How GCI will rival RMC | Coaster Theory
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Ever since 1996, Great Coasters International has been the go-to wood coaster manufacturer. GCI has built 29 coasters over their lifetime, and only a shocking three of them have been removed. Considering we're talking about wood coasters, I have to give props to GCI for creating a formula so these woodies can last for years at a time. Before 1996, wood coasters were limited to only several manufacturers, the big one being Custom Coasters International or CCI for short. The coasters CCI built were great for their time, but once GCI stepped one scene building Wildcat, the wood coaster market wouldn't be the same. CCI didn't innovate, they used the same style track and the same PTC trains while in business, but lucky for us GCI is the complete opposite. Since their opening, they would bring a whole new variety of coasters to life… for instance, the dueling woodie, most notably Gwazi. When Gwazi opened summer 1999, it brought a new thrill to Florida and proved GCI was the next up and coming CCI. Now, unfortunately, Gwazi is one of those three coasters to bite the dust, and even though it's no longer with us, it's still looked back upon as one of GCIs biggest milestones. The company has also improved upon the traditional style coaster, by bringing it to new heights, and toning it down for the families, but over the past twenty-four years of business, they have not even dipped their toe into the steel coaster market. Going back to the innovation, recently, we have seen GCI take a steel support structure route over the classic wood structure, and this is for two main reasons. Wear and Tear, and ease of construction. With the company becoming familiar with the steel support structures, and not too long ago debuting there new steel track, could we see this steel track on a steel structure as GCIs first fully steel coaster? Well, today, we take a closer look at what GCI is hiding up their sleeves and how it could get them on par with Top Tier manufacturers like Intamin and even RMC. Back in 2011, the coaster industry would be changed as RMC debuted its hybrid coasters. After only nine years since their first coaster, RMC has gone international building 21 coasters in three continents, after becoming so popular in such a short period of time, it would be long until other companies catch on. B&M started to make these smaller lifter airtime hills on their recent hypers and Giga notably Shambala, Mako, Candymonium, and Orion. Another manufacturer drawing inspiration from RMC is Intamin. Lately, on Intamins, we've seen a lot more zero-g rolls, stalls, and ejector hills. I'm not saying Intamin hasn't made these elements before, but now we're getting a lot more of them. But I'm not complaining, Pantheon looks incredible. Now what about GCI? As of now, GCI is not doing anything crazy as far as using RMC elements, but over the next couple of years their coaster will look completely different. I'm talking about the new model that can reach 200ft, the new trains, and the new track. We have a lot to uncover all of these new products.
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petition for GCI to make an inverted final brake run
I’ll sign it! 😃 great idea!
Dude, you need to do more vids a week, these help calm me down with all this quarantine going on
We need more videos and more parks to start opening! Fingers crossed it happens soon!
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I hope GCI keeps innovating and keeps up with RMC but I also hope they don’t abandon their roots. I’d love to see them continue traditional woodies along with giant hybrids and other large scale coasters.
Woah! Who's this new channel? 😉
This GCI steel track is intriguing. Thrill Central actually just released a video earlier today too talking about Wildcat at Hersheypark potentially being the first coaster to use this track, you should check it out!
It seems like this track could open up so many new possibilities for GCI! I don't see any reason traditional wood GCI track couldn't be mixed with this new steel track.
I think the whole purpose of the steel track is to mix it with wood. As explained in this video, but I already thought this. I don't think they're trying to copy RMC, just be inspired by them and compete.
I've yet to see an answer to what the black stuff on that track is, looks like rubber which would allow using steel wheels and have less friction on regular wood track. If it were all steel it would lose momentum even faster than RMCs or El Toro with their rubberized wheels.
@@spentron1 that makes sense. They already do somewhat compete against RMC in number of yearly installations but it seems like this is to diversify the models so they can satisfy that more intense coaster market even though their coasters already pretty intense, if they can maintain the low friction and put more positive gs into the layout there's no doubt they'll be my favorite manufacturer
seems fun land in orlando has this track on one of its coasters
I think it would be cool if GCI would put the steel track on Wildcat at Hersheypark.
Absolutely
couldn't agree more. That should be their next project.
Yeah, and Hersheypark has a good relationship with GCI since Wildcat was their first coaster. So, it would be cool if GCI made Wildcat one of the best coasters in the park.
Coaster Keychain Yeah, even as bad as Wild Cat is now, I love it because it was my first GCI and back in the day it was really fun. I’d love for it to be amazing again
Coaster Keychain I also think it would be awesome if GCI tried their hand at a wave turn and had that on Wild Cat because that coaster has tons of banked turns and they could easily turn the structure of one into a wave turn
I love the coaster theories please don't stop making them. I watch any video by you when ever I can and it sound's good (they all do).
