The SCM 11 are an end-game speaker if you want your audio to sound natural and dynamic with minimal effort and money. Superb for home theater as well (with a couple of sealed subs),
Sounds to me that the Dali's have a warm, full bloodied sound with good bass extension and rich mid range and whereas the ATC's deliver a more accurate, transparent, analytical sound - So for lovers Rock, fusion go for the Dali's for the Classical music lovers, light jazz and vocals go for the ATC's.
pretty much all ATC's are flat frequency response speakers, the philosophy of this manufacture is to produce as accurate speakers as possible. Dali's accentuate bass and select part of the treble responsible for lush and details ('prestige'), the philosophy of that manufacture is to produce as attractive sound as possible, but not necessarily the most realistic sound possible. in my opinion it's easier to get a good sound with speakers like Dali, while quality flat response speakers like ATC require much effort to get that magic out of them - however if you succeed, the magic from them will be a real one. the rest is pretty much about the type of music the audiophile is listening to. there's music which simply requires flat response speakers to make it sound real and great, while there's also music which speakers like Dali will reward with a great sound
A classical comparison would have been good. I have had my Rubicon 2's for a few years now and they get (a lot) better as they age. It was a few hundred hours before I began to appreciate just how good they were. Based on your video if I was making a decisions now having not heard either before, I would probably go with the ATC 11's. I liked their pace and energy. They felt a bit more lively and dynamic to me. I won't be swapping my Rubicon's out though. I love them too much. Curious as to what amp you were using to drive them both. Oh and your daughter was wonderful. Young children are such a gift. So free and uninhibited!
I found the same with my Opticons. They get better with time. Perhaps because of the wood incorporated in the cone. I have heard Rubicons and they are amazing. The ATC are also amazing. I could easily have both..
Hello- I am really interested in the Rubicon 2 but have read it may be hard to drive. I have a Mcintosh 4100 rated at 75WPC at 8ohms and 100 at 4 ohms.... Do you think I would have any problems? I have no way to audition as there aren't any local dealers....
@@chrissasse1728 they have not been hard to drive in my experience. I think that amp would handle them but I would advise you to find a way to demo them with your own kit and ideally in your own room before making the decision. Maybe ask DALI, or a dealer, if you can have them "on trial" and return them if they don't work in your set up?
It was a great comparison. I was waiting for this comparison, thanks. I heard that a user who bought Dali rubicon 2 after using Atc scm 11 for a long time was much more satisfied.
Im glad i was able to help. I haven’t heard alot but i have to admit the Rubicons are still the best speakers ive heard so far (atleast for my tastes). I actually sold the Rubicons 4 months ago and switched to Dynaudio. I soon found myself looking for the Dali sound in other speakers only to buy it back again.( atc were great as well btw i think its mids is a class of its own, its just not to my taste)
The Dalis sound muscular but the transparency of ATC is another league. If you want your ATC to sound even better pair them with a musical amp capable of 200wpc into 8Ω
ATC hands down is the winner for me! The Rubicons sound somewhat restricted by comparison! You have some expensive speakers, they deserve a better amp or integrated amp but always appreciate your videos! You get these other guys who just talk, talk, talk and never provide any music samples! Happy listening!
thanks. I think I did not know what I was doing here in the rubicon recording 😅 -- doesn't sound accurate how it is in real life (volume is lower than ATC clip and the position is near the floor thats why all the mids are lost in the bass), also ATC was using silver cables. (it was shot on different days). So apologies and good ear for noticing something was off in the rubicon clip. For an accurate recording, see my later recordings of the Rubicons. That said, ATC I think still has unmatched mids and was less fussy about mic placement.
@@mykeldg If you have silver cables, could you do a comparison with the same speakers and different cables? A revealing speaker would be able to showcase the difference!
This is what great speakers and music does. It makes people dance. It's a wonderful thing. I liked the ATCs more than the Rubicons. Happy and good upload. Thankyou.
Han Siang Ng i have a small room thats why maybe the 9150 is good enough for me. Im still curious about upgrading the amp but i always notice getting much larger jump in SQ per dollar upgrading speakers so thats what i prioritized
@@mykeldg me too. yes you are right. I once tried pre-out from my 9150 to parasound A23, they sound the same just that A23 sometimes has alittle bit fuller bass. Do you use it in Direct Mode and how do find the 9150 onboard dac performance? Thanks.
@@hansiangng2808 wow really? how much better in % do you think the parasound is? All my demos are usually with Direct mode on. But I have to say I always use 1 o clock on the bass dial. treble on 12 o clock when not doing critical listening. I find the dac on the 9150 its weakest link unfortunately but can be easily fixed with $100-200 external dac.
@@mykeldg At average voluime i would say around 90 to 95% of A23. Difference more noticeable on tower speakers. Maybe i could close the gap if i play with the tone controls. Currently i am using it with the onkyo cdp 7030 and BW 705s2. The 9150 dac sounds more accurate, but i find it less musical than the cd player dac (woflson). Though it still sounds nice, but im not quite getting the goosebumps. Maybe i should try an external dac.
@@hansiangng2808 Thanks for this. It solves my AMP upgrade itch. I was actually contemplating on warmer amp like Denon or Marantz but after hearing this from you saying its close to a higher class amp , maybe it is good enough for the time being. I just want a more muscular sound since, like you (B&W 705), my speakers (Dali Rubicon) are also quite unforgiving. Yes the internal dac is kinda lean sounding especially when I compare it to the Schiit modi multibit ($250) which are my current favorite. I suggest get a warmer dac (wolfson is also good match since its warmth can balance onkyos brightness and B&W are very detailed)
Continuo ad essere stupito dalle prestazioni dell'Onkyo a-9150 e sarei molto interessato ad ascoltarlo in confronto con un Vincent, magari un sv-500. Ma non posso non confessare di essere colpito ancora di più da quella meravigliosa bambina danzante. È lei il vero gioiello. Un saluto cordiale
АТС лучше! 3 года наслаждаюсь их звучанием. Недавно добавил REL TX7i .Фантастика, заиграло лучше все! Не только басы. Никогда не мог подумать что Саб добавит столько красок.
Me encantó ATC. El sonido tiene más detalle, más presencia. Estos ATC son una genialidad. Son inalcanzables, pero disfruto viéndolos en tu vídeo. Gracias.
From a computer, it's hard to tell "exactly". However, by instinct, I would go for the Dali if I want to "enjoy" music. I would go with the ATC if I need "precision" (if I'm "anal" about hi fi)... After listening everything and coming back and forth, I think the ATC is a more balanced loud speaker and is more revealing (acoustic part). I'm surprised to find the ATC very musical ! Maybe the bass is a bit to round and strong with the Dali. During the "rock" part, the electric guitar from the ATC is simply WOW ! Thanks for the demo ! PS. You have a beautiful daughter ! I raised two girl myself. They're adult now.
