"So that's not Offsides!?🤔" United States vs Uruguay 2024 Copa America Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- The United States of America took on Uruguay on July 1st 2024 in a Copa America group c stage matchup. The only goal scored in the game looked like it was scored by an offside player. But the still stood after review which led to the United States losing to Uruguay by the score of 1-0. Do you think that the refs missed a call completely, was it a clean goal or maybe it was the angle. Let me know your feelings down below?
Top player is offside, but not part of the play. Middle player was kept onside by the USA players leg being extended.
It's very close no doubt but he still looks like he's offsides to me.
he absolutely is part of the play, hes attacking into the box from the left wing, that is position for rebounds or all sorts of stuff
@@W0rldxChampi0n Right, and when its too close to call, the call on the field stands
Dude, im from México 🇲🇽 and you know the RIVALRY between us but that right there was an offside anywhere in the world!
@@MalyDC4LandTravel yes respect to Mexicans world wide. I'd been to a US and Mexico game it was filled a ton of love, everybody's vibed it was beautiful. Anyway, yeah we got robbed I just wanted to see what the community thought. Any thing controversial I'm not far behind😄
That last attacker is not a part of the play, learn the rules. The attacker who scored was on side.
@@L4wr3nc3810 in my opinion he wasn't onsides either...
Jajaj y si sos mechicano no podes opinar 😂😂😂
@@W0rldxChampi0n You didn't get robbed, you just sucked at playing football, and need to blame something for loosing.
So the way the line is drawn in this frame, the last part of the defender (the toe) is in line with the last part of the first attacker (the knee), therefore the first Uruguayan player is onside. The Uruguayan player on the top is offside, however, he does not impact the play at all, therefore that cannot be called as offside. He does not go anywhere near the ball, does not obstruct the keeper or the keeper's vision, nor does he obstruct any defender that may impact the play. So if you look at the decision from this specific frame, then it is the correct call.
However, I don't think the refs used the correct frame. Offside happens at the moment the ball leaves the touch of the passer (in this case the moment the ball is no longer in contact with the head of the Uruguayan). I believe there are one or two more frames after this one in which the ball is stil in contact with the Uruguayan player but the scoring Uruguayan player would have been offside had those frames been used so from this perspective I believe it was the wrong call.
@@andreiglorychild1823 what reasonable reason could they give for missing that call is it bad camera angles in the Kansas City stadium 🤔?
The player at the top does influence play because the keeper has to account for him.
@@joeurban3724 they have to be in active play
@@W0rldxChampi0n No, the camera angles are completely fine. They can't have a straight on camere for these because they would need a camera every 2 metres for that. But the software they use in the VAR room is already synced to the camera angles that we see in the replays so the lines they draw aren't eyeballed, they're mathematically calculated to be perfectly perpendicular.
Also I double checked the rule and it says "The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used" in offside situations. In this case this was the correct call since they used the frame in which the original contact was made with the ball. The Copa America channel jsut posted the live video from the VAR room of the refs making the decision and it shows a few different angles as well. Definitely one of the closest offside calls I've seen in recent memory but for me it was the correct call. I think there's no way for it to be a rigged thing, if they did get it wrong I think it's by a few milimetres which is way too small of a margin.
@@joeurban3724they have to influence the play or block the goalkeeper. To say that he has part on this play shows how little you know about football.
The guy offside was not part of the play so you can eliminate him. The other player was the one who scored and appears to be in line with the US player. It was not a clear offside like everyone is suggesting. Good call imo.
I've seen plays where the guy was even close to the line and called offsides so that guy had a portion of his arm offsides and that wasn't considered offsides.. it's probably fixed.
@@W0rldxChampi0n arms don’t matter when it comes to offside. They only look at parts of your body that you can score with. Learn the rules
@@sportsmathfanhis knee was over
Hes clearly in back of the line, the tip of the USA'S defenders foot is what made him be onside. Now the Uruguayan player to the left of the pitch is offside but he never interferes with the play.
I've seen less than that and more than that be called offsides so why didn't they call it here?
@@W0rldxChampi0n here is onside. In other matches yea happens a lot of things, but here's onside.
he is a part of the play though as the leading attacker into the box behind the line and his position to rebound or scrape up the ball if it gets knocked around. ive seen lw get flagged for offside when a rw player makes a pass on their half of pitch to a cam but 40 yards to the left they get an offside call
@W0rldxChampi0n every reff is different. How i see it is, if the player offside dosent touch or interfere with the golie or play it is not offsides.
