@@EveryPENNYonCars this sounds a little unusual but I have mine done at Lexus because the service is top notch, they use the same parts, guaranteed OEM oil and give me a hand car wash afterwards. The charge is $160. Worth it for me
@@EveryPENNYonCars I do it myself and I use the Toyota motor oil. It’s made by mobile one, but it has a unique protection package that Toyota engineers have come up with.
I did my first at 1500 miles, then I'll do it again at 5,000 (3500 miles later) and every 5000 after that. It's inexpensive to do myself in our shop at about $40 with filter. Whats also important is to use only GF-6 oil, which is the latest and most durable formula.
I was so surprised to see how much metal was in the oil in the first and second change…….I do my own maintenance and alway interested to see the pan and the glitter. Or lack of.
You won't have to worry about "debris left in your engine" if you stick to 10K mile oil change interval, it will grenade all on it's own.. It really won't "blow" probably, just experience shorter life and probably see oil consumption early.
@@jonc2914 Maybe so, but my guess is he was putting 10K on the oil within two months, which will probably work with quality oil, but 10K on the oil at 6 month intervals, or more, don't count on it.
I have a 2011 with the 5.7 every 5k like clockwork. 215k no issues. always dealer serviced. It cheap insurance. 10k is just way too long on any vehicle.
Had an 08 tundra. It lasted til 227,000. Got a 07 now with 189k keeping fingers crossed. Do oil at 4-5k with 0w20 Castrol. Manufacturers say 5w30 is ok as well. Drive it daily. When I go out of town on long trips I take my bmw 430i. It's been more dependable.
IMHO what your doing by collecting oil samples is the proper step to take with the known issue with the Tundra 3.4L V6. Keeping tabs on the oil condition should show a trend on the condition of the engine and if any problems are looming in it's future.
@@vitkobylka6432 This is just a guess on my part but I would not be surprised if Toyota would incorporate taking an oil sample as part of the process of figuring out what engines are showing signs of contamination as part of the diagnosis of a potential early engine failure.
Your oil is no longer 0W20. 6.2 centistokes puts it into the 0W16 category. If you’re going to perform longer oil change intervals, step up to 5W30, especially during Summer months.
@@vitkobylka6432 incorrect thinking. I’m not suggesting 20W50. Any modern engine will never fail because you put 5W30, especially if you operate above 100 Celsius. Do as you like of course, but there is so much validated data proving that 5W30 is the ideal viscosity. All I am suggesting is that if you run 5W20, do more frequent oil changes than 10,000 Km, especially if towing or running in hot conditions.
Ove drove my 22 tundra from to NY 3 times. No issues. I have a feeling this whole recall thing wont be a lot of them affected. It does suck and i feel bad for those affected
You can argue that a 10,000 mile oil change the oil might be fine but the filter won’t. In my owners manual on a V6 Camry it says 10,000 as well but it says use a severe schedule if you do a lot of stop and go or you’re in extreme climates then you should do 5000. Also, if you do any towing.
See Car Care Nut RUclips channel. He’s a certified Toyota mechanic! He says change the oil at 5000 miles not 10,000! Turbocharged engines put a lot of heat stress on oil. If I owned a third gen Tundra I would probably change it every 3000 miles for the first 5 oil changes just in hopes of flushing out any manufacturing debris before it destroyed the engine! Oil changes are cheap! They pull the cabs off of these trucks to change the engines. They also only replace the short block. This means they have to reassemble the whole top end of the engine and put the cab back on. If this happens I hope you have a top notch mechanic! Sounds like a good possibility of subsequent problems! Of course you can always buy an F150 with a Coyote engine. 😂
Last time I took my vehicle to Toyota was my 2020 Tacoma for an oil change. A few days later my skid plate was hanging on the driveway because they didn’t tighten the bolts. Only one was left, I called Toyota and told them to drop new bolts at my house and never went back. So much for Toyota service, they’re still humans who make mistakes. Changing your oil early obviously won’t hurt your engine but saying changing at recommended intervals is bad isn’t very accurate either.
