Don't Buy an Electric Car! (My Honest EV Review After 25,000 Miles)
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2023
- Thinking about BUYING an EV? Here are the GOOD and BAD bits that you MUST BE AWARE of when owning an ELECTRIC VEHICLE. This is my HONEST REVIEW having DRIVEN over 25,000 MILES in my ELECTRIC CAR over the past 3 years.
Electric cars are becoming more and more popular as costs come down, charging infrastructure improves and the government introduces policies to phase out traditional ICE cars (Internal Combustion Engine).
There is a lot of misinformation about electric vehicles and this leaves many people asking questions like "Should I buy an electric car?" or "Are electric cars bad?".
The truth is mainstream media has created a social device between EV vs petrol cars, however, it doesn't need to be like this. It shouldn't be a case of electric vs fuel car as everyone has different requirements. You should look at your own driving requirements before making your own decision on the electric vs petrol car debate.
If you are buying a car and considering an EV, I would recommend watching this video and then deciding for yourself whether buying an EV is the right choice for you.
I discuss everything from charging costs (how much does it cost to charge an electric car in the UK), driving experience, range anxiety and more.
Leasing an electric car is one of the most tax efficient ways of owning an EV. I lease my Polestar 2 through my Ltd company and it works out cheaper than owning a traditional petrol or diesel car privately.
To find out more about car leasing or the tax breaks available on low BIK (benefit in kind) electric cars, please watch the following videos:
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• Car Leasing Explained: • Car Leasing Explained ...
What do you think about electric cars? Let us know in the comments below!
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Are all EV's exactly the same ?
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Even at Tesla supercharger stations, at temperatures below zero Fahrenheit, charging rates can decline by 80%, resulting in long lines and many cars being towed. This is what happened in the Chicago metro area recently.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL so are you pointing out an obvious problem that needs to be rectified if ev's are to make headway ?
@@waynefergusson9987 That's actually one of the minor problems with EVs. Other reasons are that so much of their value is tied up in the battery, and infrastructure will never be sufficient for the increasing percentage of people living in multi-residential housing. However, the main reason is that there is no net benefit to the $trillions required by all involved to switch to EVs. We'd be better off taking the $7500 handed to relatively wealthy EV owners and giving it to those willing to bike or walk to work. We could even give $5,000/year to those willing to do so to incentivize cities to become more amenable to bikes and walking. Even Americans make tourist destinations of places without cars, like Mackinac Island in Michigan, not to mention the obvious health benefits. I'm all for conserving things. How about you?
I live in a flat and so have no hope of charging at home. So many people live in flats and terraces with no drives, so would struggle to charge at home. Therefore, the cost of charging in public is the cost I consider to be the cost of an EV, so therefore it makes sense to listen to the articles telling me about the cost of EV ownership. EV ownership is just not practical for many people who don't have a house with a drive. Houses with drives are getting harder to find if your house budget is on the lower end.
You can't fill up with petrol at home either, but you're ok with a petrol car?
@@Brian-om2hh yeah because when I drive to a fuel station I spend less than 5 minutes at a pump to fill up. Currently charging EVs takes a lot longer than filling up a car and it is more expensive than being able to charge at home, so it's a no brainier for me
@@daisywarwick9444 _yeah because when I drive to a fuel station I spend less than 5 minutes at a pump to fill up._
Quite right, I'm in the same boat - Brian seems to be clueless on this...
@@Brian-om2hh Well, you can, if you have petrol cans at home.. However, you don't need to fill up with petrol each day, so the time spent at a fuel statsion, is way less compared to the time spent charging (for all those, who simply CAN'T charge at home) *in my case, I usually fill up my Prius once or twice a month..
@@Brian-om2hh Flat dweller here too, the infrastructure required to equip a block of say 24 flats with a SECURE private individual charging system would be nothing short of astronomical even if it was possible to have such a system. Home charging takes much longer to recharge the EV battery fully compared to public chargers so has to be done overnight. Home chargers around 7Kw compared to public chargers which are generally 20Kw to more than 100Kw. Flat dwellers would have to go the time consuming and more expensive route of public recharging if forced into EV ownership. Same applies to people living in terraced housing with on street parking.
The government has failed at deploying public chargers, but then they’ve failed at everything for the last 15 years.
Last 15 years?? More like since Thatcher. What did blair do??
Fyi I live in Cheshire and we are still waiting for mains sewage so forget charging points. 😂
But the majority of public charging isn't being installed by the Government, it is private enterprise who are installing it. The Government didn't pay for petrol stations either......
@@Brian-om2hhBut they totally failed to regulate it.
15 years. Try 80.
@@robertjones2053 This kingdom flourished when Blair was in power, what don't you understand?
On a trip to the West Country a 40 minute stop for a bite to eat and a recharge sounds okay, but obviously that depends on a charger being available. Sometimes you’ll have to queue for a couple of hours before you can get plugged in.
Driving two Tesla EVs since 2017, the maximum time I had to cue is 18 minutes. That includes two 1000+ mile road trips and lots of smaller ones too. But, if you have to depend on non-Tesla fast chargers, wait time could approach an hour at congested chargers.
@@hjkr7528 To achieve a 20 min stop & charge, you need the Tesla charging network. Wait until Tesla opens their equipment to your brand. The other brands are not reliable enough.
In 30years of driving I’ve never waited for a fuel bowser ever
@@spannaspinna In 50+ years of driving, my eyes were opened when test driving an EV about 7 years ago. It is so much more fun to drive. We’ve already bought 4 and waiting for #5 to arrive by end of year. We’ll never go back to ICE.
@@johnpoldo8817 Great, share your wealth so everyone in the real world can too...
It seems most ev owners don‘t choose a car based on their lifestyle, they choose an ev and adjust their lifestyle to the car. Which is exactly what 'they' want.
ironically 'they' want you to keep using gas because then you depend on them unlike with electricity. The failings hes speaking of are very avoidable, but are not, and thats deliberate. 'they' dont actually want you to drive electric.
Also, most EV owner choose an EV because it fits their lifestyle. They have a home and can charge there and they dont drive several hundred miles a day. It's rather you who chooses an ICE vehicle because of the perceived convenience of just 5min at the pump. You are still massively dependent on global politics and economics, which you would be less of, if you had the means to generate your own power source. Again, thats why they dont want you to drive electric
Yeah, planning my day-long journey just to find charging points hoping there is one vacant charge point is gonna be a headache.
@@gamtax absolutely
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@@fetB You‘re very confused, none of what you say makes sense. How are you less depedent on them when you have to rely on the grid for power supply, power you can‘t store. Any combustible is mobile and storable, ready for use.
I recently visited the UK where I stayed in an old Victorian town, Cleveland. All the big old Victorian houses have been converted into flats and their gardens concreted over for parking. The roads too were completely full of parked cars all day long. How are all these drivers going to charge their vehicles? If you live in a block of flats in London how will the necessary infrastructure be provided?
