That applies to any streamer and network. Most stuff is garbage and it's an exception when something is great. Netflix can produce the most W888 garbage but also produce shows that are amazing. Same applies to Amazon. The only streamer that actually have more "quality" than not is AppleTV+ to be honest, and of course HBO.
In the Fallout games, there are some places that are clean or even immaculate, but that is definitely the exception and not the rule. Only the ultra wealthy can afford luxury.
Are you sure you're not conflating "lore" with the god awful Bethesda Creation Engine? Bethesda couldn't do "proper" hi-res post-Apocalypse, even if they tried!
@@Thagomizer And this is taking place in the Boneyard, which the NCR and the Followers of the Apocalypse have been rebuilding for over a hundred years. They've re-established universities, even.
@@schemage2210 The aesthetic in the game is nonsensical (thinking Fall Out 4) while I agree with this aesthetic looks too prop like and poorly thought out, that is true to the source material.
That'd cost you ever seeing Reacher or Jack Ryan or the first season of The Boys or The Terminal List though. Prime is hit and miss, not always miss...
@@mattp6089 I’ve seen their dei list and wheel of time that’s more than enough to know they are incapable of producing any art and that I should stay far away from any shows they are making
@@mattp6089 It's more a matter of how much *control* Amazon has over the production. Are they simply another investor? Or do they have creative control, as with Rings of Power and Wheel of Time? If they have creative control, you'd be best off to expect it to be garbage. That way, they can't disappoint you, and you might be pleasantly surprised.
_Tales from the Loop_ is fantastic… I get the impression that Amazon gives a lot of freedom to their production teams, rather than micro-managing everything… so the quality of their shows and movies varies with the talent of the people making them 🤷🏻♂️
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@@GrueTurtle Agreed. That's fair. The writing is actually decent but Emil obviously has ADHD and it shows. That's not a dig at him, it's too many ideas and not wanting to forget them. I'm glad it's good. Todd pulled it off as well as Nolan.
So happy to see that the show was received so well! It’s seriously one of the best shows that I’ve seen in a long time and I can’t wait for the next season.
"I just haven't played them a lot, Fallout New Vegas is the only one I've spent a large amount of time playing" - Well, NV is by far the best of the first-person Fallout games, so your perspective going into it is just fine, trust me. Fallout 1 & 2 from the 90s are Diablo-style games and much more numbers-based RPGs. Most gamers younger than GenX haven't played them, and they're not everyone's cup of tea anyway.
Fallout 1 and 2 are not diablo like games or number based,they re just turn bases and are much more bleak than bethesda games just take a listen to the ost.
@@Mr_D-o-proprio I meant in terms of the isometric view, menus and clicking, as well as the stats. There's more to all of that than the Bethesda "skill point" garbage.
When I was a kid, hearing "the book was better" was something I heard a million times. The mind boggling truth is that they actually do WORSE when they convert video games into movies-- and both games and movies are visual mediums! It takes effort to screw up converting a game into movie, true arrogance and effort.
Maybe she's supposed to be fresh out of the vault? Idk haven't looked into this much and am hoping it doesn't suck! However when it comes to Hollywood and Washington DC I'm used to being disappointed!
Lauren, you played the best of the modern Fallout games - New Vegas - the one that Bethesda didn't do. I liked the trailer well enough. Much of the aesthetic and the music were there. But I just can't convince myself to subscribe to Prime again to watch this. That dialogue you showed from 4:00 to 5:00 - maybe Lucy's Charisma stat is too low right now and she needs to level up for her lines to get better. I also keep going back to the fact that Jonathan Nolan is running this. I don't trust him to run anything long term. Yes, he did Person of Interest, but his resume compared to many other big players in the production/writing space is still pretty limited. He started off Westworld with a bang, then only ran the show in name as it crashed and burned (I guess his wife was running things, which is why it went the way it did) while he basically jumped ship after Season 1 to start work on the Fallout show. The success he had with the Batman films was because his brother was a big influence. He seems to work best when there's defined rules, like a network TV show, a box that keeps him in line. Also, this depends on how much influence Todd Howard had on it, in which I mean, hopefully he didn't have much. There is some disagreement in the Fallout community over this show. Especially since there is already a contingent who hates the Bethesda entries and only likes the first two games, made by Interplay, which have a very different feel (and approach to gameplay). Bethesda took the series into the first player POV, and alot of imagery is associated with them, but a lot of people hate Todd Howard now (especially since Starfield came out. It's kind of a mixed bag of responses when you cruise around Reddit. "Cautiously optimistic" is the best way to describe my own feelings, and probably many others.
