I see they offer a big bore kit for the J series using an OEM piston …. I believe another RUclipsr tried it, so I would definitely love to get your take on the big bore kit and compare that to your current camshaft only upgrade vs stock…. Would make an awesome comparison data video!!!! Love your channel and keep up the great work!
On a mild slope hit an indicated 80mph going down to Dover on my Hunter. Going back up even on steeper bits it was fine, in 5th was low 60s but couldn't be arsed to downshift. I'm happy my 16t front sprocket, dna filter fuelx lite works well for my commuter. No issues on the motorway
I'm toying with the idea of the performance cam and the fuel X lite buy I still have 2 years left on my warranty. Doing this will void that. I've changed the exhaust and fitted the DNA filter and these certainly made a difference. Love your Royal Enfield Classic vids mate. Keep it up. 👍
Other than the 1st service, ive done everything else myself. Like Foxxy I bought all my parts from Hitchcocks as such Ive a record of my own services on my bike. I believe via the Enfield owners forum, Enfield will honour warranty claims
My partner/dealer told me that warranty stuff will still be completely covered and not to worry about it. He told me that as long as i have everything documented (which i do) i'll be fine. Also was told that if i put that powertronics V4 ECU on the bike that yes it would absolutely void the warranty.
@@georgewylie9674 all the invoices for the parts I've bought and for the services that have been done to the bike. Interval services done by the dealers and NOT myself also is a huge factor.
Good video. I have been following all the 350 performance upgrades on all the RUclips videos. I remember test riding a 350... It was probably the most comfortable bike I had ever ridden. Perfect position, great seat, smooth engine. Taking it up to 60mph nearly made me weep. .. if only. if only it had 5 more horsepower. Well... I think we've found them.
Great video.. this makes me more inclined to get a 350 seeing the camshaft performance. I cant believe nobody is offering a big bore kit for these, i really think they would absolutely fly off the shelf if they did.
There is one company offering big bore kits..... But I'm extremely skeptical of them. I didnt mention them in the video for the sole reason i do not trust it
It's nice that you are able to see real results. It'll be interesting to see what RE's next moves will be with the new water cooled single, after they release what's anticipated to be a new Hunter model with it. I'd like to see what they could do with that motor in one of the retro bikes (Classic/Bullet), but I'm not sure if RE fans would go for it.
I've had a lot of people mention a 2 cylinder classic and bullet to me. The water cooled idea doesn't bother me at all. But i want nothing to do with another 2 cylinder that's using the exact same engine as 4 other models. Now if they did what BSA are attempting to do with a 650 single cylinder. That absolutely would be a huge draw for a massive amount of people.
Great video, I'm doing essentially all the same mods soon but I'm also doing Dyno runs for some before and after numbers. I'm also doing a 411 big bore kit as the final mod.
I did a cam on my 411 and it was transforming. Granted I also have a fully adjustable tuner which I believe makes a big difference too especially in the mpg area.
after putting a DNA air filter , kent cam , Enfield precision free flow silencer , fuel X on and deleting the cat. converter on my Hunter 350 , the bike was a lot quiker but i found also that the torque in the lower revs was a bitt less, but when i put the DB killer back in the free flow silencer it was a lot better again .
What's the mpg like? I appreciate it's got a hell of a lot to do with the throttle, I've got a Hunter, absolutely a dream through traffic (had a sv650) and quicker than my previous bike in the rush hour traffic
You need a little backpressure in the exhaust, otherwise you will loose low end power. A free flow exhaust is good for high rpm but will hurt low rpm, same on cars. Can be mitigated with a fine ECU tuning, which is not our scenario.
I completely understand that. The cam is the most expensive part on the bike so far..... Until a big bore kit which if it's going to cost similar to the 411's I don't think $750 USD is totally out of the ball park. Having a shop doing it (cause i'm definitely not) that price will be over 1k easy. Is it stupid? Oh god yeah. Am I intrigued? Absolutely.
@bikerbicky I just got lucky and scored a brand new never installed cam on fb marketplace for $150. Guy decided not to keep his hunter. So don’t rule out eBay and marketplace for a deal.
Its not that you are pushing the engine less at top speed, the RPMs at top speed are exactly the same as you didn't change gearing, its just that its running smoother at that speed. A standard mechanical cam has to be timed to the RPM you want it to run best at. It can only run perfectly at that RPM. The closer you set it to 1K, the smoother it idles an the more power off the line it has but it starts to run rough at high RPMs an losses power. Cars are always this way from the factory. You cant feel an engine running bad at high RPM, but an engine that idles rough is very noticeable to a new car shopper. On the other end, a cam that is built to run best at high RPM idles bad if it will idle at all. But as you twist it up in to the RPM its built for, the engine smooths out an creates more power. Thats what you hear at the drag strip. Most car people understand that cam sound means its running bad at idle. But because you cant hear it, its harder to understand the engine in a factory car is running bad like that at High RPM. Cams are always a trade off, until you get in to variable vale timing an electronic cams anyway . In this case this new cam is set to a slightly higher RPM than factory. The valves are opening longer. That makes it run smoother at higher RPMs an create more power there. But they didn't change it much. They have made it idle worse, but not enough to be noticeable. The change in tone you are hearing is just that. You are hearing the exhaust valve staying open a hair to long. The valves are still closing to soon at high RPM, just not as much. Because the valve is open longer, it pulls in more air, requiring more fuel too. The end result is a slight loss of power at low RPM an a gain in power an smoothness at high RPM. Getting rid of the high RPM roughness you didn't know you had until it was taken away. You also lose a mile or two per gallon. These engines have a lot more power in them, but to get there using a cam, you have to start trading its ability to idle well, an make it easier to stall. They look to have done a really good job designing this cam to keep the noticeable changes in the positive direction. Pretty smart sense the speed limiter would make going past that pointless.