It won’t that’s the thing. But then they won’t be able to afford to buy an ev in the first place.
I live in Canada. There are charging issues similar to what you have explained. It is best to own an EV for local commutes. If going on a long trip it is best to plan very well the charging stops. The charging infrastructure is sort of acceptable in Quebec and Ontario, but in the rest of Canada charging along the highways can have issues. Many EV owners, if they want to take a long trip they lease a rental car for the trip, or they own a second vehicle for long trips.
For people who live in apartment buildings, and have to park in an area where they cannot have a charger this becomes a serious and annoying issue. I tell people to only buy an EV if they have a guaranteed place where they can charge their EV. If not a better compromise is to get a plug in type hybrid. This can run on battery only, if you can have a place to charge it.
As for myself I will not buy an EV. I would have to be forced to buy one.
So in other words if you don't exclusively drive locally you have to own 2 cars. This whole EV agenda is a huge scam.
Everything about EVS is horrifying. From toxic battery metals to windows and doors that don't open with the car burning at 4000 degrees with your family inside.
Same here. Forced.
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I've driven EVs and have family members who have them. It is possible to open the doors if the battery system is dead.
I have a gasoline SUV and the doors are electronic. There is a manual latch to allow for opening the doors if the electrical was to go dead.
There is one popular EV on the market that has quality issues when it comes to the finishing and how the panels fit together when compared to the others. In this one if the battery goes dead there is also a procedure to open the doors quickly. Instead of a receded lever under the inside handle you have to life off a cover plate near to the door lock. Inside is the lever to move. If the door is opened this way on this type of vehicle the door trim will require service because the window will not properly go down to clear the trim. It is a dumb design.
When owning any type of vehicle it is important you know how to get out of it fast in case of an emergency. Most people don't properly learn their vehicle.
As for EV driving, if you have a good type of model they are terrific to drive. The charging is the issue for most people. EVs are best for local commutes and using your own charger at home.
When ever would you even have to consider renting a car for a long journey when you have a perfectly good car yourself.... It concerns me that people are even considering this from all the media they are fed... keep posting the truth
I understand the technology perfectly. I have two boats which I've converted from ICE to multiple DC electric motors. However, these use conventional batteries (don't need to worry about weight). These are charged by solar when not in use so have a long charging period (don't use them everyday and barely at all in the winter).
From that technical stance, I have no issue with EVs. I do have a problem with the lithium based batteries. These are extremely expensive and obviously constitute a high percentage of the cost of the vehicle. Daily use will reduce the efficiency in charging cycles and they'll need to be replaced at 6 to 10 years. That will be more than the vehicles value in that period.
If there was a battery exchange process perhaps that would alleviate the problem.
On batteries, these contain many "rare" elements that require deep mining with conventional techniques involving diesel equipment. They're not going to be emission free until a considerable mileage of some 50-70K miles. At which point battery replacement will be required adding to emissions again.
If a battery is damaged, if there is fire or not, then replacement, again, leads to further emissions or scrapping the vehicle.
Given that EVs are still a small percentage of road vehicles and you've pointed out the public charging issues, then doubling the number or even the 50% that government wants will make the situation worse.
The whole 2030-2035-2050 goals are not going to work until alternative cheaper batteries and a full infrastructure is in place. Windmills and solar are not going to do that unless there is massive investment made in power provision at load source.
On the subject of fire, yes ICE cars do it too, EVs with lithium cells are difficult to extinguish but ICE cars are a known quantity.
I've noted that some insurance companies are refusing to insure EVs because of this and the surrounding damage caused.
The whole industry needs to be developed properly and not rushed. Government and climate change evangelists are doing just that, rushing for flawed reasoning.
@justthink5854 is not thinking. Just spewing.
Your description of the issues faced when using public chargers was absolutely spot on! I had my first experience of public charging recently - it wasn't great! Despite doing all the things you described, such as planning stops along the route, downloading apps in advance etc. I was not prepared for the number of chargers either out of use, or that would not accept my payment cards (including a dedicated EV charge card with funds pre-loaded!) meaning I had to download different apps and agree to funds being 'blocked' on my account before I could start charging. Not to mention the aggressive behaviour of some other EV drivers in competition over the chargers, and were not prepared to take their turn. On a positive note, I found that avoiding motorway services made for a better experience - it seemed to me that if I was prepared to drive a mile or two off the motorway to charge I paid less and charge points were more readily available. I am better prepared now for my next big trip. I have a home charger but if I was not able to have this, I would not consider an EV. The overnight cheaper tariff makes charging very inexpensive and convenient.
Just wait until Karen plugs in her EV at the charging station and goes shopping......you know that will be a thing without a doubt.
@@msgmak1379 It already is in the city centers. They live in apartments down the block so they just leave them there until their next trip, which could be a week or 2 later. There is no use case where EV are superior, despite what a lot of people keep trying to push in the comments.
"very inexpensive" - except they are already bringing in per-mile road tax, and if they base it on weight... your EV is heavy.
I think the term 'business' is quite key, not all can claim for an EV, and when the business rates and subsidies become less and less. The cost is the biggest hurdle and the recent concern is rising insurance costs and the potential of home insurance premiums going up for home charging. I'm still on the fence and have done the maths several times and currently it's a huge cost for us to swap. My car usage scheme with my government job doesn't include EVs on their current mileage claim form, so it would be 100% my cost, and the leasing or financing would be several thousands of pounds more per year. So in effect I would be giving myself a pay cut. A diesel is still the most efficient and affordable route for us. But a great video that was a balanced account and did answer many of the issues that we have. Thanks for your time making this video.
cheers for the vid, was never sure on a ev. hoping to get one through my work and always wanted to be sure on charge more than anything. Would the charge still be good if done through 3 pin?
3 pin is about 10 miles per hour. Home charger twice that speed.
Question, What details do you have to provide to be able to charge your EV???
I don't have to provide ANY personal information when buy Gas at the petrol station.
I take my personal very privately.... My GP and medical file don't have most of my details, they have NO phone number or address for me....
Meanwhile in the last month there have been in excess of 1500 public chargers, including loads of motorway services getting huge upgrades and increased numbers.
Could you say why you chose Polestar 2 over a Tesla?
Thanks for your video. I’m thinking about buying a EV through the business but don’t have a home charger. I know there are tax advantages but would you buy an EV through the business and rely on public chargers to claim back as expense?
Get a home charger
sorry if I missed you talking about this......but how does cold affect your EV? Just sitting there in cold temps the battery charge goes down. In comparison a ICE car gets less MPG in cold temps. So if you are home for the weekend during the winter and dont drive your EV. How much charge will your battery loose just sitting there?
Practically none but in cold weather batteries have a double whammy. They cannot take as much charge and you need the heater and AC on which depletes the battery very quickly.
Do you think the UK government should set a price cap on public electricity costs (on a sliding scale for speed of charger)?
Yes, but the speed of charging shouldn’t make any difference to the Unit price. In fact, faster chargers should be cheaper than slow charging as you’re taking less time and allowing others to charge.
