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I HATE YOU TUBE and its fascist dictatorship. censoring speech, censoring content. white washing the world as if this is helping anyone. hopefully Musk buys google next. its not hard to do to make a platform the same. but google stuffs them, blackballs them. ive tried a few but its like wow they suck so bad. thanks for the post my dude. long live freedom of speech
Thank you for what you do! Nobody else I've seen provides this level of footage. Indeed youtube has gotten over the top with Censorship it is extremely irritating. I'm a big boy ,I can handle it don't try to sugar coat and cover up reality RUclips! Life isn't sugar coated and covered up in a white washed world! This is especially true for combat footage because you know we have to keep people hidden from the gruesome fact of reality and live in a make believe world.
Well, what happened was... Tackleberry, Mahoney and Hightower had just rolled their chopper out and started it up. Meanwhiles, Hooks, Jones and Zed were approaching to land on the other pad... :)
As a former Vietnam helicopter door gunner this sends chills up my spine....I was involved in a similar accident in 1969....our crew survived but the crew that caused the accident did not.
Seen from this camera perspective, there seems to have been enough space for two helicopters on this area. But the 2nd helicopter that then landed apparently wanted to get nice and *close* to the *marked* landing site, while the 1st helicopter that was already parked was parked much too far *outside* the area *marked* for this (1st) helicopter. 😟 🚁💥🚁
My hometown still mourns a fellow who left the family and all his younger brother to fight in Vietnam, only to be killed in a helicopter training exercise. He was hit in the head by a landing helicopter's rotor.
Complacency - "A feeling of contentment or self-satisfaction, especially when coupled with an unawareness of danger, trouble, or controversy." But "DANGER" is painted quite obviously in multiple places on the pads. Difficult to see from the camera's angle, but I would think there would be lines painted on the pad for each spot. Helicopter 1's skids must be somewhere between this line and this line. Note those words, "must" and "between". They are important words. Helicopter 2 must be between this here line and that line. If the two conditions are always met, there will be no trouble. Pilot of helicopter 2, on approach, "Those dumbasses parked their helo over the line. I'm not going to be a dumbass like them."
“Attention to detail.” That was preached to us daily in the military. The guys pulling the first helo out of the hanger didn’t have it. They parked it off center.
The first helicopter was not parked on its" H" mark. Sloppy ground staff.! . The second one " assumed" the grounded chopper was in its proper location. Always check.. and check again. Two stupid acts,one by ground crew, the other by the second pilot. Careless lack of attention can kill. They should have been fired. All involved.
Fired ? For a couple of insured helicopters? Hell these idiots KILL people by shooting them in the back and they keep those cushy jobs . Fired .....lolol
Heli pilots sit in the right seat, not the left seat. From her position it would be very hard to see where that other one was parked and assuming the ground crew had done its job correctly is not unusual. If anything the air support Lt has some of the blame since he distracted the commercial pilot while the other was landing - the commercial pilot should have been watching the other helicopter.
Totally sloppy ground crew. Pilot incoming is on blind side and it is wet. Should a landing be taking place when a Copter is already spinning up (unpredictable). Agreed pads are far too close. Does need accountability for this as stated above.
@Heads Mess It just happend few times in Avganistan when two balck hawks collide in desert while in action. One black hawk crashed next Osama Bin Laden house when seal team was going to kill him. This kind of shit happens. And that pilots looked like it wanted to see what's going to happen if rotors collide hahaha
@Antonio P. del Hierro-Valdés And replace them with WHAT exactly? What possible organization composed of human beings of any kind with the capability to take on armed criminals is going to always be perfect at every individual level, with every one of its tens of thousands of members guaranteed to be saints and every branch of it incorruptible? I hear a lot of mindless hate directed at cops lately, but no alternate solutions purposed that aren't idiotic to the point of mental illness and or even seriously expected by those pushing them to ever be implemented, at least in their neighborhoods.
We could do without this ridiculously expensive war on drugs which after all, most of these copters are used for. There'd be fewer criminals and fewer drug dealers if you took the profit out of drugs, but then those folks over in DC there would be pissed.
Andrew Tornadoboy well maybe if our government actually gave a fuck about ppl their wouldn’t be as much criminals. But your government is money hungry and they neeed protection. We don’t need federal+state+county. Arm the good people of California and America itself and let’s see if crime is still at a high.
Dude. I thought you were joking. I just slowed it down and yes, sure enough, Lt. Spanky took a spanking plain as day. Good thing the blade was vertically aligned or he'd have four a$$ cheeks today!
Even though there were other contributing factors involved, it's still the responsibility of the pilot to ensure the safe operation of his/her aircraft, that's one of the first things they teach you in flight school and using an aircraft marshaller would have been a good idea given the close proximity to other aircraft and the weather conditions also. Colliding with a stationary object is pretty cut and dry.
Even though your comment is over a year old, it's still worth commenting on. You are 100% correct. As you know, as a pilot, there is NEVER EVER one single reason for a catastrophe to happen. Never. Instead, it is a series of small (sometimes not so small) errors that lead up to the tragedy. In this case, having absolutely no personal knowledge of anything other than watching the same video that everyone else has, I can see things here and there leading up to it. And I'll bet you that when the NTSB investigated this crash, they found training errors and/or omissions from their helicopter unit. But the one huge error that sticks out like a sore thumb to me is that the incoming helicopter that lands was working off of muscle memory and routine. I'll bet he's come in that way and landing and taxied exactly that way a thousand times, so in his mind, why would this be any different? I know that sounds crazy, and why would someone do that? The simple answer is that we are human, and humans make mistakes. It's who we are---we make mistakes in everything we do at some point. And that is why, in flying, there are lots of things that you learn and get trained on and practice repeatedly so that the odds are increased of never having any type of accident or mishap. This might have been the end of their shift, and they had just finished working overtime in a park, orbiting in circles looking for a lost child. Or, and this is a real thing, perhaps one of them has to use the restroom like NOW. I've had that happen to me, not while flying, but in a job where you sometimes can't just walk away and take a leak (law enforcement). And if the PIC (Pilot In Command) was in a hurry to go number two, maybe he just wanted to get that thing parked so that he could run inside and take care of Mother Nature, then come back out again and go through the process of tying it down and putting it away into its hangar. That's just one guess of hundreds---I don't know what happened here. But there is one thing I can promise you: Following this expensive accident that wiped out their air unit in seconds, new policies were enacted to prevent this from happening again. It's unfortunate but true. We have a saying in law enforcement about new Stop Signs and/or Traffic Signals: the contracts to get these items were written in blood. (In other words, someone had to die first before they would fix an intersection with known problems). It looked like everyone was okay, but I'm not sure of that. I'll do some DuckDuckGo'ing to search for the story behind this. (Don't use Google for searches, they track everything you do!).
Okay, I did some quick searching. This crash happened in 2012. It was right after the Rose Bowl football game in Pasadena, CA. The bird landing had just returned from there, assisting with traffic control as the cars left the stadium. In all, six people were injured, including one on the ground. They were all treated and released that night. I can't find the NTSB report online. Maybe because it was over 10 years ago? If someone finds it, please post the link. I'd like to know what they found. Thanks.
Agreed and the report actually stated as you can see stormy conditions and a crosswind that as it hit ground effect pushed it into the other helo. Obviously something that a trained pilot can steer clear of but it’s not as simple and stupid as it spears.
The helicopter that was pulled out of the garage was not on its designated assigned parking spot, the 2nd helicopter pilot vision was impaired due to mist and caused vision to be compromised. The 2nd pilot out landed the helicopter where it usually suppose to park not realizing the position of the other
It"s the airborne helicopters fault. It doesn't matter where you're supposed to land, it is your responsibility to make sure that landing area is clear. If you can't put it down where you want and you have to put it in the grass, so be it. It is a lot cheaper to dig the skids out of the mud than replace TWO helicopters. The parking pads being too close is irrelevant, a good pilot knows how far his rotor disk extends out to and will make sure not to land within that range.