George Kydonas i agree the mids on the atc is in a class of its own. Its just a bummer it lacks a bit of heft and rolls off at 60hz in my room.(which is why it sounds cleaner). i also later realized the dali was using diff (warmer copper) cables ( atc using silver) and was lower volume. I would try to make a better comparison once i get the chance.
Thanks for sharing this interesting test, my impression is that Rubicons are more easy listening even if accurate they seems to have more spatial sound (that as mr. Carver teaches means kind of millisecond delay) SCM11 it's harder but as many other guys here say, faster and accurate, also to me seems that they need a super power to be better driven but the thing is, they're very good speakers at all, maybe if you have a super analytic amplification you better go to Dali otherwise you'll loose the fun, with a Super Duper but delicate sounding Yamaha CA2010 you'll be able to catch the semi hidden details with ATCs... you know what? at the end nothing compares with a personal test with your system, i miss the old hi-fi stores to go and test before buy
I miss those days, too. I even remember the days where some stores would let you take demo equipment home to test it - and you didn't even have to leave a deposit! You just had to provide your name, address, phone number (with I.D, of course), and they'd let you take stuff home for a couple of days. Those were the good ole days!
its also probably the room. this was before I made room treatments. The Dali sounded terrible here. The ATC being Sealed is more immune to the Room. But yes, ATC is very technically accurate speaker. That said, I had all 3 and prefer Dali over both ATC and Dynaudio.
ATC wins this game boy a great margin. Cleaner, faster, articulate, transparant, clarity. The Dali shows at several points in the video where the upper mids los treble is a bit to hard. ATC is more natural sounding, more real imho.
I have done side by side comparison of ATC and Rubicons and surely ATC sounded to have more body to the sound but it's difficult to select one over another as both have different strengths
Very good analysis. The sonic differences are also due to design decisions. The Danish school (Dali and also Dynaudio) go for ports which gives deeper but at the tradeoff of less control (slower transients, muddier). The Danes also roll of the treble to make bad recordings more listenable but it also makes female vocals unnaturally dark and also they exaggerate the mid-treble to compensate for the lack of extension.. The ATC dual suspension tweeter allows it to roll off higher while maintaining treble control and without the need for a mid-treble hump.
IMHO ATC are the winners in most of categories-except Rock music, where slower bass of Dali may be ahead. Why ATC? Transparency, clarity, detailed high and midrange. PS Cute and talented little dancer..
Same level speakers. -Rubicon bass is messy. Rubicon easy to listen. -ATC is clearer but sound a bit hard. Less bass but more bass quality. But if you used silver cables to ATC, the comparison is not correct.
Igal Dinisman ur right, ill try to make another comparison. The volume on the rubicons was also much lower and i adjusted only via video editor. Rubicons bass in person i think is no where near messy so maybe the mic is picking up room coloration at low volumes Here is my old rubicon recording which are more accurate lol ruclips.net/video/Dtaj-TkEL8M/видео.html
These were my thoughts as well, Dali's bass is too loose, ATC is tighter and evenly balanced to my ears. If those dali's were a little tighter and with a fraction less treble they would be even better and a real giant killer.
Thanks for taking the time to show us this nice comparison. Both nice speakers but I prefer the ATC more direct, accurate sound, better highs, mids and more articulate bass, but I think the ATC has some weakness in the bass extension because of the seal technique, so for me, I would not take either of them, but thanks any way.
yes the closed design of the ATC really helps with non ideal rooms & placement such as this. The dali needs much more room and room treatment - this video was a few years ago and listening to it now I realize how sucked out the midrange is and bloated the bass was -- this was due to poor placement also and amplification.
Dali seem to sound sweeter in presentation but when the Jazz came on the ATC presentation started to show benefits especially as to the sound of the piano.
@mykeldg: Thanks for the great comparison. I auditioned both (Rubicon 2, ATC 19s) and Elac Vela 403s. Cant decide what to buy. Dalis seem to have more separation, air and big soundstage - wide and deep(layers) and play effortlessly, no sign of strain. Hope i am hearing right. ATCs seem very accurate and resolving too. Elacs felt slightly non-coherent (driver integration seemed off), though it could be the room but had open and airy highs, exquisite looks and build. Any thoughts on Elac Vela 403s? Please do compare if possible.
asif ali Khan ahh sorry i havent heard the velas yet. Ive only heard a few amt tweeter speakers like the wharfedale evo and also thought they did not sound coherent and the tweeter dispersion was not as omnidirectional like standard domes. Regarding dali vs atc, i much prefer the dali and it is my current favourite among all the speakers ive tried and heard. Its true that they are effortless since they indeed measure with the lowest distortion compared to many other brands. If there is one thing the rubicon is a bit lacking on, its probably sub bass. In my room they only go down until 45hz. The atc had great mids but i found them a bit boring with almost no bass (only 58-60hz in my room) and too mid centric for my taste
Dali sounds more fun and exciting, with enough transparency and lively sound to fight with the Atc, so it s the winner to me, even if the only way to really judge them is by listening live.
the dali also not placed properly here (boomier bass and thinner midrange due to poor placement) while the ATC is sealed. after a couple of years of positioning and some DIY room treatments, the Dali shines even more and still have not found anything quite like it from competitors.
Oh boy! .... I like them both but for different reasons. I’m looking to purchase a pair of stand mounts soon, i’d be interested to see what these would sound like with a Roksan caspian m2 integrated amp with the m2 power amp? 170w in total
The ATC feels good to me. I prefer neutral, balanced, and transparent sounds. Please give me Diana Krall into the ATC. Would sing beautiful and sweet. Thanks.
Which throws a deeper soundstage where there is more 3Dness to voice, instruments, effects, etc as well as a natural sounding piano with good attack and decay of notes? That's what I am trying to gain and am looking at these two among others, but I have Opticon 1s and like them nearfield, but no real bass being that small.
@@mykeldg Looked at these as well as a few others. Ended up with the Martin Logan 15i as well as Dali Opticon 1 which suits my current needs for main and desktop respectively. Down the road, when circumstances change such as room size and needs change, I would will rethink a variety of speakers in the now 1500 to 3000 price range. But I have managed to put together 2 small but well performing systems utilizing 2 Keces E40 integrateds and a Topping D70s and Aune X8 upgraded with a Sparkos opamp. Thanks.