I did my oil change on my 2023 non hybrid at 800 miles then again at 3000 and I’ve been doing 10k since. I currently have 36000 miles and running great. I have noticed while watching RUclips videos that some of these tundras at driving rpm are showing oil pressure at the 1/4 mark on the oil pressure gage. At proper engine temp mine shows a needle’s width below the 1/2 mark as does a friend of mine. I know I’d be freaking out if oil pressure was at the 1/4 mark. Knowing that oil pressure and oil film strength are paramount to zero contact of bearings to crankshaft. Maybe the engine oil pressure is a starting point of discussion and consideration to early bearing failure? My tundra is in the recall notice range (Jan 2023 build date) so I’m expecting a letter very soon.
Anyone who goes over 6k is foolish. Manufacturer says 7k or 10k cause they know engine will fail after warranty is up. they are in business to sell new Auto's and parts..
How can you take this channel seriously when you’re telling people to change a twin turbo engine’s oil at 10K miles! I suggest anyone that agrees with this guy to find the “Car Care Nuts” channel and watch the video about turbo engines and oil! Every single vehicle is run at extreme conditions and oil should be treated that way! The “Car Care Nut” is a certified Toyota Master mechanic, not just some clown that pretends to know what he’s talking about!
That’s a little harsh considering that’s what the manufacturer suggests and considering most modern cars are now turbo and are at the same intervals and have been for years such as bmw, Mercedes, etc. car care nut is a technician not an engineer and hasn’t performed extensive lab tests to determine longevity etc.
Given it is a hybrid and using analogy with prius- prolonged oil change intervals lead to accesive egr clogging. Probably 5-6k would be great to change oil in case you plan to keep it for 200-300k miles.
It only recommends that if your use is perfect. If it is really hot or cold, or dusty or shorter trips that is considered extreme and Toyota does not recommend 16000km interval. Like other commenters have said it is cheap insurance to do it sooner. And in Canada with the weather our conditions are considered extreme!! Do as you want though
Maybe you found something. Silver alloy bearings can't be used with oils containing zinc ZDDP oil additive. The zinc will destroy the bearing. Interesting the part number of the replacement bearing has changed. Note aircraft engine oils don't contain zinc.
Yeah, the presence of metal material is extremely normal and that’s why you want to do a early break-in oil change because all that metal is circulating through your turbo chargers, and through their bearings and everything else. People don’t understand you gotta change your oil at a bare minimum 1000 miles, then another oil change at 4000 miles. After that if you’re nuts and you don’t care of course go to 10,000 miles ha ha ha but the early early oil changes have to happen and it’s just completely bonkers that manufactures don’t state other than BMW.
You should post the dealership name so people will stay away, technically that oil is yours and you should have the right to do what you want with it!!
Yours will eventually be recalled. The only reason they did not recall the hybrid is because it can keep moving if the engine ceases up, so it is not considered a safety issue.
I use full synthetic for my 2012 Tacoma and change oil every 6-7k miles.. if you are towing heavy then change them every 5k assuming it’s full synthetic
Hybrids are affected too but it’s hard to see the ratio at this point. There’s a lot less hybrids so still remains to be seen but there has been hybrid failures
Don’t stress the 10k oil change deniers. They’re like a cult. The people who made the truck recommend 10k, the people who make the oil say 10k the people who make the oil filter say 10k the people who analyze the oil say looks good after 10k!
Any brand new vehicle should have its oil changed after 1500 miles. Then 4K to 5k after that. Unless you have a 3 year lease and plan to replace it after that.
Good question considering I don’t even pay for them. I’m not going to skimp but not taking half a day out of my life every 2-3 months to maintain a vehicle that’s supposed to go at least 6 months between service.