Yep, agreed. What if it wasn't an improperly positioned helicopter on the ground? What if a kid, or an animal or something wandered into the landing area? Are you just supposed to land on them? Yes, the other helicopter should've been positioned properly, and the people should be disciplined for failing to do that, but the lion's share of the blame should go to the other pilot who obviously failed to even look to make sure the landing area was clear. It's not like a plane where you can't really abort once you're on the runway. Helicopters can hover, and this one was moving VERY slowly. The only time I could MAYBE understand is if there was severe weather with low visibility, or heavy fog or something, and they were mostly depending on instruments. That definitely wasn't the case here.
There was low visibility. Read the full NTSB report. www.ntsb.gov/about/employment/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20121118X14342&ntsbno=WPR13GA044A&akey=1
That's even more reason not to put the bird down in a tight spot. That's like blaming an accident on the fog. "Sir i know i plowed right in to the back of that other car without even braking, but hey, there was low visibility, it's not my fault !"
Jo Momma If you read the NTSB accident report, the pilot hovering over said she was looking through the chin bubble, yet hover taxing at a height where that’s physically impossible. She also stated she couldn’t see. No one in their right mind is going to hover taxi next to an aircraft which you have no knowledge of its intentions. She had no radio contact. She also stated she could not see the rotor blades turning. They’re painted in a mandatory forest served paint scheme which requires interrupted paint on main rotors blades, which you can clearly see from miles around. These were surplus OH-58A’s operated through “public service”, which allows “restricted category aircraft” to fly over populated areas. Actually “public service aircraft” only requires a medical and no pilots license. Go to ntsb.gov, aircraft accident database, type in the date and area “Altadena” and you’ll see the witnesses statements and how ludicrous they are.
There are very few “bogus” traffic tickets...but a whole lot of dummies who think it’s ok to speed or run red lights because “Don’t the cops have something better to do?” Quit blaming the cops for enforcing the law.
The pilot of the arriving aircraft had a responsibility to maintain separation from other aircraft that went beyond assuming that an aircraft on the other pad would automatically not come into conflict with their rotor disc. But, as the NTSB report notes, (amongst other things) the situation wasn't helped by the positioning of the other aircraft, the non-compliant design of the helipads and the lack of radio procedures for inbound and outbound aircraft at the heliport. Whilst the salient cause was a failure to maintain aircraft separation, there was also a failure of systems, procedures, design and professionalism that stretched back years. It was only a matter of time before these various shortcomings would create a set of circumstances that if occurring simultaneously would inevitably result in an accident.
Many failures involved, agreed (and if you've served on industrial or construction accident investigation teams, you will be very familiar with the notion that "there were so many points at which someone could and should have avoided this"). However, the fact that the landing aircraft's pilot hovered a good distance away from the departing aircraft indicates the pilot did realize that the other aircraft was present and had rotors turning. Quite why s/he then decided to drift toward the grounded aircraft before setting down is not known, but that was the proximate cause of the accident. If the incoming aircraft had just landed where they first appeared set to land, there would have been no accident. The majority of the responsibility therefore has to be placed on the incoming aircraft's pilot.
@@davidedmundson8402 Maybe they can go into a little more detail like:: Please park here. There are big whirly things over your head, and that of your neighbor. If they touch, it will be BAAAAAD! However, you will still receive your participation trophy!!
@John Alarcon Nope, not even. Those helos were surplus military, they were given to the department for free. The only cost associate would be for whatever parts and equipment would have been added after they were acquired, and paint.
Don't you hate it when someone takes up two parking spaces. It looks like the first helicopter was towed out several feet too far to the left. The second helicopter used the ASSUME method. Make an ass of u and me. Plenty of clearance right?
Both of these pilots had more flying experience than your typical airline pilot. In pretty much any line of work, complacency is the enemy. You get used to something being a certain way thousands of times, the one time its not is the one that's gonna bite you. She assumed the other bird was within the perimeter of that box, as its really supposed to be, and was focused on hitting her marks to park. She had actually just left a few minutes earlier and was to have been gone for an hour or so, so the other crew felt it would be ok to use more of the pad to prep for flight. She returned because weather conditions dropped below minimums, and the guy standing by the other heli during the collision was actually telling them to stand down due to weather as well. 22 years with the department, 16,200 hrs, 8,000 of them in this type aircraft, makes one bad assumption and wrecks millions of dollars of equipment, and only luckily doesn't injure or kill anyone. Again, complacency. Everybody does it, hopefully its not one of these when it goes wrong.
ColtDeltaElite10mm you realize to be a police officer in most areas you only need a GED and a clean record? How do you figure cops are more intelligent than your average citizen?
If you look the one was not in the spot is was supposed to be and the other just tried to pus him over. Those damned roundy roundy things got in the way.
They originally did tax the citizens enough to cover for two larger landing pads, but the city couldn't afford new downtown parking meters so they had to shrink the pads. You know..priorities and all.
E30 M3 Like the choppers the underwear's ruined. You can wash and rewash but it's not salvageable. Throw it in the trash and go to Target for a new three-pack.
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 Not true. They cost the tax payers a lot of money. The cost may not have been borne by a particular agency, but the taxpayers paid for it in some way shape or form.
@@PanzerDave My comment stands. It was in response to the idea that civil forfeitures had to go up to pay for the helicopters. Of course they cost something at SOME point, but it cost the agency nothing except maybe transportation costs.
They’ll get the latest retired Army Kiowas for sure so they did ok. The surplus reuse program will get them new helos for nothing and better more up to date fleet straight from Iraq. Be seeing a lot more Kiowas , Blackhawks and OH6 and 8’s in our agencies over the next few years .
Yes, Looks like the first heli did not properly line up on the pad while being rolled out. But even so, the landing pilot absolutely needs to and is able to check stationary aircraft landing for proper rotor clearance and separation . Very tragic.
how he even got up and ran idk. that blade end punched him right in the ribs. at the very least he should be winded. I say extremely lucky. as well as those pilots of the stationary chopper. both those windshields got destroyed by debris. for a few seconds there wasn't any movement from the capt. I thought fsure he was in trouble until he stuck his foot out the door.
James Insalco. You don’t think the insurance company is going charge a deductible and higher premiums? You don’t think that there will be other large costs including lawsuits, injury claims, staff leaves, hiring coverage staff, etc etc etc?
It's actually more the fault of the helicopter taking off because they didn't put the helicopter on pad 1, they staged it between pad 1 and pad 2. When the helicopter approached and proceeded through it's normal landing procedure to pad 2, they were obviously too close together.
Again, PIC has 100% responsibility. She could have easily aborted the landing and gone into a holding pattern waiting for the pad to clear. Her "getthereitis" resulted in a multi-million dollar bill for the tax payers, but it could have easily resulted in loss of life as well. The ground crew has absolutely no culpability in this whatsoever. It's 100% on the PIC of the aircraft landing.
This was set in motion when some genius decided to design a helipad for two in close proximity. A wind gust on any given day could have caused this. Looks like human error on the manual pull out of chopper 1 caused it, but common sense spacing of more than a few feet of clearance would have prevented the accident.
Phillijr , most accidents are caused by more than one person making a mistake, you're right, the pilot or observer if it had one, should of realised the first copter was not positioned correctly, but majority of blame will go to the first copter for being outside the boundary of it's bay
The pilot is checking all kinds of shit while trying to park in their designated parking spot. You can't just assume you're flying level and you don't want to lose focus when you're that close to the ground.
More than 5 Cops collectively suffering from a synchronized case of bad judgement costing tax payers millions of dollars. All seems normal here. Carry on!
LOL Read description. Department told the public not to worry, they had 4 additional choppers. The money has already been wasted. Should just keep these two for whatever spare parts are salvageable.
Unless things are done very differently in the US than they are in UK, it is unlikely to have cost your taxpayers anything like that much. Over here we use 'insurance' and I'm sure you yanks do to. Also, it is unlikely that your police department owns the helicopters. They are probably leased.
