This is Why you Need your Instrument Rating
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2014
- Routine IFR training flight with my instructor Matt out of Skill Aviation at Waukegan in January 2013. The weather was VFR with forecast to remain VFR for the rest of the day.
While practicing some approaches nearby at Burlington (KBUU) we noticed the weather deteriorating significantly and decided to head back to Waukegan.
The situation got quite hairy with several airplanes wanting to get back to Waukegan VFR or SVFR and several others filing a pop-up approach into Waukegan.
We finally received our IFR clearance into Waukegan and flew the ILS 23. This was an amazing lesson for me on how the weather can turn ugly and bite you when you least expect it.
If you didn't have an instructor on board or were instrument rated and current what would you do? Wait time for SVFR was minimum 20 minutes and the weather could deteriorate even more.
This is why you need your instrument rating folks. Call Skill Aviation if you are in the Chicago area. www.skillaviation.com. They will get you up and going. 
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Instructor: "Ok, you can take those foggles off now. This shit just got real."
Damn that landing was so nice you can barely determine when it touched down.
+Josè Brid I was waiting for the touch down until I realized that he landed seconds ago lol. That was great
My instructor was a savvy older pilot who'd flown and instructed in military service (bombers) and was very particular about learning safety and emergency procedures. He also advocated all students to continue training to get the IFR rating even is they did not intend to be an IFR pilot for just this sort of reason, and spent more time teaching the essential IFR skill to his students before allowing cross country flights solo.
His care saved my life one day on cross when I flew into an unexpected and unforecast dark thick something and made the 180 to get out almost instantly with full attention on the instruments. I was too inexperienced to be sure what it was but as I got some distance I had a quick look and it seemed to spread out lower down and cover a significant portion of the valley floor ahead (now beside and behind) me...I canceled the cross and went back home wondering how I had missed seeing it earlier. The experience made me a more careful and aware pilot.
To answer your question, had I been flying in your situation's conditions with a wait time ahead of me, as a VFR pilot with a little IFR experience, I would have declared an emergency, gotten my inexperienced butt on the ground and out of the way fast, and taken the heat from the FAA. Better alive and not putting anyone else in danger than the alternative. :)
Crazy - can you imagine how scary that would have been if you didn't have the IR instructor on board allowing you to switch and file IFR to land via the ILS?
I wonder how it turned out for the poor VFR guy behind you, asking for special and being told it would be a 20 minute delay.
How low was that vis on short final? looked like 1.5 miles or less - must have been a relief to see those runway lights show up through the snow!
It would have been VERY scary and I would had probably diverted VFR somewhere to the northwest or west or maybe Chicago Executive which was still VFR and wait it out.
It all turned out ok for everyone that day after all. The vis was about 1.5 at the time when I landed and actually got worst a bit after. And yes it was definitely a relief to land safely.
Happy Skies!
Just saw this video from a few years back, and wow! I wouldn't have wanted to be one of the ones requesting a special in such deteriorating conditions. As Steve alluded, glad you had an instrument instructor on board. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, seeing the rabbit gives you that warm feeling that matches the warm feeling you get from wetting your jeans...
I'm a commercial multi engine instrument rated pilot and haven't flown for over 10 years because of service connected injuries I sustained while serving in Iraq. I've have 6 back surgeries and and taking narcotics for pain. Recently I have flown with an attorney friend of mine doing approaches into KRFD and just like this video clouds came in and just like that instant IMC. I have over 600hrs of actual logged IMC time but over 10 prior. When we hit the clouds I actually started to hyperventilate because I looked out the wind screen and then out the door window. With over 4200hrs total time or 27 years of flying I have never been scared like I did that day!! This is a good video, wow brings back of what could have happened if you didn't have an IFR rating. Thanks for sharing your time and video!!
Av8tore71 first of all thank you for your service and giving your time and your sacrifice for our freedom! I’m glad you enjoyed the video, and indeed it was a scary moment for me too... thanks again!
