I'm so happy to have found your channel. Its a relief to find someone from England who understands our local DIY products and can point people towards the better products and most useful DIY methods and additionally also give such in depth explanations on how and why to do things in certain ways. A Great job - please do keep it up!
And what a joy, not having to sit through minutes of 'what's up guys blah blah, look at what a character i am' type crap, before getting any useful advice!
Thanks Charlie. Went ahead and bought the ProGold 2-4ft extension pole and rollers. All worked great and very reasonably priced at my Johnstone’s Decorators Centre.
Charlie: I just wanted to give you a major shout out for a truly impressive video lecture. Beautiful production, great lighting, great sound, impeccable, thorough analysis, and a totally comprehensive discussion at a perfect pace. The video says so much about you as an artist and true craftsman. Thank you for making my day! Stay safe.
Hi Ron, can't thank you enough for that. It's a real boost to receive compliments like that as this one was a complete beast to put together. I'm still struggling with new audio hardware and had to adjust the audio in each segment, and am gradually getting to grips with a camcorder I've had for a few months (got into trouble with the wife for buying) and am now starting to see the benefits of. The funny thing about professional grade gadgetry is that you can't just bung it into automatic like you can with my good old consumer stuff. They expect everything to be tuned in manual mode, which isn't always straightforward when you're in front of the camera rather than behind it. Anyway, thanks again. I honestly don't think this would be worthwhile if I was just filming into a vacuum with none of the wonderful encouragement that you and others taking precious time out of their days to deliver. 👍👏
You might not know a lot about DIY but it doesn't mean you not any good at it. You just need to have a go, and with the right tools and a bit of research you'll be flying in no time 👍🏻
I applied two coats of bare plaster paint to the lounge ceiling it looked so good we never bothered overpainting it with anything else. 5 years later the ceiling still looks pristine and hasn’t peeled at all. 👍🏻
oh Im so happy to also have found this channel, watched so many more but they leave out the crucial details that make the difference and leave you still feeling lost, thank you for the time you have taken, feel so much more confident.
I always tell my customers To water down the first coat of paint before I leave a job. They don’t listen... 4/5 days later I’ve a phone call paints peeling... did you water it down? No... well then there’s your answer. Great video more home owners need to watch this video!
Tried thinning down my paint by 40% and it worked like a charm. Recommended this and Charlie's video to others and boy did I get flamed! I don't care though because my ceilings look great and I haven't even started on the top coats yet. The only thing I'd add is that be really careful with how much you put in your paint bucket because if you can't roll off the excess you will get splattered. Yes I was warned, no I didn't listen and that's how I got covered in splatter. Oh & remember your safety glasses people!
I always go 50/50 for the mist coat too - worked for me over 20 years or so. I'm convinced they only tell you to go for 10-20% to sell more paint. Anyway, awesome vid as always - I've posted a pic on the community tab of my channel showing the consequences of not doing a mist coat and I've linked to this vid from there. Splendid stuff - hope you and yours are well and staying safe Charlie! 👍😷👊
Thanks so much buddy. Marvelled at your workshop strip down last night. Where are you moving to? Something that needs a bit of work? Terrible luck with the pandemic delaying things. It's extraordinary how quickly it crept up on us. Fingers crossed you get the wheels in motion on it asap.
@@CharlieDIYte cheers bud! Yeah, we've always done renovations over the years but have spent the last 7 ish years in a new build while the kids were young. Itching for another renovation project now! 😁👍
Guys, I've just had my living room plastered. I bought magnolia paint from wicks for the walls. Do I need to water down this paint for a mist coat it or do I mist coat with white Matt emulsion first, then apply the magnolia for the 2nd coat?
Hope you all find this video useful. Johnstone's have, since I started filming this video obviously shut their doors as part of the nationwide isolation measures to tackle the spread of this virus, but lets all keep our fingers crossed that things return to a semblance of normality as soon as possible.
I wish I had seen this video two days ago we have had a room plastered we let it fully dry watered our silk emulsion down 20 percent water 3 days later all around the ceiling you could peel the paint off in some places its peeled off up to 8inch and others an inch so we have done the filler method that you did in your bathroom up to now the filler part has leveled the paint edge up getting ready to paint it next 🥺
@@orbitalforest I wish I knew that before hand what an absolute swine it was I'm going to rub the walls down Wednesday that was done with silk as well any suggestions what to put on top of the rubbed down walls it was suggested to use a watered down mat undercoat thought that was just for wood
@@markandrews8437 Steam stripper will soften the silk in stubborn areas and you should be able to pull and scrape it off. Messy job though. I recommend a coat of Zinsser Gardz when you've got as much as possible off. They probably meant Acrylic primer undercoat , that's ok to use as long as you do thin it down .
Your channel has been invaluable to me as someone fixing up my first home. Do you ever wonder how many millions of euros you have saved people with your diy advice ?
Thanks mate. It's pretty humbling thinking about that! The whole DIY landscape has changed massively since I started doing these videos. I think as boosters have tightened a lot more people are doing DIY than they used to. Unfortunately there are a lot more people on RUclips doing what I do but hey, nothing I can do about that 😉👊
what a relief to find someone who know the job, excellent video and a real insight on not just painting but about the equipments which actually was a real pain to find.Thankyou
Professional Video! For sanding plaster I've been using mesh rather that sand paper for several years to avoid sanding marks. The mesh comes in various grades and the finish is excellent. Excellent DIY tips, keep up the good work!
@@thomassmith3711 I used 2 coats for the kitchen as we liked the colour so we didn't feel the need to paint again. However in the bathroom we used 1 coat on the plaster and then painted over it with a Dulux trade paint. It works well as a primer and normal paint but it only comes in white. You may find that brush painting is a little off as we did have to go over the edges and corners again with a normal trade paint but for larger wall areas it works really well with a foam/brush roller.
I did some labouring for a builder friend on a shop renovation, something I had never done before and I learnt so much from him over 4 weeks. I followed his instructions for mist coating and they are identical to what you did. I was surprised at how little mess I made, which is very unusual for me, and like you said the finish at first looked patchy but dried perfectly.
The No Nonsense Bare Plaster Paint is one of the few products I would highly reccomended. It can be used on still drying plaster as it let's the walls breathe and has a really good finish. To be fair there's plenty of walls in my house (and previous) that we just left with the plaster paint as the finish as it is so good.
For a diy painter, you are better than some professional painters I am a decorator and only came across this vlog searching for advice on farrow and ball paint and application on bare plaster. You describe everything to the letter and as a Johnstones product user, I agree with everything you mentioned The only thing I would add, get some decorators whites, to save getting covered in paint and if painting large ceilings, water down second and sometimes the third coat in a lesser percentage Flashing on a large ceiling is a nightmare Top job I would definitely recommend this video to anyone who is classed as a diyer
Bryan, can't thank you enough for that contribution, and I could have done with watering down the second ceiling coat. I painted this room in Johnstone's Flat Matt, which helpfully they discontinued pretty much as soon as I walked out of the shop - I thought they could have told me that before I bought it!! They've brought out a new one which is much easier to spot paint, apparently. I've always got a massive amount of respect for professional decorators, or any professionals actually whose default position isn't to tear into people like me! It's normally a good indicator of the quality and professionalism of their own work - and I'm sure that goes for you, too! Thanks again 👍
Just had a weekend painting several rooms of new plaster at my son’s house. Your recommendation to invest in the professional roller, extension and 15L container were a godsend. I am very grateful to have spotted your video and for the advice. Thanks you.
G'day Charlie. We prime the roller with a bit of water, spin the excess water out then into the paint. It gives a better paint uptake especially on new rollers. As always, love your presentation of the basics of DIY. Regards to your family and please take care in these troubling times. Love the beam!
