£200 CityRover: New thermostat, HID-removal
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- My £200 Rover CityRover (Tata Indica) is treated to a new thermostat and coolant - toasty warm! I also remove the STUPID HID kit (which has already been claimed by a friend) and refit the H4 halogen headlamp bulbs. If you think this is all very impressive, next time, I give it a wash! I also open the mysterious boxes seen at the start of this video. I got so excited about a working heater than I forgot about them this time...
EDIT - I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE MOT! It has one until January. Getting confused in my old age...
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That wasn't a standard HubNut video.....everything went right first time 😂. I can see this CityRover proving us all wrong and actually being a good car......who'd have thought?!!
I own the original first model of Tata indica & its a good car. I have about 145kkm on it and mostly done preventative maintenance. The biggest repair ever done on it was a headgasket replacement cus of a stupid friend filled it up with petrol and it started spitting fire outof the exhaust and blown a hole in the headgasket .
@@KuntalGhosh A lot of the time its down to how a car is looked after, I drive a Fiat with a similar distance travelled. As you have with yours its only had regular maintenance done to it and it doesn't look like a ten year old car. In the UK Fiat stands for Fix It Again Tomorrow and yet I haven't had that with mine.
The man with the messiest garage ever manages to find a bloody 10mm. . Wow.
I just want to help organise that garage!
I have a UK car (registered in Wales, so welsh log book) but come MOT time I am always in Northern Ireland which is a joy because the MOT test is TOTALLY different in NI, but 100% OK for a British registered car. It's tested in a government test centre for 30 quid, takes 10 mins and 2 things I can assure you are NO EMMISSIONS test on either my 2008 diesel or my 2009 petrol cars, they do a idle smoke test, but never rev the engine. ( I believe it depends on the year of the car if they do full emissions test) As its a gov test there is no incentive to fail the car as the test centre do not do repairs. It's a world apart from the English system, but totally compatible in terms of validity. Also a couple of years ago my Citroen Diesel had a issue with the electrics and all the emissions and brake fail lights were on with the messages and check engine light etc... still passed! Only downside is you need to book appointment online up to 5 weeks before.
That's bloody brill! I may start an annual long weekend to Ireland for a break and also just happen to get my Clio MOT'd! 😁
They don't test diesels or motorbikes for emissions but all petrol cars are tested as soon as you enter the shed. As your details are being entered into the computer somebody will have stuck the probe up your exhaust, and waiting time are currently a joke, weeks some centers its months.
Congratulations, that must be the tidiest, best value £200 car I have ever seen and now brought back to full health (assuming no mot gotchas).
I was a little underwhelmed when you bought this but its growing on me now. Its a rather cute car and great value for £200.
they are flimsy because they are build to use for a really long time.though now a days tata cars are safest in india,even stronger than VW cars there,aslo nicely build ,check tata cars tiago,tigor,nexon,altroz,harrier
"Look at that gorgeous volvo, local plates....woah, tasty times". Never change Ian.
I don't exactly know why, but I love the way you use the word exciting for situations where other people might say scary or infuriating. It always brings a smile to my face, even if I'm feeling crap.
Just to explain; if you dump antifreeze/coolant mix on the ground and you cat laps it, or walks through it and then licks it off it's paws; it'll die. So be VERY careful draining your coolant.
Apart from the fiddly dismantling, the result must be very satisfying. I was cheering you on there. Cheers.
Given your recent Fiat adventure dare I say if ever you were going to mod a car this is the one ! A quick induction and exhaust kit and some suspension tweaks and bob's your uncle, one pocket rocket for the delectation of the more youthful of your following . Did the same in my youth to a (classic) Mini and a Hillman Imp before becoming older and (some say) more sensible. Enjoy.
I have always rather sadly liked the Cityrover.
But then I have always liked the underdog.
I know what you mean, I have owned a Marina and two Allegro's! But none of them ever let me down, those marvelous little A Series engines went on and on.
three bubble Micras………………..??
