought in the First World War including a Victoria Cross hero. My family had no idea any of them existed. I can trace relatives to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa- we had no idea that our ancestors from the late 1800s had left Scotland to start their new lives abroad. They had been lost to time. DNA has reconnected our severed family lines. One of my most recent discoveries led to an episode of the NETFLIX show Unexplained Mysteries which featured the story of the disappearance of a very distant cousin. Just a few short years ago none of this would've been possible. I'm excited to discover just what secrets are still to be unlocked from our DNA. I'm so pleased that both my parents are still alive and well in their late 80s and can share in this new found knowledge. I could never have predicted just how fascinating this project would be. It has transformed my relationship with my sense of self and my place in the world and just how interconnected yet separate we are- living on parallel lines on every continent.
The percent can very greatly. I have been doing genealogy for decades. I always was told my father was black with some Blackfoot NA. Turns out my GPA and his side were mixed both parents every generation since slavery (I found a document fir my 4th/5th Gpa that he was the product of slave raped and he and everyone in his family were all the offspring the white man that owned him. Every generation since they all married other mixed lighter skinned people up till my gpa had kids with my GMA. I have actually found multiple NA ancestors : Choctaw, Pamunkey, Cherokee, and a few tribes that as far as I can tell no longer exist.
As for the Scandinavian ancestry. England and to a lesser extent Scotland, Ireland and Wales have all been invaded by the Angles, Saxons and Frisians which lived in the areas of modern day North Germany, Netherlands, and Denmark. Scientists have done significant research and found that the "Anglo-Saxons" most likely slaughtered and replaced entire Celtic populations in most of England. Wales was apparently able to fend off the Anglo-Saxons which is why they carry ancient Celtic/Brittonic DNA. Some individuals in areas in Scotland and Ireland also have higher amounts of Celtic DNA. Some time after the Anglo-Saxons took over England there were a number of Viking invasions. The Danish Vikings invaded part of England and northern Scotland while the Norwegians invaded northern Ireland. The Norman conquest of England in 1066 brought an influx of French DNA but many of the Normans also had Scandinavian ancestors that invaded France and ruled Normandy. This is part of the reason why people with ancestry from the British isles have German, French and Scandinavian DNA. Some genes are broad and are shared by many people across all of northwestern Europe and the DNA sites algorithms lump them into certain areas at random.
My understanding is that the Scandinavian element is just background noise. Testing like ancestry and 23 and me are low resolution - essentially only useful up to great grandparent level. On your other point about Anglo Saxons - the evidence suggest mixing and interbreeding, rather than slaughter, with the majority of those in England drawing their ancestry from their iron age ancestors - with an obvious gradation from south east to north west. There was no genetic input from the Normans - that was entirely a ruling elite. There is fuzzy evidence from French/Belgian migration, but is probably directly related to iron age French ancestry (not Norman norse), but the jury is still out.
I have G-Z37368 paternal and J2a1a maternal
Where else do you recommend I upload my Nebula whole genome data to other than YFull?
10:48 is there a website we can upload our GEDcom to that lists all the ways we are related to a given person? I've noticed not even Geni does this.
Where is the Gedcom from?
My brother is a R-BY2573 from FTDNA. I don’t know who my 2nd GGF was so I have been on a hunt to find who and where he was from.
Well, a quick search told me that R-BY2573 is an Irish Haplogroup associated with the O'Byrne clan, but that's a long way back. Your 2nd ggf may or may not have the surname O'Byrne or a variant & may or may not come from Ireland.
E-chid-na, not only is this what Knuckles from the Sonic franchise is based on, but it has “-dna” in their name!
Best to type E- kid-na for pronunciation
As to the title, I-P222 or I-M223 can be (BARELY) useful. It helps break the FtDNA surname "Gates" group, into its broadest categories, both in its (HEY FOLKS, PUBLIC!) Results page, and those of that in their umbrella group's (I-)M223 results page too. By the way, have you reacted to Bruce Fumey's "MyHeritage" results? ('Scottish History Tours' here on youtube, maybe?) His other videos are a great resource for your Scots patrons too. Respectful of both those who stayed and those who went away.
To be fair, those haplogroups were my cousin's original report, a couple years back. I got I-M223, elsewhere, and he got I-P222 from 23 (so, even then, a "+1"). They now report I-CTS4922 for me, which is significantly better. I-Y3709-Y3712 but not Y3713 says FtDNA /Phylotree / etc.? (ish, top of head, sorry) Kind of "I-M284" as the scientists cite, even if that is just "I-M223 / I-P222... BUT in the British Isles, or some in 'French' NW Europe going 'toward' there." BUT... on top of that, they were on the early side, pre-Celtic (j'accuse, nouveau riche! stop talking to me about your wonderful beakers! Fine, you have something there with The Horse and The Wheel.), Stone-to-Bronze Age immigrants. So Early European Farmer (EEF), it seems. So hey, Newgrange, then Stonehenge, perhaps? Ireland THEN England... why would my ancestors take the easy-direct route? Yep, that sounds like them. And if not, elsewise, then those monuments "landed on us!"? So maybe I should just claim the original, first, Wood-henge, part maybe? While the archaeologists work out who built the later parts for sure? Science. As Dr. Johnson said, about folks "falling down". (And I'd only disagree with him, intended or otherwise, as to whether or not they should or shouldn't, if they can take it.) Don't get me started on my FtDNA Y Haplogroup... (BigY700 rocks! by the way)
So, yeah, as you said, maybe it's a good thing, maybe not. :)
I've done a 23&me test and loaded the data into the my heritage site as well. Is it a good idea to still do a specific my heritage test also? I've purchased one but wondering if it would be a waste to use it if I won't get any better results.
I read in the comments of these videos and the subreddit that you might get different matches, since each company might choose different regions in order to compare with their sample populations.
I think I have solved an adoption from the 30's. I found 2 first cousin matches. I am pretty sure I have identified the correct "father". I achieved this by watching many hours of YT DNA videos and many hours of tree building. I even consulted with Maurice Gleeson once. But you know what none those videos cover? Writing up the proof. Oh sure general genealogical proof standards are discussed, but not where identifying an unidentified father are involved. I'd like to see a half a dozen examples of such proofs. What questions would a skeptic in a court of law have about my conclusion? How bulletproof is my conclusion? Only an expert can answer that I suppose. I want to hire someone to either show me where I have gone wrong, or write up the proofs of why I am right. Where do I go?
I think these Haplogroup tests could be wrong, I took a few tests at some of these sites and they all show mostly the same things, but it can't possibly be true. Like, everything from Haplogroup, phenotype or traits was weirdly inaccurate, or it has to be some mistake. Admixture was different on every site but at least more accurate.
Is Geni any more accurate than people’s family trees they make on Ancestry?
Is Mtdna T2a1b middle eastern?
That depends on what branch of T2a1b. Some branches are found in West Asia, such as T2a1b2b1* in the United Arab Emirates and T2a1b1a* which exists in Turkey, Jordan, and Palestinian Arabs, but most others are more prevalent or exclusively in Europe.
I relate to the 2nd one. My grandmother is "100%" (relatively) German/Polish/Russian region (because of boarder changes) as far as the eye (or documented research and matches) can see... but yet she came back with having 30% Danish/Swedish entirely on her paternal side. We are at a loss.
Is 23andme a genealogy company
There are double cousins in my family. It’s not uncommon amongst Ashkenazi Jews.
You said Northeast Europe. You meant Northwest Europe.
Northeast Europe is Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland.
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