Thank you for sharing your experience
Maintain VFR? Don't forget the magic word, Unable. You can't do what you can't do
345TZ, maintain above 2200. "unable". 345TZ, maintain above 1000? "unable". 345TZ don't hit the ground? "unable". 345TZ.... next of kin please...
Must have felt good to see those approach lights.
What an excellent video! I cant Believe how fast the weather deteriorated, and then to top it off, due to other traffic, atc wouldn't let you go back immediately, and while doing 360s the visibility got even worse! you handled it very nicely.
And the landing was just about the smoothest i have ever seen! I kept waiting and waiting for a little bump on touchdown, but the plane started slowing to taxi speed, and i was like, wow, he is already on the ground!
Stay calm and trust your instruments. My CFI always told me.
And that is how it's done. Great vid. Handled it smoothly and professionally. Great example of how and when you'll need a pop up ifr clearance. I applaud you, awesome.
Smooth landing.....I kept waiting for a little jolt!
4:46 - pretty scary, 6:46 - the happiest sight on Earth. I’ve watched a number of VFR into IMC videos the last few weeks but this is the best I’ve see yet in terms of showing what the pilot experiences and why it’s so disorienting. Thanks for posting.
Such a smooth landing...
Superb ... great flight and landing 🏁🙏🏼
That boy landed like a butterfly with sore feet. I'm not sure if he actually landed or just remained in ground effect until shut down on the ramp.
Another really brilliant video Niko, and great ADM. In a similar situation, made me get my IFR Rating. I'd fly with you anytime. You're an Ace.
Love that white on red!! Nice landing in TOUGH conditions.
Smoooth. I was looking to touch-down shake and could not detect it, I had thought that you were floating, Sweet transition to terrestrial.
Thanks for the tips you have provided here.
Those conditions are just unbelievable. Good flying.
Wow! that was smooth piloting. Nice job..
7:45 - Marker beeps - Matt: "Shut the fuck up."
rofl
Lol sorry to all about that, I didn't catch that during final edit. The autopilot was set to 200 feet AGL and it was warning me that I was more than 200' below the setting. Annoying especially during the final seconds.
nikolaki70 I liked it.
WestAirAviation lmao same
Very cool and thanks for the video. The rabbit is always a comforting sight when flying an approach to minimums and is reassuring this instrument stuff really works! I admit I have found myself in these snowy conditions VFR and chose a 180 to be the better part of valor. Thanks again, like your videos.
The entire flight was awesome! I was really into this video. I was in something similar but I didn't have to worry about the ice because It was during the summer. But outstanding decision making! Stay safe and Aviate!
Thank you Sir!
Just saw the video excellent airmanship
Hey, I live in WI! Happy flying!
Amazing landing! I've been procrastinating my IFR rating here in Canada. I'm going to get it going!
Thanks my friend. I think it's the most important rating. Take care.
Wow! Can’t wait to do my IFR! Good job
Yeah, I think this makes the point. Thanks for posting.
Perfect landing, wind 230 at 13.... How sweet it is! Nice flying.
Great Landing!!!!
Excellent. Not just the landing as mentioned many times already, but also the "calm, cool, attitude of the crew on board. The one thing I would mention though is that neither of you offered the other a cup of coffee to enjoy that calm, relaxing flight with. :)
Well done. Personally, ida crapped. No IFR other than what is required for PPL at this point. A little for my biennial and that's it. I've been aching to get in and get it done. this helped reinforce the importance. Thanks!
Thanks Dan. Get started my friend. You won't regret it. Thanks for watching!
Very nice. Brought back a lot of freezing & icing memories of '77 in Chicago. Flying Beech 18s for the old Emery Air Freight. Over & Back by Wild Bill Callahan on Amazon.
Very nice! I would upload a short flight from A back to A if I had made such a sweet landing, too! That was undetectably smooth.
