The 2ND GENERATION F-22 RAPTOR we ALMOST got
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2023
- Initially pitched to Japan as a fighter that could counter emerging threats posed by China, Lockheed Martin’s proposed F-22/F-35 hybrid may have been a losing financial proposition, but if it had come to fruition, it would have been the most capable fighter the world had ever seen.
Let's talk about an aircraft I've taken to calling, the F-22B JOINT STRIKE RAPTOR.
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“Would you intercept me, I would intercept me” 😂 I have loved the F-22 since its inception
Can you imagine; if there were 750 raptors in existence right now?
i dont think we would have the f35 right now...we would be spending so much to keep those 22's running
@@FELiPES101 depends on whose districts the F-35s are made in
I absolutely can...obviously.
Can you describe how the world of today would look different?
They would be 25-27 year old aircraft close to the end of their service life that would soon need to be replaced.
You plan to overtake Mars and Venus with that many planes 😂
The F-22 was a good boy who didn't deserve to be cancelled.
A very good boy.
Cannot have Unquestionable Air Superiority™ and world stability with Bath House Barry™ leading his apology tour
Sec Def at the time was Robert Gates. His focus at the time was the Middle East wars but it cost the US current capabilities.
@@longshot7601 The thing is I remember it being conventional wisdom at the time that the US wouldn't only be fighting Taliban like enemies and that there'd never be another real war. And it's always driven me insane because that sort of thinking is exactly how you get a real war.
@@user-qf6yt3id3w Yep. Attack where your enemy is weak. If you are weak everywhere...
My Father retired from Skunk Works and built the prototypes for the F22 and F35 and he said the F22 was in a different league then the F35. He obviously knew stuff he could never share but I took his word for it.
My biological father worked on these projects also.
These projects gave me a great life and memories.
@@Istandby666 nice. It was always cool knowing my Dad was building stuff like this. The first big one he worked on that I loved was the SR71. Then be able to sit at the end of Ave N and watch it do touch and goes as it took off from Lockheed. Amazing.
A twin engine derivative of the f35 seems like it would be a logical choice to stop gap for the NGAD
Built around totally different design philosophies, and end-user roles, so naturally the F-22 is in a totally different league.
I mean, anything we aren't willing to export is going to be.
One thing I took away from this is how much of a technological marvel the f35 is. And we'll have thousands of them in operation in the coming years. It's mind boggling.
Imagine a high-low mix of NGAD and the Raptor-F35 Frankenfighter.
An even bigger missed opportunity.
It’d likely be pretty scary (but not in a good way)… Most definitely wouldn’t be as capable as it should be for what it’d cost until block 4 or greater (like what’s currently happening with the F35)…
"Low"
Plus all the drones...
@@eurybaricYes, I used "low" to emphasize that if your low-end air superiority fighter is the Raptor-F35 Frankenfighter, then you have insane overmatch for decades
Twin engine is not good for the "low" fighter. Costly upkeep, not naval or STOVL capable, and very fuel hungry. This raptor-35 would have been an incredible opportunity for Japan and Korea's homeland defense though. I don't think they have the budget for it currently and are deciding to build their own 6th gen with America's help.
Somehow, the scariest part of this video was the costs of the plan being "only" $177M in 2018 but being $213M only 5 years later. 😰
Truly. I did a double take.
Welcome to inflation
Yep. Was gonna comment the same thing. It’s been a rough five years on that front
Bidenomics.
@@DriveByShoutingabsolutely right Cleveland guardian bs it'll always be the Indian's
This is the kinda thing that makes me believe military engineers still like to win wars... I'm glad they still thought of doing this
Not for us. For us? They offered the less sophisticated version at nearly double the price.
It was only for a foreign customer who'd never entertain $300m for a design lacking F35 features.
For us? It's "what can we make?" For others, it's "What do we have and what can we deliver it for?"
One guy above said "in only 5 years the price went up by 25%" ... which is almost right.
It wasn't 5 years. Just 1 stolen election and the plandemic they helped cover the theft with
Imagine 220 F22 and 220 YF23. We would have a lot more videos on Sandboxx.
