this is the bottom of their highest tier. i think the top tier price range is 3200.00 which has more fans, i9,4080. price wise you spend 250$ for them building it for you. not too bad.
i mean NZXT took years to understand that computers actually need airflow (nzxt H510 for example) so i mean the fact it even has that is pretty amazing.
im currently doing that with 120mm in my 2nd pc haha im all for prebuilts asking if you want fans or not tho, i have stock piled so many fans ive replaced with ones i want lol
These new cases run pretty cool still with only one fan. You should still definitely spend an extra $40-60 on a few more fans, but I was super surprised how cool my Corsair Airflow 4000D with only one front fan was.
Just to let viewers know, the system they sent Jay is an upgraded version of the base player 3 build. His is gonna run closer to 3000 than the starting 2300.
I started with a Cyberpower PC off the shelf at Best Buy. The only thing left from the original pc is the HDD I use for photos and other files. Upgrading a prebuilt is a great way to slowly introduce yourself to PC building!
If you can handle the 'quality' of a Pre-build. NZXT's Prebuilt is actuall market parts built together... so it's several levels above any other pre-built.
That is exactly what I did cyberpower pc with a 3070 and i7-12700k and 16 gigs of ram….now she’s got a 4070 ti super and 32 gigs of ram…easy swaps but it’s getting me comfortable working on my pc lol
Some pre builts just don't have all the connectors connected and everything a-ok. And the end consumer has to pay more for that as well. And sadly won't know how to fix them.
Not everyone is capable or should even be near the inside of a pc case. For these people a prebuilt is perfect. Its also a good way to get into the hobby without getting overwhelmed or fearing you'll destroy thousands of dollars of parts
I bought the Player Three Prime build last year and I was lucky enough to catch a crazy deal leading up to Black Friday (damn near 1k off) and I absolutely love it. I'm a photographer, video editor and gamer. My old rig that I built a few years back was starting not to cut it with all this 8K footage people are shooting in. I didnt really have the free time, to research and build a new rig, so I decided to go with this option and it turned out for the best. They even refunded me the money back for the memory because I decided to go with a different set and all I had to do was send back the memory that came with it. It saved me a ton of time, and I was able to get right to work and playing my games after clone in my hard drive over. PS. Their customer service is top notch and I was a very pleasant surprise.
Dude, there's another group out here. I'm a retired software/computer engineer. I cut my teeth building PCs and systems in the early 90s. (What happened to our roaches. :-) ) Anyway, I had to retire early partly due to arthritis, tendinitis, and some other itis's. My hands shake from pain and it's impossible to do a PC build anymore. I do the occasional GPU swap or drive swap, but it usually involves much colorful language trying to slide hard things into the tight spots. So, SI's are a godsend. Although the last one I used was Puget and then used a local guy to upgrade the guts on my fractal case. It's getting close to time to do a whole rig. Anyway, just remember that many of us Gen Xers grew up building the tech everyone now enjoys, but we ain't what we used to be. So good on all these wonderful SI choices. It so beats the old Packard Bells and Gateways. LOL.
Hello, my son is a systems analyst, he is 30 years old, he also built his PC with an i7 12700k, an MB asus rog strix z690-a d4 32gb and an rtx 3070 ti. He is very passionate about the world of hardware more than software.
i can relate. i think i was one of the first overclocking generation too, overclocking pentium mmx but maybe people were overclocking commodore PET lol
I started off with a "prebuilt" (IBM XT) but have been exclusively building my own since the 286 days. When 3090s were near impossible to get I ended up buying the NZXT Creator and it's honestly been rock solid and their support even replaced Kraken cooler when the pump started making a little noise with no pushback. If I ever decide to get another prebuilt these are the guys I will spend money with.
There’s absolutely ZERO excuse to not have more front fans in this pre-built. When I see stuff like this it makes me avoid the company going forward. There’s absolutely no reason to not have more front fans outside of saving money/increasing profits.
You know what's even better, if you go to their site, this over 3 grand configuration even shows 3 rgb fans in the front. Of course way way down at the bottom of the page it says, "Components may vary from images shown".
The sad thing is it might be a few cents to maybe a buck or two for basic white fans like that. It’s being insanely cheap and it would make me worry where else they cheaper out at.
I don't really care if someone goes pre-built. The only thing I've found is that, in most cases, you can't nerd out as much with pre-built folks because they don't really know their hardware. Can't talk about all of the small details/considerations that went into their PC. But, I'm all for easy entry to the PC world. Maybe it can inspire them to build/plan their own someday.
I remember when i was getting into computers and i didnt want to build it, so i got a ACER pre-build for $2500, reaching temps of 100c My friend that i thought knew more about PCs told me that those temps were normal but i looked online and saw that was considered the overheating I returned it and decided to make my own and it was one of the best decisions ever, even though it can be frustrating when troubleshooting, its kinda fun to find the issue and fix it But i alway recommend people prebuilds or consoles if they don’t want to deal with the hassle Now my PC barely ever hits 70
i designed and purchased a 3500$ computer from Digital storm 2 years ago- I used to built my own. It cost less ,used all name brand products i wanted, did amazing workmanship on the assembly, I have used their technical support half a dozen times and it has excelled in every way and has outstanding warranty.the computer hardware and they staff have been worth every penny and the unit is rock solid and performs first rate.
@@Grievous- What a joke of a comment to not see that Jay himself mentioned that with just 1 intake you have negative air pressure which means dirty insides. Also kinda funny that even the cheapest option aka Player 1 had 2 front fans, and both 2 and 3 versions had 3 fans on photos, so they "stole" 2 fans. They also sent an upgraded setup that push this into like 3k PC instead of the base 2k3, at which point not giving 3 fans on front even if just for aesthetics sake is kinda a blasphemy. At least in my eyes.
