Ford Fiesta ST vs Toyota GT86 | evo TRACK BATTLE

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  • Опубликовано: 7 дек 2024

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  • @DTEL77
    @DTEL77 2 года назад +15

    With a few years on the clock now, both cars are very attractive on the used market. In my experience (as a Fiesta owner) modifications that you might find on a used example can transform both cars. On the GT86, the OEM tires were not performance-oriented. Low grip means fun slides but lower lap times. Adding performance rubber and upgraded shocks means that the lower, RWD car will crush the Fiesta in the corners, you can't overcome the fact that the FiST is a taller hatch. On the other side of the coin, the Fiesta responds well to engine upgrades. A simple tune with an intake can add up to another 100ft/lb of torque and push HP well over 200hp to the wheels. The FiST will walk away from the GT86 down the straights. At extreme modification levels, one is a 2-door, low-slung RWD performance coupe and the other is a FWD economy car hatchback, so with an unlimited budget the GT86 will ultimately outperform. Interestingly, both will carry a set of 4 tires to the track, so you can't go wrong in either.

  • @rulfryder17290
    @rulfryder17290 6 лет назад +52

    This video was one of the reasons that i bought the ST... A friend of mine has the GT86 but i love both!

    • @LorenzoClara97
      @LorenzoClara97 5 лет назад +8

      You made the right choice

    • @Alanphuphalee
      @Alanphuphalee 4 года назад +11

      You chose straight line speed over going sideways. :(

    • @patrickbateman7122
      @patrickbateman7122 4 года назад +1

      I've got a BRZ and you made the right choice and I've never driven an ST lol. It's a dull sports car with crap engine. I now see Evo were right in their first assessment of the car..

    • @rulfryder17290
      @rulfryder17290 4 года назад +1

      @@patrickbateman7122 I would love to have the brz. It is a brilliant car love the rwd. Perfect to drift. Nice interior everything perfect. Sadly you can not find a lot of cars here in our area

    • @patrickbateman7122
      @patrickbateman7122 4 года назад

      @@rulfryder17290 why do you like it so much? Just to drift? I'd rather get an old Nissan if that was the case..

  • @TheBluehornz01
    @TheBluehornz01 6 лет назад +21

    I own one of these, test drove both, and would be a proud owner of either one. Phenomenal cars.

    • @Kurt-LoMein
      @Kurt-LoMein Год назад

      which one did you go with

    • @volkoff6357
      @volkoff6357 7 месяцев назад

      ​@Kurt-LoMein I think he intended not to say. He doesn't want to influence you. You should drive both and decide which one you like more. That's the best one for you. Cheers

  • @mgmarrison
    @mgmarrison 9 лет назад +52

    Not strictly relevant, but am I the only person who thinks he looks like David Cameron crossed with Mike Brewer?

  • @skylinedrag
    @skylinedrag 10 лет назад +29

    I did check the Autocar's list the best lap times and guess what?
    Nissan 370Z (1:30.3) only 0,1s better!
    Fiesta ST (1:30.4)
    Ford Focus RS (Mk2) (1:30.8)
    Toyota GT86 (1:31.6)
    Renaultsport Clio 200 Cup (1:31.9)
    VW Golf GTI (Mk6) (1:32.4)
    ...I am very impressed If this car has only 182hp (200 with overboost function)

    • @JustinGilbert
      @JustinGilbert 10 лет назад +5

      Yes this is a good list, other than it doesn't look like this guy is a great driver..

    • @jordanrussell107
      @jordanrussell107 9 лет назад +1

      skylinedrag That Ford Focus RS (Mk2) time... wtf? Surely not :/ Having a difficult time believing that...

    • @avrilcadabra
      @avrilcadabra 9 лет назад +1

      Jordan Russell search for clio vs focus rs, if theres enough corners the smaller cars can keep up

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 6 лет назад

      Tire selection probably has a lot to do with the results, Fiesta ST comes with really grippy summer tires stock.

    • @marcelk3847
      @marcelk3847 6 лет назад

      @@BensCoffeeRants there are semi slicks on the RS available

  • @ESPKannon
    @ESPKannon 10 лет назад +12

    These are easily two of the best performance values on the market--you can't really go wrong with either car, and maybe having both would be the perfect Jalop garage. Cheap to own, cheap to drive, and loads of easy fun. Both have heritage and pedigree--the Fiesta from Ford's storied efforts in rallying, all the way back to the days of the Sierra and Escort, and now its Fiesta WRC--and the GT86 obviously to the Trueno/Levin AE86 and Sports GT. I chose the Fiesta ST, but mostly because the GT86 is impractical as your only car, especially in a snowy climate--and it has no room for stuff. Do see myself owning one in the future though.

    • @TylerWardhaha
      @TylerWardhaha 9 лет назад

      One reason to choose the 86, if you were planning on customizing a lot. You can pick your own turbo out, and it us rear wheel driven, which is a bonus

  • @SleepyHollowCrypto
    @SleepyHollowCrypto 2 года назад +2

    2017 Fiesta ST, original owner w now 147k. No problems at all

  • @barrybenkendorf672
    @barrybenkendorf672 6 лет назад +8

    The Fiesta ST in total perfection!!! Want to take mine to the track ASAP!!!

  • @MrFooSteven
    @MrFooSteven 11 лет назад +24

    3:39, the put the interior of the GT86 on the Focus ST review.

    • @PoftheL
      @PoftheL 6 лет назад +2

      Steven Foo I knew the gear stick looked weird!

  • @partikelsmusic
    @partikelsmusic 11 лет назад +4

    The german Car Magazine "SportAuto" had testing the GT86 with the two different factory tires: 1. The Micheilin primacy HP and 2. the Bridgestone Potenza (both 215/45 R17). With Potenza's he was 2,1 sec. faster. (1.19,4) @ small Hockenheim.
    And after 10.000 Km the car has more power.
    The BRZ has stiffer rear Springs.

