The Bruins Winning Shouldn't Change Their Path: Retool | Bruins Beat
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofsky and Conor Ryan discuss the current state of the Boston Bruins. Could the team's recent success sway management's direction at the deadline? Or should the team move towards a retool regardless. Plus, Evan and Conor talk about the future of captain Brad Marchand. All that, and much more!
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Bruins snag a win over San Jose
But the underlying numbers...
Saturday's loss was a heartbreaker
Talking trade candidates
The Capitals have the model
The future of Brad Marchand
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Respectfully, I think you guys know that without an elite 1C, there are no deep playoff runs in the near future. I’d like to stop hearing about trading low value players for low value picks (Geekie for a first is not happening) and hear more about how this team goes about getting a 1C. All other discussion is pretty pointless otherwise with that elephant in the room.
Geekie could net a 1st round pick. If you don’t think that’s possible, then you really don’t know much.
First round picks outside the top-five (or in SOME years top-ten) selections really aren’t as valuable as one might think. This isn’t the NBA or NFL.
Geekie is a guy who has demonstrated he’s a worthwhile top-nine NHL forward, and he still has a year left before reaching UFA status. That’s a valuable player.
Not really much to say other than “it’s extremely difficult”. Even if they tear it down to the studs and get a top 5 pick, that’s only giving them a chance at a 1C. It’s not guaranteed that player would pan out, or that there’s even a center ranked where they’d be picking.
And if they try to get one through later picks or trading/free agency, it’s even harder. Last time it happened in free agency was… maybe Tavares? Last time it happened through trade was Jack Eichel, they should have paid whatever it took to get him when he was available.
@@justin4364Good analysis. My minor gripe with these podcasts is that a true 1C is an obvious glaring need but it feels like is being purposely overlooked. As if somehow this team can be a championship contender without one.
It also bothers me that folks keep talking about a “retool”when guys like Mac, Pasta, and Marshy allegedly can’t be moved. “Retool” sounds little more than a specious buzzword because people refuse to believe this team’s time has come to start over. It’s a hard cap world but ownership, the media, and a lot of fans refuse to live in it, as if being one and done in the playoffs each year is a suitable alternative.
People seem to want to have a high floor, low ceiling team than one that could potentially take them all the way a few times ala Tampa, Pitt, Detroit, and LA. Cats have also been to b2b cups. People love to bring up teams like Buffalo as a reason not to rebuild while forgetting these other teams that had to start from scratch.
Last summer's signings will make a retool more difficult. Saddled with a couple under performers for half a dozen years.
We don’t know that Lindholm and Zadorov will continue to be “under-performers” in the future. Veteran players sometimes have “down” years and “up” years. It happens, often. Lindholm just turned 30 in December; Zadorov turns 30 soon, in April. These are both solid veterans who are capable of “bouncing back” to have good, productive seasons during their age-30 to age-33 years.
Don’t count them out just based on their most recent 50 games.
Bruins haven't drafted that great for many years and whereas they get potentially good young players they either mishandle them or duds
Wow, that would be the big move we need.
Evan, you’re right. They did matter.
Sweeney is going to bring darkness to this team for years if he isnt fired.
I can't get behind these takes. Trade marchand? Trade Frederic? For what?
Highly talented and connects well with Pastrnak.
There was a line that was briefly assembled in one game and I’d love to see it re-united. Geekie Fredric Pastrnak.
Also, you 100% have to draft in order to build up the prospect pool and farm system and those picks have to be made in the 1st and 2nd round
NHL historic draft metrics say 75% of 5+ year NHL players come from the 1st and or 2nd rounds
After you get past the 3rd round those NHL historic draft metrics in rounds 4 through 7 fall off a cliff down to the less than 10% zone
So whether you like or you hate Don Sweeney's 1st and 2nd round picks since 2015....
NO ONE can like Don Sweeney's results in the 3rd-7th rounds of the NHL draft since 2015 at forward and defense simply based on one thing and one thing alone, his results
Games played leader on Defense drafted by Don Sweeney in rounds 3 to 7 since 2015?