A JS Raptor that merges F-22 air superiority and maneuvering with the F-35’s technology would be a dream. Holy hell, that would be awesome, so if the NGAD is not up to snuff, I’ll likewise be disappointed like Alex.
I LOVE the F-22. ❤
You're telling me that the 22 could have been _even more_ scary and unhinged?!
An F-22 that went to school would be scary, I look forward to HLC talking about the F-22B
She would've been the perfect blend of the Raptor and the Lightening II and its a damn shame it didn't get built!
*Lightning, not Lightening
@@pike100 ,,I,,
The NextGen AF and Navy fighters will simply build on the the F22B concept. It isn't like everything goes away.
but look like the f23
@@keith_jerky3479 The F22 is nice but the F23 was beautiful. Probably too far ahead of its time.
@@jimmiller5600 The F-23 was by all accounts the better aircraft. Just Lockheed were better at boardroom politics...
@@phantomechelon3628 I'm not disagreeing, but "better" can also be "additional risk". And then there was the "industrial base" argument.
Build the F22B -- jointly with Japan, Australia and NATO. That boosts the production run from 150 to 400. And causes Russia and China to simply sit down and shut up for the next decade or two. Production is expensive, war is wildly more expensive.
Can’t we get Qatar to foot the bill again? :)
@@skyserf The shareholders of the F15 and F16 salute you.
@@skyserf That said, I loved the "F21" re-branding strategy. Let the USAF order a couple dozen or a hundred for "continental defense". That stamp of approval would result in another decade or two of foreign sales.
The US can’t share that Technology even with the closest of allies. Waaay too dangerous. Especially seeing what happened with Stealth Technology shared with Turkey. Now the Iranians and China try to copy it.
Best fighter jet channel on the internet. And fighter jets isn't even all you do! Love your videos, brother. Semper fi.
I like how the F-22 was so advanced that only now are other countries starting to catch up
@@LeonAust >the lift fan on the B model is a rolls Royce design gained from Yakovlev
That's just patently not correct. The lift fan in the Yak-38 is not related in any way except for end purpose to the Rolls Royce LiftSystem.
@@LeonAust Yakovlev never had a lift fan, you made that up lol. The lift fan is purely Rolls Royce technology based on Lockheed Martin design. Yakovlev instead used a far inferior 3 engine design, with 2 of the side engines being dead weight after take-off. This was a far worse design which is prone to more failures and heavy maintenance (one of the reason 66% of their prototypes crashed), and funny enough, F35 flew just 9 years afterwards.
Sorry my mis your spot on there!....... three Yak 141 was purchased by Lockheed to examine the VSTOL features, for JSF probably the main engine swivel nozzle at the rear was influenced by the Yak 141 not copied.@@amazin7006
Not even. They still havent even gotten close to catching up😂
@@thatguy46744 Totally agree!! They're not even close to catching up with the raptor, they Will eat the J-20 & the SU-57 for breakfast & fart 💨 out nuts & bolts 😂😂😂
Not a missed opportunity. Its all about range baby!
I have to admit, you could bs me at this point and present a VF-32 from Macross and I’ll believe it. That’s how authentic I think your reporting is. April 1st could be a day as result.
I’m trying to figure out is this a compliment?
Rumor is the DoD had a Light Weight Fighter design known as the YF-52, intended for production as the F-52 for our allies. This was after the former President announced that a foreign NATO partner (Denmark?) had purchased the F-52 fighter.
I think its a compliment on how authentic the reporting is but idk
See your point, I even partially believe Norad are tracking Santa, 😂
@@paulnakari5193 it’s a compliment and an admission of belief.
I know that the JSF is technically more advanced in many ways. The Raptor is just a sexy, sexy jet. A JSR is exactly what I want.
This just tells me the new sixth gen is about to be bananas
Fascinating video Alex! Also, as a Brit whose Air Force and Navy fly the F-35, it made me appreciate what an awesome aircraft it is (initially thought it was just a watered-down F-22).