  • @branot89
    @branot89 10 лет назад +13

    GT86 is made for drifting and fun, not for lap times.
    If you want a good lap time just put some performance tires instead of these "Prius" tires and it will be at least 2 seconds faster per lap

    • @undrgrnd734
      @undrgrnd734 5 лет назад +1

      Really all these presenters need to do is slap on good tires and then compare the GT86 with it's competitiors. One can argue that this isn't a stock car going against another stock car but really if you are comparing lap times, the GT86's full potential can't be recognized with those low grip prius tires

  • @MaimunR
    @MaimunR 11 лет назад +2

    The GT86 certainly lives up to Keiichi's Tsuchiya's saying "I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner but the most exciting way."

  • @DyeReflex
    @DyeReflex 11 лет назад +1

    - The reason they don't use the same tires is because they're comparing the cars in stock form. I don't think many people want to buy a new car and then spend $1,000 on new tires.
    - Not bad for his first time driving the Fiesta. He'd probably get quicker with more seat time.
    - If oversteering == fun, looks like both cars are pretty fun.
    - I also tend to find winning == fun.

  • @Lickedykuratz
    @Lickedykuratz 10 лет назад +5

    Oh and my 370kw F6 Typhoon (also track driven) proves that you can have 500+hp but when the car weighs 1900kgs with driver, you really do appreciate "lightness!" But when on an Aussie country road about to overtake a road train, give me the 370kw back! Unfortunately, no car does it all. Buy one, drive it for a year, then sell it and by another one. That's the way to keep the lead in your pencil!

    • @mpfourfour
      @mpfourfour 10 лет назад +7

      Most level-headed comment from a Falcon owner I've ever read

  • @moheshininair8943
    @moheshininair8943 9 лет назад +7

    Toyota 86, best car to drive! Now have both 86 and ST and I would still choose to drive the 86. The ST is definitely a hot hatch and it is nice driving a turbocharged car but not as fun as 86.

    • @AmericanWithTheTruth
      @AmericanWithTheTruth 8 лет назад +2

      +Moheshini Rajaruthnam No way a 86 is more fun than a ST. No one I have ever met would agree with that statement. Its down on hp, gearing is not worked out, and it's quite a bit heavier.

    • @moheshininair8943
      @moheshininair8943 8 лет назад +9

      +Tom Brooks Have you ever driven the 86?

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 6 лет назад

      @@moheshininair8943 I've driven both and they're both fun. Although a lot of people complain about BRZs lack of Torque, Fiesta ST doesn't have that issue thanks to the little turbo. They get their power differently, BRZ will be more fun once you rev it up and keep it in the high RPM range, where Fiesta ST is fun in the mid rev range like all the time, but power dies off at higher RPMs. For track and autocross, BRZ might be more fun because with RWD you can drift / over-steer easy. For Daily Driving I'd say Fiesta is generally more fun.

  • @lauriejamesmackeson
    @lauriejamesmackeson 11 лет назад +31

    Seems like both cars need a better set of OEM tires.

    • @lauriejamesmackeson
      @lauriejamesmackeson 11 лет назад +1

      Thanks for the reply. While many people would disagree with me, I think that many car-comparo tests are not important because of the depth-of-differences between them.

    • @marksapollo
      @marksapollo 10 лет назад +3

      Nope, just the GT86, here in the UK the Fiesta ST comes as standard with Bridgestone Potenza rubber. Don't know many tyres that are a lot better than those? Maybe Pirelli P1 but they cost a fortune?

    • @rfouR_4
      @rfouR_4 8 лет назад +1

      +marksapollo Tons of better tires. They're actually a generation old in terms of tire technology. I put Dunlop Diezza Z2 Star Specs on mine, night and day difference.

    • @derrickarmour
      @derrickarmour 3 года назад

      ST needs a diff

  • @sasquatch5863
    @sasquatch5863 9 лет назад +53

    put decent tyres on gt86 and then time it's lap.

    • @qleap99
      @qleap99 4 года назад +27

      Put the same tires on both cars. It's the only valid way to compare different chassis.

    • @ayrtonowen2703
      @ayrtonowen2703 4 года назад +3

      Gt86 is shite though

    • @MD-uu5nt
      @MD-uu5nt 4 года назад +3

      @@ayrtonowen2703 you'd know better than everyone who has driven it of course. I've had a Fiesta ST. Great little car but limited. A GT86 is a better drivers carwith much more potential.

    • @ayrtonowen2703
      @ayrtonowen2703 4 года назад +4

      @@MD-uu5nt I've got an st200, test drove a gt86, the chassis is shite can barely hold its own power, grip is shite, wayyy slower than the st, not as nice to drive and frankly just a cop-out of a sports car

    • @ayrtonowen2703
      @ayrtonowen2703 4 года назад

      @Scott Shipley 😂😂 no they arent look at track attacks ffs, sts beat them lolol

  • @riothero313
    @riothero313 9 лет назад +6

    With just a intake, intercooler and tune you have a 13 second car with a ST. All bolt-on's and cheap. You can get a .8 second faster quarter mile time with just a tune.

    • @julien0964
      @julien0964 8 лет назад

      umm... same thing with the brz/gt86... the parts are really inexpensive and you can have way more fun in a tuned gt86 than in a fiesta... at least in my opinion, as the low center of gravity and seating position gibe you that awesome feel...

    • @riothero313
      @riothero313 8 лет назад +2

      Julien Xu
      um NO. The brz already costs more and doesn't do anywhere NEAR the performance increase per dollar in the after market because it is n/a. Nice try though. I gained 30ft/lb's with stage 1 lol. The brz has what 150 to start with??? Fiesta has 210ft/lb's or so. I agree, it's a great car and it was one of the cars I test drove along with the GTI. Please don't pretend it gains as much as the Fiesta with basic mods though.

    • @TheBb6prelude
      @TheBb6prelude 8 лет назад

      +riothero313 there are bolt ons frs floating around here running 13s tuned. Not many of them but they're some.

  • @polopowered
    @polopowered 8 лет назад +86

    Had a GT86. Now gonna get a Fiesta ST. Life really is too short.

