@JayTwoCents what Vega do you use, because the score is too low? Not even at Power Save mode (176W cap) a Red Devil, LC or Nitro has such low scores. If you use Strix, hope you know the engineering defects with the VRM thermal pads that are too thin and don't touch the cooler yes?
And that is the question I asked myself. I bought the 2070. Price was on point. I did spend 80 more for the MSI Duke. Just because I want to overclock it or at least see if it will.
@@Leo9az either a used 1080ti or a 2070 imo 2070 benchmarcks might go up a little more once nvidia comes out with driver updates. If you cant find a cheap 1080ti I'd go with 2070.
That's even greater reason for prices to drop: with Moore's Law dead, the same facilities are used and there is no upgrade cost to recoup. Though it should be said Nvidia went large (expensive) die, which is basically all you can do at the end of a process, so they aren't exactly cheaping out. On the other hand, this architecture has been for sale for a month and a huge chunk of that die remains inert.
nevermind the fact the you don't get more bang for your buck than 2 years ago by raising the price of every new model on the market. It's BS from Nvidia. 2070 should have the same price as the 1070. Same for 2080 and 1080. I guess the current install base is not their target as they won't be upgrading.
The "future-proofing" of these cards with ray tracing is silly and pointless. By the time RT is actually implemented and considered a sought-after feature, new, superior cards will be available. Especially since Nvidia have proved that they have zero qualms about flooding the market with cards to choose from; they will milk that cow however they can.
It's a chicken and egg problem though. It needs to come out for devs to start making games for it. I think a lot of people will wait for the next gen for the same reasons, but it's super cool that this came out so that that can happen :)
1. The next gen cards wont be cheaper than rtx 20s right now anyway. 2. The pascal will perform even worse anyway in the future and you will need to change vga with high expense anyway. 3. It will be at least 1 and 1/2 or 2 years for next gen. 4. Rtx2080ti actually hit the dream wish of 4k 60fps. So yeah. I bought 2080ti and dont regret it.
Metro Exodus alone will be worth it if they implement RT in a way that makes it playable. And just being able to max out Cyberpunk 2077 in 1440p makes the investment worth it for me.
Shit, if Nvidia keeps this up and their timing is mismatched with next gen middleware development engines supporting raytracing we may be saying the same thing with the 3000 series. They need to put out a high performance, affordable GPU that supports raytracing. Otherwise it will not be worth it for developers to make their games with features a tiny slice of the market will ever afford to see.
Not a chance. Price is still rediculous. What happened to x70 series cards being $350. Now it’s $500? No that’s I expect to get an x80 series card for $500 and an 80Ti for $700. Anything outside of that is an absolute no from me. Wish others would start telling Nvidia no with their wallets and force the company to stop price gouging. I’ll stick with my 970. Maybe a1080Ti but the 20xx series can go die in a fire.
Cero Ashura 650 euros is dumb high. You can get them for 550 $ on reddit, or 650 $ on eBay, and those are the good ones, like the ftw3 or the gaming x trio
Yentl Van Tendeloo I think its you who didnt understand the term „inflation“ very well, an RTX 2080 that costs 800 bucks and performs the same way that a 1080 ti does has nothing to do with inflation, the 1080 ti is 2 years old and has now reached MSRP in europe/germany (699€ / it should be at 400-500 now) This is ridicolous, even with inflation that should have been a 5% increase of the price but not a 60% increase for the XX80 series (the 2080 sells for roughly 800 bucks instead of the usual 500) Thats not inflation, its literally explained in the first minutes of any economics lecture: supply and demand & a market monopoly by those greedy nvidia cunts because amd cant get their shit together
Yep- lotta nostalgia from that room, Jay! I put together an AMD A10- 7850K APU computer for my wife, after seeing you actually gaming on one. 8GB of RAM, internal graphics cranked to the max and a 27" monitor. Still working great today, she's very protective of it! Thankz, Jayz!
Never mind the fact we don't have any ray tracing tech in games yet, we still don't have the tech from the 10 series cards in games yet (SMP, Simultaneous Multi-Project). Man I bought my 1080 with a triple monitor setup so excited for that tech.. and well, it never happened.. :(
SMP is not only hooking up three monitors and got the display output on the three of them. From what I understand, it is to balance the weird looking perspectives of games where you pull in two sides monitor onto you for multiple display output, so you have basically equal distance to all of the monitor. But, the game sadly only render the game like you have 3 monitor in straight line, so it creates that weird looking graphic when you look on the edge of monitor that touch with the middle monitor.
Mufaz Dzaky i remember that! Sorry they never followed through! If history repeats itself, I guess I wont be taking an rtx risks until its actually proven.
The difference between SMP, which very few people would/could take advantage of since it requires multiple monitors (obviously), ray tracing would benefit anyone who plays a game that has that technology in place. This makes it something that has much more broad appeal for gamers than those looking for immersion in (mostly) car driving simulators and such.The same goes for DLSS, that's a technology that could benefit anyone who has the card and the technology is supported by the game. The 20 series RTX cards are offering both of these new technologies at the same time. Will either or both take hold and become used widespread among developers? Who knows, if they do then that makes the cards a much better value. If they don't then it definitely makes them not as appealing.
Backflipping Concealed Carry Enthusiast Association That's a flat out lie. Its very rare that a product released in the uk will be correctly converted from it's U.S msrp. No, almost always it will be the same number, if its $550 it will be £550. This was true of the 10 series graphics cards, and all other rtx cards thus far. Just go and look at the preorder prices for any rtx 2070 and show me one below £550. Its a terrible value proposition whatever way you look at it.
yea i was able to even get a 1080 for like $320 USD. but i passed it up waiting to see reviews for the 2070, same with 9900k because im still on 2500k, 8gb 2133mhz, with a gtx760 haha i need a new build overall, so i was thinking grabbing GTX 1080, 8700K, 16gb 3000mhz ram
Im gonna call it. When ray tracing games out, RTX 2070 will not have enough power to run ray tracing games, shit tons of 2070 owners will regret buying it. might end up with class action lawsuit, 970 all over again.
The 2070 super should be able to run anything rtx at ultra settings 1080p for the future atleast as of right now it crushes everything 1440p on ultra and rtx
love people that know nothing about tech, just because it is 7nm does not mean it is going to be 2x faster than 14nm or 12nm, they are not using the same technology and its not true 7nm its the same as calling 16nm finfet 14nm when it is not
The term die shrink (sometimes optical shrink or process shrink) refers to a simple semiconductor scaling of semiconductor devices, mainly transistors. The act of shrinking a die is to create a somewhat identical circuit using a more advanced fabrication process, usually involving an advance of lithographic node.
I got very old GPU (HD 7870 XT) and im going to upgrade to 2070 here is why 1) i have bad experience with second hand cards so no used 1080ti for me not worth the headache 2) GTX 1080 costs about 7% less than RTX 2070 here and guess what 2070 have 7% more power so the DLSS (mostly) and Plebtracing is just nice bonus for someone like me But its true if you have GTX1070+ already do not upgrade to RTX its pretty much pointless
@@kylefowler3333 dude, nvidia sells the core to evga, then evga customizes around it. their profits are small too, so they couldn't cut it down much if they wanted to
when you don't watch a video and make a comment.........bruh, nvidia makes the cards and other companies buy them off nvidia. EVGA and other companies are basically controlled by Nvidia on pricing since they need to improve the card, add better design/cooling and still manage to squeeze a few bucks for profit.
I upgraded to a 2070 from a 780 so I did get a huge performance boost but I am disappointed in its price point. I was really hoping it would be cheaper. I basically got a 1080. I had initially wanted a 1080ti to upgrade to, but they have basically sold out anywhere that would offer me a good 3 year warranty. So I went with this. It wasn't a bad purchase, but it's really not a good purchase either. Compared with the 1070 this is actually a really bad launch. The 1070 had a performance boost over the 980ti for $200 less. I was really expecting this to perform better than a 1080ti which I wanted in the first place, I just waited way too long to upgrade because of the crypto mining boom. Nvidia is asking me to take their word that Ray Tracing and DLSS will be worth the extra money which I can't do. So to anybody thinking of upgrading to this card. I would only say you should, If like me you are upgrading from something now a few generations or more behind. I really hope it performs well on the Acer X34P as that is the monitor I am upgrading to.
