Just a heads-up: I avoided _used_ graphics cards in this discussion. Just a bit too much to digest in a single 10-minute video. We have dedicated uploads discussing my top picks in the used market. The GTX 1080 is a great value at around $300, the GTX 1070 is great at around $200, and the RX 580/570 is good for $100 or less, IMO. Recap vids coming on those soon. Happy hunting!
im considering the 2070 super. but im waiting for the price to go down maybe. i already havea 1070 ti and the super isnt enough of an upgrade to warrant the price. im thinking by the time the price goes down the 30 series will be here or amd might have something better than the 5700xt. so ill probalby just wait and see what the next cards bring from both makers. not buying the 20 series also is sending a message to nvidia and maybe they are listening
@@OlettaLiano I buy most of my PC parts used. Money goes further, and I've never had an issue. Parts like HDD's/SSD/s, PSU's, cables and other small items, I purchase new.
Science Studio I bought one sapphire Vega 64 for 320$. Is it a good price? Also what is the price I should really pay for Vega 64. It is a triple fan 2 8pin card.
Matt Christie I just recently sell my pc and bought some used part too for my new build. I’ve gone with a used Vega 64 for 320$ (not sure if it is worth it but it’s a triple fan card) and a used 3000mhz 16gb gskill ripjaw for 60$. As for the case I bought refurbished. Other remaining part are new such as ryzen 2600 for 120$ and 1tb nvme for 90$. The psu maybe 750w bronze for 80$. Still not sure the gpu is a good buy or not since ebay have similar price
Leon de Blaauw This. Almost everything here is 20-30% more expensive and it is pissing me off Edit: Saying that, we might have the most expensive Euro tradeoff in terms of price. 500 usd is 440 ish Eur. Aka you pay 550 eur instead
I think it's also important to mention that the 2070S seems to have a pretty good amount of overclocking headroom and with at least 100Mhz on the core and over 900 on the memory you can get the 2070S within a few percentage points of the 2080S.
for cpu i don't think you can beat amd for ryzen you can argue in pure gaming but for all around workload and gaming can't beat rzyen ! about the GPU yeah there is a competition i m still between 5700XT and the 2070S ! still waiting for the AIB versions also in europe prices are different which make all these discussions about value doesn't work here ! in some country the amd gpu prices are higher then nvidia in other nvidia is wayyyyyyy more expensive then amd so it depends like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff if you look back with amd gpu you see overyears their gpu gets cheaper and better with more updates while nvidia doesn't even get cheaper and worse performance which is still perform better then amd and some features like tracing you still need to consider for gpus 2070 and above! fu ck it i m gona wait till blackfriday until everything is stable for pricing and drivers are more mature ! no more new launchs
i just bought a 2070 super, that white gigabyte card to be precise, and personally i have no regrets. with the two free games included, it cost just $450, so to get close to the stock performance of a 2080 at that price is pretty awesome to me. as always though i'm definitely rooting for amd to continue to put serious pressure on nvidia. if they keep it up like they have been who knows, maybe next time i buy a graphics card it'll be from team red.
Ummm. You do know that the 5700xt is only slower by 5%, but cost 25% less right? Even AIBs like the pulse models costs $410. That is competition. It also means the 5700xt is within 10% of the 2080, and 75% less.
@@TakeshiInazuma yes, and i'm glad amd is putting pressure on nvidia like they have been. however like i said, with the free games that came included i essentially paid only $450 for my card. that puts it at 10% above the cost of a reference 5700 xt, which is more than worth it for the quieter and more effective cooling alone. on top of that, i'm also a bit of an aesthetics perfectionist, and i love the way the white gigabyte card looks. and, as someone who values pretty graphics VERY highly, i have no problem paying an extra $50 to get access to ray tracing. it's cool tech, and i look forward to playing more games that support it. there's more than one reason why somebody would make the choice i did, believe it or not. raw frames-per-dollar value isn't the only consideration.
@@aperson9847 I understand, but there's a lot of holes in your arguments as well. The free games argument, Control is up in the air, but from the reviews I've seen of Young blood, it's has a lot of problems(not technically, but story, game play, and dialogue-wise), You can hold some value with it, but many probably wouldn't consider it worth much. ...but cool. AMD give three months of Gamepass(which is inconsistent). That could be worth $3 - $45 depending, on version or sale(GP on PC is $5, so that would be $15 saves, or GP Ultimate is $15, which make it $45 saved. They always have sales for $1 all the time though.). Again also it's if you think these 100 "so-called" games are even worth it. The 5700XT was said by many to be hot and loud, but there are channels talking about keeping the XT quiet, also as I said, AIB models also cost a small premium in comparison of the reference, and still comes close to the 2070S's performance. Also to clarify 450 to 400, is 12.5%, not 10. Aesthetics, like COLOR and SIZE is one arguments I can definitely agree with you on. Everyone want to get the card that match the rest of their case. Mine is all black with red, so the white would clash heavy. The Raytracing argument is flimsy, as yes, right now, Nvidia is the only consumer cards using Raytracing at the moment. especially on a hardware level. AMD may come with their own Raytracing technology, as both console manufacturers mentioned it in regards to their consoles' capabilities. which is cool. RTX as it stands, is nice to look at, but your Frames suffers, though it has gotten better since launch. There are also AMD technology, people may want to invest in as well. Maybe the Anti-lag, or the image sharpening feature. From what I hear it works worlds better than DLSS. While you are correct that there is buyer's justification, IMO besides design, 5700XT is still hold lots of value, for similar performance for ~$100+ less. Either way enjoy your purchase regardless. The 2070s will last you a good while.
I managed to snipe a 2070S off a guy in Kijiji here in Canada for $250CAD. (It's 2023 for reference) and the thing was still in the box and never used so I'm happy as hell about it. And in return my girlfriend is getting my 1660S so I still this as a 100% win for everyone involved.
honestly radeon needs to get there naming straight we got vega 56, radeon 5700, rx580 wtf way to confuse the consumer. we laughed at 1660 but i think this is more of an issue.
I got an RTX 2060 for $280 from NewEgg a few days after the Prime Day sales. I thought I had missed out, but they put it back up for that price. Hard to beat at that price!
I love this thing. One of the videos that swayed me towards the 2070s. It has more performance and stability than the 5700xt. I dont trust AMD's GPU's yet, after the radeon VII and the launch performance of the new XT's. They run hotter and do not have ray tracing(not a deal breaker). I dont mind paying the extra 100$ for my gaming oc3 over the 5700xt. They are better now but maybe next time.
@@Ryn0_333 It crashes constantly, black screens or I hear a loud noise and my computer restarts. All this in a time where getting a new gpu is next to impossoble.
I bought the ASUS ROG RTX 2070 Super a few weeks ago, super stellar card compared, and considerable less money than the 2080 versions. This was an upgrade from a ASUS GTX 980 Matrix so of course it blew me away with the substantial jump and ray tracing. Modern Warfare at max setting runs smooth as butter.
@dale Bennett I'm in the same boat but I have the MSI Gaming Z 2060. Tbh it's not worth it for me, I overclocked the card and still get very good 1440p performance and it would only be a side grade at this point. I'm definitely upgrading to an i7 9700k and dropping another 16gb RAM kit in my rig, though. I'll wait on the 30XX cards for a video card upgrade.
@@dannymiester5825 I believe I won't be, but to get one is really hard. About CPU, being honest I struggle between the one you have and AMD Ryzen 5 5600x, i heard that AMD one is better for gaming - what do you think ? Sorry but I'm building my first PC and I'm newbie :C before was only using Gaming laptops
@@danielz.8447 I've been happy with the 10600k, but from what I have read I think the 5600x is better for gaming. However the socket 1200 z490 or z590 motherboard will support the intel 1100 series processors aswell. I have a 11900k on pre order. I only use my pc for flightsim, the 11900k has an amazing single core performance apparently so I'm looking forward to trying it out.
@@dannymiester5825 I hope everything will go smoothly for you. Thank you for putting some light on my qualifications... I don't entirely understand the " however the socket... As well" but still you've been helpful. I will in that case keep looking for a Motherboard but will go for RTX 2070s and AMD Ryzen 5 5600x. There's yet matter of RAM, but it's not as hard to find one I guess.
I'm building my first desktop, second if you count my wife's. I ended up getting the 2070s in this video for 529 yesterday mostly for the out of the box performance and the ability to dabble in rtx how ever little the support is. It was a really hard choice between the 2070s and 5700xt and Im glad it was difficult. This means I had so many options at my fingertips that offered everything I wanted. When I upgrade in a few years I'm sure AMD will be in a much better place if this release has any resemblance to the future. I did pick up a 3600 though, Intel is just acting crazy now. Keep up the great videos I always love to hear your opinion and your videos are my main research cause I know you tell us how it is and let us make up our minds.
Another important point to mention is that the 2070 super has sli support, something not previously supported at the 499 price point. The scaling you get for the nvlink sli cards is somewhere around 70-80%. In games that support SLI, that puts two of these well ahead of the 2080ti in some cases.
