Stellantis fires 2900 unionised staff in Italy & America in a group video call
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No one ever said that corporations have any sympathy for or loyalty to their workers.
that's right
Being a union member does not mean that you have a safe job, it means that you have support fighting for your rights and support your fellow worker fighting for his. It is called solidarity.
It also means you are giving $$$ to UNION people - and many of them dont give a FUCK about you.
I find it's normally done by coercion. You can't have a career without joining.
LOL No, it's all about collecting monthly dues.
Or maybe unions are very diverse across multiple spectrums, I know they work pretty good in Nordic countries and in Huawei, the employees owned their shares through the union. But yes, I've heard unions in Anglo countries are bad.@@muskrat3291
@@davidlloyd1526 The situation in Europe is totally different than in the US, apparently. Nonetheless, you should show solidarity with your fellow workers, and that’s what union membership is all about.
When you go get laid off in a unionized job you generally get important severance pay. That can be crucial.
Yep been made redundant twice in my working life and the payouts have gone some way to meaning that I no longer have to work.
All those that don't like Unions can take part in the race to the bottom.
Not more than legal minimum.
@@davidlloyd1526 Depends on what your agreement says.
We got way more than minimum legislated amounts.
You get severance pay in non-union jobs too. I worked a non-union job for a company that was bought by another company and got severance, yet I was still doing the same job for the new owners. A couple of years later that company sold my division to another company and I got another severance check and again I was still doing the same after the split. Then several years later the third owners outsourced my department and again I another severance check and I was picked up by the outsource company to do the same job.
@@muskrat3291 Here in Australia non Union members doing the same jobs get the same benefits and there are Govt. mandated minimums in most states as well.
It isn't the individual being made redundant it's the job.
Big variations in payouts depending on what's going on.
Sometimes unions can “forget” about the individual member with issues, and be more interested in bigger issues affecting the collective. Happened to me a few decades ago. But I’d rather be in a union than not in a union. But sure some unions are better than others. And in the past ( here in Australia) some unions have acted like thugs. Thankfully that’s largely a thing of the past.
Salaried Engineers and Managers have never been Unionized. These people are the loyal companymen, non Unionized employees that were fired.
In a lot of countries engineers are unionized. A small percentage of US engineers are unionized.
The point here, I think, is that even if they were in the union it wouldn't matter. And it didn't.
By doing it through a zoom call, the fired people are not gathered to talk to each other and potentially make a mass protest.
And what would the protest change? Bunch of laid off people protesting the factory that is closing anyway. Their bargaining power is?! Their time would be better spent looking for a job.
Imagine having 2900 meetings scheduled when you can have 1 😅
It's just faster this way. people want to work remotely because it's can get more work done right? but doesn't want to get fire remotely?
Absolutely true.
I know a case where a group lay off was not only done in an online group meeting, but with a prerecorded message. So, basically a rehearsed and endorsed by HR lawyers message and no opportunity for interactive communication.
Me and my entire family worked for the UAW in Detroit, I no longer support them because they got too greedy for a non-skilled, high school education line job. Their new contract was not a win, it was their jobs being moved out of the country or to future robots. Even Jim Farley (Ford CEO), said that after this last contract he would have to look at sending jobs to Mexico. If I were a UAW factory worker today, I wouldn't be making any large purchases. People are fed-up with paying $80,000 for a pickup truck or $60,000 for a sedan.
PS, Sam, it is becoming common place to fire people on a Zoom call here in the States. There was a report about that on the radio just the other day. I'm wondering if is for their own safety because people have become so unhinged anymore.
I had a feeling UAW leader these time don't have much intelligent...They don't quite understand current market downturn situation.
They got hijacked you mean
@@mukamuka0could a market downturn not be a reflection of weakening consumer spending power, poverty, and a market that has become too upmarket and expensive because no automaker wants to sell low margin cars like the Ford Fiesta?
If you don't like being treated like a disposable pos we will just ship your job off to a country that doesn't care about people, in an endless race to the bottom where workers are slaves to the 1%. Of course Sam Evans doesn't give a shit. He isn't a worker.
