Anti-Critical Race Theory Politician Maud Maron Explains Her Position - Tha God’s Honest Truth
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Lenard "Charlamagne" McKelvey and comedian Jordan Carlos talk to NYC City Council hopeful Maud Maron about Critical Race Theory and why they believe she is wrong about its effects on school-age children.
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Jordan you killed it and Leonard(C-god) killed it for putting this together. Also respect to the woman who came to the show who probably knew she would get killed. It takes courage to do that and talk about what you believe. I hope she grew from this experience has a better perspective of the world we live in.
That implies what she was saying was wrong. She actually brought up a lot of fair points.
This lady was completely unprepared. She was just there to listen
@Draya Mitchell she said students shouldn't be taught to focus so much on the skin color of their peers. They counter argued with "would you trade places with a random black person". Then talked about a number of other black people that wouldn't want to trade places with a random black person. And he himself said he wouldn't trade places with a random white person. This whole thing was a joke.
@@JayTac1 first I didn’t say she was wrong I said I hope she grew from this experience and that she can see the issue from a different perspective. Just like Jordan and Leonard probably took away something from the conversation. I agree that she made some good points, but made me re-evaluate how I talk to my kids about this type of subject.
I don't think Jordan or Charla killed anything. She was invited there to speak, but they weren't planning on listening to her anyway. This wasn't the right setting for such a discussion. It was her vs everybody else in that room on limited time and I don't think they granted her the time to state her views properly. Almost every time she paused to think, Jordan or Charla stepped in. Imo that made it more difficult for here to state her views clearly. And she failed to so.
... Up until the last minute. I understood from her that she agreed with them, but just thinks it should be taught differently.
But there definitely should be a better platform for these discussions. As a man that likes to hear both sides of the argument, I thought this was trash.
This woman has some balls for going on the show. She's trying to be so careful with the words she chooses you can tell she she catches herself.
That’s why they should bring a black person with a different point of view. She can’t mention how our kids aren’t graduating, and our fucked up culture.
If we put all our efforts in the past we can’t fix the future
@@MrG22333 she didnt bring enough artillery...dude tried and thought he was going somewhere with that 3/5th's question and asking like 3 times...mf learned 3/5this in the 80's..it was never white washed from me..and no that has nothing to do with the flaws of CRT
This woman is looking thru rosy white glasses. She's walking on egg shells til she gets back with more white ppl.
They should have called Candace Owens. Then u will out what a sissy CTG is.
I'm a Black woman, and I was actually very curious to hear more about what the arguments against CRT are, specifically, and what problems the critics perceive, and whether there's any merit. But this woman wasn't allowed to actually finish a thought or point sooo...yeah 🙄
I think the whole discussion might have been better if they had started with a base explanation and agreement on what CRT is and what it teaches.... sometimes it seemed like they weren't discussing from the same definition.
She spoke and didn't finish her explanations and statements as well. There's plenty of channels and docs on this subject this may not be the best show for it.
Anyone who has any confusion regarding the fact that CRT teaches Racism, is a lost soul. Teaching children to judge others by their skin color versus the content of their character as MLK dreamed, is the very definition of racism. No politician, educator, administrator knows who I am! They do not have the authority to tell me that I'm an oppressor due to my lack of melanin. They can fuck off, and they won't be indoctrinating my child either. The fact that you have to start off by saying "I am a black woman" says everything one needs to know. Whether you're black or not should be absolutely irrelevant.
Please no one engage the ignorance in the replies to this comment. These people CHOOSE to hear what they want to hear and there is nothing WE say that will change their hate. Our children have gone to their schools and been fed lies and half truths which left them ill prepared for the world ahead. Now when we say we want our children to be taught facts and truths as soon as their brains can comprehend, that is somehow forcing their children to feel guilty. I have NEVER been responsible for how someone else feels and this is no different. Feelings and emotions belong to the individual...if the feel guilt or disappointment in their people, well those are THEIR feelings. I can't force someone to feel something that is not in their heart. So arguing with the very people who refuse to accept their role and responsibility in all of this is dumb.
#DOBETTERWHITEWASHERS
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Agreed, this was frustrating.
Great topic of conversation, great host, and great guests. I would love to have heard her finish all of her sentences without being cut off. Whereas I agree with Jordan’s stance, the young lady was brought on to share her opposing opinion and I’d love to hear it. Suggestion, moderate conversations such that each person is allowed to finish each thought.
C, so happy for you and I love the conversations you’re having. Keep us the great, and helpful work! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I was just about to say the same thing! It’s like they teamed up against her. I was waiting to hear her “vision”. 🤷🏾♂️
@@calsarchandler6851 while i agree she didn't get to finish all sentences. she didn't have a vision and so she wasn't able to complete her own thoughts because there was no basis to what she was saying. she like most of the anti are in fact looking at things through their lense of race and then using that narrative to try and hinder correct and truthful history. ps. i understood what you were saying about her "vision" just adding to it
They should cut her lies short
because what she was saying was nonsense.
I thought the same thing. I think it's important to hear the perspective of those that you don't agree with. Making jokes and cutting them off mid sentence might make for great entertainment, but it doesn't encourage healthy dialogue.
The United Daughters of the Confederacy shaped education in the South to present the Confederates as heroes. That’s the reason people still fly the flag today in 2021 as “southern pride”. Sure it’s been a min since that time period but to act like we still aren’t affected by the past is just ignorant at this point. That’s just one example I’m sure y’all can think of thousands. Thanks Charlemagne for having these tough conversations. Peace and Blessings to everyone
You are correct but they also fly that flag in the nw. And they don’t understand how confuse they are. Ain’t no since debating the insane. Especially when they don’t know what crt is and they lying on the kids.