This cam is mild because R.E. uses an extremely mild one cam the change is not enough to mess with idle speed.It is not a race Cam.Just less restrictive.
Thank you for yet another interesting video. Now that's a sensible performance comparison, run the same bikes side by side with and without the modification. These bikes are going to be different every day due to ambient temperatures, type of road surfaces and the wind speed / direction. I should think of purchasing a bigger motorcycle if I require more power.
That's why i dont feel it was acceptable to say that the technically valid faster 0-60 test is totally justifiable. That downwind was far too strong. Im glad they had a classic to compare it to. Dyno tests are good and all but they dont exactly translate to actual riding which is why i dont/wont get it done on my bike. To add (to your edited portion) For me the bike does exactly everything i need it to do. But i 100% understand why someone would want more power. Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. All depends on needs and really where we live.
I saw that company that produces the 411 and 500 big bore, i'm entirely skeptical of it. Good luck to you on that and i'll keep an eye out for the video you make on it
They claim a lot while not providing any stats or performance numbers pre or post install. The only number they gave was a 4% increase in power. Which would be barely 1hp on a bone stock 350 for what 700 euro or near 1k USD? Also the gas that is required to prevent knocking, we do not have anywhere near me. 95 octane isn't easy to find here where i am. Let alone 100 ron for the 500bb kit. It seems like it would only really benefit the hunter 350 since it doesnt have a limited, and in countries where that high octane is readily available. Ill wait for the Hitchcock one and see what they've come up with.
@@FoxParasyte With a bigger displacement the Combustion Chamber should be increased to accommodate the extra volume. Not many DIY's are prepared to adjust the head to suit although it is quit easy to do. My claim for a Himalayan is 48% shown on Dyno Charts and that is just 443cc half the displacement increase mentioned here.
As always, a very well executed video. I finally pulled the trigger on a Classic 350. I am intending to also go down the same path you have shown us the way. My first one after the first service Is completed will be the FuelX Lite. Thanks for the inspiration! What is the scoop on the Hunter Throttle body you mentioned?
There's been a huge amount of talk that the Hunter's throttle body / ECU doesn't have that speed limiter on it. Someone has put it on their meteor 350 and claimed that this swap does indeed work. Do i know firsthand? No but it wouldn't surprise me
Nice series. The one thing that would convince me to make some or all of these changes to my Classic 350 would be if there was a substantial improvement in hilly country, meaning significant pulling up hills on rural roads here in Vermont. Are you able to address that performance improvement a bit more?
@@robgerety the only other thing would be that 411big bore. I can pull or at the least maintain speeds with hills but significant pulling up a steep hill is not happening.
Hi! Great video. I have done the same upgrade as you did and i agree with your thoughts. I have tried only a couple times and it made quite na impression comparing to stock. However i feel the bike more "viby" especially footpegs and seat (i dont have touring seat) on acceleration. It could be me but i would like your opinion. Cheers from Norway!
I unfortunately due to my disease and what's it's done actually can't feel much vibrations through my left foot. That said, i felt that it decreased a little bit when i put the deluxe pegs on. Same with the touring seat. But at the same time, I've been on several other cruisers both american and Japanese that vibrate significantly harder than the classic. Maybe I'm unintentionally grading on a curve 😂
Other than personal preferences on exhaust sound/noise is a free flow exhaust a benefit? My Hunter on the stock exhaust, DNA air filter is quite loud. Other than exhaust sound, is there a point?
Have you done a change in the front sprocket? I know right now not thinking of doing the throttle body, but with sprocket and throttle body in it may get it so its not guzzling gas on the highway. I'd be curious to see it fully fitted.
I have not, unsure if i plan to change sizing as of yet. My next plan is to do shocks but to my surprise it's not a simple 3 minute job like some of my other bikes lol. Looks like I have to remove the entire rear fender and back seat.
Since more power = more heat I'm wondering if the RE has an oil cooler. If not how hard would it be to put one on. I'd move the horn so more air could hit the cylinder.
There is a oil cooler (not RE branded) that you can slap on it. IDK if it makes a difference. You've made me curious if that Cam has made a difference in header temps. I'll take some measurements for poops and grins
Foxxy, while re-watching this video, something you said about low end torque has slightly decreased. How far from the outside edge of your tail pipe is the screw / bolt holding the baffle into the silencer? There is something that Harley riders use, that can be utilized in any motorcycle, really. The part is the "Thunder Torque Insert". They boost torque by adding back pressure in the pipe and reduces exhaust gas reversion. They are made by DK Custom Products. Personally I don't think changing to heavy duty clutch springs will do anything for that. Do you feel the clutch slipping?
