Why Not to Buy a V6 Car (Inline 4 Cylinder vs V6 Engine)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- V6 engine explained and why not to buy a V6 car, car review with Scotty Kilmer. Inline 4 cylinder engine vs V6 engine, which is better? How V6 engines work, the pros and cons of having one in your car or truck. There are benefits to having a V6 engine, but also a lot of downsides. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 50 years.
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And what about the Inline 6 Cyl engines? I mean yeah they have a few more moving parts than the Inline 4 Cyl but it also creates less vibration at idling and runs smoother too.
inline 6's are good, they're just not common like the 4 cylinder's are now. Most inline cars are 4 cylinder these days, inline 6 is for more specialized cars
Scotty Kilmer with your Celica does it vibrate at idle and go away when you accelerate I have a 94 corolla same engine with that issue I suspect it might be the motor mounts wanted to check with the master first
Scotty Kilmer Next episode why you shouldn't buy a car at all 😂
Scotty Kilmer the Ford Barra engine (Australian built) is probably one of the best 6 cylinder engines ever . Solid block with a turbo and a few mods good for 10's all day
I listened to Scotty. Got myself V8
v12 all day.
@@balsamicvin9935 v69 GANG
Scotty should sob on my Mercedes Benz v8
I get the feeling after seeing your vids, that the only car I should buy is a 25 year old Toyota Celica. Is that correct?
Yep!
I got the feeling after reading your dumb comment that you just like to repeat the same old nonsense thats commented on almost all of his videos.
'93 Tercel is even better.
They say the older toyotas are the best. I had an older celica I still miss that car.
The only logical conclusion 💀
It seems like that Celica has had 239,000 miles for a while
I have never seen that car move
@@luisamoa2500 That's how it saves so much gas.
Scotty also boasts the Celica had 100,000 on its first set of brake pads. Hmmmm , I'm thinking Toyota is made by Aliens.
Actually, my wife has a 2007 Toyota Yaris and it still has 70% of the brake pads left with 185,000 miles on the car. Scotty is just telling the truth.
The 4 cylinder 1.6 liter Yaris runs so smooth with having to replace 1 water pump in the last 12 years. I drive a 2001 Dodge Durango 4.7 liter and I have a stack of auto parts receipts for all the repair work I have done; including replacing an automatic transmission myself. My next vehicle will be a Toyota! LISTEN TO SCOTTY AND HEED HIS WISDOM! Ciao brothers and sisters!
@@thehealer560 the Yaris is a rebadged Mazda...
Or get an Inline 6 like I did for best of both worlds... Bulletproof, smoother than a V6, as easy to work on as a 4, sound incredible and are just different being a dying breed!
Those old 300 inline 6's ford had were pretty strong for pulling in their trucks back in the day. Unless your talking about the inline 6 in the 280 z's? Those 280 z's were a beast in the early to mid 80's, especially the turbos! Ah the good ol' days.
Would that be a Jeep cast iron inline
06-12 bmws have them
up the falcons!
@@DESTRUCTO1617 flat six right ?
Scotty: *Why not to buy a car*
No, because now you can lease it
If you watch all his videos thats the only conclusion you can make.
Lane B So he can have plenty of money to retire comfortably.
Eric Jensen If you retire at age of 60 like normal blue collars thats a joke. Fukikg old and stupid and about to die in next 5-10 years.
Lane B lmfao, best comment ! Very accurate tho
>Look at this inline 4 mustang, it makes 310hp
>Previous videos: "Why don't buy turbocharged cars"
It's all about the compromises you choose to make. They're all compromises. I love my NA V6, I love the sound and hate waiting for a turbo.
Im_Sky ecoboost is pure shit. They should really stop making it. Just offer a v6 and v8
Shahzad Khan I didn’t see any 4 bangers last past 130k Miles and they almost always through a rod as independent repair technician if the v6 was ok design it might make it to 200k ish but by then the automatic transmission was on its way out and rarely did see a v8 have problems except the poorly designed ones and manufactured ones every thing else was the problem Child o most like the engineers planed it that way examples is the radiator didn’t see one past 150k factory installed plastic side tank type and always pretty much ran the engine dry so it was guaranteed to over heat and miss up head gaskets / water pump if you dint catch it fast enough. the highest mileage car I was around got to 400k+ and it wasn’t a 4 cylinder engine. My pre 90s chevy trucks have metal rads and one of them Took over 10 years to get a hole and I still could drive it with out over heating I just had to stop and fill up the water and of course I fixed it but it was on my time not being stuck waiting for parts on the side of the road
Im_Sky you’re not catching me buy a 4 Mustang or a Dodge Charger unless it’s a heavy duty built diesel and I’d still go for the 6 cylinder engine or the v8 as for turbocharging I think most of the bugs have been worked out but once a upon a time with carbs that was setting it for failure and in that reality I’d be a sc or n/a guy realistically I’d be n/a more of the time unless it’s a sports car
Richard Price I can tell the same, I won't buy any 4 cylinder turbo, feels like a downgrade compared to bigger engines like 2L i4 (Honda Accord) or 3.5L V6 (Mustang... I won't buy any v6 mustang either, because v8 rules).
I prefer NA engines all day long.
But when it comes to performance cars, I still prefer NA but, for installing a turbo kit when I want more power, gives more top power and works more efficient (Also, I like the wastegaste sound) than superchargers. (Also superchargers put a bit more stress on the engine than turbo, because drag)
After going from a four cylinder to a V6 Accord, I can only say that, given the choice, I would NEVER go back to a four cylinder, at least in a car of the size and weight class of the Accord. Sorry, but this video is just incorrect on SO many fronts. A V6 is just better in pretty much every way:
1. Power. As if this really needed to be brought up. The V6 just accelerates and climbs hills effortlessly compared to the four cylinder. The four cylinder by comparison just feels like it shouldn’t be in a car that big. It seems like it has to work hard at anything other than cruising on level ground. Also, while the V6 can stay in a given gear, the four cylinder requires a whole lot more shifting to handle such things as passing and climbing hills.
