VLOG 246: Permobil M3 Review (2017)
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2017
- Today we check out the New (2017) Permobil M3 Power Wheelchair!!
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I got the M3 a few months ago. I used to have a Quantum Q6 Edge and the M3 was a huge upgrade from that. From the faster acceleration to the more stable ride. I love the M3 and prefer it over the quantum.
Thanks for the info. I've had a quantum for years and I'm having an eval for a new chair tomorrow and am pushing for a permobil instead
Not excited about the q6 edge either
Question for you about your m3...I currently have the Quantum Q-6 Edge and when my van lowering is turned off the ramp pitch is steep.....the Quantum suspension flexes enough to work fine...do you feel like the m3 climbs just as well as your old Q6
I use to have a Quatum before going Permobil and boys are you right about "upgrade". My Quatum was more often in the shop than it was here. lol
I'm getting a Quantum 6 2.0 next month because it's what they have in stock. I'm new to wheelchairs. Hopefully it's not too bad it's better than no chair at all
just zoomin around with the lads
I wish the M3 was AVAILABLE at the time I got my chair, but I wasn't going to wait over a year and go through all the hassle and red-tape again so I got the F3 which is a great chair for many reasons over the M3 (bottoming out and going through snow) but I love the compact movement of a mid-wheel drive over front-wheel...
You still got a great chair. But given that your comment was from a year ago, if you had your choice now, what would you go with?
@@CajunSmack I wonder the same thing. 🤔
You guys have some great side walks
hy your vidéos are really great is there a risk to damage the casterglid when you doing sidewalk crossing with the M3 (I've a c300) and i believe to change it by M3? Sorry for my english i'm french . Thanks a lot have a good day
They’re gonna take me out of an M 300 and put me into it 2021 M3So thanks for the review.
the old M300's ride like a shopping cart compared to the newer ones :^) hopefully youll like it!
My son just upgrading to this chair, and the one complaint I have is the location of the back tie-down hooks being placed on the inside of the back wheels rather than on top like the front wheels. It makes it a little challenging to strap him into the van. I feel the back rest shouldn't be so curved and extend a little further to close some of that gap between the back rest and seat cushion. It causes his back to arch and doesn't give much lumbar support.
yes - I agree the tie down points are a really strange location - on public transit they usually have GIANT hooks, and its really difficult to get them down into this area - and drivers are always in a hurry
I using a demo now & can’t drive my van with without ez lock. My nurse was tying me down & complaining about that as well.
@@TotallyNormal- yes, it seems to be negative, why they couldn't put the back brackets further out. I suspect that this is for aesthetic reasons and there isn't right. Recently I went for a taxi ride end the driver talked about this issue with permobil tiedowns in general, which was interesting:-).
This was a good video
The only thing I hate about is the back hook ups
I would interested to know if you ever had to defend yourself and what you used
hello, I am about to get a new power chair permobil m series meet my needs almost anyway. but the thing is I need my chair can handle a 22-30degree ramp it's very important to me. I know it's out of their safety range. so is that possible you can tell me about where is permobil m-series limit is??
a "4th axis stabilizer" for your camera will take care of that jarring motion
After demoing the M3 and Amysystems R3 hybrid. I decided lastnight to go with the #Amysystems. It suits me better for driving my minivan. I did enjoy the permo seating system, but even the seat elevator started make a weird noise after only a few days.
awesome! send me pics after ya get it!
which model did ya wind up ordering?
Will do
As in ATR3-3S-MP, ATR3-3S-SS or ATR3-3S-SP ? You know I don't know the difference?
i *think * its the difference between standard seating, single actuator, and full powered rehab seating... at least thats what the HCPCS codes seem to indicate..
amysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/OF-TMK-171002-5-2018-HCPCS-Codes-R3-SS-SP-EN-Web.pdf
Awesome review and really fun to watch! What is the max sped on the m3? Also what where you in while he was in the m3? I am in an c300, wish I had an m3 or an m5!
the m3 does 6.5 MPH in its stock configuration...
i think i was in my AmySystems chair for this video...
awesome great vids!
watched again for like the 15th time... lol... still haven't seen a descent Rovi X3 test drive video . gonna try to get the M3. fingers xed.
yea.. wish i had the ROVI for more than a couple hours to play around with...
@@TotallyNormal- maybe you could get one again, I think it would be fantastic for an extended test, pretty good suspension on those
I do need a good wheelchair one of those folding ones would be good for me. Just to go to dr appointments and go around my house. Maybe to a fair or zoo with my grandkids. I have not been able to walk for 4 years I can’t stand up straight. We don’t have a wheelchair vehicle so I would need it to fold up. Since wheelchairs are expensive I want to make a good choice. I do have a manual one my husband pushes me in. But I want some freedom in my home
I posted this on the SCI connections page but thought I'd try here too..