Unless the 2070 Super becomes a similar price to the 2070 in Australia, think the 5700XT is the way to go. Even if the Sapphire Pulse is $100 more than reference, that's still close to $200 cheaper than the cheapest 2070 Super model you can get here
Which isn’t likely I reckon for some time - the 2070S has launched where the 2070 did, which shows in a fashion how far those prices have slid down over their time on sale, but it took its sweet time, the 2070 isn’t gone yet and the 2060S has launched up around 2070 pricing which will surely prevent 2070S prices sliding down that much over time. But yeah, at about A$900 versus $650-700 in most cases the 5700XT looks to have the mid to high end segment beat for price to performance
@@gamesmaster1060 sure, but not $300 better. Can get a 5700 XT for $599 AUD. A 2070 Super is $899 Another edit I guess: I know the NVIDIA cards have Tensor and RT Cores, but honestly, by the time that stuff is widely used, the cards are gonna be outdated. So the argument for them being that much more just for that tech that's hardly used for games isn't as great as I know some like to think
LividOrchid I got a reference 5700 xt a few days after launch and the latest driver isn’t causing me any issues. Played a number of days just fine. However when I opened global wattman that’s when issues occurred. I reinstall new drivers and use msi afterburner and getting around 9400 in time spy with a 2700x and no issues with any games I’ve played.
LividOrchid sorry to hear. Are you overclocking the memory? That’s really the only time I experience crashes.now, this was my first amd card and I’m pleased. I also have a 2080 ti in another build and I’ll say in terms of driver experience both nvidia and AMD have been the same for be. I do experience more crashes with my 2080 ti in time spy but that could be from the overclocks. You could simply have a defective card.
@@fabledorchid8410 Ever thought you got a defective card? Also from June 1st Nvidia has released 4 driver updates (two of which are hotfixes) while AMD has released 9 full releases. They are working their asses off to improve the drivers so a wait of several months as you suggested I think is not necessary.
@@Transformania Why cant AMD cards work at release? It's as if AMD is using you guys as beta testers for their broken drivers. The irony is that you shitheads have the nerve to call anyone with a rtx card a beta tester yet you're fine with AMD using you guys as beta testers 😂
@@WitchYuki22 You do know drivers are meant to improve the way a gpu works right? They worked from day one, not perfectly, but they worked, and have been improving and will continue to improve. Meanwhile, you STILL have only three games with partial implementation of RTX which STILL butchers your fps, and not only that, you still payed premium for tensor cores which work like shite in DLSS. Meanwhile, Image Sharpening works from day one and better than DLSS and input lag also works from day 1 which btw is backwards compatible. So... yeah... RTX is not a thing now, will not be in the near future, and when it is I will make the jump for sure, to whoever does it right.
The price differential between the RTX Cards, the aftermarket 5700XT and the 5700XT REFERENCE is quite large here in Germany. You can get a Reference 5700 XT for 389€, the aftermarket models start at 425€ (cheap aftermarket), the RTX 2070 starts at 446€ (cheap aftermarket), the 2070 Super starts at 509€ (affordable aftermarket). So if you take a aftermarket cooler (they usually remain compatible for long, so can be reused on newer GPUs) for 50€ you'll get a GPU comparable to the 509€ RTX 2070S for 86% (have to buy an aftermarket cooler) - 76% (had aftermarket cooler) of the price.
Picked up a used RTX 2080 on eBay for $485 a few weeks ago after the 2080 Super launched. I had been waiting for the 2080 Super, but it's not worth the money when it's only 5-8% more performance over the regular 2080.
I bought a strix OC 2070 super, no regrets at all - the thing is a beast. Was cheaper than any standard 2080 where I live and I needed ray tracing for work reasons, so a no brainer.
Well for me it's the reference cards which make more sense. Aib 5700xt cards here are not a lot less than 2070s and I'd rather buy the better performing 2070s than paying for an overpriced aib card. Or I'm fine with paying less for the reference cards because I can live with the blower fans...
Just watched Gamers Nexus video on the Sapphire 5700XT Pulse. Card had a pretty good dual fan cooler and looked pretty cool for only $10 more than reference. As for upcoming AMD cards, I read a Tech Radar article about Navi 21 and 23 coming out next year. I'd assume that would be something like a 5800 and 5800XT? It'll be pretty interesting going forward. I'm always excited for new tech and PC hardware!
Nope, RX 5800 XT will be "Navi 12" and likely dropping this year (along with the 24CU [vs 40 in Navi 10] Polaris 10/20 replacement, "Navi 16"; which'll show up as the "RX 5600" series). Navi 21 & 23 will be based on the next-generation RDNA 2 architecture (and thus w/ HW accelerated ray-tracing) and are most likely to be branded as the "RX 6000" series (likely as the "RX 6800" & "RX 6900" ranges if I were to guess).
Just built mine yesterday. 207p super, i9 9900k liquid cooled. Thing runs like a dream. Even under high stress temps stay good. But I've got a big ass cyber power case. With good air flow and 4 fans
the 2070S gigabyte gaming OC is $550 a full $150 more than the 5700xt. 5700xt custom cards are out now for $410-$450. similar performance for $100 less.
@@yoool7137 Amd's implementation of ray tracing will probably be software based no need for RT cores and shit like that, it could come to this years navi cards. Also right now ray tracing sucks a fat dick and cuts your fps in half.
any AIB 5700 XT sells for about 440 quid, and the cheapest AIB 2070 Super sells for 490 quid. Tell me where I can find any AIB 5700 xt 200 quid cheaper than any AIB 5700 xt and I will go and buy it straight away mate.
@@amaurytoloza1511 LOL cheapest 2070 ive seen is 550 and that was sold out. you can pick up the 5700xt from 400ish quid so yeah around 200ish cheaper .
@@thatbritishgamer I am a GPU away of building a SFF. I've seen the 2070 super selling for 490 quid, and the AIB 5700 xt (pulse and evoke) for 440 quid. The model reviewed here at 460 at overclockersuk. That's a 50 quid difference. I wish it was a 200 difference tho.
I wish tech youtubers spoke about issues that actually matter, like how amd refuses to actually stock the 3900x ir hiw motherboard venders refuse to put 90 degree usb headers even in their $300 boards.
Hey Salazar, Love your channel. Been following it since 2016. I appreciate this review in particular as I'm about to purchase a new gaming rig after 6 years (2013). Since then, I've done upgrades to my hard drive, added memory, and updated my video card to a rx470 in 2016. I was stuck with an AM3+ motherboard and fx 4300 processor for those 6 years. Reliable workhorse to be sure. I'm looking to get a 2060 Super or 2070 and your review only adds to my knowledge as making a gaming pc purchase of $1100 is not only a financial decision, but an emotional one as well. Take care.
Unfortunately Sapphire has the WORST customer service I've ever seen. Brand new GPU has a problem out of the box? Too bad, we won't fix it. We'll just ship you a random refurbished one of some unknown age. Should have bought a refurb from the start, dumb customer! Oh, and you can wait 6-8 weeks for the privilege.
@@nichohells the best combo most would say as of now is an AMD cpu mixed with a nvidia GPU. Atm it seems all AMD builds and an all Intel nvidia build arent worth it if you're editing / rendering etc.
The RTX 2070 Super will be the most successful RTX 20 series GPU. Mark my words. it Performs as a 1080Ti for $500, great 1440p card, stable drivers, ray tracing, NVEnc and NVLink SLI supports. And 2x 2070s Super NVLinked perform better than a single 2080Ti for cheaper (while CrossFire isn't available on RX 5700 series GPUs).
orangezombies multi-GPU in DX12/Vulkan is harder for developers to implement and won't be comon place before a very long time and currently there are only two games that support it, Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in DX12 and Quake 2 RTX in Vulkan. And I can't find any benchmarks available that confirm that RX 5700s can crossfire in those games. But my 2 RTX 2080s Super NVLinked do scale in those games and SLI + ray tracing work and scale as well.
2070s is a stupid card and the 5700xt is gonna blow it off the water, also ray tracing as a feature? I would consider a gimmick AT MOST, plus amd's sharpening and anti lag features are incredible without hitting performance
lucky you, in the UK the pricing situation is a bit different for AIB versions. The pulse sells for 450 pounds, and the cheapest AIB 2070 SUPER sells for 490.
9:34 There is a good reason as to why I’ll always be buying a Nvidia graphics card, it’s because i have a G Sync monitor. If my monitor dies in the future then i can decide between the Red and Green team. It’s not like we as a consumer are in a relationship with either Nvidia or AMD. I need to deal with what I have. So maybe i am in a relationship??? Till death do us apart i suppose 😂
I actually got a RTX 2060 for $309 from newegg a couple weeks ago with the wolf and control games. I was looking into the 5700 but that price coupled with the fact i was building a itx pc made that decision pretty easy for me. 5700 thermals would have probably been a problem for me in the node 202 case. Plus the games were icing on the cake, I have been really happy with the performance i got for $300.
meRyanP have you had any problems with it? Would you recommend? I’m on the fence about getting it, I’m building my first pc so I’m still learning, and all this talk is confusing me
I brought a used 2070 S Gaming X for £420 yesterday, I think that's alright! I mean I seen a few auctions on ebay that were won for as low as £350 but I think it's aight
Evan Merklin overkill? It wont even reach 144fps with 1440p in most AAA titles with ultra settings. And then there is also 165hz 1440p displays so... not overkill at all
It's crazy to pay nearly 300 bucks for a renamed GTX 2050 Ti, it is nothing more than that tbh. Hopefully Navi 5600 XT makes them obsolete like the 2060 (Super).
The most interesting thing to me about the 2080S (which is why I’m getting it) is the underclocked but still faster memory compared to the 2070S. This should give me more headroom when overclocking the card, since memory speed on these rtx cards seem to be fairly important on the performance aspect of things. Given, the 2070S is still a great offer with the current TU104 chip.