2. Gas mileage. Honestly, I have not seen a difference. Maybe this is due to the fact that the four cylinder Accord was automatic and the V6 a six speed manual. But I can’t see transmission choice amounting to more than a few MPG. But even if the V6 does a little worse on gas with a particular car, it never seems to be more than a few MPG worse. In other words, with a four cylinder, you give up LOTS of power to get a fairly tiny improvement in MPG. Unless you just flat-out don’t care about power, it’s not worth it.
3. NVH. The V6 is naturally a better balanced engine than a four cylinder. Consequently, it is much smoother and quieter. A V6 is also smoother and quieter due to the fact that it has to work a whole lot less hard to propel the car.
4. Reliability. Contrary to what this guy says, I have NOT found four cylinder engines to be reliable. Quite the contrary. The most unreliable engine is an overworked engine - one that has to work REALLY hard just to get a car moving. Sound familiar? Yes, a V6 may have more moving parts. But if these parts are less stressed, they are less likely to fail. It should also be noted that, compared to a four cylinder engine, V6 engines tend to have shorter strokes and longer rods. Both of these factors reduce internal stresses, which improve reliability.
5. Sound. This may be a silly one. But it can be important to many. Let’s face it. A V6 just has a MUCH nicer sound than a four cylinder engine. While the sound of a four cylinder engine is often described as sounding like a sewing machine, a V6 sounds MUCH more musical.
I don't understand the "Shorter Strokes and Longer Rods" idea, Matthew Storm.
I have a 2014 Accord with the four cylinder and I honestly think the power is very good, plus I know tons of people that get over 200k easily with their Camry and Accord with the four cylinder engines, you just need to change the oil on time
Never driven a V6 they probably are better but in Europe almost every car is a 4 cylinder... The speed limit is 50 to 70 km/h in cities most people ignore it and go about 10-20 km faster. That means about 90 km/h absolute max. in most situations. I spend about 90% of the time driving in cities. My small 4 cilinder engine in a shitbox car produces 140 HP top speed about 190 km/h (freeway) and accelerates to 100 km/h in about 8-9 seconds. That's plenty of power and I have no issues going up hill or overtaking. The only time more power is helpful is on the freeway where that huge V6 making 300 horsepower will be able to do a crusing speed of say 160 km/h on very low rev's not stressing the engine. It will be smoother and quiter that way.
Matthew Storm I have a in-line v4 on a mercury mariner I don’t have this problem easily can cruise with or pass up a v6 w/o a hitch
I agree. I've driven both over the years. A 6 cylinder is much more responsive on the freeway and is much safer, in my opinion. I'd rather be able to pass someone when I need to or to get out of a dangerous situation quickly than to save money on gas. I just bought a really nice 2005 Kia Sedona, almost immaculate condition. I haven't driven a V6 in awhile and it is so nice.
Mustang has to have a turbo or supercharger in a 4 cylinder to get 300 hp funny how you didn't mention that part
Gasoline 4cyl (or less) turbo engines are very common in europe because big cubic or high consumption are very heawy taxed in europe and the gas price in europe was always uncomparable higher as in the US...for example , in France the "ecological tax" for a V8 421hp Mustang is 10500€...and 8750€ for the 2.3L turbo ecoboost 317hp Mustang...My own car as 0€ tax, but it's a 3 cylinder 1.2L turbo 110hp , but much more torque as the old Golf GTI...
Thanks for all the great info.and you tell good stories! Thanks.
He does in the actual video he pulled that clip from.
Does it matter
I don't see how a turboed 4 will have less wear and last longer than a NA v6 that puts out the same power. Assuming material and QA is the same, it'll have more wear and shorter lifespan.
Couple things you missed there Scotty.
- You didn't mention I6's at all, which are the smoothest engine design out there. The reason most auto makers use a v6 instead of an I6 is simply because an I6 is too long for the engine bay where a v6 is much more compact.
- That Mustang I4 is turbocharged, so it's awfully unfair to compare it to non-turbo motors.
BMW uses I6 engines and Scotty hates bmw because the dumb electronics they use
The W16 are the smoothest tf
Kcducttaper1 smoothest engine design? Wankel rotary.
Just get a W16.
Erwin Schrödinger that does not seem like a smart thing to do. A tragedy waiting to happen lol
U R BROKE
I'll get a 27 litre V12 Rolls Royce engine from a Spitfire and use that. It won us the battle of Britain it can easily and reliably take me where I need to go.
😂😂😂
I'm a huge fan of 4 cylinders myself! Easier to fix. Easier on gas. Cheaper to fix. And they do usually last a long time. Scotty is completely right about V6's. Harder to fix. Cost more to buy. Cost more to fix. More moving parts, so more things to break.
1. The 4-cylinder Mustang has a turbocharger which you said not to buy.
2. The power output difference between a normally aspirated 4-cylinder and a normally aspirated V6 is huge. Modern V6's make 300 hp and modern inline 4's make around 130-190hp.
3. There are some cars that just need the V6 engine (or bigger) just to get them moving easily. Imagine having a 4-cylinder on a Chevy Suburban.
Casual Gamer they put a 4cyl in the gmc terrain my buddy drives...so slow
TheKodiak72 what company would pay him to encourage a cheaper i4 over a more expensive v6, wouldn't the seller rather have people spending more?
