When taking T1 you can see how he rapidly makes a correction because the rear wing was lifting up because of the lack of downforce. Mark acknowledged this behaviour of the car and still went flat out. 2011 was such a season.
@@tangofoxtrott7971 it didn't "start to take-off" but since there's no downforce flowing there the rear wheels aren't so pushed to the ground in comparison to the front wheels, this results in a massive loss of control because of the difference of grip levels between both wheels
DRS being free to use anywhere you want so long as you can make the downforce to remain stable is so much more interesting than the current setup. No wonder it's not like that anymore.
@@alsa4real Zooming around at 250+ kph is inherently unsafe anyway. Shit breaks on F1 cars and sends 'em flying into walls all the time, and people don't die because the cars aren't made of paper mache and the walls absorb the energy. Live a little.
@@DonLee1980 This. Making similar lap speed on twisty tracks through lightness and design ingenuity instead of just brute force is far more impressive.
@@idexpro8263 of course, they were heavier than previous generations, but they were still 50-60 centimeters shorter and 150 kg lighter than than current cars
I don’t get people creaming themselves over the sound. “Old cars sound better”. Who cares that the 2004 cars sound nice when the racing was the most boring that F1 has ever seen.
@@jk844100 part of it is because of nostalgia and im not even talking about the V10 era. The V8s were good enough in 2010 and the racing was phenomenal.
The RB7 is also great in that it has a wicked blown diffuser sound. My all time favorite F1 car. Little fact, Sebastian Vettel used to call this car "Kinky Kylie".
if my memory correct, i think they ban blown diffuser at that race, you can hear downshift sounds very different, with blown diffuser downshift way violence .
@@bukharijabarazman2700 yes and no, only that Silverstone race banned in 2011,if my memory correct i think 2011, if not then 2012 ?but i pretty sure is that race 2011 Silverstone, part of reason Alonso won that race , just because no blown diffuser , and you can hear the downshift sound, blown diffuser downshift not like that.
@@bukharijabarazman2700no he is right for the 2011 British GP the blown diffusers were banned. This is why Alonso could absolutely dominate the scenery in a much closer top game. It also showed that Ferrari couldn’t capitalise on the diffuser’s potential, but had a decent enough chassis to just contend with the top dogs. I mean the race of course
@@bukharijabarazman2700 and no matter Renault or Mercedes engine ,blown diffuser downshift all sounds like that , violence ,very violence ,almost sounds like "is something broken? " very characteristics sound.
@johnchen871 Yes, however, the cars themselves were smaller and on top of that, the aerodynamic profile was smaller so therefore the impact percentage is likely the same
@@Zen_1g Doesn't matter what size the cars were. You measure DRS change and if the wing is 2x smaller, then car size in general does not matter (it's not 2x smaller)
Great Video my Friend. Keep up the brilliant Work.Seb had the DRS Open through T1 in the Race in 2018 when he was chasing Bottas. He was the only driver to do so apart from Ericsson but he crashed.
In the 2011 British GP Q3 the track was still very slighlty damp, so that makes Webber's attempt even more impressive 😊 Button was however extremely cautious due to slippery track. There was plenty more interesting flat-out DRS running in 2011 and 2012 (from 2013 DRS was limited in quali)- the best are of course 130R, then turns 7-8 in Korea, Blanchimont was actually easily DRS-flat and finally I can recall turn 2 in Abu Dhabi - those are the big ones 😆 I might have missed something, though. Of course there were a lot easy corners taken flat 😉
The 2011 rb7 has to be one of if not the greatest V8 title winning f1 car ever. Absolutely a car that very much was the peak and gold standard of the blown exhaust diffuser era of V8 f1 cars. The car was often said to be a refinement version of their previous title winning car RB6 but this is one of the few times where Adrian Newey and his technical team very much perfected many of the ideas from the RB6 to a new extreme that it was inch perfect
Ahh man, I use to love this on F1 2011. Yeah it’s not irl. But on the game, you were ALWAYS hunting for a place to use DRS. Not matter how sure the straight was, or if it was a slight kink corner or sharp kink before or after a straight. It made quali exciting.
it also helps when the car speeds weren't as high, and the cars weighed 150kg less. downforce/weight = grip. 150kg less weight means a LOT more grip from the downforce.