    • @western-oud1898
      @western-oud1898 8 лет назад +7

      polopowered....mate I've got an st3 with the mountune kit and I haven't had as much fun since the hot hatches I owned in the late 80's early 90's....

    • @andrew241293
      @andrew241293 8 лет назад +4

      stuart watson Hi Stuart had hot hatches myself in the early 90s do you think people in their early 40s would look okay driving this car?

    • @whiskey4930
      @whiskey4930 8 лет назад

      how can i do what you did. is there a site for those mods?
      im new to tuning

    • @JoseMedina-gf4cu
      @JoseMedina-gf4cu 7 лет назад +2

      I have a St, love her, but I also want a brz. Oh the struggle

    • @jeph0309
      @jeph0309 7 лет назад +13

      Had a Fiesta ST, sold it for a toyota 86. Yeah life is too short :) and I loved both, I just prefer the 86!

  • @TheSiskoGGs
    @TheSiskoGGs 11 лет назад +4

    Thank you EVO !! I was curious thinking about the Fiesta ST vs BRZ or GT86. Because they weight about the same. But the Fiesta ST has more Torque and it's a great drivers car. I am shocked by the results of this comparo. I would have never thought that the ST would be in the same universe with the GT-86 or BRZ. They are great purpose built lightweight RWD cars and the ST is a modified FWD Fiesta. I cannot believe the ST was faster despite all of it's disadvantages.
    Thank You
    EVO !

  • @dylanknight4752
    @dylanknight4752 10 лет назад +71

    this is the first guy who's said the fiesta st doesn't grip well enough. lol

    • @reubengoh7728
      @reubengoh7728 10 лет назад +16

      To be fair, look at the kind of cars EVO usually reviews lol, they have very high standards.

    • @Chewygsxr
      @Chewygsxr 5 лет назад +4

      Dylan Knight I have a set of Mitchell’s Pilot Sport 3+ and it’s Glued to the road, it’s such a fun Car to drive.

    • @halohunter5217
      @halohunter5217 5 лет назад +1

      I have a standard 1.6L Fiesta and I can tell that the Hankook all season tires do limit grip. The car handles great fully stock, can't wait to get some summer tires on it... Been eyeing the Ford Racing suspension kit too.

    • @jamestobin2529
      @jamestobin2529 5 лет назад

      I know lol idk how he was even getting the rear tire off the ground tbh the body roll is so limited he must of been absolutely crushing it 😂.

    • @jamestobin2529
      @jamestobin2529 5 лет назад

      @@halohunter5217 the turbo and manual are the fun part though mate

  • @SpirosAliprantis
    @SpirosAliprantis 10 лет назад +11

    I can easily beat the time of 1:31 of the GT86 with the same car, it can do much better than this and we all know that...!

    • @mociczyczki
      @mociczyczki 10 лет назад

      probably tire do most of job hear ,but anyway this 2 car are very close in corner and on straight line

    • @SpirosAliprantis
      @SpirosAliprantis 10 лет назад +1

      Yeah, definitely...but I think the GT86 can go much much faster than this...

    • @chikuwaist
      @chikuwaist 10 лет назад +2

      it proves again that this Dickie guy is total rubbish

  • @VanTheManSLB
    @VanTheManSLB 11 лет назад +3

    Really like these 2 cars! Probably my favourites at the moment. Fun, decent MPG, nice looking, etc.
    If i could pay the extra cash, live with 2 real seats, a sports car experience -> GT86
    If money is tight, the extra seats are needed or a good plus (for friends, etc) and still want a car that can make me smile -> Fiesta ST

  • @SploogeSquid
    @SploogeSquid 10 лет назад +7

    man if i felt any of my wheels come off the floor id shit bricks

    • @K-oZ
      @K-oZ 4 месяца назад

      Well, it's not that bad.
      I owe a FiST Mk 8.5 (so the last one probably ever build), which also tends to drive on 3 wheels through corners.
      Had a road safety training and I noticed at slalom, that my wheel should be a bit in the air, while I knew that feeling from before and wondered if that is how it feels. Instructor then said like 20 cm which I couldn't believe.

  • @donE37100
    @donE37100 11 лет назад +2

    A car comparison in the UK without it raining! Amazing!

  • @nadurtha8536
    @nadurtha8536 Год назад +2

    I think on maybe better tyres. The ST could have been even quicker. There's no other "classic formula" hot hatch aside from the RS or Clip Cup (FWD/Turbo) that handles as well as the MK7 ST. It'll appreciate in value. Most also won't use these on a track, so do slight track handling lapses really matter?
    While the GT86 looks very fun also. The ST also has more room to put luggage or carry things if you want to use it as a normal fiesta.
    ST also cheaper.
    But the GT86 still a fantastic car. Very beautiful design. I would buy one if they were cheaper.

    • @AthenaAutocross
      @AthenaAutocross Год назад

      The crazy part is that you can just drop an OTS tune for the Fiesta and get it up to 220whp and 310 torque and then it becomes and absolute missile for track and autocross

  • @robw7676
    @robw7676 9 лет назад +4

    Thinking about the GT86 as my next car, replacing a 2006 MR2. Speed and acceleration is not very important as I have a motorbike for that.

  • @fatboy19831
    @fatboy19831 11 лет назад +1

    It is wonderful that you get to drive the car to its limits. We can only do that here on the track or closed off road events. It is sweet that there is no speed limiter on the GT86.

  • @chris14091975
    @chris14091975 11 лет назад +1

    yes, the car met every expectation. the fuel efficiency is awesome but the cabin noise at highway speeds is a little unbearable

  • @HippoPlays
    @HippoPlays 9 лет назад +2

    have owned a GT86 and now have a Fiesta ST, have to totally agree in the fun vs pace equation... saying that I am probably having more fun now in the ST than when I had the GT86 as I am less worried about getting an ASBO on my daily commute! :D

  • @michiel75
    @michiel75 9 лет назад +5

    Just the sound of the boxer engine of the Toyota is enough to make it the nicer car. Its sounds sweet and is massive fun to drive.