They could make a start by dropping the 20% VAT to the same rate as domestic electrricity, 5%
I had a family friend who died through tiredness. I ALWAYS stop after 2 hours on long trips. I usually stop for about 20 minutes, so changing that to 30 minutes won’t kill me.
It's what the highway code recommends, 15 mins every 2 hours. But an EV will cope with 30 mins every 4 hours if it's a fast charging model . 20 mins every 2 hours would be a doddle for most EVs.
I’d like to know how you get a full charge at cheap rate when the maximum you can get is 6 hours at 7.4kwh which is about 36kwh yet you have a 70kwh battery? Or do you mean to charge it back from 50% to about 90%
I’ve had a MGZS and it was nice but at the moment I’ve had to give it back to Mrs, and go back to using my Diesel, it does 830 miles on a tank that costs £80 to fill, once a week. Yes most days I’m doing 180 -250 miles.
Should have bought a Tesla Model Y really but then it’s a massive increase in cost especially when I charge it back to my business.
On Octopus Intelligent all charging is charged at the cheap rate as long as you use smart charging which is when you set when you want your car to be charged by and let Octopus decide the charging schedule. This means in the summer when there's abundant energy in the grid, my car will start charging as soon as I plug it in at 5pm and will often be charged before the off peak time kicks in.
@@dmn1000000 Think you have this backwards lol, they charge it when rates are cheaper and that certainly isn't between 5 & 9pm at night when on the whole there is a drop off of renewables. They also charge it when they want to not exactly when you want to if you want cheap rates, unless you say you want it charged in the next 6-8hrs and then you don't get cheap rates, you get their increased standard rates.
@@jlrguy2702Mate i own an EV, a charger and I'm with Octopus Intelligent so I think I know what I'm talking about. All smart charging is charged at the off peak rate which is 7.5p/kWh no matter when it charges. If I force charge outside the off peak hours then I get charged at the peak rate which is 32p/kWh of thereabouts but I never do because I don't need to.
Also you've just repeated what I said while bizarrely disagreeing with me. What I'm saying is that in the summer when there's a lot of extra energy due to extra solar and wind energy and people not using the lights and heating, my car will often start charging straight away even if it's outside of the off peak hours. In the winter it won't start until after midnight even if I plug it in at 6pm in the evening. Hope you understand now.
@@dmn1000000 And I do, I have a MY, so I know what I'm talking about. But you don't get off-peak prices at 5pm if you need it charged by 10pm, which is what you suggest. Great that you now agree with what I said in the first place. Just in your case you never really need to charge a fully depleted battery otherwise you would figure out what I said in the first place.
i need to know the following;
Rate of tyre wear and tyre cost
insurance costs compared to standard same size ICE vehicle
possibility of a write off after a minor collision that an ICE would be repaired
Knowing that displays fail( as did mine in an ICE vehicle) how much to replace the display.
lol @ the bird on the roof - but that aside - this is a great real life review.
I always thought home charging would be my main source of charging if I ever bought an EV but I know how life works.
Its the one time you do a long trip that something will go wrong...
We're probably typical, and have done 4 long trips without an issue as the key is planning, We went to a 12 bay site AND away from peak times. This will become less important as more of these superhubs (see Gridserve's offering) are built.
I don't have a cell phone, would I be out of luck owning an EV?
Yes. If the card reader is broken, the cell phone app is the only way to activate the charger
They don't make good towing vehicles do they? I am someone who resides in a hilly remote area, I pull different trailers with either my and or my wife's 4x4's, both are diesels . I guess this scenario doesn't quite fit the EV lifestyle choice. However the supermarket in our nearest town, the public car park now has a public charging point. However the car park in question is used for market days, so for 2 days it is non-readable for use.
Do they have a difference in moving power when the battery drops to a lower percentage
You do lose a bit of acceleration as the battery gets lower, but not a huge difference (unless you take it below 1%, then yeah it can get a bit sluggish).
Nah, not until the 1% turtle mode.
An ice should technically get faster the less fuel in it as its lighter...
Imagine a tesla with a 5kwh battery. It would weigh so much less and would be rapid..
Great commentary about your EV experience Darren. Cheers!
There is nothing wrong with internal combustion engines.they are quite honestly amazing!
Exactly!! It’s just another government scam to get everyone to buy a electric car
Very good point about needing loads of different apps for all the different chargers, same as the hassle of buying a parking ticket these days. Just imagine when your bank issues you a new card, you will have to update the details on 15 charger apps. What a hassle. I fill my Diesel car once a month, no app needed.
*I'd have thought you flew a spaceship with that swede tbh*
So what about towing a 1600kg caravan on holiday to Italy in a couple of days like i can do easily with my diesel.?
Exactly
Or just hire a static there and drive an EV. It's not like it's mandatory to tow these things around
@@Lewis_Standing Haha EV's are shyte
Have a diesel generator in your caravan
You will only be towing it the the outskirts of your 15 minute city in 10 years time
Apparently insurance is about to become a serious issue in EV ownership, damage to the battery is usually a write off.
Insurance...I am buying a 1 year old Zoe. The insurance is the same as my existing Smart. Friends Rangerover car engine has just completely ate itself and the insurance company has written it off.
My EV insurance is less than my ICE car was.
We'll see about that. It takes a while for actuarial tables to get made.
Our 2018 Tesla Model X cost seven times as much as the 2012 Honda Civic that it replaced. Yet, our insurance went down! This is because we received a green incentive from our insurance company. What a pleasant surprise that was!
Gas is the new dinosaur. Open your eyes, driverless EVs vehicles can charge without help.
Accidents will drop way down. But the uneducated will still be scratching their heads.
good job! waiting for your next video about “ev through company”
What about your road user fee when it starts if it hasn't already
Great review - one point though - home charging is by far the cheapest - as there is no tax applied, unlike Petrol/Diesel fuel duty. It must only be a matter of time before some sort of tax will be applied, I would hazard at a guess that it will be some sort of mileage charge. With a measure point being the MOT.
It is interesting that Toyota is going down the route of hybrid cars, I'm guessing going for the section of the market that cannot charge at home, [flat dwelers, etc].
Toyota is promoting hybrid vehicles because they have a giant investment in building engines, transmissions, and hybrid motor/battery packs. They don’t want to scrap those production lines. Lexus and Toyota launched horrible EVs that are not selling. Now, their sales people tell buyers EVs are don’t sell.
Hybrids are obsolete except for special use cases. 300+ mile EVs are readily available at competitive prices when total cost of ownership is included. 98% of the time, most of us drive under 50 mi per day.
I don't understand why you can't just pay with your debit or credit card instead of using a different app for each vehicle charger.
Exactly - so why should people have to use their phone (if they have one) just to fill up. Crazy
It is all by design.
Instavolt used to allow that. May have changed as its been a while but they were brought by a dirty oil company and the prices were jacked up. (probably to deter people buying EVs)
CONTROL!
