How Good Was Robin in Smash? - Ranked Super Smash Bros.
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Here's the competitive and visual history of Robin in Smash, how he changed from each game. Robin in Super Smash Bros Tier List.
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I ADORE Robin in and out of Smash, it was great to see you make a video on him/her!
Same here they’re my main in smash for 3ds and wii U &Ultimate
I absolutely love Robin in smash 4 and Ultimate. He's one of those characters that has a massive amount of potential. but there's no reason to seek that potential when easier more broken characters exist in the game. The only thing I disagree with is Levin jab. Jab should always be a way to switch to bronze so you don't burn through your levin sword to quickly.
They made Smash Robin the Speed-bane Robin build from Awakening...
Funny that you'd talk about Levin nair in such a way, I have a friend who mains Robin and feels the exact opposite way, lol. He says Levin nair and buffed arcfire are way too good compared to the rest of his kit and dumb down Ult Robin's gameplan compared to 4.
Also funny that you'd mention Levin jab/tilts, I actually modded that into the game as part of a stupid mod I made with a friend a while back. Timestamped footage if anyone cares: ruclips.net/video/WMAyO7SEleg/видео.htmlm18s
Been playing Robin loyally since 2019. She's great. Great overall concept for a fighter, and a rare but welcome sight in any Smash tournament.
Robin has always fascinated me. Such a set of unique mechanics, for better & worse. She reminds me a bit of Brawl PT - cool ideas and mechanics with a few severe downsides. also aerial nosferatu causing freefall is so bizarre, thank you for highlighting that lol
The thing I like about Robin even though I don't play the character is that they (along with Byleth) are more unique compared to the rest of the Fire Emblem characters where they use magic in their move sets instead of using their swords for most of their attacks and don't have a counter for their Down Special.
As a robin main, we use down b to land on shield, timing your spot dodge as we land on you from the air will give you a great punish. (he also only has 3 uses on this tome so you don't have to worry about it when we run out of it as we don't get it until like 12 seconds again)
I LOVE ROBIN GRAHHHHH
Female Robin is bae~😍
I feel that with how fast and strong most of the cast in ultimate are, robin with unlimited durability would still just be a mid teir (ranked 30's ish, low 40's). Like robin's moveset and physical attributes aren't so good that they deserve to be the only character that gets punish for spamming.
At the very least robin's durability should replenish over time if they aren't actively using the weapon. Its pretty stupid that purposely burning through a weapon's remaining durability just to make sure you have enough durability later when you actually need it is something you need to consider.
Love your scripts and cadence. I'm a smash boomer so it's a lot of fun watching your videos about Brawl/Smash 4 and such. Thanks for the runs through memory lane.
I remember when Sm4sh was coming out, I actually pushed more for Robin over Chrom because the character seemed like they'd have a more interesting moveset than Chrom. And in theory, I think Robin is a really cool idea. A character with powerful attacks that could only be used for a limited number of times has a lot of potential. Unfortunately, they really overcompensated with the weaknesses to the point where it feels like the character just doesn't properly function effectively.
It kind of reminds of Ganon, where they have this mindset that he needs all these major weaknesses to balance the raw power he has. But what good is power, if he can't survive long enough or move quick enough to use it. Mind you, Robin is certainly better than Ganon, but he already has so many other weaknesses to balance him out. Making him so slow just seems so unnecessary.
This I agree. I expected to be slow, like around Zelda's speed, but slowest in the game? I know Incineroar is now the slowest, but his attacks are pretty fast and Revenge let's him deal with campers to actually compensate for any weaknesses. I think Robin needs a revamp.
Who?
Arcfire isn't a zoning tool at all, it was never designed for that even in Smash 4, and any competent Robin already knows this. it's a trapping move for when you already have the advantage or to pressure opponents hanging on a ledge. **NOT** something to throw out on a whim in neutral.
You condition people with thunder/elthunder spam to be careful on approach and you can use arcfire to help zone. Obviously it's not meant to be spammed in neutral but you're just flat out wrong saying that it's not a zoning tool at all. It's the same thing with DDD and Gordo
I mean clearly Arcfire can be used for zoning, but is it the safest zoning tool, maybe not??? Saying it is "not a zoning tool" is kinda wrong because clearly Robin was designed to have multiple projectiles for different situations, is arcfire the best at everything, no its not. But saying its used for 0% of Robin's possible Zoning is kinda a stretch too.
only time im using arc fire in neutral is on ddd change my mind
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Of course you CAN use to zone and wall out opponents, it's a big reason why Robin goes even against Kazuya.
But that is not it's main purpose and the misunderstanding that it can be used so brazenly is a big reason why Robin's neutral game gets misunderstood a lot , people see the lili wall of fire and think they can throw it around like it's PK FIre.
Out of all the FE characters added in Smash I hope Robin comes back the most in future entries, hopefully ditching the ressource mechanic to finally be a viable character. He has a super cool and unic character design, and easily stands out among other fire emblem characters, in a way that doesn't feel forced like it's the case for byleth.
