Spectating Bronze Moira who says they deserve a HIGHER RANK
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Update: I’ve taken everyone’s advice and I’m officially out of bronze 5 in my way to silver ❤️❤️❤️ I still have a lot to work on but I’ve gotten lots better. Thank you everyone.
As a plat Moira main, what I noticed was a TON of overhealing, too. Your spray WILL run out, and your team is fully healed. Theres no need to KEEP spraying them.
nah, keep the golden showers coming.
@@MilitanT07 🤣
*piss
@@MilitanT07bruhhh 😂😂😂
I always love the difference in attitude from Emongg and Flats with spectating bronze. Emongg is like a supportive uncle trying to be optimistic while Flats is like a full-on dissapointed grandma for full on roast.
I get the difference in submission as Flats deals a lot with breaking the ego, but I just admire the difference.
Flats is kind of annoying to me because he himself also has a massive ego
Not gonna lie, i stopped watching Flats's bronze series because of that. Granted, he's an amazing player, so he kinda gets a "free pass" on it, and i don't know how much of that is "real" Flats vs "Twitch" Flats, but his ego is almost as big as he's tall!
@Lucas Freire I kind of get that if we were to take it seriously. However, part of me thinks he's just being extra for entertainment especially how the submitter presents themselves whether trolly or not. Sometimes he turns into a cheerleader for other players, so part of me just sees it more for roast entertainment in comparison to something like this or KarQ where it is more for serious step by step teaching.
@@HmongHeroo it also gives people that like that type of video something to watch too. I prefer emonng, still like watching flats' cheater spectating videos though
@Lucas Freire i dont think flats has a big ego, i think that his fans submit it to be roasted, whereas with emongg, his audience is gonna expect more constructive criticism just bc of the difference in personality. i love flats and he makes it v clear the roasting is all in good fun.
love his spectating bronze as well as emongg's. if flats genuinely had a big ego it would shine through more in his gameplay, i think
That Moira's Rein must work in a community kitchen or something, given how much ult charge he was feeding the enemy team
It's always hard to judge from one game, sometimes you just pop off. Other times you color the wall with bullet residue
Definitely beyond Bronze 5. Had a decent team so not pressured enough for a gold test but low silver is reasonable.
yeah i definitely think they're a little beyond bronze!!!!!
I am not sure because I am not in bronze but here is why I think they are in bronze.
1. They enemy team didn't punish their positioning in the open in this game, but maybe will in other games.
2. Playstyle is extremely safe but not impactful. Did they play poorly? No, but honestly their team probably could have won if they went afk. It was a huge team gap.
3. People who believe they are in a higher rank will usually send you one of their best games to get validation. They didn't die once so they assumed this was a great game. Chances are this is one of their best games and not a true representation of how it normally goes.
Idk im pretty sure even low silver uses moira orb off of cooldown, like actually every single time it comes up they used it. The moira got blessed with lopsided match making, even tho the Moira did essentially nothing their team rolled. Theres an argument to be made that you or i contributed the same amount as the Moira.
@@thebeesknees6896 People play different. Im a gold/plat Moira and I dont fire orb right off cooldown all the time. Sometimes I hold for emergency response, especially in a situation where my team is handling themselves well. Its situational.
@@shihoblade thats the point bro what are you saying. The issue is they are using the cool down recklessly and more often than not they threw a random orb with full hp teammates. This is moira gameplay from the TRENCHES of bronze.
"Someone on Kings row just got healed" 😂😂
The Moira should have put another video up for review. Her team carried her, specifically the Ana with the nades.
Agreed, if they're 5 ranks below where they should be, they should be carrying the team, not the other way around.
Yeah wtf was the point of sending in a video of their team full holding? There was no challenge here - just a wasted opportunity for free coaching.
yeah, there were not many situations where we can see moiras true colors in this gameplay
I would just like to say thank you to Emongg and all of the people here offering actual advice. My fiance really enjoys the game and were gonna be working together to grow as players and get better at the game. You have no idea how excited she was when she saw that you were reviewing her video. There were a lot of good pointers and such that i think she will get better. Hopefully in the future she will have a video for you of her growth. Again thank you Emongg and all the others who gave advice.
