Joseph had children from a previous marriage in a book I read. Mary married into an existing family. So James the Just was a brother by marriage to Jesus.
No Jewish man when dying would give their mother to someone else if he had a brother. This is why Jesus gave his mother to John. I. E. There was no younger brother of Jesus to take her in.
he would if they said he was crazy. at least that's what the bible says. it also says that his family are those that hear the word of god and do it. try reading it sometime.
You forget that Jesus' brothers had rejected Jesus and His ministry until after His resurrection. They were not there at the cross. Just Mary was there and Jesus' cultural responsibility was to make sure His mother was taken care of because it seems that Mary's husband (Joseph) was no longer present. We don't know anything about Joseph after Jesus was 12 years old.
What’s does it mean in Matthew 1:25 when it says that Joseph did not know Mary until after she had gave birth to Jesus? Because doesn’t it use the word “know” in the same way Adam “knew” eve? Genuine question and forgive me if I’ve understood it wrong.
None of those translations say Joseph later had relations with Mary. You're adding that to the text. Early Christians understood the original language and culture - and they believed Mary remained a virgin.
@@fantasia55 So Matthew was not an early Christian? New International Version But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. New Living Translation But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. English Standard Version but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. Berean Standard Bible But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus. Berean Literal Bible But he did not know her until she had brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus. King James Bible And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. New King James Version and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS. New American Standard Bible but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus. NASB 1995 but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. NASB 1977 and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. Legacy Standard Bible but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. Amplified Bible but he kept her a virgin until she had given birth to a Son [her firstborn child]; and he named Him Jesus (The LORD is salvation). Christian Standard Bible but did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he named him Jesus. Holman Christian Standard Bible but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus. American Standard Version and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS. Contemporary English Version But they did not sleep together before her baby was born. Then Joseph named him Jesus. English Revised Version and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS. GOD'S WORD® Translation He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Jesus. Good News Translation But he had no sexual relations with her before she gave birth to her son. And Joseph named him Jesus. International Standard Version He did not have marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he named him Jesus. Majority Standard Bible But he had no union with her until she gave birth to her firstborn Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus. NET Bible but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus. New Heart English Bible and had no marital relations with her until she had brought forth a son; and he named him Jesus. Webster's Bible Translation And knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son: and he called his name JESUS. Weymouth New Testament but did not live with her until she had given birth to a son. The child's name he called JESUS. World English Bible and didn’t know her sexually until she had given birth to her firstborn son. He named him Jesus. Literal Translations Literal Standard Version and did not know her until she brought forth her Son-the firstborn, and he called His Name Jesus. Berean Literal Bible But he did not know her until she had brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus. Young's Literal Translation and did not know her till she brought forth her son -- the first-born, and he called his name Jesus. Smith's Literal Translation And he took to himself his wife, and knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and be called his name Jesus. Catholic Translations Douay-Rheims Bible And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Catholic Public Domain Version And he knew her not, yet she bore her son, the firstborn. And he called his name JESUS. New American Bible He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus. New Revised Standard Version but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus. Translations from Aramaic Lamsa Bible And he did not know her until she gave birth to her first-born son; and she called his name Jesus. Aramaic Bible in Plain English And he did not know her sexually until she delivered her firstborn son, and she called his name Yeshua. NT Translations Anderson New Testament and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son. And he called his name Jesus. Godbey New Testament and he took his wife to himself, and did not know her until she brought forth a son, and called his name Jesus. Haweis New Testament and he knew her not, until she had brought forth her son, the first begotten, and he called his name Jesus. Mace New Testament but did not cohabit with her as a wife, before she had-brought forth her first-born son; whom he named JESUS. Weymouth New Testament but did not live with her until she had given birth to a son. The child's name he called JESUS. Worrell New Testament and he knew her not, until she brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus. Worsley New Testament and he knew her not, till she brought forth her Son the first-born, and he called his name Jesus
@@fantasia55 So you know ancient Greek? Matthew 1 25but knew [1097] her not until [2193] she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. 2193. heós Strong's Lexicon heós: until, till, as far as, up to Original Word: ἕως Part of Speech: Adverb Transliteration: heós Pronunciation: heh-os' Phonetic Spelling: (heh'-oce) Definition: until, till, as far as, up to Meaning: (a) conj: until, (b) prep: as far as, up to, as much as, until. Word Origin: A primary particle of time or place Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H5704 (עַד, 'ad): Often translated as "until" or "as far as," similar in usage to "ἕως" in marking time or spatial limits. - H5703 (עַד, 'ad): Another Hebrew term for "forever" or "until," used in contexts of time duration. Usage: The Greek word "ἕως" (heós) is primarily used as a conjunction or preposition to denote a point in time or space. It is often translated as "until" or "till" when referring to time, and "as far as" or "up to" when referring to space. In the New Testament, it frequently marks the end of a period or the extent of an action or event. Cultural and Historical Background: In the context of the New Testament, "ἕως" is used to express temporal limits or boundaries, which was a common linguistic feature in Koine Greek. Understanding the cultural and historical context of timekeeping and spatial boundaries in the ancient world can provide deeper insight into the use of "ἕως." The concept of time was often linked to significant events, religious observances, and agricultural cycles, which influenced how periods were marked and understood. 1097. ginóskó Strong's Lexicon ginóskó: To know, to come to know, to recognize, to perceive Original Word: γινώσκω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: ginóskó Pronunciation: ghin-oce'-ko Phonetic Spelling: (ghin-oce'-ko) Definition: To know, to come to know, to recognize, to perceive Meaning: I am taking in knowledge, come to know, learn; aor: I ascertained, realized. Word Origin: A primary verb Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H3045 - יָדַע (yada): To know, to perceive, to understand. This Hebrew verb shares a similar range of meanings with "ginóskó," emphasizing relational and experiential knowledge. Usage: The Greek verb "ginóskó" primarily means "to know" or "to come to know." It implies a knowledge that is gained through experience or personal relationship. In the New Testament, it often denotes an intimate or relational knowledge, as opposed to mere intellectual understanding. This verb is used to describe both human and divine knowledge, including the knowledge of God, self-awareness, and understanding of others. Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, knowledge was highly valued, often associated with philosophical inquiry and understanding of the divine. The Hebrew concept of knowledge, which influences the New Testament usage, emphasizes relational and experiential knowledge. In the biblical context, "ginóskó" often reflects a deep, personal relationship, such as the knowledge between God and His people or between individuals in a covenant relationship. HELPS Word-studies 1097 ginṓskō - properly, to know, especially through personal experience (first-hand acquaintance). 1097 /ginṓskō ("experientially know") is used for example in Lk 1:34, "And Mary [a virgin] said to the angel, 'How will this be since I do not know (1097 /ginṓskō = sexual intimacy) a man?"
@@fantasia55 hey, I’m not trying to add to the text brother I’m simply saying what it already says. It said he didn’t know her until after she had gave birth to Jesus so that would naturally imply it was only after then that he had “known” her I.e relations unless of course the word “know” isn’t the same that’s used when Adam “knew” eve
Mt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3 Who are these brothers? (Observations in parentheses) James (there are two), Joses, Simon (the Zealot or Canaanite) and Judas (Thaddaeus). And John (Apostle), who received Mary under the cross as her son. In total six brothers. *James (1) and Joses:* -John 19:25 His mother, and his mother's sister (relative), Mary the wife of Cleophas (Mt.27:56), and Mary Magdalene were standing next to the cross of Jesus. -Mt.27:56 among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary (of Cleophas, relative of the Virgin Mary-Jn.19:25) *THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSES,* and the mother of the sons of Zebedee. (Mk. 15:40, 47). *James (2) and John* -Matthew 20:20 Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to him with her sons. -Mark 3:17 to James (2) *SON* of Zebedee, and to John (Apostle) brother of James (2) -Mark 10:35 Then James and John, *SONS OF Zebedee.* *Simon* -Mark 3:18 to Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James (1) son of Alphaeus (Cleophas), Thaddeus (Judas), Simon *THE CANAANITE* (neither a Nazarene nor a Galilean like Jesus) *Judas* -Jude 1:1 Judas, SERVANT (not brother) of Jesus Christ, and *brother of James* (1, of Cleophas). More passages to reflect on? Mt. 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, called the Christ. (If we read from verse 1, we see that when someone fathers more children, he tells us so. As for Joseph, HE DID NOT BEGET ANYONE, he just says that he was a husband and that's it.) Mt. 2:11 And upon entering the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary (we are clear that there are still no “little brothers”). 13 After they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, Arise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt. 16 Herod then, when he saw himself deceived by the wise men, became very angry, and ordered the killing of all the children under TWO YEARS OLD that were in Bethlehem and in all its surroundings, according to the time that he had inquired of the wise men. (So, like Herod, we INQUIRE that Jesus was at most two years old. If Jesus was already two years old, there could at least already be a “little brother”, but Joseph only took Mary and Jesus to Egypt, he does not mention to someone else.) 19 But after Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in Egypt in a dream, 20 saying, "Get up, take the child and his mother, and go to the land of Israel, because those who sought the death of the child are dead." . (Here it does not say how old Jesus was when he returned, but there is data from when Herod died. It is estimated that Jesus would be between 4 and 5 years old, but still no “little brother(s)” appears in the scripture, something that cannot be not mentioned, because if Matthew mentions those “brothers”, why not before he is telling about this journey?) Luke 2:41-52. Here, Jesus, is lost at 12 years old. We know that his parents are looking for him and when they find him they return home. It is mentioned in verse 44 that they were looking for him “among relatives and acquaintances,” but the existence of brothers is never mentioned. Mt. 13:55, Is this not the SON (singular) of the carpenter? Mc. 6:3 “Is not this the carpenter, SON of Mary?” It does not say “one of the sons.” He is only one. So yes, they are brothers (not blood brothers) of Jesus, but not children of Mary. 1 Cor. 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once. (Jesus did have more brothers, more than five hundred!! But NOT CHILDREN OF MARY).
JESUS IS NOT MENTIONED AS A SON TO JOSEPH, ALSO BROTHER'S ARE'NT MENTIONED BECAUSE HE IS THE SON OF GOD NOT MAN, HENCE WHY AT THE CROSS HE TOLD MARY WHO HER SON WAS. IT DOESN'T MEAN MARY STAYED CHILDLESS. THAT WOULD BE MUCH LIKE WHAT WE SAY MUHAMMAD DID TO AISHA. BY NATURE, GOD WOULD NOT WANT MARY TO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN WHEN IT'S IN GOD'S NATURE/DESIGN FOR HIS CREATION/CHILDREN TO REPROCREATE. GENESIS 1:28 9:1 & 7 DEUTERONOMY 7:14 SAM IS A VICTIM OF HIS CULTURE AND RELIGION THAT BLINDS HIM IN SOME WAYS...ITS SAD...HE'S THERE, BUT NEEDS TO FREE HIMSELF OF RELIGION/LEGALISM. GOD IS RELATION NOT RELIGION. WE HAVENT HAD CHURCHES FROM THE BEGINNING IE THE GARDEN. WE MUST GO BACK TO THAT ANCIENT RECONNECTION TO ABBA. AMOS 5:21-23 SAMUEL 18
Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of Mary’s perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus. Mark 6:3 - Jesus was always referred to as “the” son of Mary, not “a” son of Mary. Also “brothers” could have theoretically been Joseph’s children from a former marriage that was dissolved by death. However, it is most likely, perhaps most certainly, that Joseph was a virgin, just as were Jesus and Mary. As such, they embodied the true Holy Family, fully consecrated to God.
Ezekiel 44 isn’t messianic. All scholarship I can find indicates it is speaking of a figure that will serve under the Lord. considering that the 'Prince' in the passage has to provide a sin offering for himself, something that certainly doesn’t describe our Lord.
✝️ Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen. Hallelujah.
Also, if you didn’t mention it, when Jesus was on the cross, he told John the beloved to take care of his mother. If it would’ve been a brother, we obviously would have mentioned them first.
@@donhaddix3770 In Jewish tradition if the father had a brother who died, it was the brothers obligation to marry, and raise the children of the brother, and obviously marry his sister in law they very much become a part of the family. That’s why you would mention it.
@luvpamelanewton you just added your own thoughts to what's written. What's written is simply that He was replacing the son that she was about to lose. No more, no less. And this ALSO puts a nail in the coffin of the idea that Mary is the "mother of God". Jesus gave her a diwciple to replace Himself as her son. He did this DESPITE THE FACT that He knew that He would return to life in 3 days and also never die again. If He intended to remain her son, He would have. But instead, He gave her a replacement. Do the math. God, by nature, has no mother or beginning.
Shamoun my wife is Vietnamese and they often call their 1 and second cousins their brother and sister. Like we are brothers and sisters of Christ through Adoption by the Father. So why are there not many Protestants with missing hands, feet and eyes? After all the children from the tribe you belong to is also your brother and sister. They are your cousins too, if it wasn’t for the Protestants removing the book of Tobit, his father sent his son to the home of his cousin and a member of the tribe from whom he belonged. Tobit was to take for his wife a (cousin) where in most it says a sister he should marry. I even address my brothers and sisters in Christ when I teach, listen carefully to Shamoun he is your elder brother in Christ because he is knowledgeable of the study of church history and the church fathers who we as faithful in Christ are brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ. 14:09
those "brothers" are identified in the Bible as the sons of another Mary, wife of Clopas. Matthew 27 55 There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; 56 among whom were Mary Mag′dalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zeb′edee. (the james and joseph mentioned in chapter 13) Mark 15 40 There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag′dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger[f] and of Joses, and Salo′me, 41 who, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered to him John 19 25 So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home. (this also proves that the words “brother” and “sister” don’t necessarily mean blood relations, because the Blessed Mother was an only child)
So biblically 'brother & sister' doesn't mean siblings only 'cousins' or something. This is more straining the straightforward to absurdity to fit your 'miraculous' agenda. This is too obvious & just makes you look ridiculous.
@@DanielFerguson-j9uinstead of calling someone a bit confused, pick up that Bible and give some clarity. I too understood it as though they were not sons of Mary mother of Jesus. Explain to me how it is shown that they are?
@@DanielFerguson-j9uWait what? Literally you are reading Greek texts, and traditions of ancient Israel. You have to take in consideration historical context, and how they would refer to each other. You have to be a little more informed in order to know what's really going on. There is some ambiguity here because in that time, that part of the world, and the words used in Greek, does make it difficult to determine if these were actual Brothers or cousins or even brothers in faith. If there is something a little more nuanced that shows exactly who they are, please show it to us
Matthew 1:24-25 “Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.” To know a husband or wife in the biblical sense is to lay with them in the marriage bed.. so please stop following a false doctrine.
@@shivadizayin Okay explain me how can someone not have son until death, so what does it mean? That the mather must first die to give birth 2 Samuel 6, 23 So for Michal the daughter of Saul, she had no child until the day of her death. Or maybe until does not require change of state, otherwise Michal would birth child after her death
Mr shamoun look at the people at the foot of the cross, it is written that these same brothers and sisters are the children of Mary the wife of cloepas which is the cousin of Mary the mother of Jesus. From here we came to know that these brothers are the cousins of Jesus
@@DanielFerguson-j9u they were the same names that were mentioned earlier as the brothers of Jesus, the Bible uses the word brothers because there was no name for cousins in the language of Jesus Christ
In the Gospel there is a woman, the follower of Jesus named Mary a sister (cousin) of Mary, Jesus Mother (John 19.25) Matthew 13.55 - “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Matthew 27.56 - Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons. Mark 15.47 - Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph saw where he was laid. John 19.25 - Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
I don’t understand why the Bible would have Mary with his brothers at least 4 times. The most convincing is when they say in Nazareth, “are these not his brothers?” Also, consummating a marriage and having children is no sin. It is a very good example to us.
@loveyourenemy7796 " Also, consummating a marriage ..." ok, we know they were betrothed, but show me in scripture when/where their marriage wedding occurred?
@ In this situation there may not have been a big wedding, since it was quick and they were poor. But the following passages are clear that they were legally married: “Then Joseph also ascended from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to be declared, with Mary his espoused wife, who was with child.” Luke 2:4-5 CPDV Joseph had to declare himself of royal lineage because the Caesar required everyone who was, to do so. He espoused Mary before they went to Bethlehem and became formally legal. “When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife,” Matthew 1:24 NRSV-CI Notice that as you know, they were already betrothed, THEN Joseph took her as his WIFE.
Where in the Bible does it say that any of Jesus' brothers are Mary's children? It never once does. You can't claim to be "sola scriptura" while also denying Mary's perpetual virginity because there is not a single inference anywhere in scripture that Mary had any other biological children after Jesus.
@loveyourenemy7796 You dont understand Jewish marriage customs back then. They were married, but were not yet living together. Church Fathers understood this.
@@barako888 I'm sorry, but this is all based on assumptions that contradict what the Text actually says. And, why? Because we assume/contrived it would not be right that Mary could have done a 'common' thing? Sex in a biblical marriage is blessed by God. Matt 1:25 even heavily implies (to the point of basically saying it) that she did have sex with Joseph after Jesus was born.
According to most great theologians and church fathers James was a real Brother and NOT Cousin. Biased catholic translations one can find also about Grace.
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These people left the Truth long time ago and created gods they now serve. This popish faith has nothing to do with Christianity. Mark 7:8 For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition. Joshua 24:15 But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit. Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
Why does this doctrine exist (perpetual virginity of Mary)? Is it not because people believed sex to be a dirty or unclean thing and did not want Mary to be disparaged by such a common thing? Biblically, sex (in it's proper context) is blessed by God. I see no reason why Mary having biological children after Christ diminishes her in any way.
Because every heresy or wrong doctrine against the virgin Mary is in true against the Crist, because those lies tries to atack the humanity of Jesus. Secondily, remember that God put the devil against the women in the book of genesis. Thats why the devil always try to create things that go against the Holy Mary, atacking the Son and the Women at the same time. Thats why we must to defend Mary every time, because doing this, we defend Jesus, i. His human nature and the profecies about the women that is the Holy Mary.
And what is the meaning? Matthew 1 18a This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, ... Luke 1 31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. ... 34How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin [andra ou ginóskó = A MAN NOT I KNOW]?” 35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Matthew 1 18b ... she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. ... 20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ... 24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and embraced Mary as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until [ouk eginōsken autēn heōs = NOT KNEW HER UNTIL] she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus. ***** Mark 6 3Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and THE BROTHER of JAMES*, Joses, JUDAS*, and Simon? Aren’t HIS SISTERS here with us as well?” And they took offense at Him. Jude 1 1JUDE*, a servant of Jesus Christ and a BROTHER of JAMES*, 1Corinthians 15 7Then He appeared to JAMES*, then to all the apostles. Galatians 1 19But I saw none of the other apostles except JAMES*, THE LORD’S BROTHER.
John the Baptist was Jesus’s cousin, and there’s no reference to calling John His brother. If Joseph and Mary wanted to remain virgins, why get married in the first place? Culturally speaking, at the time kids were a blessing from God. Not being able to carry children was assumed to be a judgment from God. Why wouldn’t she have kids? I actually find this whole point of discussion distasteful. Why does anybody care? What’s the importance of it all?
St judas and St James were sons of Clopas, Mary of Clopas. He was brother of St Joseph Jesus' father and she was cousin of our blessed mother St Mary.... Maria Valtorta The Gospel As Revealed to Me
No… Mary was and is sanctified grounds… as Moses avoided defiling his body with sexual relations after encountering God, Mary never allowed anyone to defile her sanctification. She was holy ground.
Is marriage not a sanctification in the eyes of God? How does doing the things one does in a sanctified marriage, violate her being sanctified as the mother of Jesus?
@@biblicalchristianity1016 Are you comparing an encounter with Christ to getting married? Having a Child with Christ is supposed to be disregarded and trampled on? The jews did have relations with those who are touched by God.
@spartanastas while God the Son is eternal, Jesus the man is not. Until Jesus the man was baptized, was he just an ordinary man, living an ordinary life, doing ordinary things? The gnostic infancy gospels would have us believe otherwise, but no mention is made in the Bible of Jesus living an extraordinary life before his baptism. Except once, on his bar mitzvah, when he stayed behind in Jerusalem to debate with the priests and elders. Thus the capacity was there, but hidden. Meaning that no one had an encounter with God the Son until the appointed time. Up until that point, they had an encounter with Jesus the boy, youth, man. Which is why no one who knew Jesus growing up, his family, his village, accepted Jesus as the Messiah until after the resurrection.