DrearierSpider1 the thing is, a 2nd hand 1080ti will cost me the same as a rtx2080s over here at the time of writing, and I can’t be bothered to wait for a great deal on the card while I won’t know in which state it will be in. As for the resolution side of things, I’ll be using a 1440p 144Hz monitor, in which case the extra memory speed would help me a bit. I do agree on the point that if you can get a good price on a 1080ti that you should absolutely go for it (unless it’s absolutely busted of course), it’s part of my laziness to wait for a good deal and my fear of 2nd hand tech failing that I won’t go for it.
@@DrearierSpider1 The 1080 ti is 10% slower than the normal 2080, and thereby nearly 20% slower than the 2080 super. $400 is also a rare used price for a 1080 ti because there is some misconception that it is exactly on par with the 2080 in performance (which it is not) and the demand is insanely high. Most people are still selling them for $520 or higher on r/hardwareswap.
@@DrearierSpider1 ruclips.net/video/mlYkZ3FW1M0/видео.html The 1080 ti's performance is comparable to that of the 2070 Super, at which point it's a no brainer. 8 GB of vram is plenty unless you game at 4k, but neither card can yield playable frame rates at that resolution so it's out of the question.
@@DrearierSpider1 how about a $450 ftw3 1080ti vs $450 red devil 5700xt? Which one would you go for? The 1080ti doesnt have a warranty though so I'm fucked if it's a lemon
Nothing offensive intended for any reviewers like Greg here, but saying that it should be refined at start is a slightly unfair in my opinion. Everyone holds AMD as the budget king who releases great products, but it takes months, sometimes a year to fix the bugs in their cards whereas most driver problems for NVIDIA are fixed. It’s a double standard no one notices yet constantly complains about in the reverse that it’s frustrating no one notices. You say RTX will be useless and gone or improved when it comes out so much that they will suck bad anyways? So will the RX 5700 by the time they get the drivers in order. I’ll say it here and I’ll keep saying it, NVIDIA for Firm/Software and AMD for Hardware.
But you don't have to pay to update software, whereas you do need to drop cash (or more likely you wont but you'll feel like you wasted your money) in order to upgrade to the refined model. People don't give shit to AMD for buggy, unrefined software because it can be patched. When Nvidia comes out with a more optimal lineup of existing cards less than a year later after people already spent hundreds of dollars on what they thought was gonna be a big upgrade, it feels like a slap in the face when they could've had better if they just waited 6 months. That shit sucks.
I have no idea what card to get I want to upgrade to 1440p so I was looking at the 5700 XT but I have had nothing but trouble with AMD cards in the past so I don't want to go that route this time. So I have narrowed it down to either the 2060 Super the regular 2070 or the 2070 Super the only problem is they are all $20 apart so it wouldn't make sense to get the 2070 when I could get the Super model for $20 more. The only problem with the 2070 Super is it's an AIB base model versus the 2070 which is the EVGA XC Ultra same with the 2060 Super it's an XC Ultra as well but again for $20 I could get the 2070 what card should I get.
I just built a new rig this year with the 5700xt. From day one I had nonstop crashing issues and the thing does run really hot. I had the powercolor Red Devil. Researching the issue it looks like AMD still hasn't fixed the driver, despite complaints dating back to October. Returning it for a Gigabyte 2070 Super for $60 more.
@@abdulaziz-my2dr i have money... but the difference between these 2 video cards in my country is only 140$... + I have ASUS VG279Q because I dont like Tn matrics. My monitor is perfect for photoshop and gaming.
i got a very similar build like yours.. i went with 2070s over 5700xt just because i play mostly path of exile and they don't have a very good history with radeon.. if theres more 5700xt other than the reference i think it will beat 2070s in terms of value and on paper.. but i personally think that the nvidia architecture is still superio than radeon at the time of this writting.. thanks have a good day..
@@CarbonPanther I haven't tested it myself but I think the RX Vega 56 should be faster in most games and has 2GB more VRAM. Looks like a better deal to me than the current GTX lineup.
unfortunately my GTX 1080 died last week, which was stilll perfect for 1440P gaming on high refresh rate, so i went and bought the RTX 2070 which is slightly faster for 500 euros the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING OC WHITE pretty happy with it, fast enough for my 3440x1440 gaming
Hi, i have a question. If i upgrading to rtx 2070 super, should i also upgrade the psu? Currently my rigs are: i5 9400f, gtx 1660ti, msi b360 gaming artic, PSU be quiet! pure power 11 500w 80+ gold. Thanks in advance.
Ikr why is it difficult to say a card that cost significantly less that performs within 10% In fact it's more like 5% while still being cheaper, he had to go in circles of 10 minutes to say I like Nvidia. Plus I hate how he only compares MSRP because when I go on Amazon or other sites here in the UK a 2070S actually costs more than $680+ converted from pounds, that's ridiculous seeing the rx5700xt AIB cost like $450-70
I dunno the AMD RX5700XT and the new partner cards for 10-20 dollars more trades blows with the 2070 (super) and cost less. The partner cards run cooler so why endorse NVidia now?
There is one simple reason why he is endorsing Nvidia in this video. He bashes AMD for not offering a high-end competitor after almost nonchalantly brushing aside the 5700XT. He gives the classic "it runs hot and loud" moniker for the 5700XT reference model and then fails to cover the AIB models coming out soon or out now. These are Nvidia influencer talking points and Greg covered them in this video. I heard rumors about a month ago that Greg had taken the bait, and it seems there were more to these rumors than I originally thought.
Where I live the rx5700xt is $450 and the 2070S is $550 and the 2070S runs with 10-20 more frames, runs way cooler and way quitter so I think the 2070S more worth it
@@Blizryn Have you noticed the state of AMDs drivers right now? Lmao It's a fucking mess. Some people are actually going back to previous drivers. It's ironic since AMD fanboys always brag about how AMD makes their GPUs better with drivers 😂
@@Blizryn well, I was thinking about getting rx 5700 xt strix. But I want to have a better overall gaming performance and a card which doesn't turn my case into an oven. I pair 3700x with 2070S because I think it's the sweet spot for me.
@@WitchYuki22 Yeah, it's a mess but at least it's getting fixed, drivers dont stay forever and problems get fixed, If I recall the colour mess was windows related also?
@@tonyy.8852 I mean I like your idea but 1 thing I wanna point out is when I said Sapphire 5700 XT I meant the AIB model, not the blower style cooler reference model, check Gamers Nexus review at least before you buy, you'd be surprised with the AIB cards thermal results and noise levels.
I think I heard you say something about 1660ti being the best value? My opinion would be the vega 56, since it's $250-$300 so pretty much the same price as a 1660ti, but far faster.
Lol the 2060S looks like a terrible value for $400+ compared to the XT :) Ray tracing’s time is coming, just not now. Ray tracing enters the mainstream next year with the next-gen consoles powered by RDNA 2.0
@@NovaDoll Tbh because it takes such a big performance hit. People are just not going to be using it. I prefer 144 fps on a 144hz monitor without ray tracing instead of a game looking a bit better but my fps is lower.
i got one for 530 cad/ ~$402 USD (and no sales tax or shipping), maybe not the best choice with new cards around the corner but my 970 was on its last legs, was it a good deal?
There is no sens in recommending a RTX 2070 Super when you can have the same performance ( maybe 3%-5% less ) at 25% less price with a RX 5700XT. Then there is the similar story with the RX 5700 VS 2060 Super & 1660. Just go AMD and get the same performance, using the extra cash for a better CPU or more RAM.
Dude , I was playing metro exodus yesterday on my rtx 2070 super with rtx set to high and everything maxed out at 1080p , game looks amazing with rtx enabled and I got around 70-110 fps , why you guys forget the extra features rtx cards comes with ?
@@Epicstar25002 I just bought the gaming oc 2070 super for 540 euro's and I love it. But you should just get what you want to get. If you want a cheaper option which (with the better cooling solutions) would only lose you a couple of fps while saving you 100$ then its fine. I just couldn't wait anymore so I went with Nvidia.
i miss the end end of 2000s and the early 2010s when it comes to gpu, pricing and competition. my bet is that 3080 cards will be 900 $ card and will only drop to 800 after a year
@v KEITH v You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop spreading information on RUclips comments and the like. You're not educated enough on the subject. Thanks.
@@CarbonPanther You missed the context my friend. I did a lot of research before i bought this card, i used to have a rx480, i was thinking about buying a 1080, i saved the money for it, but in my country the 1080 was very close to the price of the 2070, so i am really happy to get a 2070 super that is a 2080 (more of less) for less than it was first announced. So yeah, i am pretty happy, sorry if that displeases you.
@@duramirez a 2070s isn't a 2080 (more or less) 2070s never performs more than a 2080. and calling a 2070 supera 2080 is like calling a 2080 a 2080super. Actually the 2080 gets 10-15fps more than 2070s on games vs the 2080s getting 5-7fps more than the 2080. 2080 is better than a 2070s 10-15 fps in 4k is a ton. Not a small insignificant number like you make it out to be calling the 2070s basically a 2080 more or less, 45fps in 4k vs 60 is a massive difference so I would say the 2070s is noticably inferior to the 2080
@AmpEdition yeah ..better wait until we get better drivers . Guess it's the architecture tuning will take some time to mature . Better to go for nvidia at the moment , else GCN ..