@@raymondo162 Can't go wrong with a micra bubble.
@@mikeyh2585 Bubble Micra until 2000. Then Renault build quality took over...
A Bubble Micra was my £200 car and lives on with a local friend today. 2000 W reg, we've learned a lot working on it together having almost no mechanical experience. I've probably seen about half a dozen CityRovers since they were released, I remember having a rather confused look the first time I saw one. This latest car has peaked my interest!
I just bought an 02 Renault Scenic Fidji, 60,000miles, for a second 'work/occasional car'. Everything, without exception, works e.g. all four e. windows, even the lights in the sun-blinds, tow-bar and roof-bars as well, no rust at all, suede seats, sweet 1.4L engine g.box and clutch; all belts and water pump, plugs, oil service, filters, brakes done pre-purchase; I put four new budget tyres on the alloys; 205/55/16; Taxed and insured... £1000 on the road. You can buy very cheap reliable transport if you don't mind driving the 'under-dogs'
So pleased all went well for you with these fixes and I couldn't help but notice how shiny the Rover was! Good luck with your next fixes. I look forward to further episodes of the Rover.
The cityrover. It was a clear indication that MGR had had it.
From what I can tell in the video, the rear of the cam cover where the ignition components are, looks exactly the same as a TU engine out of a Peugeot 206. Which isn’t a bad thing, these little numbers run very very long. My dads 205 1.1 has 350k kilometers on it, and my brothers 206 has 250k km on it. Lovely motors!
Engine volume does not match: TU3 1.4 L (1,360 cc)
, spark plugs are at the rear (fire wall side) of the engine as is the intake manifold. TU thermostat has only two bolts and the valve covers of the TU engines have straight edges. Not an PSA TU -engine.
I'll discuss more about this in a future video. Certainly, it isn't as Peugeot as is often claimed.
Ahhh I missed these videos of Ian fixing his amazing cars.
Not a bad looking little car. Especially the front. Glad the thermostat fixed the problem. I wish we had access to 1/2 as many cheap city car cloices in the US. Not much to choose from here and none that were taken care of.
Good stuff Ian. Not a bad looking little car really. Good luck for the mot. 🤞
Hi Ian,
I used to live in Pune, where Tata made the City Rover on behalf of Rover UK. It was basically a face-changed and re-badged Tata Indica. I also had an opportunity to take a tour around the Tata production facility, in 2000, and saw both the Indica and City Rover being built. We were told by the representative, during that tour, that the engine was Tata's own design, along with the whole car, being one of the first, if not the first, completely 'home-grown' car in India. Pretty much every other vehicle in the Indian automotive market at that time, was designed outside India and either imported or licenced for local production.
I also owned a Tata Indica 2000, as it was called. It had the same 1.4 ltr petrol engine, which I found seemed to be a little bit of a gutluss wonder. It seemed to struggle up hills on the highways between Bombay and Pune even with just my wife and I in it.
We eventually replaced it with the 3 box Tata Indigo saloon version, once that was launched. This had the 1.4 ltr diesel engine, which while having less BHP than the petrol had much better torque. That car took us all the way from Pune to Kerala one time and several times across to Hyderabad, visiting family. It was a great little cruiser to be honest. I would love to have a drive of a City Rover to see how it compares with what I remember of my two Tata cars.
Cheers,
Jonathan.
Happy and satisfying result! Bucks the trend with ‘right first time’! Great video👍👍
LOL Ian " deploy some bodgery" very funny ..it's what makes Hubnut very entertaining! By the way you might have a problem for the MOT with that mark across the windscreen....we'll see i guess. Best of luck.
My brand new when I bought it (25 miles on the odometer new, 39K+ now - work commute....) , '06 plate that has been sat on our back yard for four years untouched. It's a lovely shade of moss green, real moss), still started first time, only thing I had to do was use another battery. Even the radio had all the radio stations I'd pre-set were working. I may get it back on the road after watching this just to annoy 'our lass'! :-)
Lovely jubbly, a very underrated little car, great to buy as long as you don't have friends who drive Audi's.