COPA doesn't want CONCACAF to do well in this tournament. It's as simple as that. But the worst thing that could happen in sports is that the officials won't call play fairly because of political influence. Everyone in this tournament deserves respect, regardless of how the rest of the world views them.
@@bigbluejays4604 politics ruin everything..
Controversies with Argentina: 🤬😡🤬😠
Controversies with Uruguay: 👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯
Yeah it seems like they don't want to get beaten on the world stage . The influences don't want the United States to catch up to these countries that dedicate all of their resources to their football teams that's what it seems like but I digress.
@@W0rldxChampi0n US lost fair and square. They just suck!
@@ricomajestic Think before you type.
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
he was offside and dont let these people tell you different,
In American football if you line up offsides the whole play is thrown out so how come in the international game if one player is all size and doesn't affect the rest of the play that it doesn't count as all sides it's clearly a flaw and I do appreciate your breakdown.
that other guy didn't touch the ball ... the guy who scored he was not offside .. Its football
@@rahulranjan8173 I'll take your word for is a lot of y'all watch the sport way more than I do. I was always taught to me that on and offsides were dependent on when the ball was touched and if the players maintained the line until the ball was touched. It looks like he had a head start that's all I'm trying to say.
@@W0rldxChampi0n See comments above re: the Uruguayan player who is furthest forward not being involved in the goal, so by the way the new offside rule was written, he cannot be charged with being offside. Also, the position of the players has to be examined at the moment of the start of the play: the instant the ball is kicked. The trouble with this freeze frame is, the ball has already been kicked, so it is not definitive. BTW, even if the U.S. had tied this game, they would have been eliminated. The U.S. disaster in this tourney was losing to Panama. But hats off to Panama, they played hard!
@@W0rldxChampi0n can be tricky but yes, thats basically it. He has to be actively participating in the play or like, directly BLOCKING, just running forward on a side like he´s doing is not enough. Had the player missed and he then gets involved and kicked the goal instread, sure thing, that would have been offside.
If the man up top interferes with the play in any way (he doesn't necessarily have to touch the ball) then he is offside for sure, now if he doesn't interfere then it is a legal goal.
@@camilo-og8fq even the guy that scored looked Offsides tho.....
@@W0rldxChampi0n I don't really see him offside in this video, which is why it's important to use different angles. I didn't even watch the game, but if I judge from this video alone, it seems like it wasn't offside
@@W0rldxChampi0n when he scored it came from the keeper, you cant be offside when it comes from the keeper. it was voted onside because the toe is inline with the knee. the arm is not included in offside rulings.
@@camilo-og8fqyou can see his knee just offsides
The one you point at, he´s not the guy that kicked the ball, nor is he part of the play or influencing it. Its the player below that one that kicked it and he´s on the same line so VAR ruled it correctly.
I thought that offsides was offsides regardless if it influenced that the play or not. I don't understand why the international game doesn't match up to those standards.
It could have been called off-side. That said, the Cup's VAR favored Canada grotesquely and has been insanely and consistently whistling against Chile's squad. It seems the organizers wanted the next World Cup's hosts to perform better than they actually perform.
It should have been cold outside I've seen less be called offsides on the world stage so a lot of inconsistencies it hurts the game.
It's not off side. It only looks that way because your angle gives the illusion to of it being offside. In today age of VAR it is very hard to make a wrong call
I don't care if it's a fingertip, a knuckle, a hand he was offsides and scored. It shouldn't have counted
@@W0rldxChampi0nbutthurt American 😭
This screenshot says nothing about the play... Its just a screenshot where the guy in the back is offside.. but i dont know where the ball is going and if that guy interfered that play... He was never in the line of side for the goalkeeper so thats not the reason he could been offside.. i have to go search on yt for the whole action(goal) i thought i would have found a video when i clcked yours, but its just clickbait i guess
This is not clickbait this is a still image that Telemundo themselves provided during their broadcast to indicate that there were more than one player off sides at the time of the ball being touched.
Definitivamente en USA no saben de fútbol
I know enough to know both of those guys look like they were offsides. I pointed at two guys in the video and said that they both look like they were offsides watch than more than 50 seconds of the video then comment.
