The REAL history of JRPGs / console rpgs / light rpg Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- / therpgfanatic The REAL history of JRPGs / console rpgs / light rpgs. Part 2
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These 2 videos were a head of their time. I think people now-a-days know a lot of things said in this video. Thankfully.
Thanks man, appreciate the kind words. I got a lot of heat for these videos back in the day but what I said was true.
Very informative, very well made, and very well spoken. I am genuinely impressed.
By the way, if you guys really like this then be sure to show it to others, especially those who don't get it. I put these videos together to educate people on what the history is and what console-style rpgs actually are.
@hrodwulf Well, as I said toward the end, the old-school genre lines are starting to blur because game designers are coming up with unique mechanics for the games in effort to keep computer rpgs "fresh". Some do tend to lean toward certain directions though, and in general, American rpgs lean toward PC-style and Japanese lean toward console-style. I'll try to make a video about this topic one day.
I don't currently own all the BoF games right now (I did and have beaten them all) but when I re-obtain them I'll do a marathon review on them.
@TheRpgFanatic Today some of these elements have drifted into other genres (customizing a character with different combination of items / powerups) but the computer rpg genre was defined in the 80's when these games first came out.
As for Zelda, I'm pretty sure it descends from arcade "item grab" games, most notably Tower of Druaga. The major difference with Zelda is you have freedom to explore the dungeons as you wish and you can buy power ups with earned points (rupees).
EXELLENT, ive been wating so long for someone to clear that up! I totally agree.
Another game people often refer to as an RPG but isn't would be Alundra. It may have as detailed of a story as an RPG; perhaps an even more elaborate story than many of them, but no matter how many enemies you destroy you don't get stronger. It's all about the powerups. Faxanadu is a tough one to categorize though. Yes you get exp & gold from defeating enemies, but all the exp does is let you continue with a higher rank which only = more gold upon continue. It's powerups that strengthen you.
I would like to add the the "defining an RPG" thing... I would say that its not necessarily to do this hower the power-ups/level-ups are obtained, but how possible it is to repeatidly get them
for example, I would say that leveling up in an average RPG is done by killing enemies, killing enemies is a constant repeatable task. The heart containers in zelda is not a repeatable task, but a series of individual ones.
@davidzxx That's what many people did. I'm trying to promote new labels that define RPGs by their different styles of combat and narrative models. When my new website launches the game database will use these labels to categorize the games.
@TheRpgFanatic I'll talk about action rpgs eventually.
I logged in for this this already shows that your video has great information not that im special in some kind of way or something.
I am focussed on the creation of games and am trying to make a RPG I really respect your ludological view of the game it is trully fascination to hear you make these things so clear in no time this video really deserves more than 1435 hits. It really has correct content and you backup your arguments like somekind of backupper sorry for the lame joke
@velocityeleven By computer rpg elements, I'm really talking about the game mechanics of D&D, especially AD&D. Turn-based combat, dungeon crawling, and character growth based on repetitive actions (ex. exp points for killing enemies or the systems used in FF2 / SaGa games). There is also character customization, even if it is something seemingly simple as equipping different armor and weapons.
@Silvererazor The term isn't used only for light-rpgs. JRPG is used in an inconsistent manner and often by those that focus on completely irrelevant things (ex. "anime" artwork, random battles, having generic fantasy cliches in the story, etc) that actually appear in multiple games regardless of genre or country of origin. I think it's better if people abandon the term JRPG and go back to calling the genre console-style like we have for two decades. JRPG has only existed for a couple years.
i got a table top RPG recently, make me think that they had a huge influence on video game rpgs.
Azure Dreams is my favourite game of all time (the PS1 version anyway) it is really well done... also I agree with pretty much everything you say, and a lot. Especially about Zelda not being an RPG
@TwilightsView I like so many, it feels a little unfair to narrow down a small list. But some of my favorites are FF6, FF7, Xenogears, SaGa Frontier 2, Romancing SaGa: MS, Earthbound, Azure Dreams and Lufia 2. I also like some pc-style, such as Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. I play MMORPGs as well (Atlantica Online, WoW, etc)
@Ragmesesis Sorry, I think it's just an adventure game which has had a lot of influence on the design of many RPGs, which is what confuses people.