I've had my M3 for about a month. I just noticed a few nights ago that the main circuit breaker in the rear of the chair was flashing green when the chair was off. This corresponded with the same time I had my EZ lock installed by performance mobility. Do all of the M3s flash when off and it took me a month to notice at night, or is something wrong?
hey! the flashing lights are your Permobil Link module - these chairs are LTE connected now - and especially in a dark room, from the back you can see lights blinking inside there! the connected features aren't REQUIRED at all, and this module can be unhooked if ya don't need it. i believe has a backup battery inside of the module - hence the flashing when the breaker is turned off
Nice video...I am helping my wheelchair bound sister (in a nursing home) with adding accessories to her Permobil M3. SRight now she needs an O2 tank holder. Permobil sells one for (gasp!) $275 (and looks like something I could rig up with parts from Home Depot, but I digress). How specific are these holders per each chair? Can I use one for say...Permobil M300? or even a universal tank holder, given it adequately supports the tank?
hey! yea most of the stuff is pretty universal... should be able to adapt things onto whatever chair ya want with some tweaking :^)
Hey there I sent ya a message but not sure you got it or if any one else knows thatd be cool! I got an F3 last week. Really like it but the arm rest flops down. It either needs to be all the way back (which makes it hard to reach) or down. It falls down when I do transfers. Not fun! Anyone know how to tighten it?
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I am demoing this chair right now so far I like it. I will get the M5 upgrade package for it if I decide to get it. I’m torn between this chair and the Amy R hybrid. I’m still trying to decide if I should demo a Amy Midwheel. Or even a Frontier V6 Compact 40. I need to fit in my Dodge Grand Caravan minivan.
I REALLY wanna try the frontier compact! it looks sweet in the photos!! still love my amy chair as well... all good options!!
Have you tried the M3? If so which chair do you prefer the M3 or the Amy midwheel?
hmmm thats a tough one.... id probably take the m3.. not being able to control the seating while you're moving on the amy is annoying haha.. but that's a nit picky thing! I like the seating better on the permobil's as well
Which chair did your friend choose?
hes had the M3 for a few months now
Please review the permobil m5
hey ! im hoping to be able to get some more demo chairs soon.. id like to review all of the common models available!
I have a M3 but have trouble with the casters when I am coming down the ramp from my van. Any suggestions?
what kinda troubles are the castors having?
I just got a new Permobil M3. Finding it a blast outside but very disappointing inside the house. Navigating is difficult, the joystick is oversensitive, I end up jerking side to side, difficult navigating through narrow doors or just trying to position myself somewhere... seems to move like a tank too... Also, the front casters have a mind of their own, they flip and rotate resulting in a somewhat violent wobble throwing the chair to the side. Wondering if this is typical of six wheel chairs? Oh, forgot to mention, 70% of my house is very low carpet.
The other thing that is challenging is getting out of the chair in a timely manner to urinate. Have setup program to position the chair in a normal driving posture (have wider footpads and have to be above the front casters or they collide) and a second program which brings the chair to its lowest height position and leaning somewhat forward to exit (I have MS but can stand so I urinate in a male urine bottle upright holding onto a grab-bar or high counter top). Using these programs you have to fiddle with the controller to select a program then push the joystick forward while the chair positions itself (at a snails pace) to the programed position. I have had some urgency that did not turn out well because of this horsing around... Don't plan on getting a catheter, don't know how other folks in chairs handle this...
Writing a letter to the company that sold me the chair (my cost 10%, insurance 90%) hoping to resolve these, possibly changing to normal size footpad might help if they can be set about 1" above the ground (for inside the house) and if they don't colliding with front casters might resolve some problems.
There are a lot of wonderful features about the chair, I'm trying to resolve some of the problem areas for me... Any feedback will be appreciated.
yea - mid wheel chairs are defiantly weird to get used to coming from a front, or rear wheel drive chair..
usually they have seat positioning buttons just down from the joy stick... did they not install those on yours? its a row of bright green lights / buttons
and YES carpet of any kind SUCKS!! it makes the chair kinda shudder when ya turn -and can spill your drink or knock stuff out of your lap! - took me a while to get used to them - i still look down sometimes to check the position of my castor wheels before i move. if they're facing the wrong way, you sorta have to make a small "S" type move to flip them around.. and sometimes when they flip around, they'll hit walls, or knock the bar stool right out from under someone near you haha -
the joystick can be programed to help with sensitivity - and there's a "tremor" setting they can turn on as well that helps with the jerkiness..
i have different profiles for almost every situation.. including one for when i first wake up in the morning, and its much more difficult to control my hands and arms- also an indoor mode for when im in other peoples houses so i dont wreck up the walls!
but carpet is your biggest enemy.. itll cause all sorts of driving difficulties, and will wear out some of the castor arm bearings prematurely - also when you try and turn on carpet, the castor wheels dont turn freely, and the chair builds up more power.. then when they finally move, you go flying around!
new chairs can be very frustrating... I HATED it when i first got one - ya cant turn and move easily
give yourself some time, and see if your
provider can make some tuning adjustments. ditch the carpet if you can!!!