I'll have to take a look into that. I could always throw my baffle back in and see if that does anything. Idk i guess my thought on heavier clutch springs is to reduce the significance of that buttery smooth shift and acceleration from a dead stop to more of a snappier feel. It doesn't slip more than normal for any of the 350s I've ever been on.
Still running in my Classic 350, but I am following up on my mod list and ordered a FuelX Lite. It is a known fact now, and one you proved out earlier that these J Platform 350s run lean out of the crate, and a FuelX Lite will adjust that lean fuel air ratio and reduce the head temps around 200 degrees F. My hat off to you as you are the only person I know of that asked the question of how much heat from stock to post FuelX Lite and found a way to prove it out. That alone would be worth while in my opinion to just reduce head temps. But to have something that also smooths out how the engine runs and adjusts for mods is a lot of value for money. I have looked at a lot of videos and realized that I took away the wrong message. The Thunder Torque Inserts reduce back pressure by decreasing what is known as reversion. That is exhaust gases that are reversing direction from the tail pipe and head back towards the head during the intake pulse of the engine.TTI's reduce reversion by increasing exhaust gas velocity,. You end up with a more exhaust free fuel air mixture. They had some diagrams that help explain it better than I can. But I believe I am going to add one at some point.
Then remove the ABS fuse or wire a toggle switch for that fuse. It'll do the trick but unless you're going big bore on this bike. I don't see it being a smart idea.
@foxParasyte were they able to replace the cam without pulling the engines side cover and using that crankshaft lock tool? Would be nice if Royal Enfield would just put timing marks on the engine covers like most manufacturers do.
True, however you could say the same thing if i bought a Speed 400 did a bunch of similar performance parts to that bike, then say well why didn't you just buy (x bike) instead. It's definitely a revolving door and yeah dumping money into the bike turns into what some would call a "money pit" but i have no desire to get rid of my classic so in the end it matters 0% to me. Also for the record. I've been on both the 400's and think they're badass. I'm thinking of getting the scrambler version myself
The speed limiter thing is bypassed by removing the fuse for the ABS. HOWEVER i do have concerns about pushing the bike beyond the limiter. I'm concerned that even with all the mods and performance parts that it's just too much for the bike to handle for long term use. If the big bore kit was installed (i do question that kit heavily btw) i would be less concerned about pushing the bike to say 80-85mph
That will take time. I want to be able to have at least 5 fill ups documented before making a video on it. Doing it off just 1 or 2 and comparing to a stock estimated EPA is not accurate in the slightest imo
@@FoxParasyte I'll be getting a 2nd hand classic this coming winter (good time to buy) by then hopefully get some dyno tests on these big bore kits. My hunter is my commuter I'll do any cam & big bore kits on the classic. It's wise to wait to see what the user experience is from the people who have fitted a kit in a few months once run in and dyno tested. I'm tempted by the 410. I've got the rev counter, i was only using 2 to 5k
I was wondering if it was possible to put in my meteor 350 the PERFORMANCE CAMSHAFT I have already installed the DNA filter and it made a big difference but I don't know about that. Who has it, what do you think? I love how the meteor revs slowly and there is no indication anywhere of the torque, how it changes if it goes down or up. On the lows do you notice big differences? Is it worth it?
I would hope so considering the Bullet, Classic, Hunter, and Meteor all use the exact same engine platform. Hitchcock should have a Dyno chart that shows the increase in HP but for whatever reason they didn't include one based off Torque readings. The torque is noticeably stronger in the mid range side more than anything else. Suffers in the low RPM range but i think that's because of me having no baffle in the full exhaust. Someone suggested that if i put it back on that the backpressure difference helps. I'd have to check that out for myself eventually.
I've mentioned it before somewhere. Throw all the parts you want at a classic 350, even if you throw a 500 big bore kit into the bike. You will not change it's top speed without bypassing the limiter.
@@killsoundpro Why? If someone is desperate to go faster, Just remove the fuse for the ABS. Where i live here in the US, i've never ran into any issue traveling wherever i need to go. Even at highway speeds.
@@FoxParasyte я не о гонять, а о тех редких моментах когда на трассе надо обогнать машину, грузовик. Выходишь на обгон, мощность ещё есть а мотоцикл не разгоняется из-за электронного ограничения скорости. Редко но бывает необходимость.
@@killsoundpro Ahhh, i see what you're saying. Honestly, the way i see it. I try my best to know the roads that best suit the motorcycle. So i avoid roads where i know i need to consistently hit 70+ MPH. But i have never needed to overtake past 65mph because the roads by me don't really make any sense for it.
The cam was the greatest mod I've installed. Now when you rip the throttle open is gets up and scoots. But you do lose a bit at the bottom. Mine pulls solid up to 65 in 3rd. Too bad about the speed limiter. Here in SoCal you'll get run over with a stock one on the freeway. Now not so much. Enjoy!
Unchanged as the classic and meteor are electronically governor'd at 75 based off the speedo. Meteor can have the ECU swapped for the Hunter and that im told will eliminate the speed limiter but that ECU doesn't fit right off the classic.
@@emiliobr100 my understanding is it doesn't have a speed limiter (based off what several people have explained to me) as for it's top speed, i have no idea. I pushed a demo bike to 75 but no further as it was stock and it took everything to get to that speed.