TheKodiak: I have no sponsors for anything I do, the last sponsored video I made was the make engine last video over 4 months ago and it will probably be the last sponsor video I ever do. That stuff doesn't interest me, if you want sponsored videos, go watch the other automotive channels
Casual Gamer he's just trying to give practical advice to people who don't know any better. If your a car guy you don't need to follow every single piece of advice Scotty ever said but that's okay because you should be smart enough to take some risks
Dirty Bong Water Puff, Puff, Pass
Sure an inline 4 is smarter to own, but you'll have to pry the 3.5L V6 in my Camry out of my cold dead hands!
Yeah, that engine is also damn good and makes nice power. It's just Toyota in general that's good, wouldn't go wrong with any of those. Even the V8 pickup trucks.
right, I have v6 3.2 Acura TL more than enough power and smooth ride.
but what about v8s? i have a town car for the highway with 350k miles and runs flawlessly. the v8 has such a smooth power band and i dont even have to push the car.
funny that two of the cars I've been considering buying are in this comment section. the 2009 Acura TL FWD and a 2010-11 camry SE V6 all I know is I'm sure I can't go wrong picking either one. Toyota seems like the smart idea but Acura is nice looking.
Where did i leave that pry bar?
Honestly, my '99 Buick LeSabre has one of the best engines ever made, the 3.8 L V6 (series II). These engines are bulletproof, easy to work on, reliable, and give lots of power with great fuel economy. 205 horsepower and 230 ft-lbs of torque is nothing to scoff at when you're getting 32 mpg on the highway and the car itself weighs around 3,400 lbs. One of the hidden powers of this engine is it's low-reving torque. I just took it from Pennsylvania to North Carolina with two other full-size passengers, a seat full of luggage, and a trunk full of luggage. That low-reving torque is what really let's it haul the weight and still has passing power to spare. I had to come back early because of a hurricane, so this engine made the trip twice within 72 hours without a single problem. Also, having the AC on at full blast didn't effect the fuel economy. Also, it made the over 300 mile trip on a full tank of gas each time with about a quarter tank left over. I will admit though, I do love inline 6 engines too (Volvo 960 and Toyota Supra).
Thought my 4-cylinder Impala was an issue. But, thanks to your video, it's great to know a 4-cylinder is a blessing. Sometimes simple is better.
Basically
I4 Economical and cheap
V6 more comfortable with smoother torque and horsepower curves+33% more horsepower (average)
Well the 4 cylinder with a turbo pretty much beats the V6 in the power game. It's not smooth though, it's more abrupt in power delivery and vibrates quite a bit.
SI0AX sporty turbos are expensive. Granted not quite as much as a v6 but definitely not cheap. Like you said they create a lot of vibrations. Also in older i4 turbo models, they have turbo lag.
yeah ho bout v6 with a turbo. You can put a turbo on anything
how about v6 twin-turbo.
It's an unfair comparison. Should compare it with inline 6
Toyota engines are so indescribable it’s really amazing. We used to HAMMER my buddies 320k mile v6 and it just wouldn’t quit, ran great. The Japanese got it going on
Carlos Villa higher intelligence here people
Yes reaching back for the 3 spark plugs on the far side is such fun. And the openings love to collect liquid and contamination. The timing belt job is usually harder too. Some 4's such as Camry have a chain instead of a belt which is best of all.
I love v6. You get power and save gas...what's more to ask for?
Straight 6
You don’t save gas.
You forgot to mention that the mustang has a turbo on it!!!!! So it doesn’t make 310 hp and over 300 torque from a naturally aspirated engine
The N/A 24-valve 4.6 V8 easily makes those figures.
RJARRRPCGP
I really miss the 4.6 v8 😔
Yeah without that turbo that pos ecoboost makes like 200 hp lol. I don't know how someone like him failed to mention that important detail to those crappy ecoboost engines.
The Conformist I love the Ecoboost
Scott M I would like a v10 ecoboost
Toyota 4 cylinders last forever!!
juan delbosque I got a Toyota 3 cylinder (actually designed by Daihatsu) and it is extremely durable indeed!
Yes they do, I own a 1994 Toyota Corolla I bought new back then it still runs good it has 368,000 miles on it. The car has started to rust out in some areas, the body will rot away and that engine will still be going at this rate.
Yes I dismantled my aunties 1989 2.0 Camry engine in 2013 and it was near perfect, bearings, bores etc were in pretty good cond.
juan delbosque true
No they dont i had a Camry that toy suck and the car just stop working when i was Driving to school explain that? And i was going the speed limit.
This is really dependent on the year of car you want to get. If it's say an older car around 2007 you'll get more power from a v6 than a 4-cylinder car but also slightly less gas mileage. But in the newer more expensive cars they've got 4-cylinder turbo engines with plently power similar to an older V6 250HP engine, or even better. In the case of my 07' honda I bought it's not too bad to maintain.
Glad to hear this said. I've always liked I-4 engines and I have a nice 2.4L Honda inline 4 in my Acura. It's naturally aspirated, has plenty of what we used to call "pickup" for me, and hasn't given me any trouble yet at 5 years and 60k miles. Gas mileage is only decent, but it's a heavy car. But no troubles, no worries.
I always wanted an inline 6, and they're coming back because they can be made on the same assembly lines as inline 4's. But the modern ones are very complicated which kind of defeats the point. Mercedes has a new inline 6 just coming into its model lineup now, but I wouldn't want to have to pay to maintain that. It's a very complex design.
You have taught me so much Scotty especially when i didnt have enough money to take it to a shop. I just want to give you my thanks and appreciation. You don't have to do what you do but you do. Thank you.....and you poppin out the trunk is always hilarious!
Thanks for the support!