@@tellucasTrue
Speaking from France, it feels like in whole areas of the Anglo-Saxon world, you have so few protections for workers that a lot of you can’t even imagine a world where people, everybody, have more rights.
Ultra-rich people and companies have been lobbying forever to make regular people believe that Unions are bad. It is quite appalling to me, since there are quite a few studies about this that show a connexion between Unions and better work rights.
Otherwise, Amazon and other big companies wouldn’t fight unionization with every legal and illegal means they can think of.
Shouldn't be a surprise that companies do such things when they fire people. Decades of business experience clearly shows that they save millions by minimizing the sabotage that occurs by soon to be former employee's.
Meanwhile stellantis CEO doubled his salary
british rail train drivers would disagree with that, any time there is a hint at getting rid of staff they shut the rail system down and cripple the country, a strong union in an essential industry lets the workers make the rules
and the coal miners strikes of the 70s and 80s were a roaring success, Arthur Scargill didn't rob the union, and Britain was better-off.
Very different situational. UAW can go on shutdown factory but that's only benefit the competitors who didn't Unionize
Because they have bargaining power and there is no alternative to what they do, yet. Once there is, it will be very different. Alternative being, robots can do their jobs, they are just not cheaper than human workers, yet.
Unionised train drivers will be replaced by automated systems in the not too distant future, and train driver stricks will be a thing of the past, otherwise you are looking at a banana republic run by monkeys!
Because it is monopoly eventually it can become unprofitable compared to road transport and shutdown.
I suspect that staff at a well run companies probably don't feel the need to join unions...
Totally agree with you E Viking!
Umm...isn't the problem low cost, low regulated off shore labour? Perhaps a video about that? Also engineers and those on salary are not typically union members.
But hey the vehicle cost is going to be reduced to reflect the lower labour input cost, right? Right?
Unions care about union dues
With that attitude should you be surprised that Canada is in shambles?
Unions protect workers from exploitation. The can not stop companies from relocated to cheaper markets. There is a difference..
@@thomasreilly6362Not in America and Canada they don't.
A note for anyone reading:
Union dues are tax deductable.
@@linusmayden8465 Yes the do. The US auto union UAW won a big pay rise for it members this year
Union makes it so you work at your lowest productivity. You don’t want to work faster or harder than the person next to you. When they fire people they fire in mass for the company best interests . 2:25
Thanks!
Capitalists are fighting back at the serfs
It's neo-feudalism and the nobles are fighting the serfs.
Of course the corporations don't care about their workers. That's why we need unions but of course the influence of unions is limited.
Firing is almost alway sudden and they are told to leave immediately to avoid aggression, emotional scenes or sabotage of gear/computers etc
Seems to me unions can be helpful, but only if they are not corrupt.
Wow, I have no words to express my feelings.
We need our stable Unions, not radicalised unions...you just have to find the ones that are stable.
What you forgot to say is none of the employees fired were non union in the US. Also they just hired 4100 new employees in Detroit.
The anti-union bias is pretty strong on electric Viking. I know everything is video fodder but some of the details make me think this wasn't union related at all as many of these workers were non union.
Finally, we WILL see prices fall to half MSRP this YEAR:) Already some gladiators are 19,000 BELOW MSRP-FINALLY!
I think, when a big company in Sweden reduce the number of employees at a reasonable rate, they can do it by lowering the pension age! People get simply offers that they can't resist!
In a big company it means a lot if the pension age is reduced from 65 to 62 years old!
Nowadays also some people are hired for a certain time, and these contracts aren't renewed, and then some people are working for a company that offers job somewhere else.
It's when the staff is reduced to half in small towns you have big problems. In most places in Europe you don't have 100 or even 50 km to next "village".
And, as the Danish guy says, if you earn 20 euro/hour even at McDonald's it doesn't matter where you work for a short period of time. It's when you have to go down from 20 to 10 euro you get in trouble.
What is going on in the automotive industry now reminds me of telecomm in 1990"s. Eventually, after consolidation, buy outs, etc., There will be 3-4 mega companies. The rest will fade away into the ether.