They should do what they want on their property and be proud of their heritage and their traditions no matter what it was...it isnt your job to take away from their freedoms. They may not also agree with slavery, they just felt that their ancestors fought for something and had conviction and that courage deserves to be remembered (even if it was and is wrong)
@@sew_gal7340 you sound completely insane. Those people were traders to the United States 🇺🇸 and wanted to preserve the right to own people and continue to make profits in the billions. I know folks whose ancestors were nazis. Do they fly swastika flags in their front lawns . No they don’t. 🤡🤡🤡🙄🙄😒😒
I'm black and loved this open conversation, and appreciate the courage of Maud Maron to be on a show with most likely a black audience, black host, and sitting with another black guest and speak on the unpopular side of the debate. We need more of this to understand each other. Great points from both her and Jordan Carlos!!
It sounds like she agrees in the truth, but disagrees in how she's seen it implemented. That's her experience. I think the truth should be taught as truth without the intent on making anyone feel bad. At the end of the day allow the audience to simply react to facts. Teachers go through professional development all the time and part of it is teaching the truth in a non bias manner. Just ensure that's happening and we are good to go. Awesome conversation. Jordan did a phenomenal job at delivering the facts and directing her to speak on them instead of changing the subject. She did a great job at sharing that she agrees with the facts, although tough, but wants to see them taught without MAKING white kids feel bad. I personally don't know any teachers that make anyone feel bad. Simply allow the crowd to react to the content.
She disagrees with the false narrative of how it's implemented. She's a walking strawman.
@@DrSlipperyFist believing in a false narrative leaves room to believe in the truth. I'll take it.
I think saying "you as a black student, are going to be oppressed by a white person. It could be today, it could be tomorrow, but rest assured, you will be oppressed by white people unless you do something to change it."
Then the 7 year old black kid starts becoming sus of his white friends.
All the while, the privately funded white/asian schools are teaching their kids math, proper English, and instrument playing.
@@extremecentrism9796 Or with the knowledge, they become the example of how we should behave, and work to change the system as they get old enough to do so.
@@extremecentrism9796 I mean, black parents are going to raise our children as we see fit based on our experiences in day to day life, irregardless of what they're taught in the classroom. If we've experienced racism and sabotage in the workplace, or even as a small child growing up with other white kids, we're already preparing our child with the lessons that we wish we'd been taught. The only kids who are going to be in the dark about all of this are white kids.
I'm glad this was a constructive conversation. Thank you to all involved
She made zero substantial arguments as to why we shouldn’t teach Critical Race Theory in K-12 public schools
That's why she was invited onto the show
I was called the hard R in elementary school 1st grade. Only black kid in the school. We need this because now a days I feel very depressed and have 0 friends. My childhood best friend called another brother the hard R right in front of me, which ended our friendship. All of this is 1000% real not exaggerated at all. Very sad.
That's because Jordan would stfu.
What states and which schools are ACTUALLY teaching this....I would LoVE to attend a KINDERGARTEN class...pretty sure NONE is being taught...it's a COLLEGE class....for LAWYERS! 😖
I agree for a moment I thought she was arguing against her own point of view. 🤷🏽♀️
I was NOT taught, that the “founding fathers” owned slaves 🤣 I had to learn on my OWN as I got Older.. if it wasn’t for the internet I probably STILL wouldn’t know..
I wish Jordan would've stfu and let her talk. We so busy trying to prove how smart we are, we miss opportunities to let people expose themselves.
Facts! Same here. History in school is insanely whitewashed. Everyone white is a American hero, everyone else is a evil wicked opp...smh
@@GODBREWCULTURE facts 💯
I was in my first year of college when I learned in a classroom that Columbus didn’t discover shit. 🤨
I don't know. Considering the time period, it kind of seemed obvious. I just remember thinking as a child, oh I guess that's just something we don't talk about.
A huge problem in our society is that we lack intellectual curiosity and we refuse to critically think, which is ironic in this conversation. Like Jordan, I also had to put many puzzle pieces together on my own, whereas to many, they're not learning something unless they're being told directly. No one is seeking their own understanding.
To this day I still have not been "taught" that the founding fathers owned slaves. I was never taught about something like, "the Big Switch", which I feel is important to understand to see through modern-day political intent. But I came to understand it by looking over Reconstruction-era politics (which were never properly taught, but thankfully were in the textbook) and how things CLEARLY changed overtime. All because I was confused as hell how Lincoln could've possibly been a republican. And like people nowadays need to see their president and public officials wear a mask and socially distance in order to believe a pandemic. We're more sheeple than we'd like to think.
I loved this segment, it deserves 10Hrs + worth of footage and discussion.
Proves we can still much a$$without putting in them hands. We can do both bit this has better effect if enough if us are willing to do this with our platforms. So proud, do proud💖
We def needed to hear more from Maud. Cutting her off with a point that 'certain history happened' isn't the way to change her mind or even understand a group. This could have been done much differently to allow us to walk away with more. Thank you for sharing.
Racoon
Is that your take away?? Further...generation after generation these very people tell Black people to get over it...I never owned slaves, control and hide history.
I mean....your concerned about changing her mind, it will never change no matter how many facts and historical context is explained.
All she is saying here is...were already miles ahead, were never going to allow you equal footing stop crying.
@@TheSet6145 thanks for adding to the discussion!