I can't understand how people are willing to spend $60k and up on a brand new vehicle and then decide to cheap out when it comes to oil changes/maintenance. Any reputable mechanic will say roughly the same thing, 3k working miles or 5k highway miles oil change intervals. By extending your oil change intervals you'll save yourself 1 or at the most 2 oil changes per year at the expense of possible premature engine wear. Especially on an engine already issuing recalls for wear damage. Owners manual oil change interval recommendations are a marketing gimmick to trick people into buying vehicles they are told cost virtually nothing to maintain. Owners manual recommendations will get you through your warranty and that's it. After that manufacturers don't care. I hope you don't believe in lifetime transmission fluid and differential fluid. Change your fluids often and early.
@@EveryPENNYonCarsMaybe Toyota should include free oil changes for life, for said vehicles??? If they're willing to chance 10,000 mile oil changes. Good luck guys 🤞
SINCE WHEN IS A OIL SAMPLE STANDARD PRACTICE NOW? IT'S NOT...THESE NEW TRUCKS ARE SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT , NO ONE SHOULDBE BUYING AT ALL... ALL LEMONS, NO RESLAE VALUE /NO RELIABILITY.. BASICALLY LIKE OWNING A CHRYSLER
There’s no oil better than fresh oil. Change every 5,000
@@sammyjammy6647 your wallet and engine will thank you 😂😂
Do you go to the dealer or yourself, if so which type of oil?
@@EveryPENNYonCars this sounds a little unusual but I have mine done at Lexus because the service is top notch, they use the same parts, guaranteed OEM oil and give me a hand car wash afterwards. The charge is $160. Worth it for me
@@EveryPENNYonCars I do it myself and I use the Toyota motor oil. It’s made by mobile one, but it has a unique protection package that Toyota engineers have come up with.
3000 if your car is over 10 yrs old
I did my first at 1500 miles, then I'll do it again at 5,000 (3500 miles later) and every 5000 after that. It's inexpensive to do myself in our shop at about $40 with filter. Whats also important is to use only GF-6 oil, which is the latest and most durable formula.
I did the same on my '24 (2k miles) Good plan!
I used Eneos 0W20 which is GF-6 rated thankfully
Same for my 2022 1794 Tundra (non hybrid).
I was so surprised to see how much metal was in the oil in the first and second change…….I do my own maintenance and alway interested to see the pan and the glitter. Or lack of.
You won't have to worry about "debris left in your engine" if you stick to 10K mile oil change interval, it will grenade all on it's own.. It really won't "blow" probably, just experience shorter life and probably see oil consumption early.
Good point
1 million mile tundra got 10k mile oil changes
@@jonc2914 Maybe so, but my guess is he was putting 10K on the oil within two months, which will probably work with quality oil, but 10K on the oil at 6 month intervals, or more, don't count on it.
@@RonRussell-sj1zf based on what? Opinion. I think engineers know more on the matter.
@@jonc2914 Oh yeah, the engineers are all over it. 10K oil change intervals are a marketing tool, not an engineering decision. But do what you want.
I have a 2011 with the 5.7 every 5k like clockwork. 215k no issues. always dealer serviced. It cheap insurance. 10k is just way too long on any vehicle.
Those 5.7's will run forever from what I hear
@@EveryPENNYonCarslol..they don't. They are decent though.
Yikes, 16,000 kilometers is a long time. Oil is cheap insurance, when compared to a a small block and labour to swap everything over.
I agree, by brain has trouble going that long, coming from the 5000 km days
Great Video! I'm going to get a sample of my oil 23 with 12K.
2nd change?
@@EveryPENNYonCars no this will be the 3rd at 15k
Had an 08 tundra. It lasted til 227,000. Got a 07 now with 189k keeping fingers crossed. Do oil at 4-5k with 0w20 Castrol. Manufacturers say 5w30 is ok as well. Drive it daily. When I go out of town on long trips I take my bmw 430i. It's been more dependable.
