I would looooveeee you to make a video on the design process of one if these projects! From sketches to 3D modeling and the tests before the final product!! 🙌🏻
I’d think about long bristles still. I had a shoe like this and I do a lot of small projects. When the shoe was near the edge I had dust fly through the gap. Better air flow and no router fan blowing chips will make your setup work better than mine did near the edge of the workpiece.
What I did was just glue a piece of scrap packaging crate wood on the top so you can surface that and it doesn’t overhang the cutting area. That way there are also no screws that you could hit.
Just an idea, you could add a couple of magnets to the top of the flexible boot and the tapered seat on the spindle to maybe help with always creating a good seal there. Doesn't look like it was an issue for you but thought it was worth mentioning. Nicely done!
The way all of it is explained is so simple and intuituve, but as a ME student the amount of engineering coming from a single person for such a project is truly astounding! Indeed it it satisfying to see 3d printed parts and cnc mashined parts working together, and the final quality of the product is just otherworldly. Excellent job on the project!
Nice design. Here's a couple of issues where this dust shoe will have collisions: 1. toolpaths for 3D reliefs that are taller or deeper than your dust shoe's Z clearance - i.e. The cutter moves higher and lower than the shoes clearance will allow relative to the top of the workpiece (like if you were cutting a tall mountainscape using a short bit) 2. Workholding clamps will collide when holding a small workpiece
Great video, I used a dust shoe like this for a long time, there is only one problem with it, you can't make those really cool time lapse and smooth cnc cutting shots. I still use something like this when surfacing, but most of the video I shoot uses simple spindle mounted dust collection.
I see you've already gone up 1,000 subscribers since editing this video. Here's to 300k! I enjoy your content. I might never have the equipment, but it sure is fun to see the process you go through. -Guy with a bunch of Ryobi woodworking tools
I've recently been turned on to 1/8" compression bits for cutting plywood and other sheet goods. It'll run full depth one pass, no tabs needed since it will pack the chips into the slot. I'm not going back. Pretty cool design for a dust shoe. Gives me some concepts to work with on the one I'm designing in my head.
The dust collector pipe that comes into the room you could have left short so the 90° elbow would be dead center of the table. Now all you need is a damper door so it's not pulling air when using other tools in the shop. Also you can use an Arduino and a couple of servos to open and close the damper door at the top. When you go to use your CNC machine it can turn on the dust collection system remotely (so you don't have to leave the room to turn it on if that's what you have to do) when you go to use your CNC machine the moment it turns on, it opens up the damper door at the top and turns on the dust collection at the same time automatically.
Open some ventilation up in that flexible red 3d printed collar, so, the created suction pulls air from there, to create an airflow from router to the part, then to the dust collection. Now it sucks from around through brushes, which is fine, but the volume right around router collar is dead air, fine dust can go there and stay there. Just an idea, i dont know if it is a problem worth to solve, or the solution is efficient enough, but here it is an idea.
At my old I also put together and got an Avid CNC router table running. The shoe we used was third party and the guy made them out of laser cut acrylic. Worked well and the best part was that he made the brushes and spacers magnetic so it was super easy to just take off the show and adjust the height. An issue I see with your solution is that it might be tricky to get your references with the tool touch off probe and tool changes
Looks like the best solution I have seen for this problem so far. Great job mate, I love your videos and your style. Thanks for putting all this out there for us!
Hey, that hose has metal in it. It could accidentally trip your proximity sensors on the top of your z axis in the middle of a job. I have the same brand system. I actually zip tied the hose to the top of the z axis so it could not move around it and remained in a safe place. More strain relief, and a long job may not be accidentally interrupted. Cheers!
Because of the sliding adjustability, it wouldnt be that hard to add a 'setting' where you could have the dust collection head move up and down the with the spindle should you find that necessary on a particular project. Could even be as simple as a sturdy rubber band hooked to the spindle head and the adjustment knobs left loose. As always, love the design and manufacturing processes you show. Great vid quality! Cheers from Maine, USA!
