Ana Kasparian on Jordan Peterson
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2018
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Book Snake a difference of beliefs I suppose. Ana would, if enough people who watch this speak up and are interested in such a discussion happen. She'll need time to do thorough research.
Book Snake I think the word rebirth or 'mind blowing' would be the equivalent. It would be a highly watched discussion on YT.
Peterson was NOT protesting the protection of Trans people - he was protesting compelled speech. The Canadian Gov was telling people what they HAD TO SAY.
Ana, if you are going to focus on someone then please be more accurate.
Have you actually read that law - I think you have misunderstood it if that is what you think. Genuinely, I am not attacking you, but please do take the time to read it, I think you might see it differently than it has been portrayed.
Thank you for your polite reply - that is getting to be rare today. The point I was trying to raise is that JP is being misquoted and it's happening more and more. When Ana opened her argument I felt that she completely left that part out. If she is going to critique someone then I feel that she should be as accurate as possible.
Because you were polite to me I am NOT going to Google the correct answer (in fact I kind of hate that approach) but I have read through the bill C16. Is that the one you are referencing? I am NOT from Canada so I just glanced through it. However, I have come to be a real fan of JP because I worked as a psychologist for 14 yrs. I am a fan of his common sense approach and emphasis on people controlling their feelings rather than letting feelings guide us.
I seem to remember JP bringing up the point of being put in jail for NOT using the proper pronouns. A lawyer countered "No you will receive a fine" to which JP replied "What happens if I do not ever pay the fine?" and that point was NEVER addressed again.
I will be real honest - since I am NOT from Canada I have not dug into these bills but I have become a real fan of JP. Seriously Thomas - the media is flat out lying about him and attempting to assasinate his character. Unless there is a HUGe amount of speech that I have not heard from him (and I have looked) - then this seems to be a work to discredit him as a psychologist.
@@carlford5287
There are NO laws in Canada that compel speech, they only restrict speech, and these laws are contained in the criminal code and human rights act, not bill C16.
I wish you people would do your research instead of just believing all the BS that Peterson spoon feeds you...
This is a blatant lie. C-16 only added gay and trans people to the protected class charter so that anyone who murdered a trans person could be charged with a hate crime, which wasn’t possible before. There was nothing in the bill about any kind of speech, let alone compelled speech.
Peterson doesn’t say “all” leftists want equality of outcome. He says “ignorant” leftists want equality of outcome.
The ones who have been increasing in power are the ones who want equality of outcome. Basically the socialists or communists.
Peterson would easily destroy any subject anna could make. She's way out of her league if she wants to call him out
@@comfortsmma is she your wife or something?
I am a millennial, feminist, and a woman of color from NYC. I fully support Jordan Peterson. Sorry Ana, you are pinning the wrong guy here. Y'all should check out Peterson's RUclips lectures, it changed my life for the better.
gaya iyer agreed
He’s awesome !! And I’m a liberal! But he’s so practical, you can’t even really argue with the guy
Clean your room Ana.
ajajajaja
I don't think Ana Kasparin has actually "followed" Jordan very well. A lack of understanding on her part is a massive understatement. 🤦🏾♂️
Peterson would DESTROY Kasparian in a debate/interview.
@Rakeshff Maybe. He'd still destroy Kasparian in a debate though 🤣
That wouldn’t even be fair
OMG what a bunch of misogynists...
Thats no even fair
High school kid would
Okay so the issue with this is that Jordan is actually a classical liberal, Understand you're young and know a campus environment... BUT I'm younger and just came out of highschool and am in college, kids these days really do think full socialism works. He's not mischaracterizing the radical left.
1. He is against having a law compelling speech, nothing really to do with gender pronouns.
2. He didn't write a book for Men. it was for everyone. More Men may be interested, but the book certainly wasn't just for Men.
3. Happy to hear you say you love Capitalism and are just against crony capitalism (which is really the only reason I voted for Bernie, although I won't next time around). I couldn't agree more on that. I'm finding more and more progressives that think marxism is an ideology that can work in the US which is the most multi cultured in the world (and that has NOTHING to do with race). There also isn't any proof that marxism or communism works.
He didn't compare women to money. You did.
He didn't compare women to money directly, and she admitted that. Pay more attention?
@@socrattt When did she admit that? I just watched the video again, keeping in mind your suggestion. Give me a time stamp and I'll admit that I'm wrong, but I think you're imagining things. She implied that Peterson compared women to money in order to paint him as a misogynist. And just say "Pay more attention". Don't put a question mark after it like a snarky baby dick. Cheers, mate.