I just stick with my original ideal, "Expect the best, but plan for the worst." I still have New Vegas, Fallout 4, Fallout 3 and Fallout 76 if this movie bombs.😁
He didn't say he wasn't going to be faithful to the source material, he just acknowledged that he couldn't please every fan. You mischaracterized a lot.
I have had an off an on argument about the characters being too clean. It really DOES look like CW level costuming...and this comes from a guy who spent the last decade working on CW crap.
@@maximumcarnage2077To confirm then, in effect: Take a property that people love, but then change it because you know better than the people who love it. Nope. I wholeheartedly disagree with your very premise.
You have literally no idea about the Fallout universe. The show is set 219 YEARS after the nuclear war!!! The civilisation has rebuilt - they literally have working casinos and amusement parks. In Fallout New Vegas - Las Vegas was barely harmed by WW3 and has multiple working casinos, restaurants, bordels and Mr. House the owner of all that is still alive - he keeps himself alive with sci-fi life support systems for over 200 YEARS. People DO have soap and water in the post apocalypse!!!
@@guyjperson you whole heartedly disagree with characters being clean? Let me ask you, ever wonder why your character remains dirty after swimming in a lake or river in any Bethesda games? Being clean completely changes the intellectual property?
I'll judge the show when I see it. I have seen a lot of click baiters trying to talk down the show because of some comments they cannot seem to understand the context of. Especially the one where Nolan said he's not making the show to try and please all fans. He is NOT saying he won't be faithful. He just says that you cannot please everyone and their own take on a show/book/game etc. So he is a fan himself of the games. So he is making it how he saw it and try to accomplish that. The reality is that is what all show creators, movie directors do. Denis Villeneuve did Dune HIS way. Look how that turned out. I haven't seen anything in the trailers so far that show anything bad. In fact there is a lot of fan details in it only people that game know about. He has some detail in there down to the nuts and bolts. Nolan made "Person of Interest and Westworld".. Both were great shows. Anything red flag wouldn't really be him but only the FORCED crap any creator is put through by the big wigs as the "rules". This guy sets out to make good shows, not some agenda stuff. But all we can do is watch it and then judge.
Glad to see people drumming up nontroversy on this one. Jonathan Nolan clearly has love for the series and is a fan of the games. The trailers are great. Ella Purnell is super talented and has her credentials with arcane. The sets don't look bad at all. Walton Goggins is going to destroy no matter what and generally picks worthy projects. This show is the least of my worries when we have shows like Halo.
As a diehard Fallout fan I hope it's good. But it's also Amazon. I've seen what they did with Wheel of Time and Rings of prime. Also director said he didn't want to please fans.
Nice catch Lauren! I knew something was off but could not put my finger on it. It looks like a performance you would watch at Universal Studeos in the 90s. It reminds me of studio backlots used in sitcoms where the curbs are all sharp and everything has that painted wooden facade look.
I had the same reaction as well. I thought it was gonna be like connected with the games but it turns out it’s 10 years after fallout four after fallout new Vegas and after fallout one and two and three.
*Fans* _noun, plural_ : A guaranteed audience for an existing IP. A metaphorical double-edged sword due to the financial impact of deliberately disappointing them.
You don't want it too serious, though. We are talking about a franchise with entries like Mothership Zeta, Old World Blues, and Nuka-World. It should look more Mad Max, as that was a big influence for the franchise.
Since you said you played New Vegas, that's the area where this is set, well CA I think. The New California Republic (NCR) is a functioning govt. so most likely there are people who can get new clothes. So everyone wouldn't look like homeless people. I think the dialogue with Lucy(?) is to try and show that the people in the Vaults are naive. My only problem is that they don't have a ton of security with guns drawn when they open the Vault. That makes no sense.