i am glad he listened i wish you both a happy life
I'm just gonna give a quick list as someone who plays to much Moira
1. You don't need to heal people as soon as they take dmg, and are nearly full HP you can save the resources for a few seconds and they'll be much more impactful
2. Using heal orb off cooldown is a waste especially for full HP targets. Though its beneficial to use dmg off cooldown due to the heal ammunition regen
3.If your going to use coal for dps I suggest throwing a dmg orb out and then using it as you'll kill targets noticeably faster and Moira ult goes through teamates and enemies so you can dps while still being behind your tank
4. Positioning behind walls is much safer then behind rein especially in higher elos though doesnt allow for dps so only do it against widow, ash, hanzo etc
5. If your team is full HP or nearly full HP. Dps (:
6. Good luck (:
They really should have sent in another video. The ana's on either team were carrying the fights, but the friendly ana was better. Speaking as a GM 3 support player, moira is an absolute beast in metal ranks and diamond and I have zero issue climbing out of them with her because she can pretty much do it all, and utility is not usually an issue. I find that up until Masters 2 when the DPS can actually duel (and win) moira becomes less viable, and you need to focus on surviving and enabling your team. If they are serious about climbing they should ask themselves "Why wasn't I mercy to support the poke(ish) comp?
The extended healing on anti-targets was really bad, which gave them a lot of down time where they were literally doing nothing for the team. Versus a mercy which could have at least damage boosted the ally, giving them a better chance to win duels and survive.
I'm not going to give out any Moira related advice, since I think people like TeslaOW do a great job, and is personally who I watched years ago when I picked her up. My only advice to anyone hardstuck in metal ranks (especially bronze) is that:
1) This is comp and you need to get out of the "I'm a __ main" mindset. You are SUPPORT and you need to be whatever the team calls for. But also use your judgement and know when to switch if something isn't working.
2) Learn healer comps. When climbing out of the metal ranks in Tank, I was so confused why bronze players thought lucio/zen could sustain the squishies, let alone me the Tank on the frontlines taking the abuse! (And then having the audacity to tell me I'm trash :p). Two off healers can work, but not in the metal ranks when damage is inconsistent and raw healing is needed.
3) Off role! Dip your toes into Tank especially. See what it likes to be in the fray with ALL eyes on you, completely different from Support. And see what it's like to go up against an Ana who has your number, versus the "moira main" on your team that cannot sustain you against a nano'd enemy player :p
4) Actually do number 3. I promise you it's the missing link.
You should try to be more aggressive NOT TO AGGRESSIVE but if your team doesn't need healing badly then definitely start dealing damage. Only use your healing orb to heal your self, your tank if they are losing health to fast, if your most of your team needs healing, or someone far needs healing and if a player just needs a little bit of health the just do a click of healing instead of holding it down.
"Help me find out what I'm doing wrong?" sends a short match where his team does everything and he can just sit still healing.
No one stays in bronze 5 for no reason. if he deserved silver he'd be teetering on Bronze 1 or 2. Watch a long game where he lost and I guarantee the reason will become apparent.
he could also just not play much over those 3 months.
bronze 5 spans (iirc) 1500 SR - from 0 sr to 1499 sr.
every single other rank from bronze 4 and up spans something like 150 sr.
so you have to grind the equivalent of an entire rank just to leave bronze 5 to bronze 4.
if dude only plays 20 or so comp games over those 3 months they aren’t going to climb.
what overwatch needs is wood and iron ranks in order to separate the lowest of the low from the ones who just got kinda unlucky or didn’t understand the game when they first joined but do now.
@@Very_Okay if he only plays a few matches. And started from the bottom of bronze 5, then he is also wrong that he deserves silver
@@sanddagger36 valid
And they chose this match to send in, this is the best of the best
@@Very_Okay1500 SR is when silver starts. i believe bronze 5 would be 0-1000 though
Das me. Thank you for the criticism I think I know what I need to improve on now. I didn’t realize overhealing was a thing tbh I’m so used to heal heal heal. :)
Each time you heal someone, they will heal a little more over the next second or so. Unless someone is critical health, try controlled bursts.
Probably shouldn’t be bronze 5, just slightly higher at bronze 1 or 2 tbh. The biggest thing I saw was the lack of gamesense/awareness and reaction time. Healing ice blocked mei’s or purple’d teammates and being very slow to react to threats like Mei ult or a leaping winston.