That moved in quick. And there was a guy behind you on SVFR too. I can't imagine how relived you were when you saw the runway lights.
Great approach, thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching
Nice call on choosing to get an IFR clearance from the air as soon as you see the weather deteriorating. I like this guys conservative flying style. He doesn't wait to call on the resources to make the flight safer. This same situation has happened to me on several flights. The weather forecasting is not to be relied on, especially when it is marginal IFR from the get-go.
Nicely done!
wow just saw this amigo. Nice progress to where you are today. Amazing. I start my IFR early spring.
Go for it and don’t stop
I'm a couple years late to the party, but enjoyed the video, still. Nice job. I wondered if you took the foggles off. Evidently, you did.
Classic example of exactly HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE - very well done sir.
Thank you Sir!
nikolaki70
Your very welcome, have you offered this to flight schools as a part of the ground training curriculum ? It brings this potentially lethal situation home to students far better than any lecturer could..
Good point Ian.
Maintain VFR for now. "Uh, I wouldn't be contacting you if it was that easy!!!" lol Great video and great flying. It's crazy how quickly things can change.
Flying ifr seems like such a beautiful process. I will do that rating this Fall. Great video, thanks for posting!
Best of luck with your rating work.
How did it go, Jorge?
Haha amazing to receive a reply all this time later...thanks for your message...I completed the rating as scheduled and went on to work as a commercial pilot (first air ambulance and currently a regional airline). I’ve flown turbo props and jets already. In my short career I can even say I’ve already experienced a down turn in aviation as we currently go through the covid19 pandemic, but this too shall pass and better times will come again. Aviation has been very good to me and in return I am committed to spend the next few decades of my career returning the favour.
@@jorgeeherrera i'm really glad to hear that. I'm pretty young but I want to start working towards saving up for my PPL and CPL. Your words are very encouraging. (: Do you have any advice for an aspiring pilot?
smooth landing,cool
I am your basic sport pilot before there was such a thing (daytime VFR only), but my brother is a 9000 hour pilot with every rating except CFI, ATP and pure jet. I've flown hard IFR with him and was always happy to be right seat.
Hard IFR is definitely lots of work and you must be on your game. Not much room for error there... Thanks for the post!
nerves of steel and balls that make chuck norris jealous. you mention 1.5miles on short final. i was looking out window and thinking not even one. some amazing work my friend. with nerves like this youw could write your own check lol
This starts like so many VFR into IMC videos but they didn't end at all well. I personally think every pilot should need an instrument rating to before they can fly solo.
SCREAMIN' LORD BYRON Exactly, why is this not mandatory!!! Don’t pull the cost card, money is unimportant compared to all the lives that were lost due to this.
I disagree. Most of the airplanes I fly don't have instruments that would be helpful in IMC. The key to avoiding "sudden" IFR conditions is to have safe personal minimums beyond the VFR minimums, and being aware of the weather. This was a crappy day to fly, even if it was technically VFR to begin with.
Brian, sometimes you must fly even in crappy days. For many people flying is not about getting a $100 burger at the town next door but it is about commuting to work or seeing clients. I cancelled one too many meetings because the weather was IFR and I was not rated back then. IFR helps you get where you need to go safely as long as you are properly trained, current and use the right equipment.
@@NikosWings I would say that's a very small minority for those who aren't commercial / instrument rated. If you're not trained and equipped, driving or not going should be the first answer on marginal days.
@@NikosWings To be clear, I'm not at all against getting an instrument rating, I'm against the requirement of private pilots needing it, or before soloing as was originally proposed
That was scary. Great job, especially in a small 172 :-)
I think I need to do my IFR rating as fast as I can.
You should!
Beeeep! Beeeep! Beeep! Beeep! Beeep! Shut the fuck up! LMFAO!!!!!
I love maintain VFR and there is no VFR.
Some landing !!! Never felt a bump...
Nice flight Niko! I want to start my instrument this year. I'm in AZ so we dont have much actual to work with.