Ana totally misses Jordan’s point-he says that “radical leftists” believe in equality of outcome, not liberals. He does believe in equality of opportunity-and has stated so many times.
It’s easy to tear apart someones argument if you misinterpret what they’re saying.
No, she gets his point. She disagrees with it. Peterson makes idiotic claims about what the "left" believes and ascribes imaginary positions to the "left" that we do not actually hold
@@christheghostwriter In what she says she demonstrably misunderstood Peterson.
Also, Idiotic was your conclusion and not Peterson’s claims.
Having access to higher education based on SAT is equality of opportunity.
Being at a disadvantage because I am Asian compared to my African American colleague, who is asked for 110 points less to be able to enter university. before me/when I failed with a higher score tries to ensure equality of outcome, which the left wants (and not only the radical left btw). Peterson is just pointing out two things: that you cannot ensure both equality of opportunity and of outcome because they are mutually exclusive, and 2, that ensuring equality of outcome is never a good idea. The reason she disagrees with this is because she is misinformed.
Ana fails to mention that Jordan has said repeatedly that he has no problem respecting the wishes of the person who wants to be addressed by a certain pronoun. He just doesn't believe the compulsion should come from the government. This is not racist or bigoted.
I’m an empowered, wealthy, educated man, 32, with a wife and two children and I run my own business. Listening to Jordan Peterson has changed my life form a psychological perspective. My sister listens to him all the time and so does my wife. I know many people who don’t fit into the category disempower of angry white men who are Peterson fans. My father is a South American immigrant and he loves Peterson too. The narrative that Peterson’s audience is resonating only with disenfranchised white men is tots BS.
Calero Calero go figure something the young turks says is BS.
exactly... white woman here :) It's time to recognize that we are all in this together and we have to find a way to grow up and discuss things and you can't do that unless freedom of speech is sacrosanct.
When he said "the radical left" I belive he was referring to a faction of the left and not making a broad label of the entire left.
How about an interview with Dr. Jordan Peterson? You can layout your thoughts and discuss them.
That would be a massacre
@@robertvalli2238
Do you really think so?
Some others have tried and failed miserably.
She would be destroyed. Peterson is has more smarts in his goatee than Ana has in her whole small brain.
@@Dropsy517 Sure, sure, I particularly like his work on how college campuses are full of men who aren’t getting laid and this will one day be bad for children.
I listen to jp, as a woman, and when I saw him speak several months ago, there were plenty of women. PLENTY. Take responsibility. Is that such an outrageous message? Because that's his core message. Gtfo if you can't handle it. Papa bless Jordan.
It 100% is too leftist because their whole central idea is that the reason people aren’t making it in this world is because the game is rigged and there’s race schism and if you start to talk about responsibility then their whole narrative falls apart and they can’t have that
Yes, the left is 100% against the take responsibility message, that would bury the whole party from the kkk to Affirmative action, everything they do is a train wreck, some literal some not.
I'm a 25 yr old female and I'm open-minded, loving, and accepting of all. I love Peterson! His work has done so much for me. My father passed away and Peterson is like the dad I never had. If people really listened to him they would learn what so many thousands of others have learned from him.
Well at least she didn't just call him a racist and a transphobe.
So shes doing a lot better than most of his critics
Personally, I don't think Peterson is either of those, but he sure is an enabler of it. You know the saying "Not all Trump supporters are racicsts but almost all racists are Trump supporters?". Same logic could be applied for Peterson and his supporters of transphobes/racists.
Jordan Peterson is more intelligent than all of TYT combined.
She says she doesn’t agree with Jordan’s views on transgender people. He’s said multiple times that he doesn’t have an issue with a person being transgender. He’s even said he WOULD refer to students by their preferred pronouns. His problem is with government enforced speech. Meaning he can be legally punished for not using the language the government says he has to use. So what part of his views about transgendered people does she not agree with? This whole video is ridiculous.
How about you invite JP on your show? It would be better than arguing with a straw man.
Jordan Peterson is a fraud. He has been invited on many left-wing shows for debate. He declines and lies about it, just like Dave Rubin did, and most people on the right. They're FRAUDS. Just like Trump. Jordan Peterson is not interested in getting exposed and getting his money supply and fame cut off.
No he's not. Are you eating glue again? Stop it.
No, just very well informed; thank you for your concern.
No you're not
What "left-wing shows" has JBP been invited to that he's declined?
The dislikes shows how despicable TYT is.
