How to DIY Fit a Staircase
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- How to DIY fit a staircase - step by step from ordering online to installing in our garage loft conversion.
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0:00 Introduction
0:18 Background
2:43 Stairwell Prep
3:55 Dry Assembly
6:13 Notching Newell Post
7:10 Winder Turns
8:59 The Final Flight
9:18 Wedges & Angle Blocks
10:56 Hand Rails & Balustrades
14:59 Newel Caps & Pine Plugs
15:25 Hardwax Oil
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Watching this, I'm really glad I paid for a local carpenter company to both build and install my one winder plus a 1/4 landing further up my two bend staircase. Another way to save pennies is not to have Newells or spindles on the first 3 steps (building regs approved). My stairs are in the dining room, and look better without, it has a bullnose on the bottom step just to round the corners to take up less space, so we don't fall over the bottom step corner coming out of the kitchen. I had to fit mine into a 6ft 6in wide space between 2 doorways, and I used the free CAD system from Pearstairs in Wales. It took me 3 days to design to the right size complying with building regs. As you design it, the system also tells you how much it is now costing, so you can play about with sizes/styles and wood types and see how it affects costs at every stage, brilliant system, thank you Pearstairs. My bottom sections are 70cm wide, then after the 1/4 landing the last few steps are 85cm in order to reach the support wall the other side of the doorway restricting me to the 6ft 6in space. I also now have a wonderfully capacious understairs cupboard, with tall door at one end for coats, and a mini door under the winder for boots and shoes. Perfect.
Sounds like a lovely job. Great work and thanks for sharing. 👌
You really do set the standard in DIY! Amazing what you can do with time and patience WOW😊
Excellent Charlie,
These online stair suppliers are excellent value for money that does the job it’s supposed to.
I’ve been making staircases for decades and done hundreds all shapes and sizes.
These online CNC made stairs do them in a fraction of the time it takes me to make one the traditional way.
I find myself now making very few of them nowadays.
The most popular video on my RUclips channel is me doing a tutorial on how I make these Double Winding Staircases.
It’s becoming a lost art 😄
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing your completed project 👍🔨📐😄
Thanks Gary and that's incredibly magnanimous of you not to be resentful of what they're doing. I have so much respect for your skill and expertise in making these yourself.
Excellent install Charlie. Stairs are not for the faint hearted but this package looks very thorough and you installed it to perfection. 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks Paul. The trickiest bit was filming it and putting the video together. Slows down the job SO MUCH!
@@CharlieDIYte ….ah, but we’re so glad you did!
Nice job, plenty of attention when measuring up for a new staircase. vital for a good result. You nailed it
Myself I would of notched the staircase. Solid timber on timber . We'll done that's an awesome space now . Defo added value to your property 👍
Hi Charlie Very impressive, these companies have really got things sorted with design and fit and finish . Building a straight staircase is possible, but once you get into charge of directions the maths involved become mind boggling . So using a ready made staircase is definitely the best way to go. Looking forward to the next update on your kitchen project . Best wishes and kind regards 😀👍👍👍
Completely agree and maths is not my strong point as you saw with the ballustrade spacings 😉 Couldn't believe how quickly it arrived too. You'd be waiting months for a bespoke build from a one man band. Thanks. The next update won't be long. I've just been a bit of a muppet with the whole kitchen project. We've decided we want to square off the corner to create more space and will need planning for that so we're on a bit of a go slow right now, but plenty to be getting on with. 👊
Brilliant job Charlie! As a joiner I was always taught to notch the newel posts however that seams like it’s going nowhere.. grand job as always mate keep it up 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks Jamie, really appreciate that. Yes should have notched the newel but as you say, strength wise it's fine. 👊
great work again charlie !
Love watching your videos!!
Thanks Kim - really appreciate you watching them. 👊
That looks a straight forward piece of kit, or maybe a decent joiner for a mate made it look simple. Brilliant.
A bit of both. It's simple to put together if you follow the instructions. 👍
I have used stairbox before. Followed all the ordering boxes. Last job was a put together kit form due to space constraints. Assembled all ok. Will be using again
Good to hear Ian, thanks 👊
Ohh wow what a nice stair case if you are not professional and it helps to design your own one. Very informative video as always thank you for sharing 😊 looking forward for new videos 😊
Thanks 👊
Great insight. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, appreciate the comment 👊
Good to see you had a satisfactory experience with Stairbox. And they look fantastic!