Hey Chris, I love flying under IFR rules even on severe VFR days sometimes so that I get amazing flight following service from ATC. For me it feels like less work than having to worry about traffic and airspace. They route you through and around everything. I also think IFR makes you a better pilot with the a deeper understanding of the flight environment. Go for it buddy!
You did a good job. Excellent landing!
Rudolf Rönisch Thank you!
Chris Holub just remember that IFR rating is to get you out of freak weather events like this video not to fly onto the storm
No argument there. Instrument rating saves the day. Most valuable rating on my ticket... period!
#Aviation
I couldn't agree more
nice landing
Holy beegeebers. I'm sold.
greeser . any you guy see an aircraft carrier round here .. good landing sir
excellent quote... "I dunno Mav, that [cloud] (... mig) really screwed him up, I dunno if he can make it back."
This...this right here is why I recommend every PPL get an IR rating. Forecasts can change rapidly and you never know when you'll get stuck with an IFR only airport
Good video.
Dang Niko... what a landing, what a mess, Thank God you're as good as you are! LOL
Been there and it sucks. It’s not a matter of if but a matter of when you’ll go inadvertent IMC. You fly enough your going to encounter this. Also nice to have an ipad with fore flight to add to situational awareness.
what a Smooth Landing!!! Amazing Video!
Thank you Sir and thanks for watching!
Excellent response,neither of you panic, all lead to an IMC safe approach and landing
There is no room for panic. My scary moment is that Chicago Approach wanted us to stay VFR at or below 2,500 until they gave us our clearance about 10 minutes later which seemed like hours. We were flying at 1,800 MSL which was the minimum safe altitude for the area and it was barely VFR. That was scary!
This happen a while ago right?when you was on training , I had seen you fly Solo IFR at night on a DA-40.
stealhty1 Yes correct, this happened about 4 months before my Solo IFR flight. It was at the final stages of my IR training.
Beautiful landing. Though... It seems she didn't want to touch down. I'm working on my landing technique and have been dealing with that.
Oh and nice video.
Nice video , well handled . Just got my IFR in september and will be trying it out hopefully soon , however wont be going right into the low ceilings , baby steps , enroute IFR and ceilings at or above 1000ft ... baby steps .. right skyguyy? ! #KFRG
Affirmative,Aidan Beirne! Not too far down the airway after flying in the soup, you'll be winging it in 1/2SM RA BR OVC002 in no time flat. #IMC
I will definately say even with all the stress you must have felt that landing was picture perfect, I didnt even notice a bump or jostle on touchdown, good job.
I have to admit it was a good landing. Thanks buddy!
this why flying is such a thrill.
7:48 dude was salty as fuck hahaha love it
What a relief to see the lights!!
"Cessna 7VA maintain VFR at or below 2000......". Maintain VFR? I didn't see any VFR. _Just kidding_ This really is a good training video not only on circumstantial procedures, but to demonstrate what kind of trouble a VFR-only pilot can run into. Well done.
Exactly our thought, "huh??? VFR? How?". I'm glad this video helps. Thanks for watching and Happy Skies!
Dude that was an awesome IMC recovery and problem solving flight. Well done. I enjoyed watching it. I got into IMC over Idaho once like that as well. I love how ATC asked you to do a few 360's while waiting for your clearance. Fuckwads.
Yep, I should had told them "unable" but I was too inexperienced then. Happy Skies buddy!
Atc needed to maintain separation that is why the recommended 360's. I've had several occasions like this and ATC was always very helpful. It is very unprofessional to call ATC names when they were helping him out. Some day ATC may save your tail......
Nique Haupt exactly. I’m sure Niko wasn’t the only one that had that issue pop up. Without having full picture, I can only imagine that there was, perhaps, an influx or pop up ifr clearances based on quickly the weather turned. One may not agree with atc’s 360 turn, and as PIC, you have the right to decline and come up with another safe alternative procedure. Name calling ATC for trying to help, is beyond unprofessional and stupid, at best. Great work Niko.