Tbf, the Mei thing I still do cause I’m still kinda used to being able to heal her through the block 😅 as a diamond even 🤣
Consider whether this might be one of their best games. If so, bronze 2 is probably too high.
That Ashe was rolling, it is hard to judge gameplay here next to that Ashe.
As a Moira enjoyer, there's definitely stuff that this person needs to work on:
1. Better orb placement. Some of these orbs are rather questionable, but some practice could help with that. Try not to prefire orbs too too early, as they'll fly past your team before they have any chance to heal them. As you Moira you tend to play rather close to your team, so you don't need to prefire orbs as much as you think you'd need to.
2. You seem to use your healing spray much too liberally, be it spraying at nothing (I'm still unsure what was going on there) or spraying much too long at people with full health behind cover. If your team was much more pressured and taking more damage, you definitely would have run out. Just a short spray for people behind cover will do.
3. Feel free to get the little more aggressive/play closer to your tank. You play very cautiously, like you're scared you're gonna get shot at. Moira has great movement, she can't be damaged during, it's on a low cooldown and you have a lot of control of where you want to go. Use that to your advantage, you can always move back if you need to.
Moira is a great character to use to try to get out of Bronze, but to do so, you need to make plays. Sitting in the back and just healing your team isn't going to help you climb when your team doesn't stomp the enemy team. To get out of the low ranks as support you need to be able to carry your team, and I currently don't see that initiative for you to get out of bronze, but I'm sure you'll be able to if you take everyone's advice to heart
I really like these videos 😊 they help me know what I should do to better my own gameplay or at least what to focus on. Even the bingos help but these especially
They also sent a lot of healing orbs towards full-health allies.
One thing I see Moira players do that frustrates me is hold down their left click for far too long. It's a heal over time and there's no need to waste the resource. I either see people use too much damage or too much heals.
I can testify that rank is absolutely busted right now. I have only started playing a bit of Overwatch 2 since the release, and haven't played DPS at all and suck at it (I consistently have the lowest DPS/Kills on my team). I did my placement games recently and landed in Plat 4.
My friends on the other hand, who are way better mechanically and die way less due to bad positioning all placed around low silver/high bronze).
ikr
You have higher starting MMR so when you a bit early on you climb much much higher, meanwhile the lower you are the less xp you gain by winning
New accounts can rank up faster then older accounts
I went 5 wins and 2 losses and somehow deranked by 2 ranks... its so wacky, hopefully it gets fixed soon.
I think this video is the most educational I've seen from emongg. Seems like he really wanted this moira to play better 😂
I believe that sometimes they accidentally threw a healing orb instead of a dmg orb. If you are healing and are trying to do throw an orb it’ll register what you were doing if it was quicker. I’ve definitely thrown a dmg orb when I meant healing because I was damaging before hand.
One of the thing I had to learn playing Moira was not to overuse orbs and be more strategic with them. As a Moira one-trick, this vod actually hurt to watch. It just reminds me of when I first started playing Moira, tbh.
Yeah idk where I place in ranked since I basically just started but I see a lot of my own mistakes being pointed out here lol
Tbh even if Moira is not the most demanding character in terms of accuracy for aiming, improving how well you aim will improve the ability to send orbs where you want them. And incidentally avoid lampposts and the like more often than you tend to hit em now. 🙃
This guys needs to get more value from healing. Short bursts primary heal to keep team topped up, fire orbs at the walls to bounce it back into the team. Save dmg orbs for squishies who get out of position. Also more calls for the team to group up. Tight grouping gets more value from her primary.
4:00 I think communication is important like I've sent healing orb to a teammate whos in a fight and after I sent it to them they change position and not get the orb and die while they could stand still or back up to get orb. A LOT of bronze players don't communicate though like I join the vc and say hi and there's usually no one there and maybe one person sometimes. That is also why people usually get stuck on bronze bc the other ranks don't do that therefore they play more organized. When in bronze, everything is so chaotic bc no one knows what they're doing. I always did better in games when there was people in vc bc they could come out with little plans like "my ult is ready, we ult together so we can team-wipe." or "lets go high-ground" or do call outs.
a moira should be able to solo carry almost every game in bronze if u cant then u deffo belong there
You only use your heal balls when
1) Too far from your team
2) Running out of heals
3) Between a fight
"I should be higher rank." Proceeds to click the wrong buttons nearly every single time.