@@emiliobr100I've a hunter, got the fulex lite and air filter up grade, 16t front sprocket. I'm going to Dover later this month, a very long down hill stretch, on a highway mind wouldn't want to above 80mph for any length of time. I'll report back. Delkevic, a UK company does a variety of exhaust systems for the Hunter.
Where I live it's all environment taxes, the 350 is euro 5, saves me paying £12.50 a day in tax. The later 500cc are fine on euro 4 but for how long? I don't remember getting a vote on all these restrictions mind.
@@timolanteala-brown9608 you guys are nuts over there. Plain and simple. To abide by such regulations it's not rational.Things happening forever over there.
EPA laws are insane in certain parts of the US as well. California is like their own country with silly laws and restrictions trying to make the world a green place... yet ironically there's homeless people and drug addicts defecating and shooting up in the middle of the streets. Don't get me started with garbage Portland Oregon
Can't see the point. If performance is important to you then why buy a 350 classic. Add up the cost of all of those parts and you could have a Interceptor. I have a 350 classic and love it. Be interesting to try the 650 classic when it arrives...
I bought the classic because i love the bike. This series was never about turning it into a crotch rocket. Which is a point I've stressed several times before. To add, even if I did buy a 650 GT or interceptor and did a the exact same series on those bikes. I would have the exact same comment of why did you buy this when you could have bought something else that had a bigger engine and is faster? That's a revolving door. That'll never change no matter what bike I could possibly have and what modifications I could possibly do to it
Oh, the ride my friend, the experience. I've ridden motorcycles for 40 years and personalised is the key. Don't ask why, ask why not? Edit I've the Hunter 350cc, lowest cc bike in 38 years, it's just a great fun bike. Want a classic with the same engine, yes it makes no sense but I'll put the Hitchcocks cam on the classic. Great fun bikes
I have the cam recently fitted, taken easy for next 100 miles to bed in. I also have the dna filter n plate, Red Rooster exhaust and de cat pipe. I yesterday got the 187 unrestricted throttle body from the Hunter, fitted. Still to go out and do a test run. (Rain stopped play) This throttle body does not fit the Classic, Tiger Ness has already attempted. The Hunter and Meteor has same running gear/ speedo configuration. Can’t wait to get out on the My Meteor. What a great bike these are. Puts a smile on your face. Loved the video. Greetings from Scotland 🏴 😊
I see they offer a big bore kit for the J series using an OEM piston …. I believe another RUclipsr tried it, so I would definitely love to get your take on the big bore kit and compare that to your current camshaft only upgrade vs stock…. Would make an awesome comparison data video!!!! Love your channel and keep up the great work!
I'm going to do the 410cc kit, not a camshaft mind.
My classic is going to be my longer distance bike, my Hunter perfection in my daily commute
It seems crazy why Royal Enfield haven't released a new 500, I think that's what everybody wants.
Yea man me too
They just released the guerilla 450 which has all the right ingredients to become an extraordinary bike.
No hacen el 500cc, para vender el más pesado y caro 650cc.
You weren’t kidding! I’ve gotta come see this bad boy! 😂
What’s next on the list? I know you reeled some stuff off but what would you like to do the most??
On a mild slope hit an indicated 80mph going down to Dover on my Hunter.
Going back up even on steeper bits it was fine, in 5th was low 60s but couldn't be arsed to downshift.
I'm happy my 16t front sprocket, dna filter fuelx lite works well for my commuter.
No issues on the motorway
I'm toying with the idea of the performance cam and the fuel X lite buy I still have 2 years left on my warranty. Doing this will void that. I've changed the exhaust and fitted the DNA filter and these certainly made a difference. Love your Royal Enfield Classic vids mate. Keep it up. 👍
Other than the 1st service, ive done everything else myself.
Like Foxxy I bought all my parts from Hitchcocks as such Ive a record of my own services on my bike.
I believe via the Enfield owners forum, Enfield will honour warranty claims
My partner/dealer told me that warranty stuff will still be completely covered and not to worry about it. He told me that as long as i have everything documented (which i do) i'll be fine. Also was told that if i put that powertronics V4 ECU on the bike that yes it would absolutely void the warranty.
How was all the work documented?
@@georgewylie9674 all the invoices for the parts I've bought and for the services that have been done to the bike. Interval services done by the dealers and NOT myself also is a huge factor.
Good stuff, enjoy. I'm so tempted to get the new cam.
Good video. I have been following all the 350 performance upgrades on all the RUclips videos. I remember test riding a 350... It was probably the most comfortable bike I had ever ridden. Perfect position, great seat, smooth engine. Taking it up to 60mph nearly made me weep. .. if only. if only it had 5 more horsepower. Well... I think we've found them.
Great video.. this makes me more inclined to get a 350 seeing the camshaft performance. I cant believe nobody is offering a big bore kit for these, i really think they would absolutely fly off the shelf if they did.
There is one company offering big bore kits..... But I'm extremely skeptical of them. I didnt mention them in the video for the sole reason i do not trust it
@@FoxParasyte @MotoMorten installed it lately you should check it out
I’m willing to give the big bore kit a chance but im waiting for more reviews
They do now.