You should see if you can build a little bracket that would make it possible to mount a gopro onto the router. You could get some interesting angles of it working
I would consider adding dowels to your rails. That way if you ever needed to remove them for a very large piece, you could put them back in the exact same place.
I'm really happy to run across your wonderful channel with your pretty enthusiastic and dynamic personality and a huge amount of skills. Thank you Alexandre. It's entertaining, instructive and helpful. Great channel indeed.
Nice job!! I'll make one comment.. I have a similar style dust shoe that stays at a constant height.. I also added in a t-slot clamping system instead of screwing the work piece directly to the spoil board... In this case I need to make sure the dust shoe doesn't impact the t-slot hold downs. Just means I need to be careful on where I place them in relation to where the cuts and gantry travel will be. Obviously if you stay with the screw hold down technique then this isn't and issue, but t-slots in the end give a nice variety of hold down options...
I'd love to see a onefinity version but I guess it's never gonna happen unless you have friends with one you can beta test it on. Love the idea of a flexible tpu pipe taking up slack.
I prefer the dust shoe solution from Marius Hornberger, including the magnet-connection of the brush part. Nevertheless a great project and your workshop will be more or less dust free in the future! Thank you Alex
I'm pretty sure the 0,0 refers to the lower left corner in the drawings when placing parts in software like fusion360 or Vectric. The 0,0 corner will be in the same spot no matter what size end mill he uses. He could have used the 2" flattening bit to cut the boundaries of 0,0 but then the inside corner radius would be too big...
Your videos are such a joy to watch!! You do beautiful work (and your solutions are always so smart) and the video production is also top-notch. I keep waiting for new videos from you 😀.
I wonder if it could be a good idea to add some kind of locking/clamping mechanism on the top of that red accordion tube, make it a little longer, and have it always be up to the drill and attached. That would keep it from eventually wearing out and not springing back up, and if you need access to the bit, you can unlock it and access it normally.
I also thought about it, but then it would be difficult to reach the tool to change it. The way it is now, he can just raise the z-axis and change the bit.
Very good. I'm sure you have thought about it already but why not have your positive stop at the back incase you wanted to do tiled cncing with a full 8ft sheet
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Congratulations for this new video ! I follow a lot of maker on the Internet, and I have to say you're my favorite one ! Like your work, like your videos, like your creations... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Very nice solution, although it does limit the CNC to 2 degrees of freedom while in operation. Do you expect that you'll mainly be using it for 2D cuts?
this is perfect but only for sheet material. will not work for 3d routing with large hight difference... but i think i will give it a try on my router!
Awsome videos!! I purchased your Dust Shoe Digital file. But noticed your files are not to scale. I imported the dxf file to Vectric Aspire and noticed that the file is scaled for 15 inch thick material not 5/8 inch. I've also noticed that the scale on the stl file for example the spindle dust adapter is Z: 80 inch, X: 268.6395 inch, Y: 166.9998 inch. I don't own a 3d printer and will have a local store that provides 3d printing services print all the 3d parts for me.
Just a question could you not flatten the front edge and add the zero zero stop to the back of the table, that way if you were cutting a longer sheet you can over hang it off the front edge and still be able to cut what you needed? I dont know if that is something you can do I dont own a CNC so just thinking out loud, great videos by the way
Wouldn't it be better to have the 0,0 stop at the wall end of the table? That way you would be able too insert bigger sheets, albeit with it sticking out in the workshop? Would pretty much allow for cutting sheets that are double the table size.
Now that you have it surfaced, zero on the spoil board and adjust for the nominal thickness of your work sheet. (If you zero on the top of the work sheet you will be forever resurfacing the spoil board unnecessarily whenever the nominal thickness is not accurate.)
Hello Alex! Thanks for your great work! If you could provide a little more info on your TPU print settings? Wall thickness, nozzle diameter, you mentioned 45deg angle on the design right? It seems to compress well, how about expanding, works ok too? I plan on using it for my mill and lathe! Cheers
@@ZrubekFamily What? No it's not. I grew up with the standard/imperial system and it is fundamentally arbitrary. 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 1760 yards to a mile. You buy land by the acre, which is 43,560 square feet.