You can also check out Chrisfix if you need to do car repairs yourself he awesome. as well as Scotty
Thank you Scotty!!!! I own a 1998 saturn sl2 DOHC 1.9 liter in line 4 clynder with 265,000 miles runs like a champ, I do keep up with maintenance.
Thanks, Scotty. I found your video really helpful in understanding the difference between the two engine types and the benefits and limitations of both.
I am stuck with a v6. I totally agree with this video. V6 engines are harder to maintain. The spark plugs are hidden away under the air intake, the cylinder heads are tilted more prone to leaks and harder to take off for maintenance. Everything is crammed making it harder to work on.
Oh my gawd you dont need to pull the manifold to replace the rear spark plugs on the toyota v6. Thats just something mechanics say to make that "boat payment" as click and clack say...
I like how you glossed over the fact that the mustang has a turbo and that's a whole can of worms in terms of long term reliability. I'll take my V6, have fun with your turbo 4 cylinder turbo lag machine.
Jimmy Penor tuned the the 4 and bye bye 6......😂😂
steven yia Tuned the 6 and bye-bye 4
My 2.0 inline 4 cylinder vw golf 2005 stick shift running so smoothing 270,000 kms on it running like a dream
Over the years most of the vehicles I've owned we're either V8 or I4. I've had a couple V6 cars, and they always cost me more (sometimes significantly) in general maintenance. The V8s we're in trucks and van's, and of course needed they power. But I love 4cyl cars. So much easier to maintain in the modern "runs on plastic" cars.
My only problem with this video is the point where you used the mustang to show that 4cylinder motors make allot of power. On their own this is not true, you failed to say that the mustang has a turbo charger on it. And if you did mention that then that's a whole nother video.
Yeah I agree it's just if someone didn't know the mustang was turbocharged it would mislead them
Yeah he could have mentioned the Honda and Mazda 2.4L that make almost 190hp NA. That's plenty for a normal car and it will climb mountains with authority. I own one. But Honda ditched those motors for a 1.5L Turbo now. No thanks. I am no longer a Honda customer. They have completely lost me.
Kevin Perez I disagree about 4pots not making power
My 2L make 170bhp N/A plenty for a car weighing just over a ton
rccarmadben do you drive a tin can? Lol
dan428 are all cars not just glorified tin cans with easy open lids
My other car is even lighter just 500kg
how can you not mention that the mustang 4 cylinder has a turbo?
Booboo Jenkins it also has problems cracking blocks and head gaskets
cheater lol
Joel Williams very funny about the 101st since that's the 82nd that jumps out of airplanes. The 101st repels out the helicopters believe that's been happening after Vietnam
Booboo Jenkins it has an i4 as a mustang he doesn't need to it's garbage either way
Honda S2000
NA 2.0 L4
250hp
One of the best YT channels online. Thanks for sharing all this knowledge SK!!!! I learn so much in these vids.
The Mustang has a turbo that's the only reason it makes that much power as a 4-cylinder. you not really comparing Apples to Apples and turbo engines don't have the greatest history for reliability cuz of all the Boost and the extra pressure you putting in the cylinders
nothing to due with 4 cylinder: the 4 cyl as only 2.3Litrer cubic...it's possible to produce 300hp with a naturaly aspirated engine such size, but cost much more and as power and torque only in high rpm...
leneanderthalien yes you're right it is but you wouldn't want to drive the car on the the street you'd have to rev it up to like 10,000 RPM like a motorcycle. A 4-cylinder with no turbo that made that much horsepower would have no low-end torque.
Darren Porsch my motorcycle is a liter sportbike, you certainly don't have to rev it to 10k or anywhere close to that. Not gonna lie, it's fun to do it sometimes, but at that rpm, even in first gear, you're already at the "go directly to jail" speed on most roads.
Exactly, 4 cylinders with turbos should not be compared to a NA V6. It's no longer apples to apples. Slap a turbo on that V6 and then come and say that a turbocharged 4 cylinder is better.
Darren Porsch
Well, diesels operate at 20+ psi and work just fine, so engines can be designed to handle extra high pressures and operate reliably.
Amazing that 4 cylinder engine puts out that much HP. My 1990 Honda CRX Si had a 4 cylinder engine, and that was one fun car with a lot of power.
electronicsNmore that crx didn't weigh shit. And it would be a lot more fun with a v6 in it.
Vitamin B It was light, but a rocket.
Well that 4 cylinder in the mustang is definately factory turbo charged is the thing.
Turbos, better electronic management and variable cam timing, but the complexity is my fear for durability, I like simple. KISS💋METHODOLOGY
Franco M The only problem with turbos.....expensive to repair. If under warranty, no problem, otherwise I'd avoid them.
The optional V6 in my car put out an extra 101hp/98ft.lbs over the 4 cylinder. So naturally I went with that 😁
Me to.
Scotty , your tips are great ! I also work on my own cars, and have got a lot of great advice from you ! Keep it up !
I am very happy to find this channel on you tube. Scotty thank you for sharing your knowledge and stories with us. Always looking forward to one of your videos. Thanks from A loyal veiwer from Canada.
Rev up your 4 banger , it's time for Scotty!
The bigger issue these days is all those turbochargers. They'll wear out then you'll have an expensive ass repair on your hand. Just get a V6. No need for a turbo.
Simon Strother forged internals don't wear out... Not even at 400+ hp.
45Mang I've seen plenty of turbo cars where the turbos are giving out after 80k or 100k or less. I don't trust them but considering how every car is using them now, including turbo v6s and v8s I guess I have no choice
Simon Strother when you mentioned 80-100k, that made me cringe. You don't allow a turbo to go on without proper maintenance before 30k. Any tuner and mechanic knows that...