Try adding Rel subwoofer with atc;) as atc subwoofer are very expensive :) btw your daughter already knows which speakers are the best, she is dancing by them :D
I have a REL sub from 2002... I think it was called Strata III. Paired with Sonus Faber Signums. Not sure the REL would be quick enough. It's been 20 years, and maybe the more expensive RELs are quicker... but I'm sure there are fast subs out there?
@@larrydunn4626 i had JL e110 powerfull good sub but for music too slow, now i has REL T9i superb subwoofer for music and it blends so great that i did not inagine other su except Rythmik for music setup. T9i also absolutely enough for movies, if your room is not nore than 30 square meter
maybe ATC for natural and less dynamic. Dali sounds more 3d soundstage and engaging for me. in this old video my room made dali sound bad because of the lack of proper backwall space and room treatment lol.
haha i think she was sleeping here (which is also why the rubicon recording is lower volume and I had to adjust via video editor, but unfortunately made it appear kinda bassier than in real life)
@@mykeldg mykeldg all what you did made a lot of difference, you should have made another video. for whatever reasons Dali's sound completely artificially in your vid and meaningful comparison is impossible
That acoustic guitar is going to have a negative effect on mid control and clarity since it will try to play along with notes EADG&B, produced by the speaker!
In the second song, the voice change tonality! It interesting if somebody have already heard the true voice! But it is not the case for me. Somebody can tell me please which one seems more realistic. Sorry for my English, I am French 😊
Christelle S considering atc is used by many artists in studios, i think ATC voices are more correct/realistic. The dali sound in this demo is not accurate, the mic is not picking up mid frequencies well due to the bass. But in real life the dali has neutral voices albeit slightly leaner especially compared to ATC. But for my taste I find the ATC sound more studio-like (can be boring for some people) while the Dali sounds more fun and engaging.
@@christelles9905 Proac supposed to be very good as well. From what i've read, ATC has class-leading mids because it uses dedicated mid dome inside the woofer (i.e. scm 11 is 3 way, the dust cap is a mid driver) But for my taste and limite experience, I find Dali has better details, layering, bass, rhythm, but vocals is a less warm.
@@mykeldg dynaudio special forty, evoke 20? For the moment I have B&W 706 s2 it's very detailed, but there is better for less 3 000 euros I think. So i will try your pist
@@christelles9905 For my taste, I prefer the Rubucon 2 over the Special 40 and ATC. See sound demos here : Rubicon ruclips.net/video/gxiaCdNXW4k/видео.html , S40 ruclips.net/video/Anr1jTyQMVc/видео.html . But it all boils down to taste; Dynaudio is more refined overall and has deeper bass. Rubicon is more Rhythmic & dynamic. I haven't heard the evokes but there is also a sound demo between b&w 705, Evoke, kef, sonus, and Rubicon 2 here: ruclips.net/video/e23TRiw-F9E/видео.html . listen and see which one you prefer.
Here's my comparison of Opticon 2 and Rubicon 2 : ruclips.net/video/Dtaj-TkEL8M/видео.html Here is also another nice and clearer comparison of Opticon 6 vs Rubicon 6: ruclips.net/video/e4-GPjdUstM/видео.html Here is Rubicon 2 using same Tracks as above. You can compare it with Opticon/Calisto 6 Sound from the above link. ruclips.net/video/gt8r23gT0Ko/видео.html
personally I would go for the Rubicon 2 which would technically give you a more higher-end sound at the cost of more bass (They say Rubicons sound 80% as close as the epicons for a fraction of the cost). But it depends on your preferences and size of room since there is a big bass advantage on the opticon 6.
Any idea what curve the dalis have? Listening to my new opticons i feel like they have a v shape. The highs annoy me sometimes. Wonder if the rubis have it too
Still a bit tilted up in the treble region but more refined (not as scratchy) and vocals and midrange is more refined and more upfront as well, bass is a bit deeper and fuller. In general they will still have similar soundsig just more refinement and control with better vocals.
personally i think you need a better recording setup and/or the room isnt good enough.. ATC are lot better in these recording tho.. (a little too slow. i would compare to electrostats or dome mids) rubicon are.clearly V shaped or its the room..
Haha yes forsure. The rubicons arent vshaped in real life and you are right that they need much better room/placement, if i pull them out more its neutral; the atc doesnt have this problem because of its sealed design . Also both speakers are not driven to their full potential with just an onkyo 30w amp.
@@mykeldg check primacoustic maxtrap or similar design for basstrap.. sealed design also have other advantage.. did you try plugging the port on the rubicon or use a sub + 60hz crossover.. or 2 snall sub with 150hz crossover personnaly i prefer 3 way designs with lighter midranges
atc is almost double the price of dali. it's not a fair comparison. the dali actually has better bass extension but the atc sounds like Dali has a extra curtain in front of the speaker. the transparency of the atc make the music sound as it's live
the dali similar if not a bit more expensive. Though this demo terribly does not do justice to the dali at that time because i had bad room treatment back then. The dali being ported created some problems with midrange suckout and a bit boosted bass. Atc being sealed is more immune. But yes atc has great transparency and balance
the dali is actually similarly priced if not a bit more expensive. Though this demo terribly does not do justice to the dali at that time because i had bad room treatment back then. The dali being ported created some problems with midrange suckout and a bit boosted bass. Atc being sealed is more immune. But yes atc has great transparency and balance
@@mykeldg my mistake on the price. I thought it's the smc20. They are both very good speakers. It all comes down to personal taste. I have listened to the Rubicon 2 and 8 live and they are superb sounding speakers, just right for my taste. I have never auditioned the atc live. In this video shows the speaker has good transparency, but sometimes this causes the speaker to be too bright. I don't like high treble speakers as they get get stressful to listen after a period of time
Hi. I would like to buy Dali Rubicon 5. I have Primaluna dialogue premium integrated vacuum tube amplifier which produces 35 watt power. Rubicon 5 requires at least 60 watt power amplifier. Do you think Rubicon is easily driven with Primaluna based upon your experinces ? Rubicon 5 is also 86 db and a little hard to drive. Thanks.
Yes it can drive it fine. I was using rubicon 2 with 30w ab and 20w class a before. Sound amazing on either amp. You want an amp to have warmth and smoothness as the dalis are very detailed and lively
@@mykeldg thank you so much for your comment. The another option is for me to buy an Audia Flight FL3S solid-state amplifier but I do not have a chance to compare the two amplifiers. Audia Flight produces mcuh more power than Primaluna but I am not sure if it is better or not. Would you recommend it over Primaluna Dialogue Premium ?
