I now have SCM 7's on my PC, and even they are superb. (And more desk friendly) Such much midrange detail. Bass isn't an issue either, when they're 20" from your head. I picked up SCM 40's for my theater.
Thanx. I have 12K or so subscribers but as you can see, audio is not my usual topic to cover. I plan to do more audio and gadget related reviews and such as time allows and I feel like I have something to add/angle to cover not done by others. You et al do a great job of it. Anyone reading this: note I recommend his channel for the best 19 review to watch. I compare the 11s to the 19s, but don't actually review either per se
@@citronski His vid on the 19s is mentioned in my vid above and is the best vid on the 19s by far, what "forced" me to try the 19s after purchasing the 11s. For those who really want the breakdown on that speaker, his is the vid to view. In general, his is the best balance of tech talk and subjective commentary on audio to follow.
Can’t thank you enough for this video! I’ve been back and forth between these 2 ATC options and you’ve ultimately put a lot in perspective for me, particularly when it comes to the law of diminishing returns. In fact, it’s made me feel good about making the ultimate decision of holding on to some extra $$$$ and going for the 11s. Will I wonder about the sonic improvements the 19s offer, sure but I feel secure that the 11s are exceptionally good and close enough that I prefer having extra cash available over whatever incremental difference the 19s bring. Can NOT wait for my ears to FINALLY experience these ATC 11s!
Interesting insight, thanks. You touched on something most people never consider, which is building a much bigger sounding system for the money, using a small bookshelf and a subwoofer.
It's the best of all worlds for less $ too. Add base management and DSP and it's taken to another level for short $. I'm using the Anthem STR which is all in one plus ARC, but Mini DSP has cost effective choices also.
I bought SCM40s for my main room, and SCM7s for the bedroom. I then bought a used pair of SCM11s for my computer music studio. I've only heard SCM19s in shop. ATC are excellent value for money products. They all sound superb. The only thing I would add is a sub for my studio. The SCM19 bass/mid dome is similar to the legendary ATC mid driver dome used in the SCM40s, and gives you a hint of what the ATC mid driver can do. Beware if you buy the SCM19, as you may want to audition the SCM40s. The mid driver is phenomenal on vocals.
If U listen at Lowish to Moderate levels, then an Excellent ( Price Appropriate ) Amp would be the Rega Elex Mk 4 .... If U can Stretch the Budget a little then, check out the Exposure 2510. ( More Open & Airy compared to the Rega ). Or, If U Want / Need Digital Inputs & HDMI, then look at the AudioLab 7000A. Contrary to what the Interweb ''SAYs'' ... Not 'ALL' ATC's NEED 300 Watts of Power ... 'Up Them' !@@patrickf.7025
Appreciate you taking the time for this comparison. I had the 11’s for a year and the upgrade itch resulted in passive 40’s. Expect these to be my forever speakers!
I have been an happy owner of the scm11s for the past four years. I had taken the time to compare them to the scm19 and I fully share your opinion on these two ATC speakers. Since then, I have added a pair of REL T/5i subs and the combination with the scm11 is absolutely tremendous.
The 19s are an overall better speaker, but per the vid, I'd take the 11's and a good sub over the 19s alone any day. For those who can spend the cash, the 19s + a good musical sub and quality gear is really impressive audio.
Late to the game here, but this just helped me understand how good it would be just to get the 11’s. I’m currently using some Quad S2’s with a Rel t7/x, which I do adore in many ways being that it has that amazing ribbon tweeter, but I really want a sealed set of speakers with even more refinement and much more controlled precision throughout the frequencies for the smallish room I’m using. Hoping the ATC’s would be a good jump forward 🙏🏼
I'm glad you found it useful. The 19s + Velodyne sub is really impressive. Some day I will do two subs, perhaps using REL subs, as an obvious place to upgrade the sound.
@@citronski There's no system that does not benefit a lot or a little from the addition of a quality sub (or two!), especially those that are not full range like those 19s. But, has to a top quality musical sub, not something that just goes thump thump for HD. As I mentioned, If the budget was between the 19s and the 11's with a quality sub, I'd go the latter route every time.
Have you tried hypex ncx500 monoblock or Schiit Vidar monoblock with ATC speakers? I like the sound of scm7 and ICE class D(500w at 8ohm) and trying to upgrade both my speakers and amp. Looking at scm19 at the moment.
Only two amps I have used with the ATCs was a Tag-Mclaren and then the Anthem STR Integrated, which is the current set up and reviewed on this channel if interested.
Hi Will, thanks for the review. I'm looking to upgrade my current B&W CM5 stand mount speakers. You might find it curious that here in Australia the SCM11s sell for $2360 US dollars vs $3777 US dollars for the SCM 19s. I find it hard to believe they are cheaper here than in the U.S. By way of comparison the Klipsch heritage speakers (Cornwalls, Heresy etc.) are approximately 2.5x the price here compared to the U.S. To my mind this makes the SCM 19s a no brainer to purchase.
Not being a big fan of Klipsch, and knowing how good the 19s are, I tend to agree. However, Klipsch - using horns - and ATC, are apples and oranges in design approaches.