This actually seems like a great deal. I went to pcpartpicker and checked out the pricing for the player two with the upgraded cpu option and their price was only about 230 bucks more than getting the parts yourself. That comes with manufacturers warranty as well so if you have any hiccups in that first year they got your back. Thanks for this Jay as I'm an aging gamer with a lot of health problems and I'm having a lot of problems with my clumsy hands. I think I'll go ahead and use this when I do my next build in a year or two.
I started with a prebuit and upgraded over time. At this point the power supply is all that's left of the original prebuild. Gaming is my primary but building was fun, I referenced Jay a LOT to make sure I was doing it right.
For your case design, another thing that’s been on my mind since Optimum Tech 3-D printed a custom shroud for one of his small form factor builds Feel like shrouded total control over airflow is an area for case innovation
One of the good things about this industry is that what PC builders are putting in their systems today are going to be "cast-offs" tomorrow. Like...literally! There is such a saturated market for used components that I simply can't justify spending "premium" dollars for "premium" parts. At least, not when they'll be considered obsolete (or at least dated) in less than 5 years. The market seems to have stabilized over the last few years but that's just because the developers have yet to release the "next greatest thing" I've built several quality gaming systems that can play games in 4K low settings and not purchased a single new component for those builds and most of them came in well under $1K. Just gotta be patient and look for good deals because they're out there. Just dropping big money on a 4K monitor almost makes it not worth the cost. The 60Hz monitors are getting cheaper but a higher refresh rate screen is still north of $500 (just to play a game on!) Nah! I'm curious to see what Intel and AMD have coming next! Maybe 7GHz...8GHz?
I'm with you, building is the fun part. Especially trying to find the cheapest prices for the partsyou want. One thing I am glad about is I don't have to set the port addresses.
In my experience, Single rank ram will most likely post with XMP with all 4 slots populated, Dual rank will not post like 90% of the time with DDR5 XMP
I can see the appeal of buying the PC from a builder, because they also set it all up, bench test it and make sure it works (usually) and can swap out or problem solve what doesn't work. Less stress and headaches overall, but you do pay for that privilege. I'm not talking about big box Companies, who often make other computer peripherals, I'm talking about the dedicated PC builders/SI. I've been hit and miss with pre-built PC's. I'd prefer to pick the parts I like and then put it together though. Gives me a bit of a good feeling when it all works and knowing I put it together.
10 years from now: "Nice fridge, but can it run Cyberpunk?" Nice system though. I love the fact that the case is off the shelf unlike some SIs. I'm a huge Fractal Design and Lian Li fangirl, but I've generally not heard too many negatives about NZXT (other than that snafu with the risers awhile back). For a prebuilt, I like it.
Considering it is all off the shelf parts it isn't horrible. The cooling leaves something to be desired at that price point, but it probably won't cook its self. It is when proprietary stuff is added in that I draw a line. I guess if you are really adverse to putting a PC together this is a good enough option. Considering I haven't seen Steve wreck this yet, that is saying something good.
I have never seen a computer ready for sale that is perfect for me. that's why I've built all the computers myself and then I'm sure that everything works and I know what I've done and I know where I've placed the cable if I want to change something later
I think they should have done player 3 as the entry level little brother PC. Third controller you know, and they could have left player one for the big boy PC. The first person with the first controller is usually running the show!
i had an acer pre build 2006 till 2009 then i switched and build my first pc self and it was awsome and time goes on its now my 3 own build pc i made for friend the builds too and they are really happy i am really happy and never had problems
There is a third camp to build a PC. I would prefer not to build a PC but the savings I get/got buy doing it myself was significant. I built an AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, RX 7800XT, 2 1TB m.2, 32GB 6000 RAM, Arctic LF II 280, FD Pop XL, Thermaltake 850w Gold for $2000 cdn (taxes in). I good not find an SI in Canada that could come close to the specs for less the $3000 before taxes. This was my first build in over 20 years. I did not enjoy the process as I did when I was younger. PC build were much easier, less choices, than the are today. Will I build another PC, most likely. Will I enjoy it more, hopefully, now that I've gone the the learning curve with the tech leap.
My son's friends parents are editors for a local news channels RUclips, and they both picked up the level 3 Prime versions around Black Friday last year. Can't recall the discount, but they paid like 4 grand for BOTH! And... I've helped them do all sorts of neat little stuff like custom cables, hordes of fans, upgraded RAM, one got a 4090 a few months back, and have added 12TB in m.2 nvme's to both! Long story... Long! After I had added the expansion card, somehow the damn block off plates couldn't go back in. They told me they may have dropped the computer at some point... Probably why they didn't line up, AT ALL! Lol! After a while they asked NZXT what could be done, and they sent the one build in for RMA...... My heart sank when I heard they did this. I figured they would have to pay to get it shipped back cuz it has very little original shit left in it! But.... NOPE! NZXT not only complimented her rig upgrades, but they offered to do a case swap if they needed that too... The case wound up being bent up enough to need replacing, and I can't believe they offered to do it. Probably knowing that it wasn't damaged in shipping. Lol! And they did a bang up job of cable management. Way better than the new Jay'zCrew rig! ;-) With all the shitstorm of component companies being shady, or outright fartsniffing law breakers... NZXT is legit. Fur eels! They're aight. Pricey pre-built without discounts, but yeah. Good for NZXT! Hi-five SI homies!
I know that technically any pc that comes from a company is considered a “prebuilt”, but when I think of prebuilt, I think of companies like HP and Dell, that use proprietary parts, that if crap goes wrong, you’re basically stuck with a paperweight for a PC.
Personally, I like to build my own. But these are options that you could recommend to a friend or loved one without worrying about the bs of pre-built systems, and that they can also expand on it and dip their toe into PC building
As I get close to averaging my monitor's refresh rate, I pay more attention to the 1% and .1% lows. If you're getting 60fps with 20fps lows, that's still gonna be a mess to play through. I don't think cp2077 shows 1% lows, so I would use afterburner to benchmark instead.