ATCs are winners in my opinion, based on every song in this recording. Everything is clearer, more defined, balanced, natural. Dalis sound like boom boxes, muddled, bass is exaggerated. Trying to over compensate for their size :)
ATC sounded more live, more real. The other one sounded a little veiled, muddy in the midrange. P.S. the Chris Jones "No Sanctuary Here" sounds nothing at all like the version done by Marian Herzog (featuring Chris Jones). I much prefer the Marian Herzog take on it.
I just don't like the fact that with the ATC's there's a hole in the performance, re: bass ... and I know that If I had them, I'd have to go and buy an additional subwoofer to get the best out of them … great, yet more expense ... that's why I've never bothered with ATC. Plenty of good performing speakers out there (Dali not being one of them in this case) that can do all the "Transparency" stuff, yet have the full, intended performance when it comes to bass. I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
yup, pretty much why I didn't fancy the ATC much at all. I can appreciate its merits as a monitor speaker and flat response and very nice midrange but it sounds lacking and still vastly prefer the Dali in person (recording of the Dali here is pretty junk compared to how it sounds in person)
yup, as long as you can live with no bass, the ATCs are excellent. The Dali has better bass, overall detail & layering (in person) but can be too much for other people. ATC on the other hand is very well balanced and easily the best mids.
@@umitbey4852 The issue isn't quality -- if we're talking bass from 30-60 Hz, the ATC simply doesn't produce it. It is a design decision... for that sized speaker they chose to do everything from 60-20k perfectly, and sacrificed the sub-bass.
Thanks a lot! I thought from different reviews that especially the ATC soundstage would be (much) better than the Dali’s. Overall i guess i’ll keep my Rubicons. In combination with Cambridge Audio CXA60 amp and the CA CXNv2 streamer they really sing! (Qed 4 speakercables). Great progression cause i used Bluesound Node 2 streamer before. Play jazz (vocals) and classical mosttimes.
Jules Frenay personally i prefer the rubicons in all areas vs the ATC maybe except midrange richness. My sound demo is not that clear and doesnt do it justice ( im only using a phone, its quite bassier in this recording). But in person the Rubicons are still the jaw dropping speaker between the 2.
Just to add, the ATCs are really great as well but it has no low bass (only down to 60hz). in my sound demo, it has a bit of heft because of room and recording coloration.
there is no doubt in my mind when I say this. ATC sound is the most unique sound ever. That extra cream that extra cheese. I can hear the difference blind. A lesson for you. Sealed speaker should be close to the wall. Try it again :-)
This video does not do them justice both atc especially dali. One issue i find with atc is its all midrange and no bass (even 5.25” bookshelves will have much more bass) I feel like the sound is too tight and hear no decay at low frequencies which make it sound kinda dry and radio-like at low volumes. But i didnt have proper amp and room treatment back then.
@@mykeldg Thanks for that. I'm hoping the integration of a couple subs might go a long way with them. Yep, felt the same way with the Denton 85th's. People raved about the midrange... unfortunately it felt like nails on a chalkboard to me, and I have the same concern with the ATC's. Wondering if splitting inputs on the binding posts might help tame it enough for my ears.
@@colinchang1543 the dentons has a lot more bass than the atc. Hope you can demo at the store to see if it suites your tastes. The atc would possibly integrate easier due to the sealed enclosure and very tight bass.
@@mykeldg That's exactly what I'm looking for... a nice balanced integration within the bookshelf, and then I can mess around with sub integration and room eq's through the dsp. I just have a feeling the mids are really forward, as they were in the 85's
Drums : Rubicon 0:00, ATC 0:53
Acoustic : Rubicon 1:32, ATC 2:31
Rock : Rubicon 3:18, ATC 4:33
Transients : Rubicon 5:49, ATC 6:39
Jazz : Rubicon 7:30, ATC 8:26
with what amp?
@@steinerleitz9922 Onkyo 9150.
It's in the description.
The real star is that little girl. What a sweetheart.
The SCM 11 are an end-game speaker if you want your audio to sound natural and dynamic with minimal effort and money. Superb for home theater as well (with a couple of sealed subs),
Enjoyed the comparison greatly; but your little girl is a sweetie. Makes me happy to see her joy with the music. Thanks; God bless.
Sounds to me that the Dali's have a warm, full bloodied sound with good bass extension and rich mid range and whereas the ATC's deliver a more accurate, transparent, analytical sound - So for lovers Rock, fusion go for the Dali's for the Classical music lovers, light jazz and vocals go for the ATC's.
pretty much all ATC's are flat frequency response speakers, the philosophy of this manufacture is to produce as accurate speakers as possible. Dali's accentuate bass and select part of the treble responsible for lush and details ('prestige'), the philosophy of that manufacture is to produce as attractive sound as possible, but not necessarily the most realistic sound possible. in my opinion it's easier to get a good sound with speakers like Dali, while quality flat response speakers like ATC require much effort to get that magic out of them - however if you succeed, the magic from them will be a real one. the rest is pretty much about the type of music the audiophile is listening to. there's music which simply requires flat response speakers to make it sound real and great, while there's also music which speakers like Dali will reward with a great sound
The ATC are neutral and transparent.The Rubicons sound warm with big full bass.
your daughter stole the show !!
So cute like a little Pokemon
Very lucky father 🙏 happy new year
A classical comparison would have been good.
I have had my Rubicon 2's for a few years now and they get (a lot) better as they age. It was a few hundred hours before I began to appreciate just how good they were.
Based on your video if I was making a decisions now having not heard either before, I would probably go with the ATC 11's. I liked their pace and energy. They felt a bit more lively and dynamic to me. I won't be swapping my Rubicon's out though. I love them too much.
Curious as to what amp you were using to drive them both.
Oh and your daughter was wonderful. Young children are such a gift. So free and uninhibited!
I found the same with my Opticons. They get better with time. Perhaps because of the wood incorporated in the cone. I have heard Rubicons and they are amazing. The ATC are also amazing. I could easily have both..
Hello- I am really interested in the Rubicon 2 but have read it may be hard to drive. I have a Mcintosh 4100 rated at 75WPC at 8ohms and 100 at 4 ohms.... Do you think I would have any problems? I have no way to audition as there aren't any local dealers....
@@chrissasse1728 they have not been hard to drive in my experience. I think that amp would handle them but I would advise you to find a way to demo them with your own kit and ideally in your own room before making the decision. Maybe ask DALI, or a dealer, if you can have them "on trial" and return them if they don't work in your set up?
It was a great comparison. I was waiting for this comparison, thanks. I heard that a user who bought Dali rubicon 2 after using Atc scm 11 for a long time was much more satisfied.
