Thousand Needles be like "I have some water" *First Cataclysm* "Now I'm a desert" *Second Cataclysm* "I'm TOTALLY flooded" "Damn, can you give me a break?"
I'll never forget my first time travelling through the Needles, across the salt flats and into Tanaris! It was an absolutely epic experience, there I was, level 16 or 17 Nelf, being escorted to every flight path available to the Alliance in game by my friend on his 60, with a bunch of guildies! Making our way out from between the needles as we entered into the salt flats was a stunning transition which was promptly accented by every crockalisk in the vicinity honing directly towards me. Making our way south to the mountain pass and crossing into Tanaris, the sight of Gadgetzan just across the way was a more than welcome respite from the hostilities of our journey!
This is the content WoW needs but doesn't deserve... and exactly what my DnD campaign in old Azeroth could use. I love this kind of theories and assumptions, and everything that can fill the blanks in WoW lore. Kudos for making such a unique series, champ
@@Jediwarlock yes. There's a reason why so many people hated Cataclysm and quit WoW because of it. I was among those people and only returned in Classic.
I am torn, I loved the old needles, hut I genuninely like parts of the new zone, the twilight camps are cool, the alliance and tauren setting aside the official war to kill Grimtotems was cool. The ship itself with its mixed faction bar was pretty sweet. But so much was lost.
I greatly enjoyed this, excellent job. I've always been interested in the geology of WoW and theorized how notable landmarks and terrain came to be. Excited for the rest of the series!
This is great content. Thanks for posting! Thousand Needles is one of my favorite zones, and it was cool to get a breakdown of the geology of the zone and ruins. I was very surprised at how the explanation of the dig site made so much sense. I'm excited for the next one!
Found the channel not long ago and I'm going through the backlog. Doing the Wow Rocks binge now! 😀 I always saw the dark green structures in the Shimmering Flats (really fascinating area IMHO) but never thought anything of it until now, and I'll admit I got the goosebumps when you made me connect the dots.. 🤯
The way you explore the material and deduct outcomes through the chillax way is nice to listen to and learn about through the visual examples. I really like the format as it somehow made a strong impression 😉
I always thought it would be cool if the underground waterways around Kalindor were connected and maybe the Tauren used them for travel. Then blizz during Legion, in the High Mountain instance, put in a section where you ride underground water ways in barrels. I fell like blizz read my mind.
In the explanation you have given, there is something that does not match: Before the Great Sundering, the Thousand Needles were an inner part of the supercontinent Kalimdor, so the Titans could have set up another observatory to monitor life around. With the Great Cataclysm, it would have been open to the sea thus creating a distinctive shape but it remains to be known at what moment it was closed again so that the water evaporated
Untill next time, may the... Peace... 😅 I'm going through your old videos 😁 The first video I watched with you was when you started with those swimming videos I think, and my first thought was that this channel will be big 😊 I felt that from the first video 😊
It could be erosion from the rain, since rain is a bit acidic, it could've eroded the limestone, revealing the tall spires of non sedimentary rock. That's why they're sturdy enough for settlement at their summit.
What if the rock pillars were once trees? Their size and placement is identical to the forest of Feralas. First it was forest, then it got flooded (because of the Sundering I assume) then isolated and dried out. Now, what if Twin Colossals were also trees? And Thunder Bluff was a world tree, too? I know tree calcification doesn't work that way irl but it's a fantasy world with magical fantasy trees after all
That's a cool idea!! Especially with Feralas being a big jungle I always thought the term "Twin Colossals" referred more to them being trees than mountains :D
I'm from Utah, and when I entered thousand needles I laughed out loud for minutes on end. It was just like home. Then i found the salt flats... then the race cars on it and laughed all over again. FYI, there is a very active racing community on the salt flats, and local rental car contracts have a clause banning you from taking the car out there. Also Utah used to have a huge lake thats now gone, leaving the Salt Lake and Utah valleys
This is one of the things about Cataclysm that I was disappointed about; the loss of old zone designs. I had some cool times questing in Thousand Needles. I remember one night, me and a buddy were exploring that place for the first time. For some reason I still remember talking to him about how the night seemed darker in that zone, because we were deep in a valley. It was just a neat attention to detail we noticed. It kinda irks me that you can never go back and see those zones like you originally experienced them. I guess with Classic, now you can, but it's still a different game now.