I heard those V8's can go a million miles
I got 83K miles in my 22 tundra SR5 TRD off road, I’m doing oil and filter change every 8k-10K with no issues. Mine is within the recall.
Thanks for the info, looks like you're safe
Wow now you gonna get a new Long Block with the Recall congrats 🎉🎉
Wishfull thinking....good luck with your truck.
I agree with Sammyjammy6647! Change oil at least every 5,000miles! Truck will last forever! PS: LOVE YOUR Tundra in the color Red/orange you have!
Awesome thanks, will definitely every 6,000 miles for sure
IMHO what your doing by collecting oil samples is the proper step to take with the known issue with the Tundra 3.4L V6. Keeping tabs on the oil condition should show a trend on the condition of the engine and if any problems are looming in it's future.
Thanks for the comment.
I agree with you but think Toyota should be doing this for owners free of charge and disclosing the information they find.
@@vitkobylka6432 This is just a guess on my part but I would not be surprised if Toyota would incorporate taking an oil sample as part of the process of figuring out what engines are showing signs of contamination as part of the diagnosis of a potential early engine failure.
Your oil is no longer 0W20. 6.2 centistokes puts it into the 0W16 category. If you’re going to perform longer oil change intervals, step up to 5W30, especially during Summer months.
Sorry could you elaborate on what you mean by your oil is no longer 0w20?
He is talking about the viscosity shearing a little to fall into a 0W16 range.
Thanks for the info
Bad advice I think for people still in warranty, if something happens to the engine Toyota has an out because you didn’t use their recommended oil.
@@vitkobylka6432 incorrect thinking. I’m not suggesting 20W50. Any modern engine will never fail because you put 5W30, especially if you operate above 100 Celsius. Do as you like of course, but there is so much validated data proving that 5W30 is the ideal viscosity. All I am suggesting is that if you run 5W20, do more frequent oil changes than 10,000 Km, especially if towing or running in hot conditions.
I agree more frequent oil changes. Toyota now has a 0W8 oil for a new Camery.
Ove drove my 22 tundra from to NY 3 times. No issues. I have a feeling this whole recall thing wont be a lot of them affected. It does suck and i feel bad for those affected
I’d really like to know if it was actually machining debris left in the block or defective bearings.
You can argue that a 10,000 mile oil change the oil might be fine but the filter won’t. In my owners manual on a V6 Camry it says 10,000 as well but it says use a severe schedule if you do a lot of stop and go or you’re in extreme climates then you should do 5000. Also, if you do any towing.
I’ll probably do 6,000 miles
See Car Care Nut RUclips channel. He’s a certified Toyota mechanic! He says change the oil at 5000 miles not 10,000! Turbocharged engines put a lot of heat stress on oil. If I owned a third gen Tundra I would probably change it every 3000 miles for the first 5 oil changes just in hopes of flushing out any manufacturing debris before it destroyed the engine! Oil changes are cheap! They pull the cabs off of these trucks to change the engines. They also only replace the short block. This means they have to reassemble the whole top end of the engine and put the cab back on. If this happens I hope you have a top notch mechanic! Sounds like a good possibility of subsequent problems! Of course you can always buy an F150 with a Coyote engine. 😂
Last time I took my vehicle to Toyota was my 2020 Tacoma for an oil change. A few days later my skid plate was hanging on the driveway because they didn’t tighten the bolts. Only one was left, I called Toyota and told them to drop new bolts at my house and never went back. So much for Toyota service, they’re still humans who make mistakes. Changing your oil early obviously won’t hurt your engine but saying changing at recommended intervals is bad isn’t very accurate either.
They have a magnet 🧲 what good is that if its aluminum
I'm at 11600 km. Haven't had time. My 22 hybrid had 60k when I traded it in though, last oil change on that was 35k 😂
Oil change frequency shouldn't be that much of a concern normally, everyone including me is just paranoid due to the engine issues.