I saw a documentary on PBS, One of the points of the documentary was that black soldiers were hung in their uniform after returning from World War II. Black soldiers weren't allowed to eat in the same restaurants that German prisoners of war ate at. So is that CRT or the truth?
That's ancient history - no employer TODAY says "I WAS going to him Jamaal, but because his ancestors where treated unequally I'm NOT going to hire him" - no one says that. If you go back in a time machine, sure, blacks were legally treated unfairly - but you live in 2021.
@@dude999642 Well Dale I know a lot of white people like to make us think that that's ancient history and doesn't happen anymore, That we all live in harmony and racism is dead But they have these pesky things called studies, And in 2018, 2019, and 2020 They see that Whites with high school educations get hired more than blacks with college degrees. People with black sounding names Get less callbacks than people with white sounding names for jobs. And housing, people with black sounding names are told That the apartment was rented And when a person with a white sounding name calls They are told that The apartment is still for rent. You see Dale those things still go on, So you keep believing the fairy tale
@@dude999642 Um, some of our grandparents and parents are still alive that grew up during Jim Crow, so it's definitely not a thing of the past. What did this country do to FIX the impact of all of the abuse...the massacres, the lynchings, the assaults, that ruined their lives on them? If you're are actually PAST something, it means that no ones still being impacted by it and that the messes caused by it have been cleaned up. Outside of black people and other minorities fighting for equal treatment, what measures has the government itself taken all on its own to rectify the impact of the past and even present day racism, alienation and discrimination on our communities?
@@sparklesp9304 The Civil Rights Act of 1964, so for the majority of their lives, gave black people full equal protection under the law. Stop living in the past. If anything black people have MORE rights under the law because of "equity" programs, and affirmative action - all well-intended programs.
@@sparklesp9304 It was tragic, but you seem to be one of those people that think that only WHITE people can be racist.
She didn't convince me. And i walked in with an open mind - i swear. This is good, recommend Lenard continues to have opposing views on 🥳🎉
They didn't really let her do much talking. She tried to address two points they brought up, and they wouldn't even let her get to the second point.
And those points were moot. She's on that 'don't make white people feel bad' bullshit, so as to silence the conversation altogether.
Agreed.. and I also had an open mind
@@ddrebrne3336 while simultaneously being silence herself. The irony....
I'm bothered by the fact that she really didn't talk about CRT. CRT is about the systemic problem, not the individual. It's not being taught in K-12 schools. I feel that in order to have conversations with these BS artists, that we are allowing that point to be considered a reality. Great job by Jordan, he really had her behaving like his points were rhetorical, and since that is based on actual history, they were. It's exhausting engaging with people in denial of reality.
7:30 "she's sitting on a school council" 😒 these are the types of people are sitting in coucils determining what your kids learn and not learn.
That is why I find her so insidious. When black and/or brown people bring up race issues she gaslights and tries to make you think you're crazy. But she is taking serious fake and crazy ideas. CRT is not being taught in schools!
One thing about CRT from both the RIGHT and LEFT perspective is that it seems curiously hard to define WHEN CRT should be implemented in the classroom. If you do it too early, say K-5, the depth of the conversation will be lost, confusing or traumatic to younger minds. But…. 6-12 grade might be where these conversations need to start happening. What colonialism did to an entire swath of Native Americans and Blacks human trafficked (from a completely different continent against their will) is important to discuss and shouldn’t be minimized to make whites feel better, BUT…. I don’t want my sons in 2nd grade talking about it. It’s something that needs to be addressed when they have the cognitive presence of mind to understand how it happened, why it happened, it’s past and present impacts and how we can shape the future with that knowledge. So of course introducing hardcore racial topics to grade schoolers might be a bridge too far but introducing it in middle school and expounding upon it high school should be a requisite for history classes. Beyond critical race theory American children should be learning a second language before 8th grade. We give them 3-4 years to learn one in high school when they could start in grade school and be conversational before high school. Introducing lesson plans that include tax law, the finances of owning a home, not just compound interest but the secondary expenses such as insurance, PMI, property taxes, home value over time, the cost of higher education, etc. these are all topics that could be taught in tandem with CRT. American children are woefully behind in so many ways, people are getting jammed up on racism being taught in class but won’t acknowledge we aren’t pushing the importance of a better, more robust educational system that prepares American youth for the challenges the world will present to them, be it racial, financial or otherwise
It’s a college course at a handful of universities. It’s not taught in k-12. It’s just to rile up the conservative base
I remember being late to school one morning in elementary school.. I came into class on a random slave video.. I felt extremely uncomfortable. That did force my mind to look at wypepo a different way than me.. I don’t remember any conversation from my teachers but the video was stuck in my head..
They need to do an hour long segment for this topic
Hopefully one day everyone can open up their minds and listen to each other out of curiosity without being offended even if you don’t like what they got to say.
I will be completely honest...no PK-12 school I have ever worked in taught CRT so I have no idea what her specific criticism is and they didn't really give her much chance to explain. Like any concept or theory...it can be taught incorrectly or lose its spirit and maybe there is a real conversation there. I think Charla and Jordan did what a lot of people do (which she mentioned) is lump any critics of CRT into the same pile and refuted points she was never making because some of the backlash against CRT is so visceral that too many proponents feel they have to shut down any type of criticism whatsoever.
Omg I haven’t seen Jordan Carlos in FOREVERRRR. so glad to see him on tv. Great conversation.
What’s the difference between CRT and teaching accurate history?
Exactly. It goes to show you that they are not teaching the truth.