I’m still pretty new to all of this and I have a question about FPS and monitor refresh rates. I’m a long time iMac user (about 15 years of nothing but Apple computers) and recently, I got a strong itch to build myself a gaming PC. I’m planning to put together a solid 1440p setup. If I were to buy a 2070 Super and I wanted to play at 1440p @ high/ultra settings, would it even make sense to buy a 144hz 1440p monitor? As I understand it, you aren’t able to see the benefits of 144hz unless you’re consistently achieving 144 FPS or higher. In the case of the 2070 Super, would it make more sense to go for a 100-120hz monitor since it looks like most AAA titles will run at around 80-100 FPS on high/ultra settings? I will probably buy a 144hz monitor anyway just to have some scalability, I’m really just asking to see if I’m correct in my understanding. Thanks
Go for the 144hz monitor, i got the acer 1440p 144hz IPS for £300 its brilliant. And you might not hit 144hz in all settings but you can drop those settings to game at 144hz , the option will be there! An you can over clock your gpu to gain fps.
Why NV can release a better 2070 at the same price now? Because AMD happened. Also, even now, the GPUs(from both NV and AMD) are still way too overpriced. The Perf/Dollar this gen is still not much better than last gen, at their msrp. That is insane....ly bad...
Nah apparently people love flexing their $1200 so much, we should just life with it, its so stupid, we never had to pay these prices before and now people act like its "normal" its "okay" cause the performance is sooo gud... Completely ignoring LAST GEN'S msrp...
Are you sure you're not confusing that with AMD's Compressonator? gpuopen.com/gaming-product/compressonator/ It's also not done 'using drivers', it's done intentionally by the developers... developer.nvidia.com/astc-texture-compression-for-game-assets
Can you advise me as to why my brand-new, right out of the box, evga rtx 2070 super has no graphics output? Fans work fine. I replaced a 1080ti triple-fan that stopped outputting graphics but the fans still worked. Is there something else that might cause it to act this way?
I did manage to score myself a PowerColour 5700XT Red Devil for £410 UK pounds, plus I got 3 months Xbox game pass & Ghost Recon Break Point as part of the offer, So not too bad of a deal, And so far I've downloaded about 8 games using the XGP with some big title games like Forza 4 Horizon, Gears 5, Rise of tomb Raider to mention a few, So yeah banging deal I thinks. And now Im looking to get a 2070 Super for my 2nd pc to replace the tired Strix RX480 that served me really well.
Just a heads-up: I avoided _used_ graphics cards in this discussion. Just a bit too much to digest in a single 10-minute video. We have dedicated uploads discussing my top picks in the used market. The GTX 1080 is a great value at around $300, the GTX 1070 is great at around $200, and the RX 580/570 is good for $100 or less, IMO. Recap vids coming on those soon. Happy hunting!
im considering the 2070 super. but im waiting for the price to go down maybe. i already havea 1070 ti and the super isnt enough of an upgrade to warrant the price. im thinking by the time the price goes down the 30 series will be here or amd might have something better than the 5700xt. so ill probalby just wait and see what the next cards bring from both makers. not buying the 20 series also is sending a message to nvidia and maybe they are listening
That's cool, I never buy used PC parts.
@@OlettaLiano I buy most of my PC parts used. Money goes further, and I've never had an issue. Parts like HDD's/SSD/s, PSU's, cables and other small items, I purchase new.
Science Studio I bought one sapphire Vega 64 for 320$. Is it a good price? Also what is the price I should really pay for Vega 64. It is a triple fan 2 8pin card.
Matt Christie I just recently sell my pc and bought some used part too for my new build. I’ve gone with a used Vega 64 for 320$ (not sure if it is worth it but it’s a triple fan card) and a used 3000mhz 16gb gskill ripjaw for 60$. As for the case I bought refurbished. Other remaining part are new such as ryzen 2600 for 120$ and 1tb nvme for 90$. The psu maybe 750w bronze for 80$. Still not sure the gpu is a good buy or not since ebay have similar price
Sometimes I can't believe the price I spent on my 2070S Gaming X, but then I look at it and all is forgotten lol!
Same here have the trio one😂
I spent 580 for a rtx 2070 s eva ultra
@TRESXRツ 32cm i think
Bruh I got my gaming x for 480
@@bucketlynx pprices have gone down recently thats why since the release of the 30 cards.
Interviewer: what inspired you to release the super?
Nvidia: money
And maybe a little bit more marketshare... xD
Suprise, NVIDIA is a business.
wouldn't expect a 14 year old to understand that's the purpose of their existence. They don't exist to cater to what you what. Lol. Dumb kid
what else
Nvidia AKA Mr Krabs
Greg says 'We need to talk'.
Anyone who has ever been in a relationship knows that it isn't going to be a good talk ;)
Thats not true lol
Marco weird flex
@@Joshua-fs9vm If you'd experienced it yourself, you'd know it aint a flex at all lmao.
My dick big
rtx 2070 super is olmost 200 euros more then the rx5700xt here in the netherlands
Wtf that blows!
Leon de Blaauw This.
Almost everything here is 20-30% more expensive and it is pissing me off
Edit:
Saying that, we might have the most expensive Euro tradeoff in terms of price. 500 usd is 440 ish Eur. Aka you pay 550 eur instead
It's basically the same deal in the US. The only gpus in stock are 550-600 USD at least, where the 5700xt is only 400
@@InsulinAdikt yea, not cool nvidia
@@Swat_Dennis import tax, and Vats welcome to the European Union
I think it's also important to mention that the 2070S seems to have a pretty good amount of overclocking headroom and with at least 100Mhz on the core and over 900 on the memory you can get the 2070S within a few percentage points of the 2080S.
Love the competition, it's actually really hard to definitively give a recommendation for both CPUs & GPUs this gen 😎
for cpu i don't think you can beat amd for ryzen you can argue in pure gaming but for all around workload and gaming can't beat rzyen !
about the GPU yeah there is a competition i m still between 5700XT and the 2070S ! still waiting for the AIB versions also in europe prices are different which make all these discussions about value doesn't work here ! in some country the amd gpu prices are higher then nvidia in other nvidia is wayyyyyyy more expensive then amd so it depends like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
if you look back with amd gpu you see overyears their gpu gets cheaper and better with more updates while nvidia doesn't even get cheaper and worse performance which is still perform better then amd and some features like tracing you still need to consider for gpus 2070 and above! fu ck it i m gona wait till blackfriday until everything is stable for pricing and drivers are more mature ! no more new launchs
i just bought a 2070 super, that white gigabyte card to be precise, and personally i have no regrets. with the two free games included, it cost just $450, so to get close to the stock performance of a 2080 at that price is pretty awesome to me.
as always though i'm definitely rooting for amd to continue to put serious pressure on nvidia. if they keep it up like they have been who knows, maybe next time i buy a graphics card it'll be from team red.
I've been thinking lately whether to go for this card (cuz it's white for my white themed build) or EVGA one since asus is so expensive
@@6omb7la well the card is gorgeous in my white meshify c, i can tell you that much
Ummm. You do know that the 5700xt is only slower by 5%, but cost 25% less right? Even AIBs like the pulse models costs $410. That is competition. It also means the 5700xt is within 10% of the 2080, and 75% less.
@@TakeshiInazuma yes, and i'm glad amd is putting pressure on nvidia like they have been. however like i said, with the free games that came included i essentially paid only $450 for my card. that puts it at 10% above the cost of a reference 5700 xt, which is more than worth it for the quieter and more effective cooling alone. on top of that, i'm also a bit of an aesthetics perfectionist, and i love the way the white gigabyte card looks. and, as someone who values pretty graphics VERY highly, i have no problem paying an extra $50 to get access to ray tracing. it's cool tech, and i look forward to playing more games that support it.
there's more than one reason why somebody would make the choice i did, believe it or not. raw frames-per-dollar value isn't the only consideration.
@@aperson9847 I understand, but there's a lot of holes in your arguments as well. The free games argument, Control is up in the air, but from the reviews I've seen of Young blood, it's has a lot of problems(not technically, but story, game play, and dialogue-wise), You can hold some value with it, but many probably wouldn't consider it worth much. ...but cool.
AMD give three months of Gamepass(which is inconsistent). That could be worth $3 - $45 depending, on version or sale(GP on PC is $5, so that would be $15 saves, or GP Ultimate is $15, which make it $45 saved. They always have sales for $1 all the time though.). Again also it's if you think these 100 "so-called" games are even worth it.
The 5700XT was said by many to be hot and loud, but there are channels talking about keeping the XT quiet, also as I said, AIB models also cost a small premium in comparison of the reference, and still comes close to the 2070S's performance. Also to clarify 450 to 400, is 12.5%, not 10.
Aesthetics, like COLOR and SIZE is one arguments I can definitely agree with you on. Everyone want to get the card that match the rest of their case. Mine is all black with red, so the white would clash heavy.
The Raytracing argument is flimsy, as yes, right now, Nvidia is the only consumer cards using Raytracing at the moment. especially on a hardware level. AMD may come with their own Raytracing technology, as both console manufacturers mentioned it in regards to their consoles' capabilities. which is cool. RTX as it stands, is nice to look at, but your Frames suffers, though it has gotten better since launch. There are also AMD technology, people may want to invest in as well. Maybe the Anti-lag, or the image sharpening feature. From what I hear it works worlds better than DLSS.