Absolutely. Listening to their garbage hurts my brain knowing that so many people take their videos as being truthful.
MrBrad4021 you right. Lotta dummies believe them.
that lady seems very jealous of Dr. Peterson success
depends on how you would define success
success also has its price
sounds familiar?
"Jordan Peterson was an unknown psychologist" again, no just because you and Americans didn't know him doesn't make him unknown. He was a regular on state media in Canada for years
So previously only known in Canada, now known in the world. Way to prove something, I guess.
I'm canadian and, like most canadians, never heard of him until this scandal blew up. When it did, though, I had the pleasure of catching up on his cringy "state media" appearances waxing poetic about how hard it is for le gentlesirs to get laid while wearing a fedora.
yes I'm canadian and i've never heard of him either. doesn't change what i said.
So your complaint was he wasn't previously unknown, he was just previously unknown in american, Canada, and everywhere else?
if you know the definition of the word ''unknown'' you won't have to ask.
You are arguing against the point he didn't make he was simply stating with the equality of outcomes as an example of when the left goes too far he was not saying it was true for all left wing ideology
he said “the ignorant left” meaning the ignorant portion of the left, not meaning that the entire left is ignorant. So he wasn’t saying that the entire left wants equality of outcome, just the ignorant portion of the left.
Edit: Also Jordan Peterson says all the time that the left is important because it seeks to make sure masses of people don’t get stuck at the bottom of hierarchies and destabilize society. So him wanting monogamy so that masses of involuntary celibates don’t get stuck at the bottom of the hierarchy and destabilize society makes perfect sense.
Broadstreet Flyers95 He never said that minorities aren’t discriminated against and he strongly supports equality of opportunity, meaning blacks, whites, asians, men, women, etc. should all be given the same opportunity for success. He is just against enforcing equality of outcome because, while there is a lot of discrimination that happens, there are also many other reasons why people end up in different jobs with different salaries, which vary person to person. Therefore, it would be extremely dangerous to try to force equality of outcome for any reason but especially on the basis of an oppressor vs oppressed narrative because (ironically) that’s how we end up with extremely oppressive societies like the Soviet Union or Mao’s China which killed 100s of millions of people in the 20th century.
I do get pissed off though when corporations don’t let employees wear their hair certain ways (unless it’s a safety hazard if their is heavy machinery and stuff it could get caught in) or have tattoos and stuff like that, but i’m not entirely sure if the corporations are to blame. They’re just think it’ll hurt their profits. For example if a grocery store has a dude with cool hair and a bunch of tattoos checking people out, there might be (as stupid as it is) a lot of older people who get rubbed the wrong way by this and next time they might decide to go to a different store which doesn’t hire people that look like that. I don’t think this will last though because the culture changes from generation to generation and I think people from younger generations are generally more excepting of tattoos and unique hairdos. So when the older generation gets replaced i’d bet that corporations stop discriminating based on hairdos and tattoos.
Clothes on the other hand don’t seem too relevant because most jobs make you wear a uniform anyway.
An Armenian woman, working in a program called ''The young Turks'' what else is there to add....
😂😂😂
"I actually love capitalism!" Yeah.... Whatever you say.
Just another example of how women make decisions based on emotion
Corrections: 1) Peterson wasn't unknown til a few years ago, he's been posting lectures online since 2013. 2) Peterson was not worried about the implications of C-16 for his own sake, he was worried for everyone's sake. 3) Peterson is not right-wing and is not celebrated only on the right. 4) Equity is a highly flawed and impossible ideal that most of the left DOES want and ARE pushing for. Equality (of opportunity) gets shat all over by leftists as ineffective. 5) Enforced monogamy does not mean holding a gun to a woman's head forcing her to mate with a man.
It is shocking how many people willingly misrepresent this man. Please argue this nonsense not for Peterson's sake but for the sake of truth itself. We're losing our grip on empirical, fact-based truth.
I don't think the trolls in this section are looking for actual facts and onfo on the man, they're just here to hate and hear themselves cry and wine about nothing
Ana you’re missing one important thing. Peterson is referring to the RADICAL left. Which would include radical feminism, for sure. Radical feminism will cost Bernie the election.
Mauritius Dunfagel its ignorance and the bias corrupt media that will cost bernie the election.
Ana.. You used the same Statistics from Tucker Carlsons 'Men in America' special. Which you guys laughed off and and started calling him all sorts of things. Whats wrong with you? Seriously.. get help all of ya turks. No wonder your losing hundreds of subs a day, even your followers are noticing youre nothing but hate filled people. Thats why advertisers are dropping you as well.