I just love it when someone buy a car with loose change and then manages to drive it for years! Good luck with all ur cars.
That looks in really good nick for 200 quid. I’ve been binge watching your Invacar series today, great stuff. Funnily enough the last episode was where you say you were canning the whoosh endings, good to see it back! Best of luck with MOT, an extra consideration used to work for me in the bad old days ... no MOT in Australia, you should see the death traps running around ...
Should have undone the 3rd nut then pull the housing forward to remove the one near the hose clip!
Well that all went most swimmingly ... unusually uneventful. But doing it one handed whilst holding a camera ... that impressed me. Choo chooooo ...
Haha - that was just like the Haynes manual - shows you how to dismantle and then says 're-assembly is the reverse of removal'. Excellent fixes - and good luck with the MOT
WELL DONE SIR ! £200 WELL SPENT .
Great progress - good luck for the "Make 'Orrible Tea"! 👍🏻
They are pretty cheaply made but they aren't bad cars, they've got a lot of power for a car that size and they are pretty damn comfortable, sadly not many left now though since Clarkson, Hammond and May crushed several of them during their live performances.
I'd be happier if CH&M were crushed.
Absolutely love watching your videos
I love it when a plan comes together
'Deploy some Bodgery' that's my new favourite mantra
Nice work HubNut, well done!
Excellent. I have to say seeing you with an almost brand new car is rather unsettling.
1/4'' drive socket,flexi and extension all nice and slim.Tools a pro mechanic has.10mm nut is a bit awkward but not inaccessible .
Another good video mate. I thought it was a thermostat issue. I have had problems with thermostats in the past myself. And temp coolant sensors lol on the Vw car's. Good luck with the Mot on Monday. 👍👍
Im a few minutes or so into another great HN update video and after seeing the orange mess coming out im praying mr hubnut does a good clean water flush through inc the radiator then refilling with fresh coolant......the So(lo)Ro(ver) deserves to be looked after. I will now continue watching.......
That was indeed done.
It was OAT antifreeze wasn't it, so its colour is already pinky brown?
I'm looking forward to the Road-trip to India; when you take Solo back to her place of birth. 😉
Barry Allen this has to happen!
Tata might give you a new car and put the CityRover on display..you never know!
😂
Yes, this has to happen! Great idea.
Could we crowd fund to make this happen? This trip idea has got legs.
Hub Nut would need to set up a new RUclips channel..
Itchy Sandals?
Ian you need a wobble bar socket extension for those hard to reach places .
Best of luck 🤞! A friend over in the UK 🇬🇧 is buying the Jaguar I-pace, and I remember you taking one out for a weekend. I will have to link it to my social media accounts, so that they can see first hand what they are up to. Installing charging ports at home and at the business. I love classic vehicles as well as EV'S. I think they are tired paying £95+ for diesel (I believe it might be a huge Range Rover). I like the City Rover.
@ My friend, her family, is outside Manchester in the Dales, and is thinking of getting an EV Mini. I love Mini Cooper! Go-cart handling, small size, practically perfect!
Here in the US 🇺🇸 it is all about big, which I find hideous and vulgar. New vehicles tend to be too low, and fuel in some states is low, so they all buy pickups and big SUV vehicles. I like a good small car.
Good luck with the MOT! Liked the look of the 5 series and the Volvo.
On occasions Tata actually built a car properly so I assume the odd CityRover was built properly too and all the ones they didn't would have no doubt long been scrapped so maybe yours could be one of the few good ones ... fingers crossed for the MOT
A result on the thermostat replacement and HID removal. The MoT isn't due until January 2020. Half of those train passengers are probably HubNut subscribers who want to see you and your fleet. I'll be keeping a look out for the BMW E32 video. You should get a BMW when the time comes to move the CityRover on.
One of the late V8 E32s, I reckon ;)
@@HowardLeVert It is a 735i which means it has the 6 cylinder M30 engine.