Hi Andy. Thanks for that. Yes the beam is great, although I wish I'd raised the ceiling now to reveal more of it. A new roof was built over the original in the '70s so I could have revealed the whole lot and put a couple of dormers in to get more light into the room. Hey ho, you live and learn! You take care too mate. We'll get through this!!
Painted new plaster for the first time yesterday and went with the manufacture recommend dilution firstly for the list coat, well you’d think I’d never touched the wall ! Then diluted more to your spec and hey what a difference, your method 10 times better Charlie, more water is the way forward. Cheers pal 👍
New to this channel but it's been a godsend as currently doing our kitchen up from scratch and wanted to do most of the jobs ourselves. Really learning a thing or two from these videos 👍
Hi I have used paint from a decorator centre for a few years now and as you say the quality is far better. I don't thin down put matt emulsion straight onto a plastered wall and never had a problem. Thank you for taking the time to make video's.
Wonderfully presented video and incredibly detailed, without being too lengthy or overbearing. Looking forward to painting our newly plastered ceilings in a couple of weeks, will certainly be using this video religiously as my guide 🙏 Thank you in advance Charlie!
Thank you Charlie, complete DIY newbie, left overwhelmed and frightened after air flow heating system fitted and landlord refusing to repaint my house after all external walls in every room insulated. Watching your video has calmed be down and given me some hope that I might be able to get my home back.
I know how you feel and actually I'm in a similar situation at the moment with the house refurb. The trick is to write down all the jobs you need to do and divide them up into small manageable chunks rather than looking at everything as a whole. You can then take it one day or weekend at a time and gradually knock off each task - which you'll find very satisfying to complete. Good luck 👊
Great channel Charlie, plenty of useful advice and tips. I use old empty plastic 4 or 6 pint milk containers to store my 50/50 mix of mist coat paint between jobs. Careful not to confuse it with the milk for the TEA! I also use a plastic bag liner in my paint kettles, saves on clean up time.
Just wanted to say thanks for this, if i hadnt watched i would of ruined everything with the velspar paint i had picked up, checked the back, do not water down.... Life saver!
You're welcome my friend. I nearly did the same, having bought the same Valspar intending to water it down like I had always done with Armstead before that. Luckily someone commented below my previous mist coat video complaining they'd done just that, so we both owe him a beer!
Aw, thanks xx A few people are saying this at the moment. I'm amused that things are moving on from Gordan Ramsay to Keith Floyd. What is it about me and chefs, and does that mean I'm ageing gracefully? 👏😂🙏
@@CharlieDIYte like a fine wine Keith..I mean, Charlie!! I definitely need this video today.. I've a nightmare of a bathroom to do. Walls and ceiling paint flakes right off as soon as paint touches it. So sanding it all to get the flakey bits off then going to mist it following your video.. thanks in advance 😁
Again, another useful video with worked examples. Channels such as yours and Skill Builder have shown that thinking through tasks, testing and measuring (like your silicone application video) will yield the very best results. Unlike far too many in the building and decorating trades you have shown that good durable finishes and outcomes are not the result of luck and speed. Keep up the good work.
Hey Charlie nother great video. I'm not professional but have painted probably 10 times over plaster. I converted our garage into a reiki studio for my wife were I did everything including all the plastering so I am a very competent DIYer. ( I also work for B&Q so the discount on is handy!) Anyway totally agree I made the mistake using a vinyl emulation once and it pealed off within a month. And I always use a contact at the moment leyland and always water it down nearer to 40% water.
Finally! Someone who knows what he’s on about...As a plasterer and painter lm amazed by the number of people who condone the use of PVA as a sealer n new plaster before applying paint. Good advice given on this video.😉👍
Cheers Charlie, this info will save me a few quid on the second half of my current decorating jobs around the house. Really appreciate the time & effort gone into your videos, keep up the good work.
Always mist coat. My 4 year old house now has patches all over where original painter put 1st coat on too thick \ used unthinable emulsion. Fun times for me. Cheers Charlie.
Sorry to hear that buddy. A bit like where my builder didn't scratch coat the render before plastering and I've got loads of live areas to have fun with!!
@@CharlieDIYte I'm following your tip of skimming with filler after misting the patches to level out the finish. Happy wife = happy life ;) Good luck with your repairs.
Celyn Jones. You have a hellish job ahead of you. Soak the wall and scrape away as much as you can. Then either feather the edges with a sander on larger areas or use a filler on small areas. When the wall is as smooth as you can get it or are happy with, then apply the mist coat. Check its smooth, apply a thicker mist coat, and if you are happy proceed to top / finish coat. Good luck.
Late to the party but what an excellent video, exactly the information I was needing as our whole house has just been newly plastered. You have a new subscriber, well deserved.
Thanks for this. I do the same as you and have been nagged something awful over the past couple of weeks that I'm doing it wrong by my wife & her sister. All mist coats finished now so I suppose I can get on with doing the top coats wrong as well. Jim
One tip I’ve learned the hard way is make sure you do your mist coat before applying decorators caulk. I’ve had caulk just peeling off after a year otherwise
I can only imagine how long it took to produce this video, so thanks for taking the time to make it. 👍 quick question, what type of roller do you use for final/top coat? I’ve always used a medium pile.
Thanks Dave. Good question. I'll be using that roller with the diagonal black stripe that you saw at 11.23 mins into the video. It produces a lovely texture.
Huge support from the UK too from me. We do have different needs and tolerances it seems. Thanks for clear, informative succinct advice that I will now go and use.
I used the No Nonsense paint for my bedroom ceiling. I was dubious but it's great stuff and I'll be using it going forward. You can water it down too, if you want to. I did 2 coats of it and left it so for me it worked out more efficient than doing a mist coat then 2 coats of another paint.
Thanks so much for your videos, I'm finding them so helpful. In the process of decorating for the first time, so it's all new to me and can feel quite overwhelming. Have just mist painted some new plaster on ceiling. Should I do another mist coat or onto normal paint now?! Huge thanks again. Ellie
Hi Ellie. You're very welcome - thanks for watching my vids 👍👏 No, if you've done one mist coat as I directed, once it's dry you can just proceed with the top coat.
Used the Screwfix bare plaster paint for the first last week and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was to be honest , went on nicely and very good opacity so a nice solid basecoat , i put some coving up the next day and where i wiped down the excess coving adhesive off the walls & ceiling with a damp sponge it didn't wipe any of the plaster paint off at all , sometimes a slightly powdery mistcoat will wash off if trying to do the same thing. Big thumbs up from me.
I've watched so many of your vids Charlie. You really are down to Earth and comprehensive. Keep doing what you do and don't change your style even if you become a RUclips millionaire ✌️ Much of what you talked about in this vid especially the roller sleeve sliding off I still experience to this day as a novice DIYer myself.
I will give you top marks for this video. as a pro time served decorator since 1971 the amount of problems I have had to sort out simply because they haven't thinned the paint on the first coat. there is no sweet spot on the amount of thinning. it depends on the paint you are using. we normally use dulux trade paint which is usually thicker than diy paints. just add enough to get it to the way you had it
Thanks so much Raymond. Receiving a positive endorsement from a pro is very humbling and also speaks fathoms about you as it's so easy for pro decorators to criticise us DIYers (and I've had my fair share of that in the past). My motto is basically as much water as you can get away with but as you say it's something you just have to guage. I have to reluctantly say I was quite impressed with the performance of that Screwfix bare plaster paint. Don't know how it works though. It's now hidden behind the wardrobe so I'll never know it's long term performance. 👍
ive not used the screw fix one myself and its not really been on the market long enough to say if its good or bad and only someone that knows the plaster has been coated with this and redecorates it will know if its worked or not@@CharlieDIYte
Yes. That stuff I recommended in the video Easi-Fill. I did a recent video on it here ruclips.net/video/6Omsv5-NN9k/видео.html. You can get it in a 5kg box, with 1kg bags inside. Mix up a small amount and apply with a continental filler knife, scraping the excess off so you're leaving no excess on the surface except in the crack itself. Then a very light sand (may not even need to sand) with 180grit and paper and then touch up with your wall paint. If you're lucky you will just be able to spot paint the crack without having to do the whole wall. Links to the filler knife etc in the Description below the video linked above.
