That's not how the trade system works from their description during the video. What you see in the video and that screen there is YOUR order tab. The notification you get is that currency was sold, which means that your trade went through, and you can go and collect the items in the exchange. You are not searching and viewing live trades or else they would not notify you that something gold. The way this works is like the grand exchange from RuneScape, but with currency instead of gold. If you list a div for 150c and press "Place Order" you are placing a trade request listing. It will then go and find the next order for someone else trading 150c for 1 div, fulfill the exchange and then notify you that the exchange has happened, and that screen there is you opening the menu and collecting that order. It's not live, there won't be a "no longer available" error.
It's not current listings you see. It's like a stock market. You already bought it and it's yours to take. There won't be a time when your item won't be available. This is not a problem. This system basically eliminates problem of normal poe trade when people already don't have currency you want.
I think you're misunderstanding how it works a little bit. Mark's video will probably explain better than me, but I believe it is like this: When you list an item, it goes into a pool with other items of that type. GGG will have some rules about when your items sell (time on market + price I suppose). Your items will only sell for at least as much as you list them for, of course. When it sells, the buyer's currency appears in the listing to be taken by you. I believe (just a guess) it will also do partial sales, so you could only sell one or two even if you listed 30. Then, when you want to buy things, you put out your listing with the currency it will use for purchasing. Over time (maybe so fast it appears instant if you offer a good price) each individual purchase will happen. So just like selling, buy orders will be completed partially sometimes. You could try to buy 15 fusings for 5c and at some point the listing could have 9 fusings and 3c in it (started with 0 fusings and 5c). You don't pick a specific listing to buy from (which is how the existing market works). All items just come from a shared pool with certain prices for each. In your video when you talk about the 5 fusings not being available anymore, that's not an issue because the order is actually already fulfilled. That's why there are 0 chaos showing on that listing.
@@DERxROCKSTAR When 2 "place order" meet, that the only time you actually bought the item. Example: player1 post 10 chaos for 10 vaal. then, player2 post 5 vaal for 5 chaos. player2 order is automatically fulfilled, while player1 order is only half-filled.
3:04 it's not maybe. he is a price fixer. at least half of the first page of any item will never answer your dm. also im confuse about what concern you have...... im not sure if this is exactly how it happen (obviously) but i think you place order. Ai of npc will search the market for the specific price you willing to pay then make transaction. the currency in your interface is already a bought item and out of the market. so if the transaction is complete it's your. im more worry about bug that will happen in first day more.
Yes, i did not hear that an npc is trading for you. I thought you just set up your price/offer and you have to manually search for the trades. They obviously did think about that but we will see it.
That's a fair concern but something they would have had to of thought about. We also don't know the gold cost you will end up needing and by the sounds of it gold shouldn't be tradeable. So you can't just have a bot buyer. You will at least have to go out and gain gold. We've always dealt with some sort of bot's in trading, they should be able to detect them much better this way?
People were asking for martket because most currency is traded/flipped by bots. Now they will see the TRUE power of those bots that will instantly snipe everything with lower price and sell for more
edit: I wrote something that was wrong here xD Since you as a buyer are placing the orders, sellers will sell to whoever has a better price, bots cannot snipe anything, only buyers with the best price will get stuff, the rest will never get it, you cant drive prices up, so no sniping and no price fixing, if you want to purchase something and you place it for lower than the price you will just never get what you want.
Not really. If let's say a div is actually worth 120c but are selling for 100c each currently. Following what you're saying, the bots will swipe everything below then sell the divs for 120c. But this change makes players actually do that without the use of bots since u can just but divs at 120c or lower with this new system. This auction house basically gives everyone bot capabilities. You're always free to scoop up all the divs you can then sell it for 120c, but will they sell? The risk is on you. Plus, transactions will cost gold so people will have to kill a few mobs here and there and not be hideout traders 24/7.
Even people without a bot will Profit massive from this. There is alot currency that sells low at day 1 and grows fast in days 2/3, so having market knowledge can make you richer than before.
@@DERxROCKSTAR it fills in the cheapest buy order. sure you could go and buy everything below a certain amount, but that costs gold which is account bound which means bots would need to play for hours and hours first before they could do that. its a massive hurdle for bots to flip. and if someone wants to camp the exchange for 4 hours for 3 div profit before they need to go back to maps because they run out of gold, then good for them.
Bots can't snipe things, it's not an auction house, you aren't browsing listings and clicking buy its an exchange system. You are putting your currency in and the rate, and then if someone else matches your rate (or cheaper) then the trade goes through. If nobody is selling at that rate (or cheaper) your order will never be fulfilled. So while bot's could theoretically flip currency, it's going to be a lot less profitable than it currently is as the margins will be super low since it will pretty much be updated in real time as people sell things at whatever the average going rate is. Plus you need gold to set up exchange listings, gold isn't a tradable currency it's something you get by playing the game. So unless someone is half the time botting the actual game and then botting the exchange (or playing manually) they won't be able to engage with the currency exchange at all.
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That's not how the trade system works from their description during the video. What you see in the video and that screen there is YOUR order tab. The notification you get is that currency was sold, which means that your trade went through, and you can go and collect the items in the exchange. You are not searching and viewing live trades or else they would not notify you that something gold. The way this works is like the grand exchange from RuneScape, but with currency instead of gold.