NO ONE!!! Not a single defensemen drafted by Sweeney in rounds 3 to 7 has ever played a shift in the NHL for Boston or any other NHL team to date
Games played leaders at Forward drafted by Don Sweeney in rounds 3 to 7 since 2015?
Jacob Lauko and his 83 games for Boston, then Oscar Steen (60) then Joona Koppanen (5)
That's it. Don Sweeney's haul in rounds 3 to 7 at forward and defense in 10 years of drafting are...
Drum Roll...Drum Roll...Drum Roll... Noting on defense then Lauko, Steen and Koppanen at forward
What a treasure trove of talent :)
So yeah, I agree with Evan and Conor here in terms of the drafting stuff
Your GM has to make picks to hit on any players and the Bruins GM, Don Sweeney, has had a 10 year track record of finding NOTHING at forward or defense in the 3rd to 7th rounds of any NHL draft he has ever run
Thus if Don Sweeney is stuck being the Boston Bruins GM...
I guess it's time to find a few 1st and 2nd round picks to give him to make because, um, he doesn't do so well in rounds 3 to 7 at forward or defense and there's a decade's worth of data to back that up
Or you could just take a second to read the list of Don Sweeney's 3rd to 7th round forward and d-men finds
It's short ;). Noting on defense then Lauko, Steen and Koppanen at forward
And before any Bruins homers or Don Sweeney Apologists say "Jeremy Swayman" and "Dan Vlader"
One, we're talking talent at forward and defense in rounds 3 to 7 of the NHL draft. Two, Vladr (give me a break :)
Three, Jeremy Swayman was a great draft pick BUT he wasn't some 1st round projected pick that fell to the 4th round nor some 7th round pick no one thought would make it to the NHL
Instead, Swayman was drafted exactly where he was projected to go and where most starting NHL goalies are drafted, in rounds 3-7 of the NHL draft
Proof? Besides NHL historic metrics?
Just this past NHL draft:
Number of 1st round goalies drafted? ZERO
2nd round? 4
3rd round? 3
Rounds 4-7? 19!!!
Swayman was also the 12th ranked North American goalie by Central Scouting in his draft year (2017) and he was projected to go in the 4th or 5th round
Jeremey Swayman was selected at pick 111 in the 4th round. He was the 11th goalie taken in the draft that year
So again, great draft pick but one, Jeremy Swayman was again, taken where he should have been selected and two, we're talking forward and defense, which Don Sweeney has 100% whiffed on in rounds 3 to 7 of the NHL draft for a decade now
That's not exactly a small sample size anymore :) So yeah, more 1st and 2nd round draft picks please
Also, a new GM if at all possible, although I know that's probably asking for a bit too much here :)
Frederic, Peeke, Geekie (if he gets a good return), Korpisalo (if someone will actually take that contract on, doubtful tho) all need to be moved at the deadline IMO. Bring up Merkulov and Lysell to play with Coyle on the 3rd line. Put Wahlstrom on 2nd line with Marchy and Lindholm, Poitras centering Zacha/Pasta and keep Osterle as your 3rd pair RD with Zadorov. See what the youngins got and make that 1st round pick they have as valuable as possible IMO. If they make loffs then cool it'll give he younger guys some experience but I doubt they make playoffs.
The team leadership is the issue. I’d address that before a rebuild.
It’s something that the player would have to be fully on-board with to make it happen, but… is there any reason why the Bruins can’t trade Marchand as a “rental” and then sign him as a UFA this summer?
Almost lost to the sharks? Forget 2 empty net goals. They work too hard to beat bottom teams
So what? Who cares? They won. All that matters is the two points - like they're different that if they'd have beaten a top club.