Because CRT asserts that we are inherently stuck within a nation of systematic oppression, discrimination, prejudice, etc. towards racial minorities in almost every institution of our society and I don't necessarily agree with that notion. I think we have grown a lot as a nation in a relatively short span of time and will continue to do so. It also arguably indoctrinates youth into fixating heavily on race at an early age, which in and of itself could be considered racist and the very antithesis of its intended goal.
@@tity2necklace
So what do you call redlining and the president industrial complex?
@@afrolore7462 The president industrial complex? Lol. WTF is that?
@@tity2necklace
Prison industrial complex
Nonsense. I'm A Black veteran. And, I have multiple relatives who are Black veterans. I used my VA Home Loan benefit. And, I advised my relatives to use theirs. They haven't. Can't blame that on the white man.
The only thing holding Black people back now is mentality. 3/5 was 235 years ago. The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964, 58 years ago, half a century. How many Black people purchased Amazon stock 25 years ago or invested in Bitcoin/crypto? Why not? Is that the white man's fault? Or, is it the result of having the wrong mentality.
Anti CRT is allllll about emotions. Anti CRT are not refuting the truth its literally about how they feel
Black people have feelings too though is the point, white people don’t get to do 75% of the discrimination and then say what they want people to acknowledge. Don’t do it if you don’t want us to speak the truth about it.
“…We will never get to the real solution in this country if we keep on lying about the problem…” - Tha God has speaketh.
This all comes down to you as a parent being dependent on someone else educating your child. It wouldn't matter what theroy gets spoken about, as long as that child is being taught at home. You get manipulated by TV. Teachers are not the end all be all. Educate your own kid.
The fact of the matter is that the public school system does not want to teach history from a black point of view. Period. 🤨🤷🏽♀️
Private black schools could be an option likes the Jews and I believe Asians.
Peroidt
A lot of people in the comment section are saying she couldn't finish her thoughts. What I viewed is her making the same tired reheated boilerplate arguments and the men pounced. The only unfairness I really saw was them teaming up on her. Charla should have played ref and let her and the comedian go one-on-one.
I like this dialog but don't think the live audience or atleast the clapping should be allowed, it's makes it hard to get the truth out of a guest like her. The clapping makes them twice about their response
As much as I love the concept of this platform, I was really looking to seeing Charlemagne's challenging and provoking character come through in a more productive fashion. Jordan was great to listen too, Maude could have been. I just wish there was more structure, including a proper central question, introduction, definition, and key topical points delivered to the guest to discuss interrupted, at least initially. Rather we see this "talking at" format. It was even unclear as to whether or not there was a mutual understanding of what CRT is in the first place.
Regardless, it's nice to see the beginnings of a debate format amongst individuals closer to or directly within our communities.
This needs to be longer. Please redo this into a 2 hour segment of this subject, and the fact that there's been very little effort to research and FIX the impact of slavery and Jim Crow on the African American community. Thank you for having people who the descendants of those are directly affected by all of these topics be the ones to discuss them. American slavery and Jim Crow should NEVER be discussed on a public platform without ADOS's and people who actually experienced or are the children of those who experienced Jim Crow being present. I DO think that you guys needed to have defined what CRT actually is and what she specifically opposed being taught in schools if it wasn't simply the truths of American history.
This was a very uneven platform for this lady to try to get her point across. Maybe it was the time frame, maybe it's the two on one side (plus the audience) and one on the other. I would have simply liked to hear and fully understand her perspective. At which time I could come up with my own conclusions.
They never allowed her to given her alternative to CRT. What do they want to replace it with? It left her off the hook, to me. Give us the opportunity to hear the opposition.
I can probably makes some assumptions about what she would say.
We say these are the bad things that have happened... BUT we have moved beyond those things. The world wasn't quite as sophisticated back then, but solid foundations were laid that allows us to live in the greatest and most comfortable society the world has ever known.
Her argument was to not ignore the past, but don't hone in on skin color so much. Remember, these are kids we're talking to. Wait until college to talk about all of the nuances. Let's work on making our kids smart so we can compete with other countries, instead of filling their head with racial garbage.
@@extremecentrism9796 so what do you do when kids are confronted with race issues before college? The point they are trying to make is just because you feel it's not an important discussion you need to have with your kids doesn't mean it's unnecessary. What about the kids who will be the victims and perpetrators of racism before college? I dealt with race, culture issues in elementary school
@@madhash83 so should we implement other social interactions in with our curriculum? Should we start having entire class sections dedicated to relationships and how to handle a boyfriend/girlfriend. Or how to handle a breakup? Relationships are a very common part of our society, much more common than racism. It seems it would be a better use of our time to promote marriage and family. But we kind of have to pick and choose what we teach in school. We have only so many hours in the day. We should not be relying on the government to teach us EVERHTHING. That's why parents exist. They teach you the things that aren't as black and white. Things beyond 2+2.
@@extremecentrism9796 Why is it we have all this time to teach about how great George Washington is and how Christopher Columbus was a hero but we don't have time to teach about ills that they did, the laws that were implemented against poc, and the effects of that today?
Homegirl went through the entire segment and never gave a single hard, definable example of the problem that she was claiming was happening. I can't possibly be the only one who noticed that.
"She kept saying, 'kids are being taught that their skin color is the only thing that matters' but never explain how or provided an observable instance of that happening.
I applaud Charla for having this conversation, however, he added absolutely nothing to the conversation. We just got the same rhetoric we’ve heard the last 20 years and got it condensed down into 13 minutes
No, Charla did actually add to the conversation when he asked how has this country benefitted the ADOS's as we've lost more than we've gained as a community both psychologically and financially. The problem is that he's hosting and not speaking as you can tell that he has a lot of insight on all of this, but as a host he can't dominate the conversation. He may need to redo this and have a different host while he participates.