“Someone on kings row just got healed” 😂😂😂
I don't know how Emogg didn't bring up the Moira's preference for spraying heal on their team when no one was hurt. They would burn through 50% or more of their healing between fights for teammates who were full HP.
Bro i almost choked on my drink when he said:
Someone on kings row got healed
for realll 😭😭😭
This is what I mean that there's more to just 'wins' in OW. People got super salty with me before when I said there's underlying stats taken into account. If rank was based on wins alone, (like people flipped out on me about) - going 5:0 should obviously make you climb, but there's definitely more to it than just wins. I'll go 6:4 and climb, but people will adamantly say ranked is all based on wins because some dev said it once. There are definitely other calculations happening in the background.
It’s based off wins and MMR
@@dope9555 yes, I had people flaming me for days saying rank was only based on wins
one thing about the orbs ill say being a plat support player, sometimes if ur healing or damaging and wanna put out the opposite orb sometimes itll glitch or something and send the one you didnt mean to send
From my pov as a more or less Moira/Mercy main, definitely a lot of overhealing using up your rss when they're already full/85%+ thus either wasting healing orb or your spray + not letting the other support build a (in case of Ana) more useful ult at times. What I personally like to do, when the team is full health and I see like 3 enemies in front is throw an orb in one of the flanking spots as you can hear when it damages people thus youre able to spot flankers or make them back up. But that's just me and idk if others do that or consider that a waste of an orb.
Also her spray heal lingers for a little thus just tapping them will keep em up sometimes as well as tapping the damage succ™ will do similar things in filling up your meter faster again (good if you NEED that meter up to save someone)
Some reactions videos could be like making a list of what happens in it, expecting nothing, noting everything
I think this is the only Moira player who heals too much
I would say at the very most at this moment dude deserves bronze 4 at the very most. The game doesn’t stick you in your rank for no reason. If you miss this many orbs in a short game I’d hate to see how many are missed in a long game 😂
this is cute. it really reminds me of when i first started playing moira😂 i love it
mmm i mean they weren't feeding their ass off so that automatically means they shouldn't be Bronze 5. A lot of stuff done incorrectly but I would honestly chock that up to the game not teaching you shit about the characters.
1. Moiras main heal is a Heal Over Time (Hot) that heals for 51 hp over 3 seconds. It heals for a set 70 hp per second if you hold the yellow beam on people, then does the 51 heal afterwards after you stop.
2. Orb will slow down to heal or damage people so you don't need to throw the heal one preemptively
3. Fade is on a 6 second cooldown. This is why you see Moiras in general play fairly aggressively since you have a get out of jail free card. This Moira was playing wayyyyyy too safe.
4. On that Fade note. You are more free to follow your tank/dps to flanks or side angles to heal them since you can just peace out if things get hairy.
4. Emongg said it but throwing the purple orb will get you back your healing resource when it hits people.
5. You can fade during ult now because blizz thinks characters shouldn't have weaknesses.
Those are just the small things people would see with this player that honestly if they start paying attention to that will probably enough to get them to plat.
I’m the Moira and this comment is gonna help me 1000% thank you !!
Ahhhh I remember this from stream lol
So my buddy just started playing and he was obviously terrible when he started and he had a 30% win rate for season 2 and 3.
But hes now found mei and is really good as mei and has a 70% win rate in season 4, but has been stuck bronze 5 since, hes ranked about 4 or 5 times this season now so it's not like a high win rate due to a lack of games but if he checks his overall winrate it's about 40% or something like that which is what I told him is the reason hes reranking as bronze 5 no matter how many flawless 5 wins he gets inna row.
but it still sits with me weird because he plays alot of qp with me and my mmr is probably around diamond in qp as I am a diamond dps in ranked and hes been practicing in those lobbies and is now good enough to combat players with dimond and master titles which may not be what they are on the role they're currently playing in the qp match but hes a player able to compete with these players well enough, but still cannot even hit bronze 4 despite having crazy win streaks and even if my theory is correct, this seems like a very discouraging things as hes been playing his ass off this season only to be hard stuck bronze 5 without any idea on if hes even able to rank up, the poor guys only deranked since starting overwatch, and as a player that's hit gm in ow1 a few times I can tell you he is not bronze material.
I got that heal orb In kings row. Thank God because I was on 1 Hp
What is the background song played at the beginning?