I built about 10 PCs a month for 14 years, had to install them, attach a server, give startup lessons. I don't care to build them anymore unless its a real special job. These days picking out the parts, ordering, returning, and hoping they included all the hardware, isn't worth it unless it saves lots and lots of cash.
Saved my pennies for Digital Storm. I wanted a top tier AM5 custom pre built. Did I "overpay" compared building it myself?, of course. Will I need to upgrade in the next 10 years? Maybe not. It eats 4k gaming and does not break a sweat. And as a comparison to that 1 fan in the front thing.....mine has 6 on a 360 AIO push/ pull in the front. The highest temp I could get benchmarking the cpu was 71C. Whether you build it or buy it, my only advice is if you want the best, save up your money for the best.
I managed to pickup an open box Alienware R15 from MicroCenter Indy for $1390 otd. Before that I was adamant about building my own PC since I hadn't built one since 2012, but when I saw this deal at MC I knew it was too good to pass up. Sure it's Dell. Sure the proprietary hardware makes it almost impossible to upgrade or customize, but so far I haven't had an ounce of buyers remorse.
I mean ... buy a couple of fans on top the system seems pretty decent. Is it worth it? I mean it doesn't seem like a bad buy, but obviously if you can build it yourself then do it.
How do they consistently achieve such low idle temperatures? My room is at 22 degrees Celsius, and my AM4 5700X processor, even when I'm just watching a RUclips video, hovers around 47-55 degrees-not the 25-30 degrees others report. Even when the system is idle, the temperature remains around 50 degrees. This is all with a 240mm AIO cooling system.
Whenever i see videos about SIs, the argument is always "you can build it cheaper yourself". So I went to PC Part Picker, fully assuming that. tried to build a "player 2", with as close to the same hardware (MSI board, GPU, PSU, NXZT Case and Cooler), and the 1599 system priced itself to 1700 for parts. I'm sure this is an agreement with MSI and NZXT to build cheaper, but that's a pretty great deal, especially with a 2 year warranty.
I did the exact same thing and it's $1300 in parts, so $300 for them to build it. So no, not a great deal at all. Sounds like you maybe assumed some higher end parts were used when you priced out the parts. Regardless, the build in this sponsored ad is over 3 grand, and not even remotely a good deal.
@@drewnewby 2 year warranty, labour and tech. Support also comes with that $300. For a user with a limited skill set or time it could be well worth it. Pre builts are not intended for the tech enthusiast
@scottgardiner7418 I'm not a tech enthusiast. I've been professionally repairing and building PCs for over 30 years. In other countries, and once upon a time in the US, you did not pay hundreds over the flipping retail markup of the individual parts for a pre-built, period. These manufacturers are able to turn SI soley because of people like you. Convinced its worth the cost for someone else. Way to support your friends and family, sending them to companies like this.
Since you seem to have not been around 30 years ago from your comment...$300 was also less than a days pay back then, and a PC was a lot more, not even adjusted for inflation. We're talking 1990s, not the 1930s. None of this makes these pre-builts a good value. Waste your own money, but stop trying to convince others to waste theirs. It sounds elitist.
For a prebuilt computer, It's not bad and I wish all cases Had the larger holes to let air in and out like this case. I also agree that 3 fans in front Should be standard and the parts in this build are not of a low standard like most companies out there use the Cheapest mother board to get the price down or just charge way to much for their parts if you want to upgrade them.
Something to be said about a built unit. My AMD AM5 build is down. My TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI MB blew a VRM. It was beyond the 90 day warranty, but well within the Manufacturer Warranty. ASUS showed MicroCenter as a "certified ASUS Repair Center", so I called my local MicroCenter, and they said "yep, we can accept Manufacturer Warranty Items from ASUS as we are a ASUS certified repair location. We do ask you bring in the entire system and not just the MB so that we can check to ensure it IS the MB". I said "I BUILT the unit, I did buy the parts from MicroCenter, but you did not build it up, I did." Guy said "Yep, bring it in, as long as that MB is under Manufacturer warranty we deal with it here." I took it in, and the guy at the repair counter said "Nope, we don't do that here, only if it was a pre-built system or we built it, or you purchased an extended warranty from us". ARGH!. So...$50 later in shipping and packaging...off to ASUS it goes. Currently waiting to hear if they are repairing it or just sending me another MB. Something to be said about pre-built units right there. SIGH.
Jay, an interesting viewpoint for us (and you) would be to see if you could improve the (albeit somewhat subjective) value for money and some suggestions to undertake in for example cable-management.
But if NZXT sent that to you knowing who you are, that's not a true representation of the real consumer experience. After watching Linus' Secret Shopper series and GN's reviews of prebuilt PCs, I've seen all I need to know how about much shit yo have to deal with if you buy a prebuilt.
When people say "Prebuilts suck" they're talking about the low-effort builds from big name companies like HP, Dell, etc. That just throw any cheap GPU and one stick of RAM in and call it a "gaming PC".
Just no, as someone that has custom built more PCs than I could possibly remember for customers over the last 30 years, we are talking about all of them. I have repaired so much garbage from literally all of them, from big to small SIs.
Knowing nothing about PC gaming I bought a Prebuilt a couple of years ago. It’s a AMD Ryzen 7, 5800X,3070 from Corsair for $2300. I wish I would’ve waited for the 40series if I was gonna buy a prebuilt, even though this was years ago.
The NZXT H710 (H7 flow predecessor) had 3x120mm intake and 1x140mm exhaust stock. Any logical reason other than cost reduction why they would have made such a drastic change on the "same" case with the H7 Flow?
Got nothing against SI's that use over the shelf parts, it can help the lesser technical people get started out of the box. But, building your own PC, even as a beginner... it gives you knowledge and in time it gives you experience... which makes troubleshooting easier later on. The lesser you have to depend on others the better it is. Also, personally I just find building my own systems gratifying and you can make your own esthetic decisions. You can build a simple black box with random parts or you can manually select parts to give it a theme. a PC is then not just a PC anymore but a work of art. But if that means nothing to the large group of people who just want to turn on the PC like it's a console and game... then SI's like NZXT BLD is a great option.