He was just bullied the lady trying to catch her saying something wrong so he could make a joke or call her racists.
@@sparklesp9304 none of those things are true. In fact, people who are on the opposing side of the argument often use the progress that ADOS have made since the abolition of slavery as a measuring stick to justify ADOS position and leverage in society today. But because of the people we often have representing us in these conversations usually fall back on tired rhetoric, the best defense they often have is just describing the still present gap of success between blacks and whites, thus giving caucasians the out to chalk it up to classism. My only point in saying all this tho is that we as ADOS have to push forth and represent better arguments than this conversation displayed. With Charla being as “informed” and intelligent as we know him to be, I just expect more from him in these convos
I would have loved the truth about all history when I was in school. Like going back to Columbus. That was a big fat joke. Looking back now most history and truth has been found after we are out of school.
Indeed when it comes to history you usually have to reteach yourself after school
@Shadow Play in the Woods no! What's the title?!
@Shadow Play in the Woods what’s the name of it
I'm for Everything thing y'all said but you GOTTA let everyone finish their thoughts guys.
So you guys knows I had Zero clue this show had its own channel. I’ve been waiting for more episodes to come out on Comedy Central’s Channel, I just happened to specifically look for this, otherwise I would have had zero clue it was all here
This was a terrible terrible conversation. And I’m all for CRT. The reason why she looked like she didn’t have a point was because ctg was not moderating it was two on one and she knew she couldn’t really scream at them.
It does nothing to just preach to the choir. This could’ve been good if they actually let her talk and then let her come to different conclusions because she thought she was part of the conversation….
She didn't have a point
@@PoetPariahMusic So youre saying they didnt really want to hear what she had to say, but expose her.
She didn't have a point as she couldn't clearly explain what SHOULD be taught in the public system other than CRT, and if she was scared to say it because she knew it'd offend them, no amount of moderating would have helped that as I think she was alluding that black history should be taught the way it always has been, which is from a white person's perspective and not the perspectives of those experiencing it. A black person's perspective of anti-black racism will never make her or her children feel good because it doesn't make us feel good.
Michael Forde-What Malcom X say "We sick Boss"
I’ve never heard a solid logical argument against CRT. It’s a comfort issue. And to put it bluntly, one group wants to continue to allow the other group to remain uncomfortable so try hat they don’t lose their abundance of comfort.
CRT views everything through the lens of race and racism. For example, if two people - one black and one white - walk into a clothing store at the same time and the white attendant helps the white person first, CRT views that as racist because the white person was helped first. If the white attendant helps the black patron first that is racist according to CRT logic (or more correctly, illogic) which teaches that the black patron was helped first because he couldn’t be trusted to move around the store unattended.
@@DHFrank Again this is not accurate. CRT is designed to to show that racism is built into the judicial system. Your argument makes no sense. It’s not to make white kids feel guilty about being white. Which is most of the arguments I see. And again it’s not taught in a k-12 setting. Most of these kids wouldn’t understand it if it was taught. Hell half of you adults don’t even understand it 😂😂
@Zero Kool235 I think you’re inaccurate.
“Although CRT began as a movement in the law, it has rapidly spread beyond that discipline.” (Richard Delgado & Dean Stefancic, “Critical Race Theory: An Introduction,” p.2)
CRT is being taught in K-12 public schools:
- A Cupertino, CA elementary school forces third graders to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” They separate the eight-year old children into oppressors and oppressed.
- Buffalo Public Schools teaches students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forces kindergartners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time.
There are many more examples that I can cite. Care to rethink your position?
@@DHFrank and I think you’re a liar. What Cupertino school? See this is what people like you do. You didn’t name anything. You tried to cast yo our net wife and say a Cupertino school . Didn’t name the school or the alleged incident. There’s lots of questions here was this an exercise? Was this used as a teaching tool? Is this all schools? (You not need to answer that it’s rhetorical.) obviously it’s not. Was it brought up in a student board meeting an addressed? Buffalo Public schools? Again what school? what year? If you’re going to make a claim provide a factual example. You know this whole thing is bullshit because because their trying to remove teaching about African American history from schools. It’s the next step. You’re just pandering ideas from the daughters of the confederacy. Nice try though.
@@DHFrank CRT is about law, not ideology. Individual action wouldn't really be an issue in college level courses, and the little CRT that is actually taught in schools usually revolves around the history of slavery in our country, which goes back generations. Your anecdote also assumes both ways of looking at the scenario would lead to the same conclusion: does the store have a history of being racist? How about the employees, maybe theyre having a bad day? Do they work in a bad area? Nothing you said makes any sense.
This conversation needed to be at least three hours with a split panel
Yea this is a good start
Nah kid
@@TheOsk1e declined, adult
Agreed.
Anti CRT is just away to turn the blind eye to injustices and prejudices this country was built on, But what’s new,
Question tho: what kinda jacket does charlamagne have on its fire….. does anybody know ?
Great point about the Haitians
"We didn't invent the lens of race, racists from the past did. So we'll do it too"
Which black people are talking about enslaving white people?
Seems quite a reach trying to equate a complete education with racism from the past.
@@DrSlipperyFist they have no problem teaching black kids in schools that their History started at Slavery.