@@Parknest Ah, my mistake, I should have been clearer - I was suggesting Ian should get a V8 E32, not that this car was one. It doesn't have the right shape radiator grille IIRC and it's much too early to have a V8 anyway :)
"The handling is probably ok steering aside".....Awesome!
I wish I could find something similar here in the states for the equivalent of 200 pounds! Just love these cool little European city cars! Which is strange, I drive the family vehicle which is a Toyota Tundra CrewMax. Keep up the awesome videos!
No way of finding anything worthy of an MOT below a 1000 quid here in central Europe either, unless you're extremely lucky, but extremely lucky would still mean closer to 500 than 200. Actually 200 won't even buy you a rusty no-start here anymore.
Now I'm off to do some wrenching on my 90s vintage bicycle, I'd say very HubNut. First thing I need to check is whether the seat requires to 14 mm spanners or 9/16" (which I don't have). 15s definitely slip and the seat is loose. Lovely days! The light wiring is first-rate bodgery as some moron removed the original stuff and I couldn't be arsed to do a proper job. Replacing the "stuff wire through the hole in the lug, twist it and cover it with tape, hoping it'll hold up" with proper spade terminals is another item on the list but I've only got one 2.8 mm spade terminal and I need two.
Success, success and success. Well done Mr Hubnut.
I like the City Rover 😁 Great choice Ian 👍💪
Whoa! Unexpected E32 loveliness within the video!! (same colour as my first E34, I think - Dolphin Grey?). Beautiful old cruisers, always fancied a 750i myself (not the 750iL) in Calypso Metallic. It's brilliant (sorry)that you've got rid of the HIDeous lamps - one less person dazzling other drivers on the roads. I never did 'get' this Lumens Arms Race on headlights, spuriously on the grounds of 'safety' - to think that once upon a time, a single 36W bulb was deemed adequate for dipped beam. Slower pace of life and motoring then, though... keep going with the CityRover, I think this is going to be an unexpected gem (I am worried about that scratch in the screen for the MoT though).
My understanding is that they licensed the TUD 1.5 engine and derived from that a 1.4 petrol variant that used the more robust TUD block which appealed to the Indians and did not need new tooling either.
Could be, that would mean that the cylinder block would be same as in PSA TU5 gasoline engine. If that is the case, why on earth they did not also buy the license for the cylinder head from PSA too? You can use TU5 block with TU5JP 8 valve and TU5JP4 16 valve gasoline cylinder heads or make an TUD5 with diesel head and pistons.
The TU5 block is one of the sturdiest cast iron blocks for gasoline engines. That is why they used the TU5JP4 as an foundation for an racing engine.
@@jannepoWould of course make sense, but we have other dimensions to factor in, we need to know politics of the deal they had, i.e. had PSA lifted their leg on the deal for the diesel engine and or how much technology PSA were comfortable transferring and how prompt had Tata been in settling the bill. Then we have engineering pride, the "not invented here" and "we can do it cheaper and quicker" claim from engineers. I agree the TUD5 was a robust little bugger.
I completely lost it and had a laughing fit at the green tool bag of crimes. I can't even say why really. I just did. HubNut you are a champion.
Well done Ian 👍
Happy car, happy owner.. well done that man.
and well done for looking out for George ;)
I first seen this car in Spain as the Tata indica and liked it
I noticed another Tata in Mallorca this year. Funny how only the Tata Safari was ever sold in the UK to my knowledge.
You do realise Ian if you had undone the top nut on the flange it would have let you move the cover away as you undid the bottom one and give you clearance on the end of the stud.
Alfie Mbra interesting!
Well done, stage one of the City River revival is complete!!.
Those thermostat housing bolts are no stranger to a spanner ! Good luck with the MOT :)
It works, lucky you. Let's hope the luck continues Monday.
Well Ian, I really think you need to be congratulated with your efforts in this video. Not easy to tell timescale but seemingly very successful efforts - to the disappointment of some viewers.