Of all the money we spent I really love the F-22. Truly believe this is the best plane made in air combat history.
Habitual line crosser should add a ghost F22B. A haunting or imagination fuelled character that is the spectre of his still born or snorted baby brother. I’d haunt me… would you haunt me? You can’t see him? Wow my baby brother is the best at hide and seek.
I think the F-35 will fill the gap before the NGAD comes out. It’s not focused on air superiority like the Raptor, but the situational awareness, sensor fusion, and BVR abilities still significantly outstrip all near peer opponents.
Well said
But an air superiority fighter is still needed?
@Nathan-vt1jz is right it's not about kinetics it's about situational awareness, sensor fusion, and BVR abilities, weapons.
To much money goes into a fighter thus multirole is preferred.
NGAD will be interesting on what type of aircraft it will be.@@andyyang5234
@@andyyang5234 Generally I think we should still field an air superiority fighter. I just think the F22 and F35 will suffice in the interim. Both are significantly better than any near peer platform.
@@andyyang5234 We still have the F-22, which can be kept going for a while. Also the F-15, which is still better than most other fighter jets.
Stealth is most important in the opening days of a war. The stealth assets go after radar, comm, and SAM targets first. Once the enemy air defenses are weakened or destroyed, non-stealth assets like the F-15 become viable. The F-22 is there to kick down the door and let lesser aircraft operate in the battle space.
By the time we send in a B-52, you can bet that the enemy has literally nothing left that can shoot down a plane. If it did, it would fire everything it has at that B-52 because that's the deadliest thing in the air. Nobody wants to get pulverized by B-52 attacks. It's a brutal beast.
Depending on the type of battle we encounter in the future, the F-22 should be enough for now.
I worked at a machine shop a couple years ago that we were machining parts for the NGAD as well as the B21 Raider pretty cool stuff I can’t wait to see what it will end up looking like
Good stuff Alex!
Thanks cat!
😎👍
700 F-22s would scare the heck out of every nation in the world. Imagine a Foe trying to preplan an operation knowing it was going up against 8 Squadrons in the first day of their operation. I suspect we would have a much more quiet world.
I’m pretty sure the F-22 has more IR detection systems than people realize right now (even if they’re likely defensive in nature.)
I hadn’t seen much of anything mentioned on these systems, but was given a personal tour by a USAF demo pilot a while back and all I’ll say is that he wasn’t allowed to comment on what I noticed. This is all public stuff anyone with a good camera can see at any air show, but still an interesting observation IMHO.
That plane looks every bit as sci-fi up close today as it did decades ago.
Shooting missiles at aircraft behind you is wild
This hurts even more than the Navy killing the Super Tomcat
Thanks Alex🇺🇸
Gracias Alex ! You are a wealth of knowledge....Good stuff Brother,,,
Thanks. !!
Thank you 😊
Raptor forever!
Alex is an amazing writer.
Breath Alex! 😂
Real though, great bit!
Where do you get your camera footage from? I have been making airshow video clips and looking for sites to list on.
"King Raptor ready for take off 😎"
I have often wondered why the F22 had AIM-9X when they couldn't utilize the missiles off-boresight potential to its fullest. It's a shame the cockpit was deemed too small to incorporate a full HMDS (Helmet Mounted Display Setup.
The official reason is that giving the 9X/JHMCS combo to 4th gen fighters drastically improves their combat capability, but since the F-22 already started off being so much better, effectively it would only give it a marginal improvement. Plus the Raptor would be less likely to find itself in a post-merge, WVR fight where you really need it, and if it does, its supermaneuverability can help make up the difference.
Which was a smokescreen - the real reason is the obsolete old clunkers of computers onboard F-22 cannot handle the extra bandwidth required by HMDS, even integrating AIM-120D was a real headache due to the increase data rate compared to AIM-120C. F-22 is completely obsolete under the skin - it needs a total refit. Block D on F-35 is a band-aid - that will be the last bodge of a upgrade before a total new avionics refit is required. Essentially F-35 is 20 years old (IT tech wise) and F-22 is 30-40 years old. The planes are so complicated that keeping the systems up-to-date has proven to be impossible unlike F-15 (with EX) and Typhoon where bolting the latest and greatest sensor or IT upgrades on is relatively straightforward - particularly with Typhoon which is totally modular.