As others have stated, this would've gone better if Maud had been allowed to speak uninterrupted. Jordan needs to learn how to listen, how to not interrupt, and in general how to have a better CONVERSATION. If Maud had interrupted Jordan the way he interrupted her, I have a strong feeling it wouldn't have been acceptable. I would like to learn more about this topic, unfortunately after 13 minutes of this video I learned nothing.
I had a convo with my state board of education rep. They don’t want CRT taught in school for military purposes. You start telling kids that the ppl they put on pedestals are terrible, now recruitment is down and young men are burning their selective services cards on Instagram.
It would appear to me the young lady's concern was more about how history is taught and the effects it may have on children, in lieu of what history is taught. She agrees that factual history is fine to be taught but, if I'm understanding her correct, she is concern about emphasis being placed on the negative aspects of our past. A past, of course, in which white people may not be painted in the best light, and the effect of it on children.
As soon as an anti-CRT type of person says the word “Divisive” 100% you should already know what time it is.
I caught that. I always thought it was pronounced with a long i. The British might say it differently. So what?
They don’t even let her talk, they just repeat some of their rhetorics but don’t have anything substantial to say
Thank you smh Mr. Know It All was annoying asf
Dude ...she NEVER said a damn thing when she OPENED her MOUTH!! ugh. 🥱
@@sharontrujillo7793 👍🏾.
@@sharontrujillo7793 she was busy tap dancing around why she's against it.
An honest conversation...finally!
✊🏾❤🖤💚
Was Trayvon Martin not in middle school? Black parents have to start early teaching their children how to behave if outside because of the bias that some people have outside in stores or in the police force.
Once again, this is so needed. 💪🏾❤️
The fact that the comedian knows more lol tells you all you have to know
It doesn’t take maximum effort. Just actually read and research lol
Right! Like she was owned by a comedian and she’s a “lawyer”.
@@McCall2007 you can just be educated....something she is trying to stop....and the fact she answered questions the way she did said all u need to know about her education level n like u said "simple search" something she did not do either
Tf did he know? Lol he didn’t really say shit
@@jaeoen5636 WATCH IT AGAIIN.. HE SAID ALOT. Lmaoo
"Would you switch places with a random Black person in America" her facial gesture spoke volumes…
"I'm the Exception, NOT The Rule." If only more people would NOT have to go through life hearing That.
Brave for Ms. Maud Maron to enter the Lion's Den for THIS Level of Conversation.
#ThaGodsHonestTruth.
#HardInterruption.
#ThaGodIsAnException!!!
What is Brave about her going on a show to speak her views?
jordan checked her on everything!!! 🔥
Lenard’s “Would you trade places with a random black person?” question reminded me of the Chris Rock bit about trading places (from 20 years ago):
“Shit, they ain’t a white man in this room that would change places with me. None of you would change places with me - and I’m rich! There’s a white, one-legged busboy in here right now that won’t change places with my black ass. He’s goin’, “Nah man, I wanna ride this white thing out. See where it takes me.”
Reminds me of the African proverb “until the Lion learns how to write, every story will glorify the Hunter”
Jordan Carlos is also a great actor. I did a scene with him in I JUST WANT MY PANT S BACK on MTV. Great perspective Jordan.Thanks! I learn something every time I watch this show.
This was great. I wish it could have been a longer conversation. Also I wanted more dialogue between the two guest. I know it’s tough to sit there and moderate, but hear those two complete their ideas and go back and forth would have been better. I feel my nigga was gonna kill the debate.
But it’s dope that CTG has a platform where the conversation can be had.
She made much sense. Trying to make her feel guilty about the color of her skin is why she has issues with the same rhetoric being taught in schools.
The color of her skin isn't the problem. It's the mentality followed up by the actions that's the problem.
CRT has nothing to do with feelings of guilt. The only reason whites would feel guilt is if identified with losers like robert e lee, rather than John Brown, who was on the right side of history.
@@thecliff4670 thank you
1. No one made her feel guilty. She felt "guilty" prior to coming to the show
2. When American history is taught certain whites feel guilty. That's why they want to forget about the past. Christians don't feel guilty about Oklahoma city. Muslims don't feel guilty about 9/11. 🤔
@@fitawrarifitness6842 well said
This was good, but I just wish they would let her finish her statements. I appreciate opposing views... but at least let the lady defend her position without the cut off jabs. I get it, but ppl really want to know why she has these views
I know it's borderline illegal to say this anymore, but maybe the reason black people don't succeed as well as other people is their culture as a whole.
Maud is there to just say "WE DONT WANNA HURT OUR PRECIOUS other/wink kids Feelings about the truth about their ancestors) That's all, She has no real argument!!!
She had no real argument against it but to conceal the truth of how we got here!
I think maybe they got a bit off topic...my understanding of CRT is that it makes the case that historical racism is embedded in our systems and institutions, the byproduct of which is inequality and a continued impediment for many Blacks in our country from being as successful as their individual talents would allow them to be. Centuries of explicit racism and dehumanization that was woven into the very fabric of every aspect of American life, has led to a lack of empathy, knowledge, understanding and widespread implicit bias that negatively impacts the lives of many Blacks in this country.
Glad to see truth being told. Shout-out to Jordan.
I will say it takes guts for her to go on this platform knowing she would be the lone voice in the room
I got respect 4 her to come on the show
Why do you have respect for her....Please explain
@Gallethies X you might not agree with her, but I think it’s hard in this climate to state her opinion. Not many would be brave enough to so.
My problem with this woman and people like her is she wants to use that cheap argument “oh look Charlamayne you’re successful so therefore America is fine.