I did my oil change on my 2023 non hybrid at 800 miles then again at 3000 and I’ve been doing 10k since. I currently have 36000 miles and running great. I have noticed while watching RUclips videos that some of these tundras at driving rpm are showing oil pressure at the 1/4 mark on the oil pressure gage. At proper engine temp mine shows a needle’s width below the 1/2 mark as does a friend of mine. I know I’d be freaking out if oil pressure was at the 1/4 mark. Knowing that oil pressure and oil film strength are paramount to zero contact of bearings to crankshaft. Maybe the engine oil pressure is a starting point of discussion and consideration to early bearing failure? My tundra is in the recall notice range (Jan 2023 build date) so I’m expecting a letter very soon.
I keep an eye on my oil pressure and it’s always around the half way mark, would definitely be concerned if it was low
My 22 is always at the 1/4 oil pressure mark. I got 83K miles on it with no issues
Would be nice to see an analysis of oil on a blown engine for comparison, I wonder if there is one out there. A Tundra engine, not just any engine.
"Oil is cheaper." Even my Toyota dealership recommends 5k instead of 10k.
Thanks for the info
Anyone who goes over 6k is foolish. Manufacturer says 7k or 10k cause they know engine will fail after warranty is up. they are in business to sell new Auto's and parts..
How can you take this channel seriously when you’re telling people to change a twin turbo engine’s oil at 10K miles! I suggest anyone that agrees with this guy to find the “Car Care Nuts” channel and watch the video about turbo engines and oil! Every single vehicle is run at extreme conditions and oil should be treated that way! The “Car Care Nut” is a certified Toyota Master mechanic, not just some clown that pretends to know what he’s talking about!
That’s a little harsh considering that’s what the manufacturer suggests and considering most modern cars are now turbo and are at the same intervals and have been for years such as bmw, Mercedes, etc. car care nut is a technician not an engineer and hasn’t performed extensive lab tests to determine longevity etc.
Given it is a hybrid and using analogy with prius- prolonged oil change intervals lead to accesive egr clogging. Probably 5-6k would be great to change oil in case you plan to keep it for 200-300k miles.
Good advice
Youl think 3000 to 5000 mile is over kill? Tell me how good the turbos are doing at50 to 60 thousand miles.
3000 is overkill for sure
It only recommends that if your use is perfect. If it is really hot or cold, or dusty or shorter trips that is considered extreme and Toyota does not recommend 16000km interval. Like other commenters have said it is cheap insurance to do it sooner. And in Canada with the weather our conditions are considered extreme!! Do as you want though
I’ll do every 6,000 miles 10,000 kms most likely
I personally do every 5000 to 6000 km on my Tacoma and 4Runner
Maybe you found something. Silver alloy bearings can't be used with oils containing zinc ZDDP oil additive. The zinc will destroy the bearing. Interesting the part number of the replacement bearing has changed. Note aircraft engine oils don't contain zinc.
Yeah I saw that part change info, kinda puts that leftover machining debris story irrelevant
Yeah, the presence of metal material is extremely normal and that’s why you want to do a early break-in oil change because all that metal is circulating through your turbo chargers, and through their bearings and everything else. People don’t understand you gotta change your oil at a bare minimum 1000 miles, then another oil change at 4000 miles. After that if you’re nuts and you don’t care of course go to 10,000 miles ha ha ha but the early early oil changes have to happen and it’s just completely bonkers that manufactures don’t state other than BMW.
I wanted the dealership to get me sample from mine at the 10,000 mile change (change 2) and their manager refused.
Damn stealership
Of course he would. he is afraid of opening a can of worms.
You should post the dealership name so people will stay away, technically that oil is yours and you should have the right to do what you want with it!!
@@vitkobylka6432 Roswell Nm Toyota. Only Dealer within 80 miles of me unfortunately. The next one is Hobbs which is 80 ish miles one way.
Did you change the oil at 5k or the factory recommended 10k maintenance?