*Albert Ochoa* J O Boyle is probably correct on the insurance for those million dollar Police helicopters. Since police cars would be subject to the same required coverages as any other motorist in the state. I figure Police helicopters are too. Depending on the jurisdiction and the needs of the municipality, a Commercial Auto policy would cover the police vehicles for: Liability Medical Expense/Personal Injury Protection Uninsured Motorist Coverage Physical Damage Coverage
The fault goes to both the crew who rolled out the chopper in the incorrect position but mainly to the incoming pilot who failed to realize the chopper was positioned incorrectly and not to use the land pad markings for guidance while landing.
Are you from Missouri? I hear if you are rear-ended there, you are 10% at fault for being there. No way could this be any ones fault but the pilot landing .
X marks the spot eh.. in this case, "more or less on the spot" wasn't good enough. Tbh a slight wind gust would have had the same result even if the correct distances were observed. I'm not sure who thought having those landing strips so close was fine. Those are safe only for parking. As in "push it over there, engine off".
No kidding. There was PLENTY of room to land next to it even if the one sitting there was in the incorrect spot. Are they just ignoring their eyes and only going by marks on the ground? It's not like there was a storm, winds, fog, or low visiblity or anything. I could kind of see something like that happening in a storm with strong gusts of wind, but it doesn't look like there was anything like that.
TheDoug2103 Could have at least centered on the pad. Not 7ft to the right. Thats the only 1 issue i see with them. As for the other, he should have landed where he came in at. Not crept over.
You would think when you are dealing with that expensive of equipment you would have big bright painted demarcation lines with at least 8 feet of extra clearance to avoid this very type of avoidable catastrophe. Better still. Give each chopper it's very own individual landing pad, with at least 8 feet of clearance ALL AROUND THE EDGES.
The camera angle isn't the best, but it appears heli #1 rolled out onto helipad #1 in the wrong position; lined up on the outer boundary marker of helipad #1. Regardless, heli #2 should have recognized the situation and made appropriate adjustments in its landing approach. The whole lot of them were negligent and should be fired for grand stupidity. It's a miracle no one was seriously injured or killed.
Tong Ma Sy The Helipad is designed to be dead level and dead flat , if the 2nd pilot chances it and landed off the helipad it may cause it too rock or fall over due to the ground not being level off the Pad . the 2nd pilot never have room either side of the first helicopter to fit on the helipad due to the first helicopter siting in the middle. So both at fault but the second helicopter shouldn't have landed.
Looks to me like the ground crew placed the Long Ranger on the wrong position off of the apron, knowing there was an inbound aircraft about to land. But there again, the second aircraft pilot should be aware of the rotor disc overlap risk and landed slightly further away. Near pilot not in the wrong. Ground crew and second aircraft pilot errors, collectively.
Even if both aircrafts are in the right position on the ground, they look too close to each other. The design of the helipad seems to have no margin for error.
People parroting how the ground crew didn't position the first helicopter in such-and-such a way... You are not to supposed to hover-taxi near people/aircraft. The other pilot could have landed at the first pad, she was already there. Instead, she had a lapse in judgement and became fixated on parking closer to the hanger; perhaps focusing on being more "convenient." Once committed to shifting over to that spot, she lost any further attempt at understanding the picture of where she was flying: she was focused on landing perfectly in the spot she choose. With the PIC on the right, her peripheral reference excluded what was going on on the left. Part of her rationale lies in a statement that she didn't think the other helicopter's rotors were spinning. Jet rangers are about 6 feet wide at the skids (about how far off center the grounded one was.) Do the math: If the pad you choose has less than 3 feet of clearance before your rotors overlap into the next one, why in the heck would you land next to an occupied pad? Without guidance?
Looks like the crew that brought out the heli didn't place it over the center pad, and the pilot didn't catch it either. No shortage of oversight by all party. This happens when compliancy sets in.
Both the one on the ground and the one in the air were negligent! They should have seen they had the one on the ground in the wrong spot and the pilot in the air should have noticed it was shifted to the right also into his space! Fire them all or place them back in a car beat!
They pulled the first chopper NOT in the proper position on the danger sign! they were practically in between both signs on the ground! Thus leaving the landing chopper not much leeway! he were perhaps concentrating on the yellow markings instead of blade distances. My observations methinks!
Wolfie D So you crash into a helicopter because it's in your pad? I land helos near other helos turning on the ramp all the time. You always maintain separation. Imagine telling the owner you landed into another chopper, because it was parked in your pad! I have even landed further and waited for the aircraft to depart before relocating to the pad. That pilot landing did not maintain separation. Those two pads are way too small, agreed, but procedures exist for this reason. That landing area should 2 to 3 times bigger.
You are exactly correct. The first helicopter was positioned incorrectly, and the second helicopter landed in the correct zone. It was clearly the ground crews mistake.
The pilot should never assume that his space is free of FOD theres plenty of room even with the other helicopter positioned wrong the pilot should have been paying attention to his surroundings. He shout have checked that he was clear just like he would do before taxing
The landing chopper had no choice but to land in that exact spot. After the first chopper was pushed out, this collision was UNAVOIDABLE, you know, since there wasn't a huge empty field RIGHT THERE!!!
Well, I dunno... if you take a closer look, you might see a spot or two where a small patch of plastic, say cut out from a gallon milk jug, might have to be epoxied on and painted over.
Looks like the airborne heli Pilot's fault, to me, for not having good situational awareness. It also looks like the ground crew didn't place their heli in the correct location.
RoboTekno exactly, why bother painting the "Spotting Positions" if they are ignored. These guys wouldn't have lasted long on an aircraft carrier flight deck. Also, why is there no marshalling person on the ground, as used in the navy and the other services.?
Because they figured the taxpayers would forget about it after 5 years of how much money it just cost the City of Pasadena because they had to spend the taxpayers money to replace the two helicopters because cities can't be without only taxpayers can live without . Absolute power corrupted absolutely
The incoming Female Pilot had 16,200 helicopter flight hours and 22 years experience as a pilot there. I have no idea what the average hours are for a very experienced Helicopter pilot, but 16,200 sounds like a lot to me? It almost looks like her Helicopter kept drifting sideways more than she wanted. Not sure why she just didn't stand by where she had almost landed to start with and waited for the other to leave. Just amazing that no one was killed or even received more than minor injuries.
"drifting more than she wanted" you realize helicopters have directional control ability? Right? Its what enables this thing we call flight. What we see here is simple pilot error. Why make excuses for her, because she's a woman?
"You see, assault is when you threaten somebody with physical harm, and battery is when you make actual contact. Now for a demonstration, we'll have Officer Roy demonstrate." "Wait, isn't Roy the helicopter pilot?"
Just because the first one was badly positioned dose not mean the second one can fly into it. She should have known better and not landed until the first one had taken off. She is 100% at fault because she had control and exercised bad judgment by landing so close to the stationary copter.
@@Grey_Duck your assertion is Flawed. If the first one is within the TLOF and positioned correctly how dose that rescue the FEMALE pilot of the landing copter from responsibility of a safe landing in VFR condition?
I don't recall saying that it did. I was simply refuting the OP's original suggestion (one that you agreed with) that the first helicopter was incorrectly positioned.
@@Grey_Duck you are absolutely correct Sir, I misconstrued your post. there are 2 parts to this accident you were only referring to the positioning of the first copter and not absolving the second copter pilot from responsibility.
California is irresponsible with our tax money. Pasadena, also paid $295,932.00 on a temporary chain link fence to prevent suicide jumpers from leaping off the small historic Pasadena bridge and plans to build a permanent fence for $2M when they could just hire full time security which gives job opportunities to their community which circulates money back into the economy and keeps the bridge in its original historic condition. I’m sure the mayor and the politics get a good “tip” from the construction company building it.