@@LondonSteveLeeArh not 30-40 years old, then you are in the area of early home computers and before TMSC chips etc. used in any electronic. If it was that old it would not even be able to handle AIM120A.
Given that the NGAD has already designed, built, and flown a prototype, I would say that was probably the way to go. We need to commit to it and keep ourselves out of any stupid forever wars to distract us and be smart about our strategic moves and maximize our bang for our buck going forward.
Ever since i went to beale afb for a airshow when i was younger and saw a f22 break the sound barrier breifly over the runway and watch it do aireal acrobatics i have been in complete awe of the platform its stunningly beautiful the f15 is also a beautiful platform been able to see those fly at multiple airshows
*briefly *aerial
@@pike100 dude chill I rebuild engines not teach English nobody likes a Grammer nazi
Missed opportunity! Amen to that!
A video about the AAS / FARA (armed scout helicopter) program would be cool. Sikorsky has the S-97 Raider compete with the Bell+Textron 360 Invictus.
The Raider has troop capacity while the Invictus does not, but that gives the Invictus better stealth properties, just like the Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche had. Not sure why Sikorsky abandoned that design, as they first came up with it. Just to push a common scout and transport design when they already lost the Blackhawk transport replacement to the Bell V280 Valor?
The Comanche was abandoned after they found out the stealth characteristics wasn't worth the money invested in the project. Instead of a stealth helicopter that was almost invisible to radar, they got about half of what they anticipated iirc.
@@utleypov stealth helicopters are casually being pursued atm lol
The reason what you call the Joint Strike Raptor was not attractive to the Air Force is that it would still have limited combat range and in a western-Pacific scenario, unrefueled combat range (radius) will be one of the overriding considerations.
Expensive to boot
Stealth FB-111A🤣
Ditto on all that you said! 👏
Alex, with the way that funding and congressional approvals work, it genuinely may have made it to fruition had they used this video as the sales pitch. Even the catchy name would have gotten votes of support. Yet another great video, thanks for all the time and effort that you put in.
Any artwork of the fighter would look like
The F-22 has always had some of the functionality that you exclusively associated with the F-35, such as passive radar geolocation, non-cooperative target recognition, sensor data fusion, and networking (albeit only with other F-22s). These ideas had been around since at least the late-1980s, and were developed along with the F-22. It already had a devastating situational awareness advantage against legacy fighters before the F-35 came along.
Well, at least we now know what the NGAD's base capabilities will be.
I thought this idea was dead and JP was building their own design with the UK and one other country as partners, no?
I believe that most people and even most Congressmen have no idea about the full ability of the F22 and how exactly it would be used in warfare. Most look at the individual capabilities of an aircraft, that are published, and don't consider how they would be used as a total force with all combined assets. Integration has always been this country's best asset against our enemies, which a lot of adversaries have found out the hard way.
That's a huge thing people don't realise when criticising the F-35, they'll compare specs on paper, but if they knew the actual game changing capabilities they'd realise it's one of if not the best asset they've got.
Because of the cost of the F-22 to operate it's much better the US stopped production and this is something most people don't want to acknowledge.
6th gen is going to be superior in almost every way ESPECIALLY the operational cost due to having to recoat the surface of the F22 to provide stealth. And it's that limitation that also means every time a pilot has to kick the F22 up in speed, the aircraft has lost part of its stealth. The fact that the NGAD is supposed to use more of a permanent material for stealth is a big improvement.
And China is about to go bankrupt, or I should say a lot of their local govts. are about to go bankrupt and the CCP is going to have to use QE to bail them out and it's going to drop their currency to near junk, so when they have to buy raw materials or good it's going to be a lot more painful for them so NOT too worried about China for a while, like the next decade because that's probably about how long it's going to take them to recover economically, if they even can.