Just like me :) I got the 2070 now (it's on the way) and my GTX 780 still running, just waiting to be replaced :) I got the Zotac 2070 mini for 499 EUR ... Anxious to play Resident Evil 2 remake on it ;)
2070? Meh. Thats what i think. Waiting 2 years for something we already have. Reflections ? We had those for years, fake ones? Don't care, they look perfect to me. I can wait 1-2 more generations before we see real reflections with stable fps and good resolution. People tend to play with 120-144 hz nowdays. It aint just about 60 fps (or 1080p) anymore. Call me again when RTX can deliver 144 hz and reflections (and price) Till then fps is king.
Awesome video Jay, always makes me nostalgic when a new card launches on your channel and it feels like I was just watching your 1070 review. Side note- a GTX 1080 currently costs 350, a 1080 Ti is 500-600, 1070 Ti for 320, 1070 for 250, Vega 64 for 400. Everyone do yourselves a favor and save a few hundred bucks (all from ebay with non-blower styles)
What stands out for me so far on the 20xx series launch..... I like the clear shrouds on the EVGA cards. Sadly, but honestly, that's it. Great video, Jay. Be safe over there in SoCal. I have other friends over there so I've heard about some of what's going on. We're starting to get some of it here in El Paso now.
Here in Australia this card is $1079, in some places a brand new 1080ti costs $20 more than that to buy. If you think it's worth the money shop around you will be surprised at what you find.
It's nice and yet a little odd seeing you back in the old look. It helps to really show just how much you have grown over the years, and was a nice kick of nostalgia
Jay, you asked for our opinions, and I'm gonna give mine. I just got done completely building a new machine for myself and I have had several interesting things happen along the way, one of which was the 2070. I was trying to buy a 1080, or 1080TI because a few months ago the price point on the TI especially used really wasn't bad at all, (bitcoin tanking and people selling off their cards...) I didn't know much about the 20 series and when I saw they were basically comprable to their cheaper bretheren, I saw no need to get one. Well, by the time I'd saved enough to get a card, the 2070 xc ultra was still 550$, and beat out 1080's in most tests while the 1080ti had skyrocketed to ridiculous costs as vendors ran out. So I got a 2070xc and honestly I'm glad I did. Yeah, the costs on these things are ridiculous, but I tend to try to buy something that's going to last me a few years instead of going cheap every 6 months. This puppy really does seem like it will be a good performer and I'm glad I got it. I also think the unused portions of the cards will give me that flexibility in the future where a 1080 simply wouldn't. Now to be fair, I think I got a good chip as far as the gpu goes, but the memory...not so much. 300mhz oc on the memory, and I think 115 ish on the chip. It will hit 2055mhz before it crashes under stress, but the great thing is with the bigger fans on the xcultra it never really goes over about 55c...so the ray tracing and tensor cores could add a lot of heat to it without it being an issue. Even if it added 15-20c it shouldn't cause any real problems. Anyway, thanks for the video
You can get a 1080 for just over $300 if you look hard enough. Also, there wont be any 2070 under $550 and most will be around $600, just look at the preorder prices.
Now that skunk works is in the studio he does this home office video without it... Thanks for the review, I was sad to not see the graphs, reading numbers is hard...but seriously I loved your graphs on the RTX 2080/ti videos. Keep up the good work
I like AMD over the others cause they get right to the point low mid and high great prices and your not over thinking what card would be best for me. But with that I still catch myself saying ATI man the good old days. Like the voodoo card to great name won’t forget that
@@JoeyAnswer "I like AMD over the others cause they get right to the point low mid and high great prices and your not over thinking what card would be best for me." mhm, sure. backpedal harder.
your trying to hard to roast one kinda sad how people have changed since i was a kid. no backpedaling at all why would you want a large lineup of cpus and gpus? look at nividas line. for the everyday person who games on console or used to pc game would be overwhelmed. best regards
I don't understand how the 2070 beats last generation in gaming if it's priced ***STARTING AT*** 500 dollars because when you compare it to a 1080 which had a 500 dollar MSRP at launch it puts up pretty much the same performance. You are actually better off buying a used Pascal card in my opinion because if RTX is anything like the tomb raider leaks it's gonna be lackluster.
So basically for someone in my position, (OC'd 8700k, Strix 1080, 1440p 75hz monitor) were screwed. 1080ti's aren't a massive leap over the 1080, but do perform better (again, not drastically at my resolution) but the 1080ti's are impossible to find new anywhere here in the US for a fair price. The 2080ti costs well over $1000, ($1300+, IF YOU CAN EVEN FIND ONE), and the 2080 costs what a 1080ti used to and performs about the same. I'd be getting like a 10% imrpovement, strictly speaking FPS wise. Trouble for me is, even OC'd my 1080 has a hard time in certain games achieving 75 fps at 1440p. So I want a new card that can for sure handle 75fps on ultra settings, but theres no card readily available thats remotely fairly priced that can do what I'd like. The 2080 vs 1080ti comparison is tough because performance wise they seem to be within 10% of eachother, but specs wise the 1080ti has the 2080 beat. One of those two is nearly impossible to find new, the other is an extremely poor value.
I like old studio much more, havent watched your vids very often nowadays, unfortunately. I dont know is it the new studio or what but... This is just like old times. Keep it up Jay! Btw thanks to you my computer vocabulary is now much better and its getting better. Good luck to beating Sampsa on that firestrike battle! 💪 Greetings from Finland!
hey jayz im a linemen for DWP we our working on getting you power back on. im sure by the time you read this youll be back up and run.. keep up the good work.
I think third party developer's should start making cards more durable rather then trying to make them overclockable. I should put this is context: my father's computer used to have a 128 bit graphic card. The card never died during the 15 years that computer worked. It was simply obsolete by then and could not be used in any new build. But that is a testament to it's durability. I bought my first graphic card in 2009 it was an xfx gtx 295 dual core. I ran every game that worked on dx10 on that card including the infamous crysis. That card lasted 5 years before dying spectacularly damaging my Mobo as it died. I won't argue here about fail safes that should be on a motherboard to protect connected devices, but point is that it died in 5 years compared to my father's graphic card. After it died I bought a gtx 980ti from gigabyte. I was already taken aback by it's shoddy build quality. The 3 fans were programmed to spin at up to 2000 rpm but the fans were built as fragile as a fly's wing. The only thing keeping the fan head connected to the rotary motor axle was a 3 armed clamp only a millimeter in size. As I expected they did not last. Within 1 year the first fan snapped. I removed it. The next year I lost the second one. Now I had a problem, with only one fan the card could not possibly keep the GPU cool enough to run anything. So I tried to jury rig 60mm fans on the metal shroud only to realize gigabyte made the fan connectors backward to prevent anyone from using alternate models of fans on the card. U either buy more of those shoddy gigabyte fans or risk burning out ur card. I took a third option, I bought two 140mm non-pwm fans from corsair and ziptied them to the shroud over the 1st and 3rd fan ports. I left one fan on the center port so the GPU would detect a working pwm fan and set it to never spin so it would not break. The design worked and my card was running cooler then before. But ultimately the card died the third year. 15 years, 5 years, and now 3 years. I am no expert but a GPU is the second most heavily used part of a PC after the PSU, how can graphic card manufacturer justify making their build quality worse with every new generation of GPU. This part of a PC should last as long as a decade without hiccups yet they are breaking down faster and faster. If cooling is an issue shouldn't the shroud design and wiring be versatile enough to allow people more or better options for cooling? I am paying as much as my entire PC is worth for a GPU then shouldn't I be entitled to a guarantee by it's makers that this overpriced hardware will serve my needs for 10 years before failing?
@@coopergates9680 recent reports suggest even the third party nvidia GPU makers didn't know what they were getting either. The whole priority sales partners getting better quality GPU through binning was a bold faced lie. The only truth here is the worst quality GPU have more useless cores and are used for low end GPU models in a family based on how many usable GPU cores are available. Higher quality GPU have more functioning cores and therefore used for the high end GPU models in a family. As far as their life expectancy is concerned there is no way of knowing either way whether they will die on you in 5 years, 1 year or in 1 minute after u use it. It could die because of faulty circuitry in the GPU or because it is overheating while doing what it is supposed to do, this has happened with GeForce 3 series (the Nvidia card that was used in the first xbox). That's what replacement warranties are for. Best to buy a GPU new with a warranty preferrably 3-5 years long if possible. Because u never know how good the GPU is going to work.