While you are correct that there is buyer's justification, IMO besides design, 5700XT is still hold lots of value, for similar performance for ~$100+ less. Either way enjoy your purchase regardless. The 2070s will last you a good while.
I think something is off with the audio in this video, gonna watch past videos as a sanity check.
I managed to snipe a 2070S off a guy in Kijiji here in Canada for $250CAD. (It's 2023 for reference) and the thing was still in the box and never used so I'm happy as hell about it. And in return my girlfriend is getting my 1660S so I still this as a 100% win for everyone involved.
honestly radeon needs to get there naming straight we got vega 56, radeon 5700, rx580 wtf way to confuse the consumer. we laughed at 1660 but i think this is more of an issue.
I got an RTX 2060 for $280 from NewEgg a few days after the Prime Day sales. I thought I had missed out, but they put it back up for that price. Hard to beat at that price!
I love this thing. One of the videos that swayed me towards the 2070s. It has more performance and stability than the 5700xt. I dont trust AMD's GPU's yet, after the radeon VII and the launch performance of the new XT's. They run hotter and do not have ray tracing(not a deal breaker). I dont mind paying the extra 100$ for my gaming oc3 over the 5700xt. They are better now but maybe next time.
Idk I just think that nvidia is easier to overclock and download drivers. Also I like dlss
You made the right choice, I got a 5700xt and regret it everyday.
@@anilater_9047 Yeah, my 2070s overclocked really well.
@@shiningdragon8737 I'm sorry to hear that, what's wrong with it?
@@Ryn0_333 It crashes constantly, black screens or I hear a loud noise and my computer restarts. All this in a time where getting a new gpu is next to impossoble.
I would’ve gone with the rx5700xt, but geforce update their drivers quite often and I can see the rtx 2070 super getting better every month or so.
isn't the 2070 super better though?
Jack K not by very much, well not enough to justify the price difference honestly.
@@uthmansharif I think it is here
In my country red devil rx 5700xt cost 590usd and Galax rtx 2070super cost 590usd
I bought the ASUS ROG RTX 2070 Super a few weeks ago, super stellar card compared, and considerable less money than the 2080 versions. This was an upgrade from a ASUS GTX 980 Matrix so of course it blew me away with the substantial jump and ray tracing. Modern Warfare at max setting runs smooth as butter.
@@thedood7930 except ray tracing which is the extra cost factor that's non existent.
An Asus ROG card that costs less than the next model? Huh weird.
Is a 2070 as good as my vega 11 graphics?
Reach 1440p 60fps?
@dale Bennett I'm in the same boat but I have the MSI Gaming Z 2060. Tbh it's not worth it for me, I overclocked the card and still get very good 1440p performance and it would only be a side grade at this point. I'm definitely upgrading to an i7 9700k and dropping another 16gb RAM kit in my rig, though. I'll wait on the 30XX cards for a video card upgrade.
I'm so glad I bought my 2070 super, it kicks arse
Im about to buy one too, what cpu you using ?
@@danielz.8447 i was using a 10600k @ 5ghz, Im now running a rtx 3070. But the 2070s was a good card, you won't be dissapointed.
@@dannymiester5825 I believe I won't be, but to get one is really hard. About CPU, being honest I struggle between the one you have and AMD Ryzen 5 5600x, i heard that AMD one is better for gaming - what do you think ? Sorry but I'm building my first PC and I'm newbie :C before was only using Gaming laptops
@@danielz.8447 I've been happy with the 10600k, but from what I have read I think the 5600x is better for gaming. However the socket 1200 z490 or z590 motherboard will support the intel 1100 series processors aswell. I have a 11900k on pre order. I only use my pc for flightsim, the 11900k has an amazing single core performance apparently so I'm looking forward to trying it out.
@@dannymiester5825 I hope everything will go smoothly for you. Thank you for putting some light on my qualifications... I don't entirely understand the " however the socket... As well" but still you've been helpful. I will in that case keep looking for a Motherboard but will go for RTX 2070s and AMD Ryzen 5 5600x. There's yet matter of RAM, but it's not as hard to find one I guess.
I'm building my first desktop, second if you count my wife's. I ended up getting the 2070s in this video for 529 yesterday mostly for the out of the box performance and the ability to dabble in rtx how ever little the support is. It was a really hard choice between the 2070s and 5700xt and Im glad it was difficult. This means I had so many options at my fingertips that offered everything I wanted. When I upgrade in a few years I'm sure AMD will be in a much better place if this release has any resemblance to the future. I did pick up a 3600 though, Intel is just acting crazy now. Keep up the great videos I always love to hear your opinion and your videos are my main research cause I know you tell us how it is and let us make up our minds.
Another important point to mention is that the 2070 super has sli support, something not previously supported at the 499 price point. The scaling you get for the nvlink sli cards is somewhere around 70-80%. In games that support SLI, that puts two of these well ahead of the 2080ti in some cases.
Yes 2x 2070s Super are well ahead of a single 2080 Ti for CHEAPER. I know what you're talking about as I have 2 RTX 2080s Super NVLinked.
Unless the 2070 Super becomes a similar price to the 2070 in Australia, think the 5700XT is the way to go. Even if the Sapphire Pulse is $100 more than reference, that's still close to $200 cheaper than the cheapest 2070 Super model you can get here
Which isn’t likely I reckon for some time - the 2070S has launched where the 2070 did, which shows in a fashion how far those prices have slid down over their time on sale, but it took its sweet time, the 2070 isn’t gone yet and the 2060S has launched up around 2070 pricing which will surely prevent 2070S prices sliding down that much over time. But yeah, at about A$900 versus $650-700 in most cases the 5700XT looks to have the mid to high end segment beat for price to performance
@@albino_gringo1912 may be out but just checked, it's $800 in Australia plus it's out of stock
the 2070 super is better
@@gamesmaster1060 sure, but not $300 better. Can get a 5700 XT for $599 AUD. A 2070 Super is $899
Another edit I guess: I know the NVIDIA cards have Tensor and RT Cores, but honestly, by the time that stuff is widely used, the cards are gonna be outdated. So the argument for them being that much more just for that tech that's hardly used for games isn't as great as I know some like to think
@@nathansstuff1547 Well here the 2070 super is £490 and the 5700xt is 400 or more so yeah
Audio is very tinny with a lot of reverb. Other than that I enjoyed the video and it was informative with nicely done graphs.
For 1440p and 5700 XT: 85% resolution + Image Sharpening = Profit.
LividOrchid I got a reference 5700 xt a few days after launch and the latest driver isn’t causing me any issues. Played a number of days just fine. However when I opened global wattman that’s when issues occurred. I reinstall new drivers and use msi afterburner and getting around 9400 in time spy with a 2700x and no issues with any games I’ve played.
LividOrchid sorry to hear. Are you overclocking the memory? That’s really the only time I experience crashes.now, this was my first amd card and I’m pleased. I also have a 2080 ti in another build and I’ll say in terms of driver experience both nvidia and AMD have been the same for be. I do experience more crashes with my 2080 ti in time spy but that could be from the overclocks. You could simply have a defective card.
@@fabledorchid8410 Ever thought you got a defective card? Also from June 1st Nvidia has released 4 driver updates (two of which are hotfixes) while AMD has released 9 full releases. They are working their asses off to improve the drivers so a wait of several months as you suggested I think is not necessary.
@@Transformania Why cant AMD cards work at release?
It's as if AMD is using you guys as beta testers for their broken drivers. The irony is that you shitheads have the nerve to call anyone with a rtx card a beta tester yet you're fine with AMD using you guys as beta testers 😂
@@WitchYuki22 You do know drivers are meant to improve the way a gpu works right? They worked from day one, not perfectly, but they worked, and have been improving and will continue to improve. Meanwhile, you STILL have only three games with partial implementation of RTX which STILL butchers your fps, and not only that, you still payed premium for tensor cores which work like shite in DLSS. Meanwhile, Image Sharpening works from day one and better than DLSS and input lag also works from day 1 which btw is backwards compatible. So... yeah... RTX is not a thing now, will not be in the near future, and when it is I will make the jump for sure, to whoever does it right.
The price differential between the RTX Cards, the aftermarket 5700XT and the 5700XT REFERENCE is quite large here in Germany.
You can get a Reference 5700 XT for 389€, the aftermarket models start at 425€ (cheap aftermarket), the RTX 2070 starts at 446€ (cheap aftermarket), the 2070 Super starts at 509€ (affordable aftermarket).
So if you take a aftermarket cooler (they usually remain compatible for long, so can be reused on newer GPUs) for 50€ you'll get a GPU comparable to the 509€ RTX 2070S for 86% (have to buy an aftermarket cooler) - 76% (had aftermarket cooler) of the price.
Man I'm glad I watched this video. Rebuilding my setup entirely and was gonna need a new W10 Key!
Let us know if the key is legit, please. I'm waiting for my paycheck to buy one for myself.
@@fabledorchid8410 Thanks, man!
there are cheaper websites tbh. You can have em for 9 euros as well. I just refuse to pay 100$ for it.. Makes no sense
Picked up a used RTX 2080 on eBay for $485 a few weeks ago after the 2080 Super launched. I had been waiting for the 2080 Super, but it's not worth the money when it's only 5-8% more performance over the regular 2080.
holy shit thats an awesome price. he must have really been wanting to get rid of it
Just bought a 2070 Super MSI gaming trio x... cant wait to get it
lucky
If you have a 1440p 144Hz monitor, you will really enjoy it
@@Patrick73787 1080p 165hz 25"
Lol
I bought a strix OC 2070 super, no regrets at all - the thing is a beast. Was cheaper than any standard 2080 where I live and I needed ray tracing for work reasons, so a no brainer.