Alex, you are a genius. I know I'm way behind here, but I'm just starting out at the age of 66. My aspirations are on a small scale and I'm wondering if your "dust extraction system" could be scaled down in some way and achieve the same end?
Pretty well designed. I guess you're a designer aren't you? Strange that this post earned less than other average reviewers' dealing with the same topic... I'm glad that there are a bunch of your posts left to watch. That'll make great weekends.
Do your files account for the bit you had to cut off with the band saw? No big deal either way, just need to know if I have to modify that prior to cutting it out.
Should've put your registration slightly outside of (0,0), because now the screws you would use to secure the plywood are now within the cutting area... But then you wouldn't be able to cut through to the edge of the plywood, so tradeoffs, I suppose.
Some CAM software can overcut the inside corners automatically to provide the relief for a fully square tab to insert. I do it manually in my CAD design with a circle a few thousandths bigger than the tool, and moving it 45 degrees so it just passes the corner by a few thousandths.
I Love it! Have you considered printing a tpu brush? Might solve a few of those challenges! Absolutely love this video, the printed bellows are a brilliant solution that i plan to replicate!
I would looooveeee you to make a video on the design process of one if these projects! From sketches to 3D modeling and the tests before the final product!! 🙌🏻
"ehehehhehewell get to that" - ALCH
yes please!
I would be SUPER HAPPY with how that video will turn out 😅
yes please
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I love how he just basically only uses his workshop to improve his workshop :D
thats the most fun part of building a shop ;)
His workshop achieved singularity.
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I’d think about long bristles still. I had a shoe like this and I do a lot of small projects. When the shoe was near the edge I had dust fly through the gap. Better air flow and no router fan blowing chips will make your setup work better than mine did near the edge of the workpiece.
What I did was just glue a piece of scrap packaging crate wood on the top so you can surface that and it doesn’t overhang the cutting area. That way there are also no screws that you could hit.
Just an idea, you could add a couple of magnets to the top of the flexible boot and the tapered seat on the spindle to maybe help with always creating a good seal there. Doesn't look like it was an issue for you but thought it was worth mentioning. Nicely done!
The way all of it is explained is so simple and intuituve, but as a ME student the amount of engineering coming from a single person for such a project is truly astounding! Indeed it it satisfying to see 3d printed parts and cnc mashined parts working together, and the final quality of the product is just otherworldly. Excellent job on the project!
Nice design. Here's a couple of issues where this dust shoe will have collisions:
1. toolpaths for 3D reliefs that are taller or deeper than your dust shoe's Z clearance - i.e. The cutter moves higher and lower than the shoes clearance will allow relative to the top of the workpiece (like if you were cutting a tall mountainscape using a short bit)
2. Workholding clamps will collide when holding a small workpiece
Oh my god, You are genius! I was thinkin about dust coolection on my CNC for an Year. And your idea is perfectly for me. God, i love you man!!!
Great video, I used a dust shoe like this for a long time, there is only one problem with it, you can't make those really cool time lapse and smooth cnc cutting shots. I still use something like this when surfacing, but most of the video I shoot uses simple spindle mounted dust collection.
More problems: you can't easily zero your Z-axis. You can't use lasers to see the bit position and easily zero X and Y.
You need a detachable system.
I see you've already gone up 1,000 subscribers since editing this video. Here's to 300k! I enjoy your content. I might never have the equipment, but it sure is fun to see the process you go through. -Guy with a bunch of Ryobi woodworking tools
I've recently been turned on to 1/8" compression bits for cutting plywood and other sheet goods. It'll run full depth one pass, no tabs needed since it will pack the chips into the slot. I'm not going back.
Pretty cool design for a dust shoe. Gives me some concepts to work with on the one I'm designing in my head.