Ok I have to chime in. Not a little difference in all areas but a lot of difference in every area and particularly the area covered by that mid-bass driver. I did the same comparison at Musicdirect with Bes Nievera ( I live in walking distance to them) and the 19v2's simply put throw an unusually large stage. In fact from my position that stage became ever wider as it went back further becoming wider at the back from the V shape created with the seating position and the speakers. Musicdirect built two sound rooms not that long ago with enough space to audition just about any speaker made. One thing about the 19's is that because of their, I think 84 dBw efficiency they need some muscle powering them. Bes used expensive Esoteric equipment, even their Network player (the stuff is gorgeous) and the differences between speakers became very easy to tell apart. Don't get me wrong , the 11's are fantastic. Really great, until you here better ATC stuff. One thing and an important area of sound you missed is dynamics and if you compare ATC to almost anybody else you will realize just how effortless they sound. It's like they never run out of steam. It was at the 1986 summer CES where I first heard ATC speakers. The 100's tri-amped. I had listened to all sorts of reference systems; four cabinet 7 1/2 foot 1500 pound systems, etc. over three days. Then I walked into ATC's room looking rather modest by comparison some of the insane setups their. Two pairs of speakers and two gentlemen quietly conducting business. What I heard took my breath away. It was like the first time hearing a symphony going full tilt. It took a few minutes to put into words but it was the most uncompressed sound that I ever heard. It just seemed like its dynamic range went on forever! I think that the 19v2's use of that incredible mid-bass driver that is used in some their best speakers qualifies them as the best bargain in their lineup. That incredible dynamic ranges clarity coupled to the soundstage they produce. And one more thing, make sure all the screws are tight. Makes all the difference particularly in sealed enclosures. I could go on and wax poetic about the dealer that used to be in town that had a home theater built around ATC 100's for the front, 50's for the rear and something I forgot what, for the center channel the size of a refrigerator lying on its side all tri-amped with a custom Barco 9" optics projector that essentially blew away any theater that I've ever been in. I said enough
You make lots of good points! Here’s my responses to a few: “…difference in all areas but a lot of difference in every area and particularly the area covered by that mid-bass driver.” There was an enough of a difference I kept the 19s, but not 2X the cost worth of difference, hence the discussion of diminishing returns. I kept the 19s, but per vid, if I only had 4k to spend, I tell people to go with the 11s and a good sub all day. “ One thing about the 19's is that because of their, I think 84 dBw efficiency they need some muscle powering them.” I mentioned that too, yet I’m beyond impressed how good they sound an lower listening volumes. I ended up bi amping them using my 5 channel amp, and just added an Anthem STR integrated which has gobs of power and sounds great with the 19s. Review of the Anthem is in the works… “One thing and an important area of sound you missed is dynamics and if you compare ATC to almost anybody else you will realize just how effortless they sound. It's like they never run out of steam.” I did cover that and mention no matter how hard I drove them, they never started to compress, no doubt due to how overbuilt and well engineered they are. “I think that the 19v2's use of that incredible mid-bass driver that is used in some their best speakers qualifies them as the best bargain in their lineup. That incredible dynamic ranges clarity coupled to the soundstage they produce.” Even the most expensive speaker they make is still a bargain by high end audio standards as the SCM line even more so. If I was starting over and had more space, I’d get the SCM40A. Actives are where it’s at and no one does actives better than ATC. If/when I move up the ATC line, I will sell the 19s and my amps, and get the SCM40As.
@@willbrink I missed the the part in your review how the speakers didn't compress the sound. Sorry about that. I was working and listening to your video at the same time. You know when I was about to leave youtube another review by this British author was reviewing the ATC 19'. So I thought that I would chime in on that. Then I thought about it more and rather than recite it again, I changed my thoughts about the subject a bit . If interested ( I probably wouldn't but you never know) you can read my two cents on the Brits site. ruclips.net/video/qiUlJg-q5YM/видео.html Stay safe stay healthy in these trying days.
Good comparison. Thanks. I've only had the 11 for a few months, but I'm already getting the itch like you. I've been through a lot of the top brands, and ATC sounds the most real to me. Like you said, everything feels like it has extra weight to it. Even a simple guitar string pluck has nice impact. I have some Harbeths as well that are good for casual listening, but I think they are a little overrated. The imaging from the ATC is hard to beat.
I can't say the 19s are 2X as good as the 11s, but they are the better speaker across the spectrum if you wanna make that jump. Or, add a sub to the 11s and you'll be happy for sure. Just make sure to use a sub that can really match up to the 11s.
@@willbrink Ended up getting a Rythmik FM8. Matches well I think. I'm also going to try out the SCM19s. My guess is I'll end up keeping them, but we'll see. I got a decent trade-in offer for the 11s.
@@TH-lo8mq Cool. I don't know the brand of sub, but it's matching up well to the 11s, enjoy. I suspect if you try the 19s you will not wanna give them back. I warned you! :)
@@willbrink Well, I am actually going to return the 19s. I can tell why they use this driver in their pro monitors. The driver is clearly higher resolution and has better separation, but it didn't really come alive until higher volumes, and at that point my ears and head were hurting. I think the driver is just producing too much sound pressure for my area. I've had this problem with sealed subs as well. While I do like the sealed sound, ported speakers seem to be better on my ears. For some reason, the 11 doesn't have the same effect that the 19 had.
Hi Will, thanks for the review! My main question for you is: how would you characterize he feel and quality of the cabinet? Does the cabinet at least feel worthy of the 4,000$ price tag?
Everything about the ATCs screams quality in looks, build quality, and of course sound. There's speakers costing more that don't say quality build and engineering as the ATCs do. The cabinets pass the "knock test" very well as expected. Considering they're hand built in the UK, I consider them an excellent value.
@@willbrink I have the SCM19 v2. I think the cabinet feels hollow. Everything else is of high quality however. I think they made measurements and felt the cabinet doesn't make that much of a difference. Anyway, i recommend them.
@@citronski They measured with and without bracing and didn't see any differences. They focused on what matters most, the drivers, and those are top quality.
"once youve listened to something better, theres no going back" so true. I had dynaudio special 40s and loved them, then was so stupid to go to an audio show and listen to 10 and 20k towers. It was hard for me to want to go back to my bookshelfs...tragic
Superb objective overview, have you compared the 11s and 19s to the SCM 40, they seem excellent value and pure three way with three binding posts for multiple amplification.
Some where in the responses was talk about SCM40, but no, I have not. 11 vs 19s, is more apples 2 apples comparison. The 19s + a good sub, what I'm running now, compared to the 40s, would make for a good comparison though.
Awesome video, Will. I have really been looking at these 19s and going back and forth with the Revel 126Be. What components are you using aside from the Marantz streamer?
Im using a tag mclaren pre and amp, which is older gear but fantastic gear, and a Marantz SACD/CD player. All around excellent sounding set up, especially with the ATC 19s + Velodyne sub.