The 410 big bore kit uses a OEM Himalayan piston
It's nice that you are able to see real results. It'll be interesting to see what RE's next moves will be with the new water cooled single, after they release what's anticipated to be a new Hunter model with it. I'd like to see what they could do with that motor in one of the retro bikes (Classic/Bullet), but I'm not sure if RE fans would go for it.
I've had a lot of people mention a 2 cylinder classic and bullet to me. The water cooled idea doesn't bother me at all. But i want nothing to do with another 2 cylinder that's using the exact same engine as 4 other models.
Now if they did what BSA are attempting to do with a 650 single cylinder. That absolutely would be a huge draw for a massive amount of people.
Great video, I'm doing essentially all the same mods soon but I'm also doing Dyno runs for some before and after numbers. I'm also doing a 411 big bore kit as the final mod.
In RUclips?🎉
@@martymcfly6501yep, over at The Gila Monster Rides.
I did a cam on my 411 and it was transforming. Granted I also have a fully adjustable tuner which I believe makes a big difference too especially in the mpg area.
What was the impact on mpg?
@GG-ub4ej have a fuel tuner too so I still get around 65 to 70 mpb depending on how I ride
@@DiveTrainerDan Thank you for the reply.
after putting a DNA air filter , kent cam , Enfield precision free flow silencer , fuel X on and deleting the cat. converter on my Hunter 350 , the bike was a lot quiker but i found also that the torque in the lower revs was a bitt less, but when i put the DB killer back in the free flow silencer it was a lot better again .
What's the mpg like? I appreciate it's got a hell of a lot to do with the throttle, I've got a Hunter, absolutely a dream through traffic (had a sv650) and quicker than my previous bike in the rush hour traffic
You need a little backpressure in the exhaust, otherwise you will loose low end power. A free flow exhaust is good for high rpm but will hurt low rpm, same on cars. Can be mitigated with a fine ECU tuning, which is not our scenario.
Wouldnt putting the baffle back in help with that?
As always a great video. Looking at doing most of these mods on the meteor but not the cam for similar reasons plus funds lol
I completely understand that. The cam is the most expensive part on the bike so far..... Until a big bore kit which if it's going to cost similar to the 411's I don't think $750 USD is totally out of the ball park. Having a shop doing it (cause i'm definitely not) that price will be over 1k easy. Is it stupid? Oh god yeah. Am I intrigued? Absolutely.
@@FoxParasyte defo too much for me. But I am testing the throttle body but I am trying the different codes to see how many are derestricted
@bikerbicky I just got lucky and scored a brand new never installed cam on fb marketplace for $150. Guy decided not to keep his hunter. So don’t rule out eBay and marketplace for a deal.
Its not that you are pushing the engine less at top speed, the RPMs at top speed are exactly the same as you didn't change gearing, its just that its running smoother at that speed. A standard mechanical cam has to be timed to the RPM you want it to run best at. It can only run perfectly at that RPM. The closer you set it to 1K, the smoother it idles an the more power off the line it has but it starts to run rough at high RPMs an losses power. Cars are always this way from the factory. You cant feel an engine running bad at high RPM, but an engine that idles rough is very noticeable to a new car shopper. On the other end, a cam that is built to run best at high RPM idles bad if it will idle at all. But as you twist it up in to the RPM its built for, the engine smooths out an creates more power. Thats what you hear at the drag strip. Most car people understand that cam sound means its running bad at idle. But because you cant hear it, its harder to understand the engine in a factory car is running bad like that at High RPM. Cams are always a trade off, until you get in to variable vale timing an electronic cams anyway . In this case this new cam is set to a slightly higher RPM than factory. The valves are opening longer. That makes it run smoother at higher RPMs an create more power there. But they didn't change it much. They have made it idle worse, but not enough to be noticeable. The change in tone you are hearing is just that. You are hearing the exhaust valve staying open a hair to long. The valves are still closing to soon at high RPM, just not as much. Because the valve is open longer, it pulls in more air, requiring more fuel too. The end result is a slight loss of power at low RPM an a gain in power an smoothness at high RPM. Getting rid of the high RPM roughness you didn't know you had until it was taken away. You also lose a mile or two per gallon.
These engines have a lot more power in them, but to get there using a cam, you have to start trading its ability to idle well, an make it easier to stall. They look to have done a really good job designing this cam to keep the noticeable changes in the positive direction. Pretty smart sense the speed limiter would make going past that pointless.
Big wind
This cam is mild because R.E. uses an extremely mild one cam the change is not enough to mess with idle speed.It is not a race Cam.Just less restrictive.
@@RebelCowboysRVs there is no speed limiter on the Hunter
Thank you for yet another interesting video. Now that's a sensible performance comparison, run the same bikes side by side with and without the modification.
These bikes are going to be different every day due to ambient temperatures, type of road surfaces and the wind speed / direction. I should think of purchasing a bigger motorcycle if I require more power.
That's why i dont feel it was acceptable to say that the technically valid faster 0-60 test is totally justifiable. That downwind was far too strong.
Im glad they had a classic to compare it to.
Dyno tests are good and all but they dont exactly translate to actual riding which is why i dont/wont get it done on my bike.
To add (to your edited portion)
For me the bike does exactly everything i need it to do. But i 100% understand why someone would want more power. Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. All depends on needs and really where we live.
