What's up with wanting to break horrible things down to a percentage? If 1% is 100,000 kids getting abused or sold, that's a problem. Issues that are this morally deviant have no acceptable level of tolerance.
Here is one thing that's being overlooked or at the very least minimized (so far in the video). Laws often inform out morality/ethics. There are many people out there without solid grounding for what is right or wrong, but look to what is legal or illegal to guide what is acceptable behavior in society. Society will begin to normalize those things and they will no longer be seen as "bad". Cannabis is a great example of this. 30 or 40 years ago a lot more people would have thought of it as a much bigger issue than they do today. It's an indicator of societal drift that it becomes more legal in the states.
you are absolutely right. most people only think something is wrong if its illegal. if someone is immoral, but legal, a huge amount of our population wont even see it as immoral. so if it is legal, more people would see it as acceptable to do
Even though it won't make it go away, I believe that p should still be illegal. Just like making drugs illegal didn't make it go away it still allows for consequences to be levied against it and those consequences will keep some people away who may not have if it were legal.
I like how Alex claims, "Big porn companies DO care about the CP and trafficking issues" as if 1- he knows the hearts of these corporate executives who profit off of sex and degeneracy, and 2- these companies are out organizing and funding studies or investigations into stopping the CP and trafficking problem, rather than just avoiding it from popping up on their own platforms. The more likely assumption is that they care more about money than stopping CP/trafficking, and could care less about those things happening as a result of the industry behind the scenes as long as they limit the number of CP videos getting through their security Which is the better path- allowing men to have quick, easy, unfettered access to sexual gratification and masterbation because "well, CP and trafficking is gonna happen regardless" or regulating/limiting that access to sexual gratification because it can (and logically would) prevent or at least lower the occurrence of CP/trafficking? Even as a utilitarian or consequentialist, that has to be the better path/outcome.
If it is to be legal, I do believe it should be something removed from all public access forums. I'd love to see it illegalized, though. It definitely does not need to be promoted or encouraged as it seems to be.
Yeah after watching Andrew debate Alex, I had made up my mind that there is no point debating Alex, he really doesn't know how to debate or even create good arguments. When he's talking about Sex work increasing due to people coming into the country rather than the obvious result of sex work increasing because its legalized and more people doing it in the country, just demonstrates how pointless this debate is. Props to Rattlesnake for having this debate.
Jake, love your content, but please search scribbr correlation vs causation . Causation implies correlation, but only special cases make the reverse true. For example, sales of ice cream correlates with rate of violent crime, however it's not causal.
At 43 you're talking apples and oranges ,you were saying legalized weed causes more weed smoking and he was saying legalized weed doesn't make non smokers start smoking weed, his point is not relevant to your argument.
Jake, I get the vibe from you that you are a genuine Christian. I could be 100% wrong.. I just want to truly understand (& this may be awkward as you interact with him often enough), though was is your honest take on Andrew Wilson?
Prohibition is the PERFECT example of what banning something does for it. I know you’re Australian so you don’t have the American attitude towards the government trying to ban things and taking your rights away. Look what you people let your government do with your gun rights. And if you think banning something will make it go away or even just lessen it you’re sadly mistaken.
Almost nothing should be banned unless it violates someone’s natural rights. Just because you believe something is immoral doesn’t make it illegal. We don’t want the government determining what you can or can’t do, say, watch, etc. That’s not a function of government nor should it be.
@@turkeyleg201 how many laws are in the books? Do you think there can be no law without government? If you believe that then the brainwashing worked. No victim no crime.
1:40:40 you do realize you’re literally making the same exact argument anti gun people say.. Not surprised to hear it coming from an Australian though tbh.. it’s just crazy to hear that you want to give the Australian *Government* _even more_ authority over the populace than they’ve already given themself.. 😂
@ Freedom.. AKA The 1st amendment.. Give the Government the power to ban poяn and you really think they’ll stop there? No they’ll ban anything they want to.. (this is basically the same exact thing that happened with Australians and their guns and now look at how authoritarian that country has become..)