3rd time in a row I’ve listened to ‘talkin trimmless’ and was interrupted by a TPM post notification 😂🎢
Looking from an economic perspective, RMC and GCI are both vertically integrated (pretty sure about GCI, but definitely RMC). Vertically integrated means that they design and construct all aspects of their rides in house. Other manufacturers like Intamin and B&M contract separate companies to make their track, their trains, and construct their coasters; the most famous example of this being how RMC actually constructed El Toro and T-Express, even though Intamin designed them. Furthermore, RMC hasn't contracted any 3rd party companies other than for the launch on Lrod and the two coasters that use the Gerstluar trains, and GCI only has one coaster, Boss, that uses PTC trains.This is the main reason that RMC and GCI coasters are all selling at incredibly competitive prices. The overall point that I'm making is RMC and GCI will do a much better job at rivaling other top companies than rivaling themselves, through pioneering not just new, more intense types of coasters, but also having a much better and more competitive business model. I think over time they will find their respective places in the coaster market, RMC will go in the direction of steel coasters, single rail track, and hyper hybrids, while finishing up any remaining possible retrofits of wooden coasters (which I don't believe there are much left anyways). GCI will make ground up, smaller wooden coasters like they already have, just a better version of their product with inversions and better elements. I don't see there being much conflict if the two companies go in these directions because RMC's wooden topper tracks have all been some of their worst coasters, from an investment standpoint of course (Only exception being Wildfire probably)
RMC has partnered with Martin & Vleminckx for sales and construction in Asia. That's not to say that they don't send anybody to oversee the construction of their rides in Asia, but they do not send their entire team to erect the coaster. I am also not completely sold on the fact that the engineering is done in house. Alan Shilke and Ned Hansen are founding partners of Ride Centerline, which is an active engineering firm that also works with S&S and Chance Rides. There may be some exclusionary contracts signed or perhaps Fred Grub has them on his books as employees. However, it seems to make the most sense that RMC would simply take their ideas to Ride Centerline the same way so many companies rely on Ingenieurbüro Stengel GmbH for their engineering. All that being said, I agree with your points about minimizing their cost by being primarily in-house.
Oh yeah, and GCI similarly has used Skyline Design, LLC. for design work on InvadR, Mystic Timbers, a couple coasters in China as well as the reprofiling GCI did to Holiday World's Legend for 2016
I need that dueling and inverting model that was at IAAPA to come to fruition, it looks too good to remain a small-scale model.
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Great vid! The theorys realy just give me something real nice to listen to and think about when I play planco :)
Love the vids. Such good content. We need more!
When it comes to the point at 5:30 about refurbishment, RMC did the same thing on a wooden coaster at Silverwood Theme Park in Idaho with either the Timber Terror coaster or the Tremors coaster. They replaced a section on a turnaround with the i-box track to reduce maintenance. If you watch the POV and listen for it, you can hear an audible change and even notice the banking is more heartlined, like a steel coaster.
Some of those ccis still hold up to this day
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I say I’m going to watch one video and then ending up watching a bunch of them because I love watching these.
This video is so fire 🔥 keep up the great work!
I totally agree! And I can not wait for GCI to unveil this new beast of a coaster to a theme park it’ll be awesome!
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Great Video Zach!!
Love this content i didnt even think about how hard it would be to make wood track that inverts
Awesome video again!
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Ahhh I love your videos man, these coaster theories are so great! I literally hate when I hear the "let me know what you think" cuz they're over to soon!!
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I binge watch these vids because they are so good and make sense. Ur the Matpat of roller coaster theories
Hey Man! I Think GCI Is top Wood Manufacturer. tbh
0:29 Michigan's Adventure's Shivering Timbers :D ..ive rode it hundreds of times
Clean video!
Ok, how do you have so much quality in your videos? Like seriously! It’s kinda stupid how much quality your videos have!!
Underated channel love it
Your theory videos are so good! Hell, all of your videos are great! 😁 I think both GCI and Gravity Group are going to become strong competitors to RMC. I'd love to see what kinda of magic GCI could do to their first coaster Wildcat at Hersheypark!
These are some interesting things, considering we don't have an rmc in the UK but the success of wickerman could bring in some coasters like this... Brilliant videos, love watching these during lockdown.
I miss the old intro :) I loved it mannn, pls bring it back 👏
Awesome video!! Love your theories! You should do a theory on where the next b&m giga will go to.
Personally I love gravity groups creativity with their designs, they are great for small park, but I do see your points as of why GCI is the better and more likely to rival RMC
I know i'm mega late, but, i love your content as much as i love RMC!