TYT - Bring him on your show. Debate him on his arguments.
They don’t have the balls
Casey Douglas given his track record of humiliating sjw's its a bad move and would only make him more famous which would infiriate them.
One correction: He didn’t write a book for failing men, he wrote a book for failing people
said a random viewer...
Future Hindsight lol no that's not true
Future Hindsight - Go see him on tour and tell that to the 40% female crowd.
@@e99fuy0ng provide a source for that claim. I'm calling you on that. I would be surprised if it was 5% female.
@@jordanbetteridge1598 why does it matter? Does the demographic that gets the most from him change who it's for? No, I don't think so.
Gross. What a disgustingly misleading video.
Debate him. I double-dog dare you.
Ana... he didn't say 'the left'. He said 'the far left'.
PtolemyauletesXII 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
In this video:
Anna doesn't understand womens' biological imperative of hypergamy.
To be fair, I didn't understand it either until my divorce at age 45.
What makes you believe a women has that biological imperative?
Watching her spout opinions on the thinking of Dr. Peterson is like watching a pre schooler give an opinion on microbiology, it’s cute at best, but ultimately fails to grasp anything. The same smug stances she uses to try to point out hypocrisy in Peterson’s words can be turned around on her in the video she made about Gavin McInnis. I wish she had anything but mindless opinions and narrow narratives to share.
She just twisted his words
It’s what she does.
You should invite him on your show, open-minded Kasparian. I'm sure you'd do fine. Just like during the election night, you know, when you showed everyone how open-minded and great a thinker you were...
Misrepresenting someone's views + attaching him to the right with no context: A Young Turks special.
It's easy to criticize someone when they have no chance to respond to your false claims. I would like to watch how well she will be able to debate with Peterson face to face.
Jordan litearly saves lives by teaching people to heal and grow, no matter what you label him that is a fact
Jordan literally empowers far right wingers by advocating for removing feminism from society, no matter what you label him that is a fact.
Removing them society? Are you for real....
@@Sawdust5764 Yes I am, he has extremely anti-feminist views, such as trying to equate it with "post modern neo marxism" (His boogeyman) and advocates for defunding women's studies
You're idea of feminism and his vary, he has no issues with equality for women on all levels and is vocal about that
@@Sawdust5764 Not entirely. He doesn't believe in equality in terms of social justice for instance.
Within 40 seconds you said things that weren’t accurate.
He's not successful because he appeals to men who are economically dispossessed. He appeals to people of all types who are searching for meaning in their lives. It goes way beyond money.
Tim Horton Says a lot about how far we've fallen when so many people look to a hack like him for meaning to their lives.
Exactly. His lecture on anxiety and depression changed my life.
Why am I here. I'm just gonna regret it.
The like to dislike ratio restores my faith in humanity a little.
No more dislikes
Ya Peterson groupies are showing their insecurities
@@madcamdisease nowhere near as bad as Ana cult followers 😆
explain?
@@thetoxicappletta1624 esplanade
Invite Peterson on your show Ana I dare you.
Ana should interview JBP and discuss the things they agree and disagree with.
E K There is no reason to platform him or debate him, all that does is elevate his lies and sophistry to that of fact and truth. We know exactly what he has said and how he has defended what he has said, so all that needs to be done is to fact check him, that is more than enough to expose him for the dishonest fraud that he actually is.
This woman is insane.
no chance in real debate with Peterson.
I have to admit when Jordan Peterson says "the left", I interpret it as "the postmodern identitary left" (as opposed to "the economic left"... no they are not the same), and it makes a lot more sense that way.
Inviting Jordan to a discussion of at least one hour will afford you the opportunity to expand your base.
She’s says she not bias but then goes on calling him a right winger.
Anyone who thinks Jordan Peterson is a "right-wing hero" has never actually listened to or read anything he has to say. He's about as centrist as they come. (and I'm saying that as a progressive)
As Peterson has said himself, there are no right wing psychologists
I have nothing against JP but he does constantly defends capitalism, makes arguments against climate change actions, denies systemic racism and sexism. How is any of this "centrist"? After all this, he'll claim to be nonpolitical.
He is very famous with right-wings and has some weird conservative views.
TYT likes the idea of compelled speech.
2:44
Correction: Peterson wrote a book and gives lectures on how men AND women can better themselves.