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I HATE YOU TUBE and its fascist dictatorship. censoring speech, censoring content. white washing the world as if this is helping anyone. hopefully Musk buys google next. its not hard to do to make a platform the same. but google stuffs them, blackballs them. ive tried a few but its like wow they suck so bad. thanks for the post my dude. long live freedom of speech
Thank you for what you do! Nobody else I've seen provides this level of footage. Indeed youtube has gotten over the top with Censorship it is extremely irritating. I'm a big boy ,I can handle it don't try to sugar coat and cover up reality RUclips! Life isn't sugar coated and covered up in a white washed world! This is especially true for combat footage because you know we have to keep people hidden from the gruesome fact of reality and live in a make believe world.
@@turbo-brian corporate greed never fails.
You hate free enterprise?@@whateveritwasitis
imagine having to explain to the sgt. how you lost the entire air unit in 5 seconds
Lmao
Well, what happened was... Tackleberry, Mahoney and Hightower had just rolled their chopper out and started it up. Meanwhiles, Hooks, Jones and Zed were approaching to land on the other pad... :)
I am Cringeman The investigation will turn up nothing.
@@Andrew-13579 Another man of 80s culture I see.
What really bothers me is that a police department has not 1 but 2 helicopters.What a waste of $
Most avoidable helicopter crash in history.
Cops usually show excellent judgement
Escape for Mankind is Keith Johnson Yes they do, you fucking asshat. 🖕🏼
Poor taxpayers . . . .
Abject incompetence at all levels will eventually destroy this nation.
Escape for Mankind is Keith Johnson no one ever said you had to be overly intelligent to be a cop
As a former Vietnam helicopter door gunner this sends chills up my spine....I was involved in a similar accident in 1969....our crew survived but the crew that caused the accident did not.
Glad you and your crew are safe. Thanks for being there for us. C 1/7 1st Air Cav.
Seen from this camera perspective, there seems to have been enough space for two helicopters on this area.
But the 2nd helicopter that then landed apparently wanted to get nice and *close* to the *marked* landing site, while the 1st helicopter that was already parked was parked much too far *outside* the area *marked* for this (1st) helicopter. 😟
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My hometown still mourns a fellow who left the family and all his younger brother to fight in Vietnam, only to be killed in a helicopter training exercise. He was hit in the head by a landing helicopter's rotor.
Welcome home Brother! I was at Phu Cat 69-70 USAF, it still seems like it was just a few days ago.
@@robertaccornero7172 Yes
When I went through helicopter training it didnt matter where other aircraft where parked. “See and avoid” were the rules
exactly.. second pilots didnt notice the parked one was not on the "marks" and the crew who parked it paid no attention to where it was placed.
Complacency - "A feeling of contentment or self-satisfaction, especially when coupled with an unawareness of danger, trouble, or controversy." But "DANGER" is painted quite obviously in multiple places on the pads.
Difficult to see from the camera's angle, but I would think there would be lines painted on the pad for each spot. Helicopter 1's skids must be somewhere between this line and this line. Note those words, "must" and "between". They are important words. Helicopter 2 must be between this here line and that line. If the two conditions are always met, there will be no trouble.
Pilot of helicopter 2, on approach, "Those dumbasses parked their helo over the line. I'm not going to be a dumbass like them."
That seems to make a lot of sense to me.
AGREED
Rules don't count for cops
“Attention to detail.” That was preached to us daily in the military. The guys pulling the first helo out of the hanger didn’t have it. They parked it off center.
Not My Real Name, It’s obvious that they aren’t military veterans, but stooges.
yeah they are too close together
You can tell by the smashed bits everywhere
Man I noticed that too but I wasn't so sure. It's the first helicopters fault
The pavement markings were wet - they were harder to see and pay attention to!!!!
@@danherrick5785 the marks are hard to see in the video, but not when you walk out the helio out of the hangar!
The first helicopter was not parked on its" H" mark. Sloppy ground staff.! .
The second one " assumed" the grounded chopper was in its proper location. Always check.. and check again. Two stupid acts,one by ground crew, the other by the second pilot. Careless lack of attention can kill. They should have been fired. All involved.
Indeed
Fired ? For a couple of insured helicopters?
Hell these idiots KILL people by shooting them in the back and they keep those cushy jobs . Fired .....lolol
Heli pilots sit in the right seat, not the left seat. From her position it would be very hard to see where that other one was parked and assuming the ground crew had done its job correctly is not unusual. If anything the air support Lt has some of the blame since he distracted the commercial pilot while the other was landing - the commercial pilot should have been watching the other helicopter.
Totally sloppy ground crew. Pilot incoming is on blind side and it is wet. Should a landing be taking place when a Copter is already spinning up (unpredictable). Agreed pads are far too close. Does need accountability for this as stated above.
@Heads Mess It just happend few times in Avganistan when two balck hawks collide in desert while in action. One black hawk crashed next Osama Bin Laden house when seal team was going to kill him. This kind of shit happens. And that pilots looked like it wanted to see what's going to happen if rotors collide hahaha
this is the perfect example of what happens when I try to get close to someone
Brutal.
That sucks, but I love the comment. Well played
get a dog and rent your hoe's,
then watch happiness blossom
No wonder
@@Tetragramix :(
That was so preventable in so many ways it just boggles the imagination.
@Antonio P. del Hierro-Valdés And replace them with WHAT exactly? What possible organization composed of human beings of any kind with the capability to take on armed criminals is going to always be perfect at every individual level, with every one of its tens of thousands of members guaranteed to be saints and every branch of it incorruptible? I hear a lot of mindless hate directed at cops lately, but no alternate solutions purposed that aren't idiotic to the point of mental illness and or even seriously expected by those pushing them to ever be implemented, at least in their neighborhoods.
@Antonio P. del Hierro-Valdés police are needed BLM fascist
We could do without this ridiculously expensive war on drugs which after all, most of these copters are used for. There'd be fewer criminals and fewer drug dealers if you took the profit out of drugs, but then those folks over in DC there would be pissed.
@@joesmoe71
Robots & cyborgs will be next, but we'll quickly find the lack of true emotion is even more dangerous.
Andrew Tornadoboy well maybe if our government actually gave a fuck about ppl their wouldn’t be as much criminals. But your government is money hungry and they neeed protection. We don’t need federal+state+county. Arm the good people of California and America itself and let’s see if crime is still at a high.
Not too many people can say they got spanked by a spinning rotor from a crashed helicopter, and then walked away.
Dude. I thought you were joking. I just slowed it down and yes, sure enough, Lt. Spanky took a spanking plain as day. Good thing the blade was vertically aligned or he'd have four a$$ cheeks today!
@@maryslittlehelpers8163 then he fucket toffed and left his mates to fend for themselves
Milagrosamente!
@@jamescooke3763 Well, when you gotta go, you gotta go.
😂😂😂
I think the problem was one helicopter got too close to the other helicopter.
lol
Nope. The first heli hasn't been positioned correctly on the platform
You know, Dylan, I think you might be onto something.
Dylan Lester that might be it... hmmm
Dylan Lester No shit, Sherlock!
Even though there were other contributing factors involved, it's still the responsibility of the pilot to ensure the safe operation of his/her aircraft, that's one of the first things they teach you in flight school and using an aircraft marshaller would have been a good idea given the close proximity to other aircraft and the weather conditions also. Colliding with a stationary object is pretty cut and dry.
Even though your comment is over a year old, it's still worth commenting on. You are 100% correct. As you know, as a pilot, there is NEVER EVER one single reason for a catastrophe to happen. Never. Instead, it is a series of small (sometimes not so small) errors that lead up to the tragedy. In this case, having absolutely no personal knowledge of anything other than watching the same video that everyone else has, I can see things here and there leading up to it. And I'll bet you that when the NTSB investigated this crash, they found training errors and/or omissions from their helicopter unit.