Person might need to play on color blind. They kept healing full health allies. They also kept trying to heal people that were antied by Ana.
I never throw healing torbs anymore now that they buffed damage torb, I only throw damage torbs and spray the pepe for heals.
I play Moira quite a bit. This guy deserves bronze. The reason they’re bronze is primarily because they’re healbotting. Seeing them do absolutely nothing in the first round for minutes on end tells me everything I need to know. They’re neither doing damage nor healing much because the team was full health. Every game they win is carried by teammates.
I’m in this boat rn and have said theses exact words but I feel like I’m gold or better
down in bronze 5 full holds on havana 1 always happen at the first corner
So if this helps him with the fighting and hopefully he can read this but I’m plat 1 Moira max diamond 3. But just from seeing his mid range playstyle is what I do. Th main difference is I tend to stick with the tank for pocket heals and let my other heals go for dps. Front there if my tank is taking on a single enemy, I’ll throw a damagr orb out while spitting heals on the tank. If the tank is facing multiple, then I throw a heal orbs out to help heal us both up and I go dps moira them to give my tank a 1 up in the fight.
just wondering what i would have to do for one of my bronze games to be watched
charlie day overwatch edition
Yes I was in King’s Row and about to die, but then Moira healed me.
If they played moira like this silver they'd get rolled
If you throw moira orbs at the ground, out in the open, you deserve your rank
The only common factor is them.
as a gm moira main i can say he just need better position and not be a healbot lol
not as bad as when i dropped a 40 bomb and two 30 bombs back to back to back in valorant and it put me in iron 💀that was when i first played valorant
It's that nolan?????
It's actually a Moira bugs where a large percentage of Moira players are stuck in Brontce
😂😂😂😂😂
If there is something strange for the classification... no matter how many times I win 5 games, they always pass me from bronze 5 to bronze 5... and the game always tells me... you are above 99% of the players in this division ... having started at gold 5 this season... there has been no way to rank up, no matter how many times I win...
I think the average bronze player is generally better then average OW1 bronze. So its interesting to see some of these videos where some of these bronze players actually have decent mechanics (watch how the ashe carried hard lol)
Additionally, I think starting with Moira on this type of style, is alot better for your long term play and goals in the game then if you listen to tiktok. If you just start off being aggressive then you never read the entire field before attempting to make a play. Moira, while great at dueling, does fuck all if your team dies. So being more conservative then punishing flankers or someone out of position is her best style through midfight. Her mobility allows her to either chase or to get out if a duel doesnt go well, but its important to use her resources to the team advantage, not just herself. That being said, coalescence is her best ability, you should be farming that as often as possible.
I disagree about Moira. Her ideal play style is ninja flanking backlines while using her mobility to rapidly escape or reposition herself behind the team. If you're focusing more on healing, you should play a different healer, because you're getting 75% maximum value out of your kit.
@@asimplewizard Fair. i was just trying to point out how like, the over aggressive style of playing mostly dps moira tends to either piss off your team, or get you killed (or them killed). I advocate for the heal centric approach when first learning her, to get the good habits of reading the field and how to find the flow of the fight when playing her. Just playing dive moira and attempting to duel all the time will only bring you limited success. After all, if your team dies, moira dies.
@@akimomalrov3241 I sort of agree. It's like how training wheels help you learn but you'll never get past a certain point with them on.
If you don't learn how to flank and when to reposition to your team, you won't be able to advance past X level.
@@asimplewizard
Moira is definitely good with assasination, or at least freaking the enemy backline a little bit, but it’s not really that badly needed in Silver. Maybe Gold.
Moira still has ridiculously good heals outside of that part of her utility, so I’d say healbotting will get you easy rank ups for a decent amount of time. I don’t see how any other support would be better as I’ve often outhealed every other support using her (except weirdly I’ve never been able to put heal a Lifeweaver, and that’s before the buffs, I still don’t understand why everyone complains about him,)
That being said, it’s ridiculously fun to bully Widowmakers as Moira. I also firmly believe it’s Moira’s responsibility to kill any Genjis, as my teams can never track him while he’s jumping, Moira’s basically the only one who can get a hit, even while he’s deflecting. And she should at least get some damage on tanks that are currently using an ability to eat projectiles. Especially Sigma, because The Iris knows my teams just LOVE giving him the overhealth, SOMEONE has to damage him enough to negate that.