In my country, the 2070 is sold at a price for a 1080 and the 2080 at a price of 1080ti. I was planning to get a 1080ti before the RTX releases but then I saw the prices and performance. Upgraded from 970 to 2080. If you are from the 10 series I don't think upgrading to a 20 series is worth it unless you have no problem with money.
this is why i find this channel to be the best, not click baity, full Of useful info without being boring, solid real world tests! THANK YOU JAY! I would be interested to see how the 2070 stacks up aginst the 1080ti as it looks to beat the 1080, and as drivers get better! if in the market for a high end card price to performance the 2070 will crush i think all games, 1080ti still bottlenecks a few cpus from only a couple of years ago!
I had a 1070ti with an 8700k and was great for what I needed it for. I upgraded to a 9900k with the EVGA 2070 xc ultra for around the same price I got my previous setup and am extremely happy with the performance with no over clocking. I guess my nephew is happy too with his first pc build with my previous cpu and gpu LOL.
So last generation, 1070 was as fast as 980 Ti. This time, 2070 only a bit faster than 1080, and costs more than 1070 Ti. Also, EVGA really dropped the ball with this shitty 2000s plastic look. I'll keep my EVGA 970 for now...
980 ti easily beats 1070 when both are overclocked. a custom 980 ti beats a custom 1070 out of the box. 980 ti is an oc monster. 1070 is pretty much maxed out from the start.
Can get them as low as £459 in UK which is pretty good. The 1080 goes for the exact same price at the moment. This is a fantastic sign as long as they don't get sold out and get priced up
Just built my new PC. Had a 960 4gb and got the 2070. I am a very happy man indeed. Didn't buy it for the RTX, i went with performance for my money. 1080ti are hard to find new and I didn't want to risk buying used. 2070 almost performs as well as 1080ti so made sense to me.
well it is here but nobody can get one until 2021.... by then.. they had like few more month before super come out.. this is why i moved to console and laptpp...
@@nutloaf 3070 are here.. time to kick youselves for not waiting... what game you play it with anyhow..? more good RTX game come out in 2020.... with DLSS2.0
@@campkira No kicks needed, the RTX 2070 is great for me. Runs my games at 144 fps what more do you need? You don't need the best GPU to game nicely. I play FPS games mostly. My brother has the 1070 and it still rocks. Don't let the benchmarks sway you, the differences in the real world are hardly anything. E.G 2070 vs 1080ti 10fps difference in most games......unless Ray tracing is on then the RTX romps it....but Ray Tracing is just a gimmick at the moment and I turn it off :-)
I said it elsewhere, just because a company sets an MSRP does not mean that a retailer has to sell the product for that price. Fry's, Microcenter, and other retailers can set their own price and see if it sells. If it doesn't sell, then they lower the price closer to what they paid for the card from their supplier. Such are the foibles of a free market.
Why didn't you compare it to a GTX 1070? Sure the price is a lot lower but that is because of Nvidia's ridiculous price rise. The 2070 is supposed to be a direct successor to the 1070 so they should be compared with attention given to the ridiculous price rise. "it beats the previous generation at the same price point" Some people are going to take that as it is the same price as the 1070, which it isn't. The card is overpriced but you seem to think it is a good deal...
I personally don't care how a card performs or costs relative to it's predecessor. I care what this one costs and the cost of performance/power consumption relative to any other cards available presently. If the best card for my budget within my criteria, relative to all other cards, happens to have extra stuff that are presently useless...I don't care. If in the future it becomes useful, and I wanna sell, it'd be worth more. A 1080 doesn't have that benefit.
Totally agree with you - I've just ordered my 2070 to replace my ageing (but still awesome) MSI 970 gaming 4g, I'm so looking forward to be able to use my VIVE (and not think it's crap!)
I'm sure NVIDIA would find a way to let you give them the money and wait around until stock comes back up. Good luck finding one though, you're insane for wanting one, but Godspeed to you anyways.
@@bobbywhite6208 I can't justify this launch, but I truly hope you guys get everything you want out of it. Good luck finding a place that has some in stock.
Hey Jayz, thoughtful, well done review, but still, I miss something: With cards that are close in price and performance, I really miss the power each draws to produce their results. And you're NOT comparing cooling solutions capability in your open test-bench - you're comparing the combo of TDP and cooling solution. Temps should always be correlated with power-draw. Given nearly equal performance, you'd buy the one that draws less power and stays coolest both, if possible. My final point would be, that in the computer business, an investment in the "future" is always a bad one for consumers / users. Only large tech corporations or tech journalists *can* make that work for themselves. I'd keep buying 1080 TI's on ebay for another 2 Years unless Nvidia drops prices. (cause I don't think we'll see anything useful from the new bits of architecture till then), UNLESS you stumble over a specific game that just won't run well at the resolution you want, and ~30% more would actually solve the problem.
When games are optimized correctly for AMD hardware schedulers, it runs on par or better against a lot of nivida cards. Lazy developers produce lazy results. Lower level APIs are up and coming and slowly coming to fruition now. Hopefully we see all products run better because this. Nvidia brute forces older APIs with raw power and AMD gets left behind due to these lazy reasons. Proper vulkan and Dx12 shows this already.
you are so wrong, Nvidia sinks resources into the games were AMD does not, and what has shown in the past when a game has AMD tag on it Nvidia always seems to be gipped as were most of the issue with Nvidia tag game and AMD performance comes with Nvidia GameWork features, its not just up to the game developers to optimize their games for said GPU its also on the GPU manufacturer to optimize their GPUs for the top games on the market to make people want to buy their GPU to gain the most FPS Also Nvidia does not brute force APIs with raw power, they do it with optimization typical AMD GPUs are more powerful than Nvidia GPU I.E they run on larger BUS but that does not matter if you are not optimizing your GPUs to play the current popular titles
@@Kirinketsu_ I'm not wrong in the slightest. If a game is poorly optimized from the get go not taking advantage of hardware in general on all mainstream gpus, the team working on the games are setting the GPU manufactures up for failure from the get go. Of course there are nvidia and AMD sponsored titles. DOOM was the shining example of hardware/software implementation. AMDs GCN hardware schedulers were fully taken advantage of in that title and showed great gains in vulkan where as nvidia didnt show remotely close to the same gains that AMD because of proper implementation for both cards and 10 series having a lack of hardware schedulers. (2xxx supposed to have some). AMD can do minimal optimizations on their driver end to help but not nearly as much unless they have the time and money to sink into assisting developers in these regards which the company im sure is limited in their budget to do so.
@@duckyHsGaming sigh so wrong but keep spilling fake news, btw the reason Doom ran so well on AMD was due to Nvidias lack of DX12 and Vulcan support and had nothing to do with Dooms dev team or Nvidias lack of optimiztion, something that greatly changed with the TitanV and the 20 series that alone should show you why you statement is wrong when Nvidia releases new GPU that are DX12 and Vulcan API GPUs and they now gain huge FPS gains in those API's over not only the 10 series but AMD GPUs
@@duckyHsGaming crash course on DX12 and Vulcan API, it allows developers to optimized their games closer to a hardware level to the GPU something that can only really be done with DX11 API by Nvidia and AMD team members please do some research before posting
Where I do agree with you...but there are mad sales on 1080s, and online people are selling 1080s between 300-350 which is a no brainer comparing, but it could be debated
id rather buy a used 1080ti... Here u can get them all the way down to 500 dollars used... Noone even knows if any developers will actually adopt the ray tracing thing either.