But the one huge error that sticks out like a sore thumb to me is that the incoming helicopter that lands was working off of muscle memory and routine. I'll bet he's come in that way and landing and taxied exactly that way a thousand times, so in his mind, why would this be any different? I know that sounds crazy, and why would someone do that? The simple answer is that we are human, and humans make mistakes. It's who we are---we make mistakes in everything we do at some point. And that is why, in flying, there are lots of things that you learn and get trained on and practice repeatedly so that the odds are increased of never having any type of accident or mishap. This might have been the end of their shift, and they had just finished working overtime in a park, orbiting in circles looking for a lost child. Or, and this is a real thing, perhaps one of them has to use the restroom like NOW. I've had that happen to me, not while flying, but in a job where you sometimes can't just walk away and take a leak (law enforcement). And if the PIC (Pilot In Command) was in a hurry to go number two, maybe he just wanted to get that thing parked so that he could run inside and take care of Mother Nature, then come back out again and go through the process of tying it down and putting it away into its hangar. That's just one guess of hundreds---I don't know what happened here. But there is one thing I can promise you: Following this expensive accident that wiped out their air unit in seconds, new policies were enacted to prevent this from happening again. It's unfortunate but true. We have a saying in law enforcement about new Stop Signs and/or Traffic Signals: the contracts to get these items were written in blood. (In other words, someone had to die first before they would fix an intersection with known problems).
It looked like everyone was okay, but I'm not sure of that. I'll do some DuckDuckGo'ing to search for the story behind this. (Don't use Google for searches, they track everything you do!).
Okay, I did some quick searching. This crash happened in 2012. It was right after the Rose Bowl football game in Pasadena, CA. The bird landing had just returned from there, assisting with traffic control as the cars left the stadium. In all, six people were injured, including one on the ground. They were all treated and released that night.
I can't find the NTSB report online. Maybe because it was over 10 years ago? If someone finds it, please post the link. I'd like to know what they found. Thanks.
@@andysmith6824 Check the description. It has the NTSB link at the bottom.
Agreed and the report actually stated as you can see stormy conditions and a crosswind that as it hit ground effect pushed it into the other helo. Obviously something that a trained pilot can steer clear of but it’s not as simple and stupid as it spears.
The helicopter that was pulled out of the garage was not on its designated assigned parking spot, the 2nd helicopter pilot vision was impaired due to mist and caused vision to be compromised. The 2nd pilot out landed the helicopter where it usually suppose to park not realizing the position of the other
A New Police song: 'Don't Land So Close to Me'
stokepogue hahahahaha,absolutely
haha. very clever
stokepogue This made me laugh so hard I choked on my own spit. Thank you?
stokepogue Good one 😁
Fucking brilliant
CRAIGSLIST AD: 2 used PD helicopters, low miles, slight damage, great project vehicles. Priced to move.!!
Jimmy Garrett No shit Sherlock, like the average person on Craigslist knows about airframe hours. Don't spoil the joke.
RellyOhBoy oh these two choppers go by miles... just look... theres a piece over there, another piece there...
TheVFXbyArt 😁😁😁😁
lmao....
NO LOW BALLERS!!!
It"s the airborne helicopters fault. It doesn't matter where you're supposed to land, it is your responsibility to make sure that landing area is clear. If you can't put it down where you want and you have to put it in the grass, so be it. It is a lot cheaper to dig the skids out of the mud than replace TWO helicopters. The parking pads being too close is irrelevant, a good pilot knows how far his rotor disk extends out to and will make sure not to land within that range.
Yep, agreed. What if it wasn't an improperly positioned helicopter on the ground? What if a kid, or an animal or something wandered into the landing area? Are you just supposed to land on them? Yes, the other helicopter should've been positioned properly, and the people should be disciplined for failing to do that, but the lion's share of the blame should go to the other pilot who obviously failed to even look to make sure the landing area was clear. It's not like a plane where you can't really abort once you're on the runway. Helicopters can hover, and this one was moving VERY slowly. The only time I could MAYBE understand is if there was severe weather with low visibility, or heavy fog or something, and they were mostly depending on instruments. That definitely wasn't the case here.
There was low visibility.
Read the full NTSB report. www.ntsb.gov/about/employment/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20121118X14342&ntsbno=WPR13GA044A&akey=1
That's even more reason not to put the bird down in a tight spot.
That's like blaming an accident on the fog.
"Sir i know i plowed right in to the back of that other car without even braking, but hey, there was low visibility, it's not my fault !"
Jo Momma If you read the NTSB accident report, the pilot hovering over said she was looking through the chin bubble, yet hover taxing at a height where that’s physically impossible. She also stated she couldn’t see. No one in their right mind is going to hover taxi next to an aircraft which you have no knowledge of its intentions. She had no radio contact. She also stated she could not see the rotor blades turning. They’re painted in a mandatory forest served paint scheme which requires interrupted paint on main rotors blades, which you can clearly see from miles around. These were surplus OH-58A’s operated through “public service”, which allows “restricted category aircraft” to fly over populated areas. Actually “public service aircraft” only requires a medical and no pilots license. Go to ntsb.gov, aircraft accident database, type in the date and area “Altadena” and you’ll see the witnesses statements and how ludicrous they are.
So John, how is it physically impossible to look out the chin bubble at that height? Are you a helicopter pilot? Enlighten us. signed the moron.
CNN: Helicopters mostly landing OK.
@Earl James Evidence? They do that on fox now?
@Earl James You forget they defunded the police already.
Fox makes ur brain turn to mush
@@RJDJ-tz2hd any of those reality tv shows do.
No evidence of a crash here
Nothing 50,000 bogus traffic tickets won't fix.
yup
😂😂😂
Good one, buhahha
There are very few “bogus” traffic tickets...but a whole lot of dummies who think it’s ok to speed or run red lights because “Don’t the cops have something better to do?”
Quit blaming the cops for enforcing the law.
Pasadena has an entire division of meter maids just for parking tickets. The regular police don't issue them.
I guess that part of the tarmac where it says "DANGER" is spot on.
That’s what happened when you don’t observe social distancing, literally.
They were 2 meters apart ;)
They will investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong.
Social distancing is A. A fallacy and B. Retarded
Still funny a year later.
"Hey guys, shouldn't we be further over on top of the yellow H?"
"No kid, just push rookie"
"Yes sir"
They don’t call them choppers for nothing.
jajaja lol, the best!
Arnold disagrees... They're "CHOPPA's".
"Better check our clearance, Clarence."
"Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?"
😂
Surely you can't be serious.
@@jamesanakin "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"
It's a different kind of flying altogether.
Hilarious haha!!
The pilot of the arriving aircraft had a responsibility to maintain separation from other aircraft that went beyond assuming that an aircraft on the other pad would automatically not come into conflict with their rotor disc. But, as the NTSB report notes, (amongst other things) the situation wasn't helped by the positioning of the other aircraft, the non-compliant design of the helipads and the lack of radio procedures for inbound and outbound aircraft at the heliport. Whilst the salient cause was a failure to maintain aircraft separation, there was also a failure of systems, procedures, design and professionalism that stretched back years. It was only a matter of time before these various shortcomings would create a set of circumstances that if occurring simultaneously would inevitably result in an accident.
Many failures involved, agreed (and if you've served on industrial or construction accident investigation teams, you will be very familiar with the notion that "there were so many points at which someone could and should have avoided this").
However, the fact that the landing aircraft's pilot hovered a good distance away from the departing aircraft indicates the pilot did realize that the other aircraft was present and had rotors turning. Quite why s/he then decided to drift toward the grounded aircraft before setting down is not known, but that was the proximate cause of the accident. If the incoming aircraft had just landed where they first appeared set to land, there would have been no accident. The majority of the responsibility therefore has to be placed on the incoming aircraft's pilot.
Unless you are the type to crash in to EVERY car DOUBLE PARKED.
Swiss cheese model.
+Revtune: Precisely.
Yeah...What Tony said!
They got to fuck'n close.
They should paint a yellow square on the concrete so they know exactly where to park it 😂
you mean like the ones on the ground!
Should be an "X" with the words, "Park on the X, Stupid".
@Nombre Apellido they turned the first chopper into a convertible in a millisecond!
@@davidedmundson8402 Maybe they can go into a little more detail like:: Please park here. There are big whirly things over your head, and that of your neighbor. If they touch, it will be BAAAAAD!
However, you will still receive your participation trophy!!