Thank you for sharing that story! I totally agree with your thoughts... the "modern" Classic environment is somehow very different than the original edition! :)
Great stuff! But the body of water that lay where the Shimmering Flats now is couldn't have been a bay of the Great Sea before the Sundering... Because the Great Sea did not exist before the Sundering! This body of water must have been either a salty lake or an inland sea.
Thank you! :) Un’Goro was one of my top candidates for the first “season” of my geology videos but didn’t end up making it in… I can’t spoil a lot, but I have Un’Goro involved in at least a few “game theories” that I wanna talk about so I’m sure the zone’s geology will come up in a future video ;)
but The Great Sea was created by The Sundering, so wouldn't the rivers need to be flowing East (toward Feralas and the Veiled Sea), not West before the Sundering occured perhaps the underground tributary was fed by the Well of Eternity itself
I like those thoughts! :) I debated a lot as to the answer to that question about the river direction. In terms of ocean/lake salinity like we are seeing evidence of in the Shimmering Flats, the input streams have to be a lot more substantial than the output streams in order to keep the salt content. I agree there could be other ways of explaining how the pre-Sundering oceans fit into all this... thank you for bringing this up! I still think an inlet of the ocean could explain this area with a few changes... since Tanaris is right on the coast (even before the Sundering it could have been a maritime area) I think at one point maybe part of Tanaris could have been underwater as a section of this inlet (which connected to the Flats). Probably lots more to consider here but these are my most current thoughts on it :) P.S. In terms of Feralas, it also makes sense to me that the zone would host the continental divide in the area since players go up to the "High Wilderness" before dipping back down to the Veiled Sea. The rainfall in this zone could go to both the Veiled Sea and historically down to Thousand Needles to flow into the Flats.
How cool is that…This raceway in the desert and the rocket car remind me of the raceway from star wars episode 1, where they are competing with their podracers.
YES!! I think that is definitely part of the inspiration ;) Plus, the goblin architecture in Gadgetzan and elsewhere really does look like the sand huts/buildings on Tattooine!
Thousand Needles be like
"I have some water"
*First Cataclysm*
"Now I'm a desert"
*Second Cataclysm*
"I'm TOTALLY flooded"
"Damn, can you give me a break?"
Agreed XD
I'll never forget my first time travelling through the Needles, across the salt flats and into Tanaris! It was an absolutely epic experience, there I was, level 16 or 17 Nelf, being escorted to every flight path available to the Alliance in game by my friend on his 60, with a bunch of guildies!
Making our way out from between the needles as we entered into the salt flats was a stunning transition which was promptly accented by every crockalisk in the vicinity honing directly towards me. Making our way south to the mountain pass and crossing into Tanaris, the sight of Gadgetzan just across the way was a more than welcome respite from the hostilities of our journey!
Thank you for sharing that story! It's always fun to hear about people's adventures :)
I can't wait to see where you take this series next!
Thank you Zakary!
This is the content WoW needs but doesn't deserve... and exactly what my DnD campaign in old Azeroth could use. I love this kind of theories and assumptions, and everything that can fill the blanks in WoW lore. Kudos for making such a unique series, champ
Thank you! Feel free to use any of my ideas for part of your DnD game! :D
Yes very insightful. I prefer the Thousand Needles as they were in Classic.
Me too! I feel like a lot of the history and atmosphere was lost when they decided to just make it filled with water. No more Shimmering Flats! :’(
@@Jediwarlock yes. There's a reason why so many people hated Cataclysm and quit WoW because of it. I was among those people and only returned in Classic.