    • @FrankDrebinJunior
      @FrankDrebinJunior 9 лет назад +2

      Michiel M BRZ/GT86's have equal length exhoust pipes which unfortunately devoid the car of the "boxer rumble" :/ Sound like regular 4cyl

    • @michiel75
      @michiel75 9 лет назад

      FrankDrebinJunior you can totally hear its a boxer engine that's working under the hood of the GT86. A regular 4 cylinder inline tends to 'scream' at high revs. This sweet boxer growls like the non-turbo Impreza 2.0 I drove before.

    • @nearvii6745
      @nearvii6745 9 лет назад

      FrankDrebinJunior Easy fix bro get a good quality aftermarket exhaust.

    • @nearvii6745
      @nearvii6745 9 лет назад +1

      FrankDrebinJunior Easy fix bro get a good quality aftermarket exhaust.

  • @Lickedykuratz
    @Lickedykuratz 10 лет назад +1

    It's really easy to do in the 86 though! If you have big, wide feet, I would recommend wearing tapered shoes like the ones you wear with a suit. It makes a huge difference! I'm 6'3 and I weigh 125kgs and my feet are size 14 but the 86 still accommodates me sufficiently, even with helmet! Well done Toyota/Subaru!

  • @a.benaway_racing
    @a.benaway_racing 9 лет назад +2

    Did anyone else notice the sweet if the gt86 interior when they started to introduce the fist?

  • @inductionnoise
    @inductionnoise 11 лет назад +1

    anyone else notice the error? In the photo montage of the Fiesta ST, the shot of the gearbox is actually of the GT86 and not the fiesta....

  • @bucketslash11
    @bucketslash11 11 лет назад +1

    with those tires made for a prius (thereby sacrifising grip for less rolling resistance), harder than you think, probably impossible

  • @MrAnders1976
    @MrAnders1976 9 лет назад +3

    Those Prius tires on the GT86 are pretty bad around a track... Also the FIesta has less weight at 1088kg vs the 1200kg of the GT86..
    Yes there is not much torque in the GT86 as it is a square (86/86) NA 2.0 liter engine and it has a critical torque dip centered at 4000 rpm.. The new mazda mx5 with its lower weight and longer stroke inline 4 though down on HP feels more powerfull than the GT86 due to a much more linear torque band with max torque at 4600 rpm where th h GT86 makes most of its torque at 6000 rpm.

  • @Fastvoice
    @Fastvoice 11 лет назад +1

    Correct. I switched immediately to Bridgestone RE050A - a difference like day and night.

  • @derreportiseur2753
    @derreportiseur2753 11 лет назад +61

    I drove both cars by myself and I must say that the Ford is even much better. Its very well balanced in corners, accelerates better and is more dynamic. The Interior has a tougher look. The GT86 though has the perfect seat position. It really feels like youre in a little race car when you get in. But when it's about driving pleasure, you must go for the Ford. Also, the Ford surprises on the street - the GT86 is a bit of a laugh. When it comes to a showdown with a GTI, and it will, you will loose. The Fiesta can keep up until the mark of 200 km/h is reached. At that point the engine feels like bubble gum stretched to the max. But the GT86 wont bite your tail. It also misses power at that point. For less than 20 000 Euros the Fiesta ST is the best car money can buy!

    • @dracokev
      @dracokev 10 лет назад +2

      ***** Der Reportiseur The GT86 has more steering feel than the Fiesta, so I don't see how it's not fun even in the city.

    • @warrenshehan8126
      @warrenshehan8126 10 лет назад +13

      *****
      If you think you can't have fun in the gt86 anywhere without having your license taken its pretty clear to me you have not driven one long enough. To each his own but a light rwd sports car is fun all day. Also its not like you just slide around everywhere you go.. the ford is more practical but if you ask me just not that attractive at all and I'd gladly take the rwd over fwd anyday.

    • @codeturbo7121
      @codeturbo7121 10 лет назад +7

      The Ford is hands down more practical and has the torque, but I would have to go with the GT86. This is basically FWD Turbo vs RWD N/A. Turbos are a load of fun, but RWD > FWD any day. A turbo is easy to add to the 86, but the Fiesta will never be RWD. I just see the 86 as a more viable and classic platform, and it will probably be more relevant and sought after in 10 years.

    • @slimtrax
      @slimtrax 10 лет назад

      CodeTurbo Then make it AWD ;D

    • @farhan007
      @farhan007 7 лет назад +2

      Der Reportiseur Your experience breaks the laws of physics. Your Fiesta is a nose heavy fwd open diff economy hatch with stiff suspension and a turbo.
      The BRZ is 53/47 weight distribution vs the Feista's 64/36 weight distribution. It's center of gravity sits 460mm of the ground which is lower than mid engine Caymans. The Feista's is that of a regular econo box.
      This guy in this video doesn't know how to drive. He misses all the apexes and is probably driving one to high of a gear in a motor that you have to keep the revs high.
      There are track times with the same PRO driver laping these vehicles on I believe Willow Springs and the BRZ beats it WITH the low ressistence economy tires meant to break loose because the car is so balanced and fun to play with beyond its grip limit. So it beat the ST around the track IN it's drift happy mode. MOST people when buying this vehicle swap out the tires for performance summers. At that point it wouldn't be even a match, the BRZ would murder it around a track IF you know how to drive rwd cars that need to be revved out( a lot of heal and toe).

  • @Nevercash
    @Nevercash 6 лет назад +1

    Yeah but what would you rather be seen in? A sports car or a fucking fiesta LOL

  • @fatboy19831
    @fatboy19831 11 лет назад

    I understand Doc. The BRz is not as tail happy as the GT-86. The tail will not come out till you reach the limit of traction or if you 2nd gear punch it in a turn. With sticky rubber ether car will stay planted. The twins are not for the faint of hart. The GTI would be a much better car for secure handling up to and beyond the limit. I grew up in a time with no abs or stability control. If you went to fast in a turn the Integra would just go into a controlled 4 wheel drift.