45Mang my Passats V6 has had very little maintenance from 45k to 125k miles. I don't think a turbo engine would be so painless to own. I have a friend whose 2016 4cyl mustang already has issues with the turbo not providing enough boost, requiring another trip to the dealer. Turbos are overrated.
The life of turbos is very dependant on how theyre treated. Not letting them spool down and cool before shutting the engine off for example hinders their life massively. Revving the engine before oil pressure has built up too. Obviously regular oil changes are a must. Unless its a common fault, turbos often last the life of the engine in my experience as a automotive tech
You're the best. Thank you so much for being so informative and to the point. Great sense of humor too!
"They've got plenty of power..."
I guess it all comes down to perspective. I'll drive my bulletproof Acura V6 for another 100k miles :D
I have an inline 5 in my truck. It's pretty good but the MPG is lacking right now. Sometimes I think bigger engines get better MPG simply because they don't have to work as hard to get up to speed or hold speed. Not always true, but I've been impressed with modern V8 engines.
that's true and I think alot don't think that about, similar to the old v6 dodge ram I had I thought I could eek 20mpg out of due to posters in forums, that didn't turn out well lol. Got the same or worse mpg than my current v8 ram due to the v6 having to work harder to move the heavy truck around. Unless somebody has some small manual ford ranger or something I wouldn't ever expect to get super good mpg from a truck
Depends really, 1/1.2/14 litres I4 will struggle doing 70 and drink a lot but the 1.8/2.0 litres have the torque to keep the revs low especially with a turbo which gives you power when you need it but does nothing at low revs. There's a good reason Europe and Japan don't really bother with big engines outside of luxury cars, it's just a waste of fuel especially with modern technology.
My brother's golf is making about 230-250bhp and will easily get 50-60mpg (British gallons mind you, 4.5 litres). We've just come so far that big engines really aren't useful... The Mclaren P1 gets over 30mpg, 30mph in a hypercar is insane
Your so called "trucks" in the states are really just very fat cars with big engines that shit themselfs way to often
Raphael Smithwick Spoken like someone who has never owned one.
Raphael Smithwick What are you talking about?
Well an inline 6 is smoother than both
No it's not. V configurations have imbalanced side to side motions. You won't find a common engine smoother than a bmw inline 6
Mikhail Pozin v12 is technically best configured v style engine, two inline 6’s put together
Jason Yanes
You have two V6 engines mounted together you have a W12 not a V12
An inline 6 is not technically a V shaped block. There's honestly nothing that is as well balanced and easy to take care of than an inline 6. If you take care of it, it'll get 300k plus which is why car companies no longer offer them. The inline 6 was too reliable and lost car companies money because people weren't buying new cars as much.
John Cotter
Jesus I know a straight Six doesn't have a V shaped block, it's straight.
Having owned inline 4 and 5, v6 and v8 cars i have to agree with scotty. More cylinders=more maintenance costs and double problems. Sure they sound nice and have nice torque and hp but the downsides are increased fuel consumption and decreased reliability. And from my own experience i can say that a simple japanese inline 4 will probably outrun any american v8 more than 3 times. American cars have a high comfort to value ratio but very poor price to quality ratio in comparision with the japanese. And then the german wonders. Poor quality and expensive parts and repairs. They are good brand new but total junk after 60k miles really...
Alright hater are tundra has 100,387 miles and it still drives like a brand new tundra
@@Mikeya85 which model year do you have? If you don't mind me asking
@@Mikeya85 hmm, I didn't know the 2014 came with a 6 speed manual!
@@Mikeya85 yeah, when you mentioned the bulletproof 6 speed tranny you had me questioning my self, because I know that the manual transmission was not available any more in the camry from 2012 onwards. That's why I inquired from you 😅
Anyways, as you said it's a bulletproof car.
May it last you forever!
I remember my Dad's 1972 Rambler from American Motors. It had a good in-line engine but a pita to constantly change and adjust the point contacts (along with the condenser). On in-line engines it's easier to change the timing chain and water pump since those are at the front and quite accesible vs transversal engines.
I just rang that bell!!! Thanks for all your help :D
Mr. Kilmer, the comments on some of your videos can be quite hateful, and outright ugly. I'd like to thank you for the great service you've done in making videos like this one. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with people like me.
possibly because he contradicts his own videos, "don't buy 4 cyl, don't buy turbo, don't buy diesel, don't buy this" hell, he might wass well say to you "once you buy a car, you're pretty much up the creek with a mechanic but no paddles between you both"
I'm with Adrian.
Because his videos are mostly BS.
snorman1911 you're an Punk!
Lol somebody doesnt know cars it's alright stick to the suits my man
Always enjoy your vids buddy!!! I really like the history behind the vehicles your discussing!!! Great work my friend
It is amazing the power 4 cylinder engines put out now. I rented a new Fusion in Montana and cruised on the interstate at 85 just like sitting on the living room couch!! Four cylinders of old sounded like they would come apart at 60.
I think direct injection really helps with power and fuel efficiency.
Yeah if you don't make a lot of money stay away from just about anything European
Derek Stewart
for parts coming in to the US, your paying for importation and customs
What about Volkswagens, Volvos, and Saabs?
Hologrampizza
Same thing,but i do actually like the volvos more that any other European car, still can be expensive to fix when they break, i avoid vw and saab like the plague, there is good cars by almost any make but I have just seen too many of them Bury people in repair bills for me to suggest them, but hey if you make good money you can drive whatever you fancy!
Derek Stewart you got that right
Turn your own wrenches, and you can run European cars cheap. RWD Volvos are probably the cheapest cars to run on the planet.