We ban many things in society, and even have consequences for things we don't allow in our society. Your point is just absurd. We have even gone so far, as to abolish things. So go ahead, and call it authoritarian. I guess not allowing a k(LL(ng spree is authoritarian with your logic. Healthy society shouldn't be overrun by demoralized values. That's how societies fall. It's ok to say no to an evil if it's negative affects are harmful to all humans child or adult.
Had to skip through most of the debate. Watching you say shoulda coulda woulda the whole time was annoying. Critiquing yourself should be kept to yourself... In my opinion. Love yuh Jake. 👍
I agree with Mr. Toprightcorner. I guess your old worldview. I don't personally consume it, I think it is harmful and generally bad for society.. but I don't think it should be banned. I don't want to see any more regulatory authority go to the Fed Bois. I think the answer for that, and many other problems, is getting back to our cultural roots. Having pride in your country and being inspired to be a paragon of Western values. I believe in freedom.. but freedom without morality won't work. If my opinion changes by the end of the debate, I'll throw in an edit.
I think that porn and sex work of all kinds needs to be made illegal. I almost think that dating apps/websites should be made illegal as well. My reasoning would be that its incredibly damaging to society, has no virtues to individuals engaged in it or watching it. Its the definition of giving in to temptation, which is not virtuous. One problem in society is a lack of emotional temperence, including sexual exitment and appropriate approaches to how to handle that. We are living in a base, degenerate, exploititive society, that seems to want to reduce us to our base desires and strip us of our control and autonomy and make us dependant and addicted to some of these services. The consequntial arguments that Alex give are so poor, as he could have sex with his sister and its a victimless crime, doesn't mean it is moral or good for the world. I also think the do no harm principal is extremely flawed and really just an excuse to do what you like to yourself. We are all nodes on a network, and every negative thing we do to ourselves, negatively effects our network. If I become porn addicted, that will almost certainly have a negative impact on my relationship with my mrs and possibly my 3 daughters. It could certainly change my view of women in a negative way. So why risk having such a detremental product available to young and old minds. Theres a reason that we dont give free heroin to everyone (or we shouldn't), even though it will only hurt them in the same technical way.
I 1000% agree with you. unfortunately we can only raise awareness and help educate people so they can reach their own conclusions and become their own advocate. telling people what they can and cant do or can and cant watch will never work and will only anger people and radicalize them against us.
"No thats just an anecdotal argument Jake. I mean I've watched a LOT of p*rn and I've never wanted a sex slave".. Is he trolling? He can't be that dumb.
Yes we should ban adulterous I'm here in America. Infidelity should be put on a forbidden rule. Because if anyone commits infidelity then they should be deported from America for causing infidelity.
That’s literally the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard. You can’t deport someone from a country where they’re a natural citizen just for cheating on their spouse. A quarter of the country would be gone for Christ sake. What country are you going to deport them to, the one where they were born and raised? You sound like some sorry excuse of a butthurt person who was cheated on, so just get over it and get on with your life.
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Porn should be highly regulated and more social studies to show the negative impacts to men.
Negative? 😂😂😂😂haha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@wabbadabdab5473Are you 😂-ing to imply porn is actually positive impact?
No, it'll just open up a black market.
There already is a black market. Also sex trafficking
It's weird for Alex to take a neutral position in an argument, but when Andrew did it, that's bad faith
Using this type of content to help shape my new World view, thank you for the content
What's up with wanting to break horrible things down to a percentage? If 1% is 100,000 kids getting abused or sold, that's a problem. Issues that are this morally deviant have no acceptable level of tolerance.
Here is one thing that's being overlooked or at the very least minimized (so far in the video). Laws often inform out morality/ethics. There are many people out there without solid grounding for what is right or wrong, but look to what is legal or illegal to guide what is acceptable behavior in society. Society will begin to normalize those things and they will no longer be seen as "bad". Cannabis is a great example of this. 30 or 40 years ago a lot more people would have thought of it as a much bigger issue than they do today. It's an indicator of societal drift that it becomes more legal in the states.
you are absolutely right. most people only think something is wrong if its illegal. if someone is immoral, but legal, a huge amount of our population wont even see it as immoral. so if it is legal, more people would see it as acceptable to do
I’ve watched to many videos of Alex doing weird things like side sipping his water… boy that shit pisses me off😂😂
Even though it won't make it go away, I believe that p should still be illegal. Just like making drugs illegal didn't make it go away it still allows for consequences to be levied against it and those consequences will keep some people away who may not have if it were legal.