@@VirixPhilia okay, so the divide may be that I consider healing to be the least important part of a supports kit.
With Moira I flank backline and bully people, with Zen I discord and bully tanks
With Bap I hold high ground angles and assassinate people
With ana I pick off easy targets
Ect ect
Basically healing is only done to stop someone from dying or preheal bad situations. Ana, zen, Bap, ect are all better for heals, since they can do it long range without repositioning or putting themselves in as much danger.
Once I stopped trying to heal my team I went up from plat to GM over a season and a half lol.
moira has already so little value that any wasted cd is a big deal I would just play something else even if the mechanics are bad at the beginning
I'd say too much healing orbs (and too much heal overall - healing full health or anti'd targets). I use it if I need a lot of heal fast.
A lot of times your left click is enough (at least in lower ranks) and you can just pepper it since its healing over time instead of holding it down.
The higher you get (atm high diamond without much playtime and on a winstreak, but I guess I could be .. maybe around mid?high? Masters if I tried; reached to mid diamond with dps in like 15 wins at the start of the season - starting in gold but the last time I played dps I was in silver lol - and I'd say I'm dogshit on dps compared to support xD) the more healing orbs you actually need (and you have ult like every fight).
Also too passive and in the open. She's like waiting for something to happen, just standing there instead of stepping closer and do some dmg (I guess thats a problem a lot of lower ranks have). Playing aggressive and knowing when to back off will get you through the ranks instead of just watching the game from the backline.
What I'd also recommend to a certain extend: You can let someone die (or more than 1), if you know you'll get important kills. It's not about keeping everyone alive or at full health all the time but about winning fights leading up to a game win. Sadly in this video their team was just overall better and it wasn't much of a fair fight but sometimes you get rounds where you really need to give your 200% to get those wins and then you can have a better say in what exactly needs improvement.
Target priority/reaction time was a little bit slow. Coal doesn't do that much dmg, Mercy in valk will probably easy outheal it. The switch onto her was rather slow, could've probably killed her with faster focus. I use coal for killing squishies/already low health targets (or healing ofc).
Orb aim should be trained too. It's going all over the place (we all have those aweful orbs sometimes). :D
Use your enviroment to get the most out of it.
It's good to look out what your team is doing. If you see your team focusing someone, throw your dmg orbs at them or rather the way they want to escape. Sometimes this dmg can secure a kill. Imo a lot of people get away with only little health left that would've died if there was a orb (especially if enemies run behind shields).
Like already told: It's not bad, but also not that good either. Atleast not feeding (and thats already a huge support for your team) but also didn't have any impact and that's what she needs to work on for being able to climb. :)
A good Moira is a menace in lower ranks. Most players absolutely can't handle an aggressive Moira (easily up into plat and even diamond).
At the start of OW2 I felt so bad for my enemies. I basically one tricked Moira until I hit plat (started in b1 if I remember correctly). I used my teammates as meatshields and let too many people die to do dmg instead (wouldn't have played like that in higher ranks but I knew I couldn't rely on my teammates most of the time).
Thankfully my team wasn't complaining since they saw that I carried (but I had a lot of enemies complaining about this no-skill hero). 😂
and to end this: I'd like to see another video of her and how she improved since it's already a month later! 😊
I think I've seen this guy on the TOK before
3:08 This why we need the change they had for April Fools put into the game permanently.
Being able to freeze your orbs manually increased their value AND made playing Moria more tactical and less "heres an orb, pray it does something"....
Me too It is a bug I have gone 5 and 2 and it said I'm.notgoos enough
The best way to get out of bronze is to become the best bronze player possible then you'll get to silver then repeat
ranked is messed up sometimes. i went 5-10 and left 2 and went up from silver2 to silver 1 on dps but i played better on ytank and went down from bronze 4 to bronze 5. also i got placed plat 5 and i got confused because i know i'm not that good.
Yeah I don’t get it. Either I am much worse at the game than I thought or there are still issues with ranked
I had a similar thing. I played pretty decent on tank and my first rank up was silver 4. After the patch hit my rank stayed the same but after a 5-10 re-rank, I went down to bronze 1
And open que was even weirder cause before the patch I was bronze 5, it jumped me up to plat 5💀
This Moira will deserve be higher than bronze when they play a better character instead of the heal and damage only character
plat moira main and i can tell you they aren't getting enough value at all with this play style. a lot of wasted healing where they could be doing damage. they are also way too scared to get up close and moira works best as a dive support pocketing her tank and does more damage the closer she is to the target. this is bronze which means the players are bad so you can actually get away with so much as moira against enemy squishies.