I think gravity group is more likely to rival RMC because they already proved they could make a good wood coaster with and inversion, with Mine Blower. They are also more innovative, with coaster like Switchback and Hades 360. This was a great video.
But the newest GCI coasters are way better than Mine Blower ore Hades 360. If Gravity Group doesn't make their coasters smoother they wont challenge RMC
Timon Stemberg true, and GG takes a while to make coasters, while rmc has a new one every one or two years
@@limonscore Gravity Group has a similar amount of yearly installations to RMC because they hit the Chinese market and their family coaster is crazy popular. I don't think most people really care that much of how smooth a ride is with those timberliners unless it becomes painful.
@@patrickrichardson9183 have you not seen how many installations their family wooden coaster gets. It's extremely popular.
Renegade and Mystic Timbers do crush Hades 360 by a fair bit for me
It will be the dawn of the new and improved GCI! I love there coasters already, but even more will make those rides even better than before. Great video!
Your videos are the medicine I need during this quarantine. I definitely like where GCI his heading in the future!
I totally agree! It will be fun to watch and see what happens!
6:27 based on the IAAPA interview with Dustin & Hunter(from Skyline & GCI, respectively), seems like they wanna be able to make ultra compact coasters that have a drop sandwiched between the station and the lift hill, like those Pretzel wild mice, but the drop goes further down, beneath the station-to-lift u-turn
I'll just be happy if we manage to get on a coaster this year! I'm overdue for it, as I'm sure many others are as well!
Here before this channel reaches 100k subscribers!
I would absolutely LOVE to see GCI try and give Wildcat their own version of the iron horse treatment, especially with it being their first coaster. It would only mean good things for the industry to have two companies trying to top the other with them going against RMC and if they are successful with the first couple coasters redone in this manner.
I think GCI trying to rival RMC is pointless. They create 2 pretty different styles of coasters, so they're not exactly direct competition. Love the video by the way, keep it up!!
Clean video❤👍💋
I think the video was amazing 😉!
Another great theory! Can’t think of anything I disagree with
Nice vid mate now we need a rmc in the U.K.
By "tighter turns" he might have meant the axles are able to twist tighter, as in a faster rate of change in banking. This would be useful for traversing tighter inversions like 0-G-rolls. It could mean the train's turn radius can be smaller as well.
If they could add more positives that would be crazy too
I was going to go take a tinkle but I stayed to watch your video
Nice new logo
how did i completely forget that GCI unveiled the steel track
It will be very interesting when and where we see the first one...
Maybe because Axis took nearly all the spotlight?
A gci redo of wildcat would make there lineup incredible
I think that the sharper turn radius is there for pre-lift, pre-drop and brakerun sections just to make the coaster more compact. I would also wonder, when they would go all in and create RMC style coasters on their own.
Fiesta Texas is my home park. I’ve been fantasizing what their next coaster would be. Being they’ve been a testing ground for Six Flags their past few coasters, and are missing a wooden coaster, seeing the first New GCI Era coaster come next would be legendary. My other dream is a B&M wing coaster but that will never happen.
I completely agree with everything.
I think their next gen coasters will be more like thunderhead on sterroids.
I want to see GCI stick with their current style of layout. But, contribute inversions and ejector airtime into their layouts so they still feel distinct. GCI is the master of making speed coasters and I love their style. If they contribute new things into their style, they will truly feel distinct from rmc
Great analysis, though I would say that the reasoning for the tighter turns would be to compete in the small park market that Gravity Group have historically been ahead in verses GCI
Hope they do American Eagle
Great content BTW!
Cant wait to see when they build their first coaster with the steel track. Shouldnt be too long from now
It would be great to experience the rumble of a woodie while also incorporating RMC type elements. If executed correctly I would probably like GCI hybrids more than RMC because woodies offer sensations that steel coasters can't. Can you imagine a GCI Steel Vegeance or Iron Gwazi that's insane.
What would we classify the wood and steel track together. It would be the worlds first actual hybrid, but then what do we call the RMCs lol?
I am going to Hersheypark in June
I actually prefer the first half of Steel Vengence. Those giant airtime hills immediately following the drop are the best part of the ride, especially the second one that's banked.
I know people want an rmc at Thorpe park but some are disappointed with the fact it will more likely be a GCI. However a 200ft GCI would be crazy or even one of their steel coasters
GCI is no where close to being better then PTC! 😂
Behemoths Trims Facts. I almost got thrown off of Comet on my last trip to Hershey. Bro, 10/10 on intensity👍😂
@@drewschannel9767 #comet gang where you at
I cant tell if you're joking because phoenix
@@blacklisted351 thats not a joke pheonix was disapointing, comet was more fun
PTC trains are Better if set at right speed the Mflyer trains rattle your brain’s out literally
Love it, but can you do some more British stuff with Alton towers or Thorpe park?