8:00 - THAT is exactly the reason that all movies and TV shows are flops now. Creators are no longer making things for the fans, but for themselves. Its not working but their narcissism is so great they can't see that its them that's the problem, so the fans get blamed. But in their own words they weren't trying to please the fans anyway. 😥
I was excited for Fallout TV show but... To many adaptations lately have been abmismal and the show runners keep bragging about how they ignored the source material. So while I want a great show, I am remaining suspect until it actually drops. To many times Trailers show all of the good parts and nothing else holds up.
I get that there's a line between fans and norms. I shall get that a creator cannot pander.... in fact I respect that. It depends if you are deliberately hating what the fans want....
I won't forgive Amazon for canning The Peripheral so that Nolan and Joy could do this instead. As for the tone, it is certainly possible to do offbeat/odd, psycho, sci fi. But you have to be excellent at your craft. Terry Gilliam springs to mind, likewise The Expanse creators. I do NOT include S2 onwards of Westworld.
If they were as serious as The Walking Dead shows with how authentic their practical effects looked then I could take them seriously, but the gender swap was the first sign they weren't serious.
@@voiceofraisin3778 Think he's stating that the canon versions of game's player character is the default male in character creator. Or the one seen in trailers. Character creator would be there gameplay wise but when a game references a past player character they refer to said character as "He". Though I don't take take bethesda canon as true 100% canon. I play mostly argonians in elder scrolls games therefore I declare all chosen ones as argonians! But yea I see no issue for the TV show main character being a woman. I won't watch it unless the reviews are mostly good. People's main fears is if its a mary sue girl boss who constantly talks bad about men or out does them in everything. But bethesda 100% shit on the lore for calling the show canon.
@@voiceofraisin3778then why tf couldn't they do something different than what everyone else is doing and make the character male? Let's not fool ourselves.....we all know this is gonna be terrible.
I have high expectations as well. The first season was fantastic, but let’s hope they don’t screw it up like they did to Halo and other video games TV shows and movies they screwed up the other streaming services I mean.
A Fallout series has so much potential so I really hope it is good. It probably won't be though. Also, thank you for bringing attention to games news Lauren! Fallout: New Vegas is such an amazing game!
I think Lucy having a stilted speech is a good thing because she sounds like someone reading a vault tec script to solve disputes in a vault. Not someone who is seasoned at this point with the real world outside
@@SargonDestroyerofWorlds valid point but I believe context is going to be key to the movie. Like the jet pack to the power armor is very similar to how it felt to use in the games. Clunky and nearly pointless
To be fair there's a lot in it that is encouraging if you ask me. One thing I give credence to is people claiming that LA should be about the most well-developed part of the wasteland by now, which if that's right, means they haven't gone deep on the lore. Nailed the visuals if you ask me at least, and the trailer feels right for Fallout. Perhaps they should have chosen somewhere in the US about which there is little to no knowledge under the current lore.
Her dialogue is meant to be naive. There are absolutely red flags but what she says is what a vault dweller would say in their first encounter with the violent wastelands. If the writing is good, she'll quickly learn that violence is the language of the world now.
I totally agree. Everything I’ve seen of her character so far seems perfectly in line with what I would expect a newly emerged vault dweller to behave like.
@UPedits... They didn't say much and it depended on the vault. It reminds me of the FO2 opening, wear protective Eyewear, etc. And the family of vault dwellers waving at the Enclave before getting slaughtered by them. Don't get it twisted, the show may be garbage and as a fan of the whole series, I am not expecting much. It's just her dialog in this particular scene fits imho.
They got the tone all wrong. It's supposed to be "dark and gritty with horror-like themes; everything in the wasteland wants to kill you while wearing a mask of jovial, innocent humor followed with brief glimpses of reprieve". Not "wanna be cartoon for kids with possible danger sometimes".