It's because dirty oil owns these companies and they wanna deter people from buying an EV by making charging in public shitty.
You can pay for gas by putting in your debit card and inputting the pin... Why not electricity?
You should be able to put in exactly how many kwh or moneywise you wanna buy too before it starts.
What have your experiences been with charge being lost over time if the car isn't used?
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3:14 doesnt charging to 100% degrade the battery faster?
I've suffered from range anxiety in a petrol car. I remember it clearly it was 1983.
LOL I always have a petrol tin in boot
@ashwayn that means the range u can get from your boot is larger than a lot of electric cars total range🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes but you no there is a petrol station fairly near and working that's a one off thing not like ev no chargers about
I had range anxiety once when I was 18 years old, not long passed my test. I put diesel in my mums petrol car. I got about half a mile and broke down. 😧
@@nottmfunguy That's not anxiety, that's stupidity ! 😂
you failed to touch on insurance. They are becoming uninsurable i heard. Whats your experience? Have your premiums gone up?
My EV insurance has gone up a bit but so has my daughters with her petrol Fiat.
yes, the insurance on my Enyaq has gone up £50 this year to £430, pretty much in line with my daughters Fiat Panda - Fairly similar to our Previous Corolla hybrid and 320d.
EV Vs petrol insurance have increased by the same percentage
How much more do you pay for standard electric if your off peak is so cheap?
Its wrong that wealthy people who can afford to buy an EV can benefit from cheap electricity which is to help poorer families.
@@richardlewis5316it's because they are encouraging off peak energy use, so that wind overnight gets used instead of wasted, and extra expensive gas peaker plants aren't turned on.
@@richardlewis5316Anyone can get an off-peak supply, just ask your provider. We had night-store heaters 40 years ago on a white meter'. Now it's much easier.
Your range from 70+ kWh battery is low. Is the Polestar bad for miles per kWh. I think we are only just starting to hear about fuel consumption in EVs even though it is as important as mpg.
There's a sweet spot for the battery as far as the battery size due to the weight.
Did you know hydrogen tanks have to be 4x the size of petrol tanks for the same amount of energy stored?
New battery technologies will be coming out in another decade.
what about the loss of value of your car ?,, you will be lucky if you get anything for it , also how about how much car insurance will cost for the next year
Depreciation on new cars is always a killer - A diesel Audi A4 loses 38-47% of it's value in 3 years. Don't buy new cars, especially ones in which the market hasn't settled down yet. Personally I saved 12k on a year old Enyaq with 6k miles on it. I've got no intention of selling it as it is a great car.
so what you are saying is , don't buy an EV as the marget has not settled down yet on them , hence the price cutting going on , will take your advice and will not be buying one , only those who jumped in and did not look hard enhough as to what was happening are the only ones with them , many thanks for your advice
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Re home charging, on a domestic supply you typically put 10% more energy in the battery than you get out due to heat loss the higher power public chargers don’t have this issue. In the USA now it is typical for home insurers to specify that your EV must be parked and charged at least 50ft away from any buildings or other vehicles due to the number of houses that have suffered damage when the BEV has caught fire. Food for thought.
You are in the UK. In the US I worry about insurance, cost of minor repairs, cost of battery damage, cost of the car including depreciation and erratic resale value. Worry about flooding, worry about power loss due to storms. Quality issues such as rattles, general quality as compared to high end ICE (Lexus, Toyota). Tire wear, spare tire. Fire including setting my house on fire. Insurance?
Thank you for this. As an EV owner with 30KW I agree with your comments about range anxiety. But you have missed a point which has been painful. When you buta gallon of juice, the pump is under cover. Most chargers are out around the back (somewhere?) and when its raining and in the dark very trying to use especially if you don't belong to that chargers club and there is no WiFi signal. Even as a guest, each club has its own order of getting a charge. Now put the card reader nice and low so a child can use it, cover it with rain drops and the lower the reader, the higher your temper will rise. You will be lucky to start a charge within 3 minutes, while the rain runs down your neck. Another one to watch out for is the hotel chargers. You need to sign in at reception else you will get a bill. Then if the charger is only 22Kw (many are just 7) you will have to go out at 2 in the morning and move the car else get an over-stay penalty.
You must have made this video some time ago, as you can now pay 79p/kw. If in the Torbay area, the only Chademo is at Lidl where the charge can often be limited because of lack of power to the charger and the queue..............? I have a friend who is mad on money. He works out the cost of every KW he buys. He even tried to get his wife to dry her hair at 2 in the morning. He found that the cheap night charging rate with a more expensive day rate made the tariff he was on, more expensive.
Interesting view point, we started using EV's back in Nov 2018 a Nissan Leaf 24kWh, with about 84% SOC, which gave about 20kWh of useable energy to drive with. That's 2 thirds less than you advise people, and at a time when chargers were even less easy to find out between charging points. We live in mid Wales, and when we started out, only one 50kw charger existed at the beach in mid Wales. So in that time frame we have added 50k miles to the clock, been down south 5 fives 500 mile round trip. Plus we been to Germany 4 times in this car, driving from mid Wales to Munster via an overnight ferry from Harwich to the Hook of Holland a trip that would take a day and half to complete and cover 1,080 miles. Not once have we run out, and the problem with chargers has been minimal in our experience. Only once did I experience range anxiety, and that was because I miss calculated at the last charger and left too soon. So if at the age of 63 can do it, with a pritty basic education, I am sure most all others can with the right can do attitude.
Well done sir
500 miles in a 24kwh Nissan leaf, with a max real world range of about 90 miles?
Never mind Germany, with around 600 miles one way.
A change in driving, I wouldn’t even use a Nissan leaf as a daily driver, never mind one with diminished range.
I drive over 100 miles a day.
I’ll leave that one with you..
Do you believe that people have common sense?
Do you believe that people can add, divide or multiply two numbers?
I have a BMW i3, I did 700 miles in Scotland in one freezing day, I charged 7 times and I didn't have a problem. Never had any range anxiety.
My car didn't loose any value because I bought it used (4 yo with 16k miles) at 1/4th of the price that had new and I can sell it now (two years later) at the same price.
At 95% of the time I charge at 9p at home. I make almost 4m/Kwh so it costs me 2.25p/mile, when my old diesel was at 15p. I make 5k every year, so I save £600 from fuel and at least £200 for service.
A used refurbished battery costs right now 4-6000 pounds but my battery is still at 94% of it's health. I can pay a battery from what I saved from fuel every 4-6 years, (they pay you for the old battery) or they refurbish your old battery if you want to leave it there for 2-4 weeks.
You know what? I don't regret it, I love my golf cart.
@@chrishar110 I think you talk out of your ass, 2yrs ago you couldn't pick a 4yro i3 up for 1/4 price, especially not with 16k miles, you can't even pick up a 4yro I3 now for 1/4 the price.
Your looking at 4-6k for a used battery not a refurbished battery, so please check your facts.
I'll agree charging at home is cheaper than any ICE car on the road, but not when using public charging.