I'm too scared to build my own as the stuff you get online may not necessarily be quality. With a system integrator, at least I have a warranty for the entire system. Plus I'm 68 years old and my hands don't work right anymore.
It varies, as the entire industry goes through different pacing of advancement. Think about how long Intel was stuck on 14 nm. I've been working on PCs since the XT, and build one whenever a customer asks, but honestly, it roughly every 6 years that you'll see any meaningful performance increase, at least in the last couple decades.
Just a heads up to anyone watching this video, and this might be stated in the video... They got a Player 3, just they upgraded everything they could as high as they could without turning it into a Prime, so this PC they are displaying is over $3k, at that point just start with a Player 3 Prime.
Hello comments, did update my BIOS yesterday, scary shit, and was wondering which mild overclocks you guys would apply from the BIOS? XMP for RAM, how about PBO for CPU? What else? Really appreciate the help :)
Hi Jay. I noticed something in your video. It would be best if you bought a larger Lazy Susan. Anyone who watches your videos should now know how to build a PC. You make it so simple a child can do it.
What are ypu even talking about with CP77? My RTX3070 can run it at 1440p max settings without RT/PT nor DLSS at around 60 FPS, is that really a benchmark?
Nerfing the RAM probably saves NZXT a ton of support phone calls and ultimately RMAs. No point having an LED readout of temps if the readout is off by 12-15%.
A huge chunk of the price of that PC is to cover the cost of the warranty and free shipping. The fans are pitifully small (at least stick a 140 or two up front for that i9). The RAM is slow. I'm glad I built mine.
I have a small problem I upgrade my pc to a ryzen 9 5900x from a ryzen 5 1600 4060 from a 1070 Updated bios to F66 for B450 Clean install of windows Go into desktop, updated drivers and installed a few games. Went to close steam and pc crashed. Then failed to repair.... sitting in a windows install loop. No beep on start and fails to restart during the windows install
I thought that with DDR5 there was a memory controller built into each stick. How does using 4 sticks cause more stress if each stick has it's own dedicated memory controller?
I play my games on a old laptop and the most fps i get playing all my games is about like 50 ish if im lucky i really want a new pc thats reliable but i know nothing and im not smart enough to learn so your videos have been very helpful in trying to find a pc in the budget that is good for the games i like so thank you 😊
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One front fan for your highest tier pc that is nearing 2500 is crazy.
this is the bottom of their highest tier. i think the top tier price range is 3200.00 which has more fans, i9,4080. price wise you spend 250$ for them building it for you. not too bad.
As configured, its well over 3 grand on their website, so yep marketing doing what marketing does at its finest on display here in this sponsored ad.
Seriously even the h5 elite case comes with no rear fan
My 4090 i7 13700 build costed 2500 WITH 6 FANS
i mean NZXT took years to understand that computers actually need airflow (nzxt H510 for example) so i mean the fact it even has that is pretty amazing.
That single front fan just looks depressing
im currently doing that with 120mm in my 2nd pc haha im all for prebuilts asking if you want fans or not tho, i have stock piled so many fans ive replaced with ones i want lol
not necessarily prebuilts but when i buy cases with preinstalled fans
@@kubuntukowalski True but when you've paid for a 13900kf and a 4080 super...A single front fan is just awful for a pre-built
not even biggest possible size :D (unless my eyes are wrong)
good bye positive pressure
The single front fan on the case is like biting into a burrito and getting nothing but tortilla.
Depressing.
LOL
when that happens, I usually think I took bite from the wrong end, lol
@@kevinerbs2778 don't bite on NZXT is the application of this allegory.
These new cases run pretty cool still with only one fan. You should still definitely spend an extra $40-60 on a few more fans, but I was super surprised how cool my Corsair Airflow 4000D with only one front fan was.
Its actually 2 front fans one is at the front bottom
Just to let viewers know, the system they sent Jay is an upgraded version of the base player 3 build. His is gonna run closer to 3000 than the starting 2300.
$2300 and only one intake fan is absurd
All these places charge way over the price for parts than what places like Amazon does.
It's actually specd closer to $3100!! LOL!!
Indeed would like to see 3 intake fans in a build like that. Now its heavily negative pressure and it will be dirty very soon.
on a sponsored video as well
@@ctk4949 nah..
I started with a Cyberpower PC off the shelf at Best Buy. The only thing left from the original pc is the HDD I use for photos and other files. Upgrading a prebuilt is a great way to slowly introduce yourself to PC building!
If you can handle the 'quality' of a Pre-build.
NZXT's Prebuilt is actuall market parts built together... so it's several levels above any other pre-built.
That is exactly what I did cyberpower pc with a 3070 and i7-12700k and 16 gigs of ram….now she’s got a 4070 ti super and 32 gigs of ram…easy swaps but it’s getting me comfortable working on my pc lol
Some pre builts just don't have all the connectors connected and everything a-ok. And the end consumer has to pay more for that as well. And sadly won't know how to fix them.
Not everyone is capable or should even be near the inside of a pc case. For these people a prebuilt is perfect.
Its also a good way to get into the hobby without getting overwhelmed or fearing you'll destroy thousands of dollars of parts
Agreed. I always send friends/family to pre builts....that way I d9nt need to be the tech support crutch
I bought the Player Three Prime build last year and I was lucky enough to catch a crazy deal leading up to Black Friday (damn near 1k off) and I absolutely love it. I'm a photographer, video editor and gamer. My old rig that I built a few years back was starting not to cut it with all this 8K footage people are shooting in. I didnt really have the free time, to research and build a new rig, so I decided to go with this option and it turned out for the best. They even refunded me the money back for the memory because I decided to go with a different set and all I had to do was send back the memory that came with it. It saved me a ton of time, and I was able to get right to work and playing my games after clone in my hard drive over.