@v1zdr1x I'll be reviewing Azure Dreams eventually. I'm planning something special for it, too.
Wow, very informative. This put the nail in the coffin for me to stop using JRPG all-together even for country of origin.
One of these days I will make a video showing the kind of things people leave on this video and other videos I have set to approval first. There is quite a lot of homophobic slurs thrown around and I quite honestly don't feel like spending my days deleting it.
@InvisibleTrainwreck Roleplaying in tabletop rpgs means to assume the role of a character in a fictional world and collaboratively create the narrative with other players / GM.
In computer RPGs you cannot roleplay because the narrative (if any) is on a rail decided by the game designer. The player has a finite number of choices they can make limited by the designer, whereas in RPG games the limit is determined by your own imagination.
good stuff man very informative.
@akimotonaoki I like many, it's hard to pick just one.
Bravo. Couldn't agree more. I've always loathed when people refer to Zelda as an RPG (excluding Zelda II, of course - which interestingly I played at the same time that I also dabbled in D&D). But explaining these finer points to the majority of people sadly does little to change their mind, as they are set in their ways. Nonetheless, when you can educate a few, it's better than educating none. Keep up the good work, sir.
@TheRpgFanatic i search and found out that "RPGs rarely challenge a player's physical coordination, with the exception of action role-playing games" so for that matter zelda is a RPG and the real exp your right its in every videogame but zelda also has a very importante key in therms of RPG element that other games dont have it and that is "RPG typically rely on a highly developed story which is divided into quests" and "Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative"
Yes they did :)
@Ragmesesis Everything you read on the internet isn't necessarily true. Some people believe any fantasy videogame is an RPG. But fantasy is a narrative genre. I have a video titled, "What is a computer RPG?" which can be found in my editorials playlist that explains why Zelda isn't an RPG.
Uh, no? The quality of a game has nothing to do with the platform. Just so happens to be higher budget games tend to be released on console systems but that is how the entire video game industry is, not just the RPG genre.
I really like that you made these videos. My friend always rips the piss outta me for playing these games mainly because he is a fan of that guy on the escapist who steriotypes any RPG from Japan and hasnt a clue how wonderful alot of them can be.
Can i ask your favourite RPGs?
Mine are Suikoden 2, BOF 3, Star Ocean 2 and FF9.
@yaoilovertash I'll add "video review of computer rpg voice acting" to my To-Do list. But I'll need to acquire several games and systems I don't have, mostly Working Designs titles.
Great video, as an avid RPG player I thoroughly enjoyed it. I remember the first time I read JRPG used on GameFaqs forums. Until then I had mainly used the term RPG, as they are all classified as RPGs. I never thought of it as a racist overstatement to use JRPG. From watching this video I feel enlightened and use revert back to using RPG instead of JRPG to classify those games. Question, can I still classify SRPGs under RPGs?
@PoisonSawada Dragon Slayer wasn't a console-style rpg. Tower of Druaga isn't a computer rpg.
@Rich9837 Radia Senki for the Famicom.
@BurntHighMe Thank you.
@TheRpgFanatic Wow I haven't met anyone else besides me who has actually played Azure Dreams much less liked it. You sir have +10 cool points from me =P
Also great video.
great history lesson! i'm really glad i watched this because I was wondering the difference between "jRPGs" and "wRPGs". I guess those aren't even the correct terms. Thanks again for the clarification!
FUCKING A MAN! What an awesome collection of videos. Subbed
Good video but you overlooked Falcom`s orginal Dragon Slayer, seen by many Japanese gamers as the first Japanese action RPG. Released back in 1984, from what I`ve read work on it started before the some what similar Tower of Druaga.
Yeah, calling Console RPGS- JRPGS, isnt that like calling Boarderlands a "Comic shooter" or a "Cartoon FPS"?