With the 5700XT AIB, the 2070S is just a no for me.
same here
Same!
AIB?
AIB partner custom models.
Well for me it's the reference cards which make more sense. Aib 5700xt cards here are not a lot less than 2070s and I'd rather buy the better performing 2070s than paying for an overpriced aib card. Or I'm fine with paying less for the reference cards because I can live with the blower fans...
sticking with my Vega 56s till thinks calm down. Are we getting a RX 5800XT or 5900XT.
1:12 Is that Phillip DeFranco in the background? I'd recognise that dad shirt from a mile away!
There's only TWO KINDS of shirts that males wear: Dad shirts or CHILD shirts. LOL
Even a year later, still relevant content. Thanks, Greg.
Just watched Gamers Nexus video on the Sapphire 5700XT Pulse. Card had a pretty good dual fan cooler and looked pretty cool for only $10 more than reference. As for upcoming AMD cards, I read a Tech Radar article about Navi 21 and 23 coming out next year. I'd assume that would be something like a 5800 and 5800XT? It'll be pretty interesting going forward. I'm always excited for new tech and PC hardware!
Nope, RX 5800 XT will be "Navi 12" and likely dropping this year (along with the 24CU [vs 40 in Navi 10] Polaris 10/20 replacement, "Navi 16"; which'll show up as the "RX 5600" series).
Navi 21 & 23 will be based on the next-generation RDNA 2 architecture (and thus w/ HW accelerated ray-tracing) and are most likely to be branded as the "RX 6000" series (likely as the "RX 6800" & "RX 6900" ranges if I were to guess).
@@Cooe. Oh, thanks for the info!
Just built mine yesterday. 207p super, i9 9900k liquid cooled. Thing runs like a dream. Even under high stress temps stay good. But I've got a big ass cyber power case. With good air flow and 4 fans
the 2070S gigabyte gaming OC is $550 a full $150 more than the 5700xt. 5700xt custom cards are out now for $410-$450. similar performance for $100 less.
but 5700 has no ray tracing
@@yoool7137 raytracing? smh, seriously?
@@lb5928 raytracing will be the next thing in the future...the new consoles will also support ray tracing so the devs will start soon with it
its too slow on RTX. Not visually impressive. Maybe in 5 years but worthless now.
@@yoool7137 Amd's implementation of ray tracing will probably be software based no need for RT cores and shit like that, it could come to this years navi cards. Also right now ray tracing sucks a fat dick and cuts your fps in half.
in the uk the rx 5700 xt is 200 quid or more cheaper then the 2070s theres no contest and its like that in most of the world.
any AIB 5700 XT sells for about 440 quid, and the cheapest AIB 2070 Super sells for 490 quid. Tell me where I can find any AIB 5700 xt 200 quid cheaper than any AIB 5700 xt and I will go and buy it straight away mate.
@@amaurytoloza1511 LOL cheapest 2070 ive seen is 550 and that was sold out. you can pick up the 5700xt from 400ish quid so yeah around 200ish cheaper .
I am still struggeling what I want to buy. Maybe I will wait for a 5800XT with hopefully RayTracing
@@thatbritishgamer I am a GPU away of building a SFF. I've seen the 2070 super selling for 490 quid, and the AIB 5700 xt (pulse and evoke) for 440 quid. The model reviewed here at 460 at overclockersuk. That's a 50 quid difference. I wish it was a 200 difference tho.
Amaury Toloza exactly
I would sacrifice my left ball for those prices it's almost double that in my country.
Same, expensive in Norway
The US dollar is worth more..
? That's just a currency conversion. Minimum wage is 7.50 an hour in alot of states..
Did you add vignetting on the processing of this video? I think it might be a bit excessive. JMHO. Good content.
I wish tech youtubers spoke about issues that actually matter, like how amd refuses to actually stock the 3900x ir hiw motherboard venders refuse to put 90 degree usb headers even in their $300 boards.
Hey Salazar,
Love your channel. Been following it since 2016. I appreciate this review in particular as I'm about to purchase a new gaming rig after 6 years (2013). Since then, I've done upgrades to my hard drive, added memory, and updated my video card to a rx470 in 2016. I was stuck with an AM3+ motherboard and fx 4300 processor for those 6 years. Reliable workhorse to be sure. I'm looking to get a 2060 Super or 2070 and your review only adds to my knowledge as making a gaming pc purchase of $1100 is not only a financial decision, but an emotional one as well. Take care.
The Sapphire RX 5700 XT is only $409.00, but it's a lot cooler and quieter than the reference model.
Unfortunately Sapphire has the WORST customer service I've ever seen. Brand new GPU has a problem out of the box? Too bad, we won't fix it. We'll just ship you a random refurbished one of some unknown age. Should have bought a refurb from the start, dumb customer! Oh, and you can wait 6-8 weeks for the privilege.
@@Leo9ine Never had that issue buying Amazon and Newegg. They'd just send me a new ine, no questions ask.
Levi Núñez Is AMD too bad for streaming and recording?
@@nichohells go nvidia if you stream and record and edit.
@@nichohells the best combo most would say as of now is an AMD cpu mixed with a nvidia GPU. Atm it seems all AMD builds and an all Intel nvidia build arent worth it if you're editing / rendering etc.
Cleared up a whole lot thanks.
The RTX 2070 Super will be the most successful RTX 20 series GPU. Mark my words. it Performs as a 1080Ti for $500, great 1440p card, stable drivers, ray tracing, NVEnc and NVLink SLI supports. And 2x 2070s Super NVLinked perform better than a single 2080Ti for cheaper (while CrossFire isn't available on RX 5700 series GPUs).
5700 (xt) does do crossfire as it is just limited to DX12 and Vulkan games currently.
So why are you lyingn
orangezombies
multi-GPU in DX12/Vulkan is harder for developers to implement and won't be comon place before a very long time and currently there are only two games that support it, Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in DX12 and Quake 2 RTX in Vulkan. And I can't find any benchmarks available that confirm that RX 5700s can crossfire in those games. But my 2 RTX 2080s Super NVLinked do scale in those games and SLI + ray tracing work and scale as well.
2070s is a stupid card and the 5700xt is gonna blow it off the water, also ray tracing as a feature? I would consider a gimmick AT MOST, plus amd's sharpening and anti lag features are incredible without hitting performance
so was your prediction correct? Im looking at a 2070s right now
Just bought one didnt hook it up yet upgrading from a 1070ti so excited to try it out
In my country rx 5700xt are like 520€ and rtx 2070 super are more like 700€
Same, but I had a discount so a 2080 super ended up at 750€ shipped, intended for a 2080 so getting a super not much over a 2070 super is okay.
Europs sucks, everything is 100 euros more
Can you order these from abroad and pay the other countries price? Idk if like a US card, for instance, would work in a European build?
Picked up the msi x trio 2070s for $515, got two games with it and put the msi 970 on my shelf. Really enjoy 1440p!
Douglas Clark The 5700xt was a no brainer for me, being 100 dollars cheaper makes it the best deal I could find
Thanks for that windows activation code and the mibi guide to activate it
Bought a key and says it didnt work..contacted customer support and the guy said it would take 2 hours to check the order...
Just got a GTX 1080ti mini for my SFF build for $550. The all RTX cards are far too large, unfortunately :(. 1080ti mini is a beast though.
To me the biggest problem with a 2070 super is the 5700xt. You can pick up custom aib versions for around $400 e.g. sapphire 5700 xt pulse for $410
lucky you, in the UK the pricing situation is a bit different for AIB versions. The pulse sells for 450 pounds, and the cheapest AIB 2070 SUPER sells for 490.
@@amaurytoloza1511 CCL are selling the Sapphire Pulse for £411. Just in case you havent bought a card yet.
@@derriet6806 really? I got the 2070 super FE for £475 few days after this discussion. It was on stock briefly from Nvidia.
@@amaurytoloza1511 Was that through the UK Nvidia store? I can only see it at £489 including a CoD Key.
@@derriet6806 it was from Nvidia UK store. They didn't last much tho' next morning they were gone.
2070 super best bang for the buck imho. 5700 xt custom cards cost as much as the first 2070 super custom models.
9:34 There is a good reason as to why I’ll always be buying a Nvidia graphics card, it’s because i have a G Sync monitor. If my monitor dies in the future then i can decide between the Red and Green team. It’s not like we as a consumer are in a relationship with either Nvidia or AMD. I need to deal with what I have. So maybe i am in a relationship??? Till death do us apart i suppose 😂
I actually got a RTX 2060 for $309 from newegg a couple weeks ago with the wolf and control games. I was looking into the 5700 but that price coupled with the fact i was building a itx pc made that decision pretty easy for me. 5700 thermals would have probably been a problem for me in the node 202 case. Plus the games were icing on the cake, I have been really happy with the performance i got for $300.