Thanks for this video. Trying to decide between the 2 right now. Wondering any comments on how they play at lower volumes lets say 70-80db? I hear different comments about the ATC's saying they sound great turned up only?
@@willbrink Excellent review again just watched it. I have a 20 x11 room with a Moon pre amp and W5 amp 190 per side with dedicated power line and transparent cables. Now to decide between the 11 and 19. One other thing that I want besides critical listening is to open the sound room door and let the music fill the house at decent volume...
@@ryanbailey112 Did you watch the follow up? If you have the budget, the answer is easy enough and hard recs given on which to choose in the above vid. Follow up: ruclips.net/video/QT-D9K6kXEs/видео.html
@WillBrink thanks for this video! I would greatly appreciate your input on these questions that came from watching your video: 1) you said sound signature differs, in what ways? 2) do you know if the more robust drivers in the 19 mean it will have greater lifespan? 3) I read somewhere the pro line scm12 and 20 Pro are using the same drivers and sound the same as the 11 and 19. Is that true and do you know what the differences are? 4) what subwoofer do you use that mates well with the 11 and 19? 5) what are the differences between v2 and v3? A move to in-house drivers? Thanks in advance!
1) you said sound signature differs, in what ways? I covered that in the vid 2) do you know if the more robust drivers in the 19 mean it will have greater lifespan? Any well made speaker not abused will outlast most owners, especially with modern materials. The 19s will have a higher power handling capacity. 3) I read somewhere the pro line scm12 and 20 Pro are using the same drivers and sound the same as the 11 and 19. Is that true and do you know what the differences are? I don't have any experience with the pro line stuff so can't say. Have not looked at any tech differences between them. 4) what subwoofer do you use that mates well with the 11 and 19? High quality musical subs of which there are many today. Per vid, I have been using the same sub for a long time, which at the time was one of the few really musical subs. Today there's a wide selection. I'd research that on a site like Gene DellaSala's site Audioholics where they do objective testing without usual audio fairy dust... 5) what are the differences between v2 and v3? A move to in-house drivers? Thanks in advance! I'm not aware of a v3 11/19 model. V2 are all in house designed and built drivers. You can see vids from their place discussing all that.
mr will i love ur suggestion of music. yhe 11 are the route i might go ive sub u ur a strait to the point. i jist bought the dt 6000 rotel cd player and wow thank u
You basically can't go wrong with ATC. I've owned the SCM11 V1, SCM19 V1, SCM40 V1, SCM11 V2, SCM19 V2, and SCM40 V2's. I just sold my SCM40 V2's and am considering going back to the SCM19 V2 to better match the 75 watts of my Audio Research GSI75.
AH....ATC, at moment .40v2....7.....and P1 amp..... They are realy something spetial Only one thing, where they not play as they can...is low level of volume They nead mid/high volumes to sing as the can Maybe Am wrong...maybe doing something wrong But, that is my experiance 👍😊🔝🔉🎶🔊
Are the 19s expensive absolutely but compare them to some speakers that cost 2 to 3 times as much and they will blow them away. Another point to make is that while they might be light in the base which you can increase with a sub woffer but the most important thing is the separation between vocals and the instrumentals. Listen to a song like Dirty Work by Steely Dan or anything by Candace Springs. I disagree the most important part of your system is your speakers. I have the 19s a Hegel 300 amp and some transparent 5 speaker cables. And it blows the doors of most everything out there at 2/3 times the cost. But rule number one is SPEND the MOST money on your speakers and your cables that’s what you hear.
I'm not convinced they'd result in audible or measurable differences. Only thing I may do is add some additional sound absorbing materials to the boxes, but again, I can't say I hear any cabinet effects to complain about either. I think any tweaks to the 19s are tweaks for sake of tweaks vs what will result in any audible improvements.
11 is more musical,more warm. 19 is more studio,more detail, more neutral. I bought the c1 mk2 because has more soundstage and deeper bass. If you like the 11 than try c1 mk2, c1 signature or c1 platinum.
I like the 11s, I like the 19s more per vid. I have the 19's with an excellent sub, so all good there. If/when I ever make a move up the ATC latter, it will be for the SCM 40A.
@@willbrink i heard the 11, 19, 40a. All very good. 40a is a big speaker. Maybe the Gershman studio ii could be something for you too. Thanks for your video.
@@jo1512 Hi, Can you help. My listening space measures 19.5ft (6m) long x 11,5ft (3.5m) wide x 3-4.2m high. Please advise which is the better of the following ATC speakers for all genres of music between ATC SCM19A, SCm40A and SCM40ASLT for my space. I listen to Prog Rock, some rock, jazz and reggae music. Any possible issues with overpowering bass with the 40A speakers? I currently have a Parasound A21+ amplifier and qty 2 x SVS SB2000 subwoofers. Thanks in advance. Reply
Would anyone please know how either the 11s or especially the 19s or 20s would compare to the Harbeth P3SER? All of these seem to be highly reviewed, and inspired by the same UK culture and traditions for audio. My understanding is that the 19s and 20s have the proprietary mid/bass driver? Which might make them significantly better than both the Harbeths and the 11s?
I don't have an experience with the Harbeth, so at that point it comes down to auditioning speakers in person to see what you prefer. My understanding is Harbeth tends to be a warmer more laid back sound, which some like.
Yes and I would get a set or even quad the Wharfedale sw150 $150 active subwoofer 10-inch subwoofer grate subwoofer for the price. I don't know that sub you got what's it like?
I have a Velodyne HGS15. Velodyne was one of the oldest and best makers of subs. It's 20+ years old and still as good any modern sub. It was also expensive as heck at the time. When it finally dies, I will go with 2x10 or 12" subs, but for now, it's good. I would only pair those ATC speakers with high end musical subs personally.