Just got a MSI Gaming X 1080Ti for $520, also the GTX 1080 was released 2 years ago, I would expect at least 30%+ for the 2070 at around the same price, unfortunately this is just another disappointing launch for me imo
Reposting from another post: Presumably, the 2070 has the same binning system as the 2080 and 2080ti. If so that means the "reference" 2070 is the one on the "lower grade" chip and not permitted to be factory overclocked. If AIB partners are selling at prices closer to the already overclocked "founders edition" cards, then it is likely that they are selling the "higher grade" chips that are permitted to be factory overclocked. If all of this confusion is correct, then we will eventually get the lower grade chips being sold by AIB partners at closer to MSRP. In fact you may see more of those lower grade chips on sale once AMD release Navi. Especially if at the high end Navi is on par with the RTX2080 just as the RX Vega 64 was in the same bracket as the GTX 1080 and not the GTX 1080ti as countless reviewers started running comparisons of because of the retailer inflated pricing. I watched Jesen's 2hour presentation and from the very get go reviewers have been confused by the change in strategy by Nvidia regarding their founders edition cards. So they keep referring (in some cases) to the FE cards are reference cards even though they are not. I for one can see why Nvidia did this especially after the crypto excuse for price gouging by retailers last year. So with Nvida selling overclocked cards directly; something I hope AMD eventually start doing too, it means that there is, in theory at least, an upper limit price control. If, I don''t know some store, CanCompParts decides to put an asking price of US$1500 on the ROG RTX 2080 (not the RTX 2080ti), and I can get the, again OVERCLOCKED RTX 2080ti FE card directly from Nvidia, then I will know CanCompParts are price gouging and trying to rip consumers off so I would go directly to Nvidia. This type of shopping around is something reviewers and tech journalists should educating gamers and people buying these cards on rather than simply attacking Nvida on the pricing of the Turing cards. Jensen earlier in the year did say GPU prices weren't going down anytime soon, so this level of pricing should have been expected. Basically in what I see as Nvidia's new FE pricing setup, US$50-US$200 (depending on AIB overclock and other customizations) above the OVERCLOCKED Founders Edition card price becomes an upper limit for the pricing of these cutdown Volta GPUs Nvidia named Turing. Only EVGA KINGPIN or custom PCB or water cooled and equivalent RTX 2080ti/2080/2070 GPUs should justify a price mark-up close to the US$200 level.
Nice shorter snappier review- a bit easier to digest than the other more in-depth reviews. Perfect for 'The Answer' to a general "How is it?"- Well Done 🙂 I'm pretty interested in this card as my setup is likely to max out at Ultrawide 1440p at 60fps
@JayzTwoCents Do a video similar to Paul, comparing the OC vs non-OC variants of chips that end with A vs non-A. His MSI 2070 Armor non OC (400) is able to OC to high clocks, but it crashes for no reason. Making a point that we are being dealt 2 different or bad binned chips that are unstable at lower prices.
Forgot the 1050 3gb and 1060 5gb you can get your hands on both. Order of cards: GT 1030 ddr4😔, 1030 gddr5, 1050 2gb, 1050 3gb, 1050ti, 1060 3gb, 1060 5gb, 1060 6gb, 1070, 1070ti, 1080, 1080ti, titan X pascal, Titan Xp, titan V, RTX 2070, 2080, 2080ti. Other cards worth mentioning on Nvidea's side gtx 680, 780, 780ti, 970 3.5gb 😏, 980, 980ti, Titan X Maxwell. These all can still play games well btw and are a good alternative on the used market for the price.
over here in Australia the new 2070's (multiple board partners) offer great value as they are the same price range as the 1080's while getting a significant performance boost. 1080TI's still sit at a stupid price premium over here.
Hello Jay. Awesome channel! Keep up the great work! You can add one more GPU to your list of 13. NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000. I guess this one is a new GPU for professional use, but know how gamers are.
Good vid. Nostalgia kicked in high gear lol. How did it feel testing and shooting again in the old studio space?
Coalition Gaming CROWDED! I kept tripping over everything!
@@Jayztwocents sounds like you definitely had a "I missed shooting in here" then "oh right, didn't miss that" moment haha.
Miss the old studio a lil
I miss this setup takes me back also. Feels a little more personal.
@JayTwoCents what Vega do you use, because the score is too low? Not even at Power Save mode (176W cap) a Red Devil, LC or Nitro has such low scores.
If you use Strix, hope you know the engineering defects with the VRM thermal pads that are too thin and don't touch the cooler yes?
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nice copy paste
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Y lmao
LOL
No folder
But if somebody is going to build a PC and is gonna get a 1070 Ti, why not spend only 50 bucks more and get a 2070?
And that is the question I asked myself. I bought the 2070. Price was on point. I did spend 80 more for the MSI Duke. Just because I want to overclock it or at least see if it will.
Im currently building a PC coming from a console so I know nothing about PCs. What should I buy? 1070Ti ($379.99 USD) or 2070 ($499.99 USD)?
@@Leo9az 2070, but where did you find the 1070ti for 380
@@IhsanAmin on newegg
@@Leo9az either a used 1080ti or a 2070 imo
2070 benchmarcks might go up a little more once nvidia comes out with driver updates.
If you cant find a cheap 1080ti I'd go with 2070.
I think that beating the previous generation at the same price point should be the bare minimum.
Which would be the 1070.
which they fail at big time
Moore's law is pretty much defunct, so expect that it will become increasingly harder to do so.
That's even greater reason for prices to drop: with Moore's Law dead, the same facilities are used and there is no upgrade cost to recoup. Though it should be said Nvidia went large (expensive) die, which is basically all you can do at the end of a process, so they aren't exactly cheaping out. On the other hand, this architecture has been for sale for a month and a huge chunk of that die remains inert.
this!!!
pricing makes no sense.
2070 is 500 and 2080 is 850.
So if you want something better than the 2070 you have to spend 350 bucks more...
nevermind the fact the you don't get more bang for your buck than 2 years ago by raising the price of every new model on the market. It's BS from Nvidia. 2070 should have the same price as the 1070. Same for 2080 and 1080. I guess the current install base is not their target as they won't be upgrading.
"This is the most advanced iPhone yet"
Slash Le Pew Well, the 1080Ti is better in terms of gaming performance.
You can literally get a gtx 1080 for the same price :/
Dennis Blalock Why would you do that when the 2070 is obviously better than the 1080?
The "future-proofing" of these cards with ray tracing is silly and pointless. By the time RT is actually implemented and considered a sought-after feature, new, superior cards will be available. Especially since Nvidia have proved that they have zero qualms about flooding the market with cards to choose from; they will milk that cow however they can.
Exactly my thoughts!
It's a chicken and egg problem though. It needs to come out for devs to start making games for it. I think a lot of people will wait for the next gen for the same reasons, but it's super cool that this came out so that that can happen :)
+callum well yes, its nice, but nvidia asks way too much for their rtx cards, thats the main problem of this new gpu lineup
1. The next gen cards wont be cheaper than rtx 20s right now anyway.
2. The pascal will perform even worse anyway in the future and you will need to change vga with high expense anyway.
3. It will be at least 1 and 1/2 or 2 years for next gen.
4. Rtx2080ti actually hit the dream wish of 4k 60fps.
So yeah. I bought 2080ti and dont regret it.
Exactly. First gen tech may be exciting, but usually a poor investment.
by the time those features get implemented in enough games for it to matter there will be new gpu's that can do it better.
This, so much this.
And u probably won't buy those also coz they will cost an arm and a leg. And then u'll be back here saying u'll just wait for the next cards.
Exactly.
Metro Exodus alone will be worth it if they implement RT in a way that makes it playable. And just being able to max out Cyberpunk 2077 in 1440p makes the investment worth it for me.
Shit, if Nvidia keeps this up and their timing is mismatched with next gen middleware development engines supporting raytracing we may be saying the same thing with the 3000 series. They need to put out a high performance, affordable GPU that supports raytracing. Otherwise it will not be worth it for developers to make their games with features a tiny slice of the market will ever afford to see.
Not a chance. Price is still rediculous. What happened to x70 series cards being $350. Now it’s $500? No that’s I expect to get an x80 series card for $500 and an 80Ti for $700. Anything outside of that is an absolute no from me. Wish others would start telling Nvidia no with their wallets and force the company to stop price gouging. I’ll stick with my 970. Maybe a1080Ti but the 20xx series can go die in a fire.
1080ti being sold by miners at the moment for 650€
Cero Ashura 650 euros is dumb high. You can get them for 550 $ on reddit, or 650 $ on eBay, and those are the good ones, like the ftw3 or the gaming x trio
Raisoko ever heard of inflation?
Yentl Van Tendeloo
I think its you who didnt understand the term „inflation“ very well, an RTX 2080 that costs 800 bucks and performs the same way that a 1080 ti does has nothing to do with inflation, the 1080 ti is 2 years old and has now reached MSRP in europe/germany (699€ / it should be at 400-500 now)
This is ridicolous, even with inflation that should have been a 5% increase of the price but not a 60% increase for the XX80 series (the 2080 sells for roughly 800 bucks instead of the usual 500)
Thats not inflation, its literally explained in the first minutes of any economics lecture: supply and demand & a market monopoly by those greedy nvidia cunts because amd cant get their shit together
I love it . I'll speak with my wallet and teach Nvidia a lesson by buying Nvidia's other cards .
Yep- lotta nostalgia from that room, Jay! I put together an AMD A10- 7850K APU computer for my wife, after seeing you actually gaming on one. 8GB of RAM, internal graphics cranked to the max and a 27" monitor. Still working great today, she's very protective of it! Thankz, Jayz!