F-22 was supposed to be chepaer to maintain than F-15. F-35 was supposed to be cheap to buy and operate. It always ends up another way.
Then there is the sudden news of massive military purges in China over corruption in the PLA and PLAN. Unless Winnie the Xi gets backed into a corner there should not be anything to really fear from Chinese military aggression for the next decade.
Although these purges could be a form of disinfo made by the PLA to create a false sense of security so stay alert.
I was really thinking this was going to be about something in the century series like the Ultrasaber or Rapier, maybe with proposed early stealth features.
Same here! I wasn't thinking "2nd generation OF the Raptor," but "2nd generation fighter equivalent of the Raptor"
I've been thinking about this recently. My opinion is that it could still be realistic to expect to see this "strike raptor" come to life, aircraft aren't getting any cheaper, and old airframe design or not, this program might allow the strike raptor to age more like the f16 has, as in: being cheaper than the alternatives, but almost as capable despite its age.
Man, didn't think I'd live to see the day that the F-22 would be considered obsolete...so soon
Look at the F15 reboot, never say never will a thoroughbred Air Superiority fighter like the F15 and the F22! Great Content Alex, thanks for all the hard work.
Isn't the F-22's AAR-56 MAWS rather similar to the F-35's DAS? It isn't integrated and sensor-fused in the same way, but physically it is a similar system that is already installed, and I think one of the upgrades the F-22 is receiving as we speak is greater integration of this system, based on how it's done in the F-35. It won't allow the pilot to see through the airframe, of course (especially with no HMD), but it will be used to increase overall situational awareness like the DAS does for the F-35.
Yep, full agreement. Prefer 180 more lower risk JSF Raptors now, than 200 higher risk NGAD fighters likely later. The former can leverage F-35 supply chain, existing tech, and maintenance/supply software/services. We’re running out of time to prepare…
The NGAD will have something none of the current generations have, and that is a focus on much longer range. This is absolutely crucial for any check on China. As glorious as any of these previous designs might be, they are largely useless in the Pacific theater due to their existing limited range. They are great for Europe, sure, but that is not where the greatest threat is. The NGAD won't be an air superiority 'dogfighter', it won't be as sexy that way, but it is going to be a darn sight more useful for our inevitably limited budgets to maintain.
I seriously hope the NGAD will have supercruise, as they'll need it for those longer range deployments.
Yep people are missing the new operational requirements NGAD will have, I'm super curious just how large it'll be compared to an F-22 or F-15
@@aidanwilliams9452 I'm guessing something like the F-111. It's going to have to be big if they want very long range.
@@aidanwilliams9452 It will be significantly larger than the F-22 or F-15, of that much I am certain, if for no other reason than the extra fuel. But I strongly suspect it will have room for significant internal stealthed payload as well, at least 4 SM-6 internal. I dare say it might not be much smaller than a B-21 and will have a similar feel to it. Of course I am speculating, but it is not a completely uninformed guess.
@@panpiper Yeah hopefully they give it enough room for the hypersonics in development, otherwise only the F-15EX will be able to carry them. With how they're talking about it possibly incorporating a laser they'll also need a lot of power which may require who knows how many additional engines. Whether they go tailless or more YF-23-like we'll wait and see, either way gonna be an interesting design.
This guy is too good when it comes to commentary just watch your back. I’m sure the Commies are watching. God bless you for your ability to push forward the best of the information fox one out.
That's the whole point. Their mission is to counter Commie misinformation and bragging about their junk. The entire right-wing in America from Trumpets to Tucker Carlson advocate for Russias military and technological superiority. Which is blatant lies and russo propaganda.
It seems like the Tomcat-21 was an equally (for it's day) missed op.
Let's hope our F22s dont meet a similar fate 😅
Honestly when a oppurtunity is missed and there never arises the real life situation that would require the platform before the program would have been replaced anyway, then it wasn't a missed oppurtunity.
Yeah...paying for what is basically raptor prices for a quarter of the capability isnt exactly a smart proposal..