Your videos are are always informative on many construction issues but with this it's always best to do a mist coat before you do any sanding or filling as it stabilisers the walls and help prevent scarifying and shows up every place needing to be filled as it's easy to miss snots when the plaster is raw and 180grit is the only way to go when knocking down a filled mist,just my professional opinion from a dec with 32 years in the trade but apart from that very good videos mate👍
Always mist coat first this will then show any imperfections in plaster more predominantly once dry plaster patch imperfections rub down then apply top coats this is how the trade do it
i just painted a large extension with vaulted ceilings with the p bare plaster paint from screwfix. for a 5x5m extension with ceilings upto 4.3m (with a walkin wardrobe and ensuite within it) i used 2 full tubs and a third of another. but i was so impressed with the coverage and how flat the walls looked afterwards i was pleased i bought that. mist coating is tried and tested for years and clearly is cheaper but the screwfix stuff is excellent
@@mattsidebottom7603 why waste time with a mist coat ? i paint 6 or 7 days a week as a self employed decorator with 40 years behind me .Prepare the job and go straight on with Leylands super leytex white on ceilings or all the walls too ,any imperfections will show pretty quick .Use a fine powder filler just before the second coat etc .easier and faster to overfiller than sanding down bare plaster .Have all the windows open letting fresh air in and use blow dryers to speed it up ,all about speed and money and a completely different ball game to whats shown in these videos .
I once painted emulsion directly onto 1940's plaster on the inside of a cupboard, I thought I would get away with it there. The next day it was full of cracks (all in the same direction) and peeling up. That's why you mist coat!! Superb video.
you missed a bit.. hehehe just kidding. Love this video, thank you for your effort for making this for us. The music with the high speed is my fave part haha :)
Thankyou for taking the time to make this video. I know it takes a lot of work to make them. I’d been fed the PVA line too and it seemed counterintuitive to me too, sealing in moisture. Glad I found your video - another subscriber to your channel here 😎
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Great tips Charlie. Question. I will be painting bare plaster walls shortly. I used the product "MAKE GOOD JOINT FILLER " that doesn't require taping on a small section of plasterboard that wasn't freshly plastered. The instructions say to use a primer on the joints before painting. Would this be PVA primer or thinned out emulsion??
@@imabeliever3 that make good stuff is awful!! I gave it a coat of zinseer 123 before painting. The difference with that stuff is that you use it for tape and jointing and not skimming. That means you would have fresh plasterboard which I wouldnt mist coat as the high water content would cause the cardboard cover to go weird.
@@imabeliever3 I'm sorry, I missed this comment - sometimes they don't show in my feed, particularly if they're replies to existing comments rather than new ones. Did you sort this in the end?
How come your plaster is brown ? What a struggle. We plaster with white plaster here , and that is so white , it hardly needs paint. But we paint it anyway with Histor or Flexa *Monodek* , (local brands) one or two times, great stuf (always use these brands, DIY own brand , sucks) Always on special offer at all our DIY shop at around 32 euro for 10 liter or 10+2 Regular roller, no fancy stuff. Always work, also in my garage boxes without heating, lasts for ages. And when there is too much to do, I borrow a pro spray machine from a friend or let him do it hehehehe.
RS - I live in the UK and always think the same especially after working on construction sites in Belgium where all the plaster there is white. So much easier.
Coming from a country that mostly paints there homes, I have been very frustrated & confused with the paint quality in the uk but now watching ur video, I get it & appreciate ur video. With so much competition & choice it’s enough to drive one mad, too many T&C which allows sellers to distort the truth, bunch of criminals. Thanks for the information which I hope will help me IF I take on another project ✝️
You're welcome Helen. Yes it's a confusing landscape to navigate. I mean, I bought a 5 litre tub of Valspar to mist coat with, and wouldn't have read the label if someone hadn't alerted me to the problem of you not being able to water it down, in the comments.
Sprey the top coat yes but the mist coat still needs rollering off or it won't key in. So might as well roller the mist, only benefit to sprey the mist is speed of application but it can dry so quick, you either need someone following you to roller it or down the spreyer and pick up the roller every 10 minutes.
What a brilliant video and thank you so much for your advice. I have a plasterer who is going to skim my small house top to bottom. After he has finished I'm g to try the painting of the walls myself. I've never tried it before. Cheers again and I've subscribed.
Brilliant presentation, thank you, learned a lot about fresh plaster. Done lots of painting but rarely new plaster. I painted a wall a short while ago where the original paint was inclined to lift off while i was rollering the new coat which didn`t make much sense to me but having watched this presentation i would gleen that the paint i was covering over was most likely rolled on in a non thinned condition or maybe not thinned enough or maybe a non thinned vinyl paint. 😊
Perfect video. I wanted to ask, how you prepare a wall to paint that already has paint on it. With elements of fresh plaster around it ? Unsure how to do deal with it. Giving me loads of headaches. And how do you prepare a painted wall (water based) ready to be painted over ? Thank you as always!!😊
Good video Charlie especially your comments regarding PVA. My dad taught me to plaster. I used to go to work with him in my school holidays and worked with him off an on ever since till he retired. He is now 86yrs. He always advised to thin cheap paint down to seal fresh plaster, so I just do as I was taught. It just makes perfect sense
Hi Charlie, love your no nonsense approach to DIY, refreshing to hear tips to save and when to buy something of quality. please keep this up, its invaluable.
Hi Charlie. I watched the video last week and this morning tried it out on my freshly plastered bathroom. plaster was completely dry. I used 1L of trade white with 0.5L water. it went on great with a brush for the corners and a regular roller for the rest, went on well and gave a good coverage with both methods of application. the only small problem is that it dries almost instantly! there are a couple of imperfections that can be sorted out before the first full coat. Thanks for the video.
The bare plaster paint is brilliant, never have had a call back or even an issue. So much better than watering down emulsion. Also despite appearing thick in the tub, once it’s been mixed up it’s very wet, and covers me in splatters just as much as any mist coat I’ve mixed up. Only thing I’d recommend is doing opposing walls, i mini roll my internal angles and sometimes when you go against an opposing wet angle it’ll sometimes try and drag the paint off
At last, someone has explained exactly WHY vinyl paint should not be used as a mist coat. I've seen it said so many times but until now have not known why we shouldn't use it. Thanks Charlie. BTW, I just mix the water in by stirring with a brush, I can't be bothered fussing with a drill etc. It only takes a few seconds longer and is less likely to splash everywhere.
Great video! Just had hallway, landing, staircase & false ceiling skimmed & was feeling nervous about doing a mist coat. Not now though! Still undecided on whether to get the bare plaster paint or have a go at watering down, but will be making full use of the tools you've recommended
Glad to hear it! I was actually very impressed with the bare plaster paint. I guess it comes down to cost as it will be cheaper to mist coat. Just make sure you check the paint can be watered down. 👌👊
Thankyou for this video…it’s been most helpful even after all these years later than you made it! So female here, I have 6 fresh plaster ceilings to paint and I’m dreading it! But I feel abit for confident after watching this video.. I think 😂 After the mist coat how many ‘normal’ coats do I do on top? Thankyou in advance
Late to the party, but these videos have been extremely useful, thank you. One thing you may find interesting, I recently used a tack cloth just before painting, it was really efficient at removing dust and tiny particles and left the surface really clean and smooth. They’re commonly used by automotive panel sprayers. I paid less than £7 for 10 from Toolstation.