It's strange that some people feel the need to deny that brothers & sisters means real brothers & sisters, not step siblings but actual full siblings. Why do you need to invent a problem here where none exists. The Bible nowhere says Mary was a perpetual virgin, but it clearly states that Jesus had brothers & sisters.
@@DanielFerguson-j9u also let us not forget their other claim about Mary, that she was sinless like Jesus. Despite Jesus telling us that only God is good, and Paul telling us that none are righteous, no not one. They really are trying their damnest to turn Mary into an immaculate goddess worthy of worship. I'm sure she would be horrified by this turn of events.
@@DanielFerguson-j9u no it does not state so. It actually states that some individuals were known as brothers & sisters of Jesus but being know as, and actually being, are not the same. Show the verse that states that those were indeed Jesus's siblings and not that they were known as so. Because according to the same Bible, Abraham and Lot were not sibling although they were known as so.
Sam Thank you for the videos. I grew up Catholic in Poland and we were taught that Joseph was old and his wife died and he had children. I do have another question I have been thinking about it. So by the power of the Holy Ghost Mary conceived Jesus. The Holy Ghost can be “ considered “ her spiritual spouse since they produced Jesus. The two became one. In some of the Marian writings they refer that the Holy Spirit was the spouse. Therefore Mary did not have a sexual relationship with Joseph. Sorry I may not make much sense but I keep thinking about it. But I may be completely wrong and I was wondering what your thoughts are ? Do you know if any of the Church doctors had a similar intake? How about the Old Testament ? Thank you for your consideration.
Our parish priest, a Capuchin friar whom I greatly respect, told me that the brothers of Jesus mentioned in the gospel were Joseph's children from his previous marriage. So that's the stance I'm going to take, I think it's better grounded in tradition and scripture than the cousin theory. Although neither position is heretical, they both affirm our blessed Lady's perpetual virginity.
@@biblicalchristianity1016 Because that is a belief that all Christians are obligated to hold. We follow the infallible teachings of the Church as a matter of humility and obedience to Christ, who said "what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven". If you don't believe this, you may still be a Christian, you're just not very good at it.
No biblical support from that and it was clear that the word for literal brothers was used. There's also no biblical support for the idea that Joseph had family and children before Mary. Whenever Jesus' brothers visited him, it was always with his Mother.
According to biblical accounts, Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary until after Jesus was born. This is explicitly stated in Matthew 1:25, which says, “But he did not consummate the marriage until she had given birth to a son. And he named him Jesus.” The term “consummate the marriage” refers to the first sexual intercourse between a married couple. In the context of Jewish customs at the time, Mary and Joseph were considered married even before the marriage was consummated. They were betrothed, which was a legally binding agreement that could only be terminated by a formal divorce decree. During the betrothal period, they were expected to remain celibate.
@@rdee8829 Rubbish. Where did you get that from? A formal Biblical divorce only applied to couples who were fully married (marriage having been consummated). The penalty that Mary faced having been found pregnant without having been formally married to Joseph was stoning to death.
@@thejohannreinshow2497 You make no sense. If Jesus had brothers he wouldn't have told John to look after her. Also you're lying about the word literally meaning brother. Watch the Video and stop being dumb
With the exception of Simon , you find in the following scriptures the father and mother of all those those to whom the Protestants claim are children of the Blessed Mother. However, Jude has a letter in the Bible where he identifies himself as the brother of James and not Jesus. Had Jude been the brother ofJesus, he would not have wasted the opportunity to address the people to whom his writing to, to identify himself as the brother of Jesus as opposed to the brother of James. Simon in the other hand I can’t find the parents but we know he’s a Canaanite and Jesus was from Nazareth or Galilee so there’s no way that Simon was the son of Mary. Marc 3:16-19 16 And Simon he surnamed Peter; 17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: 18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite, 19 And Judas Iscariot, which also betrayed him: and they went into an house. Matthew 27:56 56 Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons. John 19:25 25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. Jude 1 1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: 2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
So, according to fantasia55 Matthew was no early Christian. Her profile name seems to be her mind-set that is pure Bible discrediting fantasy. Mary WASN'T MARRIED with Joseph and it was not sure that they will. Therefore they had NO SEX during betrophal. No sexual intimicy during this time corresponds the biblicalaccount. Otherwise Joseph would not have been astonished/concerned about a pregnancy and he would have had no reason to quit the betrophal. To protect her, Joseph got the order to promptly marry Mary but they didn't have SEX UNTIL Jesus was born. If there was an everlasting virginity of Mary then Matthew, the other gospels and the New Testament could have clearly mentioned it. But the contrary is the case. No unbiased reader will understand the following verses like her, Sam and the CC: Matthew 1 18a This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, ... Luke 1 31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. ... 34How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin [andra ou ginóskó = A MAN NOT I KNOW]?” 35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Matthew 1 18b ... she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. ... 20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ... 24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and embraced Mary as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until [ouk eginōsken autēn heōs = NOT KNEW HER UNTIL] she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus. ***** Mark 6 3Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and THE BROTHER of JAMES*, Joses, JUDAS*, and Simon? Aren’t HIS SISTERS here with us as well?” And they took offense at Him. Jude 1 1JUDE*, a servant of Jesus Christ and a BROTHER of JAMES*, 1Corinthians 15 7Then He appeared to JAMES*, then to all the apostles. Galatians 1 19But I saw none of the other apostles except JAMES*, THE LORD’S BROTHER. P.S. And certainly fantasia55 also speaks to people from beyond, e.g. Mary and Saints. This is pure pagan occultism.
Silly Sam. Ignoring God's Word and accusing the Holy Spirit of misleading him to his false conclusions. You win an argument by making up facts that don't exist anywhere? Joseph had children from a previous marriage? Sorry, the Holy Spirit didn't lead you to lies. And no, I don't trust spurious works that deny the Scriptures. And why didn't Sam discuss the Biblical evidence proving that Mary and Joseph consummated their marriage? "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till (UNTIL) she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Matthew 1:24-25 Yes "till" means exactly that in the original Greek. heōs - till, until, a conjunction, preposition and adverb of continuance, until (of time and place):-even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long Sorry, Sam, your wayward church fathers don't refute God's Word, which is inspired and breathed by HIM, not the harlot Roman Catholic church. Joseph had a beautiful wife, and God allowed them to enjoy each other in every way, including as man and wife, all the days their life together. If you can read anything into the text, it's that. A husband leaves his mother and father and becomes ONE flesh with his wife. Joseph and Mary became ONE flesh in accordance with God's design.
@@fantasia55 It's not a stretch to know that a husband had marital relations with his wife. It IS a stretch to believe that husband and wife did NOT have marital relations, though. And Matthew 1:24-25 clearly shows that they did AFTER Jesus was born.
@@fantasia55 So Joseph lied to the census authorities in Bethlehem when they asked him of he was the Father of Yeshua?. If Joseph wasn't the biological father of Yeshua - then Yeshua was not the Messiah of the royal line of King David.
We don't. Just more thing cathokics have made up to suit them. Bible clearly staes he has brothers and sisters. John the Baptist was a cousin but bible never calls him his brother does it. They can not stand the idea that Mary had a normal husband and wife relation after Jesus birth. Also try to connect thw names to his apostles even those these are exceedingly common names. Like we have 3 Mary's together all the time. Several James, John's, Simon's. But because this Mary also had 2 sons by the name of James and John they are whom the bible is referring to. Nah. Even Paul calls James ( after he comes to believe his brother was mesiah) the Lords brother. It was not sinful for Mary to not remain a Virgin. Relax guys. She is still Holy and Blessed just not a perpetual virgin. Very poor explanation from Sam. Is it not more concise to say relatives when referring to mother, brothers and sisters. By your explanation is he also denying Mary as a mother by calling her a mere relative.
Where do you get the notion that everything must be in the Bible? The gospels having been written by Matthew Mark Luke John is not is the Bible. You believe it because early Christian writers said so. Early Christian writers also said those siblings were not Mary's children.
Anyone who truly believes in Jesus Christ knows that Our Lady gave us the Holy Rosery and told us to Pray it daily. One of the Promises she gave to those that Pray it properly every day was that ," All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my ONLY SON Jesus Christ. Enough said. 🙏💓🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹.
They were its cousins: John 19:25 - Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. By comparing Matthew 27:56, Mark 15:40 and John 19:25, we find that James and Joseph - mentioned in Matthew 13:55 with Simon and Jude as Jesus’ “brothers” - are also called sons of Mary, wife of Clopas. This other Mary (Matthew 27:61, 28:1) is called Our Lady’s adelphe in John 19.
The Bible does not call Mary a perpetual virgin, some man did. And in order to prove this man correct, the Bible is denied. Why is Mary being a perpetual virgin so important, that people are willing to twist the plain meaning of the Bible to hold to this man-made teaching?
Seems to me that WHAT MAN would even DARE defile such a virtuous woman? I think that EVEN IF HE COULD ( which he COULD have done as he was her legal husband) , Joseph would not dare to be intimate with Mary just out of PURE RESPECT. Besides, sometimes there was a BIG price to pay for virgins that defiled themselves or were defiled. Roman Vestal virgins WERE BURRIED ALIVE if found to be defiled and their sexual partner was publicly beaten to death. It was common in those times (and even today) for young girls to be separated/dedicated to remain virgins throughout all or part of their life. Virginity was regarded as the highest state, widowhood was second, wifehood, last. As such, I see NO LOGICAL REASON AT ALL for Joseph to do something like that, especially when an angel was sent to him to warn him that Mary was to have a CHILD and realizing it was not his, but of God.
Hey Sam, Luther, Calvin and Zwingley all believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary. Can you speak on who was the first Protestant/evangelical to start teaching that Mary wasn’t a perpetual virgin and that the brothers and sisters of Jesus were his biological siblings. Thanks brother!
Apart from Jesus passing his mother to the Apostle John instead of a " brother" , additionally, it was Joseph of Arimathea that asked for His body not a "brother". Joseph is not mwntioned after the age of 12, as he was so old he had passed away by the time He was 30. Joseph must have been related to the Virgin Mary eg a possible uncle, otherwise how could Jeaus be a descendant of David
In the revelations that came to Edgar Cayce he declared that Jesus was born by the virgin Mary under the influence of the Holy Spirit. But he also insisted that Mary and Joseph abstained from sexual relations for 10 years and then had 2 daughters and 2 sons.
A friends grandmother remembering her childhood family. Sisters after marriage would call all their Sisters children, "Their children." Not Nieces and Nephews. The children called their Aunties children, "Brothers and Sisters," Not Cousins. This was not the case with Brothers children, they were called, Cousins. The reason Sisters did this was in case a Sister died, that sisters children would be brought up by her sisters. The brothers would have Sister in laws to take care of their lost wives, sisters children. A sensible arrangement among the women who loved their sister and her children. Cousin, a word to denote child of an Uncle. This might explain the Brothers of Jesus, and the Cousin of Jesus, John the Baptist. Just a memory from long ago.
Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.” Matthew 28: 10 The resurrected Jesus telling Mary Magdalene and another Mary to go and tell my "brothers" - Jesus called all the 11 apostles my brothers. So can you presume Jesus had 11 brothers ? Jesus had no biological brothers but he had many brothers and sisters. I saw Protestants calling their Church members as brothers and sisters. According to their analogy they are biological brothers born to the same parents.
But Jesus probably meant his actual brothers, who were with & among the apostles. He didn't say 'my 12 brothers' meaning just the apostles. All this special pleading to deny Jesus siblings is a bit overblown, because it's nonsense. Get over it. Jesus had several brothers & some sisters, some of whom were followers with his disciples. These included James, who is recorded as a/the leader of the group when he was killed by a rebel mob.
MARY is the Ark of the New Covenant! Her womb is holy, as it held the Son of the most high God, FAR more holy than the original Ark! THUS, just as when someone dared to touch or even by accident, touched the Ark made of gold and wood, they DIED! Even Moreso if someone dared to approach the womb of Mary, where the son of the most high God dwell in the flesh!
Wait. The ark of the covenant held the Holy Spirit spirit. If you read the Old testament or the tanakh, you will see how a physical ark was built to house God so that he can dwell with them and he dwelled with them as Spirit. Which means the Holy Spirit dwelled amongst the people. When Jesus Christ went to heaven, he said that he would send the spirit down to us. So that though the word, and the law, will now live in. The holy spirit is not inside of Mary right now. The entity that existed within the ark and follow the people of Israel. It's not within Mary. In fact, while Jesus was walking along the streets and speaking to the people, it often stayed at that. The Holy Spirit was with him. When he was baptized. The Holy Spirit came down and settled and abided on him and remained in him. And then when he died, the spirit he gave to us. Read Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians. Which obviously means the spirit went from the ark, to Jesus Christ, to us. To all of humanity. I am absolutely sure that when Jesus ascended to his father in heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to all those who believe in him, Mary while she was alive. Alive most certainly received the Holy Spirit as well. But she is not the ark of the covenant. She does not encase the Holy Spirit alone. The third person of God does not only reside in Mary. The third person of the Trinity, the one God, lives in every Christian. That's why we grieve that Holy Spirit. Every time we do something that we should not do. He lives in us and we are considered literally the body of Christ. I could go on and on. Prove me wrong and show me the line in scripture where it says Mary is now the ark of the covenant and anyone who touches her will die
@@joevargas6694 What 3 things did Ark of the Old Covenant contain? Hebrews 9:4 - 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein [was] the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
@@joevargas6694 Im so glad you asked! Mary was a stumbling block for me in my protestant mindset too. I was totally missing the typology in scripture concerning Mary. Basics: The original Ark contained the following: The word of God to His people written on tablets, The Manna (miracle bread from heaven), and the staff of Aaron) Compare to what was In Mary's womb: The Word of God made flesh, The Living Bread which came down from heaven (John 6), and the the one who would rule with a staff of iron (Psalm 2:9 and in Isaiah) predicts that Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. The word "rod" refers to a shepherd's staff. Jesus will be not only King over all the nations but also their Shepherd. Other typologies: When the ark was completed, the glory cloud of the Lord (the Shekinah Glory) covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle (Ex 40:34-35; Nm 9:18, 22). The verb for “to cover” or “to overshadow” and the metaphor of a cloud are used in the Bible to represent the presence and glory of God. God was very specific about every exact detail of the ark (Ex 25-30). It was a place where God himself would dwell (Ex 25:8). God wanted his words-inscribed on stone-housed in a perfect container covered with pure gold within and without. How much more would he want his Word-Jesus-to have a perfect dwelling place! If the only begotten Son were to take up residence in the womb of a human girl. Luke 1:35 :"The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will OVERSHADOW you (Glory cloud). So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. David went out to retrieve the ark (1 Sm 6:1-2). After a man named Uzzah was struck dead when he touched the ark, David was afraid and said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” He left the ark in the hill country of Judea for three months. We are also told that David danced and leapt in front of the ark and everyone shouted for joy. The house of Obed-edom, which had housed the ark, was blessed, and then David took the ark to Jerusalem (2 Sm 6:9-14). Compare with account in Luke "And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And "why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, "the babe in my womb leaped for joy". And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” (Lk 1:39-45) The ark then returns to its home and ends up in Jerusalem, where God’s presence and glory is revealed in the temple (2 Sm 6:12; 1 Kgs 8:9-11). Mary also returns home and eventually ends up in Jerusalem, where she presents God incarnate in the temple (Lk 1:56; 2:21-22).
@@joevargas6694 Im so glad you asked! Mary was a stumbling block for me in my protestant mind too. I was totally missing the typology in scripture concerning Mary. What was held in the original Ark? Written Word of God to His people, The Miraculous Manna (bread) which came down from heaven, and the Rod of Aaron. Compare now what was in the womb of Mary: The living Word of God made flesh, the Miraculous Bread which came down from heaven John 6, and the the new shepherd to rule with an Iron rod. Psalm 2:9 predicts that Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. The word "rod" refers to a shepherd's staff. When the ark was completed, the glory cloud of the Lord (the Shekinah Glory) covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle (Ex 40:34-35; Nm 9:18, 22). The verb for “to cover” or “to overshadow” and the metaphor of a cloud are used in the Bible to represent the presence and glory of God. Luke 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Compare King Davids response to the Ark coming to Him "David saw the ark he rejoiced and said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" to the gospel of Luke “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And "why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” (Lk 1:39-45) Then in Rev chapters 11-12 we see again the Ark of the Covenant and then "The Woman" in Rev 12. As an important side note, Rev 12 also contains the same persons present in Gen 3:15
Facinating. Mary asked Gabriel, " How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"... She was a virgin. Then, notice Joseph at Matt1:25, "knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Mary KNEW no man UNTIL AFTER Jesus was born... then she KNEW her husband. Please, it doesn't need to be so difficult. Why would God expect a man not to know his wife? Next they will be forbidding members to marry... oh, wait..
Mary's womb literally contained the fullness of the Godhead corporeally. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally.” (Col 2:9, DRC) She was literally the New Ark. What happened to the last person seen in the Bible touching the Ark? “And the indignation of the Lord was enkindled against Oza, and he struck him for his rashness: and he died there before the ark of God.” (2 Sa 6:7, DRC)
@@StanleyPinchak If we go by that Logic that Mary could not be touched because she represented an ark, then Jesus can't be considered the 2nd Adam if Mary is considered the 2nd Eve, because in reality EVE NEVER GAVE BIRTH TO ADAM And even with the untouchable ARK, don't forget there were chosen to carry the ark- they were the rightful men to touch or carry the ark. Same way God gave Joseph the right to touch Eve the Ark when He told Joseph not to put away(divorce) Mary. It would only be an abomination if Jesus had sex with her while she was still pregnant with Jesus. So after the birth of Jesus, Joseph had his way for sex as a husband and nothing would happen to him.
The utter blasphemy to think Joseph would defile holy grounds and sleep with Mary after knowing that Mary just gave birth to God incarnate , Protestants don’t think before they talk🤦🏾♂️
God is not bothered by these petty ideas about 'virginity'. It is mankind that is so obsessed by such nonsense. The world has been procreating through natural processes for millions of years, by the 'will of God', so why would the rules be changed for the conception of one more child, even Jesus. This just makes your religion a ridiculous nonsense.
That's a lot of judgment and accusation and condemnation in that sentence. Jesus Christ is the son of God and is God blasphemy only exists when you speak against Him including the three persons of our God. Wondering if Mary slept with her husband after the experience of Jesus is not blasphemy. Mary is not a god. She is the one chosen through which God would enter the physical world and he said that he would save all of humanity, for there is not one who is perfect and without sin, he says in the native language and equivalence to no, not one which emphasizes that not a single human in the world is perfect. So therefore Jesus Christ has saved everyone including his earthly mom. Remember. Jesus was the word before the Earth was created, therefore coming through into the natural world through Mary did not cause the person of Jesus to exist. Exist. Only become revealed to us. So let's relax a little bit with the words of blasphemy and defiling Holy grounds. What are we doing. As a person who is curious about this, I am trying to discover what in the Bible if anywhere, states that Mary was infallible, and never laid with her husband. Husband. If it is not explicitly stated then it can only be assumed, and it can be assumed. Either way. I know that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born because it was explicitly said that she was not touched. But I have yet to hear anyone show me explicitly where it says that Mary had no more children until her death. In fact, it does not discuss Mary quite as often as people pay attention to her. We Revere and find Mary amazing and wonderfully trusting of God. That is how we should be. Just as Abraham was when he was ready to plunge a dagger into his child for God. But several times while Jesus was speaking to the people and they diverted from what he was saying to talk about how amazing his mom was to have carried him, he corrected them and said in sum... on the contrary blessed is he who receives Me. Can anyone just simply give me that simple scripture that states that Mary was infallible, or the simple scripture that states Mary never had children outside of Jesus. If I see this I will accept it.