Looking forward to more rattlesnake debates. This was excellent. Thanks for showing us that you can in fact learn even when your opponent is an ogre
I like how Alex claims, "Big porn companies DO care about the CP and trafficking issues" as if 1- he knows the hearts of these corporate executives who profit off of sex and degeneracy, and 2- these companies are out organizing and funding studies or investigations into stopping the CP and trafficking problem, rather than just avoiding it from popping up on their own platforms. The more likely assumption is that they care more about money than stopping CP/trafficking, and could care less about those things happening as a result of the industry behind the scenes as long as they limit the number of CP videos getting through their security
Which is the better path- allowing men to have quick, easy, unfettered access to sexual gratification and masterbation because "well, CP and trafficking is gonna happen regardless" or regulating/limiting that access to sexual gratification because it can (and logically would) prevent or at least lower the occurrence of CP/trafficking? Even as a utilitarian or consequentialist, that has to be the better path/outcome.
Also, according to his logic, drinking and diving should have gotten worse since it was made illegal.
"more less likely" is one of the worst english phrases I've heard LOL
Defending immortality is very hard.
Make it illegal to charge money for it and it will vanish!
Same .missed the LIVE. Happy new year Jake 🤘
If it is to be legal, I do believe it should be something removed from all public access forums. I'd love to see it illegalized, though. It definitely does not need to be promoted or encouraged as it seems to be.
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Yeah after watching Andrew debate Alex, I had made up my mind that there is no point debating Alex, he really doesn't know how to debate or even create good arguments. When he's talking about Sex work increasing due to people coming into the country rather than the obvious result of sex work increasing because its legalized and more people doing it in the country, just demonstrates how pointless this debate is. Props to Rattlesnake for having this debate.
Missed the stream but glad I found it right after! Merry Christmas, Happy new year!
At least the free ones. Why should I pay not to have it.
For the algorithm
JRS - You should have said to him "If P is not more dangerous than Alcohol, then why isn't Alcohol 'A'" lol
we banned harddrugs remember ,did it disappear ?
Jake, love your content, but please search scribbr correlation vs causation . Causation implies correlation, but only special cases make the reverse true. For example, sales of ice cream correlates with rate of violent crime, however it's not causal.
At 43 you're talking apples and oranges ,you were saying legalized weed causes more weed smoking and he was saying legalized weed doesn't make non smokers start smoking weed, his point is not relevant to your argument.
Jake where do we find your boxing highlights?
Jake, I get the vibe from you that you are a genuine Christian. I could be 100% wrong.. I just want to truly understand (& this may be awkward as you interact with him often enough), though was is your honest take on Andrew Wilson?
👇🏼just one example
No. Law enforcement has enough to do. Banning it would just criminalize it, not stop it.
Prohibition is the PERFECT example of what banning something does for it. I know you’re Australian so you don’t have the American attitude towards the government trying to ban things and taking your rights away. Look what you people let your government do with your gun rights. And if you think banning something will make it go away or even just lessen it you’re sadly mistaken.
Almost nothing should be banned unless it violates someone’s natural rights. Just because you believe something is immoral doesn’t make it illegal. We don’t want the government determining what you can or can’t do, say, watch, etc. That’s not a function of government nor should it be.
Wait, the function of government is not to tell you what you should do? Then why do we have laws?
Libertarians still exist in 2025? Lol
@@turkeyleg201 how many laws are in the books? Do you think there can be no law without government? If you believe that then the brainwashing worked. No victim no crime.
@@bilbusbungledore7222 yes, but they’re outnumbered by billions of mindless sheep.
@@chrisbr1969 what are natural rights? Can you ground them? Can you touch them or see them or smell them? Bad argument dude
Yes
1:40:40 you do realize you’re literally making the same exact argument anti gun people say.. Not surprised to hear it coming from an Australian though tbh.. it’s just crazy to hear that you want to give the Australian *Government* _even more_ authority over the populace than they’ve already given themself.. 😂
not the same. name one benifit of porn.