Nombre Apellido Seen it, very gnarly entirely preventable and sad: A guy approaching a heli from the front during spool down.
Time to write more tickets cuz they need some new helicopters.
Need a much larger heliport!!!!!! or better pilots.
@John Alarcon Nope, not even. Those helos were surplus military, they were given to the department for free. The only cost associate would be for whatever parts and equipment would have been added after they were acquired, and paint.
They weren't joking when they painted "Danger" on the concrete, were they!
Mikaela Bowen You're spot-on ! 😛
Mikaela Bowen Americans can't read or they are just way too lazy to do it!
Second pilot needs to be parking cars for a living.
The first helicopter should park on H sign. Stupid that they did not do it.
Ken Rascon. Gosh, what a great joke...zzzzzzzz
Don't you hate it when someone takes up two parking spaces.
It looks like the first helicopter was towed out several feet too far to the left.
The second helicopter used the ASSUME method. Make an ass of u and me. Plenty of clearance right?
This is like when you and a friend go for a high five but you both miss and slap each other in the face.
Both of these pilots had more flying experience than your typical airline pilot. In pretty much any line of work, complacency is the enemy. You get used to something being a certain way thousands of times, the one time its not is the one that's gonna bite you. She assumed the other bird was within the perimeter of that box, as its really supposed to be, and was focused on hitting her marks to park. She had actually just left a few minutes earlier and was to have been gone for an hour or so, so the other crew felt it would be ok to use more of the pad to prep for flight. She returned because weather conditions dropped below minimums, and the guy standing by the other heli during the collision was actually telling them to stand down due to weather as well. 22 years with the department, 16,200 hrs, 8,000 of them in this type aircraft, makes one bad assumption and wrecks millions of dollars of equipment, and only luckily doesn't injure or kill anyone. Again, complacency. Everybody does it, hopefully its not one of these when it goes wrong.
were they fired?
Kind of the way most people try to park in a shopping center without being aware of their surroundings.
"she" explains everything, all you need to know.
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Even on a crappy youtube video the weather conditions looked like pea soup. Not sure what you need a helicopter for in those conditions.
In the long tradition of police unions. Two weeks paid leave for everyone while we investigate ourselves and find no wrongdoing.
ColtDeltaElite10mm you realize to be a police officer in most areas you only need a GED and a clean record? How do you figure cops are more intelligent than your average citizen?
+ColtDeltaElite10mm
You're so right. Those "cop tests" are too hard. Glad I went to medical school where they conduct testing in crayon.
ColtDeltaElite10mm i would rather not have health care than be a complete piece of garbage full of shame
How long do you get paid leave to investigate just how dumb you really are?
Because unlike your parents, they would have insisted on an abortion rather than deliver you to the world.
Having two running helicopters very closely side by side what could possibly go wrong? smh
If you look the one was not in the spot is was supposed to be and the other just tried to pus him over. Those damned roundy roundy things got in the way.
fist bump bro?
There's not actually that much danger in them both running. The danger is if one pilot forgets he's flying a helicopter.
What harm could those roundy roundy thingys do?
They originally did tax the citizens enough to cover for two larger landing pads, but the city couldn't afford new downtown parking meters so they had to shrink the pads. You know..priorities and all.
Hope everyone is alright, but I have to say... That was an impressive catastrophe.
Ok I'm gonna have to see a license and proof of insurance?
Well it does say "DANGER" on the pavement...
@@originalfiremancancelled7303 Asian pilots.
Who knew that might be a healthy sort of warning to the PILOTS...😏🙄
Thankfully the pavement appears to be unharmed
Some people like danger 😎 pilot must've been an adrenaline junky. He even took an entire rotor blade to the ribs and walked away.
@@lunapetunia3778
mmm ... Ribs
(said in a Homer Simpson voice)
2 helicopters destroyed? No mention of the catastrophic events that happened in his underwear!
E30 M3 Like the choppers the underwear's ruined. You can wash and rewash but it's not salvageable. Throw it in the trash and go to Target for a new three-pack.
Maybe he is also an E30 guy, you cant shock us XD
E30 M3 🤣🤣👍🏻
E30 M3 That would be a shitty story...
I'm still sniffing them now
Damn,looks like somebody's going to be flying a desk from now on.
They need to make the "DANGER" signs much bigger!
Jon Cox Heli pad should be the standard large circle with an H like most airports!😨
Maybe another sign that says look out for vehicles the size of two motor vehicles.
Hahaha maybe not color it the the same color as the border color of the heli pad
If you can read and understand what it means!
J.C. Haha.... first laugh of the day.
And civil forfeiture went up 5000% in the following months in Pasadena.
Nope. Those helicopters were acquired through the DOD "1033" program, they literally cost nothing to acquire.
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 *the first pair
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 Here's hoping they handle all that military ordinance weaponry with some generous caution .
@@shindrithargriethrat8408 Not true. They cost the tax payers a lot of money. The cost may not have been borne by a particular agency, but the taxpayers paid for it in some way shape or form.
@@PanzerDave My comment stands. It was in response to the idea that civil forfeitures had to go up to pay for the helicopters. Of course they cost something at SOME point, but it cost the agency nothing except maybe transportation costs.
I guess this is one way to get a new helo fleet.
They’ll get the latest retired Army Kiowas for sure so they did ok. The surplus reuse program will get them new helos for nothing and better more up to date fleet straight from Iraq. Be seeing a lot more Kiowas , Blackhawks and OH6 and 8’s in our agencies over the next few years .
Lol true
Said no voting taxpayer ever..
Hahaha bet local PD upped speeding and traffic violations for the forceable future.
@@grimmyr1244 ....Fact!
Yes, Looks like the first heli did not properly line up on the pad while being rolled out. But even so, the landing pilot absolutely needs to and is able to check stationary aircraft landing for proper rotor clearance and separation . Very tragic.
Wow that man standing outside by the heli that was firing up is sooooooo lucky....
He got hit by the rotor so ??? (he did run away)
Watch it again. Fast repeat it. He got hit with the rotor.
Yes he got hit by the rotor. Does this mean he is... Unlucky..?
He did walk away.... I say lucky.
how he even got up and ran idk. that blade end punched him right in the ribs. at the very least he should be winded. I say extremely lucky. as well as those pilots of the stationary chopper. both those windshields got destroyed by debris. for a few seconds there wasn't any movement from the capt. I thought fsure he was in trouble until he stuck his foot out the door.
Taxpayers got it covered. Pilots get promoted. Ca$e closed.
Bill Lowe lmao
James Insalco. You don’t think the insurance company is going charge a deductible and higher premiums? You don’t think that there will be other large costs including lawsuits, injury claims, staff leaves, hiring coverage staff, etc etc etc?
Bill Lowe as a taxpaying customer I approve of this move.
Bill Lowe the pilots would be fired ya dope
fist bump bro?
looks like they lowered the I.Q. standards for police pilots as well as patrol officers.
They have to be law enforcement officers first. They don't just hire experienced pilots. So, the answer to your question, is "yes".
False
It's actually more the fault of the helicopter taking off because they didn't put the helicopter on pad 1, they staged it between pad 1 and pad 2. When the helicopter approached and proceeded through it's normal landing procedure to pad 2, they were obviously too close together.
they were never that high to start with
Well, there was a period in detroit where you didnt need a highschool diploma
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, “DOH!”
I don't think that's going to buff out.
I can fix that sarge just get me some two hundred mph tape and some jb weld!
We know one thing though...She was a SHE
Good job the ejector seat never went off.
No worries, they'll fleece the tax payers for 14 million to replace them.
Our tax dollars at work
I saw people walking away, therefor I deem this landing a good landing.
lol
I hate that fucking saying.... sets a pretty low standard, don't you think?
Agree. Any landing you can walk away is a good landing.
😂
yeah butty butt but any landing where you can use the aircraft afterwards is a great landing ;) :D :D :D
Just me trolling others in GTA..
Ahhh look at who commented!