Exactly... these current heavy ass cars are on the brink of not being F1... no one speaks of how regressive and hurting the recent 2 reg changes have been with regards to weight...
Sebastian vettel still holds the record for most poles in a season 15 out of 19 I remember watching him have his rear wing open in 130r and as a kid i was so confused thought he broke his wing
Warning: Big rant about the 2018 cars closing the DRS incoming . . . 1. In 2018, both the rear wing and the DRS gap were much bigger than the pre-2017 era, resulting in a massive loss of rear df. Still a lot more grip than the early 2010s, but much less than the front tyres. 2. With the older cars, you would constantly be slipping and sliding, while the modern cars drive like they're on rails, so when you lose the tyres, you've got no heuristic sense about which way you'll be facing (especially if you’re a methodical chap like Vettel...). 3. The modern tyres are designed to be fragile (because FIA tells Pirelli to make them fragile, so blame FIA). Which, combined with the 2017-21 demonic levels of downforce, any sliding would most likely get you a big flat spot. 4. Flipping the DRS close and open shifts the weight backwards, and the last era was all about maximising exits.
@@turbobrick3419 yes, your comment is really dumb. Nowadays drivers don't even understand the risk the ones that came before were willing to take. You're just a sad excuse of a clown
Should be noted that part of the reason they closed drs in 2018 (at least Hamilton is that clip. I feel like I recall other drivers taking it with DRS open.) is because they were approaching the corner at a higher speed due to the greater power of the V6T engines.
If you ever opened drs in a older F1 games in a corner, for example 2012 that had great physics, or some good simulators, you know how ballsy and on the edge it is in an F1 car. If you open it withouth fully prepeared you just instantly spin off to the gravel
I hope they put a scene in the new F1 movie that they drive a car from this era. Or even better a blown diffuser, it's funny that when you ask people how an F1 car sounds they likely will do the sound of that era not nowadays.
No in 2018, the Red Bull cars were able to go through T1 at silverstone with their DRS open. I’m 100% sure they did that in free practice but I’m not sure if they did that in qualifying. The Mercedes could do that too but they didn’t want to risk it
This is why we need lighter cars. If we get way lighter cars they can cope with the downforce loss, so we can have lighter cars, less dirty air, but still around the same speeds
if im not mistaken, i think 2011 season that Silverstone race banned hot blown diffuser , I can hear that WEBBER RB7 downshift sounds very different than blown diffuser one , blown diffuser downshift sound extremely violence , so that RB7 downforce even greater with blown diffuser?
remember when RB6 was going though turn 8 in Turkey 20 km/h faster than any other car? This is by the same guy who designed the "crappy car" that's leading F1 today.
I'm gonna half jokingly say that the Mclaren probably could have had the DRS open in those turns, it's just those drivers didn't have the balls for it lol
That rule cycle was rather interesting. One season was close, the other one Red Bull dominated, repeat. Some people use this as a "they need to keep rules longer because teams close the gap" excuse and it makes no sense. The rule stayed for 5 years as always and teams didn't exactly close the gap. It was just random close/dominance seasons.
2011 RB made a monster of a car tbh but 2013 teams waived the white flag earlier than usual due to the big 2014 changes hence the way the season ended the Pirelli tire changes after Silverstone that year basically ended the title as well
@@Willbrse I was simply talking about 2011 and 2013 but the domination in 09/11/13 can be explained The double diffuser for Brawn in 09 Perfecting the blown diffuser for Red bull in 2011 Tire changes after Silverstone and other teams stopping development earlier for Red Bull for 2013
btw how is drs controlled, does the driver has complete control over activation/deactivation? If 2 cars are in DRS zone, can the car ahead turn ON DRS?