@ Yes, that would have been different. And who cares? You do😎
Nothing has changed just because of a few recent wins as this Bruins team hasn't changed much for over a calendar year now
From January to May last season the Bruins were basically .500 overall, well below .500 vs playoff teams and they struggled offensively at both 5x5 and on the power play
This year the Bruins are basically .500 overall, well below .500 vs. playoff teams & they've struggled offensively at 5x5 and on the power play. This year they've just added being bad on the penalty kill to the mix
The Bruins need an injection of youth, speed and skill & they only way to make that dream come true would be to re-tool with the roster players they can use as assets now as their Farm System is hot garbage & their nearer term future 1st round draft picks are likely to be in the less desirable 20-32 range
Pending UFAs they should 100% move no from now? Frederic, Koepke & Wotherspoon
Also offer market or below market deals right now to pending URAs/RFAs Geekie, Brazeau & Beecher.
If any of the three won't take those deals today, tell them they're going to be traded for assets at the deadline and the reality is, they should probably try moving all three of them anyway
After that look for deals now or in the off season for Coyle, Zacha, Carlo & or Korpisalo as all four only have 8-10 team NTCs and all four would have value around the league
So put Frederic Koepke Wotherspoon Geekie Brazeau Beecher Coyle Zacha Carlo & Korpisalo on the block. Put Peeke on the market too as he might fetch a third round pick at the deadline, who knows?
It's dumb to get into any trade McAvoy Swayman Pasta Marchand Lohrei Poitras Hampus Lindholm Elias Lindholm or Nikita Zadorov nonsense
They all either have full NTCs, make too much money, have too much term left or are just younger guys they won't move such Poitras and Lohrei unless a 1C is coming back in return (highly unlikely)
Lysell and Merkulov aren't likely Top 6 players in the NHL After those two forwards the Bruins don't have anything on the Farm that looks like a Top 6 forward beyond maybe, a years away Dean Letourneau
On defense it's worse because it's nothing but a collection of 4th - 7th round, long shot, development players that all project as bottom pair guys at their ceilings in the NHL, if they make it there
The Bruins core is still solid enough but they have limited near term draft capital, their farm system stinks and they wont' have that much wiggle room with their Cap Space next year even if it goes up a bit
So they have no choice but to add assets now by moving what few assets they have at the big club level to deal
Whether it's Cap Space, draft capital or a few younger, near ready NHL prospects ..... Whatever
Adding those things is what the Bruins should 100% do because adding those things could lead to the kind of quick turn around and soft rebuild that Washington was able to pull off recently
Frederic Koepke Wotherspoon Geekie Brazeau Beecher Coyle Zacha Carlo Korpisalo & Peeke. Go find deals for these guys Don Sweeney. Good ones preferably
The Bruins desperately need speed, skill, draft capital, young prospects & Cap Space
The Bruins desperately don't need any of the following to be successful in the future:
Frederic Koepke Wotherspoon Geekie Brazeau Beecher Coyle Zacha Carlo Korpisalo or Peeke
A soft re-tool is the right path for the Boston Bruins
However, Don Sweeney will probably try to save his job by pissing away what few assets this organization even has left in an attempt to achieve the first round post season fail he thinks will save his ass
Sadly, it probably will
Pastrnak needs to stay even though he started the season as a bum. Ya gotta sell tickets and he delivers that.
Pastrnak is also the best player on the team, a top-ten player in the whole NHL, and could (fairly easily) be the all-time career Goals leader in franchise history by the time his current contract is over.
Any fan who thinks that Pastrnak is on the trading block, or that he’s only staying “to sell tickets”… you’re far, far less knowledgeable about the NHL than you think you are.
Geekie is Jake Debrusk 2.0
Bigger and more physical. Seems like he's guaranteed at least one prime-time scoring chance. And he can shoot. After a brutal start, he's started to come around lately.
Straight up for Crosby and we go for the cup! 😂😂
The leadership core is the issue. Marchand, Coyle and McAvoy need to be moved.
Coyle, yes. The other two, no.
The problem is Marchand’s leadership. It’s not good enough. Sorry.
I agree.great bruin but captain a no.but don't have anyone else
The Bruins are the 2023 Florida Panthers.
lmao not even close
Sweeney wants to make playoffs to save his job
What winning???🏒🏒
Bruins have won three of their last four games, but they’ve been pretty badly outplayed (based on puck possession, scoring opportunities, expected goals) throughout that four-game span.