@@joevargas6694 Our Lord saved Mary from her conception and was with her (Luke1:28) JUST as He did Jeramiah(Jeremiah 1:5) and John(Luke 1:15) - she was born anointed with God's will and purpose since times ancient (genesis 3:15 & Ezek. 44:2 ) Plus, at Luke 1:47 Mary tells us God has already saved her (Jesus wasn't even born yet...)! :) Jesus addressed Mary multiple times (shown at beginning & end of his public ministry) as WOMAN - the name that Eve had **BEFORE** she sinned. (Gen2:23, jn 2:4, 19:26) IF Mary had other sons, Jesus would have violated rather than fulfilled Jewish Law by giving Mary to a non-family member. (John 19:26-27) Simeon tells us 'a sword shall pierce [Mary's] heart also, that the thoughts of many hearts be made known'. (Luke 2:35) John sees Mary already in heaven - (Rev 11:19 thru Rev 12:5) John tells us ALL who keep God's word are Mary's offspring (Rev 12:17) All Generations shall call her Blessed among women (Luke 1:48) That's a LOT of scripture you done wrote off brother!
I have never heard anything more ridiculous!! Apart from the fact that Sam keeps repeating the word “assume, assume”.. and “the majority”.. Why do you need to assume? When it’s written there? Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.” I don’t see jt saying …the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters with us? Which we mean infact are his cousins because when we say brothers and sisters we mean cousins or brothers and sisters from a previous marriage that Joseph had… Seriously sam!! This is one of the worst “assuming” claims there. What about Matthew 1:24-25 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.” To ‘know’ a wife or husband in the biblical definition is to lay with them in the marriage bed.. so how do Catholics still make claim that Mary stayed a virgin? And notice how it says “not till she brought forth her firstborn son”.. that automatically tells you that other children proceeded Jesus, at the very least one other sibling. Or it would say her only Son. While I respect Sam greatly for his biblical knowledge and how he addresses this, especially to Muslims, this video is bewildering
So you should do apologetics if you think that you got it right and Sam not?I think Sam is doing a great job in apologetics and all the early christans are on the same page whit chatolic wiew ,witch is early church wiew.even Marthin Luther and Jean Calvin NEVER doubt holy Mother of God,Mary s perpetual virginity it is in 18.ct invention
I came to the same conclusion from reading the text. If Joseph knew his wife after Jesus was born then Mary was no longer a virgin according to Matthew's account in the scriptures.
I must agree as well. I love Sam dearly as a brother in Christ, and He is doing wonderful things for the Kingdom of Christ, BUT, every man is fallible and there some things in Scripture, if we are all honest, that we unknowingly have wrong in our doctrine. But thanks be to God that we have the Holy Spirit that will continue to lead us, teach us, and correct us. Praise Yeshua Hamashiach our Great God and Savior forever!!!!
she did not had others children it not even the same Mary or from Josheph ...Mary was present with those family members, but they are not her kids .Later it say who their mom and father is in the bible in different verses it not the same Mary .Mary the wife of Cleophas
Joseph was old and widowed when he married Mary. It was an arranged marriage by the priest from her temple so that she could be protected because her parents had passed away and she had to leave the temple. His children were probably around her age… do you really think that he would find it ok to sleep with her?
People must be free to think these were real brothers of Jesus, or not, because nobody actually knows for sure. It is only pious convention that holds that Mary had no other children. Yet the Bible calls them his brother's, not cousins. Later people could not deny a truth to create a false 'truth' of their own. This is all false special pleading to support an untenable position.
Wow. You must think that God is overreacting when he unalive unworthy people entering the Holy of Holies. Jesus must not be God to you. I know why you hate it when we honor Mary. Because there was once an angel of high rank who also showed extreme jealousy towards God favoring humans. That angel fell and became the devil. He is your father. You want a communist God who love people equally. You are of the devil.
One literally contained the fulness of the Godhead corporeally for nine months. Are you serious? No just another heretical prot who wants to besmirch the mother of his Lord.
@@StanleyPinchakyeah so? She did her job as a vessel of God, birthed Jesus and then went on to live a normal life having more children with her husband. Why is it important to you that Mary is a perpetual virgin? How does it change anything if she is not a perpetual virgin?
The point of Mary being married to Joseph is to fulfill the prophecy that was spoken through the prophets about Jesus being the son of David And descending from the lineage of David It’s very clear, God uses all sorts of people for his will.
Our Holy triune God in the Bible does not dumb down to us. He gave us the brain and free will to think for ourselves. If the Virgin Mary had other children we would see them beside her at the foot of the crucified Lord wouldn't we? No she is the Blessed Mary ever Virgin! The perfectly obedient, humble and pure new Eve.
No, we would not expect that his siblings would be at the cross, because His "brothers" were offended by Jesus' ministry until after Jesus' resurrection and His "sisters were nowhere mentioned by name. Don't you Catholics study your Bible? We also know from the Gospel of Matthew that Joseph had sex with Mary after Jesus was born (Mat 1:25). The perpetual virginity of Mary is neither culturally, scripturally, nor biologically sound. As you said, God gave us a brain to think. Now use it!
@nigeltremain1900 And what verse talks about this "family feud"? Show us or suffer God's wrath for your malicious heresy. Make no mistake we will all be held to account for every word we say and every deed we've done.
@@sonusancti There was no family feud as you put it. According to the Apostle John, “not even his brothers believed in him” (John 7:5). Those who had lived with Jesus for 30 years really did not know him. Not one of Jesus’ brothers is mentioned as a disciple during his pre-crucifixion ministry. But after his resurrection and ascension, there they are in the upper room worshipping him as God (Acts 1:14). Again, you show your ignorance of the scriptures. Matt 13:53 tells us the people of His hometown were offended over Jesus.
@@sonusancti What sleazy gossip? Mary was married to Joseph and Matthew tells us that Mary was known (had sex) with his wife after Jesus was born. It is righteous and holy for a husband and wife to have sex. How dare you make such an accusation! There is nothing sleazy about it.
SONS OF MARY AND JOSEPH. ALSO BROTHER OR BROTHERS OF JESUS BECAUSE OF THIS PASSAGE.... Matthew 1:25 says, "And he knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus". SO AFTER JESUS WAS BORN THEN JOSEPH KNEW MARY . THIS PASSAGE CANNOT BE DENIED . THIS INTIMACY WITH MARY CANNOT BE DENIED.
Brothers is the term used to discribe male relatives by the Jews 2000 years ago. There is scriptural evidence that Mathew was refering to the sons on Mary's sisterinlaw ( also called Mary) and their names are James,Joseph, Simon and Jude. The Blessed Virgin Mary was a Essenes, where the practice of sexual purity is a common. Read 'Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary' by Brant Pitre also 'Mary of Nazareth' and 'Jesus of Nazareth' by Michael Hesemann. There is no scriptural evidence that he had any natural Brothers. N.B. we're all Brothers in Christ.
@MJRoche BROTHERS IN CHRIST IS RELATIVELY NEW TERM IN CHURCHES ,AM SURE THEY DON'T MEAN BROTHERS IN CHRIST BACK THEN SINCE THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT HIS SISTER'S. STILL THIS PASSAGE IS NOT ANSWERED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IS VERY HARD TO SAY OTHERWISE. ESPECIALLY WHEN AFTER JESUS GOT HIS NAME ,THEN JOSEPH KNEW MARY. THIS CAN'T BE CLEARER. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE OTHER TEXTS OR THE TEXT CLEAR AS DAY IN THE BIBLE. JOSEPH KNEW MARY AFTER JESUS WAS BORN. WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT THAT. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CANNOT CONTINUE TO DENIE THIS SCRIPTURE. WE BELIEVE THAT JOSEPH KNOWING HER INTIMATE,THERE HAS TO BE MORE CHILDREN BEING BORN FROM THIS MARRIAGE. THERE IS NOWHERE WHERE IT MENTIONS THAT BOTH MARY AND JOSEPH COULDN'T PHYSICALLY HAVE KIDS. IF YOU FIND IT OR A PRIEST FINDS THAT PASSAGE THEN THIS MATTHEW 1:25 CAN BE REFUTED EASILY. IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THEN LEAVE IT ALONE AND ACCEPT THE PASSAGE. SO CLEAR IT IS....
My readings indicate that James (the Less) and his brother Joseph were the sons of Alphaeus and the other Mary; she was widowed and then married Joseph’s brother Cleopas and had sons named Simon and Jude. See Eusebius’s writings.
Jesus cares greatly about widows, and with James, Simon and Jude involved in the ministry; this left His cousin Joseph available to care for the other Mary.
Unbelievable. The lengths you will go to in order to insert into scripture a catholic doctrine. What about Jesus’ sisters? “They got a daddy named Forrest too?” It’s ridiculous!!! What purpose does being a virgin “after” Jesus’ birth. It is obvious that before Christ’s birth the scriptures tell us what her virginity meant. But after?! Why, to justify catholics church tradition of elevating her to a deity status? Even to being the pathway to Christ?! You use Catholic church tradition to prove catholic church doctrine. Then you say to those who disagree with you that they don’t know their bible, they are confused or don’t understand? It’s insulting!!! Wake up! Get away from the organized religion that allowed pedophiles to rape and sexually assault our boys and girls ( yes the nasty nuns were just as bad), push false doctrine and lie! Run!!!
Also, the eldest son is responsible to care for a widowed mother. If he is no longer alive it falls to the second oldest. If Jesus’s cousins were really His brothers then one of them would have been required to care for the Virgin Mary and not John. Not having any biological brothers, the disciple He loved most was appointed.
It has been argued that Alphaeus and Clopas are like Cephas/Peter, just being translated names. I think the cousin argument is the strongest, solely because of James being very clearly Jesus’s cousin just in scripture, Joseph being called a brother of James, and Simon being from the same father as James according to church history
I was circumcised on the 8th day , Just wondering why Jesus broke His Commandments and His Jewish Traditions and customs, at the Passover dinner (Last Supper) it is customary To celebrate Passover with Family, so where was Mary , seems Jesus would have definitely had His Mother at the last Supper, so where do you think she had the Passover Dinner?
Sam I don’t know if you know Father Luis Toro, but with his help I was able to find in the Gospels the parents of all those attributed to be brothers of Jesus except Judas the Zealot. However he was not from galilea or Nazareth, he was a Canaanite.
In the original the Word used for cousins and brothers are no the same... Stop giving things to Mary that she did not... God is not unfair to remove Josephs wife out of him.. Jesús himself did not give Mary the importance that the popular church wants to give her
@@geoffjs Where to find sources for your Mary - Ark(a) comparision, Theotokos and untouchable doctrine(b)? (a) Matthew 34 38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ARK, Luke 17 27They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ARK, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Hebrew 11 7By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ARK for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. 1Peter 3 20becausee they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ARK was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. (b) Matthew 1 18a This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, ... Luke 1 31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. ... 34How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin [andra ou ginóskó = A MAN NOT I KNOW]?” 35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Matthew 1 18b ... she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. ... 20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ... 24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and embraced Mary as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until [ouk eginōsken autēn heōs = NOT KNEW HER UNTIL] she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
"Other children of Mary" proves that Christ is NOT the Messiah. PROTESTANTS! Jesus had to fulfill all prophecy, correct? First and foremost, Jesus had to fulfill all messianic prophecy. There are three prophecies indicating that He would be an "only son" Jeremiah 6:26 Gird thee with sackcloth, O daughter of my people, and sprinkle thee with ashes: make thee mourning as for an ONLY SON, a bitter lamentation, because the destroyer shall suddenly come upon us. Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation: and I will bring up sackcloth upon every back of yours, and baldness upon every head: and I will make it as the mourning of an ONLY SON, and the latter end thereof as a bitter day. Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour out upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace, and of prayers: and they shall look upon me, whom they have pierced: and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for an ONLY SON, and they shall grieve over him, as the manner is to grieve for the death of the FIRSTBORN. "ONLY SON" and "FIRSTBORN." Three prophets are three strikes against the "other children" argument. If Mary had other children, Jesus is NOT the Messiah. Is this what we want to prove? The scriptures nowhere mention or name any "children of Mary' except Jesus. In Luke 1, Gabriel, sent from God, tells Mary that she will bear “a son” - singular. Gabriel told Zechariah the same about his wife Elizabeth having "a son." (Luke 1:13) Why does no one argue that John the Baptist had "brothers" and sisters"? At the ascension (Acts 1:10-11) the Angels addressed the Apostles as "Men of Galilee" - thus they were brothers. At the Pentecost (Acts 2:7) the Jews gathered in Jerusalem exclaimed "Aren't these men all Galileans?" Thus all were brothers. In 1 Corinthians 15:6, Jesus appeared to "more than five hundred brothers" - what are we to make of this? In the Book of Tobit, chapters 7 and 8, we see that in ancient Israel, a man married his “sister” - who was an eligible woman from his same tribe of the twelve tribes. Those from Dan married Danite women. Those from the tribe of Benjamin married women (“sisters”) from the tribe of Benjamin. Protestants are absolutely desperate to prove the Catholic Church wrong, thus justifying themselves. It seems they will ignore both prophecy and scripture in their quest against the Church. As in numerous places on earth to this day, Africa and Asia mainly, anyone from your town, province, or nation if expatriates, is a brother or sister. They use 21st century language and culture to judge ancient Israel.
Your proof verse says 'mourn as one mourns for an only son, and not mourn for the only son. Whereas it does say grieve for the firstborn, and not as if a firstborn. This implies that only son is a comparison as related to the depth of mourning, and is not a claim that there is only one son. Which you are trying to make it imply.
OMG!!!!!!! STOP IT. Stop adding excuses and adding that these are Jesus cousins. Stop the gymnastics. Mary had other children. It’s God’s commandment for man and women to get married and have children. Sex is not a sin if you are married. You are absolutely ridiculous! JUST STOP! OMG! May the Holy Spirit correct you. Please do NOT accept Sam’s arguments. The scriptures are clear! In plain sight!
You are adding to the text that Mary had other children. Christians read the original Greek more than 1500 years before anyone invented the doctrine that Mary had other children.
Yes, Mary had other children. Jesus performed the adoption proceedings from atop the cross. “26. When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. 27. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.” (Joh 19:26-27, DRC) We see further reference in John's vision. “And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Rev 12:17, DRC)
Sam proved it with scripture where is your proof that says otherwise ? All this hot air you speak of are all just accusations Sam made no excuses here he proved it with biblical law and modern law.
That would make sense. Joseph would likely have liked in a multi-generational home. This is common in many parts of the world. My Afghan translator on my first tour who was married, lived at home with his parents, his brother who was also married. All of their children were raised together and their bonds were as close as brother and sisters.
OURLADY OF LOURDES OURLADY APPEARED IN LOURDES FRANCE, where she said I AM THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, oh MARY conceived WITHOUT SIN Pray for us, I love you dear mother of God, AVE MARIA I WILL GO TO SAY SHE IS CO-REDEMTRIX AND MEADIATRIX OF ALL GRACES, AVE MARIA
The other view is Joseph had brothers one who had died and he adopted his brothers children and along with Mary they raised James and John from that marriage. This is what I have heard. Have you. There is a tradition of this very thing happening where when one brother passes away the other brother takes care of the wife and children.
That’s not in scripture. It’s making something up to agree with the perpetual virginity claim. You have views but scripture makes evident Jesus had brothers and sisters.
@@noself7889 no scripture does not say that but it also doesn’t say that he had brothers and sisters from where and he did tell them who are my brothers and who is my mother but those who follow me you need to read
Game changer: the idea that Mary didn’t have children does not fit in scripture. If you read it closely. If they were Joseph children would not Joseph have to bring them to the census with Mary. You have to bring as I understand your Family to be counted that way he had to bring Mary even though she was pregnant. Now if they were cousins. They would not be of the household. They would be from all over the place not likely part of his household. Luke 1: uses the word cousin for Elizabeth. So the Bible surely knows the difference. Joesph was to take Mary as his wife not as a treasure, that should not be touched are the angel would say so. He knew her not until the birth of Christ. What you thank that meant? Adam knew Eve thus was born her first son. Why is this important because the early fathers made a mistake. A small one at first, but a little yeast can really start something for it has lead to Mary as essential. For our salvation which is no where in. Scripture. Not even a hint. Paul said I have finished my Course I have kelp the faint, now is lead up for me a righteous crown that the Lord will give to me in that day. 2: TEM. 4:3:- if Paul had finished his ministry then you can bet all was said concerning salvation. the idea that these men could not make a mistake, after the death of Paul, just is not true for Paul was fighting against false doctrine even will he was a live. Paul said in 2 TEM. There will come a time they would not endure sound doctrine.
Does Jesus contain the Godhead corporeally? Did the Godhead reside in the womb of the Theotokos? What do we call the vessel that contains God's presence on Earth? What happens when you touch the Ark with your hands? What does Ezekiel tell us about the East Gate by which the Lord enters? How many others use the same gate? “1. And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and it was shut. 2. And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut” (Eze 44:1-2, DRC) Yes the Bible tells us a lot about the perpetual virginity of the one it calls Full of Grace.
@@fantasia55Ezekiel tells us no man will enter by the gate that the Lord enters by. “1. And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and it was shut. 2. And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut” (Eze 44:1-2, DRC)
Its important for knowledge due to avoid heretic. Heretic come from misleading intepretation to become false teaching. The fruit of false teaching : bad prejudice, slander, blasphemy, accusation etc.
If you are referring to a virgin birth of Jesus’ siblings, then yep, that did not happen. Mary was a wife and mother like any other to Joseph after the birth of Jesus, and of course she had pleased the Father such that she was elected to carry Jesus.
Ok few problems I see here. First and foremost the New Testament was written in Greek, a language that did have separate terms for brothers and cousins. The authors of the Gospels were inspired by the Holy Spirit, possessing perfect knowledge, and it uses the term brother. That argument by itself is relatively weak I know, but it’s just a piece. Matthew 1:24-25 uses the language of Joseph did not know Mary as his wife(consummating the marriage) Until she bore her firstborn son. Multiple pieces of language indicating that yes Joseph knew Mary as his wife in context of intimacy. Then you have passages making mention of Christ's brothers in every gospel like in Mark 3, Luke 8, Matthew 12, John 7. On top of this all, if these brothers and sisters were the step siblings from a previous marriage, they obviously must be older than Christ and yet in every mention of Christ's childhood, specifically when they needed to flee to Egypt, there is zero indication of there being anyone other than Mary, Joseph, and Christ. Yes, argument from silence, I get that. But all these factors together would seem to indicate that the mentions of siblings are those born of Mary by Joseph probably over some time after they returned from Egypt. That would seem to be the most logical conclusion from the totality of evidence from the scriptures.
@@Anonymous-ec8xk Antinomianism. Translated in the NT as Iniquity - sometimes referred to as Lawlessness. as in Mt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity (ἀνομία anomia - without Torah)
Those "early Christians" you mentioned are all Catholic Bishops in the ONE and Only Holy Catholic Church which Jesus Christ Himself established here on earth for us.
Maybe I missed it, but can anyone explain to me why Catholics just assume Joseph had kids from a previous marriage and not that Joseph and Mary had kids after Jesus? Quite frankly what difference does it make if Jesus had brothers or not after his virgin birth, is it really necessary for salvation to believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin?
The difference in makes is that it diminishes Jesus as being just another child of just another common woman. Her pregnancy was unique, her body was consecrated to God after He entered the world through that body. According to Ezekiel 44:2, once God uses something, men are not allowed to use it in the same way.