@@W0rldxChampi0n No, world champion, they didn't participate in the play. As glennheuts407 points out well: "Its just a screenshot where the guy in the back is offside.. but i dont know where the ball is going and if that guy interfered that play... He was never in the line of side for the goalkeeper so thats not the reason he could been offside.. i have to go search on yt for the whole action(goal) i thought i would have found a video when i clcked yours, but its just clickbait i guess".
Yes, he was outside. & FYI, you are not washing Telemundo 😂
Yeah I was watching an alternate broadcast.
How did this go through as not offside?
I hope the apple pie, and the fire works helped you go thru this thou.
@@davidenatoh359 it didn't lol
This is a useless debate because even if it wasn't offside, USA wasn't gonna go through with a 0-0 tie. They had to win by at least 3 goals.
@@charliealbert4663 that's not the point.
I'm from Canada it's offside up here to bullshit man!
@@louiemarone5774 every where in the world it's offsides...
The line for the Uruguay player is drawn wrong. The line is drawn on the feet when it should be where the knee is sticking out. That looks offside to me.
It is drawn on knee actually!
The line has to be in the last body part of the defender, in this case the foot. Learn the rules please
@@felixuy87 If the knee is bent (which you can clearly see) and he's running forward how could his foot be in front of his knee? Unless his anatomy is different I think they Drew the line wrong.
@@didier_777 the line goes in the DEFENDER !!
I didn't draw the line Telemundo did... And they indicated that it looked like it was two people outside one for sure but the other one was super super close and looked off sides to me.
I don't think that is the play Uruguay scored on. Because they scored in the 66th minute of play. Not the 83rd minute, I wanted to see the play in action, but it's just a picture still you have.
@@MrNitro071 it's called instant replay...
HIS TOE!!!!!!!! HIS LEFT TOE IS OFF SIDE. THAT IS A PLAYABLE PART! YOU ARE NOT A REFEREE
Listen feel how you feel I still think that he was offsides the guy that scored and the guy that was not a part of the play were both offsides in my opinion.
Need to see the passage of play, looks it from there. This is football though its a nightmare at times. I support a scottish team and we get shafted constantly
With all the money available, how come there's not a solid worldwide global system for plays like this so there's no controversy that comes behind it?
@W0rldxChampi0n the beauty of football has been destroyed by technology - there were humans that made decisions sometimes wrong ones and sometimes right ones, sometimes it went for you and / or against you. Fans would argue about these decisions for years to come, and they become folklore. That was part of the charm, and now it's gone. Apart from goal line technology, I'd get rid of the rest of the technology. This situation is worse , we have technology that isn't being used correctly, and that is worse than not having it in the first place.
It’s miles offside, and I’m English- not biased either way
@@GIBBO4182 I thought that this was obvious but clearly it's not
we had the opposite in the premier league last season liverpool vs spurs, said it was offside when he was miles onside lol just incompetent people on VAR
I don't know if this is a scandal or not but I know that officials have been compromised in the past so I wouldn't put it past this situation at all.
This is a good goal just saw it... The guy "offside" is not important in this play... Good goal...
What happens when the guy that actually scored looks like he was offsides too?
Instead of assuming it is offside or not why the US will not invest on the most advance VAR technology you can buy. That camera and that angle is way too subjective to be use. You can be correct in this Frame but what about the frame use in Europe and the EPL it can look a whole different angle and it’s probably more on side than you think
That image was from Telemundo they stopped it at the exact point where the ball was touched and both players look like they were offsides. I didn't mess with any footage I just took what they showed me and showed you guys.
You could be correct but it’s hard to determine because the lack of resources in Copa America. If the pitch ref will call it offside and VAR agrees with it. I don’t see anything wrong with that
The player you are pointing to at the top of the screen is not who scored the goal. The second Uruguayan player on the line is not offside.
I've seen players be directly on the line and be called offsides so how's that fair at all?
Its offside 100% anyone can see that var needs to be regulated better with people that knows the game
@@darrenoreilly825 the corruption seems like it's clear
You just have to look for the player which make the goal… its not off side
@@andresdolabdjian8928 a portion of his body was offsides...
Your video and lines drawn aren't very clear, but I did watch the game and in my opinion Olivera looked miles offside.
@@infonotfound7630 yeah he looked off sides and I don't understand how they have that technology with all those cameras in that stadium and still missed the call in my opinion.