All things considered, Maybe take it in for a pre-MOT now - see if it flags up any other issues to be fixed - so that you have ample time to do the job before the MOT does run out.
Wasn't it the Matiz going for MOT next week ? Not sure how you're going to achieve that while it's looking like a BMW !
Its a PSA derived engine, more than likely a bore size increase of the TU 1361cc petrol - They may of changed the head design to meet euro compliance
It's definitely not based on the TU petrol engine, the block and cylinder head design are completely different in design. However the CityRover block does bear more than a passing resemblance to the iron blocked 1.5 TUD5 diesel engine, and the TUD5 was used by Maruti, another Indian manufacturer so this seems a much more likely ancestor.
It could well be the diesel is psa but the petrol could well be Fiat (Fial) as tata has strong ties going back to the 90's
@@Mrflash222006 That's interesting, I wasn't aware of any link to Fiat, thanks.
Have you tried Alca wiper blades ? Not too expensive and very good, I get mine from ebay.
Seconded, I get those too.
Good luck with the dreaded MOT, Ian! :-)
At least that was a simple fix for a change! I thought you said it had an MOT until January though? EDIT - Just read the description! That makes sense then, at least you realised before you actually put it in!!
Great video 😀. Was surprised to realise that the annual car tax is more than you paid for the car. That's just wrong!
Quick reg check shows it to be moted until January. Any reason for the early retest?
That's a good point. Where did I get 6th September from?! I'm now wondering if something else on the fleet is due...
Ian, go buy a cooling system flush specifically for rust. Rust causes overheats. Someone didn't use coolant and distilled water. Flush it with a rust removing cooling system flush and refill it up with coolant/distilled water!!!!
My current project car, same thing, Previous owned neglected the cooling system, red with rust. None of my other cars have this issue. Bought a anti rust cooling flush, as soon as I have the heads back on I will be flushing it, and then OEM coolant+distilled water only.
Phew I'm glad you're only borrowing the 7 series, they are bottomless money pits!
😅😅😅 well said Scotty 👍
They don't have indicators either .
@@Dazsvintagestuff built by robots...driven by moron,s!
@@joolsfreeman4359
I peddled an E39 V8 for a a long while, it was brilliant and asides two new lower arms at the front and an idler bushing for the rack (all easy DIY stuff) it cost bugger all asides its tremendous thirst (22mpg was the best I got out of it.)
Even though it was an auto the box was lovely, shifted crisply and you could really hustle it in the bends for a big old barge. I'd have another like a shot.
The prayer of the inexpert fettle goes "Please let all jobs be ones I know how to do!" In this case it definitely looked like the prayer was answered.
Before the emissions, might not be a bad idea to put a dose of Redex for Petrol in the tank if it's full of fuel. Has worked wonders for me & might make the engine run smoother and more efficiently. My mother's Mondeo TDCI Diesel was having problems passing emissions despite otherwise appearing healthy, Redex for Diesels lowered the emissions from 1.37gm/km last year to 0.87GM/km this year, 8000 miles later. And now the 100,000-mile 14-year-old engine runs as smoothly as a brand new one. No doubt prolonged the life & reliability. Probably not such dramatic results with a petrol engine because there's a lot less soot build-up, but it will improve matters somewhat.
We use dipthane in Ireland and it works from personal experience with a Renault scenic 2001 petrol.
It failed miserably until I used dipthane and it passed with flying colours.
I chuck it into the cinquecento when it's tested also.
Since you mentioned it in a previous video, it looks suspicously like a fiat palio. Also, e32 7 series with the 3.5 big six possibly the finest car ever.
Good luck on the MOT 👍🏻
hehehehe, tools in a proper tool bag, see, evolution works. back in the 70's I had a buddy in the Panther motorcycle club, who lived in south London, he just had tools scattered all over the yard, but he seemed to know where they were. have fun.
Organised chaos, my garage is like a 70s time warp 😂
@ That is very true i hate when someone puts my tools in a box somewhere as i lose where i left them!
Good luck with your MOT, and still think that you may have a good A to B vehicle on your hands 👍 Tam.