@ Freedom.. AKA The 1st amendment.. Give the Government the power to ban poяn and you really think they’ll stop there? No they’ll ban anything they want to.. (this is basically the same exact thing that happened with Australians and their guns and now look at how authoritarian that country has become..)
We ban many things in society, and even have consequences for things we don't allow in our society. Your point is just absurd. We have even gone so far, as to abolish things. So go ahead, and call it authoritarian. I guess not allowing a k(LL(ng spree is authoritarian with your logic. Healthy society shouldn't be overrun by demoralized values. That's how societies fall. It's ok to say no to an evil if it's negative affects are harmful to all humans child or adult.
@@ChickenJoe12 how does porn have anything to do with the 1st amendment? i said name one benifit of porn.
No one is for banning you to pleasure yourself. That's not stopping you from doing what you want, technically
Had to skip through most of the debate. Watching you say shoulda coulda woulda the whole time was annoying. Critiquing yourself should be kept to yourself...
In my opinion.
Love yuh Jake. 👍
Adult content creators are more honest/honorable than any news reporter or political pundit.
Porn should be banned from existence. Anyone who says it has lost their minds, and anyone who defends child porn also needs psychological help
I agree with Mr. Toprightcorner. I guess your old worldview. I don't personally consume it, I think it is harmful and generally bad for society.. but I don't think it should be banned. I don't want to see any more regulatory authority go to the Fed Bois. I think the answer for that, and many other problems, is getting back to our cultural roots. Having pride in your country and being inspired to be a paragon of Western values. I believe in freedom.. but freedom without morality won't work. If my opinion changes by the end of the debate, I'll throw in an edit.
It’s only really damaging for the people taking part! It’s not going to stop self gratification for men. 😂😂
I think that porn and sex work of all kinds needs to be made illegal. I almost think that dating apps/websites should be made illegal as well.
My reasoning would be that its incredibly damaging to society, has no virtues to individuals engaged in it or watching it. Its the definition of giving in to temptation, which is not virtuous. One problem in society is a lack of emotional temperence, including sexual exitment and appropriate approaches to how to handle that. We are living in a base, degenerate, exploititive society, that seems to want to reduce us to our base desires and strip us of our control and autonomy and make us dependant and addicted to some of these services.
The consequntial arguments that Alex give are so poor, as he could have sex with his sister and its a victimless crime, doesn't mean it is moral or good for the world. I also think the do no harm principal is extremely flawed and really just an excuse to do what you like to yourself. We are all nodes on a network, and every negative thing we do to ourselves, negatively effects our network.
If I become porn addicted, that will almost certainly have a negative impact on my relationship with my mrs and possibly my 3 daughters. It could certainly change my view of women in a negative way. So why risk having such a detremental product available to young and old minds. Theres a reason that we dont give free heroin to everyone (or we shouldn't), even though it will only hurt them in the same technical way.
I 1000% agree with you. unfortunately we can only raise awareness and help educate people so they can reach their own conclusions and become their own advocate. telling people what they can and cant do or can and cant watch will never work and will only anger people and radicalize them against us.
All porn should be behind a paywall.
11:33 pedantic and not compelling.
Too long. No way watching it
Porn, in video form, needs to be prohibited. It has proven to be to harmful for society.
Everything about this channel is cringe
You really got him there. Great argument!
@ Dude wants people who watch porn ARRESTED. GFY
@@MrHorsesongs05making a point isn’t an argument! 😂😂
Well I'm convinced...
@ Rattlesnake was DEFANGED
"No thats just an anecdotal argument Jake. I mean I've watched a LOT of p*rn and I've never wanted a sex slave"..
Is he trolling? He can't be that dumb.
Yes we should ban adulterous I'm here in America. Infidelity should be put on a forbidden rule. Because if anyone commits infidelity then they should be deported from America for causing infidelity.
That’s literally the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard. You can’t deport someone from a country where they’re a natural citizen just for cheating on their spouse. A quarter of the country would be gone for Christ sake. What country are you going to deport them to, the one where they were born and raised? You sound like some sorry excuse of a butthurt person who was cheated on, so just get over it and get on with your life.