Im glad i was able to help. I haven’t heard alot but i have to admit the Rubicons are still the best speakers ive heard so far (atleast for my tastes). I actually sold the Rubicons 4 months ago and switched to Dynaudio. I soon found myself looking for the Dali sound in other speakers only to buy it back again.( atc were great as well btw i think its mids is a class of its own, its just not to my taste)
The BEST, ATC for me.
The Dalis sound muscular but the transparency of ATC is another league.
If you want your ATC to sound even better pair them with a musical amp capable of 200wpc into 8Ω
I used 200 wpc Musical fidelity separates. Detail and transparency with zero fatigue.
any amp you can recommend?
What a bass for bookshelves the Dali!
Enjoyed the comparison.I remember when my daughter was that age.What a doll now go have a tea party.
ATC hands down is the winner for me! The Rubicons sound somewhat restricted by comparison! You have some expensive speakers, they deserve a better amp or integrated amp but always appreciate your videos! You get these other guys who just talk, talk, talk and never provide any music samples! Happy listening!
thanks. I think I did not know what I was doing here in the rubicon recording 😅 -- doesn't sound accurate how it is in real life (volume is lower than ATC clip and the position is near the floor thats why all the mids are lost in the bass), also ATC was using silver cables. (it was shot on different days). So apologies and good ear for noticing something was off in the rubicon clip. For an accurate recording, see my later recordings of the Rubicons. That said, ATC I think still has unmatched mids and was less fussy about mic placement.
@@mykeldg If you have silver cables, could you do a comparison with the same speakers and different cables? A revealing speaker would be able to showcase the difference!
@@mykeldgI do suspect the placement of the Dali may not be optimal for its sonic performance…
Precious little girl. I'm not sure I liked the ATC speakers better because of the sound or because of the little girl dancing.
This is what great speakers and music does. It makes people dance. It's a wonderful thing. I liked the ATCs more than the Rubicons. Happy and good upload. Thankyou.
ATC is the best speaker more precise presentation off the instruments and no boom bass
The Rubicon has got more meat on the bone, much more fun and no listeningfatigue
super fun & musical (large amounts of open-ness, rhythm & pace)
Not easy neither for a subwoofer to keep up with the Atc
@@carthage7757 that's true. would be hard to find a sub that has bass speed that can match the class leading mids and super clean bass of atc
@@mykeldg atc c1 - not that hard, it’s in the same range!
@@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv oh,,that is too picky..within same brand..but do you suggest another brand?
wow i was here sometime back to validate if i should upgrade my onkyo 9150. and now you have new speakers! time to subscribe!
Han Siang Ng i have a small room thats why maybe the 9150 is good enough for me. Im still curious about upgrading the amp but i always notice getting much larger jump in SQ per dollar upgrading speakers so thats what i prioritized
@@mykeldg me too. yes you are right. I once tried pre-out from my 9150 to parasound A23, they sound the same just that A23 sometimes has alittle bit fuller bass.
Do you use it in Direct Mode and how do find the 9150 onboard dac performance? Thanks.
@@hansiangng2808 wow really? how much better in % do you think the parasound is? All my demos are usually with Direct mode on. But I have to say I always use 1 o clock on the bass dial. treble on 12 o clock when not doing critical listening. I find the dac on the 9150 its weakest link unfortunately but can be easily fixed with $100-200 external dac.
@@mykeldg At average voluime i would say around 90 to 95% of A23. Difference more noticeable on tower speakers. Maybe i could close the gap if i play with the tone controls.
Currently i am using it with the onkyo cdp 7030 and BW 705s2. The 9150 dac sounds more accurate, but i find it less musical than the cd player dac (woflson). Though it still sounds nice, but im not quite getting the goosebumps. Maybe i should try an external dac.
@@hansiangng2808 Thanks for this. It solves my AMP upgrade itch. I was actually contemplating on warmer amp like Denon or Marantz but after hearing this from you saying its close to a higher class amp , maybe it is good enough for the time being. I just want a more muscular sound since, like you (B&W 705), my speakers (Dali Rubicon) are also quite unforgiving.
Yes the internal dac is kinda lean sounding especially when I compare it to the Schiit modi multibit ($250) which are my current favorite. I suggest get a warmer dac (wolfson is also good match since its warmth can balance onkyos brightness and B&W are very detailed)
Atc needs good amplification.
I really like Dali's liveliness. The mid frequency of the ATCs is good, Dali's low-frequency is better, and the treble is brighter
Bass is only better if you like it boomy and over blown.
I like DALI sound.
Continuo ad essere stupito dalle prestazioni dell'Onkyo a-9150 e sarei molto interessato ad ascoltarlo in confronto con un Vincent, magari un sv-500. Ma non posso non confessare di essere colpito ancora di più da quella meravigliosa bambina danzante. È lei il vero gioiello. Un saluto cordiale
Both great speakers. Clarity-ATC, Bass-DALI.
👍👍 ATC as more natural and flat sound
In Canada ATC SCM11 is $2800 a pai and the Rubicon 2 are $3500 a pair before taxes.
АТС лучше! 3 года наслаждаюсь их звучанием. Недавно добавил REL TX7i .Фантастика, заиграло лучше все! Не только басы. Никогда не мог подумать что Саб добавит столько красок.
would be happy if you could add a track on violin/cello to the comparisons :)
Me encantó ATC. El sonido tiene más detalle, más presencia. Estos ATC son una genialidad. Son inalcanzables, pero disfruto viéndolos en tu vídeo. Gracias.
To my ears Dali's sound more warm, while ATC sound more holographic. I would pick the ones that I could listen to longer !
Definition ATC...
Dali is more fun but ATC is for serious listening 👍
ATC is life. Buy the biggest you can afford.
From a computer, it's hard to tell "exactly". However, by instinct, I would go for the Dali if I want to "enjoy" music. I would go with the ATC if I need "precision" (if I'm "anal" about hi fi)... After listening everything and coming back and forth, I think the ATC is a more balanced loud speaker and is more revealing (acoustic part). I'm surprised to find the ATC very musical ! Maybe the bass is a bit to round and strong with the Dali. During the "rock" part, the electric guitar from the ATC is simply WOW ! Thanks for the demo !
PS. You have a beautiful daughter ! I raised two girl myself. They're adult now.
Ack ack !
Who needs to be an audiophile when we have beautiful and joyful daughters :)
I love Dali i have Dali but here the winner is ATC more balanced & clear sound
George Kydonas i agree the mids on the atc is in a class of its own. Its just a bummer it lacks a bit of heft and rolls off at 60hz in my room.(which is why it sounds cleaner). i also later realized the dali was using diff (warmer copper) cables ( atc using silver) and was lower volume. I would try to make a better comparison once i get the chance.
i hear a little bit sharp brightness on the treble with the ATC sometimes. rubicon is smoother
Dalis are very coloured in the midrange.