@W0rldxChampi0n me neither to be honest from that angle it was a clear offside, maybe theres more angles and analyses somewhere, I'll have to look it up (I'm not a USA fan, nor am i from the US if anyone's wondering), but we've seen incidents like this happen with VAR a lot this season like Liverpool vs Tottenham for example.
@@infonotfound7630 yeah rules and technicalities all that stuff leads to videos like this because it clearly looks one way but it's said to be me the other.
So many terrible calls in this game. Calls that don’t even make football sense. This guy has a history on corruption & receiving gifts from teams who then received soft PK calls in the future, they knew this & still let him ref. He also refused to shake Pulisics hand.
@@theflyryguyschannel9729 yeah very disgusting and corrupt.
It's not offside because the person serving the buffet was establishing his alibi at second to last from the court case that made the US President support the UN from vetoing the resolution made in August of last year and the President of Saudi Arabia just ignored the fact that...🗣️🗣️🗣️IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WAS AN OFFSIDE. TEAM USA IS SHITE ANYWAY 😂
0:46- el jugador que señalas allí no participa, o no incide,en la jugada, la controversia podría surgir del que sí patea al arco. De ahí en adelante es lo que decide el VAR
And images I saw both the player at the top and the player that scored both look like they were simultaneously offsides. Even if it's by hair or foot or finger it's still offsides in my opinion.
@@W0rldxChampi0n Desde mi punto de vista no, la posición del que patea y hace el gol es discutible. Y tanto si se anulaba el gol como si no, habría generado polémica igual. Pero sí perjudicaba más a EEUU, aunque tampoco sé, porque EEUU ya estaba eliminado al perder contra Panamá.
Pero este tipo de situaciones siempre generan problemas. La única manera es hacer un gol claro, y que no deje lugar a dudas, pero eso no siempre se logra.
También me pregunto ¿Y en qué beneficia a Uruguay?, si Uruguay tendrá que jugar contra los 3 mejores equipos, y a ganar o morir: contra Brasil, Colombia, y Argentina. Uruguay nunca es beneficiado por los arbitrajes
Dude. The only player that could be offside, does not score, and does not participate directly in the goal, plus, technically, the goalie is passing the ball to the forward Uruguay player (with his amateur push of the ball) the one that most definitely is NOT, offside giving him full permission to score. It's a legal goal. Sucks! But it's a legal goal.
What happens when the guy that actually scored look like he was Offsides too what happens then?
Yes is not offside, because government dont even care about the sport only focus on politics instead what went wrong.
What is the government got to do with the referee missing two guys that were offsides?
Offside or not USA would have lost either way so idk why ppl are still arguing over this
You don't know that to be a fact that game was going to be tied going into extra time. It could have came down to PK's.
@@W0rldxChampi0n they would have been no penalty kicks for this game as it was a group stage game, its decided by points, if tied its decided by Goal difference(GD).
wich was a posibility, taking panama result into account (they ended at +1 GD), usa needed to win by at least 2 goals and finishing tied with panama and uruguay and with a GD of +2.
You know nothing my friend, the blue shirt on the top was never part of the play therefore it doesn't matter if he's offsides
@@Busterbrown3443 the guy that scored the goal questionably was offsides too. I said both guys look like they were offsides. If you can't handle somebody's difference of opinions then this isn't the video for you.
the player that scored was not offside, the player that was offside was not part of the play
They were both outside in my opinion.
No system is perfect and can always be manipulated to obtain the desired outcome.
Which probably explains why soccer is not the USA top sport because of the corruption. Then again basketball and baseball have had their questionable moments but still not on the world stage like this..
No, if its on the same line it is legal, Off-Side is over that line, an inch over that line would be Off, but this case the attacker is on that line not off, so its still legal.
Go check the official VAR replay of this play, the whole shoe of the U.S defender si part of the player, the line is at the tip of that, same as Oliveras knee, same line, is legal
In my opinion they got it wrong
there is no way you can take an image like this and tell without any reasonable doubt that this is the moment the ball was touched. Then you have to add the error in the position of the line which it's not granted that is at the tip of McKennie's toe and indeed it seems to be a bit too much ON the foot, with some part of the boot that seems to be in the space between the two lines. Then the 3D bodies are projected on the 2D surface of the TV image which makes it extremely difficult to define their real position in space as they run on a diagonal path. There are simply too many variables and for sure the lack of a precise timestamp with the ball being played isn't helping. It takes 1cs of time and Olivera's knee is not past the line. It's an extremely complicated decision to make and honestly I don't think anyone can really say it was 100% onside/offside.