They made a set for my loft extension and it was an unmitigated disaster! Too tall, too long, too many treads (hence too high), wrong hand & base rail, and turned up nearly two weeks late (surprisingly a couple of doors down the road had one delivered at the same time, so guess they just made me wait). The risers are mdf with the thinest veneer as you mentioned, however I specifically asked for solid pine like the rest of the stairs, which they agreed to and then didn't do. Trying to talk to them has been just a joke, thankfully I had a good carpenter and several days later (and a lot of cost) they have been forced into place. Will never be using them again.
surely all those details are in the order ?
@@DICEGEORGE You'd think, they were sent the exact dimensions and nothing changed while we waited the couple of weeks for them to be made. That they sent spindles yet hand and base rail for glass and how different it was would indicate that it was half mine and half someone else's.
looks great! looks like stairbox put together a good product.
Yes I was impressed with the quality. Thanks 👊
Literally just about buy from Stairbox, great timing.
You'll love it Rowland, and a really nice company to deal with.
Would appreciate a video on all your online resources that you find useful.
Excellent, loads of useful info here Charlie, and the product looks great, must check out that glue and glue gun !
Thanks. Yes I've updated the links for the glue gun.
Great video.
Thanks 👊
Nice work on the stair case Charlie! Thanks for sharing the video with us!👍💖😎JP
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment 👊
@@CharlieDIYte 😎
Another good one!😀
Thanks Kathleen 🙏
Great video... thanks
Thanks 👊
Thanks for the video, fantastic work =)
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment 👊
Lovely job Charlie, the staircase looked to be a do-able job for a competent DIYer. I’ve got to put a new staircase in myself later this year so I’ll look at this company.
One improvement suggestion, to reinforce the joint at the back of the treads to the riser. The construction looked very similar to our staircase at home with the joint being made primarily by three screws driven into the end grain of the riser. Probably won’t happen for a while but with time those joints can fail as the screws pull through the bottom of the tread as you step/run up the stairs. We ended up with saggy stairs and they were very hard to repair as the stairs were all boxed in. At least you can get to the underneath but I think it’s still a weak point
Thanks Geoffrey. Yes I know what you mean. The treads are a decent thickness though and glued so hopefully this won't happen but will need to keep an eye on it as you say.
great job.
Thanks Tahir. Good to hear from you 👊
Jesus, Charlie, that is some DIY job. Fair play.
Thanks Luke, appreciate you watching it 👊
Used stair box, very good product
I agree 👍
Nice staircase and job well done putting it up and making it nice but ....
...wouldn't be easier to finish that wall behind it, before you put the staircase in ?
Anyways, good to see/hear from you and thanks for sharing !
Jobs a good en. Great vid. Regards Mike
Thanks Mike 👊
Well done Charlie, great job as always. Would be good to be mindful of material choices and try and avoid single use where you can.
Good point 👊
Great job. You must be very pleased with how it looks. Nice video!
Thanks. Yes really chuffed with it. 👊
Looks Good Charlie !! 😊😊😊😊😊😇😇😇😇😇
Thanks 👊
That's a tidy job, well done. I've been debating using the same company to supply a staircase to replace an existing one, inverting the ascent such that I can enlarge an upstairs room. Your video makes this look doable - mine would be less complex.
What I didn't see or perhaps missed was how the staircase was fastened to the floor ? I was expecting it perhaps to be bedded in to the concrete or some sort of metal fixing ?
Good advice to work top down too.
Thanks. It's not fixed into the floor Chris. It doesn't need to be as it's never going to move.
How much was it in the end? Thanks Charlie
I have to say Charlie that when I saw this video in my feed at first, I thought that you were a Liberace video, lol. You so looked like him on the still video pic 😊
I see what you mean 🤣🤦
@@CharlieDIYtealso just wanted to see thanks for your render and Emperor paint videos. My partner and I have watched them so many times and are about to start the project very soon on our bungalow that has stone chip render and looks so old fashioned, so excited!
This might be a be a bit beyond DIY i think... great job
Cant understand why you'd install this before deciding on a permanent design for the interior walls/insulation but it's up to you mate. Congrats on doing it though.