I'm really glad I found this video of painting on bare plaster. We're having our own house built and it's concrete based, not wood. Since paint jobs are so costly these days and it takes up a lot of days to finish up, we're thinking to do it by ourselves. What's your recommendation for a bare, newly concrete plastered walls and ceilings in terms of priming it and then finishing it off with a quality paint? We do have Dulux in our country, although it's a bit expensive but if it can be thinned down, I'll think about giving it a shot. We painted our previously owned house with a general primer and the retailer suggested to put in some acrylic with a bit of water too I think and then prime the walls with it, or like you said a bit misty like. We painted the whole house, inside by ourselves and I was so pleased with myself for doing such a good job (I even chiseled down a 1x1 to make 5 ft and 7 ft long wooden rods in replacement of the extendable ones, which aren't available here). Anyhow, I'd love to know what your suggestions are. The house isn't plastered yet, but I'm already thinking about doing the inside paint job ourselves. Very informative videos for people like myself, really appreciate the effort you put in these videos and letting us know what to buy or do and what not to. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks. I appreciate that 👍🏻 The important thing as I said in the video is to prime it either with a mist coat or with a bare plaster paint, and that bare plaster paint I used was actually pretty good. If you're going to water down a mist coat you have to make sure the paint can be watered down. I would go with a contract matt. I wouldn't mix acrylic in with it as the acrylic, like vinyl is an additive to make the top coat more durable. The base coat doesn't want these additives as they won't sink into the plaster.
@@CharlieDIYte Thanks for the heads up, I really appreciate it. I'll make sure to keep these important things in my mind when we embark on our painting the house expedition. Thanks to your videos I've now got a direction for my journey ahead. Also looking forward to any videos on oil paint, how to prime and paint metal surfaces. Thank you for taking out the time to write and enlightening me with good advice.
Charlie good video just wanted to say that in the past,here in the states it was always recommended to prime any new plaster with oil based primer because in some cases the plaster contained chicken poop which allowed for more working time with the plaster but it emits calcimine causing latex paint to peel after about 6 months not sure if this is an issue anymore with new plaster but it still is with older homes with plaster walls.
thats a good tip about some of the water based not being dilutable....... i mostly use johnstones q/dry but just looked at a massive extension so was looking at trade emulsion for that.
Yep, I didn't know myself until someone raised it in the Comments section, and funnily enough I had a big 10ltr tub of Valspar that I was planning to water down. Went straight back and returned it to B&Q!
Eclipse by McPhersons and Super Leytex is normally used for new plaster as well. I always thin down 1st coat apart from a job years ago someone wanted me to paint bare plaster will full emulsion I disapproved try explaining was listening until he backed off me. I also prefer using scuttle and 12 to 18 inch roller as opposed to 9 inch and flimsy trays. I love those Purdy 4 to 6 inch frames and sleeves
hi I used bare plaster paint excellent coverage but works out expensive if you have a lot to do . but 1 room saved me messing about mixing etc I was happy with great coverage
Great videos thank you. I watched your video on filling patches in paintwork and applied that method first to my wall (but many many patches- didn't feel confenough to re skim the whole wall level!). Then I used this method with the contract matt/ diluted mist coat and was really happy with the results as it bonded lovely and left a great base for painting. Thank you for clarifying the wildness of DIY advice! :)
The level of detail you go into is great, exactly all of the things I would be wanting to find out - and you condense it really nicely. Thanks very much. Learning a lot from your videos!
You're very welcome Jasmin. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. It's lovely to get feedback like this as I often worry that I'm going on for too long. 😏
Not at all, I’m a researcher by background and these are all of the things I’d be scouring the web to find out - and here you are kindly providing it for us. It also makes your advice more trustworthy as you’ve clearly done the hard prep work! Thanks again.
Great video and advice. I've used Dulx Supermatt thinned down on bare plaster and it worked a treat. For me, I like to cut in with a brush on the edges before using the roller. Like Charlie says, don't use DIY roller sleeves and gear, good kit is so much better.
I never realised we have a Johnstone's decorating centre only 6 miles away from me. All this time I never knew it was there. Never realised they actually had any. Surprised to see on their online store finder they're everywhere! It gets better; just found one for Dulux within a couple miles from the Johnstone's one as well. I think I'll be taking a drive later.
@@CharlieDIYte so I’ve hit a little stumble. I’ve put my first mist coat up and there is one small dark patch that has come through from the plaster. Now it’s been 2 weeks since the plaster was put on so can’t be wet still. Will wait until dry and see if another coat covers it.
I'm so happy to have found your channel. Its a relief to find someone from England who understands our local DIY products and can point people towards the better products and most useful DIY methods and additionally also give such in depth explanations on how and why to do things in certain ways. A Great job - please do keep it up!
Thanks so much for that, I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Fear not, I'll keep them coming 👍
I agree. The American guys use really wierd products and tools, but then none of their houses are over 200 years old eh? (Noobs!)
And what a joy, not having to sit through minutes of 'what's up guys blah blah, look at what a character i am' type crap, before getting any useful advice!
@Del Boy Do any of them run a youtube decorating channel?
Thanks Charlie. Went ahead and bought the ProGold 2-4ft extension pole and rollers. All worked great and very reasonably priced at my Johnstone’s Decorators Centre.
I’ve just spent nearly 20 minutes watching paint dry! And it’s been great...
Watching paint dry is quicker than watching a kettle boil.
Charlie: I just wanted to give you a major shout out for a truly impressive video lecture. Beautiful production, great lighting, great sound, impeccable, thorough analysis, and a totally comprehensive discussion at a perfect pace. The video says so much about you as an artist and true craftsman. Thank you for making my day! Stay safe.
Hi Ron, can't thank you enough for that. It's a real boost to receive compliments like that as this one was a complete beast to put together. I'm still struggling with new audio hardware and had to adjust the audio in each segment, and am gradually getting to grips with a camcorder I've had for a few months (got into trouble with the wife for buying) and am now starting to see the benefits of. The funny thing about professional grade gadgetry is that you can't just bung it into automatic like you can with my good old consumer stuff. They expect everything to be tuned in manual mode, which isn't always straightforward when you're in front of the camera rather than behind it. Anyway, thanks again. I honestly don't think this would be worthwhile if I was just filming into a vacuum with none of the wonderful encouragement that you and others taking precious time out of their days to deliver. 👍👏
As someone who knows absolutely nothing about DIY. I really appreciate the way you've explained this.
Perhaps there is hope for me yet!
You might not know a lot about DIY but it doesn't mean you not any good at it. You just need to have a go, and with the right tools and a bit of research you'll be flying in no time 👍🏻
I applied two coats of bare plaster paint to the lounge ceiling it looked so good we never bothered overpainting it with anything else. 5 years later the ceiling still looks pristine and hasn’t peeled at all. 👍🏻
Thanks Christopher. Yes I was very impressed with it too although it's now hidden behind the wardrobe. 😉👍
Good advise, what ever your painting it’s all about the preparation. 80% prep work and 20% actual painting.
You're definitely up there with the best of the DIY channels in terms of full explanation and production value mate!
oh Im so happy to also have found this channel, watched so many more but they leave out the crucial details that make the difference and leave you still feeling lost, thank you for the time you have taken, feel so much more confident.
Aw, thanks. It's great to have you on board 👊👌 Thanks so much for the comment.
I always tell my customers To water down the first coat of paint before I leave a job.
They don’t listen... 4/5 days later I’ve a phone call paints peeling...
did you water it down? No...
well then there’s your answer.
Great video more home owners need to watch this video!
Does it have to be contract?
Tried thinning down my paint by 40% and it worked like a charm. Recommended this and Charlie's video to others and boy did I get flamed! I don't care though because my ceilings look great and I haven't even started on the top coats yet. The only thing I'd add is that be really careful with how much you put in your paint bucket because if you can't roll off the excess you will get splattered. Yes I was warned, no I didn't listen and that's how I got covered in splatter. Oh & remember your safety glasses people!
Great video :) Can we have an update with a comparison of what happened to the walls after the final top coat was applied?