Try that in Denmark, because off the union we have a minimum pay off 20 € pr hour even in McDonald’s, cleaning and so on.
So you dont no what you are saying.
If they do that here it Will cost alot off money fore the Company.
It is so that the lov Income people also Can have a chance to have a good life.
In germany they have no money for the lov income people, its about 10 € per hour you cant live on that salery😵💫
Thanks a mil for being a voice of reason
That's because American unions don't have a pro-worker party or movement, they got dismantled, in Denmark collective bargaining is respected because of the Social-Democrats who did their job to make sure businesses didn't squash them. American, British and Australian unions have a horrible track record. In China there is only one official union with links to the CPC but they do look out for the interest of the majority, in Huawei's case the ownership of their employees is represented by that union.
well said! i also confirm this!
Sam was talking about America. But you are mentioning Denmark and you are saying he does not know what he is talking about?
increase the pay and increase the cost of living, it all balances at a certain level
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So you saying he is a socialist?
The issue is actually value, but management only knows cost and the workers don't know how to increase value, so here we are.
Hi Sam, the Fiat 500 e is actually a good electric vehicle. With lots of good reviews. I noticed that women like it, in reviews, and at the EV show.
But not when it costs approx $60,000 AUD. That is stupid.
Buy Ora Good cat
The standard Fiat 500 was better than the general opinion, but it's target is an urban city car. The U.S. 38 mpg highway rating can be matched by larger cars. Tiny cars with no crumple zones are basically armored to add safety. The Mexican built U.S. 500 was 200 pounds heavier than the EU version, which is popular in cities with narrow 500 year old streets - it didn't fit the U.S. market. Now, the cancelled 500s is a cheap used car in the U.S. It has some issues, which are mostly inexpensive to DIY repair, but in 2024 a shop repair might be spendy. The heavier weight of the U.S. spec 500 meant that the turbocharged Abarth version is slower than most late model minivans. The safety regulations make subcompact cars unattractive by removing the fun, the high rear bodywork is a safety feature that restricts rear visibility requiring cameras to back up in a parking lot.
The electric 500 might be decent, but the price will cause many to look at a larger Tesla Model 3.
I had a 2013 500e and yes, it's a good car, but sold it when I moved to Hawaii
@DeRhamme what are you driving now ?
@@icosthop9998 I may get a Used 2017 Chevrolet Bolt
It feels like deja vu . Europe used to be the leader in mobile phone and then got killed by the chinese and america managed to get some companies to survive it seems a decade later we will find hard to see logos of VW , BMW , mercedes
I seems like Stellantis did the "Animal Slaughter Plan” movement to the workers they played off.
Unions are advantageous but they have to cooperate more internationally. Furthermore, we need to invest more in adult education and midlife skill retraining. People CAN'T be treated like a mere means of production, a cog in the wheel of the industry. It's unworthy!
Marginally cheaper foreign products aren't attractive when you are fired and your job is moved overseas. Some of those subsidized industries produce products that aren't even less expensive by the time they are shipped around the world, assuming they get past Yemen's Iran-aligned Houthi militants on ships in the Red Sea and don't encounter a temporarily closed canal or port.
Stellantis' layoff is to balance the extra cost they have to pay for last year's new union contract. I knew somebody who was non-union member got laid off because of this shortly after the new contract was reached.
Your job isn't safe but it will certainly be safer to work there + you won't be underpaid to do it.
China attracts western companies to make profit from low wages and yes government subsidies. Most think only the Chinese companies are getting subsidies but many of the western companies moving operations there also get it. Because of China's superior supply chain, logistics and cost to operations there, almost every western company will move their operations to China. Capitalism and democracy are two seperate things.
They are already there, and losing production and profit. The legacy auto companies will partner with existing Chinese EV car manufacturers.
And still struggle to survive.
Finance capitalism and parliamentary democracy co-evolved/invented near Amsterdam btwn 1700 and 1900. This included the first stock owned banks and corporate citizens. China is industrial capitalist which was invented in the Colonies. The founders thought democracy was the worst form of government.