PS. Their customer service is top notch and I was a very pleasant surprise.
Dude, there's another group out here. I'm a retired software/computer engineer. I cut my teeth building PCs and systems in the early 90s. (What happened to our roaches. :-) ) Anyway, I had to retire early partly due to arthritis, tendinitis, and some other itis's. My hands shake from pain and it's impossible to do a PC build anymore. I do the occasional GPU swap or drive swap, but it usually involves much colorful language trying to slide hard things into the tight spots. So, SI's are a godsend. Although the last one I used was Puget and then used a local guy to upgrade the guts on my fractal case. It's getting close to time to do a whole rig. Anyway, just remember that many of us Gen Xers grew up building the tech everyone now enjoys, but we ain't what we used to be. So good on all these wonderful SI choices. It so beats the old Packard Bells and Gateways. LOL.
Having a pc shop (or nephew or something) put together the parts you ordered for a fee is a much better investment
Hello, my son is a systems analyst, he is 30 years old, he also built his PC with an i7 12700k, an MB asus rog strix z690-a d4 32gb and an rtx 3070 ti. He is very passionate about the world of hardware more than software.
i can relate. i think i was one of the first overclocking generation too, overclocking pentium mmx but maybe people were overclocking commodore PET lol
@@ffwastOne stop warranty and cross shipping. Your nephew can't even.
Us Boomers as well.
I got a Player 2 last fall and my only regret is I didn't wait for a holiday sale and save a couple bucks 😊
I started off with a "prebuilt" (IBM XT) but have been exclusively building my own since the 286 days. When 3090s were near impossible to get I ended up buying the NZXT Creator and it's honestly been rock solid and their support even replaced Kraken cooler when the pump started making a little noise with no pushback. If I ever decide to get another prebuilt these are the guys I will spend money with.
There’s absolutely ZERO excuse to not have more front fans in this pre-built. When I see stuff like this it makes me avoid the company going forward. There’s absolutely no reason to not have more front fans outside of saving money/increasing profits.
You know what's even better, if you go to their site, this over 3 grand configuration even shows 3 rgb fans in the front. Of course way way down at the bottom of the page it says, "Components may vary from images shown".
For real. What a JOKE. on such an expensive PC. AND they literally MAKE their own fans 😆 🤣
There is an excuse - if one fan is sufficient and temps under control?
@@francistaylor1822 at $3000++??? That's the reason there's no excuse
The sad thing is it might be a few cents to maybe a buck or two for basic white fans like that. It’s being insanely cheap and it would make me worry where else they cheaper out at.
I don't really care if someone goes pre-built. The only thing I've found is that, in most cases, you can't nerd out as much with pre-built folks because they don't really know their hardware. Can't talk about all of the small details/considerations that went into their PC. But, I'm all for easy entry to the PC world. Maybe it can inspire them to build/plan their own someday.
total agreement man... by the way what kinda hardware you runnin?....j/kin
I remember when i was getting into computers and i didnt want to build it, so i got a ACER pre-build for $2500, reaching temps of 100c
My friend that i thought knew more about PCs told me that those temps were normal but i looked online and saw that was considered the overheating
I returned it and decided to make my own and it was one of the best decisions ever, even though it can be frustrating when troubleshooting, its kinda fun to find the issue and fix it
But i alway recommend people prebuilds or consoles if they don’t want to deal with the hassle
Now my PC barely ever hits 70
i designed and purchased a 3500$ computer from Digital storm 2 years ago- I used to built my own. It cost less ,used all name brand products i wanted, did amazing workmanship on the assembly, I have used their technical support half a dozen times and it has excelled in every way and has outstanding warranty.the computer hardware and they staff have been worth every penny and the unit is rock solid and performs first rate.
1:24 they had 3 intake fans in the picture
What a joke of a company. This is an expensive system with high-end components, and they have the audacity to slap a single front fan into it.
NZXT psychologists believe the air has got to want to blow (or) suck fan blades.
Temps were fine with one!
The fan is suggesting where the air should go.
What a joke of a comment to not see that the temps were fine under stress tests and more than one front fan isn't required.
@@Grievous- What a joke of a comment to not see that Jay himself mentioned that with just 1 intake you have negative air pressure which means dirty insides.
Also kinda funny that even the cheapest option aka Player 1 had 2 front fans, and both 2 and 3 versions had 3 fans on photos, so they "stole" 2 fans.
They also sent an upgraded setup that push this into like 3k PC instead of the base 2k3, at which point not giving 3 fans on front even if just for aesthetics sake is kinda a blasphemy.
At least in my eyes.
Got my NZXT streaming build about 4 years back and it’s ran pretty much perfectly. NZXT is my go-to prebuilt company.
Im with Jay, its the journey that matters to me. So enjoy building the pc more than using it
I love your comment about “a good starting point.” I look forward to the one series and the possible upgrade path.
I like doing it all. I like that there are options now for pre-builds that are not just e-waste.
Built my own with all be quiet fans fully populated even on the aio.
H6flow
X670 elite
7800x3d and 4070tis
$2300
This actually seems like a great deal. I went to pcpartpicker and checked out the pricing for the player two with the upgraded cpu option and their price was only about 230 bucks more than getting the parts yourself. That comes with manufacturers warranty as well so if you have any hiccups in that first year they got your back. Thanks for this Jay as I'm an aging gamer with a lot of health problems and I'm having a lot of problems with my clumsy hands. I think I'll go ahead and use this when I do my next build in a year or two.
I started with a prebuit and upgraded over time. At this point the power supply is all that's left of the original prebuild. Gaming is my primary but building was fun, I referenced Jay a LOT to make sure I was doing it right.
I have a Gamer1+ been running almost non stop. Zero problems Love it
It's odd that they don't use their own motherboards in their prebuilts - I really like the look of them.