  • @HippoPlays
    @HippoPlays 11 лет назад +1

    the Fiesta ST2 fully specked up comes in at £19k ish, where as the GT86 with all the trimmings is close on £29k.... hardly the same price bracket! I got my GT secondhand after trying both, it is a far more fun and involving drivers car than the Fiasco, it is more expensive even 2nd hand compared to a new Fiesta but the feeling you get driving it is worth the extra cost imo. On track it needs wider and more sticky tyres to go fast, but as it is I prefer fun over fast! :-)

  • @111YIM
    @111YIM 10 лет назад +34

    Love ST!

  • @lawrencepll76
    @lawrencepll76 2 года назад +1

    So EVO,
    It has been a while since this epic duo battled it out, and now both of them has a new generation, and both seems to have significantly improved.
    So, when are we able to see the comparison of the latest Ford Fiesta ST vs Toyota GR86?
    I am sure a lot of people like myself are interested in learning about which one of the two is the better entry level sportcar. In fact, O am trying to decide on which one I should spend my money one.
    I know you guys always have be best review, and exciting comparison. So when are we able to see the latest version of evo TRACK BATTLE/comparison ?

  • @RobRoyRed42
    @RobRoyRed42 11 лет назад +1

    I love drifting it. I learned to drift in a 1963 Rambler Classic back in the early 70's. It took gravel...

  • @MrDrPepsi1
    @MrDrPepsi1 10 лет назад +2

    To be honest, I'm not surprised the Fiesta won. Blyton Park is a tight track, we've raced there. FWD isn't slower than RWD, it's just some prefer it and are better with it. Personally, I prefer FWD.

    • @Nemoticon
      @Nemoticon 9 лет назад

      Sam Jones FWD up to 200-250hp... after that you'd be asking way too much from the front tyres to accelerate, brake and change direction. After that, FWD either give up the ghost or need some seriously tricked up front diff to deal with the work load.
      I'm sure you knew that , but I just thought I'd say so. Personally, I think on tight and twisty runs, you can't have more fun with anything over 250hp, regardless of which wheels are being driven. So long as the car is well balanced and pokey, you're going to enjoy yourself.

    • @VanDyce
      @VanDyce 9 лет назад

      +Sam Jones st has a turbo in it... the 86 doesnt

  • @Gjeebs
    @Gjeebs 8 лет назад

    Can someone explain to me why they give it the sweet exhaust in Europe and why we got those little ones on our first generation?

  • @scottmoreland8747
    @scottmoreland8747 2 года назад

    Does anyone know what the track playing at 4:00 is? Sounds like an all night 6am Berghain job

  • @kamilkowalski6883
    @kamilkowalski6883 10 лет назад +3

    people complaing about gt 86 tires just think if you put bigger tires with better grip it wont get drift and you will felt like car loose some power because bigger part of tires have contact with tarmac so you have more fiction and it will change car harakteristic so you must have more power and change suspension parts etc. and in europe fiesta is with brigestone potenza they are one of best tires and fiesta had more grip so its not fair to complain both car are stock and fiesta is faster that fact and for normal driver fiesta is easier to drive and in snow gt is ussles that fact for second car gt 86 maby is better but fiesta is easier to drive cheaper and more practical and dont have problem with reliabiltti as people says sorry for my english but im from Poland and dont have opportuniti to use english

    • @hairyviking6047
      @hairyviking6047 4 года назад

      Not a bad stab at English mate.
      If I tried Polish, I wouldn't even know where to start.

  • @RobRoyRed42
    @RobRoyRed42 11 лет назад +2

    The review reminds me of the Playboy magazine comparison of the Vega to the Pinto back in the day. They tested a base model Pinto with those skinny tires to a Vega GT with those "wide oval" tires with tread that had been ground down specifically for the track. Guess which one won. :-D
    It would be fun to do this same test and only mod the Toyota with actual "performance" tires, even on the same rims.

  • @xavierdumont2613
    @xavierdumont2613 5 лет назад +2

    Just put right tires on a86, not the original tires made for drift and you will let the st far behind

    • @der_jann2k163
      @der_jann2k163 5 лет назад

      Xavier Dumont Then the ST should get other tires too. ;)

  • @afthefragile
    @afthefragile 11 лет назад

    But in racing what you want is a good front end on the car. When you turn the wheel, you want the front end to follow and go where you want it to rather than understeer off wide. Then the back end will usually follow...

  • @motormusique
    @motormusique 8 лет назад +6

    As a GT86 owner, I have to say that the Fiesta certainly offered itself up as a tempting proposition. However, I could not get over its cheap looking interior, and mainly the econobox fish mouth looks. At the end of the day, if I can't look back at my car and think that it looks good, that means something. I still wonder if it's not the better car of the two, though.

    • @Simon74
      @Simon74 8 лет назад +1

      Can't really go wrong with either of those.

    • @BlatentlyFakeName
      @BlatentlyFakeName 8 лет назад +1

      I initially went to buy a gt86, but after the poor Toyota dealer experience and after driving the ST I made my mind up very quickly. Pound for pound the ST is the better car. You get a lot more for your money. They are also a LOT easier and cheaper to tune than the gt86. Sink a few k in to an ST and it will be an absolute rocket. Some tuners have got 400hp out of it on the stock gearbox and clutch which is insane. The GT86 is more of a collectable future classic though. So it's worth holding on to.
      The gt86 definitely has a better quality interior in general, but the Recaro seats in the ST are extremely good. Some of the best I've ever had in a car.

    • @660adv
      @660adv 8 лет назад +1

      i'm so torn which one to get. they're both amazing in different ways. I love your point it's so spot on

    • @HeytoyoubudiV2
      @HeytoyoubudiV2 8 лет назад +13

      lol "cheap looking interior" coming from the 86 owner

    • @whiskey4930
      @whiskey4930 8 лет назад +2

      gt86 interior looks like garbage too lmao. its too small for me

  • @fikes73
    @fikes73 11 лет назад

    They set the car up, that if you do care about track times, all you gotta do is throw on some sticky rubber, with a trunk just large enough to hold 4 wheels and a jack. The people hating on its time should realize that. There have been videos that prove this, with awesome track times

  • @elruco264
    @elruco264 9 лет назад +2

    I love my 86 to bits! it ain't fast. actually it ain't anywhere near fast. But it is the most fun car to drive I have ever driven. You can get the tail out in 1st at 40 kph and hold it! And that is why I have a GT86 and not a Fiesta ST!