I'm glad you only do 5k miles a year, I do 35k miles a year and don't have hours of time to wait charging it up on the way. 7x charges on a 700 miles road trip, your off your trolly.
By the way I have a Tesla MY 2023 plate, but I gave it to my Mrs after figureing with my mileage in 4 years it will be worthless.
So now in the week for work I stick to my X-trail that does 830 miles on one tank that cost me £85 to fill, it also won't break the bank if it needs a new engine not that it will when serviced as the engine's good for 300-400k miles.
@@jlrguy2702 I got my i3 for £13k. I am talking for a used battery that was checked and had replaced any faulty cells (that's what I mean refurbished) for 4000 the 32Kwh and 6000 for the 42Kwh.
I’m a service engineer who’s doing 30,000 miles a year in a EV. We lose staff due to the company electric fleet policy. I charge for over 5 hours a week. I’ve had a 7 hour round trip take 13.5 hours due to broken chargers and waiting for busy chargers. I only charge on the public network and it’s mostly 79p a kilowatt for the places I have to charge. I’m praying I’ve got an EV with a faulty battery that catches on fire and smoulders onto the road.
Yeah makes sense for guys who can easily charge overnight to work for that company.
@@edc1569not if you work on the road man
What is more combustible to a naked flame, petrol or batteries?
@@gavinbroughtonYou can put a petrol fire out!
@@davidowen2859 you can put an electric fire out too. It takes a bit longer only if the fire brigade don't have the right equipment. It's just not a reason for not having electric cars. It's happened anyway whether you like it or not. The tipping points already happened.
In 1976 I bought a Ford Cortina Mk3 it cost £1,575 I drove it every day for 25 years, then bought a Volvo 240 for £600, used it for 4 years, then a 1992 Ford Fiesta Mk3 for £400, used it for 15 years and now have a 1999 Nissan Micra that cost £1,000 including fully serviced with New MOT so total cost of cars for 44 years of daily driving only £3, 575, (The Cortina and Fiesta I still own) and their values have risen to more than the cost of the £50,000 EV, now that is sensible and cost effective motoring. as I know the EV battery will not last 25 years, and the EV will not be worth £80,000 even if it survived till it was 50 years old, and had around 4 new battery packs fitted at a cost of around £30,000 plus each time?, realistically an EV will be scrapped once the battery pack gives up, meaning far more pollution and resources used to produced a replacement vehicle, my Fiesta engine 1.3cc petrol, was professionally rebuilt when I bought it, costing only £1,200 a hell of a lot cheaper than a new EV battery pack. true I pay more for petrol than currently EV owners do for Electricity, but watch the price on that sky rocket if EV's are everywhere, it wont be just 70p then, I remember back in 1974 petrol was only 50p a Gallon, and look at the price now. for only a liter.almost 3 times as much, as the ! gallon cost.
My simple way to work was 380 km about 240 miles and in winter times the temperature may plummet to -26 Degrees Celsius, I was never in this favourable position where my work place was only 25 km / 16 miles away. For me an EV is a pain in the but. With my old diesel which I bought for 2,500 € I have a range of 1,000 miles if I drive with truck velocity on the motorway, so why would I spend a fortune for an EV ?
Do you make 5-6 hours every day to go to work and return? That's £60-70 for fuel every day. Why do you work if you have to spend so much time and money? I think that you lie or you are crazy.
A very useful and fair review, thanks Darren. I like the look of the Polestar and my neighbour has just got one. Once I’ve got a charger at home I’d consider one for our local use. Very happy to keep our Volvo XC60 diesel for long journeys.
I had the same idea and initially kept my ICE diesel but after 10 months and less than 500 miles sold it, now thinking of getting a Tesla (currently have the MG4 standard range) and a second short range for the other half
Just keep the diesel why pay that much for using short journeys and going into town silly
I'd go for a Polestar over a Tesla. The Polestar began as a Volvo concept car, and Polestar took it over, developed it and produced it. Polestar has lots of Volvo design elements, particularly the seats. You won't find better seats in any other car.
@@Brian-om2hh agreed, the Volvo seats are amazing 💺
Just jumped over from a Sun online article expecting an EV-hating video aligned with their weird agenda. What I find is a well-rounded accurate review. Well done Sun Online you've just played yourself LOL
Is not the charging cost from home 28 pence ish per KWh?
7.5p with Octopus.. will it last?
Would it not make sense that you could plug in at any charger and use a contactless payment??
@Jack-lo1uc Some don't allow that. You have to use the app.
@@MasterMalrubiusNot for long, In UK every charger has to have contactless payment. If they don't they have to change it in next few years. They make a trick that you pay more on contactless and save if you have the app ar if you register. That's why most of the people have many chhharging apps in their phones.
How's your power grid doing? Any idea what will happen when the majority of car owners own an EV? People come home and start charging around the same time, compounding on the already existing peak hours.
At least it will force a government into implementing regulation. On the other hand, you will only be allowed to charge outside of peak hours.
You charge at night on cheap rate tariff. The grid can cope. They currently have to shut down a lot of generation which you and I have to pay for. EV's make the grid much more efficient.
The public charger network is considerably better than it was back when I bought back in 2021. There is far more availability and that is increasing by 100's of chargers monthly and it is far more reliable than it was.
Yes. We're basically 10 years into mass EV production, so there is a way to go. I can't imagine the petrol station infrastructure was too clever 10 years after the introduction of the motor car either. Everything has to start somewhere.
@@hjkr7528 according to the SMMT sales of BEVs are 27.5% up over the sales last year. 286,846 sales so far this year.
What about the insurance cost?
I do wonder if using a card like the Electroverse card might be a bit of a game changer for the vlogger? I have the same experience but in the last 6 months I've found Tesla opening up, contactless payment being around more and finally they have figured out the Tesla model that you need multiple chargers. It seems stupid a year ago it was sites with at most two chargers, now I'm finding places popping up with 10-20 chargers.
Clickybaity title considering you yourself would happily buy another electric car, but generally a fair an interesting insight into electric car ownership. I leased a BMW i3 as my first electric car through my business (made a lot of sense in terms of taxes as you say). Great car but i found the charging infrastructure on long journey's to be dire and so I did the obvious thing... and swapped it out for a Tesla Model 3. Completely different world. I drove from Newcastle to Cornwall without a single issue this year, no Zap Map, no planning even, just let Tesla and their amazing chargers do the job. The electricity is even generally cheaper on Superchargers than at non-Tesla rapid chargers. So my question to you is, why didn't you get a Tesla? Polstar is a very fine car but the charging infrastructure and experience is just leagues better in a Tesla and I wouldn't go back.
Thanks for this review, well balanced. We have both petrol and electric and charge our EV from a 3pin at home. Its perfect for 95% of our needs. It's a company car and I think the only sensible way to have one at the moment.
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Good luck driving Melbourne to Sydney in Australia. The trip is about 600 miles.