For your case design, another thing that’s been on my mind since Optimum Tech 3-D printed a custom shroud for one of his small form factor builds
Feel like shrouded total control over airflow is an area for case innovation
One of the good things about this industry is that what PC builders are putting in their systems today are going to be "cast-offs" tomorrow. Like...literally! There is such a saturated market for used components that I simply can't justify spending "premium" dollars for "premium" parts. At least, not when they'll be considered obsolete (or at least dated) in less than 5 years. The market seems to have stabilized over the last few years but that's just because the developers have yet to release the "next greatest thing" I've built several quality gaming systems that can play games in 4K low settings and not purchased a single new component for those builds and most of them came in well under $1K. Just gotta be patient and look for good deals because they're out there. Just dropping big money on a 4K monitor almost makes it not worth the cost. The 60Hz monitors are getting cheaper but a higher refresh rate screen is still north of $500 (just to play a game on!) Nah! I'm curious to see what Intel and AMD have coming next! Maybe 7GHz...8GHz?
I too am one who enjoys building/assembling the computer, troubleshooting and trying to fix is a whole 'nother thing.
I'm with you, building is the fun part. Especially trying to find the cheapest prices for the partsyou want. One thing I am glad about is I don't have to set the port addresses.
In my experience, Single rank ram will most likely post with XMP with all 4 slots populated, Dual rank will not post like 90% of the time with DDR5 XMP
That's what every compatibility list told you, and anyone else that bothers to look.
Sure thing dude 😂 I've also been in the IT game a long time.
that title hurt my head 😭
I’m still processing it, like what??
It apparently hurt NZXTs head also, enough that they changed it.
Since this video they've added three fans to even the base model Player Three I just picked mine up today, THANK YOU for speaking up :D
I can see the appeal of buying the PC from a builder, because they also set it all up, bench test it and make sure it works (usually) and can swap out or problem solve what doesn't work. Less stress and headaches overall, but you do pay for that privilege. I'm not talking about big box Companies, who often make other computer peripherals, I'm talking about the dedicated PC builders/SI.
I've been hit and miss with pre-built PC's. I'd prefer to pick the parts I like and then put it together though. Gives me a bit of a good feeling when it all works and knowing I put it together.
PC looks sick, I like it, even with only 1 fan at front, less noise.
10 years from now: "Nice fridge, but can it run Cyberpunk?" Nice system though. I love the fact that the case is off the shelf unlike some SIs. I'm a huge Fractal Design and Lian Li fangirl, but I've generally not heard too many negatives about NZXT (other than that snafu with the risers awhile back). For a prebuilt, I like it.
Considering it is all off the shelf parts it isn't horrible. The cooling leaves something to be desired at that price point, but it probably won't cook its self. It is when proprietary stuff is added in that I draw a line. I guess if you are really adverse to putting a PC together this is a good enough option.
Considering I haven't seen Steve wreck this yet, that is saying something good.
“They’re alright if they are paying us 👍” - Jay
😂
I have never seen a computer ready for sale that is perfect for me. that's why I've built all the computers myself and then I'm sure that everything works and I know what I've done and I know where I've placed the cable if I want to change something later
Thank you, Jay. If it weren't for you, I would have never ordered the parts to put my computer together.
Bet they did 4 sticks for looks, otherwise 2x32 should be the way to go.
More sticks makes it seem more expensive. Too bad they didn't have the same approach to the fans.
@@christophermullins7163 And it is more expensive. It's about 10-15% more expensive to buy 4X16Gb than 2X32Gb. AND it's slower !
If it was for looks they would have slapped in 4 sticks of cheap RGB Ram.
@@christophermullins7163 2 sticks and more fans = same price or less
I like pre-built but ones that have lots of room for upgrading. Get a base setup and upgrade ad you go.
I think they should have done player 3 as the entry level little brother PC. Third controller you know, and they could have left player one for the big boy PC. The first person with the first controller is usually running the show!
In regards to xmp I think they never enable it. I got 2 pre-built from them awhile ago and I had to enable the ram overclock on my ddr4 memory
Ive looked at the player 3, you have options for ram including 64 gigs in just 2 sticks of ram.
I have 4 (4x16GB) sticks of Corsair Vengeance DDR5 64GB 5600MHz Expo running with no problems.
i had an acer pre build 2006 till 2009 then i switched and build my first pc self and it was awsome and time goes on its now my 3 own build pc i made for friend the builds too and they are really happy i am really happy and never had problems
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can upgrade that single fan in the front right?
Needs more fans but I remember when I bought my last prebuilt back in 2016, there's a simplicity in it until you learn how to DIY.
There is a third camp to build a PC. I would prefer not to build a PC but the savings I get/got buy doing it myself was significant. I built an AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, RX 7800XT, 2 1TB m.2, 32GB 6000 RAM, Arctic LF II 280, FD Pop XL, Thermaltake 850w Gold for $2000 cdn (taxes in). I good not find an SI in Canada that could come close to the specs for less the $3000 before taxes. This was my first build in over 20 years. I did not enjoy the process as I did when I was younger. PC build were much easier, less choices, than the are today. Will I build another PC, most likely. Will I enjoy it more, hopefully, now that I've gone the the learning curve with the tech leap.