    • @seriouslydont402
      @seriouslydont402 9 лет назад

      +Elruco Du Plessis rwd fan boys just love a waggly tail (nothing wrong with that) but I'd take the Fiesta any day (and am buying it soon)

    • @elruco264
      @elruco264 9 лет назад

      +lalala kieran lol I sure am a rwd fan boy! But the ST will kill me on a track. One of my buddy's drives the ST and he absolutely loves it! Enjoy it bro!

    • @seriouslydont402
      @seriouslydont402 9 лет назад

      Elruco Du Plessis hey thanks man! i can't wait to get it, really at the end of the day all that matters is that you love driving the car you own. And hey, both are really awesome cars in their own ways and both have a totally different drive :} I would happily own the Toyota to be honest :} maybe RWD will be my next car I've never driven RWD before

    • @chrissorreda4982
      @chrissorreda4982 9 лет назад +1

      lalala kieran It's sad how you dissed fans of rwd without experiencing it yourself :(

  • @dgbucko
    @dgbucko 9 лет назад +19

    Put the same tyres on both cars and the GT86 is quicker. Stock tyres are designed not to have grip, making this comparison pointless.

    • @elwulfo666
      @elwulfo666 9 лет назад +7

      First part is correct, second part not so much. Where I live, the Fiesta costs, with leather, 9000€ less than the GT86 in its basic setup. Of course there are several resons why the 86 is much more expensive but in the end putting a wider tire would have ended in an even bigger price gap between the two cars.

    • @whatsforsupa
      @whatsforsupa 9 лет назад +4

      ezz il this is a stock vs stock comparison. the brz is also 5k more.

    • @neovenom9833
      @neovenom9833 9 лет назад +1

      ezz il in this category of power to weight ratio, having better grip does not make a car go much faster, it makes it safer. Unless the tires are really rubbish. Put both of them on Pilot super sports and the Fiesta will still be faster. Also depends on the course were you are driving.

    • @neovenom9833
      @neovenom9833 9 лет назад

      elwulfo666 a wider tire does not always make it faster, it increases the contact surface of the car, giving more grip, but also more room for friction, which can slow you down. Unless the contact surface of the stock tires is not enough to cope with the power of the car. it is indeed better to use wider tires or look for the same size in a better quality.

    • @elwulfo666
      @elwulfo666 9 лет назад

      Neo VeNoM
      sure but on the GT it makes it faster.

  • @piotrskarga5449
    @piotrskarga5449 11 лет назад +1

    you dont understand GTI conception fiesta is modern gti car it have to be good in every conditions not only on dry race track like rwd toyota gt 86 its base for drifting car and fiesta its gti its diferent clas but in my opinion fiesta its more universal car ana its better in most conndition like snow and rain

  • @chapel976
    @chapel976 11 лет назад

    Had a drive of the US Fiesta ST last weekend. Urgent is a perfect word for it. It was so much fun. I'm a RWD guy, but I want one of those BAD

  • @Hereyouthatwillbrite
    @Hereyouthatwillbrite 11 лет назад

    Tyres aren't going to negate the gains the Fiesta will get from a remap. It's pointless comparing both cars as they're massively different and appeal to different audiences. However people have to take note that a fwd small hatch which costs £17k is living up to the proclaimed new 'drivers car' in terms of performance round a track.

  • @TerryHeick
    @TerryHeick 7 лет назад +1

    Two completely different cars. The Fiesta is faster than the GT86--so is a Range Rover. If you buy an 86, you either live with merely 'adequate' power, or you modify to create the power and you want. Both are incredibly fun to drive and go about it, again, differently. They also have vastly different ceilings in terms of modification and driving spirit and aesthetics and so on. We have an odd fascination with comparing cars as better or worse, winner and loser. Drive both, buy the one you like.

  • @Wurzelzwerg1212
    @Wurzelzwerg1212 11 лет назад

    perfect video for me. I just came back from a Gt86 test drive and later this week I go for a drive in a Fiesta ST. Can't decide which one to buy

  • @AmericanWithTheTruth
    @AmericanWithTheTruth 9 лет назад +5

    No way that gt86 rwd is more fun. And not bad time for first time in a fist.

    • @ChrisSs993
      @ChrisSs993 9 лет назад

      +Tom Brooks People who like rwd will always prefer rwd to something like a fwd st.

    • @xxMagicMike
      @xxMagicMike 9 лет назад +2

      +Tom Brooks Driven both and liked the FiST so much more I ended up buying it over the 86.

    • @AmericanWithTheTruth
      @AmericanWithTheTruth 8 лет назад

      Happy_Killmore With the new Focus RS coming out now, I've decided I like my FIST so much I'm unwilling to part with it, so I will be holding off on the RORS until I get my FIST paid off. That's how much I love this car.

    • @samdervantes6065
      @samdervantes6065 8 лет назад

      +Tom Brooks wait for this gt86 2017... love japanese car... japan spirit... japan energy... japenese power... like nissan gorilla gtr hehe... peace yoo

    • @AmericanWithTheTruth
      @AmericanWithTheTruth 8 лет назад

      Ronald Smith I hope they put out something nice and quick. With the AWD Focus RS pushing now 350hp 330 lbs of torque is going to be tough for anything to catch it. Hopefully the market will get pushed any more manufactures will open up the turbo 4 bangers.

  • @TheSpongebob74
    @TheSpongebob74 7 лет назад +1

    the gt86 is a nice looking car but its expensive i went for a st and got the mountune package fitted from new 215 bhp and 236 ft/ pounds of torque and its just the better car for me its one little rocket a match for any mk7 golf gti the gt 86 performance just isnt good enough for price just my humble opinion though

  • @fatboy19831
    @fatboy19831 11 лет назад

    How do you like them? Did your gas mileage go down at all? I ran them on my Celica and they were wonderful.