It looks great with 3 exceptions; The Prydwen style airship needs a dang good explanation, The size of the brotherhood needs one as well and The NCR best not be neglected As for the fan pleasing thing it actually makes perfect sense when a tv show needs to appeal to general audiences as well and the show needs to be like baby steps to introduce the idea of Fallout to that audience and not be ham fisted which would leave them potentially uninterested…. Or lost in the sauce Fallout has a huge community but it’s nothing compared to the wider non gamer audience
If I was a showrunner I'd be begging the PR department to release a First Look of like a fight scene or maybe the ACTUAL first few minutes of the show. To get people interested, but that cringy dialogue scene with the horrendous Obadiah Iron Man filtered power armor is insane. I hope im wrong
Westworld was literally an amusement park and failed on season 2 miserable. So he probably forgot he making a different show and making same Nukeworld.
The only red flag for me is how matte everything looks. The games have that awfully shiny plastic look to it that I couldn’t stand looking at (sometimes feeling grossed out) but still playing for a decade now lol
Respectfully, Lauren, you have to consider that the people who claim to have their art or finished product be something that was primarily created to make themselves happy include people like John Musker and Ron Clements, the Directors of Aladdin, Khaled Hossein, author of The Kite Runner, JK Rowling, Bruce Lee and Olivia Rodrigo. And, even though Olivia Rodrigo is a pro-choice, teen bopper, Good 4 u is still quite catchy. So people writing for themselves is something that many good artists have done, and that, ironically, can make for a good finished product. And I understand his sentiments, because in a day and age where having a straight, white man who's competent and conventionally masculine can get you labelled as someone who advocates for toxic masculinity, and, on the other hand, even having a black mermaid (who is a mythical creature and half-fish) can get a trailer a lot more dislikes than likes (if you consider that the Original Disney movie is already a huge deviation from mermaid lore, which is dark) then it's understandable that he wanted to take a step back from people who are so immersed in the culture war (and horny to hate on stuff) in order to make something good. A lot of art comes from the soul of the artist/s, and depth of expression and intuitive precision can be lost if you try to please others at the expense of the soul of your art, honesty and authenticity. So I'm (very cautiously) optimistic. “Art reaches its greatest peak when devoid of self-conciousness. Freedom discovers man the moment he loses concern over what impression he is making or about to make.” - Bruce Lee
You need to wait until the final comes out. Optics and lens effects can bring it all together. This is a raw cut and can tell from the frame rate. It’s too high, again I will wait until it comes out.
Back in late nineties I was playing fallout games non-stop, thinking about how badass a movie or show would be. I finally got it, and I'm not gonna watch it.
@@gorbitroph They are in NCR territory, probably have running water and soap, this is how we know she didn't pay attention to anything about Fallout when she played. Just piggybacking off the hate for views. Glasses is too good? Oh and the people look clean? In NCR Territory? The most rebuilt civilization in Fallout.
I think she’s supposed to be reading from a script, like reciting something from the Vault handbook on “How to deal with hostiles” or something like that. I think the cheesiness is intentional, so I’m not worried yet.
Nolan means mass appeal isnt going to be his main priority. He wants to make it for the fans. He acknowledging satisfying all of them is impossible and it'll hinder his ability to make a good show.
The way I see it is that there’s a lot of fans of the fallout series that have a lot of very valid problems and worries about the fallout TV show since it stated that it’s fallout five basically meaning that anything that happens in the show is what happens It’s not no silver timeline or anything else it’s the main timeline.
The only 'green flag' people seem to be able to come up with is the fact that it looks exactly like the world of Fallout. But remember that the Star Wars sequels and TV shows all looked like Star Wars in aesthetic. The aesthetics of these shows and films have never been the real problem. These people are actually quite good at taking aesthetics of existing IPs to use as skinsuits for their message. It's what's underneath that they subvert and twist and I'd be pleasantly surprised if that's not the case here. All I see are a bunch of Current Thing Californians walking around on a Fallout set.
I've been a fallout fan for a long time now, and I'll be honest: I wasn't excited for a single second when I heard a Fallout show was getting made. After seeing example after example of good things getting obliterated by Hollywood adaptations, the only thing I thought was "I wonder how they're gonna fuck this up"
I feel like she's speaking like she's following a manual. She read a protocol for dealing with hostile encounters, but has not had any. I'm nervous about this show, but not full-on panicked. I'm going to give it a shot and we'll see what happens.