@@granatmof *opportunity
@gotanon9659 This so-called Raptor JSF would have GREATLY exceeded the capabilities of the F-22.
How about videos on the proposed swing wing F-22N (definitely would have been in Top Gun: Maverick) and the supersized FB-22 which could have carried a payload similar to the F-111.
I think he did do an FB22 video.
America is not going to be building any more swing-wing fighters. Too expensive to maintain. That feature made the Tomcat very expensive to maintain.
Kinda sad... the F-22 is such a beautiful machine. ❤
Could you do a video about the future of Shorad?
Will short range air defense provided by the laser stryker? Will the Bradley replacement IFV XM30 function as an anti air cannon? Should the US look at the SkyRanger / Skynex / millenium gun system? And will there be a Stinger replacement with a better battery, targeting, and most importantly more affordable? Or is this affordable future the APKWS guidance upgrade for the cheap and plentiful Hydra 70mm rocket? Should we slap that on Avenger Hummvees? Or IRIS-T?
I think the US should really invest into a new shorad air defense system. Laser Stryker is cool, but i am talking anti air tank (or IFV, really).
Team up with german Rheinmetall and get the Millenium gun/ SkyRanger. Slap a 35mm airbust cannon aka longrange shotgun onto Strykers and Bradleys (or their replacement) plus 2 or 4 Stinger misslies. Or the bigger IRIS-T. Hell, develop a new Stinger, and make it 5 times cheaper. The battery on the current ones suck and their age shows. Good shorad weapons need to be affordable and plentiful, not some rare and expensive thing nobody really can get.
The US Army just chose General Dynamics and Rheinmetall as finalists for the 4000 Bradley replacement IFVs.
Could you do a Firepower series video about this program, the two finalists and the other three that dropped out. Or more generally the current state of IFVs (Bradley, CV90, Puma, Lynx) and their most likely future. Maybe even including anti air IFVs like some CV90 variants and SkyRanger.
I can’t believe BAE’s CV90 didn’t make it. I wonder what GDLS and Rheinmetall are offering.
CV90 is a wasted oppertunity.
The MK IV is nothing like its earliest model.
It's also not as hilariously big as the other contestants.
And it has plenty of available variants.
God knows the military could benefit from some parts commonality.
@@kurousagi8155 The fact that they choose 2 finalists rather than a single one to go ahead and fund shows that these are two extremely competitive concepts. Rheinmetall has a lot of new tech they have been working on these last 10 years, tons of work put into programmable ammunition and drone targeting. GD of course has the most experience in this field though and tons of data they can pull from all of their past works
As if they are going to be choosing anyone but general dynamics!!!
@@ADobbin1 but maybe they can "borrow" (steal) some of the goodies from Rheinmetall.
Do you have a whole presentation on that Deltawing Viper ? I saw it in the 90s and wondered why it was nixed ? Thanks
This really miffed me. I had made plans to trade in my 152 Aerobat when I heard about
this. I had to settle for new chrome rims and one of those chrome chain steering wheels.
Those upgrades should keep me going until they show up on the used market. "0_o"
The tooling, jigs etc is stored in a warehouse at Sierra Army Depot. However that doesn't really help as much as was hoped. They need for a new facility and the extensive machine tools and training made the whole project very expensive. I've also heard that the equipment in storage isn't well organized or always labeled properly.
How much have we sent to Ukraine?
This must be the super raptor I’ve read about!! I’ve seen an f22 and an f35 merge with a pair of f16. No chance the adversaries would even get close!
So basically take an F-35 to the mod shop and tune it up into an F-22. That's terrifying.
Fantastic presentation, Alex. Thanks !
they probably never should have shut down raptor production in the first place. they had a platform that was proven to be the most dominant fighter in the world by far. i think its weird that they dont take a platform like that and incrementally improve and refine while also lowering cost due to economies of scale and newer technology. maybe there is a good reason, but it seems like our military could learn from the tech and auto industries. im sure there is good reason
To maintain even a very minimum production line you have to build at least a few planes per year. Without exports they just couldn't do it unfortunately.