Hello. Great video. I am attempting to install a 411cc big bore on my 22' Classic 350 this sunday 😬
I saw that company that produces the 411 and 500 big bore, i'm entirely skeptical of it. Good luck to you on that and i'll keep an eye out for the video you make on it
Aw, thats not great to hear. May I as if there are any spesific reasons you are so sceptical?
They claim a lot while not providing any stats or performance numbers pre or post install. The only number they gave was a 4% increase in power. Which would be barely 1hp on a bone stock 350 for what 700 euro or near 1k USD?
Also the gas that is required to prevent knocking, we do not have anywhere near me. 95 octane isn't easy to find here where i am. Let alone 100 ron for the 500bb kit.
It seems like it would only really benefit the hunter 350 since it doesnt have a limited, and in countries where that high octane is readily available.
Ill wait for the Hitchcock one and see what they've come up with.
Ok. Thanx. Ill keep you posted. 98 oct easily attainable in Norway 😊
@@FoxParasyte With a bigger displacement the Combustion Chamber should be increased to accommodate the extra volume. Not many DIY's are prepared to adjust the head to suit although it is quit easy to do.
My claim for a Himalayan is 48% shown on Dyno Charts and that is just 443cc half the displacement increase mentioned here.
Bought a 410cc kit, not for my Hunter but for my future purchase of a classic 😎
Where can I buy one of this?
@@HonkHonk874 Himalayan tools
@@timolanteala-brown9608 thx
@@HonkHonk874you will need the Hunter 350 throttle body also, as I'm lead to believe the original is an issue on the classic and meteor.
I was told its an issue with the classic and the bullet.
As always, a very well executed video. I finally pulled the trigger on a Classic 350. I am intending to also go down the same path you have shown us the way. My first one after the first service Is completed will be the FuelX Lite. Thanks for the inspiration! What is the scoop on the Hunter Throttle body you mentioned?
There's been a huge amount of talk that the Hunter's throttle body / ECU doesn't have that speed limiter on it. Someone has put it on their meteor 350 and claimed that this swap does indeed work. Do i know firsthand? No but it wouldn't surprise me
Thanks for the info. I will have to look into that.
How does it affect the fuel consumption though?
I wouldn't change the speed limiter either. I can't see ever going over 70mph on that bike. The wind buffeting would make me feel very unstable.
Agreed, without descent fairing there's little point trying to go 80mph+ for any distance.
Nice series. The one thing that would convince me to make some or all of these changes to my Classic 350 would be if there was a substantial improvement in hilly country, meaning significant pulling up hills on rural roads here in Vermont. Are you able to address that performance improvement a bit more?
@@robgerety the only other thing would be that 411big bore. I can pull or at the least maintain speeds with hills but significant pulling up a steep hill is not happening.
In England there is a 410cc big bore kit.
Hi! Great video. I have done the same upgrade as you did and i agree with your thoughts. I have tried only a couple times and it made quite na impression comparing to stock. However i feel the bike more "viby" especially footpegs and seat (i dont have touring seat) on acceleration. It could be me but i would like your opinion. Cheers from Norway!
I unfortunately due to my disease and what's it's done actually can't feel much vibrations through my left foot.
That said, i felt that it decreased a little bit when i put the deluxe pegs on. Same with the touring seat. But at the same time, I've been on several other cruisers both american and Japanese that vibrate significantly harder than the classic. Maybe I'm unintentionally grading on a curve 😂
@@FoxParasyte thank you for taking your time to reply. I guess now I have an excuse to buy more parts 😅. All the best 👍
you might want to look at a heel/toe shifter to help with your bad foot.
I've honestly never been a fan of a heel toe on any motorcycle.
I didn't know that new RE engines have overhead cam instead of pushrod because mine is over 10 years old and has a pushrod engine
Over head cam with a chain drive is cheaper than push rods.
Still a great engine
Dig how you smoked that Cintas truck. 🤌
Does it affect its warranty?
Other than personal preferences on exhaust sound/noise is a free flow exhaust a benefit?
My Hunter on the stock exhaust, DNA air filter is quite loud.
Other than exhaust sound, is there a point?
Its kinda hard to say. I think the only way i could tell is by popping the old stock one back on and running some numbers.
V max can pass about anything on the road (back in the day anyway) except a gas station. Lol
God i miss my VMAX.
It was my first actual motorcycle... The dumbest first bike to own but i made it work. Lol
Have you done a change in the front sprocket? I know right now not thinking of doing the throttle body, but with sprocket and throttle body in it may get it so its not guzzling gas on the highway. I'd be curious to see it fully fitted.
I have not, unsure if i plan to change sizing as of yet. My next plan is to do shocks but to my surprise it's not a simple 3 minute job like some of my other bikes lol. Looks like I have to remove the entire rear fender and back seat.
Since more power = more heat I'm wondering if the RE has an oil cooler. If not how hard would it be to put one on. I'd move the horn so more air could hit the cylinder.
There is a oil cooler (not RE branded) that you can slap on it. IDK if it makes a difference.
You've made me curious if that Cam has made a difference in header temps. I'll take some measurements for poops and grins
Foxxy, while re-watching this video, something you said about low end torque has slightly decreased. How far from the outside edge of your tail pipe is the screw / bolt holding the baffle into the silencer? There is something that Harley riders use, that can be utilized in any motorcycle, really. The part is the "Thunder Torque Insert". They boost torque by adding back pressure in the pipe and reduces exhaust gas reversion. They are made by DK Custom Products. Personally I don't think changing to heavy duty clutch springs will do anything for that. Do you feel the clutch slipping?