Never mind the fact we don't have any ray tracing tech in games yet, we still don't have the tech from the 10 series cards in games yet (SMP, Simultaneous Multi-Project). Man I bought my 1080 with a triple monitor setup so excited for that tech.. and well, it never happened.. :(
Hahaha!
SMP is not only hooking up three monitors and got the display output on the three of them. From what I understand, it is to balance the weird looking perspectives of games where you pull in two sides monitor onto you for multiple display output, so you have basically equal distance to all of the monitor. But, the game sadly only render the game like you have 3 monitor in straight line, so it creates that weird looking graphic when you look on the edge of monitor that touch with the middle monitor.
Mufaz Dzaky i remember that! Sorry they never followed through! If history repeats itself, I guess I wont be taking an rtx risks until its actually proven.
The difference between SMP, which very few people would/could take advantage of since it requires multiple monitors (obviously), ray tracing would benefit anyone who plays a game that has that technology in place. This makes it something that has much more broad appeal for gamers than those looking for immersion in (mostly) car driving simulators and such.The same goes for DLSS, that's a technology that could benefit anyone who has the card and the technology is supported by the game. The 20 series RTX cards are offering both of these new technologies at the same time. Will either or both take hold and become used widespread among developers? Who knows, if they do then that makes the cards a much better value. If they don't then it definitely makes them not as appealing.
But how much of your life do you not want to be Ray traced?
Who's here watching this in 2021 and laughing sarcastically at those comments that $450 is too EXPENSIVE?
"Yay! the embargo on the RTX 2070 was lifted" said no one.
LOL Thank you Kyle[H]!
i said yay.... because im in the market for a card. and this is the deciding factor whether i buy a 1080 or 2070
Ronnie Rawdawg...and I guess you're getting a 1080 (unless you're under the delusion that its still over $500, even $400 is some instances)
Backflipping Concealed Carry Enthusiast Association That's a flat out lie. Its very rare that a product released in the uk will be correctly converted from it's U.S msrp. No, almost always it will be the same number, if its $550 it will be £550. This was true of the 10 series graphics cards, and all other rtx cards thus far. Just go and look at the preorder prices for any rtx 2070 and show me one below £550. Its a terrible value proposition whatever way you look at it.
yea i was able to even get a 1080 for like $320 USD. but i passed it up waiting to see reviews for the 2070, same with 9900k because im still on 2500k, 8gb 2133mhz, with a gtx760 haha i need a new build overall, so i was thinking grabbing GTX 1080, 8700K, 16gb 3000mhz ram
$450 is still a lot for an upper level midrange card.
Go back and look at how much the GTX 1080 and 1070 cost from launch date until around Feb
this upper mid-range card still beats everything from amd tho.
Meh, I'll stick to my GTX 1070.
Richard de Jager same
same dude
So do i
same here :)
1070ti for me. Was worth the $500, I'm not upgrading anytime soon.
Im gonna call it.
When ray tracing games out, RTX 2070 will not have enough power to run ray tracing games, shit tons of 2070 owners will regret buying it.
might end up with class action lawsuit, 970 all over again.
The 2070 super should be able to run anything rtx at ultra settings 1080p for the future atleast as of right now it crushes everything 1440p on ultra and rtx
pure progress do you think my 2070 super FTW3 ultra+ could last for quite a while?
@@iTomper well only time will tell and if u stick to 1080p yeah anyone with 2070 super should be solid.
pure progress thanks man!
watching this almost 4 years later, I can say that the 2070 has future proofed itself by a longshot
for a split second I thought this was uploaded recently and I got my hopes up
Man people arguing about the price here. Wait till they realize the prices have doubled :(
You can easily find a GTX 1080 for under $500, let alone your $550 price point.
Yeah, got mine for $480 used on Amazon
Agree, got an EVGA 1080 SC with warranty until 2022 for 420€
Got mine for 300 on ebay mint condition
You can get a 1080ti for 530 or less on eBay, 1080 is less than 400
Take it easy princess. Stop screaming like a child on the internet.
Now 1080ti's are just as expensive as 2080 ti. Just buy a 2070 super and get better performance for cheaper now.
benchmarks start at 7:24
liking my own comment because why not
@@coltz-pun7871 don't forget to like the reply to your own comment!
oh yeah, thanks for reminding me!
@@coltz-pun7871 glad I could help
Thanks a ton!
Hi Jay, I hope your workplace doesn't get damaged by the weather and all the stuff within stays safe. Wishing all the best...
I didn't expect a title like this for any of the 2000 series cards.
Also, 9 minutes ago? I've never been this early to a Jay video.
it doesnt matter because the msrp is 600 which is already overpriced lmao
MSRP is 500, the FE is 600
Meh.Gonna wait for 7nm.
Might switch to AMD because I have a Freesync monitor.
I have an Asus Freesync 24 inch DisplayPort in and running on a RX 580
En er komt een RTX590 aan ( bron HWI.nl ) / And a RTX590 is coming probably soon. (source HWI.nl) HWI has benchmark score btw !
love people that know nothing about tech, just because it is 7nm does not mean it is going to be 2x faster than 14nm or 12nm, they are not using the same technology and its not true 7nm its the same as calling 16nm finfet 14nm when it is not
Kirinketsu die shrink in nanometers means more efficiency not necessarily more performance
The term die shrink (sometimes optical shrink or process shrink) refers to a simple semiconductor scaling of semiconductor devices, mainly transistors. The act of shrinking a die is to create a somewhat identical circuit using a more advanced fabrication process, usually involving an advance of lithographic node.
Unless you need ray tracing, don't upgrade to these turing cards.
Pierre Luigi Daet if windows redstone is out.
Oh w8, microsoft pulled it out for now
Whoops...
Nobody even needs ray tracing though, it still doesn't exist...
How long do you fuckwits want to live without witnessing real time tay tracing?
@@TheBrett1890 Maybe in gaming. Ray Tracing is used in rendering.
I got very old GPU (HD 7870 XT) and im going to upgrade to 2070 here is why
1) i have bad experience with second hand cards so no used 1080ti for me not worth the headache
2) GTX 1080 costs about 7% less than RTX 2070 here and guess what 2070 have 7% more power so the DLSS (mostly) and Plebtracing is just nice bonus for someone like me
But its true if you have GTX1070+ already do not upgrade to RTX its pretty much pointless
Thanks Jay for keeping everyone honest regarding the price to perf ratio of the 2080 :)
Nvidia has let me down. Unless it's gold plated, none of these cards are worth the price they are asking
Patrick PTMonk It does have some gold in it 😆
Why blame Nvidia? They don't control EVGA prices?
RT cores are really really really expensive to make. 12nm too.
@@kylefowler3333 dude, nvidia sells the core to evga, then evga customizes around it. their profits are small too, so they couldn't cut it down much if they wanted to
when you don't watch a video and make a comment.........bruh, nvidia makes the cards and other companies buy them off nvidia. EVGA and other companies are basically controlled by Nvidia on pricing since they need to improve the card, add better design/cooling and still manage to squeeze a few bucks for profit.
Aahhhh, the room where I began to watch all your videos. The nostalgia man. Keep filming there please! You rock man!
I upgraded to a 2070 from a 780 so I did get a huge performance boost but I am disappointed in its price point. I was really hoping it would be cheaper. I basically got a 1080. I had initially wanted a 1080ti to upgrade to, but they have basically sold out anywhere that would offer me a good 3 year warranty. So I went with this. It wasn't a bad purchase, but it's really not a good purchase either. Compared with the 1070 this is actually a really bad launch. The 1070 had a performance boost over the 980ti for $200 less. I was really expecting this to perform better than a 1080ti which I wanted in the first place, I just waited way too long to upgrade because of the crypto mining boom. Nvidia is asking me to take their word that Ray Tracing and DLSS will be worth the extra money which I can't do. So to anybody thinking of upgrading to this card. I would only say you should, If like me you are upgrading from something now a few generations or more behind. I really hope it performs well on the Acer X34P as that is the monitor I am upgrading to.