SSSHHHH dont point out facts this is a leftist virtue signalling channel... you will get yourself banned from the internet
He wasnt protesting the "special protections" for trans people. He was protesting the compulsion of speech. 16 seconds in and you've already massively tilted the conversation away from truth.
Agreed. That was what I caught onto right away, she completely misrepresented what JBP's objection to "Compelled Speech" being enshrined into Law was about. Another thing she was completely wrong on was the idea that JBP represents any Political Expression. JBP does not identify with any specific political ideology, and if anything...quite critical of them.
Why don't u debate him? I'm sure he won't say no.
My thoughts exactly!😁
lmao i wonder why he did not
you could also try to get him to debate sam seder
@ me if you make it happen thanks
Well Ana, if you listen to Jordon as much as you say then you would know that he is very much for equality of opportunity. He states it repeatedly. Why would you leave that out? Does it not help your agenda?
If you're so certain about what Jordan Peterson thinks, why don't you have him on your show so he can defend himself? By the way, he wasn't an unknown prior to 2016, he was just not known to YOU.
BriarRose He wasn't famous.
She's doing a good job at making him look good
Debate him, I dare you!!! 😂😂😂
Why not have him on the show? And discuss the differences, she has.
I honestly think that could be really constructive. That video was reasonable until her attempt to juxtapose his opposition to distribution of wealth with his viewpoint on the dangers of polyamorous societies vs monogamous. The only way that's a valid point is if you presuppose that woman are like money or some other commodity. She's trying to make it seem like he's ideologically inconsistent, but she does so at the expense of her own value as a person. It seems so Intellectually lazy to me that you would try and conflate those ideas.
Nonetheless, TYT should have JBP on so he can drop some knowledge on em
Kermit the frog army incoming
you would have absolutely no chance, judging by your prior work, to even sit in the same room as Dr. Peterson, let alone have a debate
Talking about gender identity gives me great discomfort. It is a microagression that denies my personhood as a straight male. Am I doing it right?
Almost 50 percent of viewers dislike your video. Guess people aren’t buying your propaganda like they once did.
Peterson said the ‘ignorant’ left believes in equality of outcome, not the entire left. He’s carefully with his speech so you need to pay attention who he’s criticizing.
Erik Fjeldheim
Nobody believes in equality of outcome, it is just a straw man invented by idiots on the right.
@@Oners82 The left believes that income inequality is a problem and that politicians have to do something obout it (the famous "the 1 thenth of 1 percent..." of Bernie Sanders) so maybe they frame it diferent but the argument is there.
@@fricasepolitico9271
No, you are committing exactly the same straw man fallacy. Just because we think vast wealth inequality needs to be addressed that does NOT mean we think that everybody should have exactly the same wealth.
Obviously a doctor or engineer should earn more than a pot wash. The argument is that vast inequality negates equality of opportunity, NOT that everybody should have the same outcome.
You are straw manning the left whether you are aware of it or not.
@@Oners82 I did not say that the left argue that we should all earn the same, I said that the left wants to reduce the difference in what we earn (for example by putting progressive taxes on the rich).
Also, I do not believe that everyone should have equal opportunities, if equality of opportunities is imposed, who determines what those opportunities should be? The state. That is very dangerous.
@@fricasepolitico9271
Yes you did say that. I said the left does not believe in equality of outcome and you responded that they do use that argument but frame it differently.
That is a lie because we do not frame the same idea differently, we argue for something else.
And you don't believe in equality of opportunity? Well then you are admitting that you believe in a fundamentally unjust society, and that the right wing notion of meritocracy is complete bullshit (as if we didn't know already).
And yeah, it's soooo dangerous to allow people equal opportunity to suceed by providing them with healthcare, education, equal employment opportunity etc. We must instead oppress the poor and provide all the oportunities to the rich alone, that is not an immoral notion at all...
*Epic facepalm*
Oh, and I don't care if you disagree, you are wrong as a matter of empirical fact.
I read his 12 rules for life and this man is the most sincere rooting for men kind of guy out there. He is not against women and people like Ana try to dump on him. Debate him honey and watch him dismantle you.
He believes in equality of outcome, at least when it comes to sex for 'the forgotten 'boys' of the world who resort to violence because they aren't getting enough. Enforced marriage is his answer to male violence as perpetrated by the guys who don't get sex because women are looking for stable, mature adult men. Hmmm, sounds like equality of outcome doesn't it? All men should be married and getting sex regularly and that will solve the problem of male violence...................Wonder what he says about domestic violence where married men or boyfriends who are getting regular sex are beating up or raping their wives and girlfriends??? The answer to that question is, he doesn't say anything, but it's still women fault that some men aren't getting enough sex to keep them from being terrible.