Yes, update please.
As a HandyMan Charlie, you certainly have taught me a lot having watched all your videos. Love them all.
I always go 50/50 for the mist coat too - worked for me over 20 years or so. I'm convinced they only tell you to go for 10-20% to sell more paint. Anyway, awesome vid as always - I've posted a pic on the community tab of my channel showing the consequences of not doing a mist coat and I've linked to this vid from there. Splendid stuff - hope you and yours are well and staying safe Charlie! 👍😷👊
Thanks so much buddy. Marvelled at your workshop strip down last night. Where are you moving to? Something that needs a bit of work? Terrible luck with the pandemic delaying things. It's extraordinary how quickly it crept up on us. Fingers crossed you get the wheels in motion on it asap.
@@CharlieDIYte cheers bud! Yeah, we've always done renovations over the years but have spent the last 7 ish years in a new build while the kids were young. Itching for another renovation project now! 😁👍
Guys, I've just had my living room plastered. I bought magnolia paint from wicks for the walls. Do I need to water down this paint for a mist coat it or do I mist coat with white Matt emulsion first, then apply the magnolia for the 2nd coat?
Thanks
Thanks so much Stephen. 👊
Hope you all find this video useful. Johnstone's have, since I started filming this video obviously shut their doors as part of the nationwide isolation measures to tackle the spread of this virus, but lets all keep our fingers crossed that things return to a semblance of normality as soon as possible.
I wish I had seen this video two days ago we have had a room plastered we let it fully dry watered our silk emulsion down 20 percent water 3 days later all around the ceiling you could peel the paint off in some places its peeled off up to 8inch and others an inch so we have done the filler method that you did in your bathroom up to now the filler part has leveled the paint edge up getting ready to paint it next 🥺
You're right - painters on our sites always thin it down around 50%
@@markandrews8437 Silk for mistcoat ! You'll have some problems with that mate.
@@orbitalforest I wish I knew that before hand what an absolute swine it was I'm going to rub the walls down Wednesday that was done with silk as well any suggestions what to put on top of the rubbed down walls it was suggested to use a watered down mat undercoat thought that was just for wood
@@markandrews8437 Steam stripper will soften the silk in stubborn areas and you should be able to pull and scrape it off. Messy job though. I recommend a coat of Zinsser Gardz when you've got as much as possible off. They probably meant Acrylic primer undercoat , that's ok to use as long as you do thin it down .
Your channel has been invaluable to me as someone fixing up my first home. Do you ever wonder how many millions of euros you have saved people with your diy advice ?
Thanks mate. It's pretty humbling thinking about that! The whole DIY landscape has changed massively since I started doing these videos. I think as boosters have tightened a lot more people are doing DIY than they used to. Unfortunately there are a lot more people on RUclips doing what I do but hey, nothing I can do about that 😉👊
Wish i could like this video more than once. You tackle the exact point of apprehension i have when starting a DiY project
what a relief to find someone who know the job, excellent video and a real insight on not just painting but about the equipments which actually was a real pain to find.Thankyou
Professional Video!
For sanding plaster I've been using mesh rather that sand paper for several years to avoid sanding marks. The mesh comes in various grades and the finish is excellent.
Excellent DIY tips, keep up the good work!
Also don't rub down or fill on bare plaster. Always after a mistt coat. Just get the plaster snots off with a scrape.
@@eddt430 Really? Why is that? Will the filler not take to the plaster?
Thank you Charlie. This is the best guide to applying a mist coat I've seen on youtube!
Thanks Paul - I appreciate that 👊
I’ve used The No Nonsense Bare Plaster paint for my kitchen about a year and a half ago. Well impressed by it and I can’t say enough about it!
Hi Chris, how many coats of the bare plaster paint did you apply? Thanks
@@thomassmith3711 I used 2 coats for the kitchen as we liked the colour so we didn't feel the need to paint again. However in the bathroom we used 1 coat on the plaster and then painted over it with a Dulux trade paint. It works well as a primer and normal paint but it only comes in white. You may find that brush painting is a little off as we did have to go over the edges and corners again with a normal trade paint but for larger wall areas it works really well with a foam/brush roller.
I did some labouring for a builder friend on a shop renovation, something I had never done before and I learnt so much from him over 4 weeks. I followed his instructions for mist coating and they are identical to what you did. I was surprised at how little mess I made, which is very unusual for me, and like you said the finish at first looked patchy but dried perfectly.
The No Nonsense Bare Plaster Paint is one of the few products I would highly reccomended. It can be used on still drying plaster as it let's the walls breathe and has a really good finish. To be fair there's plenty of walls in my house (and previous) that we just left with the plaster paint as the finish as it is so good.
Did you water the no nonsense bare plaster down?
For a diy painter, you are better than some professional painters
I am a decorator and only came across this vlog searching for advice on farrow and ball paint and application on bare plaster.
You describe everything to the letter and as a Johnstones product user, I agree with everything you mentioned
The only thing I would add, get some decorators whites, to save getting covered in paint and if painting large ceilings, water down second and sometimes the third coat in a lesser percentage
Flashing on a large ceiling is a nightmare
Top job
I would definitely recommend this video to anyone who is classed as a diyer
Bryan, can't thank you enough for that contribution, and I could have done with watering down the second ceiling coat. I painted this room in Johnstone's Flat Matt, which helpfully they discontinued pretty much as soon as I walked out of the shop - I thought they could have told me that before I bought it!! They've brought out a new one which is much easier to spot paint, apparently. I've always got a massive amount of respect for professional decorators, or any professionals actually whose default position isn't to tear into people like me! It's normally a good indicator of the quality and professionalism of their own work - and I'm sure that goes for you, too! Thanks again 👍
Huge thank you. Literally followed your advice on paint and mist coat mix for a newly plastered walls and so far so good! You sir, are a legend.
You're very welcome. Sounds like you executed that perfectly 👍🏻
Just had a weekend painting several rooms of new plaster at my son’s house. Your recommendation to invest in the professional roller, extension and 15L container were a godsend. I am very grateful to have spotted your video and for the advice. Thanks you.
So glad to hear that Brian. It's night and day, isn't it, investing in decent kit!
G'day Charlie. We prime the roller with a bit of water, spin the excess water out then into the paint. It gives a better paint uptake especially on new rollers. As always, love your presentation of the basics of DIY. Regards to your family and please take care in these troubling times. Love the beam!
Hi Andy. Thanks for that. Yes the beam is great, although I wish I'd raised the ceiling now to reveal more of it. A new roof was built over the original in the '70s so I could have revealed the whole lot and put a couple of dormers in to get more light into the room. Hey ho, you live and learn! You take care too mate. We'll get through this!!
Painted new plaster for the first time yesterday and went with the manufacture recommend dilution firstly for the list coat, well you’d think I’d never touched the wall ! Then diluted more to your spec and hey what a difference, your method 10 times better Charlie, more water is the way forward.
Cheers pal 👍
New to this channel but it's been a godsend as currently doing our kitchen up from scratch and wanted to do most of the jobs ourselves. Really learning a thing or two from these videos 👍
Hi I have used paint from a decorator centre for a few years now and as you say the quality is far better. I don't thin down put matt emulsion straight onto a plastered wall and never had a problem. Thank you for taking the time to make video's.
You're welcome David. Fair point. At the end of the day, it's all about doing what works in our individual circumstances 👍
Wonderfully presented video and incredibly detailed, without being too lengthy or overbearing. Looking forward to painting our newly plastered ceilings in a couple of weeks, will certainly be using this video religiously as my guide 🙏 Thank you in advance Charlie!
Thank you Charlie, complete DIY newbie, left overwhelmed and frightened after air flow heating system fitted and landlord refusing to repaint my house after all external walls in every room insulated. Watching your video has calmed be down and given me some hope that I might be able to get my home back.