@yelistener Not sure why you call this car a downforce monster when current F1 cars destroy it in high speed Copse corner going ~30km/h faster than this 'monster'. Plus the DRS wing was not as big (and wide) in those days so the downforce loss was much lower than these days.
Silverstone pole 2024 vs 2023: ruclips.net/video/QmsUZUUTj_0/видео.html
When taking T1 you can see how he rapidly makes a correction because the rear wing was lifting up because of the lack of downforce. Mark acknowledged this behaviour of the car and still went flat out. 2011 was such a season.
Mark was a daredevil. Look at his driving with Minardi.
They could bring this back I loved this rule
It was definitely one of the seasons of all time
Pretty sure the rear wing didn‘t lift up
@@tangofoxtrott7971 it didn't "start to take-off" but since there's no downforce flowing there the rear wheels aren't so pushed to the ground in comparison to the front wheels, this results in a massive loss of control because of the difference of grip levels between both wheels
DRS being free to use anywhere you want so long as you can make the downforce to remain stable is so much more interesting than the current setup.
No wonder it's not like that anymore.
Yeah I wanted to see that in current time
This and the f duct the year before where they’re basically driving one handed thru fast corners
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 I'm thinking that too
It's not safe
@@alsa4real Zooming around at 250+ kph is inherently unsafe anyway. Shit breaks on F1 cars and sends 'em flying into walls all the time, and people don't die because the cars aren't made of paper mache and the walls absorb the energy.
Live a little.
Opening DRS in a high speed corner is madness.
If you are moving fast enough, you got enough downforce
Worth noting that Webber's biggest strength was high speed corners, Horner even said himself it was the 1 area he had seb really beat
I remember too. Seb beat him in the low speed corners by a good bit. Seb had great feel applying throttle out of corners.
Yeah that's why he was always fast in Silverstone and Catalunya, interesting he was also very fast in Monaco which is the complete opposite
@@AgainstWokeness yeah but those few high speed corners in monaco make a massive difference if you're as brave as Webber
2017-2021 had even more downforce, and I think these ground effect cars do as well but man, those light, nimble V8 cars were something else
more downforce, but much heavier, and also much higher speeds which need even more grip to pin the throttle.
@@DonLee1980 This. Making similar lap speed on twisty tracks through lightness and design ingenuity instead of just brute force is far more impressive.
These V8 cars from 2010 weren't that nimble. As refuelling ban made them bigger in size
@@idexpro8263 of course, they were heavier than previous generations, but they were still 50-60 centimeters shorter and 150 kg lighter than than current cars
@@DonLee1980 Thus requiring more combined overall power to get similar speeds as the V8 in the corner
The 2010s are the modern era of f1. Now it feels like we have gone one step forward and three steps backwards. And the sound 😊
you mean the early 2010s.
I don’t get people creaming themselves over the sound.
“Old cars sound better”. Who cares that the 2004 cars sound nice when the racing was the most boring that F1 has ever seen.
@@jk844100 Are you stupid
@@jk844100 part of it is because of nostalgia and im not even talking about the V10 era. The V8s were good enough in 2010 and the racing was phenomenal.
@@baseerrehman9598 not really since the racing in 2010 was so bad they had to invent DRS.
In 2011 I remember also Seb doing on 2 of his pole laps 130-R with the DRS open and also Abu Dhabi turn 3😱, which was crazy!!!
The RB7 is also great in that it has a wicked blown diffuser sound. My all time favorite F1 car.
Little fact, Sebastian Vettel used to call this car "Kinky Kylie".
I do wonder if it had anything to do with Kylie Minogue.
@@sbinadero Of course, Vettel named the car after singer Kylie Minogue.
What they lost in the double diffuser, they gained in Newey’s blown diffuser…
if my memory correct, i think they ban blown diffuser at that race, you can hear downshift sounds very different, with blown diffuser downshift way violence .
@@bukwok Blown diffusers were banned at the end of 2013, the violent downshifts are usually heard on the Lotus…
@@bukharijabarazman2700 yes and no, only that Silverstone race banned in 2011,if my memory correct i think 2011, if not then 2012 ?but i pretty sure is that race 2011 Silverstone, part of reason Alonso won that race , just because no blown diffuser , and you can hear the downshift sound, blown diffuser downshift not like that.