I'll have to take a look into that. I could always throw my baffle back in and see if that does anything.
Idk i guess my thought on heavier clutch springs is to reduce the significance of that buttery smooth shift and acceleration from a dead stop to more of a snappier feel. It doesn't slip more than normal for any of the 350s I've ever been on.
Still running in my Classic 350, but I am following up on my mod list and ordered a FuelX Lite. It is a known fact now, and one you proved out earlier that these J Platform 350s run lean out of the crate, and a FuelX Lite will adjust that lean fuel air ratio and reduce the head temps around 200 degrees F. My hat off to you as you are the only person I know of that asked the question of how much heat from stock to post FuelX Lite and found a way to prove it out. That alone would be worth while in my opinion to just reduce head temps. But to have something that also smooths out how the engine runs and adjusts for mods is a lot of value for money. I have looked at a lot of videos and realized that I took away the wrong message. The Thunder Torque Inserts reduce back pressure by decreasing what is known as reversion. That is exhaust gases that are reversing direction from the tail pipe and head back towards the head during the intake pulse of the engine.TTI's reduce reversion by increasing exhaust gas velocity,. You end up with a more exhaust free fuel air mixture. They had some diagrams that help explain it better than I can. But I believe I am going to add one at some point.
El problema más serio que tiene no es más que su límitador de velocidad
Then remove the ABS fuse or wire a toggle switch for that fuse. It'll do the trick but unless you're going big bore on this bike. I don't see it being a smart idea.
@foxParasyte were they able to replace the cam without pulling the engines side cover and using that crankshaft lock tool? Would be nice if Royal Enfield would just put timing marks on the engine covers like most manufacturers do.
Actually they did not remove them. They had their own tools, made their own timing marks and rocked it out in under an hour.
@@FoxParasyte cool I figured it could be done. Seems like overkill taking the side cover off. Thanks!
What is the difference between the two camshafts? I don't understand much hence I'm asking.
Duration and Lift. Both are more than the OEM Cam,
My issue is by the time you have added all the performance bits you have bridged the gap to the Triumph 400 price wise
True, however you could say the same thing if i bought a Speed 400 did a bunch of similar performance parts to that bike, then say well why didn't you just buy (x bike) instead.
It's definitely a revolving door and yeah dumping money into the bike turns into what some would call a "money pit" but i have no desire to get rid of my classic so in the end it matters 0% to me.
Also for the record. I've been on both the 400's and think they're badass. I'm thinking of getting the scrambler version myself
Get a Hunter 350 throttle body. The part # ends in "187"...no speed governor
I was told that it won't fit a classic 350
I can't confirm either, I'll research more
Is there a rev limiter delete? Is there any drawback or risk to the engine to removing the rev limiter?
@@csorgb05 deleting the rev limiter is a set up for disaster. Unless you mean the speed limiter
@@FoxParasyte Sorry, Yeah I meant speed limiter
The speed limiter thing is bypassed by removing the fuse for the ABS. HOWEVER i do have concerns about pushing the bike beyond the limiter. I'm concerned that even with all the mods and performance parts that it's just too much for the bike to handle for long term use.
If the big bore kit was installed (i do question that kit heavily btw) i would be less concerned about pushing the bike to say 80-85mph
Hey there, does it affect the mileage of the bike ?
@@megamind5774 that will be addressed in a later video as soon as i can get enough Data to comprise a realistic answer.
Does anyone else miss kick starts?
I’d really love to see a video on the gas mileage.
That will take time. I want to be able to have at least 5 fill ups documented before making a video on it. Doing it off just 1 or 2 and comparing to a stock estimated EPA is not accurate in the slightest imo
@@FoxParasyte , I agree, one or two fill ups would be rookie numbers, you've gotta boost your riding time up so we can get good data.
Oh 410cc and 500cc big bore kits now available from Himalayan tools
I can't even buy the gas it's required to operate with the big bore kits
@@FoxParasyte may be grind the head? There's an example on the how to on the 500cc kit
@@FoxParasyteThe 411 kit only requires 91 octane.
Hmm, idk why I thought both were 95 octane. That's my bad, not sure if ill do it though. I'd rather wait on the Hitchcock one if im being honest
@@FoxParasyte I'll be getting a 2nd hand classic this coming winter (good time to buy) by then hopefully get some dyno tests on these big bore kits.
My hunter is my commuter I'll do any cam & big bore kits on the classic.
It's wise to wait to see what the user experience is from the people who have fitted a kit in a few months once run in and dyno tested.
I'm tempted by the 410.
I've got the rev counter, i was only using 2 to 5k
someone know how the torque chance?
I was wondering if it was possible to put in my meteor 350 the PERFORMANCE CAMSHAFT I have already installed the DNA filter and it made a big difference but I don't know about that. Who has it, what do you think? I love how the meteor revs slowly and there is no indication anywhere of the torque, how it changes if it goes down or up. On the lows do you notice big differences? Is it worth it?
I would hope so considering the Bullet, Classic, Hunter, and Meteor all use the exact same engine platform.