I know how you feel and actually I'm in a similar situation at the moment with the house refurb. The trick is to write down all the jobs you need to do and divide them up into small manageable chunks rather than looking at everything as a whole. You can then take it one day or weekend at a time and gradually knock off each task - which you'll find very satisfying to complete. Good luck 👊
Great channel Charlie, plenty of useful advice and tips.
I use old empty plastic 4 or 6 pint milk containers to store my 50/50 mix of mist coat paint between jobs. Careful not to confuse it with the milk for the TEA! I also use a plastic bag liner in my paint kettles, saves on clean up time.
Just wanted to say thanks for this, if i hadnt watched i would of ruined everything with the velspar paint i had picked up, checked the back, do not water down.... Life saver!
You're welcome my friend. I nearly did the same, having bought the same Valspar intending to water it down like I had always done with Armstead before that. Luckily someone commented below my previous mist coat video complaining they'd done just that, so we both owe him a beer!
Does anyone else thing that the lovely Charlie sounds like Keith Floyd. I keep expecting him to have a glass of wine in shot! Brilliant tutorial's
Aw, thanks xx A few people are saying this at the moment. I'm amused that things are moving on from Gordan Ramsay to Keith Floyd. What is it about me and chefs, and does that mean I'm ageing gracefully? 👏😂🙏
@@CharlieDIYte like a fine wine Keith..I mean, Charlie!!
I definitely need this video today.. I've a nightmare of a bathroom to do. Walls and ceiling paint flakes right off as soon as paint touches it. So sanding it all to get the flakey bits off then going to mist it following your video.. thanks in advance 😁
He needs to do a video where he’s pissed up!!
Again, another useful video with worked examples. Channels such as yours and Skill Builder have shown that thinking through tasks, testing and measuring (like your silicone application video) will yield the very best results. Unlike far too many in the building and decorating trades you have shown that good durable finishes and outcomes are not the result of luck and speed. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Trevor - I really appreciate that!
Skill Builder is amazing. Robin Clevett is amazing on that channel. His own channels great too if you don't already follow it. Highly recommend it.
Cheers Charlie you just saved me from a lot of pain with PVA
Hey Charlie nother great video. I'm not professional but have painted probably 10 times over plaster. I converted our garage into a reiki studio for my wife were I did everything including all the plastering so I am a very competent DIYer. ( I also work for B&Q so the discount on is handy!)
Anyway totally agree I made the mistake using a vinyl emulation once and it pealed off within a month. And I always use a contact at the moment leyland and always water it down nearer to 40% water.
Thanks Gee, that's great to know 👍
Can recommend Johnstone’s, they give great info, and can match any expensive boutique paint colour.
Half the price !!
Finally! Someone who knows what he’s on about...As a plasterer and painter lm amazed by the number of people who condone the use of PVA as a sealer n new plaster before applying paint. Good advice given on this video.😉👍
Cheers Charlie, this info will save me a few quid on the second half of my current decorating jobs around the house. Really appreciate the time & effort gone into your videos, keep up the good work.
Always mist coat. My 4 year old house now has patches all over where original painter put 1st coat on too thick \ used unthinable emulsion. Fun times for me. Cheers Charlie.
Sorry to hear that buddy. A bit like where my builder didn't scratch coat the render before plastering and I've got loads of live areas to have fun with!!
@@CharlieDIYte I'm following your tip of skimming with filler after misting the patches to level out the finish. Happy wife = happy life ;) Good luck with your repairs.
Celyn Jones. You have a hellish job ahead of you. Soak the wall and scrape away as much as you can.
Then either feather the edges with a sander on larger areas or use a filler on small areas.
When the wall is as smooth as you can get it or are happy with, then apply the mist coat. Check its smooth, apply a thicker mist coat, and if you are happy proceed to top / finish coat.
Good luck.
Hear what you say about not sealing with PVA but I've had great success using Zinsser Gardz. Apply one coat Gardz then straight to top coat(s).
Agree. It's a different formula from regular PVA
Late to the party but what an excellent video, exactly the information I was needing as our whole house has just been newly plastered. You have a new subscriber, well deserved.
40-50% in my diy experience works well Charlie, usually using cheapish emulsion. Best wishes, keep up the great videos.
Thanks Oli👍
Thanks for this. I do the same as you and have been nagged something awful over the past couple of weeks that I'm doing it wrong by my wife & her sister. All mist coats finished now so I suppose I can get on with doing the top coats wrong as well. Jim
One tip I’ve learned the hard way is make sure you do your mist coat before applying decorators caulk. I’ve had caulk just peeling off after a year otherwise
Good point cheers mate!
Thank god for you. The only DIY channel I am subbed to because you tell it how it is.
Aw, thanks so much. Any questions just drop me a line. 🙏
@@CharlieDIYte Shall do! Our Victorian reno poses daily questions 😂
I can only imagine how long it took to produce this video, so thanks for taking the time to make it. 👍 quick question, what type of roller do you use for final/top coat? I’ve always used a medium pile.
Thanks Dave. Good question. I'll be using that roller with the diagonal black stripe that you saw at 11.23 mins into the video. It produces a lovely texture.
Huge support from the UK too from me. We do have different needs and tolerances it seems. Thanks for clear, informative succinct advice that I will now go and use.
I used the No Nonsense paint for my bedroom ceiling. I was dubious but it's great stuff and I'll be using it going forward. You can water it down too, if you want to.
I did 2 coats of it and left it so for me it worked out more efficient than doing a mist coat then 2 coats of another paint.
Thanks Carl. Good to hear!
What I love about loose base coats is that it allows you to learn the room making the top finish… er.. top!
Fair point 👍
Thanks so much for your videos, I'm finding them so helpful. In the process of decorating for the first time, so it's all new to me and can feel quite overwhelming.
Have just mist painted some new plaster on ceiling. Should I do another mist coat or onto normal paint now?!
Huge thanks again. Ellie
Hi Ellie. You're very welcome - thanks for watching my vids 👍👏 No, if you've done one mist coat as I directed, once it's dry you can just proceed with the top coat.
@@CharlieDIYte Great, thanks so much for replying to me, really appreciate it 😀 On with the painting tomorrow!
Used the Screwfix bare plaster paint for the first last week and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was to be honest , went on nicely and very good opacity so a nice solid basecoat , i put some coving up the next day and where i wiped down the excess coving adhesive off the walls & ceiling with a damp sponge it didn't wipe any of the plaster paint off at all , sometimes a slightly powdery mistcoat will wash off if trying to do the same thing. Big thumbs up from me.
Yes I was pleasantly surprised too. Thanks for the feedback. 👍
I've watched so many of your vids Charlie. You really are down to Earth and comprehensive. Keep doing what you do and don't change your style even if you become a RUclips millionaire ✌️
Much of what you talked about in this vid especially the roller sleeve sliding off I still experience to this day as a novice DIYer myself.
I will give you top marks for this video. as a pro time served decorator since 1971 the amount of problems I have had to sort out simply because they haven't thinned the paint on the first coat. there is no sweet spot on the amount of thinning. it depends on the paint you are using. we normally use dulux trade paint which is usually thicker than diy paints. just add enough to get it to the way you had it
Thanks so much Raymond. Receiving a positive endorsement from a pro is very humbling and also speaks fathoms about you as it's so easy for pro decorators to criticise us DIYers (and I've had my fair share of that in the past). My motto is basically as much water as you can get away with but as you say it's something you just have to guage. I have to reluctantly say I was quite impressed with the performance of that Screwfix bare plaster paint. Don't know how it works though. It's now hidden behind the wardrobe so I'll never know it's long term performance. 👍
ive not used the screw fix one myself and its not really been on the market long enough to say if its good or bad and only someone that knows the plaster has been coated with this and redecorates it will know if its worked or not@@CharlieDIYte
Watered-down matt is fine I always put a diluted coat on first.
Such a useful video. I have been advised to use PVA, but I won’t be doing that now.