My son's friends parents are editors for a local news channels RUclips, and they both picked up the level 3 Prime versions around Black Friday last year. Can't recall the discount, but they paid like 4 grand for BOTH! And... I've helped them do all sorts of neat little stuff like custom cables, hordes of fans, upgraded RAM, one got a 4090 a few months back, and have added 12TB in m.2 nvme's to both! Long story... Long! After I had added the expansion card, somehow the damn block off plates couldn't go back in. They told me they may have dropped the computer at some point... Probably why they didn't line up, AT ALL! Lol! After a while they asked NZXT what could be done, and they sent the one build in for RMA...... My heart sank when I heard they did this. I figured they would have to pay to get it shipped back cuz it has very little original shit left in it! But.... NOPE! NZXT not only complimented her rig upgrades, but they offered to do a case swap if they needed that too... The case wound up being bent up enough to need replacing, and I can't believe they offered to do it. Probably knowing that it wasn't damaged in shipping. Lol! And they did a bang up job of cable management. Way better than the new Jay'zCrew rig! ;-) With all the shitstorm of component companies being shady, or outright fartsniffing law breakers... NZXT is legit. Fur eels! They're aight. Pricey pre-built without discounts, but yeah. Good for NZXT! Hi-five SI homies!
I sometimes buy used PCs for parts. Does that count as buying a "Pre-built"?
I know that technically any pc that comes from a company is considered a “prebuilt”, but when I think of prebuilt, I think of companies like HP and Dell, that use proprietary parts, that if crap goes wrong, you’re basically stuck with a paperweight for a PC.
I'm not interested in a pre-built in any way... i'm only watching because Jay and his team are awesome.
Personally, I like to build my own. But these are options that you could recommend to a friend or loved one without worrying about the bs of pre-built systems, and that they can also expand on it and dip their toe into PC building
I have triple Arctic 140mm intakes with this case. that single front fan is depressing lol
I don't do prebuilts really due to the component constraints but custom builds are definitely my favorite option
As I get close to averaging my monitor's refresh rate, I pay more attention to the 1% and .1% lows. If you're getting 60fps with 20fps lows, that's still gonna be a mess to play through. I don't think cp2077 shows 1% lows, so I would use afterburner to benchmark instead.
I built about 10 PCs a month for 14 years, had to install them, attach a server, give startup lessons. I don't care to build them anymore unless its a real special job. These days picking out the parts, ordering, returning, and hoping they included all the hardware, isn't worth it unless it saves lots and lots of cash.
Who in their right mind would get a 13900 build instead of 7800x3d? Especially with that single little fan
That's a really nice build for a SI .. And I like the cut out for the 12vhpwr cable on that Gigabyte Card :) Nicely thought out position !
Saved my pennies for Digital Storm. I wanted a top tier AM5 custom pre built. Did I "overpay" compared building it myself?, of course. Will I need to upgrade in the next 10 years? Maybe not. It eats 4k gaming and does not break a sweat. And as a comparison to that 1 fan in the front thing.....mine has 6 on a 360 AIO push/ pull in the front. The highest temp I could get benchmarking the cpu was 71C. Whether you build it or buy it, my only advice is if you want the best, save up your money for the best.
I managed to pickup an open box Alienware R15 from MicroCenter Indy for $1390 otd. Before that I was adamant about building my own PC since I hadn't built one since 2012, but when I saw this deal at MC I knew it was too good to pass up. Sure it's Dell. Sure the proprietary hardware makes it almost impossible to upgrade or customize, but so far I haven't had an ounce of buyers remorse.
18:30 Jayz ifixit ad on the pump LCD is priceless xD
To think that my first monitor was 14"640x480... And that was modern! It could even handle 16 bit color!
I mean ... buy a couple of fans on top the system seems pretty decent. Is it worth it? I mean it doesn't seem like a bad buy, but obviously if you can build it yourself then do it.
How do they consistently achieve such low idle temperatures? My room is at 22 degrees Celsius, and my AM4 5700X processor, even when I'm just watching a RUclips video, hovers around 47-55 degrees-not the 25-30 degrees others report. Even when the system is idle, the temperature remains around 50 degrees. This is all with a 240mm AIO cooling system.
Whenever i see videos about SIs, the argument is always "you can build it cheaper yourself". So I went to PC Part Picker, fully assuming that. tried to build a "player 2", with as close to the same hardware (MSI board, GPU, PSU, NXZT Case and Cooler), and the 1599 system priced itself to 1700 for parts. I'm sure this is an agreement with MSI and NZXT to build cheaper, but that's a pretty great deal, especially with a 2 year warranty.
I did the exact same thing and it's $1300 in parts, so $300 for them to build it. So no, not a great deal at all. Sounds like you maybe assumed some higher end parts were used when you priced out the parts. Regardless, the build in this sponsored ad is over 3 grand, and not even remotely a good deal.
@@drewnewby 2 year warranty, labour and tech. Support also comes with that $300. For a user with a limited skill set or time it could be well worth it. Pre builts are not intended for the tech enthusiast
@scottgardiner7418 I'm not a tech enthusiast. I've been professionally repairing and building PCs for over 30 years. In other countries, and once upon a time in the US, you did not pay hundreds over the flipping retail markup of the individual parts for a pre-built, period. These manufacturers are able to turn SI soley because of people like you. Convinced its worth the cost for someone else. Way to support your friends and family, sending them to companies like this.
@@drewnewby you acting like $300 is a lot of money. 30 years ago it may have been…now its less than a days pay
Since you seem to have not been around 30 years ago from your comment...$300 was also less than a days pay back then, and a PC was a lot more, not even adjusted for inflation. We're talking 1990s, not the 1930s. None of this makes these pre-builts a good value. Waste your own money, but stop trying to convince others to waste theirs. It sounds elitist.
Speaking of pre built computers. Are we able to upgrade the cpu down the road as long as it is say an AM5 to AM5 cpu???
For a prebuilt computer, It's not bad and I wish all cases Had the larger holes to let air in and out like this case. I also agree that 3 fans in front Should be standard and the parts in this build are not of a low standard like most companies out there use the Cheapest mother board to get the price down or just charge way to much for their parts if you want to upgrade them.