  • @VideoDude6475
    @VideoDude6475 11 лет назад

    the gt86 is running on tires that are found on a prius and fitting those on a rwd, short wheel base and light car leads to pretty much little or no grip which means fun around corners

  • @JanMichaelFranklin
    @JanMichaelFranklin 11 лет назад +1

    I would like to see these cars lap on identical tires. That way it is a non-factor.

  • @BrandonCardoso12
    @BrandonCardoso12 2 года назад

    Came back to this video after having owned a focus st and then bought a fiesta st after test driving it and a brz. The fiesta st is now gone and I’m considering a brz. Modified they will be close as far as straight line speed with the st probably just edging it out with torque, however the brz can fit a lot more tire underneath and can make up for that. Going to be picking up one come summer time I think.

  • @tn21beer
    @tn21beer 10 лет назад +25

    Fiesta ST - £16,995
    GT86 - £25,110
    How does that work? Either the Toyota is massively overpriced or the Fiesta is the bargain of the century.

    • @TibzzTube
      @TibzzTube 10 лет назад +4

      First of all, Fiesta ST is just a suped-up Fiesta and GT86 is a model for itself. ST doesn't really have any more tuning potetntial. You could go to about 230hp and then understeer would make it undriveable. But with the GT86 you can do miracles, from basic tuning to turbo and engine swaps.

    • @tn21beer
      @tn21beer 10 лет назад +17

      Any tuning to the GT86, especially forced induction will give you one very expensive Toyota with no warranty. For £599 you can get a MP215 upgrade for the ST while keeping the warranty.

    • @gregorywhitehurst6217
      @gregorywhitehurst6217 10 лет назад +2

      True. I think Fensport do a tune up for the 86. Gives 260bhp which is nice...but about £4000. So if you got a 2nd hand with no warranty..might be worth it for fun. Cash depending haha

    • @akdaus
      @akdaus 10 лет назад +1

      tn21beer FWD vs RWD? are you fucking idiot mate? i rather choose RWD rather than FWD, although ironically i owned FWD Honda civic type R track racing spec LOL

    • @tn21beer
      @tn21beer 10 лет назад +5

      CarCrazy If they were the same price I would absolutely agree with you, but 10k more? Doesn't sit right with me,

  • @Christophe_L
    @Christophe_L 11 лет назад

    Fun comparo! Even though the presenter didn't seem to be very skilled, it shows what normal people like you and I can get out of the little cars.

  • @MotoTokPL
    @MotoTokPL 11 лет назад

    Dicky Meaden is a great driver, no question about that - we also started shooting car reviews with a driver with true racing pedigree.

  • @MrDeapGamingMedia
    @MrDeapGamingMedia 11 лет назад +1

    If they had the same tires, I believe the 86 would have a slight lead.

  • @fundiver198
    @fundiver198 11 лет назад

    The difference is, the Mustang has leaf spring solid axle rear suspension. Basically the same as you find on a 19`th century covered vagon. And something the rest of the world stopped using decades ago exept for trucks. The GT86 on the other hand has modern independent rear suspension. And therefore its a much better handling car than a Mustang.

  • @RobRoyRed42
    @RobRoyRed42 11 лет назад

    I found this video fascinating. I watched the driver's response as he drove the two cars. In which car was he most enjoying himself? The answer says it all.

  • @kongzillagod
    @kongzillagod 8 лет назад

    I wish they brought the 2 door. Version here to the states

    • @remigusker6024
      @remigusker6024 8 лет назад

      kongzillagod Eh, I've got the 5 door and honestly, the practically trumps any aesthetic advantage the 3 door has.

    • @Minos252
      @Minos252 6 лет назад

      @@remigusker6024 which isnt much, biggest aesthetic issue is the way the headlights make it look like a fish lol... TRC eyebrows make it look a lil bit better more aggressive

  • @Bazuzeus
    @Bazuzeus 7 лет назад

    GT86 isn't a car for performances. Not for drag-race, not for races, not for going fast in straight.. it's a care FOR PLEASURE, and for that,n that's probably the best car you can drive. You can watch any GT86/BRZ/FRS review and you'll ALWAYS see a smile on the driver's face !
    I own one since 2013 and I'm happy each and every time I drive it, whatever the reason to drive is.

  • @Fastvoice
    @Fastvoice 11 лет назад

    Drove the GT86 with 240 km/h (display, not accurate) - no stability problem. Jumps a bit over these little tarmac edges - could be a bit more responsive/less stiff in the 1st quarter of the spring/damper travel and a bit stiffer for the rest of the travel.

  • @adamj2121
    @adamj2121 11 лет назад

    You make very valid points. However, the ST is significantly cheaper than the GT86 and is the better buy for a daily driver. The 86 will make a much better track car, as it is a great base platform that can be heavily modified.

  • @hunghuge12
    @hunghuge12 11 лет назад

    It's easy to make a car feel well sorted when it's limits are very low. Less forces acting on components gives everything an easier time.

  • @jsponson
    @jsponson 11 лет назад

    I think even if you did drive on the track, unless you were getting money or at least trophies for winning, having fun is still more important than the lap times.

  • @O2N2Concepts
    @O2N2Concepts 11 лет назад

    Its an American company but the Fiesta was developed in UK and Germany and the ST was done mostly by Team RS in the UK.

  • @room007
    @room007 11 лет назад

    you're missing the point, check out Chris Harris's thoughts on the car, it's designed to oversteer, the minute you start messing with the handling it's just gonna feel underpowered, throw in more horsepower and you're gonna end up with something like a 370Z

  • @eformance
    @eformance 11 лет назад

    To me, stable means that it stays composed even with a measly 150lb/ft of torque.

  • @RobRoyRed42
    @RobRoyRed42 11 лет назад

    I suppose that is one way of looking at it. But in my case, I'm primarily a Chrysler man. I know quality and value when I see it. And, frankly, my support of the FR-S is not based on me owning one. Rather, my owning one is based on my reading (of both good and bad reviews) and then driving one. And all of my expectations were exceeded in ownership. I've put 6k miles on mine in roughly 2.5 months and love every minute behind the wheel. But my primary concern is not power. It's handling- and fun.