@@kbm2055 yes and i think they probably should have kept building a few a year. they certainly built a bunch of f35s instead. and they spent an insane amount of money developing the f35. i just imagine if they took that money and incrementally improved the f22 with avionics and tech, and develop a couple variants like they did with the f35. but have it all based on the f22. maybe the f22 airframe couldnt work with some of the functions the f35 can. or maybe because they needed to develop a jet they could export, while keeping the f22s they have as our air superiority edge
@@randal3122 The F-22 was too expensive for what was needed
Battle meditation is an ability of the strongest force users.
As nice as a 2nd Generation Raptor would be nice, but the most important thing he mentioned is that the costs would have prevented the US from being where we are on the 6th Generation NGAD/FA-XX. A program we are ahead of schedule on.
As it IS, the F-15 is GROSSLY OUTPERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!
F-22 INCLUDED!!!
Thank you for this video.
I've been wondering about EXACTLY this for a few years. Your ability to read my mind is almost uncomfortable.
The hope is that the US Gov't combines the F-22's flight and stealth capabilities with the advanced avionics and electronics of the F-35 into the NGAD and they don't lose sight of technology advancements and the need for improvements. It boggles the mind how the F-35 is inferior to the F-22 in flight capabilities and the short sightedness given to the F-22 program that production lines were removed, yet F-15 lines are still around - wasn't the F-22 replacing the F-15? These type of upgrades would be akin to the what the F-15EX is receiving and yet, is still in production. I guess we had to create something inferior to sell to other countries like the F-35 and retro-modified F-15s.
Makes you wonder what their real priorities are 😅
F-22 was supposed to replace it, but then the USSR fell the 90s came and the US didn't have the same need for those capabilities
The USAF has already stated the F-35 has a lower RCS than the F-22, so literally the only concern here is flight performance, which the F-35 already has decent flight performance for the job.
I'm not sure how you're confused that a single engine plane without vectored thrust is less maneuverable than a twin engine plane with vectored thrust; however, do consider that the F-35A is still a 9 G, 50 degree AoA platform and there are very few fighters in the world that can match that.
Good stuff Sir! This underscores how poorly Congress runs our country. Most of them have a difficult time understanding how to reach equilibrium manufacturing in batches, like most of these jets are produced. Simply cutting the number produced rarely leads to any real cost savings. The F-22 and Stealth Bomber are great examples to cite for that. One of my profs in business school went in depth about the stealth bomber and how would could have have nearly twice as many at the same cost as we paid for 20.
As an inspiring aerospace engineer, I too came up with my idea for some sort of Franken fighter, but instead using more of the F-35 parts to build a frame that looks like the F-22, plus elements from like the F-15 and F/A-18 for improved pilot adaptability in combat.
But due to the lateness of the project and constant design freezes for bug fixing, F-35 is already 2 generations out of date (IT wise) - it needs a total avionics refit, there a limit to what you can squeeze out of a bunch of Intel i960s! - Block D is only a band aid. Starting from scratch would be a much more fruitful endeavour given todays AI accelerated development techniques - F-35 suffers from a lot of the spaghetti design issues that plague F-22. The USAF can see the writing on the wall, they cancelled a massive F-35A order replacing it with F-15EX as the EX is the more modern plane! They know an F-35A order now means block D delivered - which is a dead-end purchase - total redesign needed after that - how much will Block E cost and will it even work? The upgrade alone will probably cost as much as a F-15EX new!
@@LondonSteveLee My idea was to have an advanced low cost fighter to compliment sixth generation fighters.
Echoes of the should have been Super Tomcat!
Somehow I'm not worried about the NGAD, the US has always been capable to produce awesome fighters, at least since the F-14, I'm not that familiar with the even older ones.
Could you do a video on the PrSM :)
_They're considering restarting F-22 production_.
I've almost literally had wet dreams about this!