I swear by the Buick 3800 engine. I've seen so many of these reach 300k miles.
GM actually got something right with the 3800.
amen
Shawn McCulley are they still on their ORIGINAL trannys at that age???
Somebody at work mentioned that he saw 15 y/o impalas (most likely 3.8's) hit that mark, but never bothered to ask if it still had an original transmission...
Shawn McCulley ya I have a 2004 Pontiac Grand prix GT with a 3800/3.8L with a little over 800,000 Km
I had a 92 bonneville ssei with 185k on the tranny but only 60k on the motor.
I've got a '97 Escort (bought in 2000) with 160k only changed the clutch and and a 2007 corolla with 180k only changed water pump and alternator. Both run stellar.
When looking at buying a v6 vs 4 cylinder turbo eco boost I did some research. A lot of those eco boost mustangs were carboning up their intake valves because of the direct injection system. I bought the cyclone v6. I’m very happy.
I'll stick with my v8
Isidro Sevier v6 too
I've had V8's for about 14 years now. I recently picked up a couple 2000 Bonneville SSEi's to mess with though. The supercharger sound doesn't get old. I wouldn't say its exactly quick compared to everything that's out there. I know a girl with a 12 sec. Civic. However going from a Caddy with 0-60 in the 13 sec. range to the Bonneville which does it in low 7 sure feels pretty quick. It can only get faster though, the drivable Bonneville is in pretty rough shape. Anxiously waiting for spring so I can start messing with it. I will get my CTS-V someday, stupid bank.
Isidro Sevier you do that. My boosted Hayabusa lotus elise and k20 mr2 are still faster. Lol
V8 uses too much gas.. I think v6 is a good compromise
My gsxr 1000 will smoke your lotus, so will my 550 hp Chevy ss
If you mostly do city driving and commuting, the I4 is fine. However if you frequently use the motorway & interstates, it may be more beneficial to get the V6. The additional power makes for easy passing and smoother running, and the fuel economy penalty is minimal at highway speeds.
Yeah? What's your MPG?
Mine is a V6 i get 28mpg hwy and 19 city hit 145mph once didn't want to push it faster then that jail time for sure if caught
60mpg. I own a plug-in hybrid.
It's not a V6 hybrid, is it?
Just discovered your channel. Great info, delivered with great energy and style!
Awesome video I looking to buy a new car and is really helpful your videos and you made me subscribe looking forward to see more video from you Scotty
If money is a major factor when choosing a car then less cylinders generally means more money in my pockets.
And less hp unless it has a turbo. And they have their own problems.
Yep, but less hp does not bother me. I am not in a rush for anywhere. The majority of the crashes in my country happen because of speeding. So I am just fine taking it easy.
1.0 EcoBoost is amazing
bmw inline 6, best of both worlds, plus sounds great
Technics Guy agree sounds like a machine working together on them v6 BMW inlines
Technics Guy agree I like how they sound and very torqueyyy
Yup. BMW in-line 6 cylinder engines are near perfect.
I like an inline 6, Jaguar's XJ6 was smooth, powerful and just nice all round. My brother had a BMW m3 with an I6 engine and it was just about the nicest car out there, especially for the money
Actually what you want is a Volvo inline 5. Sounds like a baby V10.
As always, great video! I enjoy watching many of them in sequence. Question for you, Scotty: what about Boxer engines? Do they last?
2005 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner DC LD pickup, bought used with camper cover. 180,000 miles. Hasn't needed any repairs to the powertrain whatsoever (just fluids, rubber, and some accessories). Drives smooth and pulls hard. Funnest vehicle I've ever owned.
I had a BMW x3 with a inline 6 and that thing was beautiful. All the power you need and drives really nice. I miss it.
I have one now and it definitely needs more power. 300hp isn't enough. Even tuned with 380, it needs more. This is why I rarely go for anything with less than 8 cylinders. More power is never enough.
I suggest you to try x5 35d with dpf removal and remap healty 400hp and 800Nm will lauch that 2t car from 0-60 in 5.0 sec
Had a 2005 BMW Z4 with the 3.0, even in that tiny car the power just wasn't there. Handled like it was on rails, though, fun as hell to drive. Then again I was used to V8's and modified V6's with forced induction, so perception would be a lot different for me vs somebody who just drives normal cars.
Funny thing, i recently was in the market for a new car. Specifically looking at the 2018 CAMRY SE or XSE. Yeah each one had its own standard features but by in large, the premium price for the V6 XSE camry was simply due to its engine and HP capabilities. I chose the much cheaper (and I mean ~10k cheaper) SE trim which still had most if not all the features I wanted. Better MPG too since I went with the 4-banger at ~206 HP.
Scotty, I basically have that lexus motor in my 07 rav4... 287k miles on the car. It was a hassle pulling the back plugs but it's the best motor I've ever owned! Doesn't miss a beat!
I had an Opel Kapitän when I was young. It was made in 1956 and had a straight line 6 motor and only three gears but it was
lovely to drive. Still miss it today!
thanks Scotty, you bring up some really good points. I just changed spark plugs on my inline 4 cylinder, and it was a piece of cake!! Changed them on my old V6 Mitsubishi and it took me 3 hours+ due to having to remove all the crap to get to them!
murry001 Lol try it on a Ford Triton engine.
Oh dear God I know the feeling. On my 3g eclipse gt it has the most ridiculous spot for 3 of the spark plugs.