I'm hoping this show is good. It looks good. I like to treat these things as their own shows because if you do a 1:1 remake, it'll always end up in disaster.
People getting angry at costumes u do know there is a lot of abraxo cleaner in fallout games so these people clearly was their clothes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣eish what has this world come too there is also soap for them to clean the glasses. As for the dialogue it is not that bad seriously for someone who literally is brand new to the outside world.
Yes, they do have abraxo cleaner and wash their clothes. They also leave 200 year old corpses lying around everywhere and even sleep next to them😆 the Railroad HQ always makes me laugh.
All you need to know is how Todd Howard was not massively on the campaign trail for months prior to the leadup. While I'm sure he's happy his game got made into a movie and the royalties it surely brought him, You can tell he's not that hyped for the story.
I will say he is at least a fan. A lot of the ones that fail are people who hate the source material and want to change it. I am a huge Fallout 3 fan and started playing it again recently, also introducing it to my oldest son. I am at least hopeful it will be good.
The thing is. . . if you know the Fallout games, then you should know that they're wonderfully designed to be adaptable to however you want to play them. So, a screenplay for Fallout 4 or 3 can go many ways. My character in Fallout 4 destroyed the Institute and the Brotherhood of Steel Ship. I'm sure many went the other way or another way. So, there is no correct answer. So, being "true to the game" is very nuanced. I'll give the series a shot with that in mind.
They’re going the fallout 4 “Bethesda” franchise look. It’s a parody that can’t decide if it’s trying to tell a serious story or act as casual entertainment New Vegas was made by some of the original 2 games developers, they had a vastly different vision for the series
Why is the Vault Dweller talking like she's a member of Vault Tec? She sounds like a saleswoman rather than a normal Vault Dweller, is that part of her character?
Fallout has almost always been the "pretty/clean" post apocalypse world. Compare it to stalker, metro or mad max and the difference is crystal clear (pun intended). It's like the americanized-idolized vision of post apocalypse.
The first red flag is that it's on Amazon. Good shows on Amazon are the exception, not the rule.
Amazon is the first one. Second one is this smells of F4 vibes. That is a second one.
That applies to any streamer and network. Most stuff is garbage and it's an exception when something is great. Netflix can produce the most W888 garbage but also produce shows that are amazing. Same applies to Amazon.
The only streamer that actually have more "quality" than not is AppleTV+ to be honest, and of course HBO.
Amazon has a few good shows. Not sure what you’re talking about.
Terminal LIst, Reacher, The Expanse, trying to think of more...oh yeah, Jack Ryan wasn't bad.
FALLOUT SERIES FEMINIST
She tried to pass a Speech check without any points in Charisma
In the Fallout games, there are some places that are clean or even immaculate, but that is definitely the exception and not the rule. Only the ultra wealthy can afford luxury.
Are you sure you're not conflating "lore" with the god awful Bethesda Creation Engine? Bethesda couldn't do "proper" hi-res post-Apocalypse, even if they tried!
Vault City and the NCR capital come to mind.
@@Thagomizer And this is taking place in the Boneyard, which the NCR and the Followers of the Apocalypse have been rebuilding for over a hundred years. They've re-established universities, even.
@@schemage2210 The aesthetic in the game is nonsensical (thinking Fall Out 4) while I agree with this aesthetic looks too prop like and poorly thought out, that is true to the source material.
@@ThagomizerSan Francisco is nice.
The old lady looks like Mrs. Doubtfire.
More like Dame Edna!
It being on Amazon is the only red flag I need
That'd cost you ever seeing Reacher or Jack Ryan or the first season of The Boys or The Terminal List though. Prime is hit and miss, not always miss...
@@mattp6089 I’ve seen their dei list and wheel of time that’s more than enough to know they are incapable of producing any art and that I should stay far away from any shows they are making
@@mattp6089 It's more a matter of how much *control* Amazon has over the production.