As for debating her, for sure he'd go to great pains to confuse her with a firestorm of words and retreat into long rants about ancient history and Greek mythology plus drop a few names and repeated allusions to inflated credentials. And the minute she returned with statistics and facts that run counter to his verbosity, he'd get mad and then accuse her of not making her point more clearly.
@@ddhqj2023 He most certainly does not believe in equality of outcome. That alone confirms to me you have not consumed much of his content; he has flat out said equality of outcome is ridiculous between men & women.
Name one tome he has praised equality of outcome for the genders.
@@ddhqj2023 Tell me you’ve never seen an actual Peterson video without telling me you’ve never actually seen a Peterson video.
What about his comments about Enforced Monogamy? Or Peterson being an apologist for an Incel murderer?
@@ddhqj2023 r u drunk...🫵🤦🏽🤣
Good points! Conservative here
She should debate Jordan on pay per view. All money goes to charity.
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I don't think anyone cares that Ana exists. How would Jordan even know who she is?
Wow, if he hasn't already been misrepresented enough... Here comes TYT.
OSHY right. Last thing she said was Peterson thinks EVERYBODY on the left wants equality of outcome. Smh....
I can't wait for Ana to interview JP. She would be completely destroyed. 😂
Dream on.
@@moonrich3492 You know it's true.
No she wouldn't but she'd be totally pissed off at his chronic rambling, detouring diatribes and personal perpetual victimhood. Annoying and tiresome beyond belief. And if he burst into tears....she'd have a hard time not snickering at him.
@@ddhqj2023 ana & Jordan not even closer.. Jordan more intelligent person than Ana... Jordan had few ups & downs but unfortunately they're team always has picked,downs...
Clean your room, Jordan Peterson is NOT right wing!
It seems like there was no point to this video, except for watching a few of Jordan's insightful video snippets.
Either she's being disingenuous or she just hasn't listened to Dr Peterson. He said in the very clip she showed that equality of outcome was an idea of the 'ignorant left'. He's not saying all the left and you can see this time and again in his interviews and speeches, he says the far left, a small, but load, section of the left. He's very careful to point this out.
I think calling it the "left" at all is just being lazy. Give it a real source name.
No guts to debate him
Ana was either unable to understand Peterson’s argument with C-16 and gender neutral pronouns, or, more likely, just likes to misinform.
Peterson has never refused to use gender neutral pronouns, he just did not want the refusal to use them be punishable by law.
Ana: How hard was this to understand? Compare this to what you said in the beginning of the video.
Why not just interview him 😎
He's not on the far right or the far left
If you want to discuss Prof. Peterson and his views, invite him onto your show and have him air those views from the horse's mouth rather than taking it upon yourself to misrepresent them. And if you don't agree with his views, you may then - and only then - rebut them; while face to face with the man and allowing him the space to respond to your rebuttals. That's if you care for your reputation as a journalist and TYT's reputation as a Network for news and commentary. "Jordan Peterson gets one thing right?" Are you serious here?! I'd be eager to bet my bottom dollar that Prof. Peterson would wipe the proverbial floor with you and your views, just like Sam Harris did with Cenk Uygur and his. If you ask me, if there's "one thing" that Prof. Peterson "got right" hitherto, it's certainly his refraining from dignifying your show with a personal appearance, because the very fact that you'd stoop so low as to run with a clip like this one, is a fitting testament to your demerit.
J D that would expose her for what she is and she likes holding a position of high morality. Dr P would talk circles around her and if she was made to look stupid she’ll never save face.
peterson says basicly:
meaning > happiness.
responsibility > rights.
equality of opportunity > equality of outcome and quotas.
its a deeply liberal position.
I agree with a lot of what she says, BUUUUUT I think Peterson would agree also!... They should HAVE HIM ON THE SHOW to talk to him to his face in an UNEDITED INTERVIEW, rather then just cherry pick segments to back up an agenda.
The prospect of that would probably seem daunting to them. The last time they tried something similar Sam Harris destroyed Cenk for three hours.
JBP fan here. Actually thought this piece was not bad, far better than any mainstream media take on him. Disagree with her in some respects but it's clear she tried hard not to misrepresent the man.
Yes I agree, the only problem I see is the conflating of his equality of outcome to his enforced monogamy comment, the difference here that they don't explain is he isn't calling for government mandated to enforce monogamy like people are for equality of outcome and is just pointing out that it's the best option to take.