The fact that there are successful black people in America does NOT mean that America “the land of freedom” helped them become successful, usually America is the reason it was hard in the first place
Im so confused she doesn't sound against it at all 😂😂😂 she said herself she wants to teach the good and the bad well slavery was 1 of the bad things based on skin color and kids should learn these things
Sadly my 3 yr old who was 1 at the time was treated bad in predominantly white spaces of kids, I do believe some people teach their kids negative stuff. My son was just as natural than any other baby who wanted to play but was treated bad but I stopped it before it could go far.
As a conservative black man this woman got bodied. I give her props for being on the show but Charlemagne and homie came with the facts 💯
Funniest thing about this conversation is that they’re not teaching CRT in K-12! Teaching kids about racism and America’s history with it does not equal CRT.
8:46: Whao nelly. Her face said it all.
She could answered it...and it wouldn't have sounded racist cause she just BSing she know most of us go through so BS she herself couldn't take.
What if she was thinking, "I love my life and I really don't want to trade places with anyone" but knew she couldn't say that for fear of sounding racist? to be fair, none of us know for sure what she was thinking.
I wish they talk about the segregated schools system in nyc and how black schools are under funded and subpar!
Great segment! I kept dying for someone to ask her for an example of what's currently being taught in classrooms that she disagrees with. You hear this all the time from anti-CRT people, "I agree we should teach history as it is, I agree that these issues exists, etc. BUT I don't think CRT should be in schools." What does she actually think is the "critical race theory" being taught in schools? I'd love that question to be answered because I feel like the examples don't actually exist, and that she/other critics just use CRT as a sort of made up figment to have 'something' to fight against.
Critical race theory is for slow people who are ashamed of their color
It's NOT being taught anywhere BUT college...for LAWYERS...do a little research...it's been a political stunt. 🏵️
They don’t like CRT because they are afraid to have to explain their bigotry and racism to their children, and their children can see them for who they really are. Nobody keeps you honest like your child will.
I had to explain to my 3 1/2 year old that she was Black. She was told by one of her classmates that “I don’t share books with black people”. It was devastating because how do you explain to a 3 year old color… The other kid admitted to saying that. Definitely a learned behavior and race needs to be talked about as early as possible.
1st you must understand that she is not black. She has a complexion that is dark olive hue. History has lied about so-called black people are answering to something they are not. The true name is Moabite Moors. There is one race, The Human Race. People are of different NATIONALITIES, colors are not nationalities. White means purity and black means death. Do you see the psychology between those words.
@@cashmerej9665 I get what you’re saying fam. Race is completely made up. Until we decide as a nation to let the idea go we’re still going to be subjected to injustice based on others idea of it.
@@marilynmonheaux I hear you. It's not an injustice, it's called being afraid of the real. Everyone came from one race, and all people from anywhere came from East Africa. North America is West Africa. People are not taught this in order to perpetuate a false history of dominance. Did you know dark skinned people can give birth to light babies, but pink people can not give birth to dark babies? That alone should tell anyone who feels like they are superior the truth right there. Fear is needed for some people. The weak people.
@@cashmerej9665 I get what you’re saying. But there are plenty of white moms with Dark black kids. Have you seen Heidi Klum and Seals kids?
@@marilynmonheaux You are missing the point. Light can not produce dark with both being light. Dark and dark can produce light, but 2 pinks can not produce dark.
As I have been told many years ago. When someone is telling you something and then they say...BUT, everything they said before that "but" is a lie and everything after it is their true feelings. Keep that in mind when you listen to this "conversation"
There should be a word for race simping. This talk doesn't seem to have been conducted with good faith for all parties.
Can we let the woman finish a thought so we can understand her perspective? Very good points by Jordan.
I want y’all to remember these poor kids will still be poor after they learn CRT
Whats annoying about this is he said one successful black person like he's the only one there's millions of black people out there living the American dream me included mad annoying
That’s not what he said, that’s what you heard. They named off successful black people like President Obama, Oprah, Beyoncé.
They aren't even teaching simple black history in a lot of schools, smh 🤦🏾♀️
she don’t care about that part lol
@@livefromplanetearth not at all. She probably doesn't even know what "black history" is.
Great show Charlemagne 👍🏿
No it shouldn’t be taught. But the education system is a joke, so it makes sense that it would be taught there.
If you’re able, protect your children by homeschooling them.
If Charlamagne and Jordan were more interested in something other then scoring "black points" this could have been a really good conversation. We could have learned Maud's approach to teaching children history without the CRT syllabi. This was really a missed opportunity.
Definitely a missed opportunity.
a brief paraphrasing of her stance against CRT:
“much vague. very deflects. such pale fragility.”
If anything this video makes me more against CRT
Black people need our own schools. School does nothing but defeat and dispel Blackness and this woman is a proponent of that system.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 "black people need our own schools" it's a shame that we've come along so far to try to integrate only to find that voluntary segregation is being reviewed as a viable solution. It's saddening, but what else is being done?
@@DaBaSoftware it's a shame Blacks are violated on a daily basis by devils. Place your comments in the right place. I'm not talking segregation, that's just a fiefdom where someone still owns the land you live on and you still owe them for living on it. I'm talking about Separation. Don't have to stay in a marriage with a psychopath for 400 to realize they aren't changing. Peace
@@theconsciousobserver6829 the fact that you think you have the capacity to judge where my comment belongs tells me you're out of touch. Bye.
Great job Charlemagne. The comedian was smart, articulate and informed. Maud was brave. Let's continue the conversation.