@@johnsweda2999 Active of course, huge servo motor and 1200w nominal/3000w peak, etc. It cost almost 3k in the 90s. It was probably the best sub of the time, still viewed a very good sub. There's only a few subs I would consider its equal eve today in terms of speed and ability to keep up with fast accurate speakers like those ATCs.
I've got the same issue. I have a flagship phone, top quality WiFi source and yet this is the ONLY video on RUclips that will not play after the first few seconds. It simply freezes and that's that. I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem.
@@philipdavenport5246 I just watched in total on my phone and comp, so I don't have any explanations for that one. I have a Plus One 7 pro phone and an older Mac lap top, worked ok for me. Maybe try watching on a lower res?
@@willbrink It's clear that there are many people who cannot see your review. I am very anxious see it and wonder if you can repost it - possibly in a different format? Cheers.
@@philipdavenport5246 Vid has 3k+ views, so the % of those having issues appears to be very low from what I can figure. Let me look at it on the back end and see if there's a setting I can change to improve if. If anyone has suggestions on that, feel free to add them here. I'm no YT tech expert. My rec this: It was recorded in 1080p, and set to run at that HD setting. I think it just chokes some people's line, or phone. etc. Try setting your viewing to lowest res, 480p, and see if that fixes it.
Quando se vai fazer um comparativo entre colunas, neste caso 2 modelos da mesma marca, eu gosto de ouvir o que está a ser comparado e fazer a minha propria análise. Não estou interessado no que o individuo pensa ainda que eventualmente possa saber muito do assunto em questão. Acho um piadão a estes citicos de amplificadores, leitores de cd colunas etc, falam, falam até irritam mas deixar ouvir o que estão a fazer a critica, bem podes esperar sentado. Sinceramente não sei se hei-de criticar a marca se o critico.
@@willbrink It depends on the system we have connected to the receiving computer, the quality of the microphone for recording, its positioning and the receiver's ear.
Managed to listen for 10 seconds. Please play some samples so we can hear by ourself. Just talking is meaningless. It needs to be complemented by samples of music.
You can't hear for yourself over YT. Makes no sense to me why people play samples of music as far as speaker reviews are concerned. Just talking is the only aspect that makes any sense in such a review, unless you're also posting objective measurements and I don't own the equipment for that.
@@willbrink I do not agree at all. It's very easy to hear the quality of a loudspeaker over RUclips. Specially when the listener have a lot of experience and design loudspeakers by them selves. The only channel I really enjoy is Jay's audio labs. Very good...
@@flex-cx9bi Note the two reviewers I recommended who did review of the 11s and the 19s separately play no music in their reviews. Why? It's a complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I'd never judge the sound of a speaker, good bad, via a YT vid as it has no legit reflection of how that speaker sounds, unless perhaps one used expensive mics and recording gear, used lossless format, and the listener (you) did so over high quality headphones, and even then, it's not accurate and a waste of time. You will hear no differences between those speakers over some YT vid.
@@flex-cx9bi I've listened to a lot of speakers both professionally designed and amateur efforts. I've designed three for my own pleasure, eq'd, tweaked and adjusted to my room etc etc etc. On my old channel, I've even posted, with the help of a techy cousin', an attempt at capturing the in room sound. In the end, he mic'ed each speaker from distances that did not correspond to the listening position to get closest to the in-room sound and even then... I can say for myself, that no, you can't hear over YT. The room just has too much effect plus the mic and recording equipment and method add a lot. Just the mic placement is already a decision, on top, the mic response is not the same as ear perception in the room. The YT compression adds its own distractions. At the level of accuracy in speakers like these, best to listen live in the room you're considering them in. Try it. Move your positioning around your room and hear. IMO, if it's over YT, it has to be mic'ed in an anechoic chamber to hear the actual differences of the speakers rather than each speakers interaction with the room.
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I now have SCM 7's on my PC, and even they are superb. (And more desk friendly) Such much midrange detail. Bass isn't an issue either, when they're 20" from your head. I picked up SCM 40's for my theater.
You can’t go wrong with ATC speakers I’ve had a pair for many years , listen to all types of music and find them great,,,👍👍👍👍
One thing I do find is they are unforgiving of poorly recorded music.
@@willbrink true they take no prisoners,,,changed amplification a few times when first got them also ,
Nice comparison Will. I hope your channel grows 😊👍
Thanx. I have 12K or so subscribers but as you can see, audio is not my usual topic to cover. I plan to do more audio and gadget related reviews and such as time allows and I feel like I have something to add/angle to cover not done by others. You et al do a great job of it. Anyone reading this: note I recommend his channel for the best 19 review to watch. I compare the 11s to the 19s, but don't actually review either per se
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Aren't you that british audiophile chap? ;-)
@@citronski I am 😊
@@citronski His vid on the 19s is mentioned in my vid above and is the best vid on the 19s by far, what "forced" me to try the 19s after purchasing the 11s. For those who really want the breakdown on that speaker, his is the vid to view. In general, his is the best balance of tech talk and subjective commentary on audio to follow.
Can’t thank you enough for this video! I’ve been back and forth between these 2 ATC options and you’ve ultimately put a lot in perspective for me, particularly when it comes to the law of diminishing returns. In fact, it’s made me feel good about making the ultimate decision of holding on to some extra $$$$ and going for the 11s. Will I wonder about the sonic improvements the 19s offer, sure but I feel secure that the 11s are exceptionally good and close enough that I prefer having extra cash available over whatever incremental difference the 19s bring. Can NOT wait for my ears to FINALLY experience these ATC 11s!
Add a quality sub, and set it up properly, and you'll experience some truly impressive audio for the $.
Feeling secure is an amazing thing.
Interesting insight, thanks. You touched on something most people never consider, which is building a much bigger sounding system for the money, using a small bookshelf and a subwoofer.
It's the best of all worlds for less $ too. Add base management and DSP and it's taken to another level for short $. I'm using the Anthem STR which is all in one plus ARC, but Mini DSP has cost effective choices also.