Just like me :) I got the 2070 now (it's on the way) and my GTX 780 still running, just waiting to be replaced :) I got the Zotac 2070 mini for 499 EUR ... Anxious to play Resident Evil 2 remake on it ;)
2070? Meh. Thats what i think. Waiting 2 years for something we already have. Reflections ? We had those for years, fake ones? Don't care, they look perfect to me. I can wait 1-2 more generations before we see real reflections with stable fps and good resolution. People tend to play with 120-144 hz nowdays. It aint just about 60 fps (or 1080p) anymore. Call me again when RTX can deliver 144 hz and reflections (and price)
Till then fps is king.
gsync should be able to convert your faith. Though, in competitive shooters I agree.
"Very little markup on graphics cards" is a funny sounding statement in 2021 lol
Awesome video Jay, always makes me nostalgic when a new card launches on your channel and it feels like I was just watching your 1070 review.
Side note- a GTX 1080 currently costs 350, a 1080 Ti is 500-600, 1070 Ti for 320, 1070 for 250, Vega 64 for 400. Everyone do yourselves a favor and save a few hundred bucks (all from ebay with non-blower styles)
i have the gigabyte rtx 2070 with 3 fans and i paid msrp for it and i love it its awesome
rtx3070 are here.. time to kick yoursef. for not waiting..
Awesome video Jay,helped me make a decision today to go and get the EVGA 2070 at my local Micro Center this weekend
The thumbnail looked like he splashed water on it for it to look cooler but then I realized it wasn't water
Lol
What stands out for me so far on the 20xx series launch..... I like the clear shrouds on the EVGA cards. Sadly, but honestly, that's it. Great video, Jay. Be safe over there in SoCal. I have other friends over there so I've heard about some of what's going on. We're starting to get some of it here in El Paso now.
graphs.... please give us graphs to look at, I had to pause multiple times to get the numbers figured out in comparisson to another ;)
brain... get a brain that can process information at more than 1 sentence per min.
@@shawnpitman876 i watch videos at 1.5x speed. With graph you need like half a second to compare the numbers. Why dont you get a brain yourself?
those don't had DLSS... welcome to modrern game.. with dx11 and dx12 and get DLSS2.0 and supersampling it not long just that anymore...
Here in Australia this card is $1079, in some places a brand new 1080ti costs $20 more than that to buy. If you think it's worth the money shop around you will be surprised at what you find.
You ask “What’s up guys!?” And then say something immediately not leaving time for us to answer 😂
Every youtuber ever
bobdabildr12345 r/wooosh
I pause the video and tell uncle Jay about my day.
It's nice and yet a little odd seeing you back in the old look. It helps to really show just how much you have grown over the years, and was a nice kick of nostalgia
2070 here in Australia listed as $1300 damn that is some gouging !!!!!
Jay, you asked for our opinions, and I'm gonna give mine.
I just got done completely building a new machine for myself and I have had several interesting things happen along the way, one of which was the 2070.
I was trying to buy a 1080, or 1080TI because a few months ago the price point on the TI especially used really wasn't bad at all, (bitcoin tanking and people selling off their cards...)
I didn't know much about the 20 series and when I saw they were basically comprable to their cheaper bretheren, I saw no need to get one.
Well, by the time I'd saved enough to get a card, the 2070 xc ultra was still 550$, and beat out 1080's in most tests while the 1080ti had skyrocketed to ridiculous costs as vendors ran out.
So I got a 2070xc and honestly I'm glad I did.
Yeah, the costs on these things are ridiculous, but I tend to try to buy something that's going to last me a few years instead of going cheap every 6 months.
This puppy really does seem like it will be a good performer and I'm glad I got it.
I also think the unused portions of the cards will give me that flexibility in the future where a 1080 simply wouldn't.
Now to be fair, I think I got a good chip as far as the gpu goes, but the memory...not so much.
300mhz oc on the memory, and I think 115 ish on the chip. It will hit 2055mhz before it crashes under stress, but the great thing is with the bigger fans on the xcultra it never really goes over about 55c...so the ray tracing and tensor cores could add a lot of heat to it without it being an issue. Even if it added 15-20c it shouldn't cause any real problems.
Anyway, thanks for the video
i think you just made my favorite comment ever. Like you even have the same buying style( Buy something that will last) as me.
All I see is that if we can buy a 2070 for 499 bucks, then there is no room for 1080 or 1070ti anymore...
You can get a 1080 for just over $300 if you look hard enough. Also, there wont be any 2070 under $550 and most will be around $600, just look at the preorder prices.
Yeah
That is a lie.
Look at today prices
1080 at 300. Lol
Now that skunk works is in the studio he does this home office video without it... Thanks for the review, I was sad to not see the graphs, reading numbers is hard...but seriously I loved your graphs on the RTX 2080/ti videos. Keep up the good work
nVidia pulled a GPP move on other companies....
The benchmark results screens in this video were sick! I love the blurred video behind
I like AMD over the others cause they get right to the point low mid and high great prices and your not over thinking what card would be best for me. But with that I still catch myself saying ATI man the good old days. Like the voodoo card to great name won’t forget that
Shawn is an NPC
No it’s being smart cause my 570 4gb plays every game I own and I have zero problems if it didn’t then I guess I’d go for the other companies card.
@@JoeyAnswer
"I like AMD over the others cause they get right to the point low mid and high great prices and your not over thinking what card would be best for me."
mhm, sure. backpedal harder.
your trying to hard to roast one kinda sad how people have changed since i was a kid. no backpedaling at all why would you want a large lineup of cpus and gpus? look at nividas line. for the everyday person who games on console or used to pc game would be overwhelmed. best regards
I don't understand how the 2070 beats last generation in gaming if it's priced ***STARTING AT*** 500 dollars because when you compare it to a 1080 which had a 500 dollar MSRP at launch it puts up pretty much the same performance. You are actually better off buying a used Pascal card in my opinion because if RTX is anything like the tomb raider leaks it's gonna be lackluster.
7:25 You´re welcome
So basically for someone in my position, (OC'd 8700k, Strix 1080, 1440p 75hz monitor) were screwed. 1080ti's aren't a massive leap over the 1080, but do perform better (again, not drastically at my resolution) but the 1080ti's are impossible to find new anywhere here in the US for a fair price. The 2080ti costs well over $1000, ($1300+, IF YOU CAN EVEN FIND ONE), and the 2080 costs what a 1080ti used to and performs about the same. I'd be getting like a 10% imrpovement, strictly speaking FPS wise. Trouble for me is, even OC'd my 1080 has a hard time in certain games achieving 75 fps at 1440p. So I want a new card that can for sure handle 75fps on ultra settings, but theres no card readily available thats remotely fairly priced that can do what I'd like. The 2080 vs 1080ti comparison is tough because performance wise they seem to be within 10% of eachother, but specs wise the 1080ti has the 2080 beat. One of those two is nearly impossible to find new, the other is an extremely poor value.
Well since it’s only 50-100 dollars more than a 1080 I’m still gonna get the 2070 lol
future proof.. 3070 come out and whoever paid for 2070 or get old GTX.. should be kicking thenselves.. this is why i moved to console and laptop.....
I like old studio much more, havent watched your vids very often nowadays, unfortunately. I dont know is it the new studio or what but... This is just like old times. Keep it up Jay! Btw thanks to you my computer vocabulary is now much better and its getting better. Good luck to beating Sampsa on that firestrike battle! 💪 Greetings from Finland!
Small EVGA logo on the fan blade, *kill ma*
hey jayz im a linemen for DWP we our working on getting you power back on. im sure by the time you read this youll be back up and run.. keep up the good work.
I think third party developer's should start making cards more durable rather then trying to make them overclockable. I should put this is context: my father's computer used to have a 128 bit graphic card. The card never died during the 15 years that computer worked. It was simply obsolete by then and could not be used in any new build. But that is a testament to it's durability. I bought my first graphic card in 2009 it was an xfx gtx 295 dual core. I ran every game that worked on dx10 on that card including the infamous crysis. That card lasted 5 years before dying spectacularly damaging my Mobo as it died. I won't argue here about fail safes that should be on a motherboard to protect connected devices, but point is that it died in 5 years compared to my father's graphic card. After it died I bought a gtx 980ti from gigabyte. I was already taken aback by it's shoddy build quality. The 3 fans were programmed to spin at up to 2000 rpm but the fans were built as fragile as a fly's wing. The only thing keeping the fan head connected to the rotary motor axle was a 3 armed clamp only a millimeter in size. As I expected they did not last. Within 1 year the first fan snapped. I removed it. The next year I lost the second one. Now I had a problem, with only one fan the card could not possibly keep the GPU cool enough to run anything. So I tried to jury rig 60mm fans on the metal shroud only to realize gigabyte made the fan connectors backward to prevent anyone from using alternate models of fans on the card. U either buy more of those shoddy gigabyte fans or risk burning out ur card. I took a third option, I bought two 140mm non-pwm fans from corsair and ziptied them to the shroud over the 1st and 3rd fan ports. I left one fan on the center port so the GPU would detect a working pwm fan and set it to never spin so it would not break. The design worked and my card was running cooler then before. But ultimately the card died the third year.