You should invite Peterson to your show.
She visualized it and saw her career being over the day of the Peterson interview.
@Average Guy I really doubt that.
I’m scared that people subscribe to tyt
Ana, as someone who used to LOVE TYT but has been alienated by the extreme Left (of which I think TYT has become) and has found conservatives and classical liberals to be the only ones defending free speech, respectful discourse, and not screaming "No Borders!", I would LOVE to see you have Jordan Peterson on to discuss your differences and commonalities! DO NOT LET CENK DO THE INTERVIEW! You are much less dogmatic than Cenk and I think you'd actually be capable of having a productive discourse. I think you misunderstand Peterson (he isn't speaking "to men", he's speaking to EVERYONE, it's just that men are very marginalized in the public discourse currently and so anyone who addresses their needs is immediately seen as a right wing MRA), but I REALLY appreciate that you TRIED to understand him and represent him in good faith, something which Cenk does not do to people who he disagrees with (cough-Sam Harris-cough) and which has led TYT to become dogmatic ideologues who forsake nuance in favour of expedient tribalism.
There's hope for you to come out of your bubble yet, Ana. As a young woman myself I always admired you, and I was so incredibly dissapointed when I saw TYT go down the road of Trump Derangement Syndrome (no, I am not a Trump supporter, I just think one should be VERY careful before one compares detainment of illegal migrants to Holocaust concentration camps!), and "democratic" socialism. You guys give no context to your opponent's viewpoints, and while that is perhaps an inevitable result of a daily news show, I think you have become lazy ideologues who mis-characterize and mis-represent whenever it is convenient and are never willing to moderate your views or find middle ground. You never address the legitimate criticisms of modern feminism, leftism, and socialism, instead relying on strawmans of your opponents as all radical right wingers who hate people with brown skin. There is nothing honest about that - you are being intellectually lazy. And while I know it's so much harder to admit your side isn't always right and that the other side might have answers you don't have, and nuance is less popular in the short term than extremism, it is a far better strategy to pull yourself back from the Us vs Them, Left vs Right edge and realize that there is a center, and that that is a good place to be.
There is a reason why the "members" of the Intellectual Dark Web have thousands upon thousands of people who will listen to them discuss ANY topic for a few hours at a time - it is because people are craving nuance over polarization, humility over certainty, honesty over pride. Please, PLEASE attempt to embark on that journey of nuanced thought - the only way to start is to engage with those who you oppose (no, I'm not talking legitimate headcases like RIchard Spencer, but people like Peterson, the Weinstein brothers, even Sargon of Akkad!), on GOOD FAITH TERMS, to truly LISTEN to them and to embark on each discussion with the pursuit of truth and understanding for both parties as the end goal, rather than willfully mis-characterizing to reinforce divisions.
I would love to see you try to do this Ana - we all need to, if we're going to live on this damn rock together.
All the best,
Claire, 24, from Vancouver BC.
thats not an argument
Great comment
Once you go far left or far right, its no longer an ideology; its a religion
Centrism is the ideological position that you believe that the status quo is fine and should continue on. Which is incredibly stupid.
+TJPancake No pleb, it's someone who doesn't fall explicitly on the left or right and picks positions they value from across the spectrum. Learn your political science.
Peterson has some crazy ideas on some subjects (eg religion), but you have misrepresented his views on free speech. It's one thing to disagree, it's a different matter to misrepresented. JP is not against naming trans by their chosen pronoun, he is against doing this by legislation, he is against government compelled speech.
You are also so wrong on equality of outcome.
First, JP did not say the left promulgates this, he said this is advocated by 'ignoreng left', i.e a part of the left.
Second, a significant, even if not a majority, of the left does promulgate equality of outcome. You are right that majority of the left advocate for equality of opportunity, but every time someone puts forward the 77 cents on the dollar women make without considering any differences in choices is making a statement that they would like the ratio to be 1.0 rather than 0.77. This is the very definition of equality of outcome. Obama also said this once without addressing any differences in choices between genders. So a significant subset of the left do speak about equality of outcome. Fact. Nobody said mjority.
JP says a lot of crazy stuff, no doubt, but misrepresentating his views does not help in dismantling them. Please do a little better job at understanding his views and statements.
Dima she's better than us, much better
Let’s be very clear About something Jordan Peterson said; he said that it’s the government creating speech laws not about what you CANNOT SAY but what you HAVE TO SAY .....HUGE DIFFERENCE
The point is that the latter is needed because who's listening? Freedom of speech and freedom to offend for some, but for the rest: freedom FROM speech!