I’m sorry but you are playing the games the muslim do when you debate them from their book, you show them from their book how wrong they are! Why can’t the protestant do the same! it seems you purposely ignore that Protestant is a reform movement within the Roman Catholic Church. You yourself said you feel bad that you attacked the Catholic and Orthodox church when you believed otherwise than you felt condemned and start defending them ,but is it really about Catholics,Orthodox, and Protestant. I saw people with faith in all these Churches and people messed up in all these three Churches(from Bishops/ priests / Pastors .. good and bad . Why are you taking a side,reading the Bible I only cared to know more about our Lord. And if you truly seeking to know God you will find misinterpretation somewhere somehow in all churches. If they care only to bring people to Christ they would’ve been united so obviously the enemy has the seed of ego planted in all three churches . Concerning Mary stayed virgin Matthew 1:24-25 24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and DID NOT KNOW HER TILL she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus. (KNOW HER MEANS they consummate their marriage. Check the Greek version). And this doesn’t make the Role of Mother Mary any Less, the Bible doesn’t need us to make extra effort to prove it’s Holiness , and that it is the Good News .. Mother Mary is blessed among all and having children from Joseph doesn’t make her less blessed. And no I’m not defending the protestant , I believe in the Holy communion for example.. speaking in tongues, they take part of the text and say Paul encourages speaking in tongues, wrong interpretation from the Protestant Church 1 Corinthians 14:1-19 yes it says you can ask for the gift of speaking in tongues that no one will understand but God, but in the same text Paul says speak it if you can translate it to the Church ,”never met a pastor who was able to translate “ than he says what’s the use of speaking in tongues if no one understand . Therefore my dear Sam, God’s word is above all! God bless you and bless all Christians no matter what church you belong to as long you believe in the Father the Son and the Holy spirit and you seek to follow the word of God and live as a goodChristian that pleases the Lord ,amen
I’m the stupidest dud from the entire world, and I still consider Sam Shamoun as one of the big dogs on apologetics. But ending this with legal adoptions on all Mary’s sons I thinks us violating f the entire idea the text gives .
First is to decode how many Marys are there in Gospel of Mark One is Mary - mother of Jesus One is Mary Magdalene One is Mary - mother of James and Joseph All 3 Marys are at the foot of the cross Now lets start Mark 6:3 Brothers - James,Joses,(Mathew calls Joseph)Judas,Simon Lets go to the foot of the cross Mark 15 :40 Mary Magdalene MARY- mother of James the less and Joses Salome Mark 15 :47 Mary Magdalene MARY - mother of Joses Mark 16:1 Mary Magdalene MARY - mother of James Salome Lets go to Mathew Mathew 27 :56 Mary Magdalene MARY - mother of James and Joseph Mother of Zebedees sons Mathew 28 :1 Mary Magdalene Other Mary Lets go to John John 19 :25 Mary -Mother of Jesus MARY -His mothers sister- wife of cleopas Mary Magdalene Lets go to Luke Luke 23 :55 Women from Galilee. Please understand now who is who .. All Glory to God and Praise be Jesus Blessed are the most chaste and profound parents of Lord Jesus . Blessed is Mary ,my mother and mother of all Christ has given her. Blessed is Joseph ,the protector of the catholic church. Blessed is their holy marriage and their holy family.
Why does it even matter if Jesus had half siblings or not? I have always assumed He did, but it is possible He didn't. It makes no difference to my faith. What is the real question? Was Jesus born of a virgin. Yes. This is confirmed in Mathew chapter 1: 22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet: 23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel,[j] which means ‘God is with us.’” 24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. (NLT) Was Mary a virgin all of her life? No. According to Mathew, Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born - confirming that fact that Jesus was born of virgin - which fulfilled prophecies even from Genesis.
why are you adding the word "after" to what the Bible actually says? until and until after are not identical translations of what the Greek actually says which is just until without any indication, positive or negative of what happened afterwards.
Joseph from a previous marriage kids. Joseph and Mary were cousins. Joseph was a widower. His wife died a year previously before the priest arranged to Mary to be arranged a marriage and Joseph was chosen. He was her cousin too.
The RCC added a "doctrine" about brothers and sisters that are not because their changing, additions and sustraction in their teachings.... First century theology don't have those doctrines,....man made ....
Os so sad to see so much foolishness coming out of a smart persons mouth🤦🏻♂️ then again that’s what the Bible teaches, man wisdom is foolishness to God. Sam is a prime example of it
Matthew 1:24-25 KJV [24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [25] and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Joseph knew her not until Mary brought forth her firstborn son. This destroys Catholic tradition, the word knew her not speaks of intercourse. After Mary brought forth her firstborn son, she had more sons and daughters by Joseph.
The word used in Matthew 1:25 “heos” or ‘until’ in English was used in other parts of scripture let me know if they make sense by the understanding you’re presupposing 2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child ‘until’ (heos) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she DIED?) -the exact same word 1 Timothy 4:13: Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes?) 1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ's reign will end? By no means! Prots put a loooooot of emphasis on the word until there….but I don’t think they’d make the same leap for Michal having a child UNTIL her death lmao
The term “until” (Greek, heōs) commonly indicated a particular state existed to a certain point, as in “John worked at his desk until five o’clock.” The existing state often changes when the point is reached (thus, at five o’clock, John may go home). But change is not always indicated.
In 2 Samuel 6:23, Saul’s daughter Michal scoffed at King David’s enthusiasm for the Lord, and we read that she had no child “until” the day of her death. The word in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament is heōs. The passage does not mean Michal had a child after the day of her death. It means she never had children.
We see the same in the New Testament. In Matthew 13:33, Jesus tells a parable in which he says, “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” The use of “till” (heōs) does not mean that the leaven was later taken out of the flour.
Similarly, in Matthew 14:22, Jesus is at the Sea of Galilee and “he made the disciples get into the boat and go before him to the other side, while [heōs] he dismissed the crowds.” This does not mean that the disciples turned around and returned to shore as soon as Jesus dismissed the crowds. They continued their journey to the other side, which resulted in their meeting Jesus as he was walking on the water (Matt. 14:25).
One of the doctrines of the Catholic Church is that Mary remained a perpetual virgin. Matthew 1:25 states that Joseph knew his wife after Jesus was born. That means in modern English, that Joseph had sex with her after Jesus was born and Mary was no longer a virgin. Are the church fathers saying that Matthew was lying? If Matthew was not lying, it is very likely the "brothers" of Jesus were Jesus' half brothers as the Protestants believe. The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary, neither fits the scripture nor biological facts. So is the Bible correct, or are the church fathers correct who came later than Matthew? Matthew 21: 24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
@@iggyantioch KJ21 and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus. ASV and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name Jesus. AMP but he kept her a virgin until she had given birth to a Son [her firstborn child]; and he named Him Jesus (The Lord is salvation). AMPC But he had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus. BRG And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. CSB but did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he named him Jesus. CEB But he didn’t have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. Joseph called him Jesus. CJB but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua. CEV But they did not sleep together before her baby was born. Then Joseph named him Jesus. DARBY and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. DLNT And he was not knowing her until which time she gave-birth to a Son. And he called His name Jesus. DRA And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. ERV But Joseph did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And he named him Jesus. EASY Joseph did not have sex with Mary until after the baby boy was born. He said that the boy's name should be Jesus. EHV but he was not intimate with her until she gave birth to her firstborn son. And he named him Jesus. ESV but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. ESVUK but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. EXB but he did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And ·Joseph [L he] named him Jesus. GNV But he knew her not, till she had brought forth her first born son, and he called his name JESUS. GW He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Jesus. GNT But he had no sexual relations with her before she gave birth to her son. And Joseph named him Jesus. HCSB but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus. ICB But he did not have intimate relations with her until she gave birth to the son. And Joseph named the son Jesus. ISV He did not have marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he named him Jesus. PHILLIPS When Joseph woke up he did what the angel had told him. He married Mary, but had no intercourse with her until she had given birth to a son. Then he gave him the name Jesus. JUB and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son, and he called his name Jesus. KJV And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. AKJV and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. LSB but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. LEB and did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. TLB but she remained a virgin until her Son was born; and Joseph named him “Jesus.” MSG Then Joseph woke up. He did exactly what God’s angel commanded in the dream: He married Mary. But he did not consummate the marriage until she had the baby. He named the baby Jesus. MEV and did not know her until she had given birth to her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS. MOUNCE but he had no marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he called · him Jesus. NOG He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Yeshua. NABRE He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus. NASB but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus. NASB1995 but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. NCB but he engaged in no marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus. NCV but he did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to the son. And Joseph named him Jesus. NET but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus. NIRV But he did not sleep with her until she gave birth to a son. And Joseph gave him the name Jesus. NIV But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. NIVUK But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. NKJV and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus. NLV But he did not have her, as a husband has a wife, until she gave birth to a Son. Joseph gave Him the name Jesus. NLT But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. NMB and knew her not till she had brought forth her first son, and called his name Jesus. NRSVA but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus. NRSVACE but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus. NRSVCE but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus. NRSVUE but had no marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Jesus. NTFE but he didn’t have sexual relations with her until after the birth of her son. And he gave him the name Jesus. OJB And Yosef [ben Dovid] did not know her until she bore BEN and Yosef [Ben Dovid] called him by name of Yehoshua [Ben Dovid][See Baba Bathra 8:6]. RGT But he did not know her until she had brought forth her first-born Son, and he called His name, Jesus. RSV but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus. RSVCE but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus. TLV But he did not know her intimately until she had given birth to a Son. And he called His name Yeshua. VOICE (though he did not consummate their marriage until after her son was born). And when the baby was born, Joseph named Him Jesus, Savior. WEB and didn’t know her sexually until she had given birth to her firstborn son. He named him Jesus. WE But he did not make love with her until her first son had been born. He named him Jesus. WYC and he knew her not, till she had born her first begotten son, and he called his name Jesus. YLT and did not know her till she brought forth her son -- the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.
@@iggyantioch Just about every translation translates it that Joseph did not know his wife (have sex with) until after Jesus was born. 5th century reinterpreting of the scriptures does not bebunk anything. The Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of Matthew 1:25 all state that Joseph knew his wife after Jesus was born.
@@nigeltremain1900It's your take on the word until that deceives you. Early Christians did not speak English. Early Christians said Mary had no other children.
yes it is holy. But according to Ezekiel 44:2, once God makes use of something, or someone, that something or someone cannot be used in the same way by men. It has become the Holiest. Consecrated to God only. Not to priests, kings, nor husband or other children in her particular case. Moses would not have dared to chop the bush where God spoke to him to use its wood for heating and cooking, or to make tools or furniture which are not forbidden uses of common wood. But that wood's bush, and even the soil around it, became Holy, consecrated to God once God used it. Do you think Christians would have dared to bury someone else in the same tomb where Jesus' body remained until His Resurrection? Do you think the Apostles would have sold or raffled among them the few material objects that belong to Jesus such as clothing and sandals? Do you think Joseph and Mary would have dared to risk conceiving a child in the same womb where Jesus, the Son of God, lived for nine months?
Please, read the Scriptures- And she brought forth her firstborn What is it FIRSTBORN (it means must be second and ….) Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. Matthew 13:55-56 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
@Roman-ny5ev - "What is it FIRSTBORN (it means must be second and ….)" - no , the status as 'firstborn' has an importing meaning having to do with inheritance. It makes NO assumption as to whether any subsequent children are conceived/born - you are completely interjecting that yourself.
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his ONLY SON, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)
I hope you don’t believe that he’s not aware of those texts. Firstborn in the Bible doesn’t equal only born as some of the comments here have pointed out
In the old testament, they called members of the same family lineage of the 12 tribes of Israel brothers and sisters. From my understanding, outside of 5th cousins or something like that, God actually felt it to be righteous to marry your "brothers" and "sisters" from within the tribe you came from.....jus saying
Adelphos doesn't mean what your pastor told you it means. The Septuagint calls Lot and Abraham adelphos. It also calls Laban and Jacob adelphos. Neither pairing were even of the same generation 😂
Just because many people believe a thing doesn't make it true. The Earth is not flat, the Moon is not made of cheese. There is no tooth fairy or Santa Claus, & the Catholic Church is not infallible.
All these opinions are just opinions outside of scripture, its amazing all the teachings of the catholic church on Mary being sinless, ever virgin, are opinions outside of scripture, or tradition of the church which they hold on same or even higher level than scripture, scripture teaches were all sinners, but catholic church teaches Mary was sinless which is a corrupt teaching, they teach that Mary was ever virgin when scripture clearly states that Mary had other children, that jesus had brothers and sisters, there is clear distinctions in scripture between brothers and relatives, and cousins, its says brothers for one reason because they were jesus brothers, if they were cousins or close relatives scripture would have recorded it , these people are obsessed with the dogmas of Mary, Mary was blessed without question, but that's it , she was chosen by God to bear His son, but thats all, the gospel is all about christ jesus and the redemption of sinners, All the glory goes to the Godhead in the plan of salvation, christ is our mediator our advocate, He alone died for us , the catholic church takes the glory away from the Godhead with false and corrupt teachings on Mary and so called saints, its blasphemy, they deceive themselves and deceive there followers, only God can hear prayers, God's attributes are His alone, God shares His glory with no one, stick to the devine word of the Almighty God,
Hey the scripture doesn’t say God is a trinity directly, how can we be sure he’s Triune?? Who has the authority to define that belief?? Muslims and Mormons make this argument all the time that it’s not scriptural…..do you agree? The Bible doesn’t tell us to pray directly to Jesus!! Surely you don’t object to praying to Jesus?! Christ didn’t leave us with a book, he left us with a church with the authority to compile canon, settle disputes, and define doctrine. If you’ve got a problem with it you stand in opposition to almost 2000 years of Church teaching
Yes it doesn't say the word trinity, but scripture reveals three different persons, Father, Son. Holy Spirit, as for praying, scripture never says to pray to Mary or saints, but I can tell you that we direct our prayers to the one true God , last time I remember jesus is God in human flesh, scripture is our authority, not catholic church,
@@garyholian3552 if scripture is your authority where did scripture come from? Who decided what would be scripture? It didn’t float down from a cloud in English with a bow on it did it? Who put it together? What authority did they have to declare scripture to be scripture, which you claim is your sole authority
Jesus keeps sending the Most Holy Blessed Mother and Most Chaste and Pure Saint Joseph back to earth to tell us over and over again that they are perpetual virgins. King of Glory Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ, please have mercy on us. Most Holy Blessed Mother Mary, and Most Chaste and Pure Saint Joseph, please pray for us. 🙏 Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mary, I bless thy holy Name. I praise thine exalted privilege of being truly Mother of God, ever Virgin, conceived without stain of sin, Co-Redemptrix of the human race. Amen.
It has been my understanding the question was a matter of Christ assigning John to be her caretaker at the foot of the cross. It was Joseph's family that took them to Bethlehem and it was estimated they were there for some time before being forced to flee to Egypt...I presumed his family there would have formed tribal closeness but not enough to assume Mary's care when Joseph was gone. Even a step child could have been required, I would think. My understanding is that there was no word for cousin commonly used in Aramaic.
You’d be correct that there isn’t a differentiating word for cousins and siblings in Aramaic. However the New Testament is written in Greek, a language that does have a different word for the two. And under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit the word used was Brother. This alone isn’t conclusive, but along with many other factors of the mentions of Christ's brothers. I think the conclusive evidence is that they were children born of Mary. The perpetual virginity view honestly holds no weight from the most plain reading of scripture. It feels far more like eisegesis from the influence of Satan.
Eusebius, in his Church History (~325 AD), said that James and Symeon were sons of Clopas, Joseph's brother, and were Jesus' cousins.
correct!
Eusebius was a liar.
Joseph had children from a previous marriage in a book I read. Mary married into an existing family. So James the Just was a brother by marriage to Jesus.
James the Lesser and James the Just are two different people.
@@Nate-n5zyou are a fool, this is written by Papias first century church father
No Jewish man when dying would give their mother to someone else if he had a brother. This is why Jesus gave his mother to John. I. E. There was no younger brother of Jesus to take her in.
he would if they said he was crazy. at least that's what the bible says. it also says that his family are those that hear the word of god and do it. try reading it sometime.
@@Nate-n5z Prots will say anything to besmirch the mother of my Lord.
You forget that Jesus' brothers had rejected Jesus and His ministry until after His resurrection. They were not there at the cross. Just Mary was there and Jesus' cultural responsibility was to make sure His mother was taken care of because it seems that Mary's husband (Joseph) was no longer present. We don't know anything about Joseph after Jesus was 12 years old.
@ my argument still applies if Joseph was alive snd some of his so called brothers were his deciles
@@Nate-n5z trying to understand your reply, I think we all know who is crazy here.
What’s does it mean in Matthew 1:25 when it says that Joseph did not know Mary until after she had gave birth to Jesus? Because doesn’t it use the word “know” in the same way Adam “knew” eve? Genuine question and forgive me if I’ve understood it wrong.
It means, in the original Greek, not before but not necessarily yes after.
None of those translations say Joseph later had relations with Mary. You're adding that to the text. Early Christians understood the original language and culture - and they believed Mary remained a virgin.
@@fantasia55
So Matthew was not an early Christian?
New International Version
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
New Living Translation
But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.
English Standard Version
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
Berean Standard Bible
But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
Berean Literal Bible
But he did not know her until she had brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus.
King James Bible
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
New King James Version
and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.
New American Standard Bible
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus.
NASB 1995
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.
NASB 1977
and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.
Legacy Standard Bible
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.
Amplified Bible
but he kept her a virgin until she had given birth to a Son [her firstborn child]; and he named Him Jesus (The LORD is salvation).
Christian Standard Bible
but did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he named him Jesus.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus.
American Standard Version
and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS.
Contemporary English Version
But they did not sleep together before her baby was born. Then Joseph named him Jesus.
English Revised Version
and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Jesus.
Good News Translation
But he had no sexual relations with her before she gave birth to her son. And Joseph named him Jesus.
International Standard Version
He did not have marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he named him Jesus.
Majority Standard Bible
But he had no union with her until she gave birth to her firstborn Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
NET Bible
but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus.
New Heart English Bible
and had no marital relations with her until she had brought forth a son; and he named him Jesus.
Webster's Bible Translation
And knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son: and he called his name JESUS.
Weymouth New Testament
but did not live with her until she had given birth to a son. The child's name he called JESUS.
World English Bible
and didn’t know her sexually until she had given birth to her firstborn son. He named him Jesus.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
and did not know her until she brought forth her Son-the firstborn, and he called His Name Jesus.
Berean Literal Bible
But he did not know her until she had brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus.
Young's Literal Translation
and did not know her till she brought forth her son -- the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.
Smith's Literal Translation
And he took to himself his wife, and knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and be called his name Jesus.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Catholic Public Domain Version
And he knew her not, yet she bore her son, the firstborn. And he called his name JESUS.
New American Bible
He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.
New Revised Standard Version
but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
And he did not know her until she gave birth to her first-born son; and she called his name Jesus.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he did not know her sexually until she delivered her firstborn son, and she called his name Yeshua.
NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
and knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son. And he called his name Jesus.
Godbey New Testament
and he took his wife to himself, and did not know her until she brought forth a son, and called his name Jesus.
Haweis New Testament
and he knew her not, until she had brought forth her son, the first begotten, and he called his name Jesus.
Mace New Testament
but did not cohabit with her as a wife, before she had-brought forth her first-born son; whom he named JESUS.
Weymouth New Testament
but did not live with her until she had given birth to a son. The child's name he called JESUS.
Worrell New Testament
and he knew her not, until she brought forth a Son, and he called His name Jesus.
Worsley New Testament
and he knew her not, till she brought forth her Son the first-born, and he called his name Jesus
@@fantasia55
So you know ancient Greek?
Matthew 1
25but knew [1097] her not until [2193] she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
2193. heós
Strong's Lexicon
heós: until, till, as far as, up to
Original Word: ἕως
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: heós
Pronunciation: heh-os'
Phonetic Spelling: (heh'-oce)
Definition: until, till, as far as, up to
Meaning: (a) conj: until, (b) prep: as far as, up to, as much as, until.
Word Origin: A primary particle of time or place
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H5704 (עַד, 'ad): Often translated as "until" or "as far as," similar in usage to "ἕως" in marking time or spatial limits.
- H5703 (עַד, 'ad): Another Hebrew term for "forever" or "until," used in contexts of time duration.
Usage: The Greek word "ἕως" (heós) is primarily used as a conjunction or preposition to denote a point in time or space. It is often translated as "until" or "till" when referring to time, and "as far as" or "up to" when referring to space. In the New Testament, it frequently marks the end of a period or the extent of an action or event.