15 years, 5 years, and now 3 years. I am no expert but a GPU is the second most heavily used part of a PC after the PSU, how can graphic card manufacturer justify making their build quality worse with every new generation of GPU. This part of a PC should last as long as a decade without hiccups yet they are breaking down faster and faster. If cooling is an issue shouldn't the shroud design and wiring be versatile enough to allow people more or better options for cooling? I am paying as much as my entire PC is worth for a GPU then shouldn't I be entitled to a guarantee by it's makers that this overpriced hardware will serve my needs for 10 years before failing?
How hard is it to spot high binned parts before purchase?
@@coopergates9680 recent reports suggest even the third party nvidia GPU makers didn't know what they were getting either. The whole priority sales partners getting better quality GPU through binning was a bold faced lie. The only truth here is the worst quality GPU have more useless cores and are used for low end GPU models in a family based on how many usable GPU cores are available. Higher quality GPU have more functioning cores and therefore used for the high end GPU models in a family. As far as their life expectancy is concerned there is no way of knowing either way whether they will die on you in 5 years, 1 year or in 1 minute after u use it. It could die because of faulty circuitry in the GPU or because it is overheating while doing what it is supposed to do, this has happened with GeForce 3 series (the Nvidia card that was used in the first xbox). That's what replacement warranties are for. Best to buy a GPU new with a warranty preferrably 3-5 years long if possible. Because u never know how good the GPU is going to work.
In my country, the 2070 is sold at a price for a 1080 and the 2080 at a price of 1080ti. I was planning to get a 1080ti before the RTX releases but then I saw the prices and performance. Upgraded from 970 to 2080. If you are from the 10 series I don't think upgrading to a 20 series is worth it unless you have no problem with money.
Obviously you prefer to go and buy a GTX 1080Ti used/new!
this is why i find this channel to be the best, not click baity, full Of useful info without being boring, solid real world tests! THANK YOU JAY! I would be interested to see how the 2070 stacks up aginst the 1080ti as it looks to beat the 1080, and as drivers get better! if in the market for a high end card price to performance the 2070 will crush i think all games, 1080ti still bottlenecks a few cpus from only a couple of years ago!
BE REALISTIC ITS GONNA COST $600. NVIDIA IS STARTING TO PUT INTO PEOPLE'S MIND THAT $600 PRICE POINT IS THE NEW MID RANGE LEVEL.
it is already 600 dollars
I had a 1070ti with an 8700k and was great for what I needed it for. I upgraded to a 9900k with the EVGA 2070 xc ultra for around the same price I got my previous setup and am extremely happy with the performance with no over clocking. I guess my nephew is happy too with his first pc build with my previous cpu and gpu LOL.
Thanks for the info. Now everyone gonna buy this card and force the price up though. RIP MSRP
Thank you for being honest and not letting yourself be bought and do biased reviews!!
I'll keep using my RX580 until Nvidia fix the color banding issues on their cards.
Jay, you're freaking awesome man. Best PC channel on RUclips.
So last generation, 1070 was as fast as 980 Ti. This time, 2070 only a bit faster than 1080, and costs more than 1070 Ti. Also, EVGA really dropped the ball with this shitty 2000s plastic look. I'll keep my EVGA 970 for now...
Upgrade to a 1070, 970 is getting outdated
Same I got a Msi Gaming 4G GTX980 for $200 bucks, and it does just fine for now.
980 ti easily beats 1070 when both are overclocked. a custom 980 ti beats a custom 1070 out of the box. 980 ti is an oc monster. 1070 is pretty much maxed out from the start.
Can get them as low as £459 in UK which is pretty good. The 1080 goes for the exact same price at the moment. This is a fantastic sign as long as they don't get sold out and get priced up
1080ti,
2080 go back,
2080ti, I said GO back.
I dont get it
I'll go back for a 2070. Shoot me.
Turn down for what
Hans Behrends sorry what year is it again?
I got my MSI 2070 gaming Z for 499. Love it. Got it running a stable overclock to 2100mhz
Hey I have a rtx2070 but Shadow of the Tomb raider won't work when I use raytracing. Does yours?
Another year and a half to go until the 30 series cards come out and I’m going to retire my 960 4GB
Just built my new PC. Had a 960 4gb and got the 2070. I am a very happy man indeed. Didn't buy it for the RTX, i went with performance for my money. 1080ti are hard to find new and I didn't want to risk buying used. 2070 almost performs as well as 1080ti so made sense to me.
well it is here but nobody can get one until 2021.... by then.. they had like few more month before super come out.. this is why i moved to console and laptpp...
@@nutloaf 3070 are here.. time to kick youselves for not waiting... what game you play it with anyhow..? more good RTX game come out in 2020.... with DLSS2.0
@@campkira No kicks needed, the RTX 2070 is great for me. Runs my games at 144 fps what more do you need? You don't need the best GPU to game nicely. I play FPS games mostly. My brother has the 1070 and it still rocks. Don't let the benchmarks sway you, the differences in the real world are hardly anything. E.G 2070 vs 1080ti 10fps difference in most games......unless Ray tracing is on then the RTX romps it....but Ray Tracing is just a gimmick at the moment and I turn it off :-)
Thanks for the clarifying review!
its still out of my price range am waiting for the 2060 and 2050 TI XD
F*** the new videos in the studio this brings memorys back that i love Keep doing this Jay at least 1x per week i love it :)
You remind me of Sid from Ice Age :D
Jay! You're back in the Jay house! God I missed that place.
Jay-Z 2 Cents
Night Crawler U know he doesnt like that.
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I said it elsewhere, just because a company sets an MSRP does not mean that a retailer has to sell the product for that price. Fry's, Microcenter, and other retailers can set their own price and see if it sells. If it doesn't sell, then they lower the price closer to what they paid for the card from their supplier. Such are the foibles of a free market.
Why didn't you compare it to a GTX 1070? Sure the price is a lot lower but that is because of Nvidia's ridiculous price rise. The 2070 is supposed to be a direct successor to the 1070 so they should be compared with attention given to the ridiculous price rise. "it beats the previous generation at the same price point" Some people are going to take that as it is the same price as the 1070, which it isn't. The card is overpriced but you seem to think it is a good deal...
Do people compare the 970 with the 1070 no... They compare the 980ti to the 1070
+Krytern UK Compare it to GTX1070. OK. But this is a brand new card. So it must be compared to GTX1070's original price too.
Ekks Dee - GN disagrees with you.
Albert Mas - That is exactly what I am saying. With context of it being a new generation added.
I personally don't care how a card performs or costs relative to it's predecessor. I care what this one costs and the cost of performance/power consumption relative to any other cards available presently.
If the best card for my budget within my criteria, relative to all other cards, happens to have extra stuff that are presently useless...I don't care.
If in the future it becomes useful, and I wanna sell, it'd be worth more. A 1080 doesn't have that benefit.
The 2070 is a great upgrade incentive for those of us still running a 970. Definitely getting one soon!
Totally agree with you - I've just ordered my 2070 to replace my ageing (but still awesome) MSI 970 gaming 4g, I'm so looking forward to be able to use my VIVE (and not think it's crap!)
I got an R9 390 8GB. Should I upgrade to the 2070?
"13 cards you can buy today". My lack of being able to find a 2080 ti would disagree. :(
I'm sure NVIDIA would find a way to let you give them the money and wait around until stock comes back up. Good luck finding one though, you're insane for wanting one, but Godspeed to you anyways.
@@Bigdude0444 at mrsp, I found the 2080tis for 1k when stocked but not atm...just gotta wait a month or so :/
@@bobbywhite6208 I can't justify this launch, but I truly hope you guys get everything you want out of it. Good luck finding a place that has some in stock.
@@Bigdude0444 because 4k
Hey Jayz, thoughtful, well done review, but still, I miss something:
With cards that are close in price and performance, I really miss the power each draws to produce their results.
And you're NOT comparing cooling solutions capability in your open test-bench - you're comparing the combo of TDP and cooling solution. Temps should always be correlated with power-draw.