I once had to help a friend of mine change the spark plugs on his subaru WRX. Never again lol
Master Rahool let me guess tucked way in the back under the intake manifold just like me GT....soooooo annoying but a fun car
Took me 3 hours to remove them from my 4 cylinder sentra .Had to remove The intake manifold
There is no replacement for displacement
It is not big displacement,but I have had best luck with all the 302 cubic inch,or for the new guys 5.0 Windsor engines.
well there's turbos, superchargers, fuel injection, money.... the list goes on.
that was the saying int he sixties,,,not today
I was just bustn' his balls
+glenn merlini No, it's still the saying today if you want to save cash and give electronic crap a swerve.
My 16 year old GTI VR6 (24v) has been 'bulletproof'! Almost 300K miles on it, with NO mechanical issues whatsoever. I just put full synthetic in it once a year. The engine purrs and has ample torque and HP, and can hit 60 in about 6.3 seconds. Using great gas like Shell Premium has probably kept the valves and cylinders clean as well. Some of these gas additives in premium gasolines do work wonders.
vr6 engine have a more common design elements to a straight 6 than a v6 (uses 2 camshaft instead of 4).
yes the VR6 is not a realy V engine (15° V= one cylinder head): is built like a 6 inline...
damn, that's like a tenth or two faster than family sedans of the same era!!
Bullshit. Maybe an AMG Benz or M Series BMW sedan. Back then, most FWD 'hot hatches' just started to break the 6 second barrier, so for a front heavy six, this kind of performance was quite decent.
AudiophileTubes V6 Grand Prix GTP does 0-60 in 6.2 is FWD and has just over 260hp and that’s consistent for its 2005-2007 models so at most it’s 13 years old. He also probably had work done to his car considering that’s what all people do with those cars because they’re cheap.
Scotty, I have had many fours and many v6s and I never noticed any significant difference in reliability. A four banger (due to its 180 degree crankshaft) has a built-in vertical couple (science talk for the engine bounces up and down when it runs). This makes most cars shake unless they have really fancy motor mounts. This often leads to early mount failure, which can lead to many other problems.
I have a Toyota Camry V6 and i can get to all the pugs without removing the intake. It is as smooth as butter and has 327k miles. runs like a clock.and gets 27 mpg . hard to beat that. The 4cyl. Camrys barely make it up a hill with the a/c running. Just saying sometimes the V6 is worth the extra $$$. Lots more torque.
Propeller Head Any V6 is amazing. You just have to be more sensitive changing all fluids n oils, n the engine will take care of u. Hats off, V6 are best car I ever own, my next car or SUV will also be a V6. And I don't really care how.much it's gonna costs me.
I have a 2010 v6 camry and love that thing. Accelerates quickly and smoothly, and has nearly 70 more hp and 80lbs ft of torque as opposed to the 4 cylinder. Plus with the intake mine came with, it sounds a hell of a lot better at high rpms than a 4 cylinder would.
Propeller Head, I just recently bought a 2000 Camry with V6. any maintenance tips, other than obviously keeoing up on fluids?
I have a 75hp I4, you're talking shit. It'll do 100 and i've even towed a trailer with a ton (1000kg) of grain in it and it'll do 50mpg... No it isn't the fastest or even a good car but the engine is sweet as a nut even though i red line it in most gears
MrcabooseVG What engine is that? Because unless you're talking about a diesel inline 4 (which is a whole different discussion), I'm sure you're lying. A 2010 V6 ford Taurus can only tow half a ton despite having 249hp. Diesel engines are about high torque and low hp so you wouldn't be able to compare the two. Two distinct approaches.
I agree for front wheel drive cars because the engine is sideways and the back 3 spark plug are hard to replace like he says. But for rear while drive V6 cars it's a lot easiers
Turbo 4 cylinders are much more expensive to maintain than a v6. Especially high mileage
Yes. A turbocharger will need replacement at some point.
a turbo hold minimum 200 000km, but if you compare the turbo cost with the "overcost" from the buy from the V6 engine and the overcost from the higher consumption (and the overcost from taxes in europe), you can buy more than 1 turbo...
No, it's not the turbo that needs replacing. It's the stress it causes on the engine itself. The extra pressure on low displacement engine will break down seal far quicker than the lower pressure in larger displacement NA engine. More tear and wear, you start burning oil earlier, engine dies quicker.
That's the problem. Small displacement turbo engine gives you power on paper, but if you actually use that power, the engine tears itself apart. Most people who buys turboed cars intend to use that turbo by flooring it like a teenager. While larger displacement NA cars are more often babied by older people who don't stress the engine as much. Even when they do, the pressure stress of naturally aspirated engine isn't that high.
Buying used car with turbo 4 is a bad idea, not only because of the engine, but also because of the teenager who mercilessly broke it down.
I have a Mercedes 2.3L supercharger, and previously had a Saab 9000 with the 2.0L turbo, both get pretty good gas mileage, and both have been very reliable engines.
I’m proud of my 99 chevy s10 v6 it already reached 270,000 plus miles and it still gets me where I need to go.
What about an in-line 6???
ItG Ma 2jz ftw
inline 6's are good, just not common in cars now, most inline engines are 4 cylinder now
Bmw baby
Subaru’s are reliable and long lasting. Just as long as you don’t think you’re a world rally racer and modify your engine.
doesn't only BMW really bother with I6's anymore these days?
I don't think it is a fair comparison to compare a naturally aspirated V6 to a turbocharged I4, when comparing the two mustangs.
Exactly!
Az of Lamia its a video for skinflits. It sounds rude, but after u own a v6, u stick to it. Unless u can't afford it, an entirely different story
Samuel Wong I find it extremely funny that he picked the i4 and v6 mustang because the i4 costs more than the v6 off the line and gets about the same gas mileage. So I thought it was a bad comparison and with the i4 you're barely making more hp.