  • @DocWolph
    @DocWolph 11 лет назад

    Karl Benz (Yes as in Mercedes Benz) invented the Flat/Boxer/H(Horizontal)-block engine in the late 1890s. It was called a Boxer engine because the motion of the pistons look like a boxer punching left, right, left, right. The term itself has NO bearing on how many pistons it has. A 911's flat-6 is often referred to as a Boxer-6. The term "boxer" is NOT a Japanese invention nor denotes some so far unexplained "difference" that specifically makes the engine a "boxer" and not a "flat" or H-block.

  • @methaman1
    @methaman1 11 лет назад

    That's what most people don't seem to get. Why would you care how fast you are going if you're having tons of fun. RWD FTW

  • @SmallBlogV8
    @SmallBlogV8 11 лет назад

    That's partly because he was throwing it around to cancel out any potential understeer for a faster time. Although, it does also have a higher centre of gravity which would give it more body roll.
    At any rate, a 13-year-old in a stolen car is probably having a blast, and that's what counts!

  • @Blakeoffire
    @Blakeoffire 11 лет назад +1

    Well done Dickie... Hugely informative on many pertinent points and also entertaining - your expression @ 1:40 was good for a quick laugh and set the tone for a fun vid to come.. cheers ;)

  • @fitjerk
    @fitjerk 11 лет назад +1

    GT86 has fucking Prius tires. Give both the cars the same tyres and the Ford will never stand a chance.

  • @mylexicon2
    @mylexicon2 11 лет назад

    One turbo car vs. one naturally aspirated car in the era of understeer. Results were predictable, though I was a bit surprised the GT86 stayed within two seconds. The real problem for the GT86 is that it costs as much as a fully-loaded Focus ST. The Focus would probably have manhandled the GT86.
    Long story short, without sharp handling and low long-term maintenance costs (compared to a turbo), the GT86 is sort of a novelty.

  • @Hereyouthatwillbrite
    @Hereyouthatwillbrite 11 лет назад

    Except it's going to be more than double that bhp difference at peak, never mind the added torque and hp increase throughout the entire rev range. The joys of new tech means that the vast majority of under-steer on fwd cars has been eliminated. So as I said, the GT86 will be doing a lot of chasing down.

  • @tombuckley91
    @tombuckley91 11 лет назад

    Truth be told, it doesn't entirely surprise me this news. However, what I will say is that the Toyota isn't built stock ready for the track at all. Toyota supply the 86 with Prius rear tyres, the purpose of this being the limited grip so more of the time the back end is playing around. This is obviously a hinderance when trying to set lap times. After swapping out the rears when we got there, you would not believe the difference it makes. Ford stock > GT86 stock - 86 potential > ford potential

  • @Shadowboost
    @Shadowboost 11 лет назад

    Yes they will... The Fiesta already has to be careful on the throttle and wait for the steering to straighten to put the power down. The Toyota is so held back traction wise it can gain seconds a lap from a set of stickier tires. It's significantly handicapped in braking and entry speed and exit because of oversteer. 20-30 hp ain't gonna shave off that kind of time. The straights aren't even that long

  • @deancostello14
    @deancostello14 11 лет назад

    Wow, with the Fiesta? It's £16,995 and the BRZ/GT86 is £24,995. It's a huge difference here. Everyone will be looking at the 250bhp+ turbo hot hatches for the price of the BRZ.

  • @Clesarie
    @Clesarie 11 лет назад

    I dont know how your euro ST compared to our Fiesta ST as you've had the st brand for awhile. We just got it but the small displacement 210 hp turbo'd engine is vastly fun and in the states a fully loaded fiesta ST is 30,000 where as BRZ is 28,000 and a frs is 25,000. A fiesta ST without the recaro seats, nav and its all inclusive upgrade package is only around 20,000.

  • @fatboy19831
    @fatboy19831 11 лет назад

    For the record. I am getting 37 mpg on my highway runs. 30 mpg around the suburbs. If I am really pushing it I get about 27 mpg.

  • @TheMiddlekey
    @TheMiddlekey 11 лет назад

    Try comparing the brz/frs to a focus st... with which it is more closely priced and see what the difference is. The brz/frs falls even more flat on its face.

  • @onehorsepower
    @onehorsepower 11 лет назад

    Not really, a badly sorted car will be very hard to control if you let it slide a lot and give all kinds of weird feedback. And while the tyres themselves have low grip in a, literally, hot situation like track driving, the GT86's well sorted chassis still pulls 0,9 to 1G on these normal street tyres depending on what skidpad is used.

  • @Mr_Sentoo
    @Mr_Sentoo 11 лет назад

    Rwd vs Fwd and NA vs FI really doesn't make any sense this comparison. Fiesta st doesn't make you feel anything when you drive, same as the Polo GTI, you go from point A to point B. In the GT86 you take a longer twister road to arrive at your destination because its so much fun to drive. The back seats are purely there for kids because you won't fit a full sized adult. So again nothing compared to a hatchback.

  • @derbigpr500
    @derbigpr500 11 лет назад

    Fiesta already has good enough tires and in proper dimensions. GT86 has eco-tires with zero grip, and they're very narrow as well. GT86 needs 225's in the front and 245's in the rear.

  • @artvertex
    @artvertex 11 лет назад

    In my opinion, keep the Prius tires on the 86 when you're alone on a track, so you can drift even at low speed as 60 kph. Get a better tires if you're going to race with your friends.

  • @TheMedicinalMan
    @TheMedicinalMan 11 лет назад

    Which will completely void warranty. Doesn't matter to some people, like myself, but a lot of AutoX participants want a stock car. The GT-86 won't be able to keep up on a track with any form of straight away but on a tight compact track the GT-86 will end up winning if you add better rubber to both cars. That being said Ford has been doing a lot of things right lately, I just personally will never sink money into a car that looks like a cat fish like the Fiesta and Focus do.