Marth for mascot appeal, Ike for being it's most popular character and Intelligent System favorite, and Robin for originality and uniqueness both in Smash and Fire Emblem while connecting the lore of several Fire Emblem games from Archanea to Tellius to Elibe to Hoshido/Nohr/Valla. Those are the Big 3 of Fire Emblem to me.
@@escobar9140 yeah I completely agree with that trio being the basic trio we keep in every smash games, as they also represent 3 different fe protagonist (a lord, an avatar and a mercenary).
Personally I wouldn't be against other FE rep coming back, such as bringing back lucina and roy both as marth game play variants, and I think Corrin still has an interest as displaying the transformation mechanics in FE (for that they need to be distinguished more from the basic sword gameplay), but even they shouldn't be prioritised in developement and the ultimate reps should be outright dropped imo.
Watching a great Honest Content vid about Robin when eating in a Red Robins!
I would love to have Robin being able to alternate between Bronze and Levin in some way, like tap to use Bronze and hold for Levin (kinda like Ryu's jabs and tilts).
This way you have more control on Robin's KO power and he wouldn't feel AS committal.
Robin is one of the few characters I'd say was completely made obsolete in Ultimate due to DLC. Robin's resources are so so so much worse than Hero's. Thoron does like 13 damage and KOs like 40% later than Hero's fireball
I 100% agree. I mentioned Cloud too, to a smaller extent for that reason. Who does some similar things but doesn't have Robin's lackluster speed and range. Despite his flaws, I have a softspot for Robin he's probably one of my favorite characters in Smash, but I think he could use some major buffs if there's a smash sequel with him in it.
Just how many tiers would Robin rise just with the addition of the elwind float from HDR alone?
Alone? Probably not many honestly. You would at least have float cancels which does better for your neutral and recovery but it doesn’t fix all of his issues.
He’d probs be solid mid tier as opposed to low-mid
I play a lot of smash ultimate, however I kinda suck. I am the best player I know irl, but if i went to a tourney or try online games, I lose a TON. I main Robin with Jigglypuff secondary. I just like floaty characters. How I would change Robin is increase the combo game. Right now the only combo tool Robin has is Arc Fire, which is also his second most important neutral tool, and the most important safety tool as you need to throw it on ledge before recovering to prevent characters from edge guarding. Such a reliance on Arc Fire makes the character feel impossible for the 10 (8?) seconds it is gone. Robin does get access to insane Z-drop and item throw combos, but the fastest way to set them up is use nosferatu 3 times, which is a laggy move.
I love Robin so much and I feel like a genius when everything works.
Ways I would improve robin:
- Faster Air speed
- Easier access to bronze aerials and making bronze aerials combo into eachother better.
- Making it so if a move gets interrupted during start-up no durability is lost.
- Make Robin's down throw a combo throw and give less lag on forward throw to allow to follow-up arc-fires easier
- Make robin's roll cover more distance.
- Make elwind's spike hitbox last longer.
Smash 4 Robin was super fun and my first official main (I've named a lot of profiles after my affinity for his blue alt). He was surprisingly well rounded. He had projectiles, spacing tools, combos, good jump height and air speed. And it was balanced out with slow ground speed and an exploitable recovery. Why on Earth did they nerf him in Ultimate? It's so lame.
I swear. I like Robin as a character, but Robin is the Dan Hibiki of Smash and he's a bigger joke than Pichu. Robin *NEEDS* a major revamp.
3:41 actually its the reverse the recharge takes less time when robin takes a stock its a reward for killing the opponent (so when the opponent star kos its optimal to deplete the near empty resources)
1:00 this is incorrect in smash ultimate. though fun fact robin can actually choose to not use the levin sword as robin's aerials are programed to use which even sword was used fir previous attack. since smash attacks are always programmed to use the levin sword when availible, and tilt attacks are never use the levin sword. robin can choose which to use for aerials by which grounded attack was used previously.
Remember when this was Etika's favorite character?
R.I.P. to the GOAT🙏🪽
Smash ultimate should have just given us Dread Fighter Robin 😤
Comparing these are tough because ultimate robin can use nosfer. more, gains Levin Nair and its busted ass semi spike but loses checkmate and arcthunder combos. What ultimately drives me to saying smash 4 is better is elwind having less uses and not starting with Levin at the start. Discarded tomes also do far less damage and travel slower and i think all of the moves that use the bronze sword were nerfed, including tilts. I think when compared to the rest of the cast, ultimate robin does better in his environment than smash 4 robin, but smash 4 robin is the better character when you compare the two
Smash 4 Robin>>>>Ultimate Robin. Ultimate Robin sucks😞
2:13 also false I belive wario's bite absorbs health but that may have not been implemented in brawl and started in smash 4
Robin is the 1 of 2 FE characters that get a pass from me cause of the "Sword fighter" generic playstyle. the other is Byleth. All other FE characters "except maybe roy" are just trash
I think Ike's cool too. He's the only heavy sword fighter in the game and he fights completely different from the rest of the FE squad; no sweet spots, none of all that spacing, just straight savageness. All he needs is more speed, change that NAIR back to his old one, and an update on his moves because there's still attacks he can use in FE that aren't in Smash and that new NAIR of his so trash.