Cultural and Historical Background: In the context of the New Testament, "ἕως" is used to express temporal limits or boundaries, which was a common linguistic feature in Koine Greek. Understanding the cultural and historical context of timekeeping and spatial boundaries in the ancient world can provide deeper insight into the use of "ἕως." The concept of time was often linked to significant events, religious observances, and agricultural cycles, which influenced how periods were marked and understood.
1097. ginóskó
Strong's Lexicon
ginóskó: To know, to come to know, to recognize, to perceive
Original Word: γινώσκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ginóskó
Pronunciation: ghin-oce'-ko
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin-oce'-ko)
Definition: To know, to come to know, to recognize, to perceive
Meaning: I am taking in knowledge, come to know, learn; aor: I ascertained, realized.
Word Origin: A primary verb
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H3045 - יָדַע (yada): To know, to perceive, to understand. This Hebrew verb shares a similar range of meanings with "ginóskó," emphasizing relational and experiential knowledge.
Usage: The Greek verb "ginóskó" primarily means "to know" or "to come to know." It implies a knowledge that is gained through experience or personal relationship. In the New Testament, it often denotes an intimate or relational knowledge, as opposed to mere intellectual understanding. This verb is used to describe both human and divine knowledge, including the knowledge of God, self-awareness, and understanding of others.
Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, knowledge was highly valued, often associated with philosophical inquiry and understanding of the divine. The Hebrew concept of knowledge, which influences the New Testament usage, emphasizes relational and experiential knowledge. In the biblical context, "ginóskó" often reflects a deep, personal relationship, such as the knowledge between God and His people or between individuals in a covenant relationship.
HELPS Word-studies
1097 ginṓskō - properly, to know, especially through personal experience (first-hand acquaintance). 1097 /ginṓskō ("experientially know") is used for example in Lk 1:34, "And Mary [a virgin] said to the angel, 'How will this be since I do not know (1097 /ginṓskō = sexual intimacy) a man?"
@@fantasia55 hey, I’m not trying to add to the text brother I’m simply saying what it already says. It said he didn’t know her until after she had gave birth to Jesus so that would naturally imply it was only after then that he had “known” her I.e relations unless of course the word “know” isn’t the same that’s used when Adam “knew” eve
Mt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3
Who are these brothers? (Observations in parentheses)
James (there are two), Joses, Simon (the Zealot or Canaanite) and Judas (Thaddaeus). And John (Apostle), who received Mary under the cross as her son. In total six brothers.
*James (1) and Joses:*
-John 19:25 His mother, and his mother's sister (relative), Mary the wife of Cleophas (Mt.27:56), and Mary Magdalene were standing next to the cross of Jesus.
-Mt.27:56 among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary (of Cleophas, relative of the Virgin Mary-Jn.19:25) *THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSES,* and the mother of the sons of Zebedee. (Mk. 15:40, 47).
*James (2) and John*
-Matthew 20:20 Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to him with her sons.
-Mark 3:17 to James (2) *SON* of Zebedee, and to John (Apostle) brother of James (2)
-Mark 10:35 Then James and John, *SONS OF Zebedee.*
*Simon*
-Mark 3:18 to Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James (1) son of Alphaeus (Cleophas), Thaddeus (Judas), Simon *THE CANAANITE* (neither a Nazarene nor a Galilean like Jesus)
*Judas*
-Jude 1:1 Judas, SERVANT (not brother) of Jesus Christ, and *brother of James* (1, of Cleophas).
More passages to reflect on?
Mt. 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, called the Christ. (If we read from verse 1, we see that when someone fathers more children, he tells us so. As for Joseph, HE DID NOT BEGET ANYONE, he just says that he was a husband and that's it.)
Mt. 2:11 And upon entering the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary (we are clear that there are still no “little brothers”).
13 After they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, Arise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt.
16 Herod then, when he saw himself deceived by the wise men, became very angry, and ordered the killing of all the children under TWO YEARS OLD that were in Bethlehem and in all its surroundings, according to the time that he had inquired of the wise men. (So, like Herod, we INQUIRE that Jesus was at most two years old. If Jesus was already two years old, there could at least already be a “little brother”, but Joseph only took Mary and Jesus to Egypt, he does not mention to someone else.)
19 But after Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in Egypt in a dream, 20 saying, "Get up, take the child and his mother, and go to the land of Israel, because those who sought the death of the child are dead." . (Here it does not say how old Jesus was when he returned, but there is data from when Herod died. It is estimated that Jesus would be between 4 and 5 years old, but still no “little brother(s)” appears in the scripture, something that cannot be not mentioned, because if Matthew mentions those “brothers”, why not before he is telling about this journey?)
Luke 2:41-52. Here, Jesus, is lost at 12 years old. We know that his parents are looking for him and when they find him they return home. It is mentioned in verse 44 that they were looking for him “among relatives and acquaintances,” but the existence of brothers is never mentioned.
Mt. 13:55, Is this not the SON (singular) of the carpenter?
Mc. 6:3 “Is not this the carpenter, SON of Mary?” It does not say “one of the sons.” He is only one.
So yes, they are brothers (not blood brothers) of Jesus, but not children of Mary.
1 Cor. 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once. (Jesus did have more brothers, more than five hundred!! But NOT CHILDREN OF MARY).
So good of you to put this together. Thank you and God bless.
JESUS IS NOT MENTIONED AS A SON TO JOSEPH, ALSO BROTHER'S ARE'NT MENTIONED BECAUSE HE IS THE SON OF GOD NOT MAN, HENCE WHY AT THE CROSS HE TOLD MARY WHO HER SON WAS. IT DOESN'T MEAN MARY STAYED CHILDLESS. THAT WOULD BE MUCH LIKE WHAT WE SAY MUHAMMAD DID TO AISHA. BY NATURE, GOD WOULD NOT WANT MARY TO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN WHEN IT'S IN GOD'S NATURE/DESIGN FOR HIS CREATION/CHILDREN TO REPROCREATE. GENESIS 1:28 9:1 & 7 DEUTERONOMY 7:14 SAM IS A VICTIM OF HIS CULTURE AND RELIGION THAT BLINDS HIM IN SOME WAYS...ITS SAD...HE'S THERE, BUT NEEDS TO FREE HIMSELF OF RELIGION/LEGALISM. GOD IS RELATION NOT RELIGION. WE HAVENT HAD CHURCHES FROM THE BEGINNING IE THE GARDEN. WE MUST GO BACK TO THAT ANCIENT RECONNECTION TO ABBA. AMOS 5:21-23 SAMUEL 18
don't add to the bible. the bible actually says that.
Your argument is proof that no half siblings or adopted children existed from a previous marriage of Joseph's.
Putting that lie to rest.
I recently came to the same conclusion after a multi hour long deep deep dive. Thanks for posting so I know I’m not just making stuff up.
Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of Mary’s perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.
Mark 6:3 - Jesus was always referred to as “the” son of Mary, not “a” son of Mary. Also “brothers” could have theoretically been Joseph’s children from a former marriage that was dissolved by death. However, it is most likely, perhaps most certainly, that Joseph was a virgin, just as were Jesus and Mary. As such, they embodied the true Holy Family, fully consecrated to God.
True!
Ezekiel 44 isn’t messianic. All scholarship I can find indicates it is speaking of a figure that will serve under the Lord. considering that the 'Prince' in the passage has to provide a sin offering for himself, something that certainly doesn’t describe our Lord.
That's cool.
Let's discuss.
You give me one of your citations
I'll give you one of mine.
That Way we keep it simple
Beautiful Video Needed to Hear this to Teach Protestants thank you William and Sam!
Very strong argument
Excellent argument! May God bless Sam. Amen.
✝️ Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen. Hallelujah.
Also, if you didn’t mention it, when Jesus was on the cross, he told John the beloved to take care of his mother. If it would’ve been a brother, we obviously would have mentioned them first.
@@donhaddix3770 In Jewish tradition if the father had a brother who died, it was the brothers obligation to marry, and raise the children of the brother, and obviously marry his sister in law they very much become a part of the family. That’s why you would mention it.
Yes.
Mary had no other children so He told John to take her in so she wouldn't be alone.
@luvpamelanewton you just added your own thoughts to what's written.
What's written is simply that He was replacing the son that she was about to lose. No more, no less.
And this ALSO puts a nail in the coffin of the idea that Mary is the "mother of God".
Jesus gave her a diwciple to replace Himself as her son. He did this DESPITE THE FACT that He knew that He would return to life in 3 days and also never die again.
If He intended to remain her son, He would have.
But instead, He gave her a replacement. Do the math.
God, by nature, has no mother or beginning.
@@proverbs30-4 Yes
Shamoun my wife is Vietnamese and they often call their 1 and second cousins their brother and sister.
Like we are brothers and sisters of Christ through Adoption by the Father.
So why are there not many Protestants with missing hands, feet and eyes?
After all the children from the tribe you belong to is also your brother and sister.
They are your cousins too, if it wasn’t for the Protestants removing the book of Tobit, his father sent his son to the home of his cousin and a member of the tribe from whom he belonged.
Tobit was to take for his wife a (cousin) where in most it says a sister he should marry.
I even address my brothers and sisters in Christ when I teach, listen carefully to Shamoun he is your elder brother in Christ because he is knowledgeable of the study of church history and the church fathers who we as faithful in Christ are brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ. 14:09
those "brothers" are identified in the Bible as the sons of another Mary, wife of Clopas.
Matthew 27
55 There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; 56 among whom were Mary Mag′dalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zeb′edee.
(the james and joseph mentioned in chapter 13)
Mark 15
40 There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag′dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger[f] and of Joses, and Salo′me, 41 who, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered to him
John 19
25 So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home. (this also proves that the words “brother” and “sister” don’t necessarily mean blood relations, because the Blessed Mother was an only child)
More special pleading to deny the obvious fact that Jesus had siblings. Then you claim Mary had a sister called Mary?
I think you are a bit confused.
So biblically 'brother & sister' doesn't mean siblings only 'cousins' or something. This is more straining the straightforward to absurdity to fit your 'miraculous' agenda. This is too obvious & just makes you look ridiculous.
@@DanielFerguson-j9uinstead of calling someone a bit confused, pick up that Bible and give some clarity. I too understood it as though they were not sons of Mary mother of Jesus. Explain to me how it is shown that they are?
@@DanielFerguson-j9uWait what? Literally you are reading Greek texts, and traditions of ancient Israel. You have to take in consideration historical context, and how they would refer to each other. You have to be a little more informed in order to know what's really going on. There is some ambiguity here because in that time, that part of the world, and the words used in Greek, does make it difficult to determine if these were actual Brothers or cousins or even brothers in faith. If there is something a little more nuanced that shows exactly who they are, please show it to us
@@DanielFerguson-j9uHe is not claiming Mary had a sister named Mary. It is written exactly that way in the Bible. Mary was a very common name then.
May the All Holy and EVER VIRGIN Mother of God intercede for the conversion of heretics and unbelievers. ☦☦☦
Amen
May your faith be in Jesus Christ alone our savior
Matthew 1:24-25
“Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”
To know a husband or wife in the biblical sense is to lay with them in the marriage bed.. so please stop following a false doctrine.
Amen may she always teach us with the Rosary to a better relationship with her and especially her son Jesus Christ our amazing wonderful mighty God
@@shivadizayin Okay explain me how can someone not have son until death, so what does it mean? That the mather must first die to give birth
2 Samuel 6, 23
So for Michal the daughter of Saul, she had no child until the day of her death.
Or maybe until does not require change of state, otherwise Michal would birth child after her death
Mr shamoun look at the people at the foot of the cross, it is written that these same brothers and sisters are the children of Mary the wife of cloepas which is the cousin of Mary the mother of Jesus. From here we came to know that these brothers are the cousins of Jesus
But these are NOT the same group as Jesus brothers in the other passage. All these names were very common in the area at that time.
@@DanielFerguson-j9u they were the same names that were mentioned earlier as the brothers of Jesus, the Bible uses the word brothers because there was no name for cousins in the language of Jesus Christ
In the Gospel there is a woman, the follower of Jesus named Mary a sister (cousin) of Mary, Jesus Mother (John 19.25)
Matthew 13.55 - “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
Matthew 27.56 - Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons.
Mark 15.47 - Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph saw where he was laid.
John 19.25 - Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
@ what language did JESUS use?
I don’t understand why the Bible would have Mary with his brothers at least 4 times. The most convincing is when they say in Nazareth, “are these not his brothers?” Also, consummating a marriage and having children is no sin. It is a very good example to us.
@loveyourenemy7796 " Also, consummating a marriage ..." ok, we know they were betrothed, but show me in scripture when/where their marriage wedding occurred?
@ In this situation there may not have been a big wedding, since it was quick and they were poor. But the following passages are clear that they were legally married:
“Then Joseph also ascended from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to be declared, with Mary his espoused wife, who was with child.”
Luke 2:4-5 CPDV
Joseph had to declare himself of royal lineage because the Caesar required everyone who was, to do so. He espoused Mary before they went to Bethlehem and became formally legal.
“When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife,”
Matthew 1:24 NRSV-CI
Notice that as you know, they were already betrothed, THEN Joseph took her as his WIFE.
@loveyourenemy7796 hi, hope all is well "are these not his brothers..." - who is making this statement?
Where in the Bible does it say that any of Jesus' brothers are Mary's children? It never once does. You can't claim to be "sola scriptura" while also denying Mary's perpetual virginity because there is not a single inference anywhere in scripture that Mary had any other biological children after Jesus.
@loveyourenemy7796 You dont understand Jewish marriage customs back then. They were married, but were not yet living together. Church Fathers understood this.
Catholic Bible Highlights with Kenny Burchard. "Undeniable Truth: Jesus had NO Siblings!"
@@barako888 I'm sorry, but this is all based on assumptions that contradict what the Text actually says.
And, why?
Because we assume/contrived it would not be right that Mary could have done a 'common' thing?
Sex in a biblical marriage is blessed by God.
Matt 1:25 even heavily implies (to the point of basically saying it) that she did have sex with Joseph after Jesus was born.
It's NOT truth, & certainly deniable, because the Gospel name Jesus' brothers.
@@DanielFerguson-j9u Do you mean the same ones that the same Bible identify as being the children of the other Mary, the wife of Clopas?
@@DanielFerguson-j9u its jewish tradition
For those thinking on Matthew 1:25, Matthew used same word "until" (έως) at chapter 28:20.
Does It make Sense to you?
Exactly...why would Mathew say Until the baby was born...meaning the marriage was consummated after Christ was born
You were alive until you were dead... does that mean you made a sandwich to eat after you died?
According to most great theologians and church fathers James was a real Brother and NOT Cousin. Biased catholic translations one can find also about Grace.
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These people left the Truth long time ago and created gods they now serve. This popish faith has nothing to do with Christianity.
Mark 7:8
For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.
Joshua 24:15
But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.
Matthew 15:14
Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.
Revelation 18:4
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
Why does this doctrine exist (perpetual virginity of Mary)?
Is it not because people believed sex to be a dirty or unclean thing and did not want Mary to be disparaged by such a common thing?
Biblically, sex (in it's proper context) is blessed by God.
I see no reason why Mary having biological children after Christ diminishes her in any way.
Because every heresy or wrong doctrine against the virgin Mary is in true against the Crist, because those lies tries to atack the humanity of Jesus. Secondily, remember that God put the devil against the women in the book of genesis. Thats why the devil always try to create things that go against the Holy Mary, atacking the Son and the Women at the same time. Thats why we must to defend Mary every time, because doing this, we defend Jesus, i. His human nature and the profecies about the women that is the Holy Mary.
it exists because someone made it up and people choose to believe it, rather than the actual bible.
Mary promised God to stay a virgin.
@@luvpamelanewtonyea and which verse tells you that?
@@Nate-n5zYou made up the Bible saying Mary had other children.
Sam God bless you brother!
What about where Joseph supposedly did not lie with Mary till Jesus was born and Jesus is described to be her first child?
Nothing that you say proves that Mary had other children!
And what is the meaning?
Matthew 1
18a This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, ...
Luke 1
31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. ...
34How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin [andra ou ginóskó = A MAN NOT I KNOW]?”
35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Matthew 1
18b ... she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. ...
20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ...
24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and embraced Mary as his wife.
25But he had no union with her until [ouk eginōsken autēn heōs = NOT KNEW HER UNTIL] she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
*****
Mark 6
3Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and THE BROTHER of JAMES*, Joses, JUDAS*, and Simon? Aren’t HIS SISTERS here with us as well?” And they took offense at Him.
Jude 1
1JUDE*, a servant of Jesus Christ and a BROTHER of JAMES*,
1Corinthians 15
7Then He appeared to JAMES*, then to all the apostles.
Galatians 1
19But I saw none of the other apostles except JAMES*, THE LORD’S BROTHER.
John the Baptist was Jesus’s cousin, and there’s no reference to calling John His brother.
If Joseph and Mary wanted to remain virgins, why get married in the first place?
Culturally speaking, at the time kids were a blessing from God. Not being able to carry children was assumed to be a judgment from God.
Why wouldn’t she have kids?
I actually find this whole point of discussion distasteful.
Why does anybody care?
What’s the importance of it all?
Occam's razor, or the principle of parsimony, tells us that the simplest, most elegant explanation
is usually the one closest to the truth
St judas and St James were sons of Clopas, Mary of Clopas. He was brother of St Joseph Jesus' father and she was cousin of our blessed mother St Mary.... Maria Valtorta
The Gospel As Revealed to Me
what demon revealed that to you?
@@Nate-n5z It was an "extra biblical" demon
@@Nate-n5zJerome, among several Church Fathers
@ Jerome was born over 400 after Jesus' death and resurrection. All he can say on the subject is tradition.
The Theotokos always flushes out the demons
No… Mary was and is sanctified grounds… as Moses avoided defiling his body with sexual relations after encountering God, Mary never allowed anyone to defile her sanctification. She was holy ground.
She made a promise to God and stuck by it.
Is marriage not a sanctification in the eyes of God? How does doing the things one does in a sanctified marriage, violate her being sanctified as the mother of Jesus?
@@biblicalchristianity1016 Are you comparing an encounter with Christ to getting married? Having a Child with Christ is supposed to be disregarded and trampled on? The jews did have relations with those who are touched by God.
Wishful thinking & unreal fairy stories.
@spartanastas while God the Son is eternal, Jesus the man is not. Until Jesus the man was baptized, was he just an ordinary man, living an ordinary life, doing ordinary things?
The gnostic infancy gospels would have us believe otherwise, but no mention is made in the Bible of Jesus living an extraordinary life before his baptism. Except once, on his bar mitzvah, when he stayed behind in Jerusalem to debate with the priests and elders.
Thus the capacity was there, but hidden. Meaning that no one had an encounter with God the Son until the appointed time. Up until that point, they had an encounter with Jesus the boy, youth, man. Which is why no one who knew Jesus growing up, his family, his village, accepted Jesus as the Messiah until after the resurrection.
It's crazy how it seems people who argue cannot understand step brothers by marriage.
Step brothers by marriage ends when the parents marriage ends.
At best one may call them ex step brothers.
It's strange that some people feel the need to deny that brothers & sisters means real brothers & sisters, not step siblings but actual full siblings. Why do you need to invent a problem here where none exists. The Bible nowhere says Mary was a perpetual virgin, but it clearly states that Jesus had brothers & sisters.
@@DanielFerguson-j9u also let us not forget their other claim about Mary, that she was sinless like Jesus.
Despite Jesus telling us that only God is good, and Paul telling us that none are righteous, no not one.
They really are trying their damnest to turn Mary into an immaculate goddess worthy of worship.
I'm sure she would be horrified by this turn of events.
@@DanielFerguson-j9u no it does not state so. It actually states that some individuals were known as brothers & sisters of Jesus but being know as, and actually being, are not the same. Show the verse that states that those were indeed Jesus's siblings and not that they were known as so. Because according to the same Bible, Abraham and Lot were not sibling although they were known as so.
Sam Thank you for the videos. I grew up Catholic in Poland and we were taught that Joseph was old and his wife died and he had children. I do have another question I have been thinking about it. So by the power of the Holy Ghost Mary conceived Jesus. The Holy Ghost can be “ considered “ her spiritual spouse since they produced Jesus. The two became one. In some of the Marian writings they refer that the Holy Spirit was the spouse. Therefore Mary did not have a sexual relationship with Joseph. Sorry I may not make much sense but I keep thinking about it. But I may be completely wrong and I was wondering what your thoughts are ? Do you know if any of the Church doctors had a similar intake? How about the Old Testament ? Thank you for your consideration.