This is why my mechanical knowledge stops at the bicycle. I hate difficult access or solving a dismantling jigsaw puzzle to access the nut. That's not fun, it's frustration and in anger I'd no doubt round off something or snap something in the process! Still fun to watch your vids tho ;)
good you can get it running right temp again. aslong as it aint rotten should be good for MOT unless brake pipes or wheel bearing are shagged :)
I'm guessing Rover fiddled with the steering and ride just to say they had a hand in it, otherwise they'd just have rebadged a car they didn't make, but oh well, maybe you could get some Indica parts to revert it to the original design or something... :D
Ah, the warm feeling brought on by new parts doing what they’re supposed to do. ;-)
I would have been very tempted to trim the corner off that offending plate, not that it's likely that the thermostat would need replacing again for some time. Although this car is certainly no head turner, it is turning out to be a bargain runaround. Fingers crossed for the MOT.
They are really feisty engines with good acceleration.
HID are nor badnews, Mr Hubnut, you just have to have them properly installed and if it'sdefective know how to repair it.It gives much more light at night as with conventional bulbs. Also one could consider LED but I am satisfied with my HID.
isn't it nice when something goes to plan? good job
Good times Ian,and good luck with the Mot.....ptshooooooo
Hmm 🤔 That went too easy.... That is a nice car.
Nice job fella,very good times
For emissions test always a good idea to change engine oil and filter beforehand. We need more George content......(yes he is very content I am sure......you know what I mean aye) Good luck mate!
Engine oil has nothing to do with the emissions?
@@sekopiski He needs to use smokeless engine oil - LOL !
@@sekopiski Do some research try using google. Contamination in oil leaves a film on cylinder walls....that burns....result of same goes out the exhaust. That stuffs the 5 Gas test. Blue smoke is not any indication.
@@alectraproject Heh. I'm a mechanic and do emissions tests almost daily. If the engine oil affects your emissions then there is something seriously wrong with your engine.
@@sekopiski I defer to your obvious experience. Of course you are correct mostly every day. What a wonderful thing to be at ease with doing what you do. Now, back to George I reckon!
After seeing the state of the water I would definitely be doing an oil change
I hope the oil isn't the same colour as the antifreeze 😂
Socket with a wobble extension is your friend there!
And another car saved by Ian, success at the MOT.
Hello Ian,so far so good two jobs done on the city rover,the water in that thermostat looked yuk,now it's sorted good luck with the MOT,fingers crossed 👍.
Ian, I worked for Tata afew years back. I had the pleasure to dismantling the indica vista for electric vehicle conversion. The 1.4 is a fiat engine.
Haven't seen anything that suggests its a Fiat engine. Many parts shared with PSA TU engine.
The engines we removed had fiat branding on some ancillary items. Maybe the vehicles used different powertrains from indica to rover. Keep the videos coming. 👍
Good work.
Internal fire? Wow, you are close to my 'van. Sunday, steam day?
So if you ever see a silver volvo 940 k reg estate with diesel soot pouring out the back and a big cb antenna on it, give us a toot and a wave.
I worked in a breakers yard in 2004 and we had 2 of those city rovers sat beside eachother less that a year old. Story was the dealer had bought them back and scrapped them 😂
I don't think I have ever seen a Cityrover as clean as yours
Every one I've seen has had either horrible dents or rust bubbling up
gunna have to keep an eye out for one of these even like the blue colour need a car to learn to drive in for me and the mrs
Tata Indica, 1998. VW Fox, 2003. They are exactly the same shape, apart from the earlier car having rear doors, so it is better.
I Really enjoy your videos, they are entertaining and very relaxing to watch. and I look forward to the next. The city Rover (solo) looks in great nick for its age. and cant wait so find out if past the MOT and what's in those boxes. :-)
There will be no MOT because I'm an idiot, and it's not due until January. Unboxing video live now!
I'd have been modifying that bracket with the angle grinder! Hope the MOT goes well :-)