The dust collector pipe that comes into the room you could have left short so the 90° elbow would be dead center of the table. Now all you need is a damper door so it's not pulling air when using other tools in the shop. Also you can use an Arduino and a couple of servos to open and close the damper door at the top. When you go to use your CNC machine it can turn on the dust collection system remotely (so you don't have to leave the room to turn it on if that's what you have to do) when you go to use your CNC machine the moment it turns on, it opens up the damper door at the top and turns on the dust collection at the same time automatically.
Пожалуй это изобретение надо всем производителям ЧПУ станков продавать. Александре как всегда молодец.
That dust collection system makes the cutter look badass! It’s looking like a whole industrial shop in there now. Great job on the project!
that's the nicest notification u can have
Open some ventilation up in that flexible red 3d printed collar, so, the created suction pulls air from there, to create an airflow from router to the part, then to the dust collection. Now it sucks from around through brushes, which is fine, but the volume right around router collar is dead air, fine dust can go there and stay there.
Just an idea, i dont know if it is a problem worth to solve, or the solution is efficient enough, but here it is an idea.
At my old I also put together and got an Avid CNC router table running. The shoe we used was third party and the guy made them out of laser cut acrylic. Worked well and the best part was that he made the brushes and spacers magnetic so it was super easy to just take off the show and adjust the height. An issue I see with your solution is that it might be tricky to get your references with the tool touch off probe and tool changes
So awesome seeing this channel grow from less than 50k to almost 300k. Onto 1 million soon! Keep it up Alex
Looks like the best solution I have seen for this problem so far. Great job mate, I love your videos and your style. Thanks for putting all this out there for us!
Hey, that hose has metal in it. It could accidentally trip your proximity sensors on the top of your z axis in the middle of a job. I have the same brand system. I actually zip tied the hose to the top of the z axis so it could not move around it and remained in a safe place. More strain relief, and a long job may not be accidentally interrupted. Cheers!
Because of the sliding adjustability, it wouldnt be that hard to add a 'setting' where you could have the dust collection head move up and down the with the spindle should you find that necessary on a particular project. Could even be as simple as a sturdy rubber band hooked to the spindle head and the adjustment knobs left loose. As always, love the design and manufacturing processes you show. Great vid quality! Cheers from Maine, USA!
I was really struggling to figure out how he was going to address that but your reply sounds solid enough!
You should see if you can build a little bracket that would make it possible to mount a gopro onto the router. You could get some interesting angles of it working
The idea of a flexible hose is SO genius. Why did I not think of this?!
Hooray for 3D Printing! Yes drying filament can help a lot. Great work 👍
I would consider adding dowels to your rails. That way if you ever needed to remove them for a very large piece, you could put them back in the exact same place.
flush trim bit for clearing away the tabs can be great too if you have many... great video
I'm really happy to run across your wonderful channel with your pretty enthusiastic and dynamic personality and a huge amount of skills. Thank you Alexandre. It's entertaining, instructive and helpful. Great channel indeed.
congrats for the very good solution
I now want a shop in my life, this seems like a fun project.
Very nice solution! Have you seen the one from Marius Hornberger yet?
Here is a link to his video: ruclips.net/video/IF8U8nd5oSM/видео.html
I was thinking the same thing, looks like a very similar approach, but this is more manual
Your design and engineering skills are exquisite. Always love watching your work flow.
Nice job!!
I'll make one comment.. I have a similar style dust shoe that stays at a constant height.. I also added in a t-slot clamping system instead of screwing the work piece directly to the spoil board... In this case I need to make sure the dust shoe doesn't impact the t-slot hold downs. Just means I need to be careful on where I place them in relation to where the cuts and gantry travel will be. Obviously if you stay with the screw hold down technique then this isn't and issue, but t-slots in the end give a nice variety of hold down options...
I'd love to see a onefinity version but I guess it's never gonna happen unless you have friends with one you can beta test it on. Love the idea of a flexible tpu pipe taking up slack.
Have you thought about building plexiglass walls and doors around the CNC? Similar to a 3D printer enclosure.