Robin felt like he never meant for Smash.
look at all these goofy mfs saying "Who?" in the comments. I bet they forgot about Ridley before I typed his name in
I think it's because of UR2SLOW's Sakurai Designing series. There was always a gag concerning Robin in many of them and it's caught on quick, especially the Robin episode that came out early this year.
@@highlandave8507 ah, so unfunny gag from unfunny RUclipsr being spread around like a plague of rats. got it
This video is about WHO?
Elthunder is more for killing, especially in Ultimate where Elthunder has amazing kill power, Arcfire is mostly for ledge trapping, sometimes it can be used for a kill confirm like arcfire levin bair, arcfire ladder levin up air or even fair, and it can also be used for footstool into jab lock.
Zach why cant i post on your community post?
Robin is kinda a brain dead character in ult I will admit the meters n what not do balance him out and he is a character I really enjoy to play and genuinely think is the most creative fire emblem character they r not busted but I feel given to a really smart dedicated player they can run with any characters besides G&W & earthbound kids slow speed is rough but I main bowser in melee HDRI vers looks so fun I wish they’re item game was somehow better and more rewarding
Who?
First, great video!
Second, great video!
Third, great video!
Blue shell
Who tf is Robin?!?!?!
when robin takes stock his weapons comes faster
2:06 ERM ACTUALLY Wario's chomp
Don’t quote me on it but in brawl wario had chomp but it didn’t heal hp only until smash 4
@@mokatta17 yeah that sounds about right
Yea technically Robin is first, Brawl Wario Chomp didn't give back HP.
Do ness next plz
Who
Who?
How good was
*WHO?*
In smash
This is too much robin talk for one day
mr. Honest here really flexing his smash 4
Good video epic content
Do snake next
I plan to do Link next.
@@ZachHonest alright
Your 9 days off
WHO?
Who?
0:15 Why Robin being in smash is shocking? Should’ve been Chrom & Robin in Smash 4 tbh
Lucina isn’t as relevant in the game as the other two, never called her irrelevant, it’s just that the self insert avatar and the protagonist of the game? Lucina is 3rd at best
Ehh... Chrom is just sorta there after the first half of Awakening storywise whereas Lucina takes on a bigger role as the game goes on. That being said though Chrom should've been a DLC character in 4 rather than shoehorning Corrin in.
@@ryukami404 1.- Lucina is ehh kinda there during the first half of the game + Chrom doesn’t really get completely pushed off, he is still very relevant, leading the Valm campaign, raiding the castle and he can finish off Grima. Lucina was just present, Lucina does in fact gain more notoriety as the game advances but Chrom’s barely goes down. He is not just sorta there at all
2.- I don’t think Corrin should’ve been the DLC scrapped, but Roy and have his moveset given to Chrom, he deserves it more, he fits the moveset more + better character than Roy
Because it was leaked that Chrom was going to be in the game (we later found out Chrom was originally planned in the game too thanks to Sakurai), and then when it was not only Lucina but Robin as well, people were shocked.
The first ever choose your legends poll in feh (2017), lucina was the second most popular fe character at 42875 votes behind lyn at 49917. Chrom finished 8th 23803. Chrom had to wait till ike, roy, hector, ephraim, alm, eliwood, dimitri, claude, gatekeeper, and marth to be off the board to win.
Lucina was the face of all the advertising and the game's overall story, it makes perfect sense why she got in first.
Who?
Do Yoshi next!
Link will be next!
@@ZachHonest That will be interesting as well. Link has had some very polarizing games.
ROBIIIIIIIIIIN
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Also if my memory serves correctly there was a Levin NAir in Smash 4. IDK if it was just a bug which was eventually patched, as I never knew how to do it by command, but I vividly remember seeing it, at least on the 3DS. Am I crazy?
Levin Nair didn’t exist in Smash 4 ever.
Nair was just good.
How Good Was WHO in Smash? Who is featured in this video?
UR2Slow fan?
Great video but there's just one problem, nobody cares about robin.
ROBIN IS COOL BE QUIET RAAAGGHHH‼️‼️‼️‼️WTF IS LEVIN SWORD AT THE START OF A MATCH🗣🗣🗣🗣‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@@pigeonleader TL:DR 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@pigeonleader If it wasn't for that stupid sword and the annoying ass projectiles, I wouldn't hate robin so much.
Keep yourself safe
@@trashylookingmarioit’s not even that, he’s just literally the most irrelevant fire emblem character in the game in every conceivable way