😅😂🤣🤣
At least you aren’t like the other 6.3K comments where everyone all the sudden turns into a helicopter landing expert
I’m 2 years late
Thank GOD "DANGER" was painted on the ground.
The danger is done.
It looks like there are markings for locating the skids of the helicopter, but the crew bringing it out just ignored them.
The move crew was also the aircrew.
Again, PIC has 100% responsibility. She could have easily aborted the landing and gone into a holding pattern waiting for the pad to clear. Her "getthereitis" resulted in a multi-million dollar bill for the tax payers, but it could have easily resulted in loss of life as well. The ground crew has absolutely no culpability in this whatsoever. It's 100% on the PIC of the aircraft landing.
@@BitwiseMobile I have to agree. The incoming pilot could have easily avoided the crash.
@@BitwiseMobile His pad was totally clear, if not it's the bad move of the ground crew.
That dude will be on medical for the rest of his life. We get to pay for that now...
You are really that stupid? You think they keep people on a disability for more than a year?
Hey it’s taxpayers money. That’s why they care...
They have insurance...🙄
@@disbsam333 yah ! They might ? Dumb , dumb ! Life insurance doesn't help when your dead ?
@@kevinkroll6456 this was in reference to the taxpayers picking up the bill.
@@disbsam333 Maybe. I have seen instances where a government agency was under insured or self insured. Oops.
@@disbsam333 police over here are exempt from insurance since it would be too expensive...
David Attenborough voice: "here we have two examples of the species Police also known as Cops, the dumbest specimen of the human variation"
This was set in motion when some genius decided to design a helipad for two in close proximity. A wind gust on any given day could have caused this. Looks like human error on the manual pull out of chopper 1 caused it, but common sense spacing of more than a few feet of clearance would have prevented the accident.
If they had of parked the first helicopter in it's bay instead of between both bays everything would have been alright
But, why did they park one in between bays? Do they hire asshole drivers for their helicopters that like to hog parking spaces?
K Rank regardless, common sense should have told the 2nd helicopter pilot to set down where it was @ 4:00 or go for a dam ride and wait!!
Phillijr , most accidents are caused by more than one person making a mistake, you're right, the pilot or observer if it had one, should of realised the first copter was not positioned correctly, but majority of blame will go to the first copter for being outside the boundary of it's bay
The pilot is checking all kinds of shit while trying to park in their designated parking spot. You can't just assume you're flying level and you don't want to lose focus when you're that close to the ground.
I am sure Putin is to blame
Lmao
Hahaha. Russian bots
hillary caused this one! putin was only watching.
"Well let's pack it up boys and call it a day."
Two helicopters landing next to each other on a small pad... what could possibly go wrong?
More than 5 Cops collectively suffering from a synchronized case of bad judgement costing tax payers millions of dollars. All seems normal here. Carry on!
LOL Read description. Department told the public not to worry, they had 4 additional choppers. The money has already been wasted. Should just keep these two for whatever spare parts are salvageable.
Unless things are done very differently in the US than they are in UK, it is unlikely to have cost your taxpayers anything like that much. Over here we use 'insurance' and I'm sure you yanks do to. Also, it is unlikely that your police department owns the helicopters. They are probably leased.
J O Boyle insurance won't cover accidents caused by not following basic safety procedures.
Oh yes it will. (unless your insurance is pretty strange in USA).
*Albert Ochoa* J O Boyle is probably correct on the insurance for those million dollar Police helicopters.
Since police cars would be subject to the same required coverages as any other motorist in the state. I figure Police helicopters are too.
Depending on the jurisdiction and the needs of the municipality, a Commercial Auto policy would cover the police vehicles for:
Liability
Medical Expense/Personal Injury Protection
Uninsured Motorist Coverage
Physical Damage Coverage
Landed!
xjet Not funny Bruce.... unless you were not involved. Then it is hilarious!
GREASED IT!
WASTED!
Permanently
At least
CAPTAINS HATE HIM! FIND OUT HOW THIS ONE SIMPLE AND EASY TRICK EARNED JIMMY A DISCHARGE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
I'm *speachless!*
Nah, he probably got a promotion and a new chopper
Thank you for providing a detailed description of the event in addition to the video!
Did he get a ticket, improper lane change
The fault goes to both the crew who rolled out the chopper in the incorrect position but mainly to the incoming pilot who failed to realize the chopper was positioned incorrectly and not to use the land pad markings for guidance while landing.
Are you from Missouri? I hear if you are rear-ended there, you are 10% at fault for being there. No way could this be any ones fault but the pilot landing .
X marks the spot eh.. in this case, "more or less on the spot" wasn't good enough.
Tbh a slight wind gust would have had the same result even if the correct distances were observed. I'm not sure who thought having those landing strips so close was fine. Those are safe only for parking. As in "push it over there, engine off".
No kidding. There was PLENTY of room to land next to it even if the one sitting there was in the incorrect spot. Are they just ignoring their eyes and only going by marks on the ground? It's not like there was a storm, winds, fog, or low visiblity or anything. I could kind of see something like that happening in a storm with strong gusts of wind, but it doesn't look like there was anything like that.
frank woolsey I see. Actually, your the moron for assuming ignorance due to locale.
bts845 you are 100% Correct
I don't see one person who did anything right.
the 2 guys in the copter that hadnt taken off did nothing. they were just sitting waiting to go out and replace the incoming one.
I agree
TheDoug2103 Could have at least centered on the pad. Not 7ft to the right. Thats the only 1 issue i see with them. As for the other, he should have landed where he came in at. Not crept over.
Kalifornia. Go Figure....
Randy She Becos it makes too much sense !
"-upon touching down, the pilot realized too late that his helicopter was still set in PARTY mode-"
You would think when you are dealing with that expensive of equipment you would have big bright painted demarcation lines with at least 8 feet of extra clearance to avoid this very type of avoidable catastrophe. Better still. Give each chopper it's very own individual landing pad, with at least 8 feet of clearance ALL AROUND THE EDGES.
Yup
Ima sheep ahahahahahahhah
The camera angle isn't the best, but it appears heli #1 rolled out onto helipad #1 in the wrong position; lined up on the outer boundary marker of helipad #1. Regardless, heli #2 should have recognized the situation and made appropriate adjustments in its landing approach. The whole lot of them were negligent and should be fired for grand stupidity. It's a miracle no one was seriously injured or killed.
Tong Ma Sy The Helipad is designed to be dead level and dead flat , if the 2nd pilot chances it and landed off the helipad it may cause it too rock or fall over due to the ground not being level off the Pad . the 2nd pilot never have room either side of the first helicopter to fit on the helipad due to the first helicopter siting in the middle. So both at fault but the second helicopter shouldn't have landed.
yes !!! very expensive equipment but so what they will get newer model, its not their moneys do you think they care?
Looks to me like the ground crew placed the Long Ranger on the wrong position off of the apron, knowing there was an inbound aircraft about to land. But there again, the second aircraft pilot should be aware of the rotor disc overlap risk and landed slightly further away. Near pilot not in the wrong. Ground crew and second aircraft pilot errors, collectively.
@Second Unit Aerials Excellent observations & deductions; saves me from publishing a post!
Even if both aircrafts are in the right position on the ground, they look too close to each other. The design of the helipad seems to have no margin for error.
The first helicopter was pulled out and parked in the wrong place.. it should be parked within the yellow square line..
Rama Murthi And the other fuckhead didn't know how to use his radio to tell him to move over.
Rama Murthi I thought the same conclusion
I would think it is still the responsibility of the landing pilot to maintain proper clearance.
Brad Penrod....serious lack of SA on everybody there.
I noticed the same thing.
Thank you for writing about this under the your Title. Since there’s no sound, it helped put it all together.
People parroting how the ground crew didn't position the first helicopter in such-and-such a way... You are not to supposed to hover-taxi near people/aircraft. The other pilot could have landed at the first pad, she was already there. Instead, she had a lapse in judgement and became fixated on parking closer to the hanger; perhaps focusing on being more "convenient." Once committed to shifting over to that spot, she lost any further attempt at understanding the picture of where she was flying: she was focused on landing perfectly in the spot she choose. With the PIC on the right, her peripheral reference excluded what was going on on the left.