I have the white version of the Gigabyte 2070 Super. Great card, I love it.
meRyanP have you had any problems with it? Would you recommend? I’m on the fence about getting it, I’m building my first pc so I’m still learning, and all this talk is confusing me
I brought a used 2070 S Gaming X for £420 yesterday, I think that's alright! I mean I seen a few auctions on ebay that were won for as low as £350 but I think it's aight
I guess I made the right choice in getting the 1660ti. I only game in 1080p anyways.
For 1080p gtx 1660 ti is really enough
Even at 1440p it's a stellar card
@@evm7368 well yeah if u play at 60 fps. but u need like 2080 ti for 144hz 1440p
Evan Merklin overkill? It wont even reach 144fps with 1440p in most AAA titles with ultra settings. And then there is also 165hz 1440p displays so... not overkill at all
It's crazy to pay nearly 300 bucks for a renamed GTX 2050 Ti, it is nothing more than that tbh. Hopefully Navi 5600 XT makes them obsolete like the 2060 (Super).
Good vid. THanks. Hey ... when is your next live stream?
The 5700xt pulse is being sold 410$
The most interesting thing to me about the 2080S (which is why I’m getting it) is the underclocked but still faster memory compared to the 2070S. This should give me more headroom when overclocking the card, since memory speed on these rtx cards seem to be fairly important on the performance aspect of things. Given, the 2070S is still a great offer with the current TU104 chip.
@@DrearierSpider1 People with 4k TVs?
DrearierSpider1 the thing is, a 2nd hand 1080ti will cost me the same as a rtx2080s over here at the time of writing, and I can’t be bothered to wait for a great deal on the card while I won’t know in which state it will be in. As for the resolution side of things, I’ll be using a 1440p 144Hz monitor, in which case the extra memory speed would help me a bit. I do agree on the point that if you can get a good price on a 1080ti that you should absolutely go for it (unless it’s absolutely busted of course), it’s part of my laziness to wait for a good deal and my fear of 2nd hand tech failing that I won’t go for it.
@@DrearierSpider1 The 1080 ti is 10% slower than the normal 2080, and thereby nearly 20% slower than the 2080 super. $400 is also a rare used price for a 1080 ti because there is some misconception that it is exactly on par with the 2080 in performance (which it is not) and the demand is insanely high. Most people are still selling them for $520 or higher on r/hardwareswap.
@@DrearierSpider1 ruclips.net/video/mlYkZ3FW1M0/видео.html
The 1080 ti's performance is comparable to that of the 2070 Super, at which point it's a no brainer. 8 GB of vram is plenty unless you game at 4k, but neither card can yield playable frame rates at that resolution so it's out of the question.
@@DrearierSpider1 how about a $450 ftw3 1080ti vs $450 red devil 5700xt?
Which one would you go for? The 1080ti doesnt have a warranty though so I'm fucked if it's a lemon
Nothing offensive intended for any reviewers like Greg here, but saying that it should be refined at start is a slightly unfair in my opinion. Everyone holds AMD as the budget king who releases great products, but it takes months, sometimes a year to fix the bugs in their cards whereas most driver problems for NVIDIA are fixed. It’s a double standard no one notices yet constantly complains about in the reverse that it’s frustrating no one notices.
You say RTX will be useless and gone or improved when it comes out so much that they will suck bad anyways? So will the RX 5700 by the time they get the drivers in order.
I’ll say it here and I’ll keep saying it, NVIDIA for Firm/Software and AMD for Hardware.
Amd drivers are suprisingly more stable than nvidia on everything but on windows
But you don't have to pay to update software, whereas you do need to drop cash (or more likely you wont but you'll feel like you wasted your money) in order to upgrade to the refined model. People don't give shit to AMD for buggy, unrefined software because it can be patched. When Nvidia comes out with a more optimal lineup of existing cards less than a year later after people already spent hundreds of dollars on what they thought was gonna be a big upgrade, it feels like a slap in the face when they could've had better if they just waited 6 months. That shit sucks.
@@Bussy-Hunter tech move fast idiot, 6 months is long time.
Kevin Who in their right minds would buy a $500 graphics card and accept that it’s buggy and inconsistent for 6 months!? That’s insane.
I have no idea what card to get I want to upgrade to 1440p so I was looking at the 5700 XT but I have had nothing but trouble with AMD cards in the past so I don't want to go that route this time. So I have narrowed it down to either the 2060 Super the regular 2070 or the 2070 Super the only problem is they are all $20 apart so it wouldn't make sense to get the 2070 when I could get the Super model for $20 more. The only problem with the 2070 Super is it's an AIB base model versus the 2070 which is the EVGA XC Ultra same with the 2060 Super it's an XC Ultra as well but again for $20 I could get the 2070 what card should I get.
I got an RTX 2070 recently. Just because I want a full working die on my graphics cards.
In 2070s it’s not using full die?
@@latuba2478 I think he was talking about the TU106 die (2060 and 2060 Super) since the 2070S uses the TU104 die, same as 2080.
I just built a new rig this year with the 5700xt. From day one I had nonstop crashing issues and the thing does run really hot. I had the powercolor Red Devil. Researching the issue it looks like AMD still hasn't fixed the driver, despite complaints dating back to October. Returning it for a Gigabyte 2070 Super for $60 more.
5700xt for me, no doubt. Aib of course not reference
Evga 2070 super black gaming or a gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc?
i'm coming off a rx560 in my laptop into a 2070S in a desktop, so it's a rather massive upgrade to me lmao
Just a bit.... lol
Well I took 3700x + gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc + 2x8gb 3600 mhz + gygabite x570+samsung evo 970 500 gb.
What do you think?
Go for a 240hz monitor with the 5700xt you will save tons of cash
@@abdulaziz-my2dr i have money... but the difference between these 2 video cards in my country is only 140$... + I have ASUS VG279Q because I dont like Tn matrics. My monitor is perfect for photoshop and gaming.
Nikolay bro you won’t regret buying the 5700 xt and thanks for the reply
i got a very similar build like yours.. i went with 2070s over 5700xt just because i play mostly path of exile and they don't have a very good history with radeon.. if theres more 5700xt other than the reference i think it will beat 2070s in terms of value and on paper.. but i personally think that the nvidia architecture is still superio than radeon at the time of this writting.. thanks have a good day..
I got the rtx 2070 used one for only 300$! Soo its a good deal for me.
@Unfiltered Truth to be truth, i want rx 5700 xt because im amd fan boy but i just thinking thats very cheap for me (300$ - 10% off)
I like how mention the 1660 and the 1660 Ti models as value GPUs but ignore the fact how cheap Vega 56 is at the moment
Yeah, Vega56 is 230€ (250€ for Pulse) in germany for example and 1660Ti's are 260-270€. WTF.
@@CarbonPanther I haven't tested it myself but I think the RX Vega 56 should be faster in most games and has 2GB more VRAM. Looks like a better deal to me than the current GTX lineup.
Tytan64 Yeah +20% is to be expected and if you can get it for that price, which isn't the case in some country's.
unfortunately my GTX 1080 died last week, which was stilll perfect for 1440P gaming on high refresh rate, so i went and bought the RTX 2070 which is slightly faster for 500 euros the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING OC WHITE pretty happy with it, fast enough for my 3440x1440 gaming
Bro thats 4k
@@megamind8359 No, it is 2k.
4k starts at 3840x2160.
@@megamind8359 No, it's 1440p Ultra wide. 4k would be 2160p
GlenAlz81#RoR you all fucking wrong!!! 2k is NOT 2560x1440! That is Wide Quad HD! And 4k is 4096x2160, not 3840x2160!
Just multiply the numbers guys....3440x1440 is a lil higher than say 2560x1600 gaming which way under 4k
Hi, i have a question. If i upgrading to rtx 2070 super, should i also upgrade the psu?
Currently my rigs are: i5 9400f, gtx 1660ti, msi b360 gaming artic, PSU be quiet! pure power 11 500w 80+ gold.
Thanks in advance.
i would go with a 650w
Just recommend 5700xt AIB for 410$,thumbs up,end of story!
Ikr why is it difficult to say a card that cost significantly less that performs within 10%
In fact it's more like 5% while still being cheaper, he had to go in circles of 10 minutes to say I like Nvidia. Plus I hate how he only compares MSRP because when I go on Amazon or other sites here in the UK a 2070S actually costs more than $680+ converted from pounds, that's ridiculous seeing the rx5700xt AIB cost like $450-70
@@seasesh4073 There is a great AIB card for 410🤣. Its perfect!
I have the gigabyte AORUS rtx 2070 Super. 1905mhz. It's amazing. Does all the 144 fps 2k gaming that I bought it for.
Exactly what I'm waiting 2 days to buy lmao.
Exactly what I got two days ago lol.
I dunno the AMD RX5700XT and the new partner cards for 10-20 dollars more trades blows with the 2070 (super) and cost less. The partner cards run cooler so why endorse NVidia now?
There is one simple reason why he is endorsing Nvidia in this video. He bashes AMD for not offering a high-end competitor after almost nonchalantly brushing aside the 5700XT. He gives the classic "it runs hot and loud" moniker for the 5700XT reference model and then fails to cover the AIB models coming out soon or out now. These are Nvidia influencer talking points and Greg covered them in this video. I heard rumors about a month ago that Greg had taken the bait, and it seems there were more to these rumors than I originally thought.
Where I live the rx5700xt is $450 and the 2070S is $550 and the 2070S runs with 10-20 more frames, runs way cooler and way quitter so I think the 2070S more worth it
Is 2070s worth 50€ more than 5700xt? Both custom designs...