@@bukharijabarazman2700no he is right for the 2011 British GP the blown diffusers were banned. This is why Alonso could absolutely dominate the scenery in a much closer top game. It also showed that Ferrari couldn’t capitalise on the diffuser’s potential, but had a decent enough chassis to just contend with the top dogs. I mean the race of course
@@bukharijabarazman2700 and no matter Renault or Mercedes engine ,blown diffuser downshift all sounds like that , violence ,very violence ,almost sounds like "is something broken? " very characteristics sound.
that Drs opening gap is pretty small tho in 2011
So were rear wings narrow & tall.
@johnchen871 Yes, however, the cars themselves were smaller and on top of that, the aerodynamic profile was smaller so therefore the impact percentage is likely the same
good point
@@Zen_1g Doesn't matter what size the cars were. You measure DRS change and if the wing is 2x smaller, then car size in general does not matter (it's not 2x smaller)
Great Video my Friend. Keep up the brilliant Work.Seb had the DRS Open through T1 in the Race in 2018 when he was chasing Bottas. He was the only driver to do so apart from Ericsson but he crashed.
In the 2011 British GP Q3 the track was still very slighlty damp, so that makes Webber's attempt even more impressive 😊 Button was however extremely cautious due to slippery track.
There was plenty more interesting flat-out DRS running in 2011 and 2012 (from 2013 DRS was limited in quali)- the best are of course 130R, then turns 7-8 in Korea, Blanchimont was actually easily DRS-flat and finally I can recall turn 2 in Abu Dhabi - those are the big ones 😆
I might have missed something, though.
Of course there were a lot easy corners taken flat 😉
Very well done for whoever produced this. Thanks!
The 2011 rb7 has to be one of if not the greatest V8 title winning f1 car ever. Absolutely a car that very much was the peak and gold standard of the blown exhaust diffuser era of V8 f1 cars. The car was often said to be a refinement version of their previous title winning car RB6 but this is one of the few times where Adrian Newey and his technical team very much perfected many of the ideas from the RB6 to a new extreme that it was inch perfect
This is a great reminder of how cool those V8 era cars were.
When the car didn't sound like a lawn mower.
*hoover
Galloping horses sounded good in their day too grandpa
Why are you disrespecting the lawnmower
@@ItsDeffoScott not as good as the iron horse
Always complaining 😒
Ahh man, I use to love this on F1 2011. Yeah it’s not irl. But on the game, you were ALWAYS hunting for a place to use DRS. Not matter how sure the straight was, or if it was a slight kink corner or sharp kink before or after a straight.
It made quali exciting.
Bring back these cars with the engines (the sound), the smaller size, the difficultly to drive (much more steering corrections)
Best sounding car ever in my opinion, those downshifts😍
it also helps when the car speeds weren't as high, and the cars weighed 150kg less. downforce/weight = grip. 150kg less weight means a LOT more grip from the downforce.
Exactly... these current heavy ass cars are on the brink of not being F1... no one speaks of how regressive and hurting the recent 2 reg changes have been with regards to weight...
T1 at Silverstone saw a 20kph delta from the two cars. Astonishing.
Love the videos.
We didn't know how good we had it in comparison to today's neutered cars
The fact he didn't turn it off for maggots/beckets at all is impressive
Absolutely positively insanely crazy and wicked
i mean tbh the DRS opening slot was tiny back then
In 2010 on his Spa pole lap he did Eau Rouge with one hand😳 because the other one was covering the F-Duct, I think that's more impressive.
F duct operation is still unbeatable to watch
Absolute incredible
@0:29 That looked like he was on an absolute knife edge. I almost forgot how daring Webber could be.
F1 2010 - F1 2013 are my favorite cars
That's some well-engineered car.