Thanks. It'll be a few years before we start thinking about that, and I could unscrew from the trimmer if needs be. In the meantime the priority was to have a sturdy staircase to access the loft with.
Looks great! But isn't it going to be a nightmare to install the wall lining to the walls behind the staircase now?
That's future Charlie's problem! It'll be a nuisances for sure but probably only take an extra hour maximum than it normally would. Small sacrifice, especially if he might not ever even need to do it.
I have a soft wood stair rail that is getting just over ten years since installation and the pine was filled before stain/varnish application. The problem I have is that the wood has darkened and the filler has not, leaving a poor finish with all the filler visible. Trying to sand this down leaves a fresh lighter colour of the filler... What would you recommend to get this to a uniform colour?
I would possibly consider staining and oiling with the Treatex but it depends what colour the rail was originally. This will only work if it was reasonably dark.
Hi Charlie I know you are a Ryobi tools aficionado. I saw you using a battery powered saw. Is it a track saw and if so can you give me the model and where you purchased it as I can only find one on the Ryobi website in the USA. Thanks
Fischer price tools. Bin worthy
D4 wood glue is the best for holding the stairs together but gorilla glue will work fine
Thanks. Yes must get some more D4. I just happened to have a pot of Gorilla handy. 👍
What are you planning on doing with the ground floor? If you ever tile it you will have an odd feel on the last step down the staircase to the ground floor
It won't be tiled. If I'm ever able to clear it out such that it will fit a car that will be a major achievement 😉
How is the Ryobi track? I use a DIY track with mine but how is the proper one?
It's pretty decent for short cuts like this but only fits this HP saw and is very hard to get hold of. It wouldn't be consistent enough for full sheet rip downs. They missed a trick as they should have made the saw compatible with aluminium tracks. You really want a plunge saw and aluminium tracks if you're cutting a lot of MDF - as I found on my wardrobe project - not least for the superior dust extraction.
@@CharlieDIYte Thanks 👍🏻
What’s the best way to finish the underneath part of the stairs? I’ve always wondered…
Probably a thin piece of birch ply or similar, screwed carefully to the treads.
how did you plaster/paint the wall?
I haven't yet but there's room to do so if I need to
Sizing up mine and using the Stairbox online builder. Knowing what you know now would you have done without the carpenter and just using help for lifting🤔
Yes, now I know how it goes together I probably wouldn't need John's help except as you say for the lifting and perhaps when screwing in the winder treads.
I'm planning a straight staircase as a stanna stairlift will be easier and cheaper if my legs pack in (old dancing injury from my punk days)
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Another video on terminology please?
I should have put an image in with all the terms.. 🤦
Where do you get the time from? Just baffles me.
RUclips is his job now I thought
It is. Hard to make time even so. We're a slightly workaholic lot us RUclipsrs 🤦
Doing this full time John. It's a pretty incessant work load though. 👊
@@CharlieDIYte ah right. I feel less inadequate as a DIY-er now 😉👍. Thanks.
You've now created a habitable room over a garage, which requires BRegs approval
Yep, will be applying for building regs, which is why I wanted the staircase to be compliant.
Would it have been possible to get a platform and a 90° turn instead of the winder turn?
I don't like winder turns as it's very easy to misjudge them a d slip by stepping too close to the inside and not getting your foot firmly on the step.
It's happened to me more than once and I've seen it happen to many others too.
Even if you don't slip, it's a headache to be careful about it.
I'm considering replacing a 180° turn with two 90° winders (6 steps), as it saves floor space very significantly. I've personally not seen anyone affected by it, and I am wondering how widespread this issue is.
You might be able to steam that dent out of the handrail.
Good thinking Paul. Thanks, I'll try that. 👊
Fantastic job but thats an awful lot of space used.... I would rather just use a ladder or install a DIY Lift using a winch/crane theyre usually more than strong enough to lift a person and a platform
Would a fully winded staircase be a good idea to save space (each step at a 30° angle)? Or use one of those old school metal spiral stairs?
You notch the newel so that it's sat firmly on the trimmer and also landing baserail and handrail are center to the newel. You now have to build out on the trimmer to achieve this
Exactly 👍