As a moira main, i always have the same amount of damage than my dps teammates.
This is by design. I have had games like this as moira (easily racking up 16k healing/dmg) and we;ll still lose. It's only by watching the replay to see what went wrong that the enemy supports (say an Ana nade, or a zen perma-discording my tank) were getting much more value than me and I was the reason, perhaps among other things, why we lost.
I was doing a lot, it just wasn't valuable. There's a difference.
This Moira would be fine in silver/gold, but they aren't good enough to climb either. Climbing is much harder than staying in a rank
Its hard to say since they could fall apart the moment they get pressured, need to make plays, and need to care about cooldowns. Its good not to feed but bronze 5 isnt just feeders lol
Yeah I also play support I think I belong in diamond or plat but Istg I can’t get there. Gm is too hard to climb out of
I got a 42 and 0 game with moira yesterday I mean my support is only d4 but still
Did they use fade once?
as someone who was >500 SR (LITERALLY. ow1 no longer gave me a number) and is now a gold 3 support, i can say this is easily silver. they did have a really good team as well for bronze, but i agree they've gotta at least be low to mid-silver.
How is it possible to be so bad at OW that you have less than 500 SR me and my friends all reached plat level gameplay in a few months
No hate btw I just don't get it
whenever i see those videos i'm just like: phew okay i'm not that bad (then realize that i had a 9 loss streak bc of ppl like them (and sleep deprivation))
U had a nine loss streak because of yourself. Hope this helps xx
@@splaysnipezz2350 as i said, sleep deprivation. but it's never the fault of one single person, hope this helps (plus, it's called a team shooter for a reason
@@midna9155 you chose to play while sleep deprived. that's still on you. I had to work on only playing quick play when I could tell my brain just wasn't feeling comp (too distracted after a day of work, too tired, tilted/can feel i would be easily tilted, etc) but I noticed a big improvement in my ranked games when I made sure I was in the right mental and physical place for it.
My man thinks he's in the lowest rank in the game because of a bug
Its not a bug, its the special ranking system of Bronze 5
Bronze 4 is 1100 rank points
Bronze 3 is 1200 rank points
Bronze 2 is 1300 rank points
Bronze 1 is 1400 rank points
Silver 5 is 1500 rank points and so it goes...
however
Bronze 5 is 0 to 1099 rank points
You go 25 rank points up or down (ish) per match
So lets say for purpose of this example that you are at rank point 0
That means that even if you go 40-0 your stil gona be in Bronze 5 ...
I think the bug is real. I have à friend playing kiriko with i think a gold level. He's good with heal and kunai, good suzu but even with 5 win he's losing ranks and is actually silver 4 or something like that
He was gold at the end of the last season
man these bronze players are starting to look like what gold used to be
I wish we could see scoreboard in these type videos. I know it barely matters but if ashe was 30-0 with 10k damage and you keep getting carried its possible the rank system wont respect you idk. I thought the gameplay was better than bronze
max to max, bronze 3 to silver 5
I am a bronze 5 Moira main and if I was in that match I would have been screaming at this Moira.
Pull teammates into small areas and bounce the orbs from floor to ceiling. Not side to side. Moira x Rein they should have stuck with the Rein when he went forward.
Wasting the sly and ignoring the Mercy, omg. I am screaming.
If this person is silver then I'm gold 😂😂😂😂
This is a weird one. In 90% of low elo matches I have seen, the issue is universal mechanics, but the person roughly grasps their character.
You seem like a higher elo player picking up moira for the first time. That's not to be harsh, lemme explain.
You're willing and able to keep an eye out, ping, focus on helping your team instead of chasing glory. However, it seems like you're really not respecting moira's kit. As emongg said, you kinda play her like ana.
Respect yer sneeze. It has fantastic hps, AND a lingering heal for 35 hps for 1 secons iirc, so you can sneeze on squishies for a little over a second then focus elsewhere, unless they're actively being targeted.
Respect your resource meter. In the poking phase, it's easy to keep it high with your own poke damage, and easy to use a low amount by healing just enough, and letting the lingering heal do some work. By the time the enemy commits to a push tho, you may well need to expend a ball and a huge amount of your heals to keep the team up. Being stingy with your cooldowns and resources can be helpful.