I think GCI needs to do this on Wild Cat at Hershey Park. They should update it and a cool idea I had is that they could use the structure of a banked turn and make it into a wave turn to rival what RMC does because it would add in insane ejector airtime. They also could retrack the rest of the banked turns and change the trains to Infinity Flyers and then the coaster would be insane. Then in a decade or so when Lightning Racer gets too rough, Hershey should RMC it and make it into a Mobius Loop like Twisted Colossus. Then Hershey would be one of the best parks in the world in my opinion
These videos just get better every time. You’ve got a challenge zach to make the next video better than this one. There is literally nothing left to improve on
GCI is definitely gonna use that steel track to revamp wild cat
B&M - king of steel coasters
GCI - King of wooden coasters
RMC - King of hybrid coasters
I honestly think the market for woodies is different enough for the market for hybrids to only really have GCI rival the occasional ground-up woodie from RMC
me: why does the netherlands get almost no atention in coaster videos?
me: [sees fenix in intro]
me: happy face :)
I can’t wait for iron Gwazi and bgt is my home park
Top manufacturers with the brightest future
My opinion:
GCI
Vekoma
S&S
RMC
I've been doing some personal research on infinity flyers and the Hybrid Track and I have a few things to add. The reasons they added and insane lateral and vertical turning radius is compactness. Showcased in the event were pamphlets which showed the new turning radius for the infinity flyers - with how tight they are, you could not implement a turn that tight into a layout. These were made for compactness - making switchback look like it has the compactness of the beast. I directly quote 'we can have a 180' turn out of the station, and have another 180' turn and have the drop dive in between the station and the lift hill'. I'd highly recommend watching a few POV's of what the new GCI's can do:
ruclips.net/video/oPEOiKk0YGs/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/huBJBHUGvbA/видео.html
Is there any infinity flyer trains currently running on any coasters?
I would just like to hear about ways that Six Flags Magic Mountain Viper could be redone in such a way that the layout would be the same but much smoother transitions and lap bar restraints, to make people want to ride the old, head banging monstrosity. I would really love to hear you opinion on the subject👍
I just want to see another 200ft woodie, Son of Beast has been king of the record for too long
I am from Germany and we have not so many Wood coasters and RMCs so I ride only one RMC. This Rmc was Untamed. I hope that i can ride Steel Vengeance soon. I love your videos watch them 5 or 6 times. Sorry my English isn` t so good.
I understand your English better than some Americans! Hope you get to ride Steel Vengeance soon too. Actually, at this point I hope anybody gets to ride Steel Vengeance soon!
@@timk987 I heard a lot from Stell Vengeance and maybee I ride Steel Vengeance in 2022. Only maybee.
7:12 was that a diss to the pov u played right after you said that?
Grand son of beast as a GCI!
Wouldn’t be cool if Six-flags bought one of these GCI hybrids and put it in great adventure right in the spot where rolling thunder was.
Hopefully we get a coaster war between these 2.......Imagine them battling off for bigger taller better rides
I could see GCI retrofitting Wildcat; everyone wants to give it the RMC treatment but given that it’s GCI’s first coaster and not in the greatest of shape they may have their own plan to revitalize their first coaster
I think gci is going to build the next crystal beach cyclone with this track.I can't believe they used steel that long ago.
i would honestly love to see an RMC revamp of the beast at kings island
Yes, I love sluggish coasters that almost valley.
I see GCI being the new RMC
I heard that gci are going to use their hybrid track to retrack some of their older coasters
I really think GCI has a big potential as well as Gravity Group.Imagine a Steel Vengeance styled woodie with strong laterals,ejector and inversions.Besides,they are really cheap compared to the high quality they deliever,I am not sure of prices but I am pretty sure even Six Flags can afford a large scale woodie(the come around 8-12m dollars in my guess)they could also go with GG.Either way,RMC may look more now to the Raptor and T-Rex I think since in the woodies department there is no way the Topper Track can rival GCI or GG.I would love to see a new golden era for the woodies,have RMC,GCI and Intamin compete.Add launches,inversions,and 200ft heights to woodies.Everything is possible
Oh wow... So if I understand this correctly, RMC has been using hybrid engineering to allow wooden roller coasters to be everything that steel coasters have been for years. Whereas GCI is going to use hybrid engineering to evolve the classic wooden roller coaster experience forget than what ever had been for years. Basically making roller coasters that everyone wished Son Of Beast could have been. That's a brilliant way of competing without entirely copying another company.