Sebastian vettel still holds the record for most poles in a season 15 out of 19
I remember watching him have his rear wing open in 130r and as a kid i was so confused thought he broke his wing
my god that must have been terrifying - the aero-balance with DRS open is crazcy bad
this is as impressive as Mansell driving through Blanchimant with the Diffuser stall on
The W11 with Lewis would do well over 300 throughout the entire corner 😮
I love the elevator music in the explanations before turning back to steaming V8s 😂
Also back when KERS was a button you'd hold for extra power each lap. Knowing when and how much to use was an art itself.
Warning: Big rant about the 2018 cars closing the DRS incoming . . .
1. In 2018, both the rear wing and the DRS gap were much bigger than the pre-2017 era, resulting in a massive loss of rear df. Still a lot more grip than the early 2010s, but much less than the front tyres.
2. With the older cars, you would constantly be slipping and sliding, while the modern cars drive like they're on rails, so when you lose the tyres, you've got no heuristic sense about which way you'll be facing (especially if you’re a methodical chap like Vettel...).
3. The modern tyres are designed to be fragile (because FIA tells Pirelli to make them fragile, so blame FIA). Which, combined with the 2017-21 demonic levels of downforce, any sliding would most likely get you a big flat spot.
4. Flipping the DRS close and open shifts the weight backwards, and the last era was all about maximising exits.
These guys are not afraid of anything what?!?
Welcome to when Formula 1 was still Formula 1. Ignorant
The good old times, when hard battles and maneuvers were celebrated...
Typical dts fan
@@bombergame8636 The current drivers are just as brave lol. What a dumb comment
@@turbobrick3419 yes, your comment is really dumb. Nowadays drivers don't even understand the risk the ones that came before were willing to take. You're just a sad excuse of a clown
Engineering masterclass!
The Schumacher S in nurburgring with DRS open is truly insane
Should be noted that part of the reason they closed drs in 2018 (at least Hamilton is that clip. I feel like I recall other drivers taking it with DRS open.) is because they were approaching the corner at a higher speed due to the greater power of the V6T engines.
I remember a driver in 2018 using DRS through turn 1 though I can't remember who it was
I think most cars can take T1 with DRS open back in 2018
I think that was Ericson
Fernando Alonso did it I tkink
Max did, and Marcus Ericson, but ME crashed in doing so during the race
If you ever opened drs in a older F1 games in a corner, for example 2012 that had great physics, or some good simulators, you know how ballsy and on the edge it is in an F1 car. If you open it withouth fully prepeared you just instantly spin off to the gravel
I simply cannot imagine taking the Schumacher Esses flat out with DRS open.
Imagine the drivers throwing open the drs in a high speed corner with 10 km extra to go for that needed overtake. It would be quite the spectacle
going flat with drs open is wild
I want this f1 to return. Nowadays it's introducing more and more gimmicks, instead of pushing boundaries of what's possible.
I hope they put a scene in the new F1 movie that they drive a car from this era. Or even better a blown diffuser, it's funny that when you ask people how an F1 car sounds they likely will do the sound of that era not nowadays.
Corrects with rear wing open in a turn at 300kph like it's tuesday lmao
Interesting, it seems to have had about the same amount of porpoising as the current car!
Man, I hope we can get at least the V8 back someday
FLAT OUT!!!
2011 when DRS was allowed in every part of the track ❤
Silverstone and Interlagos never disapoints in F1. Kinda curious how it's gonna be in this season....
the SPEEEEEEEEEED
No in 2018, the Red Bull cars were able to go through T1 at silverstone with their DRS open. I’m 100% sure they did that in free practice but I’m not sure if they did that in qualifying. The Mercedes could do that too but they didn’t want to risk it
This is why we need lighter cars. If we get way lighter cars they can cope with the downforce loss, so we can have lighter cars, less dirty air, but still around the same speeds
Got to love all the comments crying about the noise
it wouldn't be a Formula One video if you didn't have that
The one thing I noticed is that the car's only had a 7 speed transmission as well. That probably limited top speed a bit.