I have interest in learning to fly. So I just contacted them and they replied with the book 8083-3a. It just arrived. If I can get through it i'll get the others and maybe I can do it !
This is a great training clip. What kind of camera are you using?
Hi my friend. Sorry for the late response here. I use a GoPro2. I'm about to upgrade to a better GoPro. The audio is all from LiveATC.
Happy Skies!
Niko
That was great experience for you. Any icing issues?
No icing. It was too cold for icing that day.
Great video showing how easily VFR pilots can get into IMC. Great job handling the situation and getting down safely.
I love the "request special".... "you are number three". Translation: everyone had the same idea at the same time.
"Greased" it on!! I never knew when actual touchdown happened...
Thank you!
nikolaki70 Got my instrument rating after about 450 hours (SEL). Hardest (and most expensive) damn thing I ever did in my life. Unfortunately, it made me over-confident to the point of nearly killing myself and my passengers on two separate occasions (weather #1, fuel #2). IFR should be for professional pilots only.
ROCKSTARCRANE Golly gee, Mr. Fireman....I wasn't berating the system, the training (mine was intensive and invaluable (even if I did screw up a couple times), or complaining about the weather. Your rant on me seemed a bit more self-serving than public serving...which may be why it never showed up here. And if it makes you feel better, I stopped flying nearly 30 years ago.
+ROCKSTARCRANE I'm sure that idiot fireman is a non-pilot idiot that doesn't know jack... You are right that instruments are serious business and you better be on top of your game! I couldn't agree with you more!
nikolaki70 Getting the IFR ticket was more a matter of pride and accomplishment for me. I never intended to go out in bad weather, but I was glad to have had the training the one time I got caught with my 'pants down'. I still maintain that this rating should only be sought by those who intend to be professional pilots and not those weekend pilots like my former self who might be tempted to take off in other than VFR conditions.
Awesome
put it on the deck- ifr I follow road. last resort but it works
You guys from Illinois? Just curious I live west of Waukegan. Loved flying into this airport back in my pilot days.
frankie may Originally from Greece but lived in Chicago for many years.
Very cool! I'm subscribing!
Like a boss
6:37
Hallelujah moment.
Amen!
Waukegan? Sounds like Lake Effect Snow?
Yeh that happened to me once. I was on my 8th lesson ...
I learned to fly at KUGN way back in the early-70s at the Navy Flying Club (are they still there?). No tower in those days, unicom only. Is Trans-Air still on the field?
BTW, very good instrument and radio procedures on your part - always nice to break out and find the runway lights beckoning straight ahead, huh? :-)
I fly out of KUGN and it's mostly Skill Aviation flight training and Stick and Rudder flight club. The FBO there does a steady private jet business and it definitely gets busy on the weekends.
This is why I refuse to get in a plane with a VFR only pilot, regardless of weather conditions and forecasts. In my state there are many VFR into IMC situations most resulting in fatalities. For 18 years i investigate every single crash and 85% are due to this one pilot error
like someone said before, u just cant do what u cant do
I agree, an Instrument rating if very useful, although outside of my training I've only ever needed to fly IFR once. The important thing to have is not only the rating, but also an aircraft with the required instruments on-board. Having an instrument rating if useless is you end up in an aircraft without a working ADF or a DME.
Agree. So to add to that, always use the right equipment for the mission at hand.
Neither an ADF nor DME are required for IFR flight.
+fiveoboy01 This may be the case, but I certainly wouldn't want to try. You can get away without an ADF, as NDB's are seldom used for en-route navigation, but I wouldn't want to get in an aircraft for an IFR flight without an OBI/RMI/HSI and a DME. This all assumes a basic nav setup, which in the UK most light aircraft have, so I'm assuming no GPS.