Have a look at Bjorn nylands Channel, he does a 1000km or 600m challenge.
A petrol car did it in 8 hours 45 mins. Fastest EV did it in 9 hours 30. It's no Biggie really is it. Personally driving so far in any car in a day sounds like torture.
This video is brilliant. Thank you. It’s really helped. I have been really stressed out regarding if to buy an EV . I am going to be leasing one at a fantastic price for on a personal lease. It’s coming in June. Such a premium brand I jumped on the deal as this will be my only opportunity to get into such a fantastic car. It is a 70kw battery and will give me 215-240 realistic range . I will be getting home charger too . We don’t do lots of miles . Only at weekend may branch out with kids but not 100s of miles. If we do then like you say we will just top up on the way. It will be out first EV so we was really confused . As lots of negative comments regarding range and this and that.
They should just use debit/credit cards like all the other fuels. Or even prepay cash.
Most of the newer chargers do. It has been a legal requirement for around 18 months now, for a newly installed EV charger to have a contactless payment facility......
Base price of a polestar 2 is £45k and it is now more efficient with a bigger range. Agreed 100% with your analysis though.
wait 2yrs and you'll get one for £5.00
@@lordkered the car will be worth zero but you may get the £5 for the furry dice
£45000, lol
Great video, honest and realistic views. I’ve had mine for 3 years also - and couldn’t have said it better myself. Can’t wait to get rid.
Cambridge to Peterborough takes 57minutes, just wondering what else is inaccurate?
Home charging won’t always be cheap… Soon Electricity used for car charging will be taxed at the same rate as petrol. A smart meter can recognise when a car is charging and a higher rate for electricity will be charged … Why do you think the electricity companies are always pushing smart meters?!!
How they will recognise if I charge my car or I use my kettle or my tumble dryer? If they tax it I will put solar panels and a battery to charge for free.
The government will not accept less taxes. They always want more money. If enough people are driving EV's they WILL put higher taxes on electricity. This is how it always goes.
Don't confuse EV vehicles with either Teslas or with the UK government's failure of EV chargers.
Tesla super chargers are becoming the standard in the US and hopefully they will step up in the UK deploying more that every EV car will use.
SORRY BUT: Tesla Superchargers are NOT the standard in the US, the Tesla CONNECTOR is becoming the standard plug - other charge providers will be able to make their chargers with the Tesla Plug (NACS). Moving everyone over to the same plug will not sort out the issues with charging either here or in the US.
The issue is, and this has been well documented by home charge provider Myenergi, that the car manufacturers are not implementing the standards correctly. Indeed TESLA weren't implementing the standards correctly, and it's the standards that mean that charging works all the time.
Tesla had the forethought to make a car AND a charging network that THEY controlled. This had the advantage that they got all the intel on why their chargers weren't working and quickly sorted it out - which was doubly helped by them having over the air updates to their cars and their chargers.
BTW the NACS plug will probably never become the standard on this side of the Atlantic - the EU mandated CCS2 as the standard in Europe for the exact same reason the NACS will be the de-facto North American standard.
@@terryjimfletcher it doesn't surprise me that the standard for EU UK and US will be different, just look at the plugs in our homes for everything! NACS will be the US standard though. Tesla super chargers will become the US network as every Electrify America charger breaks.
The government says it's aiming for net zero which I personally feel is folly but in any case I'm not sure whether it should be government or the manufacturers who pay for the network (Tesla do it very well).
Utility costs even for home charging have shot up, much more than price of petrol or diesel. Then take into account the huge tax levied on petrol and diesel which will move over to EV eventually and the economics don't look great. When governments try and convince us to do something but don't seem to do their bit I think it's wise to sit tight. Maybe they already know that another technology will replace EV soon.
My home charging costs for my EV are £280 a year for 15,000 miles. A petrol car would cost me nearly 2 grand.
Home charging costs are not an issue.
Good video and mirrors exactly what I tell people. We have had at least one EV since 2016 (i3 then a Zoe previously). Currently we have two EVs Tesla Model 3 LR and Volvo C40. Both similar real world 220 to 260 mile range. Both are salary sacrifice cars and in 18 months I plan to retire and both cars go back. Then I will need to buy cars with no BIK perks. Plan is to get one EV for local trips, something like a used E-Niro. Then for longer trips go back to ICE, something like an A6 Avant. We will do much more European touring when I retire and while driving a Tesla across Europe has been largely OK, it’s not completely pain free and I’d rather have the lower hassle of a diesel cruiser in retirement.
I drove a 1971 Chevy pickup for 28 years. It's range on a tank of feul was around 160 miles. 16 gallon capacity at ten mpg.
Ok. My 2018 Silverado gets 550 miles per tank
Charger network - one big reason to get a Tesla (if you are going to get an EV...) . Full use of their supercharger network. They got it right in this regard - put the infrastructure in to support the car/users
They just forgot the east from Great Yarmouth all the way up.
Tesla's charger network might be the best, but from what I can gather their drive motor battery packs can't be repaired. So as long as you don't have any issue with the battery, especially when the warranty period comes to an end you'll be fine. But if something does happen and the battery needs to be scrapped along with the whole car probably, it's going to set you way further behind financially than if you bought an economical ICE vehicle and paid for fuel and scheduled maintenance.
Why buy a EV?
How are you getting electricity for 9p per kWh? my supplier charges 31.8p per kWh
My Octopus Intelligent off-peak tariff costs me 7.5p per kwh. And I get 6 hours per night at that, and 32p per kwh through the day. You clearly are not using an off peak EV tariff. Your 31.8p per kwh is the normal daytime rate rom your supplier. You can ask your energy supplier to be switched to an off-peak tariff, but some suppliers require you to verify ownership of an electric car.....
Wonderful run down of pros and cons - thanks!
Two concerns that continue to put me off. One is battery integrity - even a relatively minor "clunk" and the battery has a big question mark hanging over it. Another is battery degradation - even if there are several years before it really starts to bite. If you fully make the most of your sporty EV, with lots of fast acceleration and fast charging, it will take its toll on the battery and the consequences will be: lower power (for driving and longer charging), less capacity (range) and greater losses (cost per mile). These are not definiite stoppers, but they are complications I'm happy to keep away from.
If you rev your engine at 6000 rpm all day you will need to replace it much faster. Does it make a point?
@@chrishar110 The point is that the battery is the key component and so many things cause it to degrade or call into question its integrity.
An EV driver might use a 100kW charger for 1/2 hr recharge mid-journey, but high power transfers degrade the battery whether charging or in motion. It takes 5 minute to refuel an ICE car and there is no impact on degradation.
I can go over a speed bump on an ICE car and could be unlucky to suffer some minor damage. With an EV, even a minor scrape or bump can damages a cell, and it could be catastrophic. You have little or no idea until it happens.
I accept EVs save inner city emissions and this is a good thing for people who travel a lot in built-up areas. But that's not me, and I can only see big drawbacks to an EV which means I'm not a willing buyer.