I bought SCM40s for my main room, and SCM7s for the bedroom. I then bought a used pair of SCM11s for my computer music studio. I've only heard SCM19s in shop. ATC are excellent value for money products. They all sound superb. The only thing I would add is a sub for my studio. The SCM19 bass/mid dome is similar to the legendary ATC mid driver dome used in the SCM40s, and gives you a hint of what the ATC mid driver can do. Beware if you buy the SCM19, as you may want to audition the SCM40s. The mid driver is phenomenal on vocals.
Nice ;) is there any amp you can really recommend for the SCM11?
If U listen at Lowish to Moderate levels, then an Excellent ( Price Appropriate ) Amp would be the Rega Elex Mk 4 .... If U can Stretch the Budget a little then, check out the Exposure 2510. ( More Open & Airy compared to the Rega ). Or, If U Want / Need Digital Inputs & HDMI, then look at the AudioLab 7000A. Contrary to what the Interweb ''SAYs'' ... Not 'ALL' ATC's NEED 300 Watts of Power ... 'Up Them' !@@patrickf.7025
Appreciate you taking the time for this comparison. I had the 11’s for a year and the upgrade itch resulted in passive 40’s. Expect these to be my forever speakers!
11s to 40s will be a killer jump for sure!
Gite the 19, wish i could afford the 40s. Was it the upgrade worth it?
I have been an happy owner of the scm11s for the past four years. I had taken the time to compare them to the scm19 and I fully share your opinion on these two ATC speakers. Since then, I have added a pair of REL T/5i subs and the combination with the scm11 is absolutely tremendous.
The 19s are an overall better speaker, but per the vid, I'd take the 11's and a good sub over the 19s alone any day. For those who can spend the cash, the 19s + a good musical sub and quality gear is really impressive audio.
Late to the game here, but this just helped me understand how good it would be just to get the 11’s. I’m currently using some Quad S2’s with a Rel t7/x, which I do adore in many ways being that it has that amazing ribbon tweeter, but I really want a sealed set of speakers with even more refinement and much more controlled precision throughout the frequencies for the smallish room I’m using. Hoping the ATC’s would be a good jump forward 🙏🏼
I don't think you will be unhappy with that choice
Honest, sincere and informative comparison. Valuable video !!!
Glad you found it helpful.
I love your honesty. Excellent video!
Spot on review. I’m using the 11 v2 with SVS 4000SB. Very happy.
I'm glad you found it useful. The 19s + Velodyne sub is really impressive. Some day I will do two subs, perhaps using REL subs, as an obvious place to upgrade the sound.
Massive sub for those, but probably sounds great. I have the 11s in my office, and I'm starting to crave more bass.
@@willbrink Not sure what a second sub offers to be honest. Are you sure it's worth it?
@@citronski There's no system that does not benefit a lot or a little from the addition of a quality sub (or two!), especially those that are not full range like those 19s. But, has to a top quality musical sub, not something that just goes thump thump for HD. As I mentioned, If the budget was between the 19s and the 11's with a quality sub, I'd go the latter route every time.
Thank you, at last someone is willing to actually do a proper comparison!
Thanx! I try to add practical advice as to choices made where possible.
Have you tried hypex ncx500 monoblock or Schiit Vidar monoblock with ATC speakers? I like the sound of scm7 and ICE class D(500w at 8ohm) and trying to upgrade both my speakers and amp. Looking at scm19 at the moment.
Only two amps I have used with the ATCs was a Tag-Mclaren and then the Anthem STR Integrated, which is the current set up and reviewed on this channel if interested.
Hi Will, thanks for the review. I'm looking to upgrade my current B&W CM5 stand mount speakers. You might find it curious that here in Australia the SCM11s sell for $2360 US dollars vs $3777 US dollars for the SCM 19s. I find it hard to believe they are cheaper here than in the U.S. By way of comparison the Klipsch heritage speakers (Cornwalls, Heresy etc.) are approximately 2.5x the price here compared to the U.S. To my mind this makes the SCM 19s a no brainer to purchase.
Not being a big fan of Klipsch, and knowing how good the 19s are, I tend to agree. However, Klipsch - using horns - and ATC, are apples and oranges in design approaches.
Very helpful - thanks for sharing your observations and context.
Glad you found it helpful. I also did a one year follow up with the 19s on this channel if interested.
@@willbrink Thanks!
Insightful comparison but SCM11 with sub is it around same price as ATC SCM19? If so would AT SCM19 be a better choice ?
I have the SCM19 v2. I think you still need a sub. If you are on a budget, get the SCM11 v2 and a SVS SB1000 or so and you have great value.
Thanks for your reply and thank you for introducing some new music/artists such as Natalie Merchant.
Ok I have to chime in. Not a little difference in all areas but a lot of difference in every area and particularly the area covered by that mid-bass driver. I did the same comparison at Musicdirect with Bes Nievera ( I live in walking distance to them) and the 19v2's simply put throw an unusually large stage. In fact from my position that stage became ever wider as it went back further becoming wider at the back from the V shape created with the seating position and the speakers. Musicdirect built two sound rooms not that long ago with enough space to audition just about any speaker made.
One thing about the 19's is that because of their, I think 84 dBw efficiency they need some muscle powering them. Bes used expensive Esoteric equipment, even their Network player (the stuff is gorgeous) and the differences between speakers became very easy to tell apart. Don't get me wrong , the 11's are fantastic. Really great, until you here better ATC stuff. One thing and an important area of sound you missed is dynamics and if you compare ATC to almost anybody else you will realize just how effortless they sound. It's like they never run out of steam.
It was at the 1986 summer CES where I first heard ATC speakers. The 100's tri-amped. I had listened to all sorts of reference systems; four cabinet 7 1/2 foot 1500 pound systems, etc. over three days. Then I walked into ATC's room looking rather modest by comparison some of the insane setups their. Two pairs of speakers and two gentlemen quietly conducting business. What I heard took my breath away. It was like the first time hearing a symphony going full tilt. It took a few minutes to put into words but it was the most uncompressed sound that I ever heard. It just seemed like its dynamic range went on forever!