If you list a div for 150c and press "Place Order" you are placing a trade request listing. It will then go and find the next order for someone else trading 150c for 1 div, fulfill the exchange and then notify you that the exchange has happened, and that screen there is you opening the menu and collecting that order. It's not live, there won't be a "no longer available" error.
It's not current listings you see. It's like a stock market. You already bought it and it's yours to take. There won't be a time when your item won't be available. This is not a problem. This system basically eliminates problem of normal poe trade when people already don't have currency you want.
Exactly, they said the NPC buys the items for you. They are just waiting for you to pick them up.
I think you're misunderstanding how it works a little bit. Mark's video will probably explain better than me, but I believe it is like this:
When you list an item, it goes into a pool with other items of that type. GGG will have some rules about when your items sell (time on market + price I suppose). Your items will only sell for at least as much as you list them for, of course. When it sells, the buyer's currency appears in the listing to be taken by you. I believe (just a guess) it will also do partial sales, so you could only sell one or two even if you listed 30.
Then, when you want to buy things, you put out your listing with the currency it will use for purchasing. Over time (maybe so fast it appears instant if you offer a good price) each individual purchase will happen. So just like selling, buy orders will be completed partially sometimes. You could try to buy 15 fusings for 5c and at some point the listing could have 9 fusings and 3c in it (started with 0 fusings and 5c). You don't pick a specific listing to buy from (which is how the existing market works). All items just come from a shared pool with certain prices for each.
In your video when you talk about the 5 fusings not being available anymore, that's not an issue because the order is actually already fulfilled. That's why there are 0 chaos showing on that listing.
@@DERxROCKSTAR When 2 "place order" meet, that the only time you actually bought the item. Example: player1 post 10 chaos for 10 vaal. then, player2 post 5 vaal for 5 chaos. player2 order is automatically fulfilled, while player1 order is only half-filled.
3:04 it's not maybe. he is a price fixer. at least half of the first page of any item will never answer your dm.
also im confuse about what concern you have...... im not sure if this is exactly how it happen (obviously)
but i think you place order. Ai of npc will search the market for the specific price you willing to pay then make transaction.
the currency in your interface is already a bought item and out of the market. so if the transaction is complete it's your.
im more worry about bug that will happen in first day more.
Yes, i did not hear that an npc is trading for you. I thought you just set up your price/offer and you have to manually search for the trades. They obviously did think about that but we will see it.
3.22 is going to be insane
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That's a fair concern but something they would have had to of thought about.
We also don't know the gold cost you will end up needing and by the sounds of it gold shouldn't be tradeable. So you can't just have a bot buyer. You will at least have to go out and gain gold. We've always dealt with some sort of bot's in trading, they should be able to detect them much better this way?
new System is amazing also there is already tons of both scouring the systems to make offer automatically
I think they want to test the idea before POE2
This ah style isn't exactly new
Ffxi had an exact same one with no issues
Do you understand how a stock exchange works?
Just reply yes or no.
dude is concerning when the league is not even out yet
People were asking for martket because most currency is traded/flipped by bots. Now they will see the TRUE power of those bots that will instantly snipe everything with lower price and sell for more
edit: I wrote something that was wrong here xD
Since you as a buyer are placing the orders, sellers will sell to whoever has a better price, bots cannot snipe anything, only buyers with the best price will get stuff, the rest will never get it, you cant drive prices up, so no sniping and no price fixing, if you want to purchase something and you place it for lower than the price you will just never get what you want.
Not really. If let's say a div is actually worth 120c but are selling for 100c each currently. Following what you're saying, the bots will swipe everything below then sell the divs for 120c. But this change makes players actually do that without the use of bots since u can just but divs at 120c or lower with this new system. This auction house basically gives everyone bot capabilities. You're always free to scoop up all the divs you can then sell it for 120c, but will they sell? The risk is on you. Plus, transactions will cost gold so people will have to kill a few mobs here and there and not be hideout traders 24/7.
Even people without a bot will Profit massive from this. There is alot currency that sells low at day 1 and grows fast in days 2/3, so having market knowledge can make you richer than before.
@@DERxROCKSTAR it fills in the cheapest buy order. sure you could go and buy everything below a certain amount, but that costs gold which is account bound which means bots would need to play for hours and hours first before they could do that. its a massive hurdle for bots to flip. and if someone wants to camp the exchange for 4 hours for 3 div profit before they need to go back to maps because they run out of gold, then good for them.
Bots can't snipe things, it's not an auction house, you aren't browsing listings and clicking buy its an exchange system. You are putting your currency in and the rate, and then if someone else matches your rate (or cheaper) then the trade goes through. If nobody is selling at that rate (or cheaper) your order will never be fulfilled. So while bot's could theoretically flip currency, it's going to be a lot less profitable than it currently is as the margins will be super low since it will pretty much be updated in real time as people sell things at whatever the average going rate is.
Plus you need gold to set up exchange listings, gold isn't a tradable currency it's something you get by playing the game. So unless someone is half the time botting the actual game and then botting the exchange (or playing manually) they won't be able to engage with the currency exchange at all.