I use ATC.
Thanks for sharing this interesting test, my impression is that Rubicons are more easy listening even if accurate they seems to have more spatial sound (that as mr. Carver teaches means kind of millisecond delay) SCM11 it's harder but as many other guys here say, faster and accurate, also to me seems that they need a super power to be better driven but the thing is, they're very good speakers at all, maybe if you have a super analytic amplification you better go to Dali otherwise you'll loose the fun, with a Super Duper but delicate sounding Yamaha CA2010 you'll be able to catch the semi hidden details with ATCs... you know what? at the end nothing compares with a personal test with your system, i miss the old hi-fi stores to go and test before buy
I miss those days, too. I even remember the days where some stores would let you take demo equipment home to test it - and you didn't even have to leave a deposit! You just had to provide your name, address, phone number (with I.D, of course), and they'd let you take stuff home for a couple of days. Those were the good ole days!
ATCs are similar to Dynaudio..., love them both.
Its another better League than the DALIs.
its also probably the room. this was before I made room treatments. The Dali sounded terrible here. The ATC being Sealed is more immune to the Room. But yes, ATC is very technically accurate speaker. That said, I had all 3 and prefer Dali over both ATC and Dynaudio.
ATC wins this game boy a great margin. Cleaner, faster, articulate, transparant, clarity. The Dali shows at several points in the video where the upper mids los treble is a bit to hard. ATC is more natural sounding, more real imho.
ATCs have epic mids!
I have done side by side comparison of ATC and Rubicons and surely ATC sounded to have more body to the sound but it's difficult to select one over another as both have different strengths
Very good analysis. The sonic differences are also due to design decisions. The Danish school (Dali and also Dynaudio) go for ports which gives deeper but at the tradeoff of less control (slower transients, muddier). The Danes also roll of the treble to make bad recordings more listenable but it also makes female vocals unnaturally dark and also they exaggerate the mid-treble to compensate for the lack of extension.. The ATC dual suspension tweeter allows it to roll off higher while maintaining treble control and without the need for a mid-treble hump.
Dali sounds like loudnes is turned on,with nice drive. ATC linear without that drive.
the ATC actives sound better than the passives , that includes the passive dali's .
IMHO ATC are the winners in most of categories-except Rock music, where slower bass of Dali may be ahead. Why ATC? Transparency, clarity, detailed high and midrange. PS Cute and talented little dancer..
Same level speakers.
-Rubicon bass is messy.
Rubicon easy to listen.
-ATC is clearer but sound a bit hard.
Less bass but more bass quality.
But if you used silver cables to ATC, the comparison is not correct.
Igal Dinisman ur right, ill try to make another comparison. The volume on the rubicons was also much lower and i adjusted only via video editor. Rubicons bass in person i think is no where near messy so maybe the mic is picking up room coloration at low volumes
Here is my old rubicon recording which are more accurate lol ruclips.net/video/Dtaj-TkEL8M/видео.html
These were my thoughts as well, Dali's bass is too loose, ATC is tighter and evenly balanced to my ears. If those dali's were a little tighter and with a fraction less treble they would be even better and a real giant killer.
Thanks for taking the time to show us this nice comparison. Both nice speakers but I prefer the ATC more direct, accurate sound, better highs, mids and more articulate bass, but I think the ATC has some weakness in the bass extension because of the seal technique, so for me, I would not take either of them, but thanks any way.
Listening blind, using Grado SR80e headphones, I preferred the Dali speakers on every song.
Listening in person, i also preferred the dali. 👍
Great video!
Very close,but atc sounds more slower and more balance
TBH this isn’t even a competition. ATC here with far superior presence. Only the ATC sounds real in the last two tracks
yes the closed design of the ATC really helps with non ideal rooms & placement such as this. The dali needs much more room and room treatment - this video was a few years ago and listening to it now I realize how sucked out the midrange is and bloated the bass was -- this was due to poor placement also and amplification.
The dali sounds very detailed
Dali seem to sound sweeter in presentation but when the Jazz came on the ATC presentation started to show benefits especially as to the sound of the piano.
@mykeldg: Thanks for the great comparison. I auditioned both (Rubicon 2, ATC 19s) and Elac Vela 403s. Cant decide what to buy. Dalis seem to have more separation, air and big soundstage - wide and deep(layers) and play effortlessly, no sign of strain. Hope i am hearing right. ATCs seem very accurate and resolving too. Elacs felt slightly non-coherent (driver integration seemed off), though it could be the room but had open and airy highs, exquisite looks and build. Any thoughts on Elac Vela 403s? Please do compare if possible.
asif ali Khan ahh sorry i havent heard the velas yet. Ive only heard a few amt tweeter speakers like the wharfedale evo and also thought they did not sound coherent and the tweeter dispersion was not as omnidirectional like standard domes. Regarding dali vs atc, i much prefer the dali and it is my current favourite among all the speakers ive tried and heard. Its true that they are effortless since they indeed measure with the lowest distortion compared to many other brands. If there is one thing the rubicon is a bit lacking on, its probably sub bass. In my room they only go down until 45hz. The atc had great mids but i found them a bit boring with almost no bass (only 58-60hz in my room) and too mid centric for my taste
@@mykeldg Thanks for your reply.
I think ATC mid so good.... But love the Dali bass. I prefer ATC since I love strings more
I like Dali
same here!
Like them both, in the long term probably ATC because of its neutrality.
winner: dali rubicon 2
Dali sounds more fun and exciting, with enough transparency and lively sound to fight with the Atc, so it s the winner to me, even if the only way to really judge them is by listening live.
the dali also not placed properly here (boomier bass and thinner midrange due to poor placement) while the ATC is sealed. after a couple of years of positioning and some DIY room treatments, the Dali shines even more and still have not found anything quite like it from competitors.
Espectacular audio
Oh boy! .... I like them both but for different reasons.
I’m looking to purchase a pair of stand mounts soon, i’d be interested to see what these would sound like with a Roksan caspian m2 integrated amp with the m2 power amp? 170w in total
Personally I prefer dali. Btw im using less caliber amp and both would definitely improve further with your roksan.
Nice little lady,-) Rubicon is more music, ATC is more hifi.
The Dali go deeper in bass, while the ATC are a bit more clear above the bass.
The ATC feels good to me. I prefer neutral, balanced, and transparent sounds. Please give me Diana Krall into the ATC. Would sing beautiful and sweet. Thanks.