Holy downforce
Remind us before 2013 l, there's no dedicated DRS zone in quali. So every drivers have ball of steel.
if im not mistaken, i think 2011 season that Silverstone race banned hot blown diffuser , I can hear that WEBBER RB7 downshift sounds very different than blown diffuser one , blown diffuser downshift sound extremely violence , so that RB7 downforce even greater with blown diffuser?
It lost double diffuser, but it had the blown diffuser.
more classic onboards pls
You could open drs whenever you wanted to back then ?
The good old days
Yes. Back in 2011 and 2012 there were no restrictions for DRS during qualifying, the DRS zones would count only for the race
Only in Quali. It was awesome.
In 2011/2012, the first two years DRS was in F1, drivers could use it wherever they wanted in practice and qualifying
Yup, in FPs and Qualis, bar Monaco tunnel and Spa Eau Rouge Raidillon
remember when RB6 was going though turn 8 in Turkey 20 km/h faster than any other car?
This is by the same guy who designed the "crappy car" that's leading F1 today.
RED BULL!!! 👊👊👊
I miss Nürburgring GP
Not only was Jenson forced to turn off DRS, but also lift the throttle...
I'm gonna half jokingly say that the Mclaren probably could have had the DRS open in those turns, it's just those drivers didn't have the balls for it lol
I still believe I saw Verstappen DRS open through T1 in 2018 Q3.
That rule cycle was rather interesting. One season was close, the other one Red Bull dominated, repeat.
Some people use this as a "they need to keep rules longer because teams close the gap" excuse and it makes no sense. The rule stayed for 5 years as always and teams didn't exactly close the gap. It was just random close/dominance seasons.
2011 RB made a monster of a car tbh but 2013 teams waived the white flag earlier than usual due to the big 2014 changes hence the way the season ended the Pirelli tire changes after Silverstone that year basically ended the title as well
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 '09 (after first races) and '10 were close. '11 domination, '12 close again
Stop picking. I'm talking about the whole rule cycle.
@@Willbrse I was simply talking about 2011 and 2013 but the domination in 09/11/13 can be explained
The double diffuser for Brawn in 09
Perfecting the blown diffuser for Red bull in 2011
Tire changes after Silverstone and other teams stopping development earlier for Red Bull for 2013
Stay DRS at very high speed turn!?! 😮😨 But caution to the "exploded" slip to leave the violent crash!
2018 cars being unable to take Abbey flat-out with DRS activated is weird, given their downforce advantage over RB7, or 2011 cars generally.
they should bring back the open drs rules for quali
10kph faster at Schumacher s is crazy
RB7 vs W11, What do you think?
I miss the noise 😢
Nice F1 car that isn't fat. I miss the NA cars.
Can you make a vid why the Mercedes drivers manually closed their DRS until somewhere in 2018?
2025 we should bring back free to use drs
Bring back free DRS in practice and qualy!!!
2018 was still some 10kmh and still had to close drs... Whys that?
Moral of the story is that we need to bring the Nurburgring back to F1
Verstappen Q3 2018 was with drs open
How can you place huds anywhere you want?
2018 may have no been DRS open, but still 15kph faster...
Just bring back the V-10s and make the entire rules set fit on 1 page at 10 font.
btw how is drs controlled, does the driver has complete control over activation/deactivation?
If 2 cars are in DRS zone, can the car ahead turn ON DRS?
There’s a drs button they press to activate it when they hear a beep in their ears as they cross the drs line
But why V8 era so slow in the straight line compare to the V6 and V10?
Wich is faster, RB6 or RB7?
But the speed at the apex of silverstone T1 2018 is much higher than 2011. About 10 km/h.
Adrian Newey.
all different drivers with RB winning, just one thing stays the same, adrian newey designed cars
@yelistener Not sure why you call this car a downforce monster when current F1 cars destroy it in high speed Copse corner going ~30km/h faster than this 'monster'. Plus the DRS wing was not as big (and wide) in those days so the downforce loss was much lower than these days.
They should just let drivers use DRS whenever they want in the race
Vettel, Suzuka....