Are they simply another investor? Or do they have creative control, as with Rings of Power and Wheel of Time?
If they have creative control, you'd be best off to expect it to be garbage.
That way, they can't disappoint you, and you might be pleasantly surprised.
Why?
_Tales from the Loop_ is fantastic…
I get the impression that Amazon gives a lot of freedom to their production teams, rather than micro-managing everything… so the quality of their shows and movies varies with the talent of the people making them 🤷🏻♂️
It doesnt matter.
Stop giving money to people that hate you.
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Shut up. If they make good content I'm gonna watch it. There's no people who don't 'hate you' making anything worth watching either
@@__keys Then at least pirate it, don't pay for it.
I shall watch it, illegally.
Fallout is my favorite. I hope it doesnt suck.
It will suck but this series will provide some months of entertainment on youtube. I can hardly wait...
Oh, it will. One look at the latest trailer and i can only say... 'failure'.
Don't worry, it will. 😢
It doesn't. It has some flaws, but it's a solid 8/10 imo
@@GrueTurtle Agreed. That's fair. The writing is actually decent but Emil obviously has ADHD and it shows. That's not a dig at him, it's too many ideas and not wanting to forget them. I'm glad it's good. Todd pulled it off as well as Nolan.
It’s Amazon.
It’s not a surprise anymore.
I’ll be more surprised if it’s good. They did a decent job with Reacher but that’s it.
@@greysfreak1992 it’s just ok…
The super solider beating small town crooks gets repetitive after a while.
Season 2 was better.
So happy to see that the show was received so well! It’s seriously one of the best shows that I’ve seen in a long time and I can’t wait for the next season.
It still could be her arc.
They also said something about hard choices. She may not have had to solve a trolley problem at this point.
"I just haven't played them a lot, Fallout New Vegas is the only one I've spent a large amount of time playing" - Well, NV is by far the best of the first-person Fallout games, so your perspective going into it is just fine, trust me. Fallout 1 & 2 from the 90s are Diablo-style games and much more numbers-based RPGs. Most gamers younger than GenX haven't played them, and they're not everyone's cup of tea anyway.
Fallout 1 and 2 are not diablo like games or number based,they re just turn bases and are much more bleak than bethesda games just take a listen to the ost.
@@Mr_D-o-proprio I meant in terms of the isometric view, menus and clicking, as well as the stats. There's more to all of that than the Bethesda "skill point" garbage.
4 was much weaker than 3 and NV, imo
All signs point to (shakes magic 8 ball) YES
When I was a kid, hearing "the book was better" was something I heard a million times. The mind boggling truth is that they actually do WORSE when they convert video games into movies-- and both games and movies are visual mediums!
It takes effort to screw up converting a game into movie, true arrogance and effort.
Maybe she's supposed to be fresh out of the vault? Idk haven't looked into this much and am hoping it doesn't suck! However when it comes to Hollywood and Washington DC I'm used to being disappointed!
Lauren, you played the best of the modern Fallout games - New Vegas - the one that Bethesda didn't do.
I liked the trailer well enough. Much of the aesthetic and the music were there. But I just can't convince myself to subscribe to Prime again to watch this. That dialogue you showed from 4:00 to 5:00 - maybe Lucy's Charisma stat is too low right now and she needs to level up for her lines to get better.
I also keep going back to the fact that Jonathan Nolan is running this. I don't trust him to run anything long term. Yes, he did Person of Interest, but his resume compared to many other big players in the production/writing space is still pretty limited. He started off Westworld with a bang, then only ran the show in name as it crashed and burned (I guess his wife was running things, which is why it went the way it did) while he basically jumped ship after Season 1 to start work on the Fallout show. The success he had with the Batman films was because his brother was a big influence. He seems to work best when there's defined rules, like a network TV show, a box that keeps him in line.
Also, this depends on how much influence Todd Howard had on it, in which I mean, hopefully he didn't have much.