Thanks for your reply. Yea, this joystick jerking around and caster flop is insane. Sent email to provider, hoping he can come out tomorrow. I am very active and now I feel there is an anchor with a dagger on my leg, not floating around autonomously at all. I like to barbecue, have a small collection along with a 800 degree pizza oven. Imagine getting jerked into that. ruclips.net/video/bjYOynOPZ3s/видео.html Anyway, I think the sellers of these chairs should be more learned and cognizant of the situation needs, not just sell mindset. Cheers, really enjoy your vids! Hope you got a kick out of AvE, I'm still watching and laughing.
holy pizza oven batman!!
yea haha found AvE a few months back.. great stuff!
Do you know if most 5 wheelers front casters are wildly uncontrolled when they flip or if some are less reactive to the flipping/jerking fun? I've got a Premobile Rep coming over to make adjustments for the controller and would like to talk about the front casters in comparison to other chairs... Thanks
the m3 is good chair for 'lack of castor flippiness' its kinda a learning curve.. took me a while to get used to it.. but instead of moving straight back, kinda make a little 'wiggle' or slight s-movement to start the castors turning before ya backup.. i was thinking of making a video about this - trying to figure out the best way to illustrate it. but you kinda have to 'know' what position your castors are in before moving.. and carpet it the worst for this.. some programming will help.. turn DOWN the acceleration, and then adjust the speed accordingly. i made a separate carpet profile on my old M300 for this reason... BUT carpet would take out all my castor swivel bearings about every 3-4 months like clockwork. a high torque, low acceleration profile should help out
getting out of the van my casters are jerking me and I fear going off the ramp as compared to down the ramp. I think I may be over correcting. Thanks for responding. I live in Gresham, so not to far from you
there could be a number of things going on - but this video might be helpful..
ruclips.net/video/C0Lr_YIMUck/видео.html
the idea is to maneuver in such a way, that the motion of the castors can be predicted
also, when you're backing up, try and look at a reference point.. like the side of the ramp. if you try and look at your back tires, its much easier to over correct. if not able to look to side, or behind you, try and find another reference point.. like the side of the door etc. and maneuver inside the van (if possible) so that the chair is straight before backing onto the ramp
@@TotallyNormal- Thanks TN!
Can you please say what about backrest angle? Power 180° available?
the chair we had for the day had power tilt, recline, legs, and a seat elevator.. didn't run the seat back all the way - but usually the backs on these chairs will lay pretty close to flat..
Thanks for answer.
Totally Normal so, do you know if it can be rigged with swing away footrests? Not good with platform/plate style since i stand to transfer.
i've never seen one with separate side mounted leg rests.. i think their 'answer' is the transfer mode that tilts forward and puts the footplates flat on the ground.. but wouldn't think that would be too sturdy for someone actually needing to stand on them... it would be possible with a little bit of fabrication to make their center mounted foot plates rotate up to the sides - but wouldn't leave a whole lot of space to move around... ya should call them and check - but i personally havent seen any...
Thank you for the review, was very helpful. Do you and your buddies ever go on dirt trails?
Not too often... unless it’s hard packed dirt... I do myself though quite a bit! But then again I have an off road chair;-)
I also hike a lot of dirt trails, which is why I got a Quantum Rival with the wide back wheels. If you ever make it down to the San Francisco Bay Area, we have hundreds of trails here.
hows the suspension on the rival?
It's okay. On a paved trail, it runs smooth and quiet.
@@TotallyNormal- can u show how to remove the headrest? trying to figure it out for me
Quick question what is the difference between the M3 vs M5?
in short.. bigger, faster, taller, and more powerful! (slightly in each category) :^) - OH and a standing option on the 5 series chairs as well
Thanks for the answer as always you are the best! 👍🏽
Is it possible to increase the speed of the M3 with a programmer?
the max is 6.5 MPH thats possible on the newer chairs - there's hardware limitations beyond that point
@@TotallyNormal- Ok, thanks.
Which is better the M3 or M5
that depends on your environment and needs.. more speed, taller seat lift, standing options - OR more compact, and more maneuverable, fits into smaller spaces (also insurance companies don't like paying for any of the 5 series chairs)
warning Don't >F< with a DUCK 🦆unless you got BREAD 🍞
Get yourself a gimble. This will help stop all shaking.
Should said aflac to the ducks
2:03
"Someone in the drifter world with their honda civic" lol you drift with RWD cars not FWD ;p
....well played sir LOL
I miss being able to drive a stick shift. I haven't watched any other of your videos, but I probably will.
Whats your favorite power chair so far ? Do they make an air cushion for quantum power chairs ? All I see it foam.
hmmmm favorite chair.. thats a tough one.. so many categories LOL yea ya can get whatever cushion ya want if you're using rehab seating.. I alternate between a custom made ride cushion, and a roho hybrid. most of my other videos are all over the place LOL lots of RANDOM favorite chairs right now.. probably an older permobil C500 with high speed motors, and also the older amysystems alltrack M.
i wanna build some sorta system that shifts for you! maybe air actuators.. or an assisted/electric clutch lever on the hand controls, and a hurst sequential ratchet style shiftier... could hit that real quick and then grab the wheel again...
Ha, thanks. Its sort of self defeating if you have to make a mechanism to use another mechanism. By the time I get another car, it will be electric, no shifting required and usable torque/power on demand.
What are you driving ?