@Ragmesesis Link doesn't gain experience points in Zelda.....and if you want to argue that you, the player, gets "real experience' then that would make every videogame an RPG. Which would dilute the usefulness of the genre label, making it worthless
@putinblood Doesn't matter if it's a "slang term". The point is IT'S RACIST. The term was invented by Western game reviewers who HATE certain games like the Final Fantasy series. The term does not describe game mechanics, only superficial things like art style.
I have a recent video that answers this question. Please check out my "Top Funny Moments from The RPG Fanatic Show" video.
@Blasingame0 Yes, strategy rpgs are still computer rpgs.
@Silvererazor You've missed the entire point of these videos. It is because people DON'T know what actually defines these games that the label JRPG is meaningless. The same goes for anime; it's not a genre, it's just an industry. Your argument is basically that it's okay for people to be ignorant, when it's actually not.
Okay okay okay, I want you to listen to this.
You said that "console-style RPGs" and "PC-style RPGs" can be released on either console OR PC, and they get their names from the fact that, during their origins, that's where the games primarily originated. Uh... isn't that EXACTLY the same reasoning as calling it a JRPG or WRPG?
0:23- What game is that? Looks fun.
What games are those at 1:54 and 1:58???
@TheRpgFanatic i have to say your right but still the legend of zelda is a special case i think of it as an action rpg and for me the exp you gain in the game you gain in a special way its the player not and not link who gains exp fighting monsters and so i hope you try to get my point but yes its not a typical rpg
I can't remember the first time I saw the label 'jrpg' in print, but i do remember it striking me as contradictory and a tad pejorative. now it seems to have been accepted into the gaming language, which is a shame for the reasons you've so thoroughly outlined.
do you understand what I'm trying to say though?
@TheRpgFanatic i just saw that video and i guess i have to say zelda is an action adventure with elements of RPG do we have an agreement lolol
Do you think that PC rpg's are inferior in general ?
@yaoilovertash I agree unless the voice acting is absolutly fantastic id rather read the conversation
If you have a character to play, that is a role playing game, that is like the most basic thing ever in role play, you ROLE PLAYING as a character.
This is the same argument as someone saying that a truck is a car because they both have motors and you drive them. Roleplaying videogames as a genre have game mechanics of D&D because that is how the genre originated. Otherwise every game would be an RPG and they are not.
Check out my video, Top moments of The RPG Fanatic Show. I list them all in the intro.
Never nice video. But sadly I dun think they journalist from mag would ever admin that they got things mixed up.
nice explanation . Why do we flame each other about genres and useless thigns and DONT just play and have fun with the games ?
Good videos, but I'm still doubting about the Zelda's argument, the mechanics don't define the genre and it's not the same that Super Mario Bros, it feels really different. I'm not saying that The Legend of Zelda is an RPG (I'm not sure if it can be classified as one, maybe there is not correct answer).
I'm not sure Japanese is a race...
I'm noticing that you come off as very authoritarian, with a pretty strong "holier than thou" attitude. I'm not the only one who thinks this or has made comments like that.
A really good indication that you're going in the wrong direction is when you start requiring approval for all comments. You're getting legitimate comments about how you sound like a jerk, but instead of listening to them, you start to isolate and crack down on free expression on your videos. I just can't subscribe to that
Racist? Oh Jesus, calling console style Japanese as slang when said style was created in Japan. I suppose calling crepes French is racist too. You make a brilliant video but submerge yourself with utterly foolish comments. More whiny idiocy from political correct folks, aka those who invent crap to shine about and invent causes to pass time.
Great video, as an avid RPG player I thoroughly enjoyed it. I remember the first time I read JRPG used on GameFaqs forums. Until then I had mainly used the term RPG, as they are all classified as RPGs. I never thought of it as a racist overstatement to use JRPG. From watching this video I feel enlightened and use revert back to using RPG instead of JRPG to classify those games. Question, can I still classify SRPGs under RPGs?