@@linoiovenitti7207 Ya I think you are right there.
Then along came the Houthis and ruined that party :)
The cost for labor in China is now the highest in the world. The only reason business is still being done in China is because of the sunken cost fallacy of the factories set up there. The CCP is not a healthy business partner.
It feels a bit like 2007
Look to see tens of thousands of salaried engineers being reduced out due to the switch to EV. Look at how many jobs are phased out when ICE engine design/development/foundry/machining work is eliminated...same goes for the transmissions.
A big if could also be in play- if giga castings become the norm, then a lot more jobs are reduced out in the stamped parts area of the vehicle. And yes, there are a lot of hourly positions that would be eliminated here as well....the next union contract will be the most contentious one.......
With the introduction of robots there will be no use for the average human.
Fiat is manufacturing in Serbia starting late this year.
If large numbers of people get fired from their job then there will be far fewer people to buy ev's and sales of ev's will go down.
No job is guaranteed, what is protected is your compensation. Just like management is protected. Professionals have unions, they just aren't called unions.
Unionizing is literally, among other things, creating a looming threat over the head of the employer that you will block the thing that makes your job possible. It used to be about improving conditions which was slowly adding costs but making condition fair. It's not about that for a long time.
The non-union workers cannot even afford the vehicles they make. What do you suggest would be a better solution?
Remote layoffs reduces chances of work place violence
Morning mate
What have unions done , 4weeks holidays, job site safety, fair wages , 8 hour day , overtime pay rates ect ect
Not four weeks of vacation, five weeks, sometimes six or seven weeks, or you work two weeks and are two weeks off.
Unions are there to improve safely. Without unions there is no safety.
Near shoring -- a business strategy that involves companies shifting their manufacturing and production operations closer to their main markets, allowing them to reduce transportation costs and deliver their products faster to customers.
So glad to see TSLA stock headed lower.
Tesla's competition is coming All over them self 😂
Wonder if ChatGPT will want union representation.
This move shows that nobody can manufacture at a lower cost per unit than China.
its too expensive to do business in the US and not to even mention canada.
If you get fired the way you get revenge is go to work for the competition and do amazing work there.
In unions, your job is secured if jobs are available
Stupid thing about comments like these is that even if you don't want to be in a Union in this country you're still getting the benefits that Unions have fought for over the years.
Whilst pontificating on it all how do you think that we have all the benefits we enjoy here whilst buying stuff cheaper from other countries where workers get way less or have worse conditions of employment.
People really are rather dim and short sighted imo.
Oh well enjoy the race to the bottom people as my Union benefits whilst working and a nice juicy payout when made redundant mean I no longer have to work and haven't for a few years.
Even whilst I'm not working our Union Superannuation is growing faster than we're spending money.
Unions do protect jobs, when other Unions support them. It won’t be long before the Unions that run the ports in Europe will start to blockade Chinese imports, surprised it hasn’t happened already.
It would be bizarre for unions and the EPP to be in the same boat
Unions can and do protect workers but you also can get sold out by your Leadership…
the union guarantees that the worst workers can't be fired--deadwood forever,and "grievances"forever...
People forget, the ONLY reason for a company to exist, is to make sufficient money to be worthwhile. If Stellantis isn't making enough to pay the shareholders what they want, the only solutions are to raise prices or cut costs. Its business and has nothing to do with caring for employees.
those automaking companies that are union should have to pay union dues to the UAW for EACH robot they put in..they are replacing union jobs with robots so they should have to pay a penalty to the union for each one, then the money goes to the other union members.
Sam, the neocon!
Getting fired means that the individual loses their job because they have been performing poorly. Getting laid off means the person loses their job through no fault of their own. Were all those employees goofing off on the job or were they laid off because they were no longer needed?
They should contact Fisker and make Europe stronger again in car industry!
Unionised workforces generally negotiate better redundancy agreements.