Our parish priest, a Capuchin friar whom I greatly respect, told me that the brothers of Jesus mentioned in the gospel were Joseph's children from his previous marriage.
So that's the stance I'm going to take, I think it's better grounded in tradition and scripture than the cousin theory.
Although neither position is heretical, they both affirm our blessed Lady's perpetual virginity.
Why is it important to you that Mary is a perpetual virgin? How does her NOT being a perpetual virgin change anything?
@@biblicalchristianity1016 Because that is a belief that all Christians are obligated to hold. We follow the infallible teachings of the Church as a matter of humility and obedience to Christ, who said "what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven".
If you don't believe this, you may still be a Christian, you're just not very good at it.
Mary stayed a virgin her whole life.
No biblical support from that and it was clear that the word for literal brothers was used. There's also no biblical support for the idea that Joseph had family and children before Mary. Whenever Jesus' brothers visited him, it was always with his Mother.
It's irrelevant whether Mary remained a virgin or not. There is no theological significance to Mary being a virgin.
According to biblical accounts, Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary until after Jesus was born. This is explicitly stated in Matthew 1:25, which says, “But he did not consummate the marriage until she had given birth to a son. And he named him Jesus.” The term “consummate the marriage” refers to the first sexual intercourse between a married couple.
In the context of Jewish customs at the time, Mary and Joseph were considered married even before the marriage was consummated. They were betrothed, which was a legally binding agreement that could only be terminated by a formal divorce decree. During the betrothal period, they were expected to remain celibate.
@@rdee8829 Rubbish. Where did you get that from? A formal Biblical divorce only applied to couples who were fully married (marriage having been consummated). The penalty that Mary faced having been found pregnant without having been formally married to Joseph was stoning to death.
@@thejohannreinshow2497
You make no sense. If Jesus had brothers he wouldn't have told John to look after her. Also you're lying about the word literally meaning brother.
Watch the Video and stop being dumb
With the exception of Simon , you find in the following scriptures the father and mother of all those those to whom the Protestants claim are children of the Blessed Mother. However, Jude has a letter in the Bible where he identifies himself as the brother of James and not Jesus. Had Jude been the brother ofJesus, he would not have wasted the opportunity to address the people to whom his writing to, to identify himself as the brother of Jesus as opposed to the brother of James. Simon in the other hand I can’t find the parents but we know he’s a Canaanite and Jesus was from Nazareth or Galilee so there’s no way that Simon was the son of Mary.
Marc 3:16-19
16 And Simon he surnamed Peter;
17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:
18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite,
19 And Judas Iscariot, which also betrayed him: and they went into an house.
Matthew 27:56
56 Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons.
John 19:25
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Jude 1
1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
How does Matthew 1:25 "and he knew her not, until..."not imply that he knew her after?
Early Christians did not infer that.
So, according to fantasia55 Matthew was no early Christian. Her profile name seems to be her mind-set that is pure Bible discrediting fantasy.
Mary WASN'T MARRIED with Joseph and it was not sure that they will. Therefore they had NO SEX during betrophal. No sexual intimicy during this time corresponds the biblicalaccount. Otherwise Joseph would not have been astonished/concerned about a pregnancy and he would have had no reason to quit the betrophal. To protect her, Joseph got the order to promptly marry Mary but they didn't have SEX UNTIL Jesus was born. If there was an everlasting virginity of Mary then Matthew, the other gospels and the New Testament could have clearly mentioned it. But the contrary is the case. No unbiased reader will understand the following verses like her, Sam and the CC:
Matthew 1
18a This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, ...
Luke 1
31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. ...
34How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin [andra ou ginóskó = A MAN NOT I KNOW]?”
35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Matthew 1
18b ... she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. ...
20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ...
24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and embraced Mary as his wife.
25But he had no union with her until [ouk eginōsken autēn heōs = NOT KNEW HER UNTIL] she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
*****
Mark 6
3Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and THE BROTHER of JAMES*, Joses, JUDAS*, and Simon? Aren’t HIS SISTERS here with us as well?” And they took offense at Him.
Jude 1
1JUDE*, a servant of Jesus Christ and a BROTHER of JAMES*,
1Corinthians 15
7Then He appeared to JAMES*, then to all the apostles.
Galatians 1
19But I saw none of the other apostles except JAMES*, THE LORD’S BROTHER.
P.S. And certainly fantasia55 also speaks to people from beyond, e.g. Mary and Saints. This is pure pagan occultism.
Silly Sam. Ignoring God's Word and accusing the Holy Spirit of misleading him to his false conclusions. You win an argument by making up facts that don't exist anywhere? Joseph had children from a previous marriage? Sorry, the Holy Spirit didn't lead you to lies. And no, I don't trust spurious works that deny the Scriptures.
And why didn't Sam discuss the Biblical evidence proving that Mary and Joseph consummated their marriage? "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till (UNTIL) she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Matthew 1:24-25
Yes "till" means exactly that in the original Greek. heōs - till, until, a conjunction, preposition and adverb of continuance, until (of time and place):-even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long
Sorry, Sam, your wayward church fathers don't refute God's Word, which is inspired and breathed by HIM, not the harlot Roman Catholic church. Joseph had a beautiful wife, and God allowed them to enjoy each other in every way, including as man and wife, all the days their life together.
If you can read anything into the text, it's that. A husband leaves his mother and father and becomes ONE flesh with his wife. Joseph and Mary became ONE flesh in accordance with God's design.
You're inventing that Joseph had relations with Mary. Bible does not say that and no early Christian agreed with you.
@@fantasia55 It's not a stretch to know that a husband had marital relations with his wife. It IS a stretch to believe that husband and wife did NOT have marital relations, though. And Matthew 1:24-25 clearly shows that they did AFTER Jesus was born.
@@fantasia55 So Joseph lied to the census authorities in Bethlehem when they asked him of he was the Father of Yeshua?. If Joseph wasn't the biological father of Yeshua - then Yeshua was not the Messiah of the royal line of King David.
What verse and chapter of the bible do we find the biblical txt about Joseph having a previous family and children?
Some very early Church Fathers said he was a widower.
We don't. Just more thing cathokics have made up to suit them.
Bible clearly staes he has brothers and sisters. John the Baptist was a cousin but bible never calls him his brother does it.
They can not stand the idea that Mary had a normal husband and wife relation after Jesus birth.
Also try to connect thw names to his apostles even those these are exceedingly common names. Like we have 3 Mary's together all the time. Several James, John's, Simon's.
But because this Mary also had 2 sons by the name of James and John they are whom the bible is referring to. Nah.
Even Paul calls James ( after he comes to believe his brother was mesiah) the Lords brother.
It was not sinful for Mary to not remain a Virgin. Relax guys. She is still Holy and Blessed just not a perpetual virgin.
Very poor explanation from Sam. Is it not more concise to say relatives when referring to mother, brothers and sisters.
By your explanation is he also denying Mary as a mother by calling her a mere relative.
@Earth_Angel_1111 Bible does not say Mary had other children.
Where do you get the notion that everything must be in the Bible? The gospels having been written by Matthew Mark Luke John is not is the Bible. You believe it because early Christian writers said so. Early Christian writers also said those siblings were not Mary's children.
@@fantasia55but ir si un the bible, Jesus brothers
Anyone who truly believes in Jesus Christ knows that Our Lady gave us the Holy Rosery and told us to Pray it daily.
One of the Promises she gave to those that Pray it properly every day was that ," All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my ONLY SON Jesus Christ.
Enough said.
🙏💓🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹.
Can you show that in the Bible?
Romans 3:4 [...] let God be true, but every man a liar [...]
Please show
They were its cousins: John 19:25 - Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
By comparing Matthew 27:56, Mark 15:40 and John 19:25, we find that James and Joseph - mentioned in Matthew 13:55 with Simon and Jude as Jesus’ “brothers” - are also called sons of Mary, wife of Clopas. This other Mary (Matthew 27:61, 28:1) is called Our Lady’s adelphe in John 19.
The Bible does not call Mary a perpetual virgin, some man did. And in order to prove this man correct, the Bible is denied.
Why is Mary being a perpetual virgin so important, that people are willing to twist the plain meaning of the Bible to hold to this man-made teaching?
Seems to me that WHAT MAN would even DARE defile such a virtuous woman? I think that EVEN IF HE COULD ( which he COULD have done as he was her legal husband) , Joseph would not dare to be intimate with Mary just out of PURE RESPECT. Besides, sometimes there was a BIG price to pay for virgins that defiled themselves or were defiled. Roman Vestal virgins WERE BURRIED ALIVE if found to be defiled and their sexual partner was publicly beaten to death.
It was common in those times (and even today) for young girls to be separated/dedicated to remain virgins throughout all or part of their life. Virginity was regarded as the highest state, widowhood was second, wifehood, last. As such, I see NO LOGICAL REASON AT ALL for Joseph to do something like that, especially when an angel was sent to him to warn him that Mary was to have a CHILD and realizing it was not his, but of God.
Although I agree with your sentiment. Marital relations are not defilement. It is God’s will for married couples to be fruitful and multiply
no ordinary child, no ordinary couple @@Thermolizer
There is no defilement in what God blesses; the blessed union of a man and his wife.
Actually what is defiling😂
Hey Sam,
Luther, Calvin and Zwingley all believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.
Can you speak on who was the first Protestant/evangelical to start teaching that Mary wasn’t a perpetual virgin and that the brothers and sisters of Jesus were his biological siblings.
Thanks brother!
John Wesley also believed the same as the Reformers.
Apart from Jesus passing his mother to the Apostle John instead of a " brother" , additionally, it was Joseph of Arimathea that asked for His body not a "brother". Joseph is not mwntioned after the age of 12, as he was so old he had passed away by the time He was 30. Joseph must have been related to the Virgin Mary eg a possible uncle, otherwise how could Jeaus be a descendant of David
In the revelations that came to Edgar Cayce he declared that Jesus was born by the virgin Mary under the influence of the Holy Spirit. But he also insisted that Mary and Joseph abstained from sexual relations for 10 years and then had 2 daughters and 2 sons.
A friends grandmother remembering her childhood family.
Sisters after marriage would call all their Sisters children, "Their children." Not Nieces and Nephews.
The children called their Aunties children, "Brothers and Sisters," Not Cousins.
This was not the case with Brothers children, they were called, Cousins.
The reason Sisters did this was in case a Sister died, that sisters children would be brought up by her sisters.
The brothers would have Sister in laws to take care of their lost wives, sisters children.
A sensible arrangement among the women who loved their sister and her children.
Cousin, a word to denote child of an Uncle.
This might explain the Brothers of Jesus, and the Cousin of Jesus, John the Baptist.
Just a memory from long ago.
Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.” Matthew 28: 10 The resurrected Jesus telling Mary Magdalene and another Mary to go and tell my "brothers" - Jesus called all the 11 apostles my brothers. So can you presume Jesus had 11 brothers ? Jesus had no biological brothers but he had many brothers and sisters. I saw Protestants calling their Church members as brothers and sisters. According to their analogy they are biological brothers born to the same parents.
But Jesus probably meant his actual brothers, who were with & among the apostles. He didn't say 'my 12 brothers' meaning just the apostles.
All this special pleading to deny Jesus siblings is a bit overblown, because it's nonsense. Get over it. Jesus had several brothers & some sisters, some of whom were followers with his disciples.
These included James, who is recorded as a/the leader of the group when he was killed by a rebel mob.
MARY is the Ark of the New Covenant! Her womb is holy, as it held the Son of the most high God, FAR more holy than the original Ark! THUS, just as when someone dared to touch or even by accident, touched the Ark made of gold and wood, they DIED! Even Moreso if someone dared to approach the womb of Mary, where the son of the most high God dwell in the flesh!
Wait. The ark of the covenant held the Holy Spirit spirit. If you read the Old testament or the tanakh, you will see how a physical ark was built to house God so that he can dwell with them and he dwelled with them as Spirit. Which means the Holy Spirit dwelled amongst the people. When Jesus Christ went to heaven, he said that he would send the spirit down to us. So that though the word, and the law, will now live in. The holy spirit is not inside of Mary right now. The entity that existed within the ark and follow the people of Israel. It's not within Mary. In fact, while Jesus was walking along the streets and speaking to the people, it often stayed at that. The Holy Spirit was with him. When he was baptized. The Holy Spirit came down and settled and abided on him and remained in him. And then when he died, the spirit he gave to us. Read Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians. Which obviously means the spirit went from the ark, to Jesus Christ, to us. To all of humanity. I am absolutely sure that when Jesus ascended to his father in heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to all those who believe in him, Mary while she was alive. Alive most certainly received the Holy Spirit as well. But she is not the ark of the covenant. She does not encase the Holy Spirit alone. The third person of God does not only reside in Mary. The third person of the Trinity, the one God, lives in every Christian. That's why we grieve that Holy Spirit. Every time we do something that we should not do. He lives in us and we are considered literally the body of Christ. I could go on and on. Prove me wrong and show me the line in scripture where it says Mary is now the ark of the covenant and anyone who touches her will die
@@joevargas6694 What 3 things did Ark of the Old Covenant contain?
Hebrews 9:4 - 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein [was] the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
@@joevargas6694 Im so glad you asked! Mary was a stumbling block for me in my protestant mindset too. I was totally missing the typology in scripture concerning Mary. Basics: The original Ark contained the following: The word of God to His people written on tablets, The Manna (miracle bread from heaven), and the staff of Aaron)
Compare to what was In Mary's womb: The Word of God made flesh, The Living Bread which came down from heaven (John 6), and the the one who would rule with a staff of iron (Psalm 2:9 and in Isaiah) predicts that Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. The word "rod" refers to a shepherd's staff. Jesus will be not only King over all the nations but also their Shepherd.
Other typologies: When the ark was completed, the glory cloud of the Lord (the Shekinah Glory) covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle (Ex 40:34-35; Nm 9:18, 22). The verb for “to cover” or “to overshadow” and the metaphor of a cloud are used in the Bible to represent the presence and glory of God. God was very specific about every exact detail of the ark (Ex 25-30). It was a place where God himself would dwell (Ex 25:8). God wanted his words-inscribed on stone-housed in a perfect container covered with pure gold within and without. How much more would he want his Word-Jesus-to have a perfect dwelling place! If the only begotten Son were to take up residence in the womb of a human girl.
Luke 1:35 :"The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will OVERSHADOW you (Glory cloud). So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
David went out to retrieve the ark (1 Sm 6:1-2). After a man named Uzzah was struck dead when he touched the ark, David was afraid and said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” He left the ark in the hill country of Judea for three months. We are also told that David danced and leapt in front of the ark and everyone shouted for joy. The house of Obed-edom, which had housed the ark, was blessed, and then David took the ark to Jerusalem (2 Sm 6:9-14).
Compare with account in Luke "And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And "why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, "the babe in my womb leaped for joy". And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” (Lk 1:39-45)
The ark then returns to its home and ends up in Jerusalem, where God’s presence and glory is revealed in the temple (2 Sm 6:12; 1 Kgs 8:9-11). Mary also returns home and eventually ends up in Jerusalem, where she presents God incarnate in the temple (Lk 1:56; 2:21-22).
@@joevargas6694 Im so glad you asked! Mary was a stumbling block for me in my protestant mind too. I was totally missing the typology in scripture concerning Mary.
What was held in the original Ark? Written Word of God to His people, The Miraculous Manna (bread) which came down from heaven, and the Rod of Aaron.
Compare now what was in the womb of Mary: The living Word of God made flesh, the Miraculous Bread which came down from heaven John 6, and the the new shepherd to rule with an Iron rod. Psalm 2:9 predicts that Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. The word "rod" refers to a shepherd's staff.
When the ark was completed, the glory cloud of the Lord (the Shekinah Glory) covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle (Ex 40:34-35; Nm 9:18, 22). The verb for “to cover” or “to overshadow” and the metaphor of a cloud are used in the Bible to represent the presence and glory of God. Luke 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Compare King Davids response to the Ark coming to Him "David saw the ark he rejoiced and said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?"
to the gospel of Luke “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And "why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” (Lk 1:39-45)
Then in Rev chapters 11-12 we see again the Ark of the Covenant and then "The Woman" in Rev 12. As an important side note, Rev 12 also contains the same persons present in Gen 3:15
Facinating.
Mary asked Gabriel, " How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"...
She was a virgin.
Then, notice Joseph at Matt1:25, "knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
Mary KNEW no man UNTIL AFTER Jesus was born... then she KNEW her husband.
Please, it doesn't need to be so difficult. Why would God expect a man not to know his wife?
Next they will be forbidding members to marry... oh, wait..
That's an English translation. Church Fathers - and Reformers who read Greek - disagreed with you.
Mary's womb literally contained the fullness of the Godhead corporeally.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally.” (Col 2:9, DRC)
She was literally the New Ark.
What happened to the last person seen in the Bible touching the Ark?
“And the indignation of the Lord was enkindled against Oza, and he struck him for his rashness: and he died there before the ark of God.” (2 Sa 6:7, DRC)
You even added CAPITALIZATIONS - not very Sola Scriptura of you to alter the text to fit your theology.
@@StanleyPinchak If we go by that Logic that Mary could not be touched because she represented an ark, then Jesus can't be considered the 2nd Adam if Mary is considered the 2nd Eve, because in reality EVE NEVER GAVE BIRTH TO ADAM
And even with the untouchable ARK, don't forget there were chosen to carry the ark- they were the rightful men to touch or carry the ark.
Same way God gave Joseph the right to touch Eve the Ark when He told Joseph not to put away(divorce) Mary. It would only be an abomination if Jesus had sex with her while she was still pregnant with Jesus.
So after the birth of Jesus, Joseph had his way for sex as a husband and nothing would happen to him.
@@fantasia55 It being an English translation doesn't mean it wasn't stated that way in the original document.
The utter blasphemy to think Joseph would defile holy grounds and sleep with Mary after knowing that Mary just gave birth to God incarnate , Protestants don’t think before they talk🤦🏾♂️
@AceRamona - they think like Muslims - that in The Presence of God their phallus will be their first concern . . .
God is not bothered by these petty ideas about 'virginity'. It is mankind that is so obsessed by such nonsense. The world has been procreating through natural processes for millions of years, by the 'will of God', so why would the rules be changed for the conception of one more child, even Jesus.
This just makes your religion a ridiculous nonsense.
That's a lot of judgment and accusation and condemnation in that sentence. Jesus Christ is the son of God and is God blasphemy only exists when you speak against Him including the three persons of our God. Wondering if Mary slept with her husband after the experience of Jesus is not blasphemy. Mary is not a god. She is the one chosen through which God would enter the physical world and he said that he would save all of humanity, for there is not one who is perfect and without sin, he says in the native language and equivalence to no, not one which emphasizes that not a single human in the world is perfect. So therefore Jesus Christ has saved everyone including his earthly mom. Remember. Jesus was the word before the Earth was created, therefore coming through into the natural world through Mary did not cause the person of Jesus to exist. Exist. Only become revealed to us. So let's relax a little bit with the words of blasphemy and defiling Holy grounds. What are we doing.
As a person who is curious about this, I am trying to discover what in the Bible if anywhere, states that Mary was infallible, and never laid with her husband. Husband. If it is not explicitly stated then it can only be assumed, and it can be assumed. Either way. I know that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born because it was explicitly said that she was not touched. But I have yet to hear anyone show me explicitly where it says that Mary had no more children until her death. In fact, it does not discuss Mary quite as often as people pay attention to her. We Revere and find Mary amazing and wonderfully trusting of God. That is how we should be. Just as Abraham was when he was ready to plunge a dagger into his child for God. But several times while Jesus was speaking to the people and they diverted from what he was saying to talk about how amazing his mom was to have carried him, he corrected them and said in sum... on the contrary blessed is he who receives Me.