Az of Lamia it's history lesson about being cheap
Its fair. The car is still a 4 cylinder even with a turbo. It still cost less and more reliable. The NA v6 still cost more than a TURBO 4 cylinder... put a turbo for the v6 and it may make more but even more expensive now lma
You have taught me soo much Scotty. Greetings from Houston.
That V6 on that Lexus is one sweet engine, I have the same engine on my Camry se, love that V6.
I'll STILL get a V6 engine.
Jacob Witmer V6 is amazing. U don't really care about the horse power, u just drive casually n moves around as smooth as silk
v8 for me fuck shitty sixes
I think it the cheaper drive a four banger I got both four cylinder get mile a gallon better or one third better
10 mile s better or one third
Straight sixes for life. None of than balancing shit found in other configurations and a sturdy fundament for reliable power.
Sir thanks for all your videos, and all the good information that we got here for the REAL world. .. I love muscle cars., but to go from point A to point B there is nothing like an economic and easy to fix vehicle. I understand your message, i live in Fl and car mechanics are charging $90.00 per hour these days.
My old 2010 Equinox I had had 170k on it with no issues. Slow by today’s standards but it was good back then... it was the 2.4 Ecotech. Loved that little SUV. Now I have a 2016 Silverado 5.3 and it’s a great truck.
I enjoy my VQ30 and my J30. Both great engines and fast for the time they were made. I had a 3800 Series 2 and liked it except the intake manifold leak.
The 3400 and 3800 were notorious for that intake manifokd leak.
I know it might sound funny, but my parents own a VW Passat B5 1.9 TDI from 2003, they have this car for 15 years and apart from oil and belt change every season it runs still on factory parts, even tho car has 320.000 KM on the clock.
1.9 diesels are almost indestructible lol. That engine won't break the rest of the car surrounding it will break before the engine starts to go. Those 1.9 diesels were the best engine VW has ever made imo. I have a VW golf with 256,000 miles using the same engine 2003 year too.
Nice but I have seen a 20 years old Lexus LS with over 1 million miles it and still running like new.
Im more of a straight 6 or v8 type of guy my self
If you're happy with your car that's all that counts. Trying to outdo someone else's machines is a loosing expensive battle that never wins. Someone will always have something that outperforms what you have.
Yea that inline 6
waffle stomp cummins for me they are awesome
I wish someone still made a good inline 6. I guess they don't because almost everything is FWD now, they probably have space issues.
Jesse Leonard I can attest to that. My mum leases a Hyundai Elantra, transverse 4 cylinder. Literally can't even get to the serpentine belt easily. Glad she doesn't own it.
Oh man, I didn't know you had a RUclips channel! I instantly subscribed!
That is right. I have never like the v6 due to difficult maintenance and such a hassle. Not like the 4 cyl in line or 6 cyl in line.
Good video Scotty. 😉
Why get a 4 banger when you can double down on a v8
Everyone dont be cheap!!!!!!! Buy a V8
Nameless User haha true thats why people need to stop being cheap.
+ i4 sucks
Gammer ZeusWRB whats faster a super snake or demon?
Then you're not looking in the right place, pretty much everyone I work with drives a vehicle with a V8 engine, and they're all different, Mustangs, Jeeps, Cameros, Chargers, Challengers, etc.
It's Andalon Demon but a 10000h DragStar is faster
Thank you! You helped me with two different cars!
I agree completely - have owned v-8s, i-6s, v-6s, and i-4s. The i-4 is a Honda and it's super !
We have a 2003 Ford Escape with a V6 and even with less than 50k miles it leaks engine oil. So reassuring when you read on line that this is a common problem. Pretty sure if we had the 4 banger it would still be fine and not be a leaker. By the way we took it to the Stealership to see if we needed a new fuel pump because it makes a whine noise and the car was stalling. They quoted $980 to replace the fuel pump. When asked why so much they said they had to drop the gas tank to put it in and the part was $600. In reality the fuel pump door is under the back seat. And we looked on You Tube and found a lady who pointed to a $25 part on the engine that we could replace if it was stalling. That was two years ago and it still runs just fine. We love watching Scotty videos for all the great advice about what to look for and what to look out for.
my mom has a v6 with 240k miles. Thing runs like a top.
Ford....
Mike Andrews it ain't just Ford it's stealership in general.
loud Ring 15 year old car needs to have seals replaced with maintenance
It isn't the v6, Ford simply made a terrible product 15-20 years ago....
to conclude from Scotty's past few videos:
-No Turbo
-No Diesel
-No more than 4 cylinder
-Pick Tokyo
Basically, u shouldnt pick anything over 150hp, and stay boring
Fang-Zhou Jiang only if you want save money 💰
Fang-Zhou Jiang hes putting money into peoples pockets
Ive being owning a v8 bmw for 3 years now and i could say it drains wallets like crazy
Edgar M Same I have a V8 Hummer H2 and a V6 Mitsubishi Eclipse. Guess which one spends most of the time at the mechanic.
Evert Guzman lol i plan on buying a 4cylinder as a daily now and keep the v8 as a weekend
Evert Guzman should've gotten a jeep, those hunmers aren't ment to be anything other than for show
I had a in-line 6cly Australian Ford falcon called a Barra motor named after a barramundi fish . The taxi on dedicated lpg gas used get over a million km as standard . Brilliant motor !
Awesome vid. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all.
According to my automotive professor if the engines were placed on the same car the v6 engines tend to last longer because the parts inside the engine arent getting as worn out as the 4cylinders... Think about it like this theres more workers doing the same job.
Lazy engines last longer.
What about modern 4 bangers which have turbos. They will wear faster then their v6 counterparts
badboy 25 not true if u take care of ur car it will take care of u.. 👍
I just ran into this channel. It shall be followed!
I love Scottie's videos I have a 95 total silica myself with 400000 miles to