10:47 He isn't talking about the whole left. He is talking about *radical leftists*. In fact, that is how he defines 'radical leftists', people who support equality of outcome.
@@kg356 No, he is attacking the far-left and the far-right, both of which exist.
"I don't agree with his views on the trans community at all"?
and what would those views be? I've never heard him say anything negative about trans people ever....not once, so i'm eager to hear what she's made up in her own head about what his view are?
IMHO TYT are not very realistic and have this outlandish view on society
Debate him. Cathy Newman 2.0.
JBP: blah blah blah the ignorant left blah blah blah..
AK: So what you're saying is all leftists..
Watched the Cathy Newman interview 3 times. It's wonderful
dobiacco
He'd get destroyed just as he did by Zizek.
@@krunkey
You have got to be blinded by your own bias to think Peterson didn't lose that debate.
From Wiki:
"Journalists reported that Peterson made many factual errors about Marx and Marxism, such as misunderstanding the fundamental principle of the labor theory of value, incorrectly associating Marx broadly with identity politics, and denying the existence of a Marxist philosophy of nature[10]. Critics claimed that he was uninformed about The Communist Manifesto and generally ill-prepared for the debate[11], and that he was "completely vacuous", making claims such as that power is never achieved through the exploitation of people"
@@Oners82 you say you have to be biased as you claim ana would destroy peterson. What a joke
He never said wealth inequality was good. He simply said he didn't have a solution for it. He literally said it wasn't good because it destabilises a society. So his views on monogamy aline perfectly with his views on wealth. He is thinking about the destabilisation of society.
What a monster!
Here in Canada our prime minister made sure half of his cabinet was female. Why? Because it was 2015. That was an example of equality of outcome, regardless of whether the ministers were the best candidates for the positions. In spite of himself, he did a better job than even he hoped by appointing Jodi Wilson-Raybould as Attorney General. She was better qualified for her position than Justin Trudeau was for his.
"I don't agree with his thoughts on transgender community at all" - well, he doesn't have any, to be frank. His problem is with the bill, not trans-community
"to be frank"
@@benitobenitez5975 yup
which bill, exactly?
@@magcollis2380 An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code
(Bill C-16)
Exactly! His beef is with coercion by the state to be forced to use certain language
why tf is tyt suddenly showing up in my suggested videos?
Exactly. RUclips is left-leaning and they probably promote their ideology, hence the thing. I'm not even following or subscribed to TyT and yet I get this shitty video as "suggested". Please
Some bot saw(?) a cute girl with pink hair in your avi and matched that up with counterculture teen rebellion? Are you also getting suggestions for channels full of vegan recipes?
I asked the same question. I guess it's the Peterson factor. I figured I got the suggestion because I'm subscribed to Peterson's channel. A smart business move on the girl's part. A lot of youtubers use him for views.
Peterson is a gift to critical thinkers everywhere
I don't think you understand what critical thinking is
@@ElroyMF1 let me ask you, where do you get your news?
@@michaeld9682 irrelevant, I've seen the man debate several times.
@@ElroyMF1 I have also. Do you feel the federal government should clamp down on free speech? Do you feel that young men are being ostracized?
@@michaeld9682 I'm in favor of free speech. Certain particular young men are being ostracized, sure. You say "young men" as if that demographic is monolithic
Damn the comments need to chill tf out. You have to understand that she did not write a 20 page paper; she made a ten minute video, much of which wasn't her speaking. There is only so much she can squeeze in. She did a good job of identifying specific issues with which she disagrees with Peterson, and gave a quick reasoning.
Peterson is a doctored professor with incredible debating skills. It stands to reason that most people are not going to be as good as he is at debating. That does not mean that Ana is not a good debater or illogical in any way. She did a good job at making her points and she's definitely smarter and more logical than a significant number of people in the comment section (10,000+ of you).
Some of y'all gotta chill on the "she'd get destroyed in a debate with him" and the "she's so dumb" and "everything she said was a strawman". She does overgeneralize a bit, as does Peterson, but people with large audiences and many disagree-ers cannot debate with every point from every person. I thought she made some valid points, and I thought she made some points that were invalid because they stretched his position a little too far. Doesn't mean she gotta get roasted to a crisp in the comments by Joe the Peterson Fanboy (apologies to all you chill Joes out there).
Nothing to add!
The reason why some of the comments are so toxic is because a lot of people in the Peterson cult are fundamentally misogynistic.