Can anyone just simply give me that simple scripture that states that Mary was infallible, or the simple scripture that states Mary never had children outside of Jesus. If I see this I will accept it.
@@joevargas6694 Doyou accept only explicit teachings? Or doyou also accept implicit teachings?
@@joevargas6694 Our Lord saved Mary from her conception and was with her (Luke1:28) JUST as He did Jeramiah(Jeremiah 1:5) and John(Luke 1:15) - she was born anointed with God's will and purpose since times ancient (genesis 3:15 & Ezek. 44:2 ) Plus, at Luke 1:47 Mary tells us God has already saved her (Jesus wasn't even born yet...)! :)
Jesus addressed Mary multiple times (shown at beginning & end of his public ministry) as WOMAN - the name that Eve had **BEFORE** she sinned. (Gen2:23, jn 2:4, 19:26)
IF Mary had other sons, Jesus would have violated rather than fulfilled Jewish Law by giving Mary to a non-family member. (John 19:26-27)
Simeon tells us 'a sword shall pierce [Mary's] heart also, that the thoughts of many hearts be made known'. (Luke 2:35)
John sees Mary already in heaven - (Rev 11:19 thru Rev 12:5)
John tells us ALL who keep God's word are Mary's offspring (Rev 12:17)
All Generations shall call her Blessed among women (Luke 1:48)
That's a LOT of scripture you done wrote off brother!
I have never heard anything more ridiculous!!
Apart from the fact that Sam keeps repeating the word “assume, assume”.. and “the majority”..
Why do you need to assume? When it’s written there?
Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.”
I don’t see jt saying …the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters with us? Which we mean infact are his cousins because when we say brothers and sisters we mean cousins or brothers and sisters from a previous marriage that Joseph had…
Seriously sam!! This is one of the worst “assuming” claims there.
What about
Matthew 1:24-25
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”
To ‘know’ a wife or husband in the biblical definition is to lay with them in the marriage bed.. so how do Catholics still make claim that Mary stayed a virgin?
And notice how it says “not till she brought forth her firstborn son”.. that automatically tells you that other children proceeded Jesus, at the very least one other sibling.
Or it would say her only Son.
While I respect Sam greatly for his biblical knowledge and how he addresses this, especially to Muslims, this video is bewildering
So you should do apologetics if you think that you got it right and Sam not?I think Sam is doing a great job in apologetics and all the early christans are on the same page whit chatolic wiew ,witch is early church wiew.even Marthin Luther and Jean Calvin NEVER doubt holy Mother of God,Mary s perpetual virginity it is in 18.ct invention
I came to the same conclusion from reading the text. If Joseph knew his wife after Jesus was born then Mary was no longer a virgin according to Matthew's account in the scriptures.
@@nigeltremain1900 Whether Mary was, or was not a virgin, has no theological significance.
Thank you case closed 😊
I must agree as well. I love Sam dearly as a brother in Christ, and He is doing wonderful things for the Kingdom of Christ, BUT, every man is fallible and there some things in Scripture, if we are all honest, that we unknowingly have wrong in our doctrine. But thanks be to God that we have the Holy Spirit that will continue to lead us, teach us, and correct us.
Praise Yeshua Hamashiach our Great God and Savior forever!!!!
she did not had others children it not even the same Mary or from Josheph ...Mary was present with those family members, but they are not her kids .Later it say who their mom and father is in the bible in different verses it not the same Mary .Mary the wife of Cleophas
Joseph was old and widowed when he married Mary. It was an arranged marriage by the priest from her temple so that she could be protected because her parents had passed away and she had to leave the temple. His children were probably around her age… do you really think that he would find it ok to sleep with her?
People must be free to think these were real brothers of Jesus, or not, because nobody actually knows for sure. It is only pious convention that holds that Mary had no other children. Yet the Bible calls them his brother's, not cousins.
Later people could not deny a truth to create a false 'truth' of their own. This is all false special pleading to support an untenable position.
Wow. You must think that God is overreacting when he unalive unworthy people entering the Holy of Holies. Jesus must not be God to you.
I know why you hate it when we honor Mary. Because there was once an angel of high rank who also showed extreme jealousy towards God favoring humans. That angel fell and became the devil. He is your father. You want a communist God who love people equally. You are of the devil.
Whats the point of being married to Joseph if Mary was some virgin goddess, these people were Humans stop upgrading them to Godhood
One literally contained the fulness of the Godhead corporeally for nine months. Are you serious? No just another heretical prot who wants to besmirch the mother of his Lord.
goddess? Mary was a human.
@@StanleyPinchakyeah so? She did her job as a vessel of God, birthed Jesus and then went on to live a normal life having more children with her husband.
Why is it important to you that Mary is a perpetual virgin? How does it change anything if she is not a perpetual virgin?
The point of Mary being married to Joseph is to fulfill the prophecy that was spoken through the prophets about Jesus being the son of David And descending from the lineage of David
It’s very clear, God uses all sorts of people for his will.
Not all men are like you bro. this is the Holy Family we are talking about.
Our Holy triune God in the Bible does not dumb down to us. He gave us the brain and free will to think for ourselves.
If the Virgin Mary had other children we would see them beside her at the foot of the crucified Lord wouldn't we?
No she is the Blessed Mary ever Virgin! The perfectly obedient, humble and pure new Eve.
No, we would not expect that his siblings would be at the cross, because His "brothers" were offended by Jesus' ministry until after Jesus' resurrection and His "sisters were nowhere mentioned by name. Don't you Catholics study your Bible? We also know from the Gospel of Matthew that Joseph had sex with Mary after Jesus was born (Mat 1:25). The perpetual virginity of Mary is neither culturally, scripturally, nor biologically sound. As you said, God gave us a brain to think. Now use it!
@nigeltremain1900 And what verse talks about this "family feud"? Show us or suffer God's wrath for your malicious heresy. Make no mistake we will all be held to account for every word we say and every deed we've done.
@nigeltremain1900 Where does it say Mary gave birth to a second child? Show us! You should be a host in a sleazy gossip show.
@@sonusancti There was no family feud as you put it.
According to the Apostle John, “not even his brothers believed in him” (John 7:5). Those who had lived with Jesus for 30 years really did not know him. Not one of Jesus’ brothers is mentioned as a disciple during his pre-crucifixion ministry. But after his resurrection and ascension, there they are in the upper room worshipping him as God (Acts 1:14). Again, you show your ignorance of the scriptures.
Matt 13:53 tells us the people of His hometown were offended over Jesus.
@@sonusancti What sleazy gossip? Mary was married to Joseph and Matthew tells us that Mary was known (had sex) with his wife after Jesus was born. It is righteous and holy for a husband and wife to have sex. How dare you make such an accusation! There is nothing sleazy about it.
May God bless you Sam.🙏
SONS OF MARY AND JOSEPH. ALSO BROTHER OR BROTHERS OF JESUS BECAUSE OF THIS PASSAGE....
Matthew 1:25 says, "And he knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus".
SO AFTER JESUS WAS BORN THEN JOSEPH KNEW MARY . THIS PASSAGE CANNOT BE DENIED . THIS INTIMACY WITH MARY CANNOT BE DENIED.
Brothers is the term used to discribe male relatives by the Jews 2000 years ago. There is scriptural evidence that Mathew was refering to the sons on Mary's sisterinlaw ( also called Mary) and their names are James,Joseph, Simon and Jude. The Blessed Virgin Mary was a Essenes, where the practice of sexual purity is a common. Read 'Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary' by Brant Pitre also 'Mary of Nazareth' and 'Jesus of Nazareth' by Michael Hesemann. There is no scriptural evidence that he had any natural Brothers.
N.B. we're all Brothers in Christ.
@MJRoche BROTHERS IN CHRIST IS RELATIVELY NEW TERM IN CHURCHES ,AM SURE THEY DON'T MEAN BROTHERS IN CHRIST BACK THEN SINCE THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT HIS SISTER'S. STILL THIS PASSAGE IS NOT ANSWERED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IS VERY HARD TO SAY OTHERWISE. ESPECIALLY WHEN AFTER JESUS GOT HIS NAME ,THEN JOSEPH KNEW MARY. THIS CAN'T BE CLEARER. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE OTHER TEXTS OR THE TEXT CLEAR AS DAY IN THE BIBLE. JOSEPH KNEW MARY AFTER JESUS WAS BORN. WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT THAT. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CANNOT CONTINUE TO DENIE THIS SCRIPTURE. WE BELIEVE THAT JOSEPH KNOWING HER INTIMATE,THERE HAS TO BE MORE CHILDREN BEING BORN FROM THIS MARRIAGE. THERE IS NOWHERE WHERE IT MENTIONS THAT BOTH MARY AND JOSEPH COULDN'T PHYSICALLY HAVE KIDS. IF YOU FIND IT OR A PRIEST FINDS THAT PASSAGE THEN THIS MATTHEW 1:25 CAN BE REFUTED EASILY. IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THEN LEAVE IT ALONE AND ACCEPT THE PASSAGE. SO CLEAR IT IS....
MARY HAD CHILDREN THIS PEOPLE DONT KNOW CRAP
good to see you ignored the entire video, theres no worse blindness than the one that refuses to see
@@hperez1551 I'm glad I done my homework
My readings indicate that James (the Less) and his brother Joseph were the sons of Alphaeus and the other Mary; she was widowed and then married Joseph’s brother Cleopas and had sons named Simon and Jude. See Eusebius’s writings.
Note: James the Less and Simon became Bishops of Jerusalem.
Jesus cares greatly about widows, and with James, Simon and Jude involved in the ministry; this left His cousin Joseph available to care for the other Mary.
Unbelievable. The lengths you will go to in order to insert into scripture a catholic doctrine. What about Jesus’ sisters? “They got a daddy named Forrest too?” It’s ridiculous!!! What purpose does being a virgin “after” Jesus’ birth. It is obvious that before Christ’s birth the scriptures tell us what her virginity meant. But after?! Why, to justify catholics church tradition of elevating her to a deity status? Even to being the pathway to Christ?! You use Catholic church tradition to prove catholic church doctrine. Then you say to those who disagree with you that they don’t know their bible, they are confused or don’t understand? It’s insulting!!! Wake up! Get away from the organized religion that allowed pedophiles to rape and sexually assault our boys and girls ( yes the nasty nuns were just as bad), push false doctrine and lie! Run!!!
Also, the eldest son is responsible to care for a widowed mother. If he is no longer alive it falls to the second oldest. If Jesus’s cousins were really His brothers then one of them would have been required to care for the Virgin Mary and not John. Not having any biological brothers, the disciple He loved most was appointed.
It has been argued that Alphaeus and Clopas are like Cephas/Peter, just being translated names. I think the cousin argument is the strongest, solely because of James being very clearly Jesus’s cousin just in scripture, Joseph being called a brother of James, and Simon being from the same father as James according to church history
I was circumcised on the 8th day , Just wondering why Jesus broke His Commandments and His Jewish Traditions and customs, at the Passover dinner (Last Supper) it is customary To celebrate Passover with Family, so where was Mary , seems Jesus would have definitely had His Mother at the last Supper, so where do you think she had the Passover Dinner?
Sam I don’t know if you know Father Luis Toro, but with his help I was able to find in the Gospels the parents of all those attributed to be brothers of Jesus except Judas the Zealot. However he was not from galilea or Nazareth, he was a Canaanite.
In the original the Word used for cousins and brothers are no the same... Stop giving things to Mary that she did not... God is not unfair to remove Josephs wife out of him.. Jesús himself did not give Mary the importance that the popular church wants to give her
Please tell me why is it important for Mary to be a perpetual virgin?
Like the Ark of the OT, Mary as the Theotokos & Ark of the NT, was untouchable
@@geoffjs
Where to find sources for your Mary - Ark(a) comparision, Theotokos and untouchable doctrine(b)?
(a)
Matthew 34
38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ARK,
Luke 17
27They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ARK, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Hebrew 11
7By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ARK for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
1Peter 3
20becausee they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ARK was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
(b)
Matthew 1
18a This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, ...
Luke 1
31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. ...
34How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin [andra ou ginóskó = A MAN NOT I KNOW]?”
35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Matthew 1
18b ... she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. ...
20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to embrace Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ...
24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and embraced Mary as his wife.
25But he had no union with her until [ouk eginōsken autēn heōs = NOT KNEW HER UNTIL] she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.
"Other children of Mary" proves that Christ is NOT the Messiah. PROTESTANTS! Jesus had to fulfill all prophecy, correct?
First and foremost, Jesus had to fulfill all messianic prophecy. There are three prophecies indicating that He would be an "only son"
Jeremiah 6:26 Gird thee with sackcloth, O daughter of my people, and sprinkle thee with ashes: make thee mourning as for an ONLY SON, a bitter lamentation, because the destroyer shall suddenly come upon us.
Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation: and I will bring up sackcloth upon every back of yours, and baldness upon every head: and I will make it as the mourning of an ONLY SON, and the latter end thereof as a bitter day.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour out upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace, and of prayers: and they shall look upon me, whom they have pierced: and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for an ONLY SON, and they shall grieve over him, as the manner is to grieve for the death of the FIRSTBORN.
"ONLY SON" and "FIRSTBORN." Three prophets are three strikes against the "other children" argument. If Mary had other children, Jesus is NOT the Messiah. Is this what we want to prove? The scriptures nowhere mention or name any "children of Mary' except Jesus.
In Luke 1, Gabriel, sent from God, tells Mary that she will bear “a son” - singular. Gabriel told Zechariah the same about his wife Elizabeth having "a son." (Luke 1:13) Why does no one argue that John the Baptist had "brothers" and sisters"? At the ascension (Acts 1:10-11) the Angels addressed the Apostles as "Men of Galilee" - thus they were brothers. At the Pentecost (Acts 2:7) the Jews gathered in Jerusalem exclaimed "Aren't these men all Galileans?" Thus all were brothers. In 1 Corinthians 15:6, Jesus appeared to "more than five hundred brothers" - what are we to make of this?
In the Book of Tobit, chapters 7 and 8, we see that in ancient Israel, a man married his “sister” - who was an eligible woman from his same tribe of the twelve tribes. Those from Dan married Danite women. Those from the tribe of Benjamin married women (“sisters”) from the tribe of Benjamin.
Protestants are absolutely desperate to prove the Catholic Church wrong, thus justifying themselves. It seems they will ignore both prophecy and scripture in their quest against the Church.
As in numerous places on earth to this day, Africa and Asia mainly, anyone from your town, province, or nation if expatriates, is a brother or sister. They use 21st century language and culture to judge ancient Israel.
He’s the father’s only son. That has nothing to do with marry
@@adrianortega4303If Pope Adrian says so. 🤣
@@adrianortega4303 OK. You are smarter than the bible. Got it.
@@StanleyPinchak these protestant are funny as hell 😂
Your proof verse says 'mourn as one mourns for an only son, and not mourn for the only son. Whereas it does say grieve for the firstborn, and not as if a firstborn.
This implies that only son is a comparison as related to the depth of mourning, and is not a claim that there is only one son. Which you are trying to make it imply.
OMG!!!!!!! STOP IT. Stop adding excuses and adding that these are Jesus cousins. Stop the gymnastics. Mary had other children. It’s God’s commandment for man and women to get married and have children. Sex is not a sin if you are married. You are absolutely ridiculous! JUST STOP! OMG! May the Holy Spirit correct you. Please do NOT accept Sam’s arguments. The scriptures are clear! In plain sight!
You are adding to the text that Mary had other children. Christians read the original Greek more than 1500 years before anyone invented the doctrine that Mary had other children.
Yes, Mary had other children. Jesus performed the adoption proceedings from atop the cross.
“26. When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. 27. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.” (Joh 19:26-27, DRC)
We see further reference in John's vision.
“And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Rev 12:17, DRC)
Sam proved it with scripture where is your proof that says otherwise ? All this hot air you speak of are all just accusations Sam made no excuses here he proved it with biblical law and modern law.
PS God Bless you Sam
That would make sense. Joseph would likely have liked in a multi-generational home. This is common in many parts of the world. My Afghan translator on my first tour who was married, lived at home with his parents, his brother who was also married. All of their children were raised together and their bonds were as close as brother and sisters.
It is a commandment of God from the beginning to have children
How can it be a sin?
OURLADY OF LOURDES OURLADY APPEARED IN LOURDES FRANCE, where she said I AM THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, oh MARY conceived WITHOUT SIN Pray for us, I love you dear mother of God, AVE MARIA
I WILL GO TO SAY SHE IS CO-REDEMTRIX AND MEADIATRIX OF ALL GRACES, AVE MARIA
The other view is Joseph had brothers one who had died and he adopted his brothers children and along with Mary they raised James and John from that marriage. This is what I have heard. Have you. There is a tradition of this very thing happening where when one brother passes away the other brother takes care of the wife and children.
That’s not in scripture. It’s making something up to agree with the perpetual virginity claim. You have views but scripture makes evident Jesus had brothers and sisters.
@@noself7889 no scripture does not say that but it also doesn’t say that he had brothers and sisters from where and he did tell them who are my brothers and who is my mother but those who follow me you need to read
Game changer: the idea that Mary didn’t have children does not fit in scripture. If you read it closely. If they were Joseph children would not Joseph have to bring them to the census with Mary. You have to bring as I understand your Family to be counted that way he had to bring Mary even though she was pregnant. Now if they were cousins. They would not be of the household. They would be from all over the place not likely part of his household. Luke 1: uses the word cousin for Elizabeth. So the Bible surely knows the difference. Joesph was to take Mary as his wife not as a treasure, that should not be touched are the angel would say so. He knew her not until the birth of Christ. What you thank that meant? Adam knew Eve thus was born her first son. Why is this important because the early fathers made a mistake. A small one at first, but a little yeast can really start something for it has lead to Mary as essential. For our salvation which is no where in. Scripture. Not even a hint. Paul said I have finished my Course I have kelp the faint, now is lead up for me a righteous crown that the Lord will give to me in that day. 2: TEM. 4:3:- if Paul had finished his ministry then you can bet all was said concerning salvation. the idea that these men could not make a mistake, after the death of Paul, just is not true for Paul was fighting against false doctrine even will he was a live. Paul said in 2 TEM. There will come a time they would not endure sound doctrine.
No one agreed with you on that until recently. It's an accretion.
Does Jesus contain the Godhead corporeally?
Did the Godhead reside in the womb of the Theotokos?
What do we call the vessel that contains God's presence on Earth?
What happens when you touch the Ark with your hands?
What does Ezekiel tell us about the East Gate by which the Lord enters? How many others use the same gate?
“1. And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and it was shut. 2. And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut” (Eze 44:1-2, DRC)
Yes the Bible tells us a lot about the perpetual virginity of the one it calls Full of Grace.
Why is this topic important? And what has it to do with the gospel?
The Protestants are the ones who make a big deal about it
Church Fathers said Mary was the New Ark - too sacred to be touched - because her womb had contained the Son of God.
@@fantasia55Ezekiel tells us no man will enter by the gate that the Lord enters by.
“1. And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and it was shut. 2. And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut” (Eze 44:1-2, DRC)
nothing.
Its important for knowledge due to avoid heretic.
Heretic come from misleading intepretation to become false teaching.
The fruit of false teaching : bad prejudice, slander, blasphemy, accusation etc.
Just read Matthew 13:55- Pretty simple answer.
Your interpretation denies the Virgin Birth.
If you are referring to a virgin birth of Jesus’ siblings, then yep, that did not happen. Mary was a wife and mother like any other to Joseph after the birth of Jesus, and of course she had pleased the Father such that she was elected to carry Jesus.
@@fantasia55 There is no theological need for the virgin birth.
Ok few problems I see here. First and foremost the New Testament was written in Greek, a language that did have separate terms for brothers and cousins. The authors of the Gospels were inspired by the Holy Spirit, possessing perfect knowledge, and it uses the term brother. That argument by itself is relatively weak I know, but it’s just a piece. Matthew 1:24-25 uses the language of Joseph did not know Mary as his wife(consummating the marriage) Until she bore her firstborn son. Multiple pieces of language indicating that yes Joseph knew Mary as his wife in context of intimacy. Then you have passages making mention of Christ's brothers in every gospel like in Mark 3, Luke 8, Matthew 12, John 7.