There is some disagreement in the Fallout community over this show. Especially since there is already a contingent who hates the Bethesda entries and only likes the first two games, made by Interplay, which have a very different feel (and approach to gameplay). Bethesda took the series into the first player POV, and alot of imagery is associated with them, but a lot of people hate Todd Howard now (especially since Starfield came out. It's kind of a mixed bag of responses when you cruise around Reddit. "Cautiously optimistic" is the best way to describe my own feelings, and probably many others.
I just stick with my original ideal, "Expect the best, but plan for the worst." I still have New Vegas, Fallout 4, Fallout 3 and Fallout 76 if this movie bombs.😁
He didn't say he wasn't going to be faithful to the source material, he just acknowledged that he couldn't please every fan. You mischaracterized a lot.
I have had an off an on argument about the characters being too clean. It really DOES look like CW level costuming...and this comes from a guy who spent the last decade working on CW crap.
Don’t sweat the characters being clean. What you should be asking is why every Bethesda game forces the characters to remain dirty!
@@maximumcarnage2077To confirm then, in effect: Take a property that people love, but then change it because you know better than the people who love it.
Nope. I wholeheartedly disagree with your very premise.
You have literally no idea about the Fallout universe. The show is set 219 YEARS after the nuclear war!!! The civilisation has rebuilt - they literally have working casinos and amusement parks. In Fallout New Vegas - Las Vegas was barely harmed by WW3 and has multiple working casinos, restaurants, bordels and Mr. House the owner of all that is still alive - he keeps himself alive with sci-fi life support systems for over 200 YEARS. People DO have soap and water in the post apocalypse!!!
@@guyjperson there are ghousands of people perfectly clean in Bethesda Fallout games.
@@guyjperson you whole heartedly disagree with characters being clean? Let me ask you, ever wonder why your character remains dirty after swimming in a lake or river in any Bethesda games? Being clean completely changes the intellectual property?
I'll judge the show when I see it. I have seen a lot of click baiters trying to talk down the show because of some comments they cannot seem to understand the context of.
Especially the one where Nolan said he's not making the show to try and please all fans. He is NOT saying he won't be faithful. He just says that you cannot please everyone and their own take on a show/book/game etc. So he is a fan himself of the games. So he is making it how he saw it and try to accomplish that. The reality is that is what all show creators, movie directors do.
Denis Villeneuve did Dune HIS way. Look how that turned out.
I haven't seen anything in the trailers so far that show anything bad. In fact there is a lot of fan details in it only people that game know about. He has some detail in there down to the nuts and bolts.
Nolan made "Person of Interest and Westworld".. Both were great shows.
Anything red flag wouldn't really be him but only the FORCED crap any creator is put through by the big wigs as the "rules". This guy sets out to make good shows, not some agenda stuff.
But all we can do is watch it and then judge.
the biggest red flag for me is when i noticed that the guy in power suit flew without jets...
I'm several episodes in. It's surprisingly good so far.
Glad to see people drumming up nontroversy on this one. Jonathan Nolan clearly has love for the series and is a fan of the games. The trailers are great. Ella Purnell is super talented and has her credentials with arcane. The sets don't look bad at all. Walton Goggins is going to destroy no matter what and generally picks worthy projects. This show is the least of my worries when we have shows like Halo.
As a diehard Fallout fan I hope it's good. But it's also Amazon. I've seen what they did with Wheel of Time and Rings of prime. Also director said he didn't want to please fans.
and OMG the Cyclops having 2 eyebrows is funny WTF are you on about, thats the right kind of humour for Fallout
Nice catch Lauren! I knew something was off but could not put my finger on it. It looks like a performance you would watch at Universal Studeos in the 90s. It reminds me of studio backlots used in sitcoms where the curbs are all sharp and everything has that painted wooden facade look.
I've watched the whole show with very low expectations, turns out it's pretty good :)
I had the same reaction as well. I thought it was gonna be like connected with the games but it turns out it’s 10 years after fallout four after fallout new Vegas and after fallout one and two and three.
You came to Maui ? Thank you I’ll look for your video
I really want to know what she thinks of Fallout now that it is a hit.
maybe they are trying to emulate the 50-60 series feel?
*Fans* _noun, plural_ : A guaranteed audience for an existing IP. A metaphorical double-edged sword due to the financial impact of deliberately disappointing them.