I am torn, I loved the old needles, hut I genuninely like parts of the new zone, the twilight camps are cool, the alliance and tauren setting aside the official war to kill Grimtotems was cool. The ship itself with its mixed faction bar was pretty sweet. But so much was lost.
Great video! 1k needles has always been one of my favorite zones because of how unique its structure is
Thank you! Definitely one of the most unique :)
I greatly enjoyed this, excellent job. I've always been interested in the geology of WoW and theorized how notable landmarks and terrain came to be. Excited for the rest of the series!
Thank you Rusty! I'm glad I'm finding a niche of people here that enjoy my WoW geology haha
I always thought of making a series like this, glad that someone more talented did it.
Thank you very much! I have a passion for geology and (obviously) WoW and I thought I'd give it a shot combining the two ;)
This is great content. Thanks for posting! Thousand Needles is one of my favorite zones, and it was cool to get a breakdown of the geology of the zone and ruins. I was very surprised at how the explanation of the dig site made so much sense. I'm excited for the next one!
Thank you Cheezey! That means a lot to me. :)
@@Jediwarlock I alway thought that tanaris and thousand needles base on sinai area in egypt
@@Jediwarlock you need to look on this real life area
Found the channel not long ago and I'm going through the backlog. Doing the Wow Rocks binge now! 😀
I always saw the dark green structures in the Shimmering Flats (really fascinating area IMHO) but never thought anything of it until now, and I'll admit I got the goosebumps when you made me connect the dots.. 🤯
I'm glad you're enjoying my videos, Ant! :D
The way you explore the material and deduct outcomes through the chillax way is nice to listen to and learn about through the visual examples. I really like the format as it somehow made a strong impression 😉
Thank you Inlet! I appreciate it :)
I always thought it would be cool if the underground waterways around Kalindor were connected and maybe the Tauren used them for travel. Then blizz during Legion, in the High Mountain instance, put in a section where you ride underground water ways in barrels. I fell like blizz read my mind.
Ooh that is awesome! Thank you for the comment. :)
In the explanation you have given, there is something that does not match:
Before the Great Sundering, the Thousand Needles were an inner part of the supercontinent Kalimdor, so the Titans could have set up another observatory to monitor life around. With the Great Cataclysm, it would have been open to the sea thus creating a distinctive shape but it remains to be known at what moment it was closed again so that the water evaporated
Great point! That is one part that I overlooked in the video for sure... the Great Sea definitely wasn't a thing before the Sundering happened XD
Great video
#JusticeForActMan
Thank you Adam :)
Read 'The Third Troll Legend' from the Kurzen's Mystery quest.
I'm working on a theory for those legends! :D
@@Jediwarlock Let me know if you want to exchange notes sometime!
Untill next time, may the... Peace... 😅
I'm going through your old videos 😁 The first video I watched with you was when you started with those swimming videos I think, and my first thought was that this channel will be big 😊 I felt that from the first video 😊
I'm so happy to hear that, thank you for the kind words! :) We've come a long way haha
@@Jediwarlock Thank you yourself for answering comments, much appreciated 🙂 👍
It could be erosion from the rain, since rain is a bit acidic, it could've eroded the limestone, revealing the tall spires of non sedimentary rock. That's why they're sturdy enough for settlement at their summit.
For sure! That is a great detail I did not think of before. :)
I wasn't sure id enjoy this video. I'm super glad I watched. Very interesting and well researched.
Thank you Brandon! :)
Excellent content man! Keep up the Great work. This video was amazing!
Thanks JDolf!
I've now reached the point as a fan of your Chanel and content that I hit the like button before it even starts. Keep up the amazing work.
Thank you very much! :)
I think they have been also inspired by Meteora in Greece.
Just looked that location up... I can very well see the resemblance! :)
What if the rock pillars were once trees? Their size and placement is identical to the forest of Feralas.
First it was forest, then it got flooded (because of the Sundering I assume) then isolated and dried out.
Now, what if Twin Colossals were also trees?
And Thunder Bluff was a world tree, too?