Given nearly equal performance, you'd buy the one that draws less power and stays coolest both, if possible.
My final point would be, that in the computer business, an investment in the "future" is always a bad one for consumers / users. Only large tech corporations or tech journalists *can* make that work for themselves.
I'd keep buying 1080 TI's on ebay for another 2 Years unless Nvidia drops prices. (cause I don't think we'll see anything useful from the new bits of architecture till then), UNLESS you stumble over a specific game that just won't run well at the resolution you want, and ~30% more would actually solve the problem.
When games are optimized correctly for AMD hardware schedulers, it runs on par or better against a lot of nivida cards. Lazy developers produce lazy results. Lower level APIs are up and coming and slowly coming to fruition now. Hopefully we see all products run better because this. Nvidia brute forces older APIs with raw power and AMD gets left behind due to these lazy reasons. Proper vulkan and Dx12 shows this already.
you are so wrong, Nvidia sinks resources into the games were AMD does not, and what has shown in the past when a game has AMD tag on it Nvidia always seems to be gipped as were most of the issue with Nvidia tag game and AMD performance comes with Nvidia GameWork features, its not just up to the game developers to optimize their games for said GPU its also on the GPU manufacturer to optimize their GPUs for the top games on the market to make people want to buy their GPU to gain the most FPS
Also Nvidia does not brute force APIs with raw power, they do it with optimization typical AMD GPUs are more powerful than Nvidia GPU I.E they run on larger BUS but that does not matter if you are not optimizing your GPUs to play the current popular titles
@@Kirinketsu_ I'm not wrong in the slightest. If a game is poorly optimized from the get go not taking advantage of hardware in general on all mainstream gpus, the team working on the games are setting the GPU manufactures up for failure from the get go. Of course there are nvidia and AMD sponsored titles. DOOM was the shining example of hardware/software implementation. AMDs GCN hardware schedulers were fully taken advantage of in that title and showed great gains in vulkan where as nvidia didnt show remotely close to the same gains that AMD because of proper implementation for both cards and 10 series having a lack of hardware schedulers. (2xxx supposed to have some). AMD can do minimal optimizations on their driver end to help but not nearly as much unless they have the time and money to sink into assisting developers in these regards which the company im sure is limited in their budget to do so.
@@duckyHsGaming sigh so wrong but keep spilling fake news, btw the reason Doom ran so well on AMD was due to Nvidias lack of DX12 and Vulcan support and had nothing to do with Dooms dev team or Nvidias lack of optimiztion, something that greatly changed with the TitanV and the 20 series that alone should show you why you statement is wrong when Nvidia releases new GPU that are DX12 and Vulcan API GPUs and they now gain huge FPS gains in those API's over not only the 10 series but AMD GPUs
@@duckyHsGaming crash course on DX12 and Vulcan API, it allows developers to optimized their games closer to a hardware level to the GPU something that can only really be done with DX11 API by Nvidia and AMD team members please do some research before posting
I'm not convinced amd is focused on gaming tbh
Watching this from Southern California, you aren't lying about those winds
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Nope.
Where I do agree with you...but there are mad sales on 1080s, and online people are selling 1080s between 300-350 which is a no brainer comparing, but it could be debated
well now I know which card I'm getting, welcome home 2070 GTX
Yes. It beats GTX 1080 and cost 50$ less. Great deal.
id rather buy a used 1080ti... Here u can get them all the way down to 500 dollars used... Noone even knows if any developers will actually adopt the ray tracing thing either.
@@GAMEVIDSnorwegian422 if you can get 1080ti for 500$… than it's a no brainer
Just got a MSI Gaming X 1080Ti for $520, also the GTX 1080 was released 2 years ago, I would expect at least 30%+ for the 2070 at around the same price, unfortunately this is just another disappointing launch for me imo
bruh used 1080ti are not 500 lol i found 1080 for 300 and 1080ti for 380-400 all the time just look around.
Reposting from another post:
Presumably, the 2070 has the same binning system as the 2080 and 2080ti. If so that means the "reference" 2070 is the one on the "lower grade" chip and not permitted to be factory overclocked. If AIB partners are selling at prices closer to the already overclocked "founders edition" cards, then it is likely that they are selling the "higher grade" chips that are permitted to be factory overclocked.
If all of this confusion is correct, then we will eventually get the lower grade chips being sold by AIB partners at closer to MSRP. In fact you may see more of those lower grade chips on sale once AMD release Navi. Especially if at the high end Navi is on par with the RTX2080 just as the RX Vega 64 was in the same bracket as the GTX 1080 and not the GTX 1080ti as countless reviewers started running comparisons of because of the retailer inflated pricing.
I watched Jesen's 2hour presentation and from the very get go reviewers have been confused by the change in strategy by Nvidia regarding their founders edition cards. So they keep referring (in some cases) to the FE cards are reference cards even though they are not. I for one can see why Nvidia did this especially after the crypto excuse for price gouging by retailers last year. So with Nvida selling overclocked cards directly; something I hope AMD eventually start doing too, it means that there is, in theory at least, an upper limit price control. If, I don''t know some store, CanCompParts decides to put an asking price of US$1500 on the ROG RTX 2080 (not the RTX 2080ti), and I can get the, again OVERCLOCKED RTX 2080ti FE card directly from Nvidia, then I will know CanCompParts are price gouging and trying to rip consumers off so I would go directly to Nvidia. This type of shopping around is something reviewers and tech journalists should educating gamers and people buying these cards on rather than simply attacking Nvida on the pricing of the Turing cards. Jensen earlier in the year did say GPU prices weren't going down anytime soon, so this level of pricing should have been expected.
Basically in what I see as Nvidia's new FE pricing setup, US$50-US$200 (depending on AIB overclock and other customizations) above the OVERCLOCKED Founders Edition card price becomes an upper limit for the pricing of these cutdown Volta GPUs Nvidia named Turing. Only EVGA KINGPIN or custom PCB or water cooled and equivalent RTX 2080ti/2080/2070 GPUs should justify a price mark-up close to the US$200 level.
hey JAY! i just wanted to say hi. hopefully you see this. Hi
I love the home studio! :)
Rather buy a used 1080ti 😂 for similarish price
nvidia has already started gimping pascal. won't be long before 2070 beats 1080 ti lmao.
just donwgrade drivers if you feel that they are doing that
Really enjoying your content Jay, facts and nothing but facts, exactly how it should be! You have a new subscriber.
Nice shorter snappier review- a bit easier to digest than the other more in-depth reviews. Perfect for 'The Answer' to a general "How is it?"- Well Done 🙂
I'm pretty interested in this card as my setup is likely to max out at Ultrawide 1440p at 60fps
@JayzTwoCents
Do a video similar to Paul, comparing the OC vs non-OC variants of chips that end with A vs non-A.
His MSI 2070 Armor non OC (400) is able to OC to high clocks, but it crashes for no reason.
Making a point that we are being dealt 2 different or bad binned chips that are unstable at lower prices.
So glad I picked up a used Windforce OC 1080 for $320 a few weeks ago instead of waiting on (and paying way more) the 2070.
Forgot the 1050 3gb and 1060 5gb you can get your hands on both.
Order of cards: GT 1030 ddr4😔, 1030 gddr5, 1050 2gb, 1050 3gb, 1050ti, 1060 3gb, 1060 5gb, 1060 6gb, 1070, 1070ti, 1080, 1080ti, titan X pascal, Titan Xp, titan V, RTX 2070, 2080, 2080ti.
Other cards worth mentioning on Nvidea's side gtx 680, 780, 780ti, 970 3.5gb 😏, 980, 980ti, Titan X Maxwell. These all can still play games well btw and are a good alternative on the used market for the price.
over here in Australia the new 2070's (multiple board partners) offer great value as they are the same price range as the 1080's while getting a significant performance boost. 1080TI's still sit at a stupid price premium over here.
Hello Jay. Awesome channel! Keep up the great work! You can add one more GPU to your list of 13. NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000. I guess this one is a new GPU for professional use, but know how gamers are.
Cheapest 1080 in Australia = $849. Cheapest 2070 in Australia = $940. I don't know man..
Great review. Thanks Jay, but do you think 1070 will be any good with ray tracing? even the 1080ti seems to struggle with ray tracing.
Nice card, but very cool to see a throwback style video, please feel free to record from your home office more often!
This just in: Jay STILL hasn't realized that Titan has been moved to its own Product Stack and the 1080Ti was the replacement for the Titan Xp.