THIS is a perfect and fantastic conversation that needs to happen way more often until they finally start to get it and make things right 💯💯
You can’t expect understanding from those who willfully benefit from your oppression. 💯
@@H-Bomb_DaDonDaDa 💯💯
Who do you mean when you say they?
Who is "they" , and what needs to take place to "make things right"?
I was uncomfortable for tht woman lol I would of liked to have heard what she had to say without her being interrupted but this was a great conversation.
Her facial expression 😯😯😯😯😯
You guys cut off her quite a bit….you should have given her a clear chance to define what CRT is for K-12.
It seems like her definition is that k-12 teaches kids to negatively see the differences between each other based on race. This doesn’t make sense because viewing history with a racial lense has nothing to do with how kids see their peers or race. Rather, it helps provide context as to why things are the way they are today. If the fear is “white guilt”….then that’s ok. White guilt is an immature but reasonable response to becoming aware of America’s treatment of Blacks. If learning is the goal, these white kids will realize that they can refocus this guilt to be part of change that works to makes this country its best self.
The most confusing aspect of “anti-CRT” is that it’s actually not true that k-12 is teaching meaningful or even accurate history when it comes to race. Teaching on these matters are sorely lacking. In many southern states America history re: race is whitewashed facts to maintain racial hierarchy. While not always knowingly, Liberals (see Joe Rogan, Bill Maher, Joe Biden) and conservatives a like are deeply vested maintaining the generally narrative that the past is the past and we all need to move on and not work to improve or atone for atrocities of the past.
Whenever you look at where people stand on an issue or policy, always look at who the policy or issue benefits and who it hurts. That will tell you a lot about the person and their motivations/values. If we are defining CRT as awareness or dare I say “wokeness” of race while teach history or social issues, who does it really hurt to not have these conversations and who does it benefit?
What about the 3/5 compromise? Nice.
What about Red Lining, newly (trying to get enacted) Crown Laws, hell the Damn Historical Mistreatment of the Medical Field that's literally got some black people hesitant from getting the vaccination?
@@whodat4lyfekris the same vaccine all the white people got?
@@apoc5000 White people may get the vaccine, it's possible they would inject Black people with something else. It's clearly happened before.
@@joypeaceandhappiness1501 but all the black people that have gotten the vaccine thus far are ok. Covid continues to decimate the unvaccinated
@@apoc5000 1. Don't ever speak on the medical history of an entire race of people. 2. All black people who have gotten the covid vaccine have not been ok.
I truly understand where she’s coming from..
Wasn't a fair Convo at all but hey 🤷🏾♂️. Idk what kind schools y'all went to but i learned very young about slavery, Columbus, the presidents. I went to a school with used/pages missing from the late 70s early 80s (I'm 33 now). The thing is I actually read other books. All the info you want if published somewhere. If any of you are worried about what your children are learning, we all are using the same internet. Information had never been more readily available.
Same
Indeed, I wish she had a bit more backbone and came prepared with a list of items to discuss. The lawyers I'm around are very good debaters. Oh well, don't think she will be coming back, lol.
From what I understood of Maud's stance against CRT is that learning about racial differences in Kindergarten shouldn't be taught. Kids of different skin colors don't really see it or maybe they don't care. To a small degree, I agree with her. Most young children see another child as someone to play with, they just don't look as they do. But, the conversation does come up. Questions are asked about why they are different. Politics and racism aren't in those unaffected minds, unless there are negative influences from home that those little innocent minds dwell within. Kids being kids repeat what is heard at home. The first my identity was presented to me in a negative way was in Kindergarten. I was called Black by the friend of my White friend. I didn't understand it then, but I knew that I was insulted. This wasn't the South where Jim Crow was prevalent. This was in Hawaii. Also, as I grew up learning about the Founding Fathers, we were not taught anything about the negativity of them. George Washington, a great general and President. Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity while flying a kite. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. I didn't find out about their humanity until much later. Surely didn't learn about how they owned slaves. Depending on how it is taught for each age to comprehend, students should learn all of its history. During my elementary time, we were only told the nice parts. Yet, still having to understand the realities of living in society.
Can they just ask her to acknowledge that her view of CRT being overwhelmingly negative is steeped in her own privilege? Like maybe this makes you uncomfortable because you were learned about all the “good” and none of the bad?
A very simple solution and reply to her comment of"... ONLY look at it through the lens of race..." is to say the following, or something along the lines of, "Race is ONE of the many lenses through which our society compartmentalized its people". Her perspective is that she feels kids are being taught to ONLY look at race. From my understanding CRT is wanting to ADD race to the mix of lenses through which we teach kids about the world - or at least it should be.
The above is largely a biological/mental capacity thing. We categorize people by height, sexual orientation, sex, hair, skin tone, location of birth, (city, neighborhood, state, county). Our brains do a lot of work to dumb down/filter things around us and mostly feed us what we need. Do this little exercise: pick a location that you are often in (work, home or public) Think about the things you generally hear at that location. Then try going back, closing your eyes, and focusing on all the different sounds. You will find that there are many more than what you are used to... your brain filters those out. Much like our brain, automatically goes, white, black, boy, girl, car, tree... just to simplify things. I meant our brain is not constantly thinking about the entire story of "girl" or all the leaves/branches of "tree" or all the inner workings of "car" constantly. So adding these complex ideas to RACE is not a stretch, I somewhat understand why it may make people uncomfortable, but its part of life, it'd be weird not to talk about it.
Charlemagne reminds me of a cat. Lol
Yeah, he is a cat alright... a Black Panther!!
Me too. I love to look at him. He looks like a panther.