You aren't really respecting ball. Obviously some of it is just mechanics, and it's not a bad idea to chuck one out in the poke phase for some ult charge and chip damage. But this can be a game changing aoe heal, or an incredible tool for punishing low hp targets trying to get away. (I love supporting a monkey dive with a damage if he is at full hp, for instance.) Damage orb is usually the worse option unless you're trying to pressure or pick a low hp target, because the heal capacity of a heal orb is higher than the damage capacity of a damage orb. (Not sure if there is a difference in ult charge gain tho.)
You're kiiinda respecting her ult. Moira's ult, like most of her kit, is low risk, flexible, lowish reward. You CAN keep a tank very healthy, pressure enemy positioning (through barriers, which is very rare and useful) or target and pick of squishies, but you can almost NEVER do all of these at the same time. More often than not, I try to support my tank while pressuring the enemy by lining up, and then if we have space I will chase squishies. Also remember to toss a ball before ulting unless absolutely necessary. It's a free boost to heals or dps, and its cooldown is almost exactly the same as yer ult duration.
You seemed to have a good handle on positioning with fade, and using yer primary fire, so I will end my wall of text with wishes for good luck, lol
I appreciate this comment. I’m the Moira haha. Thank you. I’m fairly new to games like this and don’t play often so
@@FrixKit good luck! Take some time to play slow, and kinda observe what her kit is capable of (in quick play lol) and I think you will be much better infirmed, and make better decisions and uses of your tools. Have fun man!
It wouldn't be so bad if the matchmaking system would keep all bronze, gold, ect ect ect, together. Having a bronze play in a match with silver and gold tier players just makes for a bad match all around.
Blizzard should just use the system Dead by Daylight uses and call it a day.
They're not doing dumb crap and dying. They know that their buttons exist. They aren't going AFK. Do they have a lot of issues? Yes. Are they bronze? No. Give 'em silver.
is there a gold bug too? LMAO ive gone from Plat 5 support to gold one and have now dropped to Gold 5 and cant get out of there
Its easy to see as a support main why he is where he is: hes not a difference maker. There are no plays being made, his balls dont do anything he is healing fully healed people he is not pursuing squishies he could easily punish on the flank, nothing.
How is it hard for people to go up in rank
I lost a game and went from Gold3 to plat5 and I’m trying to go down in rank 😭 without throwing
now that’s hard
I’m doing some coaching with kids at work on support who are PROPER bronze 5 and I can tell you, this kid is definitely beyond bronze 5.
Yeah a few mistakes around orbs and positioning and dipping out from the tank. But 100% shouldn’t be in bronze 5
Tbh he actually pretty good ngl he just needs a few adjustments to his gameplay thats about it but he definitely a silver
as someone who was stuck in bronze 5 for 3 months also, i then jumped straight through silver and have leveled out in gold. i can relate that support ranking is nearly pure randomness. my tank whent from unranked to diamond in 5 games.....
Spamming healing spray too unnecessarily
for someone to be above bronze 5, there should be worse players playing ranked
and with moira being such an easy hero, i honestly don't see how you could play moira worse than this unless you're throwing
But also at silver he/she is moving in straight lines, will get rickrolled by silver dps.
I to was hit by the bronze 5 but and was originally a plat player. Climbed from bronze to gold in season one playing lucio and moira in support. The first thing I see is he is using up his heals on fully healed targets and needs to get better with damage orb. Moira I think is one of the easiest to grow with if your still in bronze that is not his team that is him. Ps now I play more zen and lucio because zen discord on tank is kinda broken and a ult that nullifies most other ults and all you need to do is stay in the back line and watch for sombra and your good.
Idk if they are bronze 5 but there is like 0 impact besides being a heal bot and with all the missed healing orbs not a very good one.
I main support and i'm bronze 5 and i suck at dps and i got my rank for dps and i'm silver 1 so like i feel like something is wrong. I think i'm at least bronze 1 as support
bruuuuh people who submit stomps for reviews are just frustrating. But the way blizzard handled Bronze 5 is also frustrating. You could cramp in 5 Wood subdivision in this one single division. Will never understand why SR range is that big in B5. And there's also no way for new players to know about it unless they do a thorough research