What I don't understand is why in this day and age pilots still use ancient technologies that make life soooo difficult in the cockpit
+GoPro Flying sure, if there's no GPS, then sure a DME is basically a must. I have a WAAS GPS and have no intention of getting rid of my DME. All I'm saying is that it's not required for IFR.
interesting to see how fast the weather deteriorated...please explain what would have most likely happened to a fairly new and VFR rated pilot... in those exact conditions ...thanks
Hi Gary, I'm afraid that without my instructor on board and my instrument training to that point I would most likely wouldn't be here right now.
One of two things would have happened. You or I would have flown too low and scud run under the weather which would be extremely dangerous and would try to move somewhere North or West away from the weather and hopefully would have made it alive.
The other scenario would have been losing control and situational awareness and end up as another statistic.
My one advice, get your instrument rating. Best thing you can do for yourself as a pilot.
Thanks for watching.
agreed...thanks much....
u greased that baby down
Pure luck :-)
hah watever lol i have been checking out your stuff man and u are a great pilot
Well thank you Sir!!!
Looked better than an air force one landing granted that its a much larger and more demanding aircraft
nikolaki70 Pure luck? dude teach me master.. my landing cessna 172 landings suck and im not even gonna tell you how much hours i have because it just makes it worse.
what do you use to record the radio onto your video?
I use my iPhone with a cable I purchased at Sporty's
The whole time I'm trying to figure out how N96VA, a Warrior based out of my airport became a Skyhawk. Then it figured it out, lol.
Sometimes I feel just like the closed captioning here. It pops up all sorts of wording where it doesn’t understand what ATC is saying and I don’t either. They either mumble or speak too fast for me or both.
I’m not a pilot yet and I’ve just been training here on RUclips. It would seem to me that from what I’ve learned so far, the tower having radar would direct you on a vector guiding you in until you see those lights. What do you do with no radar and/or no lights? Screwed?
RUclips is not a good learning tool especially when it comes to the intricacies and life or death situations flying will put you in.
Having said that, the way it works is you fly a published procedure which is called an approach and that is designed to get you down below he clouds where you can land safely. For these procedures to be available to you everything must work including radio signals and lights or they are not available to use. The fact that we were ok to use the procedures means that the likelihood of landing safely was guaranteed unless the pilot is not instrument rated and current.
I was in the final stages of instrument training and I had a very capable instructor on board.
Go get real flying lessons please and put what you have learned on RUclips to the test. You will be surprised by the complexities of it and the challenges every flight presents.
Thanks for watching
Are you already instrument rated or working on it now?
Now I am but at the time I was 2 months away from my rating. As a matter of fact that flight was flight lesson 25 reviewing my checkride.
nikolaki70 Looks like good practice! Cheers
What type of winter gloves did you have in firvtgst flight?
I think they are my lululemon brand. I just replaced them with Cirrus
So what about people who fly light sport who can’t get an IFR rating, should they do the appropriate training for IFR and (legally) use it only in emergencies?
I’m not an expert in that, but logically any IFR training is extremely valuable to be able to get the pilot out of inadvertent IMC conditions
Nice soup there!
Is the left side of that cowl fastened down all the way?
Yeah it was probably bent a bit
HAHA did I hear a "Shut the fuck up" at your throttle cut alarm there? SO funny. I do that too.
It was the altitude annunciator from the autopilot that kept beeping because we were 200' below where it was set (I had set it at the DA) so yes you heard me cursing there. I'm sorry about that, I missed it on final edit...
Oh man, don't be sorry, there's so many bells and whistles in planes today that are completely unnecessary on a daily basis. It's hard not to yell at them sometimes. The "We realize you're landing, but here's a loud beeping because your throttle is at less than 10%" is my personal enemy.
7:48 - "Shut the f.. up" good timing for distractions.
spiff3n sounds like the stall warning
Inner marker "STFU" button
That’s scary
What.? No radar vectors to the ILS in IFR ?