I think that the 19v2's use of that incredible mid-bass driver that is used in some their best speakers qualifies them as the best bargain in their lineup. That incredible dynamic ranges clarity coupled to the soundstage they produce. And one more thing, make sure all the screws are tight. Makes all the difference particularly in sealed enclosures. I could go on and wax poetic about the dealer that used to be in town that had a home theater built around ATC 100's for the front, 50's for the rear and something I forgot what, for the center channel the size of a refrigerator lying on its side all tri-amped with a custom Barco 9" optics projector that essentially blew away any theater that I've ever been in. I said enough
You make lots of good points! Here’s my responses to a few:
“…difference in all areas but a lot of difference in every area and particularly the area covered by that mid-bass driver.”
There was an enough of a difference I kept the 19s, but not 2X the cost worth of difference, hence the discussion of diminishing returns. I kept the 19s, but per vid, if I only had 4k to spend, I tell people to go with the 11s and a good sub all day.
“ One thing about the 19's is that because of their, I think 84 dBw efficiency they need some muscle powering them.”
I mentioned that too, yet I’m beyond impressed how good they sound an lower listening volumes. I ended up bi amping them using my 5 channel amp, and just added an Anthem STR integrated which has gobs of power and sounds great with the 19s. Review of the Anthem is in the works…
“One thing and an important area of sound you missed is dynamics and if you compare ATC to almost anybody else you will realize just how effortless they sound. It's like they never run out of steam.”
I did cover that and mention no matter how hard I drove them, they never started to compress, no doubt due to how overbuilt and well engineered they are.
“I think that the 19v2's use of that incredible mid-bass driver that is used in some their best speakers qualifies them as the best bargain in their lineup. That incredible dynamic ranges clarity coupled to the soundstage they produce.”
Even the most expensive speaker they make is still a bargain by high end audio standards as the SCM line even more so. If I was starting over and had more space, I’d get the SCM40A. Actives are where it’s at and no one does actives better than ATC. If/when I move up the ATC line, I will sell the 19s and my amps, and get the SCM40As.
@@willbrink I missed the the part in your review how the speakers didn't compress the sound. Sorry about that. I was working and listening to your video at the same time. You know when I was about to leave youtube another review by this British author was reviewing the ATC 19'. So I thought that I would chime in on that. Then I thought about it more and rather than recite it again, I changed my thoughts about the subject a bit . If interested ( I probably wouldn't but you never know) you can read my two cents on the Brits site. ruclips.net/video/qiUlJg-q5YM/видео.html
Stay safe stay healthy in these trying days.
Good comparison. Thanks. I've only had the 11 for a few months, but I'm already getting the itch like you. I've been through a lot of the top brands, and ATC sounds the most real to me. Like you said, everything feels like it has extra weight to it. Even a simple guitar string pluck has nice impact. I have some Harbeths as well that are good for casual listening, but I think they are a little overrated. The imaging from the ATC is hard to beat.
I can't say the 19s are 2X as good as the 11s, but they are the better speaker across the spectrum if you wanna make that jump. Or, add a sub to the 11s and you'll be happy for sure. Just make sure to use a sub that can really match up to the 11s.
@@willbrink Ended up getting a Rythmik FM8. Matches well I think. I'm also going to try out the SCM19s. My guess is I'll end up keeping them, but we'll see. I got a decent trade-in offer for the 11s.
@@TH-lo8mq Cool. I don't know the brand of sub, but it's matching up well to the 11s, enjoy. I suspect if you try the 19s you will not wanna give them back. I warned you! :)
Had mine for six years and they get better with age
@@willbrink Well, I am actually going to return the 19s. I can tell why they use this driver in their pro monitors. The driver is clearly higher resolution and has better separation, but it didn't really come alive until higher volumes, and at that point my ears and head were hurting. I think the driver is just producing too much sound pressure for my area. I've had this problem with sealed subs as well. While I do like the sealed sound, ported speakers seem to be better on my ears. For some reason, the 11 doesn't have the same effect that the 19 had.
Great vid... I'm thinking of buying the 11s
Have you listened to them?
Didn't hear them but got a very good deal for the SCM19 v2 and i'm really happy, the best speakers i haver had to be honeyst. Did you get them?
@@citronski Here's my 1 year-ish follow up with the 19s: ruclips.net/video/QT-D9K6kXEs/видео.html
@@willbrink Cheers mate
Great video, great talk, great comparison.
Do more quality videos like this👍👍💪
Thanx, glad you enjoyed it. I have approx 300 vids here, these are the first that are audio related. ;)
Hi Will, thanks for the review! My main question for you is: how would you characterize he feel and quality of the cabinet? Does the cabinet at least feel worthy of the 4,000$ price tag?
Everything about the ATCs screams quality in looks, build quality, and of course sound. There's speakers costing more that don't say quality build and engineering as the ATCs do. The cabinets pass the "knock test" very well as expected. Considering they're hand built in the UK, I consider them an excellent value.
@@willbrink I have the SCM19 v2. I think the cabinet feels hollow. Everything else is of high quality however. I think they made measurements and felt the cabinet doesn't make that much of a difference.
Anyway, i recommend them.
@@citronski They measured with and without bracing and didn't see any differences. They focused on what matters most, the drivers, and those are top quality.
"once youve listened to something better, theres no going back" so true. I had dynaudio special 40s and loved them, then was so stupid to go to an audio show and listen to 10 and 20k towers. It was hard for me to want to go back to my bookshelfs...tragic
I blame his review of the 19s for "forcing" me to listen to them. :)
Superb objective overview, have you compared the 11s and 19s to the SCM 40, they seem excellent value and pure three way with three binding posts for multiple amplification.
Some where in the responses was talk about SCM40, but no, I have not. 11 vs 19s, is more apples 2 apples comparison. The 19s + a good sub, what I'm running now, compared to the 40s, would make for a good comparison though.
Good review ! Thank you
Awesome video, Will. I have really been looking at these 19s and going back and forth with the Revel 126Be.