Something to be said about a built unit. My AMD AM5 build is down. My TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI MB blew a VRM. It was beyond the 90 day warranty, but well within the Manufacturer Warranty. ASUS showed MicroCenter as a "certified ASUS Repair Center", so I called my local MicroCenter, and they said "yep, we can accept Manufacturer Warranty Items from ASUS as we are a ASUS certified repair location. We do ask you bring in the entire system and not just the MB so that we can check to ensure it IS the MB". I said "I BUILT the unit, I did buy the parts from MicroCenter, but you did not build it up, I did." Guy said "Yep, bring it in, as long as that MB is under Manufacturer warranty we deal with it here." I took it in, and the guy at the repair counter said "Nope, we don't do that here, only if it was a pre-built system or we built it, or you purchased an extended warranty from us". ARGH!. So...$50 later in shipping and packaging...off to ASUS it goes. Currently waiting to hear if they are repairing it or just sending me another MB.
Something to be said about pre-built units right there. SIGH.
Jay, an interesting viewpoint for us (and you) would be to see if you could improve the (albeit somewhat subjective) value for money and some suggestions to undertake in for example cable-management.
Thanks for all this Info u do on your Channel, Greatly Appreciated what u do to help us on great Choices to make on upgrades and Computers.
But if NZXT sent that to you knowing who you are, that's not a true representation of the real consumer experience. After watching Linus' Secret Shopper series and GN's reviews of prebuilt PCs, I've seen all I need to know how about much shit yo have to deal with if you buy a prebuilt.
When people say "Prebuilts suck" they're talking about the low-effort builds from big name companies like HP, Dell, etc. That just throw any cheap GPU and one stick of RAM in and call it a "gaming PC".
Just no, as someone that has custom built more PCs than I could possibly remember for customers over the last 30 years, we are talking about all of them. I have repaired so much garbage from literally all of them, from big to small SIs.
Jay, Do you remember when a computer was a bunch of jumpers, for overclocking, select CPU, and the IDE master/slave selectors these were the days.
i couldnt accept 1 front fan i want positive pressure. but if ppl love building pcs they could do it for a living as well as game. best of both worlds
Knowing nothing about PC gaming I bought a Prebuilt a couple of years ago. It’s a AMD Ryzen 7, 5800X,3070 from Corsair for $2300. I wish I would’ve waited for the 40series if I was gonna buy a prebuilt, even though this was years ago.
The NZXT H710 (H7 flow predecessor) had 3x120mm intake and 1x140mm exhaust stock. Any logical reason other than cost reduction why they would have made such a drastic change on the "same" case with the H7 Flow?
Got nothing against SI's that use over the shelf parts, it can help the lesser technical people get started out of the box.
But, building your own PC, even as a beginner... it gives you knowledge and in time it gives you experience... which makes troubleshooting easier later on. The lesser you have to depend on others the better it is. Also, personally I just find building my own systems gratifying and you can make your own esthetic decisions.
You can build a simple black box with random parts or you can manually select parts to give it a theme. a PC is then not just a PC anymore but a work of art.
But if that means nothing to the large group of people who just want to turn on the PC like it's a console and game... then SI's like NZXT BLD is a great option.
I'm too scared to build my own as the stuff you get online may not necessarily be quality. With a system integrator, at least I have a warranty for the entire system. Plus I'm 68 years old and my hands don't work right anymore.
Le problème tant qu'ils y aura des personnes qui achètent un prix plutôt q 'un pc , les assembleurs pourront continuer les dérives sans être inquiété
My first computer had a 16 gig hard drive and people thought that was insane! Now we're talking about 64 gigs of RAM! wow
Here's an idea for a video, when is the "best" time to upgrade your PC other than broken components or want
It varies, as the entire industry goes through different pacing of advancement. Think about how long Intel was stuck on 14 nm. I've been working on PCs since the XT, and build one whenever a customer asks, but honestly, it roughly every 6 years that you'll see any meaningful performance increase, at least in the last couple decades.
Glad you pointed that out right away
Just a heads up to anyone watching this video, and this might be stated in the video...
They got a Player 3, just they upgraded everything they could as high as they could without turning it into a Prime, so this PC they are displaying is over $3k, at that point just start with a Player 3 Prime.
Hello comments, did update my BIOS yesterday, scary shit, and was wondering which mild overclocks you guys would apply from the BIOS? XMP for RAM, how about PBO for CPU? What else?
Really appreciate the help :)
Hi Jay. I noticed something in your video. It would be best if you bought a larger Lazy Susan. Anyone who watches your videos should now know how to build a PC. You make it so simple a child can do it.
What are ypu even talking about with CP77?
My RTX3070 can run it at 1440p max settings without RT/PT nor DLSS at around 60 FPS, is that really a benchmark?
The picture of the PC they gave him had three fans. Why did his only have one fan?
Nerfing the RAM probably saves NZXT a ton of support phone calls and ultimately RMAs. No point having an LED readout of temps if the readout is off by 12-15%.
A huge chunk of the price of that PC is to cover the cost of the warranty and free shipping. The fans are pitifully small (at least stick a 140 or two up front for that i9). The RAM is slow. I'm glad I built mine.
I have a small problem
I upgrade my pc to a ryzen 9 5900x from a ryzen 5 1600
4060 from a 1070
Updated bios to F66 for B450
Clean install of windows
Go into desktop, updated drivers and installed a few games. Went to close steam and pc crashed. Then failed to repair.... sitting in a windows install loop.
No beep on start and fails to restart during the windows install
1:26 priced for a Player 3 with a 4070 ti not a 4080 super...
I have built and upgraded a bunch of computers but would not mind having a prebuilt.
Player: -Three- One Intake Fan
I thought that with DDR5 there was a memory controller built into each stick. How does using 4 sticks cause more stress if each stick has it's own dedicated memory controller?
Which is why I don't mess with pre-builts. I can spend less than 2k on the same build but mine would have more than 1 intake fan.
I play my games on a old laptop and the most fps i get playing all my games is about like 50 ish if im lucky i really want a new pc thats reliable but i know nothing and im not smart enough to learn so your videos have been very helpful in trying to find a pc in the budget that is good for the games i like so thank you 😊