Hitchcock should have a Dyno chart that shows the increase in HP but for whatever reason they didn't include one based off Torque readings. The torque is noticeably stronger in the mid range side more than anything else. Suffers in the low RPM range but i think that's because of me having no baffle in the full exhaust. Someone suggested that if i put it back on that the backpressure difference helps. I'd have to check that out for myself eventually.
Главный вопрос - изменилась ли максимальная скорость, это главный показатель.
I've mentioned it before somewhere. Throw all the parts you want at a classic 350, even if you throw a 500 big bore kit into the bike. You will not change it's top speed without bypassing the limiter.
@@FoxParasyte плохо, очень плохо.
@@killsoundpro Why? If someone is desperate to go faster, Just remove the fuse for the ABS.
Where i live here in the US, i've never ran into any issue traveling wherever i need to go. Even at highway speeds.
@@FoxParasyte я не о гонять, а о тех редких моментах когда на трассе надо обогнать машину, грузовик. Выходишь на обгон, мощность ещё есть а мотоцикл не разгоняется из-за электронного ограничения скорости. Редко но бывает необходимость.
@@killsoundpro Ahhh, i see what you're saying. Honestly, the way i see it. I try my best to know the roads that best suit the motorcycle. So i avoid roads where i know i need to consistently hit 70+ MPH. But i have never needed to overtake past 65mph because the roads by me don't really make any sense for it.
The cam was the greatest mod I've installed. Now when you rip the throttle open is gets up and scoots. But you do lose a bit at the bottom. Mine pulls solid up to 65 in 3rd. Too bad about the speed limiter. Here in SoCal you'll get run over with a stock one on the freeway. Now not so much. Enjoy!
11:47 no, they won't
himalaya 450 bro!
I'm interested in the bike but it's not here where i live as of yet. That and I'm a bit worried about all that electronics on the bike
@@FoxParasyte same here. I am definitely skipping that one because of the whole tft screen
Top speed ?
Unchanged as the classic and meteor are electronically governor'd at 75 based off the speedo.
Meteor can have the ECU swapped for the Hunter and that im told will eliminate the speed limiter but that ECU doesn't fit right off the classic.
@@FoxParasyte Hunter top speed superior ?
@@emiliobr100 my understanding is it doesn't have a speed limiter (based off what several people have explained to me) as for it's top speed, i have no idea.
I pushed a demo bike to 75 but no further as it was stock and it took everything to get to that speed.
@@emiliobr100I've a hunter, got the fulex lite and air filter up grade, 16t front sprocket.
I'm going to Dover later this month, a very long down hill stretch, on a highway mind wouldn't want to above 80mph for any length of time.
I'll report back.
Delkevic, a UK company does a variety of exhaust systems for the Hunter.
I understand why anyone would want to flog these beatif
I f the bike was a 500 you would not have to do anything with the bike.
They don't make the 500 anymore. They haven't in a handful of years, parts for it also are an absolute nightmare joke to obtain in the US
Where I live it's all environment taxes, the 350 is euro 5, saves me paying £12.50 a day in tax.
The later 500cc are fine on euro 4 but for how long?
I don't remember getting a vote on all these restrictions mind.
@@timolanteala-brown9608 you guys are nuts over there. Plain and simple. To abide by such regulations it's not rational.Things happening forever over there.
@@frankmarkovcijr5459 no worries, my choice 🎉
EPA laws are insane in certain parts of the US as well. California is like their own country with silly laws and restrictions trying to make the world a green place... yet ironically there's homeless people and drug addicts defecating and shooting up in the middle of the streets. Don't get me started with garbage Portland Oregon
Can't see the point. If performance is important to you then why buy a 350 classic. Add up the cost of all of those parts and you could have a Interceptor. I have a 350 classic and love it. Be interesting to try the 650 classic when it arrives...
I bought the classic because i love the bike.
This series was never about turning it into a crotch rocket. Which is a point I've stressed several times before.
To add, even if I did buy a 650 GT or interceptor and did a the exact same series on those bikes. I would have the exact same comment of why did you buy this when you could have bought something else that had a bigger engine and is faster? That's a revolving door. That'll never change no matter what bike I could possibly have and what modifications I could possibly do to it
Oh, the ride my friend, the experience.
I've ridden motorcycles for 40 years and personalised is the key.
Don't ask why, ask why not?
Edit I've the Hunter 350cc, lowest cc bike in 38 years, it's just a great fun bike.
Want a classic with the same engine, yes it makes no sense but I'll put the Hitchcocks cam on the classic.
Great fun bikes
I have the cam recently fitted, taken easy for next 100 miles to bed in. I also have the dna filter n plate, Red Rooster exhaust and de cat pipe. I yesterday got the 187 unrestricted throttle body from the Hunter, fitted. Still to go out and do a test run. (Rain stopped play)
This throttle body does not fit the Classic, Tiger Ness has already attempted. The Hunter and Meteor has same running gear/ speedo configuration.
Can’t wait to get out on the My Meteor.
What a great bike these are. Puts a smile on your face.
Loved the video. Greetings from Scotland 🏴 😊
@@weemark67any update?
Cause its my bike. Am a short arse, only RE i can touch the ground on. Its not all about performance. Its my personal choice!