What components are you using aside from the Marantz streamer?
Im using a tag mclaren pre and amp, which is older gear but fantastic gear, and a Marantz SACD/CD player. All around excellent sounding set up, especially with the ATC 19s + Velodyne sub.
I heard the Revel M106 the other day and I was blown away. So yes, I'm interested in the comparison of the Revel Be and SCM19 too!
@@nurhandrio Did you get to compare?
@@willbrink I wish! But no, they're too pricey for my card now haha
Thanks for this video. Trying to decide between the 2 right now. Wondering any comments on how they play at lower volumes lets say 70-80db? I hear different comments about the ATC's saying they sound great turned up only?
See my follow up vid on the 19 where I talk about that: lower volume one of their strongest points.
@@willbrink Excellent review again just watched it. I have a 20 x11 room with a Moon pre amp and W5 amp 190 per side with dedicated power line and transparent cables. Now to decide between the 11 and 19. One other thing that I want besides critical listening is to open the sound room door and let the music fill the house at decent volume...
@@ryanbailey112 Did you watch the follow up? If you have the budget, the answer is easy enough and hard recs given on which to choose in the above vid. Follow up: ruclips.net/video/QT-D9K6kXEs/видео.html
@@willbrink Well I was a bit excited...but I went down to the dealer and purchased the speakers. Thanks for the reviews and great detail.
@@ryanbailey112 Enjoy! 😉
@WillBrink thanks for this video! I would greatly appreciate your input on these questions that came from watching your video: 1) you said sound signature differs, in what ways? 2) do you know if the more robust drivers in the 19 mean it will have greater lifespan? 3) I read somewhere the pro line scm12 and 20 Pro are using the same drivers and sound the same as the 11 and 19. Is that true and do you know what the differences are? 4) what subwoofer do you use that mates well with the 11 and 19? 5) what are the differences between v2 and v3? A move to in-house drivers? Thanks in advance!
1) you said sound signature differs, in what ways?
I covered that in the vid
2) do you know if the more robust drivers in the 19 mean it will have greater lifespan?
Any well made speaker not abused will outlast most owners, especially with modern materials. The 19s will have a higher power handling capacity.
3) I read somewhere the pro line scm12 and 20 Pro are using the same drivers and sound the same as the 11 and 19. Is that true and do you know what the differences are?
I don't have any experience with the pro line stuff so can't say. Have not looked at any tech differences between them.
4) what subwoofer do you use that mates well with the 11 and 19?
High quality musical subs of which there are many today. Per vid, I have been using the same sub for a long time, which at the time was one of the few really musical subs. Today there's a wide selection. I'd research that on a site like Gene DellaSala's site Audioholics where they do objective testing without usual audio fairy dust...
5) what are the differences between v2 and v3? A move to in-house drivers? Thanks in advance!
I'm not aware of a v3 11/19 model. V2 are all in house designed and built drivers. You can see vids from their place discussing all that.
hello after how many hours of listening do a pair of new Scm11 start to express themselves at their best?
Do you mean as a break in period? They sounded great to me right out of the box.
mr will i love ur suggestion of music. yhe 11 are the route i might go ive sub u ur a strait to the point. i jist bought the dt 6000 rotel cd player and wow thank u
I'm sure you will enjoy the 11's.
Nice Video ;) ist there any amp you can recommend for the SCM11?
Depends on budget, what you want, etc. Want to use quality gear with those. They're 85db efficient so do need power.
@@willbrink yes I know. Do you have a recommendation?
You basically can't go wrong with ATC. I've owned the SCM11 V1, SCM19 V1, SCM40 V1, SCM11 V2, SCM19 V2, and SCM40 V2's. I just sold my SCM40 V2's and am considering going back to the SCM19 V2 to better match the 75 watts of my Audio Research GSI75.
You have owned a lot of ATC speakers!
AH....ATC, at moment .40v2....7.....and P1 amp.....
They are realy something spetial
Only one thing, where they not play as they can...is low level of volume
They nead mid/high volumes to sing as the can
Maybe Am wrong...maybe doing something wrong
But, that is my experiance
👍😊🔝🔉🎶🔊
Can be that should have 19s🎉
@@zorankalina6100 I'd like to compare the 19s and the 40s. The 19s + a good sub sound amazing.
@@willbrink yes..now I am thinking so
But...should try in my space with all the rest😊👍
Are the 19s expensive absolutely but compare them to some speakers that cost 2 to 3 times as much and they will blow them away. Another point to make is that while they might be light in the base which you can increase with a sub woffer but the most important thing is the separation between vocals and the instrumentals. Listen to a song like Dirty Work by Steely Dan or anything by Candace Springs. I disagree the most important part of your system is your speakers. I have the 19s a Hegel
300 amp and some transparent 5 speaker cables. And it blows the doors of most everything out there at 2/3 times the cost. But rule number one is SPEND the MOST money on your speakers and your cables that’s what you hear.
Would you be the kind of guy to do the GR Reaserch upgrade on your ATC 11 and 19? Would love a video on that.
I'm not convinced they'd result in audible or measurable differences. Only thing I may do is add some additional sound absorbing materials to the boxes, but again, I can't say I hear any cabinet effects to complain about either. I think any tweaks to the 19s are tweaks for sake of tweaks vs what will result in any audible improvements.
11 is more musical,more warm.
19 is more studio,more detail, more neutral.
I bought the c1 mk2 because has more soundstage and deeper bass.
If you like the 11 than try c1 mk2, c1 signature or c1 platinum.
I like the 11s, I like the 19s more per vid. I have the 19's with an excellent sub, so all good there. If/when I ever make a move up the ATC latter, it will be for the SCM 40A.
@@willbrink i heard the 11, 19, 40a.
All very good. 40a is a big speaker.
Maybe the Gershman studio ii could be something for you too.
Thanks for your video.
@@willbrink 19 sounds more detailed than 40a and more neutral and clean. 40a bit more full and more bass
@@jo1512 Good to know!