Alex, well done! I know what you mean about different manufacturing methods creating interfacing parts. It's really satisfying.
-Ken
Good work, maybe you can think about a rotating joint on the top connection to increase your mtbf.
Outstanding work my friend I know you have the attention of all CNC owners
I prefer the dust shoe solution from Marius Hornberger, including the magnet-connection of the brush part. Nevertheless a great project and your workshop will be more or less dust free in the future! Thank you Alex
Just oredered my first 3d printer, and I have an avid pro 4x8 foot, so I'll give this project a go :)
Great design. Would you ever add a hinge to make it more accessible?
If you’re worried about the printed dust collection shoe coming lose, you may be able to use rivits in the holes vs screws.
Awesome, Alexandre! It's much better now! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
To clarify, the corner is "zero zero" in relation to the end mill that you zeroed with., not the center of the spindle.
I'm pretty sure the 0,0 refers to the lower left corner in the drawings when placing parts in software like fusion360 or Vectric. The 0,0 corner will be in the same spot no matter what size end mill he uses. He could have used the 2" flattening bit to cut the boundaries of 0,0 but then the inside corner radius would be too big...
Your videos are such a joy to watch!! You do beautiful work (and your solutions are always so smart) and the video production is also top-notch. I keep waiting for new videos from you 😀.
Love your energy and style
Very professional, accurate and very smart work. I continue to love to follow you 🇸🇦
I wonder if it could be a good idea to add some kind of locking/clamping mechanism on the top of that red accordion tube, make it a little longer, and have it always be up to the drill and attached. That would keep it from eventually wearing out and not springing back up, and if you need access to the bit, you can unlock it and access it normally.
I also thought about it, but then it would be difficult to reach the tool to change it. The way it is now, he can just raise the z-axis and change the bit.
I was thinking rare earth magnets
Very nice design keeping the dust shoe bristles stationary in the Z axis. Hope your channel keeps growing.
love the energy and personality. greetings from Argentina Alexander
Nice project and good video, as always! 👍
Great, that You show about clearance issue between dust collector and machines spindle..
Very good. I'm sure you have thought about it already but why not have your positive stop at the back incase you wanted to do tiled cncing with a full 8ft sheet
Congratulations for this new video !
I follow a lot of maker on the Internet, and I have to say you're my favorite one ! Like your work, like your videos, like your creations...
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Ok that’s the best cnc dust collection system I’ve seen!! Nice 👍
Only took me 1 video to suscribe and now im watching all of ur videos. Amazing work!
might 'mount' the red baffle to base with magnetic ring of sort to allow it to be removed easier. I like seeing my bits do business on occasion
It’s so beautiful
you are really underrated alexandre,
your work is amazing
I do the same zero zero brackets. Makes it easy.
Very nice solution, although it does limit the CNC to 2 degrees of freedom while in operation. Do you expect that you'll mainly be using it for 2D cuts?
You know making that table surface so thick but also allow you to put some quick release lever things on the edges to hold down smaller stock.
Brilliant. That's some great problem solving.
Love it. Those 3D printed boots are beautiful!
I'm so jealous. Great job!
Hi! Did you connect all the metal conduit and the wire inside flexible pipe to the ground? It's for avoid static discharge.
So jealous of plywood quality available outside USA.
Brilliant Design!
GENIUS ! Super good idea, good video also, thanks !
I like couch next to router. Nice touch!
Keep up!
Vacuum workholding system next?
Greta design very clever my biggest problem is the dust off my cnc
First time I see this (0,0) approach and I think is great! Probably has some cons otherwise everyone else will start doing as well :D
Yeah hopefully Alex ran the bit on a x =3 and y = 3 path if he was using a 6mm cutter
this is perfect but only for sheet material. will not work for 3d routing with large hight difference... but i think i will give it a try on my router!
Very very nice design.
Awsome videos!!
I purchased your Dust Shoe Digital file.
But noticed your files are not to scale.