On top of this all, if these brothers and sisters were the step siblings from a previous marriage, they obviously must be older than Christ and yet in every mention of Christ's childhood, specifically when they needed to flee to Egypt, there is zero indication of there being anyone other than Mary, Joseph, and Christ. Yes, argument from silence, I get that. But all these factors together would seem to indicate that the mentions of siblings are those born of Mary by Joseph probably over some time after they returned from Egypt. That would seem to be the most logical conclusion from the totality of evidence from the scriptures.
I need to talk to Sam. Can anyone help me?
I could. I have an email address but my messages don't show up. I've known Sam since the 1990s but am shocked that he has fallen into sin.
@OnlyVisitingU what sin?
@@Anonymous-ec8xk Antinomianism. Translated in the NT as Iniquity - sometimes referred to as Lawlessness. as in Mt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity (ἀνομία anomia - without Torah)
Those "early Christians" you mentioned are all Catholic Bishops in the ONE and Only Holy Catholic Church which Jesus Christ Himself established here on earth for us.
God bless Mary she gave life to our savior and that were he story ends for me I pray to Jesus because he said I can
Maybe I missed it, but can anyone explain to me why Catholics just assume Joseph had kids from a previous marriage and not that Joseph and Mary had kids after Jesus? Quite frankly what difference does it make if Jesus had brothers or not after his virgin birth, is it really necessary for salvation to believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin?
The difference in makes is that it diminishes Jesus as being just another child of just another common woman. Her pregnancy was unique, her body was consecrated to God after He entered the world through that body. According to Ezekiel 44:2, once God uses something, men are not allowed to use it in the same way.
Jesus has revealed that they were cousins Joseph was a virgin. He had dedicated himself to God before meeting Mary.
Personly I have never had a problem in the possibly that Mary had more children after Jesus with Joseph
Step brothers. Yes.
I’m sorry but you are playing the games the muslim do when you debate them from their book, you show them from their book how wrong they are! Why can’t the protestant do the same!
it seems you purposely ignore that Protestant is a reform movement within the Roman Catholic Church.
You yourself said you feel bad that you attacked the Catholic and Orthodox church when you believed otherwise than you felt condemned and start defending them ,but is it really about Catholics,Orthodox, and Protestant. I saw people with faith in all these Churches and people messed up in all these three Churches(from Bishops/ priests / Pastors .. good and bad .
Why are you taking a side,reading the Bible I only cared to know more about our Lord. And if you truly seeking to know God you will find misinterpretation somewhere somehow in all churches. If they care only to bring people to Christ they would’ve been united so obviously the enemy has the seed of ego planted in all three churches .
Concerning Mary stayed virgin
Matthew 1:24-25
24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and DID NOT KNOW HER TILL she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
(KNOW HER MEANS they consummate their marriage. Check the Greek version).
And this doesn’t make the Role of Mother Mary any Less, the Bible doesn’t need us to make extra effort to prove it’s Holiness , and that it is the Good News ..
Mother Mary is blessed among all and having children from Joseph doesn’t make her less blessed.
And no I’m not defending the protestant , I believe in the Holy communion for example..
speaking in tongues, they take part of the text and say Paul encourages speaking in tongues, wrong interpretation from the Protestant Church
1 Corinthians 14:1-19 yes it says you can ask for the gift of speaking in tongues that no one will understand but God, but in the same text Paul says speak it if you can translate it to the Church ,”never met a pastor who was able to translate “ than he says what’s the use of speaking in tongues if no one understand .
Therefore my dear Sam, God’s word is above all! God bless you and bless all Christians no matter what church you belong to as long you believe in the Father the Son and the Holy spirit and you seek to follow the word of God and live as a goodChristian that pleases the Lord ,amen
Well, the Bible says several times Jesus had brothers, and sisters so to say he didn’t is an outright lie.
I’m the stupidest dud from the entire world, and I still consider Sam Shamoun as one of the big dogs on apologetics. But ending this with legal adoptions on all Mary’s sons I thinks us violating f the entire idea the text gives .
First is to decode how many Marys are there in Gospel of Mark
One is Mary - mother of Jesus
One is Mary Magdalene
One is Mary - mother of James and Joseph
All 3 Marys are at the foot of the cross
Now lets start Mark 6:3
Brothers - James,Joses,(Mathew calls Joseph)Judas,Simon
Lets go to the foot of the cross
Mark 15 :40
Mary Magdalene
MARY- mother of James the less and Joses
Salome
Mark 15 :47
Mary Magdalene
MARY - mother of Joses
Mark 16:1
Mary Magdalene
MARY - mother of James
Salome
Lets go to Mathew
Mathew 27 :56
Mary Magdalene
MARY - mother of James and Joseph
Mother of Zebedees sons
Mathew 28 :1
Mary Magdalene
Other Mary
Lets go to John
John 19 :25
Mary -Mother of Jesus
MARY -His mothers sister- wife of cleopas
Mary Magdalene
Lets go to Luke
Luke 23 :55
Women from Galilee.
Please understand now who is who ..
All Glory to God and Praise be Jesus
Blessed are the most chaste and profound parents of Lord Jesus .
Blessed is Mary ,my mother and mother of all Christ has given her.
Blessed is Joseph ,the protector of the catholic church.
Blessed is their holy marriage and their holy family.
Why does it even matter if Jesus had half siblings or not? I have always assumed He did, but it is possible He didn't. It makes no difference to my faith.
What is the real question?
Was Jesus born of a virgin. Yes.
This is confirmed in Mathew chapter 1:
22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet:
23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son,
and they will call him Immanuel,[j]
which means ‘God is with us.’”
24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus. (NLT)
Was Mary a virgin all of her life? No.
According to Mathew, Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born - confirming that fact that Jesus was born of virgin - which fulfilled prophecies even from Genesis.
why are you adding the word "after" to what the Bible actually says? until and until after are not identical translations of what the Greek actually says which is just until without any indication, positive or negative of what happened afterwards.
Joseph from a previous marriage kids. Joseph and Mary were cousins. Joseph was a widower. His wife died a year previously before the priest arranged to Mary to be arranged a marriage and Joseph was chosen. He was her cousin too.
The RCC added a "doctrine" about brothers and sisters that are not because their changing, additions and sustraction in their teachings.... First century theology don't have those doctrines,....man made ....
Os so sad to see so much foolishness coming out of a smart persons mouth🤦🏻♂️ then again that’s what the Bible teaches, man wisdom is foolishness to God. Sam is a prime example of it
Matthew 1:24-25 KJV
[24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [25] and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Joseph knew her not until Mary brought forth her firstborn son.
This destroys Catholic tradition, the word knew her not speaks of intercourse.
After Mary brought forth her firstborn son, she had more sons and daughters by Joseph.
The word used in Matthew 1:25 “heos” or ‘until’ in English was used in other parts of scripture let me know if they make sense by the understanding you’re presupposing
2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child ‘until’ (heos) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she DIED?) -the exact same word
1 Timothy 4:13: Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes?)
1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ's reign will end? By no means!
Prots put a loooooot of emphasis on the word until there….but I don’t think they’d make the same leap for Michal having a child UNTIL her death lmao
The term “until” (Greek, heōs) commonly indicated a particular state existed to a certain point, as in “John worked at his desk until five o’clock.”
The existing state often changes when the point is reached (thus, at five o’clock, John may go home). But change is not always indicated.
In 2 Samuel 6:23, Saul’s daughter Michal scoffed at King David’s enthusiasm for the Lord, and we read that she had no child “until” the day of her death. The word in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament is heōs. The passage does not mean Michal had a child after the day of her death. It means she never had children.
We see the same in the New Testament. In Matthew 13:33, Jesus tells a parable in which he says, “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” The use of “till” (heōs) does not mean that the leaven was later taken out of the flour.
Similarly, in Matthew 14:22, Jesus is at the Sea of Galilee and “he made the disciples get into the boat and go before him to the other side, while [heōs] he dismissed the crowds.” This does not mean that the disciples turned around and returned to shore as soon as Jesus dismissed the crowds. They continued their journey to the other side, which resulted in their meeting Jesus as he was walking on the water (Matt. 14:25).
Great video. Yes.
One of the doctrines of the Catholic Church is that Mary remained a perpetual virgin. Matthew 1:25 states that Joseph knew his wife after Jesus was born. That means in modern English, that Joseph had sex with her after Jesus was born and Mary was no longer a virgin. Are the church fathers saying that Matthew was lying? If Matthew was not lying, it is very likely the "brothers" of Jesus were Jesus' half brothers as the Protestants believe. The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary, neither fits the scripture nor biological facts. So is the Bible correct, or are the church fathers correct who came later than Matthew?
Matthew 21:
24
Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife,
25
and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
The " until" " knew her not"
Debunked in the 5 th century.
@@iggyantioch KJ21
and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
ASV
and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name Jesus.
AMP
but he kept her a virgin until she had given birth to a Son [her firstborn child]; and he named Him Jesus (The Lord is salvation).
AMPC
But he had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.
BRG
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
CSB
but did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he named him Jesus.
CEB
But he didn’t have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. Joseph called him Jesus.
CJB
but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua.
CEV
But they did not sleep together before her baby was born. Then Joseph named him Jesus.
DARBY
and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
DLNT
And he was not knowing her until which time she gave-birth to a Son. And he called His name Jesus.
DRA
And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
ERV
But Joseph did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And he named him Jesus.
EASY
Joseph did not have sex with Mary until after the baby boy was born. He said that the boy's name should be Jesus.
EHV
but he was not intimate with her until she gave birth to her firstborn son. And he named him Jesus.
ESV
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
ESVUK
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
EXB
but he did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And ·Joseph [L he] named him Jesus.
GNV
But he knew her not, till she had brought forth her first born son, and he called his name JESUS.
GW
He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Jesus.
GNT
But he had no sexual relations with her before she gave birth to her son. And Joseph named him Jesus.
HCSB
but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus.
ICB
But he did not have intimate relations with her until she gave birth to the son. And Joseph named the son Jesus.
ISV
He did not have marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he named him Jesus.
PHILLIPS
When Joseph woke up he did what the angel had told him. He married Mary, but had no intercourse with her until she had given birth to a son. Then he gave him the name Jesus.
JUB
and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son, and he called his name Jesus.
KJV
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
AKJV
and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
LSB
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.
LEB
and did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
TLB
but she remained a virgin until her Son was born; and Joseph named him “Jesus.”
MSG
Then Joseph woke up. He did exactly what God’s angel commanded in the dream: He married Mary. But he did not consummate the marriage until she had the baby. He named the baby Jesus.
MEV
and did not know her until she had given birth to her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.
MOUNCE
but he had no marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he called · him Jesus.
NOG
He did not have marital relations with her before she gave birth to a son. Joseph named the child Yeshua.
NABRE
He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.
NASB
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he named Him Jesus.
NASB1995
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.
NCB
but he engaged in no marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus.
NCV
but he did not have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to the son. And Joseph named him Jesus.
NET
but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus.
NIRV
But he did not sleep with her until she gave birth to a son. And Joseph gave him the name Jesus.
NIV
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
NIVUK
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
NKJV
and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
NLV
But he did not have her, as a husband has a wife, until she gave birth to a Son. Joseph gave Him the name Jesus.
NLT
But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.
NMB
and knew her not till she had brought forth her first son, and called his name Jesus.
NRSVA
but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.
NRSVACE
but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.
NRSVCE
but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.
NRSVUE
but had no marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Jesus.
NTFE
but he didn’t have sexual relations with her until after the birth of her son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
OJB
And Yosef [ben Dovid] did not know her until she bore BEN and Yosef [Ben Dovid] called him by name of Yehoshua [Ben Dovid][See Baba Bathra 8:6].
RGT
But he did not know her until she had brought forth her first-born Son, and he called His name, Jesus.
RSV
but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus.
RSVCE
but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus.
TLV
But he did not know her intimately until she had given birth to a Son. And he called His name Yeshua.
VOICE
(though he did not consummate their marriage until after her son was born). And when the baby was born, Joseph named Him Jesus, Savior.
WEB
and didn’t know her sexually until she had given birth to her firstborn son. He named him Jesus.
WE
But he did not make love with her until her first son had been born. He named him Jesus.
WYC
and he knew her not, till she had born her first begotten son, and he called his name Jesus.
YLT
and did not know her till she brought forth her son -- the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.
@@nigeltremain1900Early Christians, who read the original Greek and understood the culture, said Mary had no other children.
@@iggyantioch Just about every translation translates it that Joseph did not know his wife (have sex with) until after Jesus was born. 5th century reinterpreting of the scriptures does not bebunk anything. The Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of Matthew 1:25 all state that Joseph knew his wife after Jesus was born.
@@nigeltremain1900It's your take on the word until that deceives you. Early Christians did not speak English. Early Christians said Mary had no other children.
Sex under marriage is holy.... Matthew 1:25.....Joseph knew Mary .... Is an absurd catholic argument they won't.
yes it is holy. But according to Ezekiel 44:2, once God makes use of something, or someone, that something or someone cannot be used in the same way by men. It has become the Holiest. Consecrated to God only. Not to priests, kings, nor husband or other children in her particular case. Moses would not have dared to chop the bush where God spoke to him to use its wood for heating and cooking, or to make tools or furniture which are not forbidden uses of common wood. But that wood's bush, and even the soil around it, became Holy, consecrated to God once God used it. Do you think Christians would have dared to bury someone else in the same tomb where Jesus' body remained until His Resurrection? Do you think the Apostles would have sold or raffled among them the few material objects that belong to Jesus such as clothing and sandals? Do you think Joseph and Mary would have dared to risk conceiving a child in the same womb where Jesus, the Son of God, lived for nine months?
Dr. Brant Pitre on the you Tube channel Catholic Productions has the definitive explanation about the brothers of Jesus
Please, read the Scriptures- And she brought forth her firstborn
What is it FIRSTBORN (it means must be second and ….)
Luke 2:7
And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
Matthew 13:55-56
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
@Roman-ny5ev - "What is it FIRSTBORN (it means must be second and ….)" - no , the status as 'firstborn' has an importing meaning having to do with inheritance.
It makes NO assumption as to whether any subsequent children are conceived/born - you are completely interjecting that yourself.
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his ONLY SON, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)
@@Roman-ny5ev John the Baptist was the firstborn. Did he have any siblings? No.
I hope you don’t believe that he’s not aware of those texts. Firstborn in the Bible doesn’t equal only born as some of the comments here have pointed out
@ Awareness and logically thinking beyond “hate all things Apostolic Churches believe” are different issues.
Also says the brother of our LORD
In the old testament, they called members of the same family lineage of the 12 tribes of Israel brothers and sisters. From my understanding, outside of 5th cousins or something like that, God actually felt it to be righteous to marry your "brothers" and "sisters" from within the tribe you came from.....jus saying
Adelphos doesn't mean what your pastor told you it means. The Septuagint calls Lot and Abraham adelphos. It also calls Laban and Jacob adelphos. Neither pairing were even of the same generation 😂
Judgement Day we will know all 100% truth! Catholic's way of belief in somethings seems it has to be true.
Just because many people believe a thing doesn't make it true. The Earth is not flat, the Moon is not made of cheese. There is no tooth fairy or Santa Claus, & the Catholic Church is not infallible.
All these opinions are just opinions outside of scripture, its amazing all the teachings of the catholic church on Mary being sinless, ever virgin, are opinions outside of scripture, or tradition of the church which they hold on same or even higher level than scripture, scripture teaches were all sinners, but catholic church teaches Mary was sinless which is a corrupt teaching, they teach that Mary was ever virgin when scripture clearly states that Mary had other children, that jesus had brothers and sisters, there is clear distinctions in scripture between brothers and relatives, and cousins, its says brothers for one reason because they were jesus brothers, if they were cousins or close relatives scripture would have recorded it , these people are obsessed with the dogmas of Mary, Mary was blessed without question, but that's it , she was chosen by God to bear His son, but thats all, the gospel is all about christ jesus and the redemption of sinners, All the glory goes to the Godhead in the plan of salvation, christ is our mediator our advocate, He alone died for us , the catholic church takes the glory away from the Godhead with false and corrupt teachings on Mary and so called saints, its blasphemy, they deceive themselves and deceive there followers, only God can hear prayers, God's attributes are His alone, God shares His glory with no one, stick to the devine word of the Almighty God,
Hey the scripture doesn’t say God is a trinity directly, how can we be sure he’s Triune?? Who has the authority to define that belief?? Muslims and Mormons make this argument all the time that it’s not scriptural…..do you agree?
The Bible doesn’t tell us to pray directly to Jesus!! Surely you don’t object to praying to Jesus?!
Christ didn’t leave us with a book, he left us with a church with the authority to compile canon, settle disputes, and define doctrine. If you’ve got a problem with it you stand in opposition to almost 2000 years of Church teaching
Yes it doesn't say the word trinity, but scripture reveals three different persons, Father, Son. Holy Spirit, as for praying, scripture never says to pray to Mary or saints, but I can tell you that we direct our prayers to the one true God , last time I remember jesus is God in human flesh, scripture is our authority, not catholic church,
@@garyholian3552 if scripture is your authority where did scripture come from? Who decided what would be scripture? It didn’t float down from a cloud in English with a bow on it did it? Who put it together?
What authority did they have to declare scripture to be scripture, which you claim is your sole authority
Sola Scriptura is not in Scripture. It's a modern invention. Early Christians knew the language and culture - and said Mary had no other children.
We know Abraham and Lot were not even the same generation, yet the Bible calls them adelphos.
“ἀκούσας δὲ Αβραμ ὅτι ᾐχμαλώτευται Λωτ ὁ *ἀδελφὸς* αὐτοῦ ἠρίθμησεν τοὺς ἰδίους οἰκογενεῖς αὐτοῦ τριακοσίους δέκα καὶ ὀκτώ καὶ κατεδίωξεν ὀπίσω αὐτῶν ἕως Δαν” (Gen 14:14, LXX)
Same with Laban and Jacob.
“ἐγένετο δὲ ὡς εἶδεν Ιακωβ τὴν Ραχηλ θυγατέρα Λαβαν ἀδελφοῦ τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ καὶ τὰ πρόβατα Λαβαν ἀδελφοῦ τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ καὶ προσελθὼν Ιακωβ ἀπεκύλισεν τὸν λίθον ἀπὸ τοῦ στόματος τοῦ φρέατος καὶ ἐπότισεν τὰ πρόβατα Λαβαν τοῦ *ἀδελφοῦ* τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ” (Gen 29:10, LXX)
Adelphos doesn't mean what you want to shoehorn it to mean. Stop torturing the Bible.
Jesus keeps sending the Most Holy Blessed Mother and Most Chaste and Pure Saint Joseph back to earth to tell us over and over again that they are perpetual virgins.
King of Glory Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ, please have mercy on us. Most Holy Blessed Mother Mary, and Most Chaste and Pure Saint Joseph, please pray for us. 🙏
Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mary, I bless thy holy Name. I praise thine exalted privilege of being truly Mother of God, ever Virgin, conceived without stain of sin, Co-Redemptrix of the human race. Amen.
It has been my understanding the question was a matter of Christ assigning John to be her caretaker at the foot of the cross. It was Joseph's family that took them to Bethlehem and it was estimated they were there for some time before being forced to flee to Egypt...I presumed his family there would have formed tribal closeness but not enough to assume Mary's care when Joseph was gone. Even a step child could have been required, I would think. My understanding is that there was no word for cousin commonly used in Aramaic.
You’d be correct that there isn’t a differentiating word for cousins and siblings in Aramaic. However the New Testament is written in Greek, a language that does have a different word for the two. And under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit the word used was Brother.
This alone isn’t conclusive, but along with many other factors of the mentions of Christ's brothers. I think the conclusive evidence is that they were children born of Mary. The perpetual virginity view honestly holds no weight from the most plain reading of scripture. It feels far more like eisegesis from the influence of Satan.
Pray to YESHUA and Miriam in Theb Language of Yeshua ruclips.net/video/NeveK6rmx_Q/видео.html
I would really like to have a conversation with you sometime. You're probably really busy & if you can't make time for it I totally understand.