For €50 more having better drivers and Ray tracing is worth it.
I'm getting 2070S instead of rx5700xt. It's little bit more than rx 5700xt but it has better cooling and better performance
The Sapphire pulse is cheaper and has amazing cooling, while the rest of the money saved could be used in anything more useful.
@@Blizryn Have you noticed the state of AMDs drivers right now? Lmao
It's a fucking mess. Some people are actually going back to previous drivers. It's ironic since AMD fanboys always brag about how AMD makes their GPUs better with drivers 😂
@@Blizryn well, I was thinking about getting rx 5700 xt strix. But I want to have a better overall gaming performance and a card which doesn't turn my case into an oven. I pair 3700x with 2070S because I think it's the sweet spot for me.
@@WitchYuki22 Yeah, it's a mess but at least it's getting fixed, drivers dont stay forever and problems get fixed, If I recall the colour mess was windows related also?
@@tonyy.8852 I mean I like your idea but 1 thing I wanna point out is when I said Sapphire 5700 XT I meant the AIB model, not the blower style cooler reference model, check Gamers Nexus review at least before you buy, you'd be surprised with the AIB cards thermal results and noise levels.
I think I heard you say something about 1660ti being the best value? My opinion would be the vega 56, since it's $250-$300 so pretty much the same price as a 1660ti, but far faster.
Lol the 2060S looks like a terrible value for $400+ compared to the XT :)
Ray tracing’s time is coming, just not now. Ray tracing enters the mainstream next year with the next-gen consoles powered by RDNA 2.0
Even Nvidia said Ray tracing wont catch on until 2023.
@@NovaDoll Tbh because it takes such a big performance hit. People are just not going to be using it. I prefer 144 fps on a 144hz monitor without ray tracing instead of a game looking a bit better but my fps is lower.
Natuurreiziger Ofzo Me too. I don’t want to play a game with RTX on at 30fps.
i got one for 530 cad/ ~$402 USD (and no sales tax or shipping), maybe not the best choice with new cards around the corner but my 970 was on its last legs, was it a good deal?
There is no sens in recommending a RTX 2070 Super when you can have the same performance ( maybe 3%-5% less ) at 25% less price with a RX 5700XT. Then there is the similar story with the RX 5700 VS 2060 Super & 1660. Just go AMD and get the same performance, using the extra cash for a better CPU or more RAM.
Dude , I was playing metro exodus yesterday on my rtx 2070 super with rtx set to high and everything maxed out at 1080p , game looks amazing with rtx enabled and I got around 70-110 fps , why you guys forget the extra features rtx cards comes with ?
@@deejay4058 Performace > Features.
Its not the same peformance the 5700 xt is still 15 frames behind the 2070 super and that matter when you are trying to reach your monitor hz
@@Epicstar25002 I just bought the gaming oc 2070 super for 540 euro's and I love it. But you should just get what you want to get. If you want a cheaper option which (with the better cooling solutions) would only lose you a couple of fps while saving you 100$ then its fine. I just couldn't wait anymore so I went with Nvidia.
@@CarbonPanther its beats it in performance as well if you're not aware
i miss the end end of 2000s and the early 2010s when it comes to gpu, pricing and competition. my bet is that 3080 cards will be 900 $ card and will only drop to 800 after a year
2070 Super and the 2060 Super are way over priced. Especially, when RX 5700xt exists at $400.
@v KEITH v actualy the 2070 super is only 3% better then the 5700xt so it's all about price and maby temps and db if you care.
@@zanster8336 5-8% *
@v KEITH v 2070super is not even close to 15-20% faster than the 5700xt. it's like 5% faster. get your facts straight please.
@v KEITH v You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop spreading information on RUclips comments and the like. You're not educated enough on the subject. Thanks.
Zanster Try running machine learning on the 5700xt oh wait you cant because it can only run on cuda cores.
Bought this card when it was ¥55000 in 2019. Still runs great on high settings for games at 1440p.
I have a RTX 2070S Gigabyte Gaming OC and i am very happy with it
Eduardo B. R. Happiness doesn't justify its price nor its performance for that price.
@@CarbonPanther You missed the context my friend. I did a lot of research before i bought this card, i used to have a rx480, i was thinking about buying a 1080, i saved the money for it, but in my country the 1080 was very close to the price of the 2070, so i am really happy to get a 2070 super that is a 2080 (more of less) for less than it was first announced. So yeah, i am pretty happy, sorry if that displeases you.
@@duramirez a 2070s isn't a 2080 (more or less) 2070s never performs more than a 2080. and calling a 2070 supera 2080 is like calling a 2080 a 2080super. Actually the 2080 gets 10-15fps more than 2070s on games vs the 2080s getting 5-7fps more than the 2080. 2080 is better than a 2070s 10-15 fps in 4k is a ton. Not a small insignificant number like you make it out to be calling the 2070s basically a 2080 more or less, 45fps in 4k vs 60 is a massive difference so I would say the 2070s is noticably inferior to the 2080
@@vile1009 cry more fan boi
@@axe8489 Fanboy of what lmao I'm compared 2 Nvidia cards you moron LMFAO, go get 18 dislikes and 0 likes on another video LMFAOAOOAOA
Just upgraded to a 2060 super and very happy with price to performance
...and when everyone's super... No one will be.
Incrediboy
The RX 5700 XT costs the same as the 2070 S, around $565 in my country. It's so weird
Same over here... which made the decision so much easy :)
5700xt pulse is a really good card for $410.
@AmpEdition yeah ..better wait until we get better drivers . Guess it's the architecture tuning will take some time to mature . Better to go for nvidia at the moment , else GCN ..
I’m still pretty new to all of this and I have a question about FPS and monitor refresh rates.
I’m a long time iMac user (about 15 years of nothing but Apple computers) and recently, I got a strong itch to build myself a gaming PC. I’m planning to put together a solid 1440p setup.
If I were to buy a 2070 Super and I wanted to play at 1440p @ high/ultra settings, would it even make sense to buy a 144hz 1440p monitor? As I understand it, you aren’t able to see the benefits of 144hz unless you’re consistently achieving 144 FPS or higher. In the case of the 2070 Super, would it make more sense to go for a 100-120hz monitor since it looks like most AAA titles will run at around 80-100 FPS on high/ultra settings?
I will probably buy a 144hz monitor anyway just to have some scalability, I’m really just asking to see if I’m correct in my understanding.
Thanks
Simplified: The hz of a display is the max FPS it can show. So a 144hz can show maximum 144fps, and yes it can show 90 fps, 100 fps, 120 fps etc...
Go for the 144hz monitor, i got the acer 1440p 144hz IPS for £300 its brilliant. And you might not hit 144hz in all settings but you can drop those settings to game at 144hz , the option will be there! An you can over clock your gpu to gain fps.
Why NV can release a better 2070 at the same price now? Because AMD happened.
Also, even now, the GPUs(from both NV and AMD) are still way too overpriced. The Perf/Dollar this gen is still not much better than last gen, at their msrp. That is insane....ly bad...
Nah apparently people love flexing their $1200 so much, we should just life with it, its so stupid, we never had to pay these prices before and now people act like its "normal" its "okay" cause the performance is sooo gud... Completely ignoring LAST GEN'S msrp...
Rx 5700 competes with the 2080?
*Please do a video on nvidia's texture compression, using drivers to reduce image quality and gain fps. Cheating nvidia!*
Are you sure you're not confusing that with AMD's Compressonator?
gpuopen.com/gaming-product/compressonator/
It's also not done 'using drivers', it's done intentionally by the developers...
developer.nvidia.com/astc-texture-compression-for-game-assets
I'm really hoping it will be on sale in November (black friday). Currently rocking 1050ti xD.
I hate seeing that card bc I have bought the non super variant just before the super cards arrived
Can you sell your card on eBay...then consider upgrading to super!
pkgkrb power why would anyone buy it?
@@Juuls04 trust me..they will..
pkgkrb power for 500 dollar?
@@Juuls04 go on eBay..check what they are selling for used..I just sold my 1070ti for 275.00 I'm sure you will get 550 at least..
Can you advise me as to why my brand-new, right out of the box, evga rtx 2070 super has no graphics output? Fans work fine. I replaced a 1080ti triple-fan that stopped outputting graphics but the fans still worked. Is there something else that might cause it to act this way?
I went for 2070 S for the nvlink alone
I did manage to score myself a PowerColour 5700XT Red Devil for £410 UK pounds, plus I got 3 months Xbox game pass & Ghost Recon Break Point as part of the offer, So not too bad of a deal, And so far I've downloaded about 8 games using the XGP with some big title games like Forza 4 Horizon, Gears 5, Rise of tomb Raider to mention a few, So yeah banging deal I thinks. And now Im looking to get a 2070 Super for my 2nd pc to replace the tired Strix RX480 that served me really well.
If science studios notices this I will sell my first born and my kidney
Ok
@@GregSalazar F
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Lol
Public bidding for kidney starting at 1000 dollars
How are the 2070 super in video editing? Especially on the new studio driver?
I’m still very lost and confused on your points here, perhaps if you sent me a card, I think I might just understand. 😆
How many monitors can I use with this card?
The supers are faster than non supers. Wow. Shocking.
Why was this video even made.
What do you guys think of the msi mech 5700xt? Heard it runs a little hot but how is it performance wise?
Pretty good but the drivers are szill shit, mine fell sppart and driver issues caused crashes