I imported the dxf file to Vectric Aspire and noticed that the file is scaled for 15 inch thick material not 5/8 inch. I've also noticed that the scale on the stl file for example the spindle dust adapter is Z: 80 inch, X: 268.6395 inch, Y: 166.9998 inch.
I don't own a 3d printer and will have a local store that provides 3d printing services print all the 3d parts for me.
Maybe a plexiglas divider between cnc and couch?
I like this knob, do I have to pay for the plans or can I have it separately? Unfortunately I do not have a CNC nor I need any camera sliding thingy.
keep it up have the same issues, thanks for making cool videos.
keep making more awesome videos
This looks amazing! I would love to buy these plans but we don't have a 3d printer. Is there anywhere I can buy the printed parts?
Just a question could you not flatten the front edge and add the zero zero stop to the back of the table, that way if you were cutting a longer sheet you can over hang it off the front edge and still be able to cut what you needed? I dont know if that is something you can do I dont own a CNC so just thinking out loud, great videos by the way
Amazing work, continue
Wouldn't it be better to have the 0,0 stop at the wall end of the table? That way you would be able too insert bigger sheets, albeit with it sticking out in the workshop? Would pretty much allow for cutting sheets that are double the table size.
Now that you have it surfaced, zero on the spoil board and adjust for the nominal thickness of your work sheet. (If you zero on the top of the work sheet you will be forever resurfacing the spoil board unnecessarily whenever the nominal thickness is not accurate.)
that came out great, can't wait to see what you'll CNC next!
Hello Alex! Thanks for your great work! If you could provide a little more info on your TPU print settings? Wall thickness, nozzle diameter, you mentioned 45deg angle on the design right? It seems to compress well, how about expanding, works ok too? I plan on using it for my mill and lathe! Cheers
do you have a smoke detector in your dust collector to disable the machine and dust collector if something starts to burn?
spring to flexibly extend from the ceiling
quick suck bed attach the work piece
"...in case you have to deal with the imperial system." Alexandre knows the pain of American makers.
Scrolled to the comment immediately after he said that lol.
The system that is easiest to use is the one you grow up with.
@@ZrubekFamily What? No it's not. I grew up with the standard/imperial system and it is fundamentally arbitrary. 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 1760 yards to a mile. You buy land by the acre, which is 43,560 square feet.
@@ZrubekFamily not true
Alex, you are a genius. I know I'm way behind here, but I'm just starting out at the age of 66. My aspirations are on a small scale and I'm wondering if your "dust extraction system" could be scaled down in some way and achieve the same end?
Pretty well designed. I guess you're a designer aren't you? Strange that this post earned less than other average reviewers' dealing with the same topic... I'm glad that there are a bunch of your posts left to watch. That'll make great weekends.
Do your files account for the bit you had to cut off with the band saw? No big deal either way, just need to know if I have to modify that prior to cutting it out.
I really love your videos, you inspire me and i want to make similar ones!
Greeting from argentina
Should've put your registration slightly outside of (0,0), because now the screws you would use to secure the plywood are now within the cutting area... But then you wouldn't be able to cut through to the edge of the plywood, so tradeoffs, I suppose.
you should have a bitsetter, much faster than that probe tool:) I just made one on my cnc
Fantastic video, well done
Brilliant job mate… as always 👍👍👍👍
Did you take in account the router bit width when creating the zero corner? And how is that going to affect future projects?
Some CAM software can overcut the inside corners automatically to provide the relief for a fully square tab to insert. I do it manually in my CAD design with a circle a few thousandths bigger than the tool, and moving it 45 degrees so it just passes the corner by a few thousandths.
Thats usually done in software, inside, outside or on the line cut.
It would be so cool if you would also use this machine as a 3d printer
I Love it! Have you considered printing a tpu brush? Might solve a few of those challenges! Absolutely love this video, the printed bellows are a brilliant solution that i plan to replicate!
Such great quality work!! Love this channel!!
This would work well as long as the cutting is in 2D.
Awesome videos! Love the enthusiasm too!