Thank you for your advise.
Thanks Maureen 👍🏻 Yes, don't use PVA. I don't know where this idea came from but it's the recipe for a lot of problems.
Thanks Charlie, any advice on hairline cracks on new plaster?
Yes. That stuff I recommended in the video Easi-Fill. I did a recent video on it here ruclips.net/video/6Omsv5-NN9k/видео.html. You can get it in a 5kg box, with 1kg bags inside. Mix up a small amount and apply with a continental filler knife, scraping the excess off so you're leaving no excess on the surface except in the crack itself. Then a very light sand (may not even need to sand) with 180grit and paper and then touch up with your wall paint. If you're lucky you will just be able to spot paint the crack without having to do the whole wall. Links to the filler knife etc in the Description below the video linked above.
@@CharlieDIYte thanks Charlie you've saved the day again
Your videos are are always informative on many construction issues but with this it's always best to do a mist coat before you do any sanding or filling as it stabilisers the walls and help prevent scarifying and shows up every place needing to be filled as it's easy to miss snots when the plaster is raw and 180grit is the only way to go when knocking down a filled mist,just my professional opinion from a dec with 32 years in the trade but apart from that very good videos mate👍
Thanks Jamie. Makes perfect sense, that. Are you then applying a second mist coat to the entire wall after filling the selected areas?
Always mist coat first this will then show any imperfections in plaster more predominantly once dry plaster patch imperfections rub down then apply top coats this is how the trade do it
i just painted a large extension with vaulted ceilings with the p
bare plaster paint from screwfix. for a 5x5m extension with ceilings upto 4.3m (with a walkin wardrobe and ensuite within it) i used 2 full tubs and a third of another. but i was so impressed with the coverage and how flat the walls looked afterwards i was pleased i bought that. mist coating is tried and tested for years and clearly is cheaper but the screwfix stuff is excellent
No it isnt my friend !
@@adypurdy3791 why whats up with it?
@@mattsidebottom7603 why waste time with a mist coat ? i paint 6 or 7 days a week as a self employed decorator with 40 years behind me .Prepare the job and go straight on with Leylands super leytex white on ceilings or all the walls too ,any imperfections will show pretty quick .Use a fine powder filler just before the second coat etc .easier and faster to overfiller than sanding down bare plaster .Have all the windows open letting fresh air in and use blow dryers to speed it up ,all about speed and money and a completely different ball game to whats shown in these videos .
ps sorry about the grammar as using my phone to type ,job on here !
I once painted emulsion directly onto 1940's plaster on the inside of a cupboard, I thought I would get away with it there. The next day it was full of cracks (all in the same direction) and peeling up. That's why you mist coat!! Superb video.
you missed a bit.. hehehe just kidding. Love this video, thank you for your effort for making this for us. The music with the high speed is my fave part haha :)
Thankyou for taking the time to make this video. I know it takes a lot of work to make them. I’d been fed the PVA line too and it seemed counterintuitive to me too, sealing in moisture. Glad I found your video - another subscriber to your channel here 😎
Thanks so much for the kind words - you're right it takes for ever to edit these videos 😉 Thanks also for the sub, I really appreciate it. 👊
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Great tips Charlie. Question. I will be painting bare plaster walls shortly. I used the product "MAKE GOOD JOINT FILLER " that doesn't require taping on a small section of plasterboard that wasn't freshly plastered. The instructions say to use a primer on the joints before painting.
Would this be PVA primer or thinned out emulsion??
@@imabeliever3 that make good stuff is awful!! I gave it a coat of zinseer 123 before painting. The difference with that stuff is that you use it for tape and jointing and not skimming. That means you would have fresh plasterboard which I wouldnt mist coat as the high water content would cause the cardboard cover to go weird.
@@imabeliever3 I'm sorry, I missed this comment - sometimes they don't show in my feed, particularly if they're replies to existing comments rather than new ones. Did you sort this in the end?
The Screwfix Trade Bare Plaster Paint worked perfectly for us. 2 coats and the walls look fantastic.
How come your plaster is brown ?
What a struggle.
We plaster with white plaster here , and that is so white , it hardly needs paint.
But we paint it anyway with Histor or Flexa *Monodek* , (local brands) one or two times, great stuf (always use these brands, DIY own brand , sucks)
Always on special offer at all our DIY shop at around 32 euro for 10 liter or 10+2
Regular roller, no fancy stuff.
Always work, also in my garage boxes without heating, lasts for ages.
And when there is too much to do, I borrow a pro spray machine from a friend or let him do it hehehehe.
RS - I live in the UK and always think the same especially after working on construction sites in Belgium where all the plaster there is white. So much easier.
Coming from a country that mostly paints there homes, I have been very frustrated & confused with the paint quality in the uk but now watching ur video, I get it & appreciate ur video. With so much competition & choice it’s enough to drive one mad, too many T&C which allows sellers to distort the truth, bunch of criminals. Thanks for the information which I hope will help me IF I take on another project ✝️
You're welcome Helen. Yes it's a confusing landscape to navigate. I mean, I bought a 5 litre tub of Valspar to mist coat with, and wouldn't have read the label if someone hadn't alerted me to the problem of you not being able to water it down, in the comments.
When you're saving money by doing the job yourself, its worth investing in proper tools to get an easy and excellent finish
you're right mate. "Rich men buy cheap tools". Always get the best tools you can afford. Great video
Thanks Bob 👍
cut it all in before you roll the walls :) a lot faster that way
Yep, fair point 👍
Sprey the top coat yes but the mist coat still needs rollering off or it won't key in. So might as well roller the mist, only benefit to sprey the mist is speed of application but it can dry so quick, you either need someone following you to roller it or down the spreyer and pick up the roller every 10 minutes.
@@TheHomeent Spot on.👍
What a brilliant video and thank you so much for your advice. I have a plasterer who is going to skim my small house top to bottom. After he has finished I'm g to try the painting of the walls myself. I've never tried it before. Cheers again and I've subscribed.
Brilliant presentation, thank you, learned a lot about fresh plaster. Done lots of painting but rarely new plaster. I painted a wall a short while ago where the original paint was inclined to lift off while i was rollering the new coat which didn`t make much sense to me but having watched this presentation i would gleen that the paint i was covering over was most likely rolled on in a non thinned condition or maybe not thinned enough or maybe a non thinned vinyl paint. 😊
Exactly Tony. That's pretty much exactly how the problem manifests itself.
Perfect video.
I wanted to ask, how you prepare a wall to paint that already has paint on it. With elements of fresh plaster around it ? Unsure how to do deal with it. Giving me loads of headaches. And how do you prepare a painted wall (water based) ready to be painted over ? Thank you as always!!😊
Good video Charlie especially your comments regarding PVA. My dad taught me to plaster. I used to go to work with him in my school holidays and worked with him off an on ever since till he retired. He is now 86yrs. He always advised to thin cheap paint down to seal fresh plaster, so I just do as I was taught.
It just makes perfect sense
Thanks John. I love hearing stories like that. Old school pros like your Dad definitely know best! Must have been great working with him.
Hi Charlie, love your no nonsense approach to DIY, refreshing to hear tips to save and when to buy something of quality. please keep this up, its invaluable.
Hi Andrew, thanks SO MUCH for taking the time to send me such wonderful words of encouragement - I really appreciate it👍
Hi Charlie. I watched the video last week and this morning tried it out on my freshly plastered bathroom. plaster was completely dry. I used 1L of trade white with 0.5L water. it went on great with a brush for the corners and a regular roller for the rest, went on well and gave a good coverage with both methods of application. the only small problem is that it dries almost instantly! there are a couple of imperfections that can be sorted out before the first full coat.
Thanks for the video.