Part of her rationale lies in a statement that she didn't think the other helicopter's rotors were spinning. Jet rangers are about 6 feet wide at the skids (about how far off center the grounded one was.) Do the math: If the pad you choose has less than 3 feet of clearance before your rotors overlap into the next one, why in the heck would you land next to an occupied pad? Without guidance?
Guessing at what really happened means nothing.
This is tough to watch. I can't believe the person that was leaning into the stationary aircraft was able to get up and run away after the collision.
Lots of very lucky people there.
two birds with one bird
Ha ha ha! Underrated comment.
@@EnFuegoDuo hel i think so too.
The landing pilot didn’t wanna have to walk too far to the hanger
Whenever someone's standing next to a helicopter I feel like there's always a chance of a final destination movie type death
The guy standing by the heli was so lucky!
lucky he was standing on the bar or it would of jumped straight on him!
4:20 that man standing in the doorway of the helicopter on the ground is lucky to be alive!
What were they thinking? So avoidable. Sheesh.
Looks like the crew that brought out the heli didn't place it over the center pad, and the pilot didn't catch it either. No shortage of oversight by all party. This happens when compliancy sets in.
63mrl Perfectly observed and stated.
Do you mean complacency? If compliance wasn’t an issue here, this wouldn’t have happened.
Both the one on the ground and the one in the air were negligent! They should have seen they had the one on the ground in the wrong spot and the pilot in the air should have noticed it was shifted to the right also into his space! Fire them all or place them back in a car beat!
Warlywarluts Don't get me wrong, you're right, but you knew what he meant to say as well.
Agreed.... no room for error... but they managed to fuck up a soup sandwich.
Why in the hell would you want to get that close. Two beautiful aircraft destroyed 😭
less distance to push it into the hanger . problem solved .
@@darrelldoran509 He meant the copter coming in. Did she have EYES IN HER HEAD>>>????
Because he was in My spot dammit
Gonna need to hand out a lot of traffic violations now.
"Just pull it out and park it next to that big yellow H"
"What's the H for anyway?"
"No idea, it was already there when I started here".
excuse me officer,have you had anything to drink this evening?
Wow.. The fact they all walked away is amazing..
They pulled the first chopper NOT in the proper position on the danger sign! they were practically in between both signs on the ground! Thus leaving the landing chopper not much leeway! he were perhaps concentrating on the yellow markings instead of blade distances. My observations methinks!
Wolfie D So you crash into a helicopter because it's in your pad? I land helos near other helos turning on the ramp all the time. You always maintain separation. Imagine telling the owner you landed into another chopper, because it was parked in your pad! I have even landed further and waited for the aircraft to depart before relocating to the pad. That pilot landing did not maintain separation. Those two pads are way too small, agreed, but procedures exist for this reason. That landing area should 2 to 3 times bigger.
You are exactly correct. The first helicopter was positioned incorrectly, and the second helicopter landed in the correct zone. It was clearly the ground crews mistake.
Oogie boy wrong, the pilot landing is required to maintain separation from all other aircraft.
You are exactly right. The two dummies should have moved the first one over a little more.
The pilot should never assume that his space is free of FOD theres plenty of room even with the other helicopter positioned wrong the pilot should have been paying attention to his surroundings. He shout have checked that he was clear just like he would do before taxing
The landing chopper had no choice but to land in that exact spot. After the first chopper was pushed out, this collision was UNAVOIDABLE, you know, since there wasn't a huge empty field RIGHT THERE!!!
I think it will buff out.
jon dingee possibly with some good polish it would polish out sure.
Well, I dunno... if you take a closer look, you might see a spot or two where a small patch of plastic, say cut out from a gallon milk jug, might have to be epoxied on and painted over.
Daren Wilson I can't argue with that. I suppose some artistic repair may be needed.
You guys are cracking me up!
Looks like the airborne heli Pilot's fault, to me, for not having good situational awareness. It also looks like the ground crew didn't place their heli in the correct location.
RoboTekno exactly, why bother painting the "Spotting Positions" if they are ignored. These guys wouldn't have lasted long on an aircraft carrier flight deck. Also, why is there no marshalling person on the ground, as used in the navy and the other services.?
And the one who build 2 helipad this close.
That would make 2 faults.... 1+1=2
Why did it take them 5 years to release this video when it just took them 1 second to destroy 2 helicopters?
true ...good question
J V
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I think you answered your own question.
Because they figured the taxpayers would forget about it after 5 years of how much money it just cost the City of Pasadena because they had to spend the taxpayers money to replace the two helicopters because cities can't be without only taxpayers can live without . Absolute power corrupted absolutely
... cause TAX PAYERS paid for FOUR helicopters ... but only have 2.
clearly marked spots for the helicopters .. and they ignore the reason they are there for.. 🙄 🤦♀
The incoming Female Pilot had 16,200 helicopter flight hours and 22 years experience as a pilot there. I have no idea what the average hours are for a very experienced Helicopter pilot, but 16,200 sounds like a lot to me? It almost looks like her Helicopter kept drifting sideways more than she wanted. Not sure why she just didn't stand by where she had almost landed to start with and waited for the other to leave. Just amazing that no one was killed or even received more than minor injuries.
Probably needed to pee.
"drifting more than she wanted" you realize helicopters have directional control ability? Right? Its what enables this thing we call flight. What we see here is simple pilot error. Why make excuses for her, because she's a woman?
You have to be right every time. Experience is no substitute for judgment, either. Trying to show how tight you can park a copter is foolish.
Will B Women drivers...I mean flyers! 🙃
Reminds me of an old joke on an insurance claim form: He was all over the road. I had to swerve several times before I hit him.
Lol
Your insurance form??
catastrophic stupidity. ....somebody's going back to doing security at Wal-Mart! Sorry....unacceptable!
Tony Merlot Walmart? Why saddle them with these turds, let the FBI have them....
"You see, assault is when you threaten somebody with physical harm, and battery is when you make actual contact. Now for a demonstration, we'll have Officer Roy demonstrate."
"Wait, isn't Roy the helicopter pilot?"
*Like a glove.*
The first is badly positioned, the second must be blind.!!!
BOTH are culprits.!!!
What a pair of stooges.
They must be Beavis and Butthead.!!!!
Just because the first one was badly positioned dose not mean the second one can fly into it. She should have known better and not landed until the first one had taken off. She is 100% at fault because she had control and exercised bad judgment by landing so close to the stationary copter.
The first is completely within the TLOF and is, therefore "correctly positioned."
@@Grey_Duck your assertion is Flawed. If the first one is within the TLOF and positioned correctly how dose that rescue the FEMALE pilot of the landing copter from responsibility of a safe landing in VFR condition?
I don't recall saying that it did. I was simply refuting the OP's original suggestion (one that you agreed with) that the first helicopter was incorrectly positioned.
@@Grey_Duck you are absolutely correct Sir, I misconstrued your post. there are 2 parts to this accident you were only referring to the positioning of the first copter and not absolving the second copter pilot from responsibility.
No problem. Just raise the taxes a little bit.
boogerhead0 peace of crack....done ..
California is irresponsible with our tax money. Pasadena, also paid $295,932.00 on a temporary chain link fence to prevent suicide jumpers from leaping off the small historic Pasadena bridge and plans to build a permanent fence for $2M when they could just hire full time security which gives job opportunities to their community which circulates money back into the economy and keeps the bridge in its original historic condition. I’m sure the mayor and the politics get a good “tip” from the construction company building it.
Read the description: No way she gets fired.
She quit before they had the chance to fire her.
She retired.
That man standing beside the left side of the foreground helicopter just barely escaped death, barely missing the lethally detached main rotor blade!
@Flak Jack Ed ... but it appears that it took the top of his hair off all the way to his bare scalp! 4:38 ;-)
Helicopter rage : "You're in my spot !"
Thank you for providing in the video description, the NTSB URL/link.