@@giuseppe1926 but how can they get it wrong I've seen outside called with finger tips past the last guy though lol
Regardless of what your opinion is, we were in this position because Weah decided to betray his own team by getting himself expulsed in that game with Panama and letting his team lose. As coach I would ban him from playing until my contract expires because nobody who has faith in American Football ⚽️ would do that to their team. Our people are also at fault, maybe instead of focusing on Football 🏈 or Baseball (sports that the world doesnt really care that much about) we should actually try to generate young talent and beat the Rest of the world at their own game. How can we claim to be the best country in the world yet get our shit pushed in by any starving third world country in the most important sport in the world. USMNT needs to get their shit together Damn it
We're not talking about Weah ,we're talking about a goal in my opinion that shouldn't have counted.
@W0rldxChampi0n ok then I agree, the ref also took out a yellow and then gave advantage, the ref was bad.
depends the position the moment kick the ball
Yeah it's ridiculous how it just depends on where the ball is and not the whole line of players and their positionings.
Conmebol is shady af
Something doesn't feel right about it but like I said I'm going to watch some fireworks and eat some apple pie and get over it.
If they are in line with the last defender, then it is onside. I looked up the rules so trust me.
Nice
@@Nickh4929 it's from the moment of the ball is touched, if they're on sides or not.. that's wild if that's true to the rules...
It was not offside. The guy un the upper side not even touch the ball and the guy that scored was not in offside.
They were both offsides.
@@W0rldxChampi0n the guy on top is on offside. But he does not take part on that play so he does not count. The one that scores you could argue it was on offside or not. It was a thin call, but it would be ridiculous to call an offside just for the guy in top.
Even if it was an offside it would not have affected the outcome
Move on!
Nope I'm going to point out every single time I can when there's any inconsistencies . Especially when it comes to the men's national soccer team.
soy de Perú, los uruguayos también nos chorearon así... :(
You know I have nothing against uruguayans I love their passion but this was offsides two players were offsides.
Not offside ruclips.net/video/bNFSi_NK4V0/видео.htmlsi=KQumSBGmWA9GC9RH
Dejen de llorar que con el empate no les daba
Arriba Uruguay
It wouldn't have mattered if we have won the game anyway because of the point differential. I just don't like how when the shoes on the other foot and it's a close play with the United States it's going to go it's always cold against them. No one's crying here I had a great Fourth of July my national team losing the game wrapped in controversy didn't ruin my day.
Not offside because he did not interfere with play..
@@craik7 but his body was halfway beyond the last player before the ball was completely touched....
@@W0rldxChampi0nim not american and dont really care about the copa america but the guy you are saying is offside doesnt interfere with play so he is not offside although i do think they (quite clearly) stopped it in the wrong frame as the ball isnt even close to leaving his head at that point so i think the guy who scored was off but its a tough call
@@mfs286 a portion of his arm looks offsides
@@W0rldxChampi0narm doesnt count
@@W0rldxChampi0nDelete ur video
It's offside
It definitely is
It's all fixed
It's not like the US was going to advance anyway but still...
Wheres the ball?
@@coreygavin9134 I'm assuming the ball is going off the head of one of the Uruguay players. At the moment of the freeze frame.
@@W0rldxChampi0n i hear people saying offside but i cant find any proof
Panama won so it doesn't count so much
That's true Panama winning by how much they did would have eliminated us anyway. But he was still offsides..
The officials in this game were totally pro Uruguay period!!!
@@ctfernraider1 seems that way.
Excuses
@@W0rldxChampi0n also Tim Weah’s red card negatively impacted the mood of the US the rest of the tournament in my opinion.
No offside, he didn't get the ball and was not involved in the play or goal
But the guy that scored the goal look like he was offsides too..
I don't care if it's by a hair the guy that scored was offsides too...
Not enough evidence to disallowed the goal in that case
Keep on crying that was not offside but You will never understand why, cause you wan´t
@@DanielPeter08 it's people like you that make content like this happen... congratulations you're playing yourself. I still think it's offsides and Telemundo look like they agree with me.