The bare plaster paint is brilliant, never have had a call back or even an issue. So much better than watering down emulsion. Also despite appearing thick in the tub, once it’s been mixed up it’s very wet, and covers me in splatters just as much as any mist coat I’ve mixed up. Only thing I’d recommend is doing opposing walls, i mini roll my internal angles and sometimes when you go against an opposing wet angle it’ll sometimes try and drag the paint off
That's good to know mate. Got to say I was very impressed with it too.👍
At last, someone has explained exactly WHY vinyl paint should not be used as a mist coat. I've seen it said so many times but until now have not known why we shouldn't use it. Thanks Charlie. BTW, I just mix the water in by stirring with a brush, I can't be bothered fussing with a drill etc. It only takes a few seconds longer and is less likely to splash everywhere.
Great video! Just had hallway, landing, staircase & false ceiling skimmed & was feeling nervous about doing a mist coat. Not now though!
Still undecided on whether to get the bare plaster paint or have a go at watering down, but will be making full use of the tools you've recommended
Glad to hear it! I was actually very impressed with the bare plaster paint. I guess it comes down to cost as it will be cheaper to mist coat. Just make sure you check the paint can be watered down. 👌👊
Cheers. I did find this really useful. I followed your instructions and all worked out well. Thank you for making such a useful video. Well done 👌
Istvan, thanks so much for the comment. Really glad you found it so useful 👍
Thanks mate, very useful info. I’d always ended up with a powdery mist coat. Now I know how to avoid it. Cheers
Thanks Matt. That could well be because the paint wasn't designed to be watered down. So important to check before buying 👍🏻
A very professional and comprehensive video........thank you!
Thanks buddy 👍
Been a professional decorator for 30years now very good advice. But mist coat first fill then light rub down
I'm in the UK and I've always used 50/50 on fresh plastered walls. It lets it suck all the water in with a little bit left to dry.
Thankyou for this video…it’s been most helpful even after all these years later than you made it!
So female here, I have 6 fresh plaster ceilings to paint and I’m dreading it! But I feel abit for confident after watching this video.. I think 😂
After the mist coat how many ‘normal’ coats do I do on top?
Thankyou in advance
Just found your channel, already helped a lot with patching plaster, thankyou
Late to the party, but these videos have been extremely useful, thank you.
One thing you may find interesting, I recently used a tack cloth just before painting, it was really efficient at removing dust and tiny particles and left the surface really clean and smooth. They’re commonly used by automotive panel sprayers. I paid less than £7 for 10 from Toolstation.
Great tip, thanks for sharing. It's never too late to join the party. I have no immediate plans to end it 😉👍
Im so grateful that i found your channel. Thanks for the top tips!
I'm really glad I found this video of painting on bare plaster.
We're having our own house built and it's concrete based, not wood.
Since paint jobs are so costly these days and it takes up a lot of days to finish up, we're thinking to do it by ourselves.
What's your recommendation for a bare, newly concrete plastered walls and ceilings in terms of priming it and then finishing it off with a quality paint?
We do have Dulux in our country, although it's a bit expensive but if it can be thinned down, I'll think about giving it a shot.
We painted our previously owned house with a general primer and the retailer suggested to put in some acrylic with a bit of water too I think and then prime the walls with it, or like you said a bit misty like.
We painted the whole house, inside by ourselves and I was so pleased with myself for doing such a good job (I even chiseled down a 1x1 to make 5 ft and 7 ft long wooden rods in replacement of the extendable ones, which aren't available here).
Anyhow, I'd love to know what your suggestions are. The house isn't plastered yet, but I'm already thinking about doing the inside paint job ourselves.
Very informative videos for people like myself, really appreciate the effort you put in these videos and letting us know what to buy or do and what not to.
Thanks a bunch.
Thanks. I appreciate that 👍🏻 The important thing as I said in the video is to prime it either with a mist coat or with a bare plaster paint, and that bare plaster paint I used was actually pretty good. If you're going to water down a mist coat you have to make sure the paint can be watered down. I would go with a contract matt. I wouldn't mix acrylic in with it as the acrylic, like vinyl is an additive to make the top coat more durable. The base coat doesn't want these additives as they won't sink into the plaster.
@@CharlieDIYte Thanks for the heads up, I really appreciate it. I'll make sure to keep these important things in my mind when we embark on our painting the house expedition.
Thanks to your videos I've now got a direction for my journey ahead.
Also looking forward to any videos on oil paint, how to prime and paint metal surfaces.
Thank you for taking out the time to write and enlightening me with good advice.
Charlie good video just wanted to say that in the past,here in the states it was always recommended to prime any new plaster with oil based primer because in some cases the plaster contained chicken poop which allowed for more working time with the plaster but it emits calcimine causing latex paint to peel after about 6 months not sure if this is an issue anymore with new plaster but it still is with older homes with plaster walls.
Thanks Bill, that's interesting. I guess shellac paints like Zinsser BIN would work well for that, too. 👍
@@CharlieDIYte shellac works great but it’s more expensive than a plain oil based primer
thats a good tip about some of the water based not being dilutable....... i mostly use johnstones q/dry but just looked at a massive extension so was looking at trade emulsion for that.
Yep, I didn't know myself until someone raised it in the Comments section, and funnily enough I had a big 10ltr tub of Valspar that I was planning to water down. Went straight back and returned it to B&Q!
Great video as always Charlie 👍🏽 just about to paint a new room. Went out and brought the equipment as recommended. Thanks again.
Ah, great work mate. You won't regret it 👍
Eclipse by McPhersons and Super Leytex is normally used for new plaster as well. I always thin down 1st coat apart from a job years ago someone wanted me to paint bare plaster will full emulsion I disapproved try explaining was listening until he backed off me. I also prefer using scuttle and 12 to 18 inch roller as opposed to 9 inch and flimsy trays. I love those Purdy 4 to 6 inch frames and sleeves
hi I used bare plaster paint excellent coverage but works out expensive if you have a lot to do . but 1 room saved me messing about mixing etc I was happy with great coverage
Hi Andrew. I've got to agree. That bare plaster paint has worked fantastically. A lot more expensive though, as you say.
Great videos thank you. I watched your video on filling patches in paintwork and applied that method first to my wall (but many many patches- didn't feel confenough to re skim the whole wall level!). Then I used this method with the contract matt/ diluted mist coat and was really happy with the results as it bonded lovely and left a great base for painting. Thank you for clarifying the wildness of DIY advice! :)
Fantastic work! Really chuffed you found the vids useful and you executed the repairs so well 👏👍
The level of detail you go into is great, exactly all of the things I would be wanting to find out - and you condense it really nicely. Thanks very much. Learning a lot from your videos!
You're very welcome Jasmin. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. It's lovely to get feedback like this as I often worry that I'm going on for too long. 😏
Not at all, I’m a researcher by background and these are all of the things I’d be scouring the web to find out - and here you are kindly providing it for us. It also makes your advice more trustworthy as you’ve clearly done the hard prep work! Thanks again.
@@jasminstevenson643 Thanks, I appreciate that. Drop me a line if you ever have any queries 👍
Great video and advice. I've used Dulx Supermatt thinned down on bare plaster and it worked a treat. For me, I like to cut in with a brush on the edges before using the roller. Like Charlie says, don't use DIY roller sleeves and gear, good kit is so much better.
Thanks Alan, great advice 👍
I never realised we have a Johnstone's decorating centre only 6 miles away from me. All this time I never knew it was there. Never realised they actually had any. Surprised to see on their online store finder they're everywhere! It gets better; just found one for Dulux within a couple miles from the Johnstone's one as well. I think I'll be taking a drive later.
Thank you for this video sir!
Just had our living room skimmed, now to take your advice. Will feed back how it goes!
You're very welcome. Good luck with the mist coat.
@@CharlieDIYte so I’ve hit a little stumble. I’ve put my first mist coat up and there is one small dark patch that has come through from the plaster.
Now it’s been 2 weeks since the plaster was put on so can’t be wet still. Will wait until dry and see if another coat covers it.