Which throws a deeper soundstage where there is more 3Dness to voice, instruments, effects, etc as well as a natural sounding piano with good attack and decay of notes? That's what I am trying to gain and am looking at these two among others, but I have Opticon 1s and like them nearfield, but no real bass being that small.
for me its the Dali.
@@mykeldg Looked at these as well as a few others. Ended up with the Martin Logan 15i as well as Dali Opticon 1 which suits my current needs for main and desktop respectively. Down the road, when circumstances change such as room size and needs change, I would will rethink a variety of speakers in the now 1500 to 3000 price range. But I have managed to put together 2 small but well performing systems utilizing 2 Keces E40 integrateds and a Topping D70s and Aune X8 upgraded with a Sparkos opamp. Thanks.
Try adding Rel subwoofer with atc;) as atc subwoofer are very expensive :) btw your daughter already knows which speakers are the best, she is dancing by them :D
which amp do you use for your atc11 and how is the subwoofer feel like? can you share your videos?
I have a REL sub from 2002... I think it was called Strata III. Paired with Sonus Faber Signums. Not sure the REL would be quick enough. It's been 20 years, and maybe the more expensive RELs are quicker... but I'm sure there are fast subs out there?
@@larrydunn4626 i had JL e110 powerfull good sub but for music too slow, now i has REL T9i superb subwoofer for music and it blends so great that i did not inagine other su except Rythmik for music setup. T9i also absolutely enough for movies, if your room is not nore than 30 square meter
Which one have better soundstage, please? And which one is more natural (even if is less Dynamic)
maybe ATC for natural and less dynamic. Dali sounds more 3d soundstage and engaging for me. in this old video my room made dali sound bad because of the lack of proper backwall space and room treatment lol.
@@mykeldgtotally agree 👍👍👍
Dali👍!
ATC малыши с громадной душой…
She never shows upp when the Rubicon is playing. Why? 😂
haha i think she was sleeping here (which is also why the rubicon recording is lower volume and I had to adjust via video editor, but unfortunately made it appear kinda bassier than in real life)
@@mykeldg mykeldg all what you did made a lot of difference, you should have made another video. for whatever reasons Dali's sound completely artificially in your vid and meaningful comparison is impossible
That acoustic guitar is going to have a negative effect on mid control and clarity since it will try to play along with notes EADG&B, produced by the speaker!
my bose acoustimass spakers delivering buttery midrange and superdoofer bass extensions cant be match and an ooohh lala high frequencies
In the second song, the voice change tonality! It interesting if somebody have already heard the true voice! But it is not the case for me. Somebody can tell me please which one seems more realistic. Sorry for my English, I am French 😊
Christelle S considering atc is used by many artists in studios, i think ATC voices are more correct/realistic. The dali sound in this demo is not accurate, the mic is not picking up mid frequencies well due to the bass. But in real life the dali has neutral voices albeit slightly leaner especially compared to ATC. But for my taste I find the ATC sound more studio-like (can be boring for some people) while the Dali sounds more fun and engaging.
@@mykeldg OK, thanks. Atc, proac and spendor. Between this 3 i am looking for the better in Soundstage, details and voices...
@@christelles9905 Proac supposed to be very good as well. From what i've read, ATC has class-leading mids because it uses dedicated mid dome inside the woofer (i.e. scm 11 is 3 way, the dust cap is a mid driver) But for my taste and limite experience, I find Dali has better details, layering, bass, rhythm, but vocals is a less warm.
@@mykeldg dynaudio special forty, evoke 20? For the moment I have B&W 706 s2 it's very detailed, but there is better for less 3 000 euros I think. So i will try your pist
@@christelles9905 For my taste, I prefer the Rubucon 2 over the Special 40 and ATC. See sound demos here : Rubicon ruclips.net/video/gxiaCdNXW4k/видео.html , S40 ruclips.net/video/Anr1jTyQMVc/видео.html . But it all boils down to taste; Dynaudio is more refined overall and has deeper bass. Rubicon is more Rhythmic & dynamic. I haven't heard the evokes but there is also a sound demo between b&w 705, Evoke, kef, sonus, and Rubicon 2 here: ruclips.net/video/e23TRiw-F9E/видео.html . listen and see which one you prefer.
Девочка очень милая!
Thanks for the good work! Im thinking to buy Dali Opticon 6 or Rubicon 2 ! What do you think ? I can't decide ? Thanks a lot!
Here's my comparison of Opticon 2 and Rubicon 2 : ruclips.net/video/Dtaj-TkEL8M/видео.html
Here is also another nice and clearer comparison of Opticon 6 vs Rubicon 6: ruclips.net/video/e4-GPjdUstM/видео.html
Here is Rubicon 2 using same Tracks as above. You can compare it with Opticon/Calisto 6 Sound from the above link. ruclips.net/video/gt8r23gT0Ko/видео.html
personally I would go for the Rubicon 2 which would technically give you a more higher-end sound at the cost of more bass (They say Rubicons sound 80% as close as the epicons for a fraction of the cost). But it depends on your preferences and size of room since there is a big bass advantage on the opticon 6.
Go for the Epicon 😎
mykeldg thanks for the time ! Appreciate ! Could you tell me what size is your room ? Thanks
Str1ker U.k ooooo man i wish i have the money 💰 for the Epicon's ! 👋🏻
Any idea what curve the dalis have? Listening to my new opticons i feel like they have a v shape. The highs annoy me sometimes. Wonder if the rubis have it too
Still a bit tilted up in the treble region but more refined (not as scratchy) and vocals and midrange is more refined and more upfront as well, bass is a bit deeper and fuller. In general they will still have similar soundsig just more refinement and control with better vocals.
personally i think you need a better recording setup and/or the room isnt good enough.. ATC are lot better in these recording tho.. (a little too slow. i would compare to electrostats or dome mids) rubicon are.clearly V shaped or its the room..
Haha yes forsure. The rubicons arent vshaped in real life and you are right that they need much better room/placement, if i pull them out more its neutral; the atc doesnt have this problem because of its sealed design . Also both speakers are not driven to their full potential with just an onkyo 30w amp.