Imagine you’re tailing a guy and have no clue if he’s seen you yet, then he fires a missile. You’d be like “huh wonder what’s in front of us that he’s shooting at” before the missile just pulls a uey and ruins your day
Still wish we could've had the yf-23
It lost to the F-22,
Because it lost to the F-22.
it would have been nice to have had a small number of them as well as F-22's both planes had there own strong points.
I really wish they would look more into the idea of fielding this upgraded F-22, or a modified F-35 variant more in line with the F-22s air dominance capabilities if they want to phrase it that way, and open it up to our closest allies to drive down cost per unit. Maybe with a secret self destruct charge in case it ever lands somewhere it shouldn't, lol, but even having a few squadrons in the mix might do wonders for deterrence. Since we'll be replacing it with NGAD or whatever in 10 years, it doesn't have to remain in service too long, but could help when the existing F22 inventory starts to drop, especially if NGAD or whatever ends up taking longer than expected to ramp up.
Alex knows where the dead airframes are buried!🤩😍
So correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand what you were saying about the infrared sensors. Because it would be using infrared rather than radar to target an enemy aircraft wouldn't that mean that the enemy aircraft would know it's being targeted?
I think we've all sort of fantacized about this concept ... and it's only more frustrating to think that it'd cost roughly what we're paying for F-15 !! now. The worst part is that when LM quotes our own gov, they propose a 333-million plan ... and reserve the better for less propositions for new customers who'd require the value to even consider it. When it comes to their customer, Uncle Sam ... it's "What can we make off this" ... when it comes to others, it's "What can we afford to deliver and what tech can we use" ... which should be very annoying to taxpayers.
Canadians: The Arrow would have been superior!
British: Clearly the TSR-2 would have been better!
Well, now both, navy and Air Force made a Mistake. The Navy for retiring the F-14 without having an equivalent replacement fighter, because in my opinion the F18 isnt near anywhere of the capabilities the Tomcat had, no offense against Hornet fans, still a great plane :) and now the Air force for not evolving to the the Joint Strike Raptor.
I thought that all the super advanced tooling Lockheed had developed for the F-22 was destroyed.
No they were told to mothball the tooling in case it was needed in the future.
Could engine upgrades, including a moveable thrust nozzle, allow future F-35s a higher top speed, super-cruise and more overall maneuverability ? Maybe not on the level of the F-22 but it seems like a hybrid F-35 4-ship flight group could be employed to defeat incoming air to air threats along with strike capabilities.....?
Agility, Maneuverability, and "Gen 4 Hot-Rod" performance of the F-22 coupled with the brains, avionics, the ability to control drones, and systems modularity and upgradeability of the F-35 combined in one deadly airframe... That's just a war crime in the making, at this point. 😅
One thing I don't understand is, you have been talking about some new fighters that are in operation that fly some great speeds and what they can do.
Also, you never touched on the point that drones may fill out the "numbers" game in the near future. (You did that in previous videos, but some viewers may have missed that one.)
With AI being tested in the F-16s, soon we may be seeing 5 drones for every manned fighter jet. We will need a very advanced 6th gen fighter to control those loyal wingmen and AI attritable strike drones. And the cost per drone is a fraction of the cost of a manned fighter, with none of the danger to our valuable pilots that cost almost more (in terms of dollars, and a lot more in terms of life) than their aircraft.
NGAD seems to be more of a dream because it would surely be in its test flight stage about now, but there is not so much as a peep about it. that means the Raptor is still king and it needs support especially right now in this world
My brother is Christ the usaf is announcing the winner of the contract this year. This is public information that you can google
It's a classified program. Of course we're not seeing it.
@@fakecubed WW3 is months away not years, where the hell is NGAD
On a par for par period assessment, would the updated raptor be on par with the super tomcat 21 for a missed opportunity that should have been taken
would the F-22"B" be the worst missed opportunity knowing the Lockheed L-133, with the L-1000 axial-flow turbojet, was just one step away from becoming a reality?
had it been built in 1942 and it would outclass the Me-262
the P-80 was proposed one year later and started flying by 1944, the L-133 would likely be introduced by 1944, right around the same time the Me-262 was accepted for service