I did at 6,000 miles
@@EveryPENNYonCars do you recommend i do my first oil change at 6k or 10k
People who do 10 K oil changes are great after warranty customers. And the very 1st oil change should be done around 500 to 1K miles .
Thanks for the comment
Yours will eventually be recalled. The only reason they did not recall the hybrid is because it can keep moving if the engine ceases up, so it is not considered a safety issue.
Makes sense, I’m expecting it to be recalled.
I use full synthetic for my 2012 Tacoma and change oil every 6-7k miles.. if you are towing heavy then change them every 5k assuming it’s full synthetic
Thanks for the comment
No way I’d drive 10,000 miles between changes. NO way.
No one said I CHANGED OIL MORE OFTEN AND IT failed my engine. NEVER.
Have you ever owned a newer BMW or Mercedes?
it sounds like maybe the non-hybrids are more at risk?
Hybrids are affected too but it’s hard to see the ratio at this point. There’s a lot less hybrids so still remains to be seen but there has been hybrid failures
Don’t stress the 10k oil change deniers. They’re like a cult. The people who made the truck recommend 10k, the people who make the oil say 10k the people who make the oil filter say 10k the people who analyze the oil say looks good after 10k!
Haha thanks, it’s amazing how well these people take care of their vehicles.
Any brand new vehicle should have its oil changed after 1500 miles. Then 4K to 5k after that. Unless you have a 3 year lease and plan to replace it after that.
Fuel in the oil is not good. It washes away the oil film
yep
Why would you spend $70K on a new vehicle and be stingy to save $100- 150/yr skimping on the oil changes?
Good question considering I don’t even pay for them. I’m not going to skimp but not taking half a day out of my life every 2-3 months to maintain a vehicle that’s supposed to go at least 6 months between service.
I can't understand how people are willing to spend $60k and up on a brand new vehicle and then decide to cheap out when it comes to oil changes/maintenance. Any reputable mechanic will say roughly the same thing, 3k working miles or 5k highway miles oil change intervals. By extending your oil change intervals you'll save yourself 1 or at the most 2 oil changes per year at the expense of possible premature engine wear. Especially on an engine already issuing recalls for wear damage. Owners manual oil change interval recommendations are a marketing gimmick to trick people into buying vehicles they are told cost virtually nothing to maintain. Owners manual recommendations will get you through your warranty and that's it. After that manufacturers don't care. I hope you don't believe in lifetime transmission fluid and differential fluid. Change your fluids often and early.
Thanks for the comment, I do agree the manufacturers intervals seems too long
@@EveryPENNYonCarsMaybe Toyota should include free oil changes for life, for said vehicles??? If they're willing to chance 10,000 mile oil changes. Good luck guys 🤞
10k is factory max recommendations. I’d never go 10k or more. 5k is perfect.
5k miles for me. Oil is cheap, engines are not.
makes sense thanks for the comment
10,000 mile oil changes....Big mistake.
Hasn’t happened, only 6k
That dealership was full of bs
10k oil change? I hope for your sake the truck is leased! Not a keeper!
I put a lot of money down and plan to keep this truck.
I don’t believe the metal It’s more then that
I think you’re right. It’s probably faulty bearings.
@@EveryPENNYonCars because happened two plants in the US and then Japan have the same problem definitely not metal
SINCE WHEN IS A OIL SAMPLE STANDARD PRACTICE NOW? IT'S NOT...THESE NEW TRUCKS ARE SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT , NO ONE SHOULDBE BUYING AT ALL... ALL LEMONS, NO RESLAE VALUE /NO RELIABILITY.. BASICALLY LIKE OWNING A CHRYSLER
I agree about the oil sample part, hopefully they don't turn out to be complete crap but I guess time will tell.
Such an ugly truck. Idk what got into Toyota this generation.
What’s your favourite looking truck?
@@EveryPENNYonCars don't have a favorite but I know this one isn't lol
Toyota just approved replacing all affected motors. They are doing the right thing but it’s going to cost them big bucks.