Np one says that Sam
The UAW just got to Greedy
Unions doesn't prevent layoffs but do protect the rights of workers from abuse by companies!👍
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Kinda sounds like a "bloodbath" brewing up.
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Union or not, it really doesn't matter. For every worker you hire in the west, you can hire about five equivalent workers (probably harder working and less BS) in the global south for the same salary. They used to get away with it because Western car companies are far more technologically advanced, so people don't have a choice. When it comes to EVs, where everyone is on a level playing field, of course all the factories have to move.
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so much for their pay raise, victims of their own actions
That is not true. Unions as a propose, to protect workers, make pressure in governent, and inform the workers for their rights.
When it is to fire every body they might receive more money. Without unions we were like in the time of Ford T.
At least in the US, the job market is pretty good. The only problem is, people may have to move to another state and start all over again with government benefits, etc.
You have no idea the number of these guys who will be divorced. In Michigan 90% of men are married to stay-at-home wives!
What is a good way to be fired?
What’s more is that Stellantis CEO asked the Italian government more funds or he’ll move the production abroad. Over the last decades Italy has given around 250B euro to Fiat automotive of people’s money in order to keep the production going. At the same time our “Union” is completely absent, useless. No one in Italy is happy with Stellantis, the Elkann family destroyed the Italian automotive industry. I feel sorry for the thousands of employees
We all just numbers to the corporations. Corporations won't care even if you have been with them 30 years, when the time comes they will let you go.
Yep happened to us in spite of being profitable.
It's a dog eat dog world so unless you want to go hungry you will need some way to negotiate and level the playing field.
Few people question the obscene increases we've seen in CEO and senior management remunerations over the years but if people mention Unions so many start to cry about it all.
Unions do a great job of getting better salaries and conditions for workers in return for reducing the longevity of those jobs .
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Sam, your closing words "If you are not disrupting someone else, you are being disrupted." are so necessary for so many to hear. This ain't your daddy's rodeo, which may explain why people feel like they've just got kicked in the head.
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Those workers would have fired, regardless of their status as union members. The union just fights for benefits. The benefits they gained last year were because they were unionized.
Sad story but this was coming for long time - the advancement gap between the West and the rest of the world, notably China (but not only) has shrunk. It's time to make room for new big players and scale down. There is no way out.
China ceased being a low cost labour country several years ago
They still save money, though medical , subs. and taxes
Just wait until the used car market continues to crash for electric cars due to a flood of new and gently used cars. When you can get a Model 3 for less than a Corolla with less miles now the ICE companies have a problem. More ICE customers experiencing an ev
Yahahah people can be ignorant and slightly less agile in the mental department. But we have to protect them some how. We have to take them with us somehow.
My dad told me that back in the day before the Union come about Mini was selling for about £300 then the Union jumped in and the price for the Mine went to £600
What is Tesla going to say to his employees when he introduces the robots? What a shit way to treat employee's.
Sam, what about slavery? Cutting costs! Cheap EVs…
A great deal of the benefits that employees take for granted were fought for and won by unions. Employers are only really interested in profit, always have been, always will be and ideally would have employees work for free, with zero benefits. Only actually paying you the least they can get away with. It swings both ways, but a good employer has nothing to fear from a good union.
Stellanitis didn't have the balls to tell you to your face your fired. I'll never buy from them.
Can they sell in China and India too?
Time will show
Still better off in union then not as a working person.
Legalized extortion
Stellantis is a company that has no idea that is clueless about auto manufacturing.
What consumers want and price point.
The CEO is a complete idiot.
Looking at prices I seen a Jeep Rubicon X for over 90k ???
They are not above Toyota.
"The union I was in didn't care about their members". Just because you were in a shit union doesn't mean that all unions are shit. In the same way if you have a shit boss doesn't mean that all bosses are shit.
Tarring all unions as being "a waste of members' wages" is just being intellectually lazy, or biased, or both. There are good companies and bad companies, and there are good unions and bad unions.
If capitalists are able to organise (companies) then why can't workers (unions)?
My thoughts exactly! Thank you!
Unions, LoL!
Unions in the long run, are only good for Unions.