@@jo1512 Hi, Can you help. My listening space measures 19.5ft (6m) long x 11,5ft (3.5m) wide x 3-4.2m high. Please advise which is the better of the following ATC speakers for all genres of music between ATC SCM19A, SCm40A and SCM40ASLT for my space. I listen to Prog Rock, some rock, jazz and reggae music. Any possible issues with overpowering bass with the 40A speakers? I currently have a Parasound A21+ amplifier and qty 2 x SVS SB2000 subwoofers. Thanks in advance.
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Would anyone please know how either the 11s or especially the 19s or 20s would compare to the Harbeth P3SER? All of these seem to be highly reviewed, and inspired by the same UK culture and traditions for audio. My understanding is that the 19s and 20s have the proprietary mid/bass driver? Which might make them significantly better than both the Harbeths and the 11s?
I don't have an experience with the Harbeth, so at that point it comes down to auditioning speakers in person to see what you prefer. My understanding is Harbeth tends to be a warmer more laid back sound, which some like.
ATC SCM150A SE Active.
Not as cheap as twice the SCM 19... but you might give them a try.
Dude, people have invoices to pay ;-).
@@citronski Thx, didn't know that, bc in our country we get paid by humping the boss. In USA... yes I guess kind of RUclips slaves.
Yes and I would get a set or even quad the Wharfedale sw150 $150 active subwoofer 10-inch subwoofer grate subwoofer for the price.
I don't know that sub you got what's it like?
I have a Velodyne HGS15. Velodyne was one of the oldest and best makers of subs. It's 20+ years old and still as good any modern sub. It was also expensive as heck at the time. When it finally dies, I will go with 2x10 or 12" subs, but for now, it's good. I would only pair those ATC speakers with high end musical subs personally.
@@willbrink that sub is it Active or Passive.? don't underestimate the Wharfedale pro sw150 or the other ranges of subs they are very musical
@@johnsweda2999 Active of course, huge servo motor and 1200w nominal/3000w peak, etc. It cost almost 3k in the 90s. It was probably the best sub of the time, still viewed a very good sub. There's only a few subs I would consider its equal eve today in terms of speed and ability to keep up with fast accurate speakers like those ATCs.
Your video plays for a few seconds, then freezes.
Seems to be working ok for me.
I've got the same issue. I have a flagship phone, top quality WiFi source and yet this is the ONLY video on RUclips that will not play after the first few seconds. It simply freezes and that's that.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem.
@@philipdavenport5246 I just watched in total on my phone and comp, so I don't have any explanations for that one. I have a Plus One 7 pro phone and an older Mac lap top, worked ok for me. Maybe try watching on a lower res?
@@willbrink
It's clear that there are many people who cannot see your review. I am very anxious see it and wonder if you can repost it - possibly in a different format?
Cheers.
@@philipdavenport5246 Vid has 3k+ views, so the % of those having issues appears to be very low from what I can figure. Let me look at it on the back end and see if there's a setting I can change to improve if. If anyone has suggestions on that, feel free to add them here. I'm no YT tech expert. My rec this: It was recorded in 1080p, and set to run at that HD setting. I think it just chokes some people's line, or phone. etc. Try setting your viewing to lowest res, 480p, and see if that fixes it.
Quando se vai fazer um comparativo entre colunas, neste caso 2 modelos da mesma marca, eu gosto de ouvir o que está a ser comparado e fazer a minha propria análise. Não estou interessado no que o individuo pensa ainda que eventualmente possa saber muito do assunto em questão. Acho um piadão a estes citicos de amplificadores, leitores de cd colunas etc, falam, falam até irritam mas deixar ouvir o que estão a fazer a critica, bem podes esperar sentado. Sinceramente não sei se hei-de criticar a marca se o critico.
Without sound demonstration, is a big mistake.
Sound demo on a vid has not bearing on what the system sounds like and is generally a waste of time.
@@willbrink It depends on the system we have connected to the receiving computer, the quality of the microphone for recording, its positioning and the receiver's ear.
Managed to listen for 10 seconds. Please play some samples so we can hear by ourself. Just talking is meaningless. It needs to be complemented by samples of music.
You can't hear for yourself over YT. Makes no sense to me why people play samples of music as far as speaker reviews are concerned. Just talking is the only aspect that makes any sense in such a review, unless you're also posting objective measurements and I don't own the equipment for that.
@@willbrink I do not agree at all. It's very easy to hear the quality of a loudspeaker over RUclips.
Specially when the listener have a lot of experience and design loudspeakers by them selves. The only channel I really enjoy is Jay's audio labs. Very good...
@@flex-cx9bi Note the two reviewers I recommended who did review of the 11s and the 19s separately play no music in their reviews. Why? It's a complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I'd never judge the sound of a speaker, good bad, via a YT vid as it has no legit reflection of how that speaker sounds, unless perhaps one used expensive mics and recording gear, used lossless format, and the listener (you) did so over high quality headphones, and even then, it's not accurate and a waste of time. You will hear no differences between those speakers over some YT vid.
@@flex-cx9bi I've listened to a lot of speakers both professionally designed and amateur efforts. I've designed three for my own pleasure, eq'd, tweaked and adjusted to my room etc etc etc. On my old channel, I've even posted, with the help of a techy cousin', an attempt at capturing the in room sound. In the end, he mic'ed each speaker from distances that did not correspond to the listening position to get closest to the in-room sound and even then... I can say for myself, that no, you can't hear over YT. The room just has too much effect plus the mic and recording equipment and method add a lot. Just the mic placement is already a decision, on top, the mic response is not the same as ear perception in the room. The YT compression adds its own distractions. At the level of accuracy in speakers like these, best to listen live in the room you're considering them in. Try it. Move your positioning around your room and hear. IMO, if it's over YT, it has to be mic'ed in an anechoic chamber to hear the actual differences of the speakers rather than each speakers interaction with the room.
They won’t even sound the same between a dealer and home demo,so how are you gonna judge by a lo-fi RUclips video. Ridiculous.