@@gufpott I had a car that blown the engine on 5k miles. Does it happen every day? Does it happen to everyone? How often can it happen? If I had to think like that I wouldn't walk on the road because somebody drove off the road and hit a pedestrian.
I am happy with my EV, my battery is still on 94% of the capacity after almost 5 years, you are happy with your ICE, so the life goes on. I paid for my car and I will pay for any damages, you paid for you car, you pay for your fuel and services, everybody pays for his selections and mistakes, so you don't have to change my mind, I don't have to change your mind too.
@@chrishar110 Yes, I agree, we all wish to make choices on what we value. My original comment explains why I value owning an ICE more than an EV. It's fine for you to have another opinion and make your own choices But there is a difference here - the UK Government doesn't want to leave me with my choice and judgement because it wishes to abolishing ICE sales in just a few short years and deprives me of my own judgement and choice Which gives me another decision to not voting for arrogant parties who wish to impose their views on me despite my own judgement.
Where I live, non-official electric car repair shops started popping up. They can, in regards to battery, replace just the degrading cells of the battery very very cheaply, among other things. On the other hand, if you go to an official Tesla repair shop, for example, they will not be bothered to replace individual cells but try to get you to replace the whole battery for a new one, even if it is not neccessary at all. Also, I know it sounds shady when I say "non-official electric car repair shops" but they all are professional car mechanics who adapted to the evolving car landscape and started focusing on electric cars. Pretty neat. Not to mention they will repair any other thing on an electric car much much cheaper than the official service shop. I don't know how it is abroad, but as electric cars leave the warranty period, a whole new market is emerging for electric cars that will need to get serviced, and people will look for solutions on how to do it cheap.
what happens if you lose your phone when you're on a road trip 🤔
I think more charge points are now using contactless, so just use that.
I was waiting for you to discuss about the cost of maintaining your EV and the price of replacing the battery after 4 or years. I guessed that will be too much discouraging.
Why does nobody talk about the average monthly (private) cost to own an EV vs ICE over say two years? Including purchase and sell price.
My Kona EV has cost me £527 a month for 36 months. Insurance £400, £500 then £900 ( I had a bump). Fuel costs per year £0 (free at work) then £150, then £280 ( miles increased).
A petrol Kona would have cost me £588 a month , don't know re insurance but similar, but fuel would have been £4750 in total.
Total EV cost £21230
Total petrol cost £27700
Not included servicing there but £10/month service package has covered the EV. Never paid so little in a petrol car, stats say EV 60% less service costs.
So very happy with my faster, quieter, cheaper, more convenient and much better for the environment option.
Your welcome for the info. Anytime.
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Sale prices for 2020 konas on auto trader are in the EVs favour. So seems better all round.
Fortunately i still have a petrol vehicle for the 0% road trips ive done all my life lol. If its too far im flying lol
Teslas charging network in the UK is excellent. They are over 99 percent reliable. I plug in and it charges automatically. There's great availability of chargers. It was 43p per kWh to charge yesterday. I have no range anxiety. The car navigates itself to charge points on any journey.
EV = AV. Anxiety Vehicle
There are 1,841Tesla supercharge stations in the U.S. with California having the most with 363. and seeing that the U.K. is 1.7 times smaller than California this would mean that the equivalent superchargers in the UK would be around 242. At present there is about 115,000 gas stations in the U.S. However, at these supercharge stations their charging output is reduced when more than one vehicle is charging so it takes longer. If all petrol stations reverted to superchargers, most would be turned off since the load would exceed the grid capacity very quickly. The average UK house consumes around 3500 kWh per year, these superchargers dish out up to 250kWh per charge which means that charging 42 Teslas at the same time with an average charging time of 15 minutes uses up the amount of energy of the average household in the UK in one year. There are about 30 million cars on British roads, imagine what would happen if they decided to charge their cars at the same time and even if restrictions are introduced at hourly times it would still mean that over 1.3 million cars charging per hour is the equivalent consumption of 30,000 houses in one year and that is just for one hour of charging. But there are also around 7 million commercial vehicles and some of their batteries are significantly bigger. When are people going to realise that EVs will be unsustainable when a saturation point is reached, you can work out how many EVs would do this, it's not very large.
Maybe so but in the grand scheme of things if that's all you had then it's not suitable for many
Hi, thanks for this useful video, I am driving ev for 2 years, driving to outside home city is nightmare, so that I decided to rent a petrol car if I need to travel outside London
I do a low mileage. I considered an ev but the nicer ones, like the polestar2, are expensive so I decided to stick with petrol. I also saw some scare stories about insurance premiums.
If you are doing low mileage I would say you are making the right decision. My EV costs only 2.5p per mile and I bought a six month old car and saved a fortune. Insurance isn't really a problem but it has gone up a bit.
Glad to see you’re doing an insightful video (other than the housing market crash) that is useful to small business owners 👍
I’d rather the useful videos on the housing market
@@twominutesturkish6664 how can it be useful if there’s video after video from April all saying the same thing.
Not only this channel, but several others have been creating a frenzy of house market crash videos so be aware of the hysteria.
Also, if caught up in the hysteria, take a step back and be aware of any confirmation bias.
I have an MG4 Trophy and just love it. Free charge from solar panels cheap charging overnight and a really great drive. I will never go back to an ICE car
Charging at home, and charging for free are something that never occurs to people who berate EVs.
Every time I pass a petrol station they are queueing up. Takes me 20 seconds to "charge" my car, because I plug it in and do something that I actually want to do. I never wanted to go to a petrol station, but I had to, and I had to stand out in all weathers, in diesel soaked forecourts and got ripped off for doing so. Oct 2023 £1.55/litre that's 15p per mile at 50mpg, EV at home 2p per mile.
Excellent and informative video. Thank you. The secondhand car market will kill EV’s. The battery represents around 40% of the cost to build a new EV. As the car depreciates, new owners are exposed to that cost. Also, my insurance broker refuses to insure Teslas.
Thanks! A very balanced and level headed description, told from experience (unlike many of the comments on here from folks who sound like they've made up their mind without trying one).
Nice video. The issue I have with the government's push for the switch to EV is, like you said - it's not for everyone! I'm a QS and often have to make multiple site visits a day at the end of the month; it is not practicable for me to sit waiting for my car to charge and waste any additional time further planning my journeys. But I can see how an EV is ideal for someone with short commutes and journeys, saving time and money (when charging from home).
Other things that I believe are worth noting are the longevity of the battery, the cost of replacement and the second-hand market.
The depreciation of EV vehicles will always be poor as the battery has a much lower lifespan in comparison to a combustion engine. Moreover, a damaged battery will almost always be a right-off and repair shops won't want to sacrifice their space due to the quarantine recommendations.
Again... people need to assess their own situation - one size doesn't fit all.
You are big on assumptions.