@@mykeldg check primacoustic maxtrap or similar design for basstrap.. sealed design also have other advantage.. did you try plugging the port on the rubicon or use a sub + 60hz crossover.. or 2 snall sub with 150hz crossover personnaly i prefer 3 way designs with lighter midranges
atc is almost double the price of dali. it's not a fair comparison. the dali actually has better bass extension but the atc sounds like Dali has a extra curtain in front of the speaker. the transparency of the atc make the music sound as it's live
the dali similar if not a bit more expensive. Though this demo terribly does not do justice to the dali at that time because i had bad room treatment back then. The dali being ported created some problems with midrange suckout and a bit boosted bass. Atc being sealed is more immune. But yes atc has great transparency and balance
the dali is actually similarly priced if not a bit more expensive. Though this demo terribly does not do justice to the dali at that time because i had bad room treatment back then. The dali being ported created some problems with midrange suckout and a bit boosted bass. Atc being sealed is more immune. But yes atc has great transparency and balance
@@mykeldg my mistake on the price. I thought it's the smc20. They are both very good speakers. It all comes down to personal taste. I have listened to the Rubicon 2 and 8 live and they are superb sounding speakers, just right for my taste. I have never auditioned the atc live. In this video shows the speaker has good transparency, but sometimes this causes the speaker to be too bright. I don't like high treble speakers as they get get stressful to listen after a period of time
ATC somewhat softer bass and less oomph than dali's.
And male vocal voices are way more veiled than dali's, which is more clear.
Both sound very good. What do they cost?
Hi. I would like to buy Dali Rubicon 5. I have Primaluna dialogue premium integrated vacuum tube amplifier which produces 35 watt power. Rubicon 5 requires at least 60 watt power amplifier. Do you think Rubicon is easily driven with Primaluna based upon your experinces ? Rubicon 5 is also 86 db and a little hard to drive. Thanks.
Yes it can drive it fine. I was using rubicon 2 with 30w ab and 20w class a before. Sound amazing on either amp. You want an amp to have warmth and smoothness as the dalis are very detailed and lively
@@mykeldg thank you so much for your comment. The another option is for me to buy an Audia Flight FL3S solid-state amplifier but I do not have a chance to compare the two amplifiers. Audia Flight produces mcuh more power than Primaluna but I am not sure if it is better or not. Would you recommend it over Primaluna Dialogue Premium ?
#rubiconteam
ATCs are winners in my opinion, based on every song in this recording. Everything is clearer, more defined, balanced, natural. Dalis sound like boom boxes, muddled, bass is exaggerated. Trying to over compensate for their size :)
ATC are very good
ATC sounded more live, more real. The other one sounded a little veiled, muddy in the midrange. P.S. the Chris Jones "No Sanctuary Here" sounds nothing at all like the version done by Marian Herzog (featuring Chris Jones). I much prefer the Marian Herzog take on it.
ATC hands down .......cleaner and deeper sound
Dali!
I just don't like the fact that with the ATC's there's a hole in the performance, re: bass ... and I know that If I had them, I'd have to go and buy an additional subwoofer to get the best out of them … great, yet more expense ... that's why I've never bothered with ATC. Plenty of good performing speakers out there (Dali not being one of them in this case) that can do all the "Transparency" stuff, yet have the full, intended performance when it comes to bass.
I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
yup, pretty much why I didn't fancy the ATC much at all. I can appreciate its merits as a monitor speaker and flat response and very nice midrange but it sounds lacking and still vastly prefer the Dali in person (recording of the Dali here is pretty junk compared to how it sounds in person)
Can you please share comparison of Rubicon and revel if possible
i'll try in the future
3:21 Name the song?
What's that first tune? Thanks!
Also what cables are you using may I ask? 😎
Victor Wooten - Song for my Father. Speaker cables? Audioquest x2, i think its the cheapest cable from them.
ATC SCM 11👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Dali are the best 👌
Atc son los reyes
Hi Bro 👋 Actual Song at the time duration of 2.00 Which album name and Track list please
Song
No Sanctuary Here
Artist
Chris Jones
Album
Roadhouses & Automobiles
They both sound like my Bagby Continuums.
Go little girl haha
Unfortunately, there is no other speaker that can surpass the sealed boxed ATC 11 in the same price band as a good amp.
yup, as long as you can live with no bass, the ATCs are excellent. The Dali has better bass, overall detail & layering (in person) but can be too much for other people. ATC on the other hand is very well balanced and easily the best mids.
@@mykeldg I prefer to hear the right quality bass instead of artificial bass :)
@@umitbey4852 The issue isn't quality -- if we're talking bass from 30-60 Hz, the ATC simply doesn't produce it. It is a design decision... for that sized speaker they chose to do everything from 60-20k perfectly, and sacrificed the sub-bass.
Dali sound a bit too boomy in the video, I like ATC better.
Thanks a lot! I thought from different reviews that especially the ATC soundstage would be (much) better than the Dali’s. Overall i guess i’ll keep my Rubicons. In combination with Cambridge Audio CXA60 amp and the CA CXNv2 streamer they really sing! (Qed 4 speakercables). Great progression cause i used Bluesound Node 2 streamer before. Play jazz (vocals) and classical mosttimes.
Jules Frenay personally i prefer the rubicons in all areas vs the ATC maybe except midrange richness. My sound demo is not that clear and doesnt do it justice ( im only using a phone, its quite bassier in this recording). But in person the Rubicons are still the jaw dropping speaker between the 2.
Just to add, the ATCs are really great as well but it has no low bass (only down to 60hz). in my sound demo, it has a bit of heft because of room and recording coloration.
Dali 👌
there is no doubt in my mind when I say this. ATC sound is the most unique sound ever. That extra cream that extra cheese. I can hear the difference blind.
A lesson for you. Sealed speaker should be close to the wall. Try it again :-)
Hi, did you feel the ATC's sounded forward (as they seem on most RUclips demo's)?
This video does not do them justice both atc especially dali. One issue i find with atc is its all midrange and no bass (even 5.25” bookshelves will have much more bass) I feel like the sound is too tight and hear no decay at low frequencies which make it sound kinda dry and radio-like at low volumes. But i didnt have proper amp and room treatment back then.
And yes it is forward in the midrange. Some people love this though. Because its rich in the middle at the cost of other frequencies.
@@mykeldg Thanks for that. I'm hoping the integration of a couple subs might go a long way with them. Yep, felt the same way with the Denton 85th's. People raved about the midrange... unfortunately it felt like nails on a chalkboard to me, and I have the same concern with the ATC's. Wondering if splitting inputs on the binding posts might help tame it enough for my ears.
@@colinchang1543 the dentons has a lot more bass than the atc. Hope you can demo at the store to see if it suites your tastes. The atc would possibly integrate easier due to the sealed enclosure and very tight bass.
@@mykeldg That's exactly what I'm looking for... a nice balanced integration within the bookshelf, and then I can mess around with sub integration and room eq's through the dsp. I just have a feeling the mids are really forward, as they were in the 85's
I love the girl