I know tree calcification doesn't work that way irl but it's a fantasy world with magical fantasy trees after all
That's a cool idea!! Especially with Feralas being a big jungle I always thought the term "Twin Colossals" referred more to them being trees than mountains :D
I'm from Utah, and when I entered thousand needles I laughed out loud for minutes on end. It was just like home. Then i found the salt flats... then the race cars on it and laughed all over again.
FYI, there is a very active racing community on the salt flats, and local rental car contracts have a clause banning you from taking the car out there.
Also Utah used to have a huge lake thats now gone, leaving the Salt Lake and Utah valleys
Oh yeah! I have seen a couple of those racing videos... pretty wild! XD
This is one of the things about Cataclysm that I was disappointed about; the loss of old zone designs. I had some cool times questing in Thousand Needles. I remember one night, me and a buddy were exploring that place for the first time. For some reason I still remember talking to him about how the night seemed darker in that zone, because we were deep in a valley. It was just a neat attention to detail we noticed. It kinda irks me that you can never go back and see those zones like you originally experienced them. I guess with Classic, now you can, but it's still a different game now.
Thank you for sharing that story! I totally agree with your thoughts... the "modern" Classic environment is somehow very different than the original edition! :)
Great stuff! But the body of water that lay where the Shimmering Flats now is couldn't have been a bay of the Great Sea before the Sundering... Because the Great Sea did not exist before the Sundering!
This body of water must have been either a salty lake or an inland sea.
You make a good point! Thanks! :D
Was the Demon invasion meant to be from the 3rd war? Or the WotA? In which case there wasn't a sea east of the needles.
Good point! Probably my biggest oversight with this theory haha, might have to make a followup in the future :)
can you do this for un'goro crater?! awesome video man
Thank you! :) Un’Goro was one of my top candidates for the first “season” of my geology videos but didn’t end up making it in… I can’t spoil a lot, but I have Un’Goro involved in at least a few “game theories” that I wanna talk about so I’m sure the zone’s geology will come up in a future video ;)
but The Great Sea was created by The Sundering, so wouldn't the rivers need to be flowing East (toward Feralas and the Veiled Sea), not West before the Sundering occured
perhaps the underground tributary was fed by the Well of Eternity itself
I like those thoughts! :) I debated a lot as to the answer to that question about the river direction. In terms of ocean/lake salinity like we are seeing evidence of in the Shimmering Flats, the input streams have to be a lot more substantial than the output streams in order to keep the salt content. I agree there could be other ways of explaining how the pre-Sundering oceans fit into all this... thank you for bringing this up!
I still think an inlet of the ocean could explain this area with a few changes... since Tanaris is right on the coast (even before the Sundering it could have been a maritime area) I think at one point maybe part of Tanaris could have been underwater as a section of this inlet (which connected to the Flats).
Probably lots more to consider here but these are my most current thoughts on it :)
P.S. In terms of Feralas, it also makes sense to me that the zone would host the continental divide in the area since players go up to the "High Wilderness" before dipping back down to the Veiled Sea. The rainfall in this zone could go to both the Veiled Sea and historically down to Thousand Needles to flow into the Flats.
How cool is that…This raceway in the desert and the rocket car remind me of the raceway from star wars episode 1, where they are competing with their podracers.
YES!! I think that is definitely part of the inspiration ;) Plus, the goblin architecture in Gadgetzan and elsewhere really does look like the sand huts/buildings on Tattooine!
They literally have a 2head ogre announcer named for the one from ep1.
They have a large racing community on the real salt flats here in Utah. Was real cool to see
COUNT THE NEEDLES
Oh my XD I'll get back to you on that!
SUBBED!!!
Thank you very much! :)
Was? More like IS
Haha yes, Was & Is (by retail standards) ;)
3:57 what song?
I usually just call it the "Westfall theme" but on the WoW soundtrack the official name is "Shimmering Flats" :D
@@Jediwarlock thank you
Its a giant tree stump
Interesting idea! :)