@@BioniqBob tell me which assumption you think is unreasonable
@@Poolumpingas LOL TMTL
Cost of a brand new EV: 50,000
Cost of a similar ICE vehicle: 30,000
EV value after 6 years of driving: 10,000
ICE vehicle value after 6 years: 15,000
Total EV value loss = 40,000
Total ICE value loss = 15,000
Difference= 25,000
Maintenance cost is the same. EV doesn't need oil changes while it needs expensive heavy duty XL tires more often than ICE vehicles.
This.
Why does the ev loses so much more of its value?
@@andrei3586 in most cases no warranty for the battery after 6 years. Very expensive to replace the battery if it dies. Sometimes it costs $20,000 to replace the battery on a used EV
A 400 km range under the best conditions is terrible. An EV (if cheap enough) would be ok as a commuter car. But here in rural Australia they are a poor choice. The charging infrastructure is abysmal here. They might be ok in a tiny place like Great Britain, but they are far too limited in bigger countries in my view.
Have been driving an ev for 2.5 years and loving it.
My biggest issue I had here was me not putting the cable in fully donut didn't start charging, happened twice I think.😂
But here in the Netherlands I have 4 public chargers in walking distance. Last Wednesday visiting relatives Inhaf the choice of 3 chargers in around 150 meters.
Cost of public charger here in the street is 25c per kWh.
I'm not going to bother putting in a charger at home although I have 28 solar panels on my roof.
It's all about infrastructure. The netherlands have 30% of all the chargers in Europa.
Went to south of France 1300 km a few times without trouble every 2.5 hours we needed to let the dogs stretch their legs and the time we walked with the dogs and had a coffee (15 minutes) the car was charged again for more then enough for the next 2.5 or 3 hours.
Next car will be petrol again nonetheless. We could private lease this car for ffing cheap (Kona 64kwh for 300€ a month), but I refuse to spend more then 6 to 8k on a car and the 2nd hand EV's don't exist for that money.
So probably back to a nice Saab again.😊
I think that the EV needs a major redesign before mass roll out. They need to be designed with modular batteries.
Not really, teslas work fine, plenty of old model s’s driving around on 10+ year old packs.
The UK charging infrastructure needs a lot of work. Cars are great.
No, you don’t get my point, the Tesla’s are fine I am sure. It’s the infrastructure that will be the huge challenge in the coming years. Only a matter of time before the infrastructure charging point availability is overtaken by demand for charging.
Not sure what a modular battery is then.. removable batteries.. no..
@@gavinbroughton yes, that’s it.
I'm always intrigued by these "don't buy an EV" stories as it's so down to the individual use case. The charging infrastructure is clearly the biggest drawback but if you never go far and can charge at home, who cares? For others, buy a Tesla! Range anxiety is a thing, particularly when reliant on non-Tesla infrastructure. But again, it's not a problem if you never go far and if you do, buy a Tesla.
Cost is an issue though. Sure, it's not so much an issue if you can charge at home and I'm sure that it's great to be able to get a full charge for £10 on cheap rate overnight 'leccy. But what nobody talks about is the additional cost for your day time rates which go up when you switch to one of these overnight cheap tariffs. So, have you done that cost comparison? And can you share it?
Overall, as a petrol head, and someone who does drive regularly over 400 miles in a weekend and often to North England and Scotland, I'm almost at the point of accepting that EVs can work. Give me a diesel hybrid with 60 - 70 miles battery range and now you are definitely talking!
Don't buy an EV, if you must, lease one. According to Cap they lost 30% in a year. That's not 30% from new thats an additional depreciation on a 3 year old car this year compared to a 3 year old car last year. Many dealers have decided not to take any more used EV's.
@@davidowen2859 thats not even considering the environment damage caused by ev's (recent studies have found that they are far worse than gas cars)
@@frostyflameff4003 how can that be? Who funds these studies? Just look at overnight power in most countries. In the uk it is almost always 80%+ wind, nuclear and hydro. With the rest biomass and gas. And please don't start going on about Cobalt in the batteries , modern LFP batteries do not have any Cobalt in them.
@@davidowen2859 all modern tech drops in value. I spent almost 1,000 pound in a 486 PC in the early 90, by 2000 it was worth about 150 pounds by 2005 probably with nothing...... but so what it still worked and the only way to stop old tech falling in value is to have no progress in tech at all.
@@patdbean the battery as a whole. such as lithium. the power vs petrol is nothing in comparison
I have had three EVs the current model is Zoe GT LINE i have found the EV to be amazing and ticked all my boxes. I agree the rapid charge stations are hit and miss! Although the new chargers being installed on the motorways are great. The trouble is at 79ppkwh is too much to pay! I can charge at work for 29p. At home i have installed a plug socket outside on its own circuit, but will have a 7kw charger installed soon. So with Octopus 7.5p
When i first started in 2014 i had a free charger installed on my home and solar panels, which was better but we sold that and moved into a retirement flat. I also had 12 months free rapid charge in Bradford for a year which was great!
I was quite happy to hear your views on this topic. But after several " froughs, finks and eivers" I couldn't take it anymore.
An ev van got stuck in half an inch of mud. We could not budge it. Imagine an ev in a skid, it would be like a wrecking ball
I've had 2 EVs, both charged from home, the second off solar that gets feed in tariff, so I got paid to drive in Summer. Agreed public charging sucks, but it is improving. My last EV was a Tesla and that was fine for long trips if a bit expensive. Don't have one at the moment but that will be sorted very soon. In about 4, maybe 5 years public charging will be fine. In the mean time get an EV and keep a diesel or petrol car for the odd long trip or just rent one when you need it. Or better still rent a Tesla.
If you have a place you can charge from home and your daily driving is such that charging from home can cover over 90% of your charging needs then an EV can be a good choice. Here in the U.S. we have the same problem with public charging stations. The government needs to mandate that all chargers take credit or debit and limit the amount usage fees for using them. They also need make the chargers more reliable. They also need to mandate that all chargers have an auxiliary charge cable port for EV owners who have their own charging cables. EV owners would by the charging cable that best suits their EV. My EV can only charge a maximum of 50 kW. So my cable could be thinner and longer. This would make it easier for me for the cable to reach no matter the layout. It also mean it wouldn't matter the connector type as my cable fits my EV. It also mean that even if the chargers cable was broken or had been stolen I still be able to use the charger with my cable. It also allow more than one person to use the same charger. Thus increasing the number of available chargers.
Be careful if you have a small business, leasing a car thru your business. A few years ago I got a little Kia Picanto as an office runaround. SHOCKED when the insurance was double what it was for my personally owned BMW M4!
Some of us new 3 years ago with stupid to buy an electric car
EV cost more to buy and more to run - ruclips.net/video/HKBuQ_oGTTk/видео.html
High insurance due to the possibility of being totalled in a fender bender, or burning some structure down, and quick depreciation.
Last time I looked the Tesla Model 3 cost a similar price to a BMW of a lower spec. And, over the last year my EV has saved me £1200 in fuel costs. It's not quite so straight forward.
Very well explained.
Why do they not charge their selfs as you go along like they do now in combustion cars