Needs more Book of Eli vibes. Less toy story vibes. I dont think ima like it.
Basically you're saying make it more for men. They won't
@@rp-2f no I didn't say that. Weird.
You don't want it too serious, though. We are talking about a franchise with entries like Mothership Zeta, Old World Blues, and Nuka-World. It should look more Mad Max, as that was a big influence for the franchise.
@@hyper8545 So making a franchise that is predominately played and viewed by men for men is weird? Idk man the new generation are weird
@@GeofryMasters i also didn't say that weird cringe sht. Ew.
Since you said you played New Vegas, that's the area where this is set, well CA I think. The New California Republic (NCR) is a functioning govt. so most likely there are people who can get new clothes. So everyone wouldn't look like homeless people.
I think the dialogue with Lucy(?) is to try and show that the people in the Vaults are naive. My only problem is that they don't have a ton of security with guns drawn when they open the Vault. That makes no sense.
Writers should never write just for themselves. This is a business and a successful business fills a demand. It cannot be a tool to fuel your own ego.
Walton Goggins is a plus, everything else seems to be a minus.
8:00 - THAT is exactly the reason that all movies and TV shows are flops now. Creators are no longer making things for the fans, but for themselves. Its not working but their narcissism is so great they can't see that its them that's the problem, so the fans get blamed. But in their own words they weren't trying to please the fans anyway. 😥
I was excited for Fallout TV show but... To many adaptations lately have been abmismal and the show runners keep bragging about how they ignored the source material. So while I want a great show, I am remaining suspect until it actually drops. To many times Trailers show all of the good parts and nothing else holds up.
FYI, no. The show rocks. One of the best video game adaptation.
I get that there's a line between fans and norms. I shall get that a creator cannot pander.... in fact I respect that.
It depends if you are deliberately hating what the fans want....
I think it will be fine. Jonathan Nolan directed Person of Interest, which was an excellent show.
tbf The girl in the vault uniform isn't supposed to look weathered. She's lived in a sterile lab type setting underground
Amazon Prime having their hands on Fallout, almost makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter.
Who has “110lbs woman killing a deathclaw with their bare hands while male sidekick cowers” on their DEI bingo card?
I won't forgive Amazon for canning The Peripheral so that Nolan and Joy could do this instead.
As for the tone, it is certainly possible to do offbeat/odd, psycho, sci fi. But you have to be excellent at your craft. Terry Gilliam springs to mind, likewise The Expanse creators. I do NOT include S2 onwards of Westworld.
If they were as serious as The Walking Dead shows with how authentic their practical effects looked then I could take them seriously, but the gender swap was the first sign they weren't serious.
What gender swap? You can play fallout as male or female?
@@voiceofraisin3778 Think he's stating that the canon versions of game's player character is the default male in character creator. Or the one seen in trailers. Character creator would be there gameplay wise but when a game references a past player character they refer to said character as "He". Though I don't take take bethesda canon as true 100% canon. I play mostly argonians in elder scrolls games therefore I declare all chosen ones as argonians! But yea I see no issue for the TV show main character being a woman. I won't watch it unless the reviews are mostly good. People's main fears is if its a mary sue girl boss who constantly talks bad about men or out does them in everything. But bethesda 100% shit on the lore for calling the show canon.
@@voiceofraisin3778then why tf couldn't they do something different than what everyone else is doing and make the character male? Let's not fool ourselves.....we all know this is gonna be terrible.
I don’t need yet another gritty post-apocalyptic show… I think the clean visuals are intentional, and I think it’s going to be great.
Just hope Amazon doesn't let us down and say there will be a part 2 and not make it
I have high expectations as well. The first season was fantastic, but let’s hope they don’t screw it up like they did to Halo and other video games TV shows and movies they screwed up the other streaming services I mean.
A Fallout series has so much potential so I really hope it is good. It probably won't be though.
Also, thank you for bringing attention to games news Lauren! Fallout: New Vegas is such an amazing game!
I think Lucy having a stilted speech is a good thing because she sounds like someone reading a vault tec script to solve disputes in a vault. Not someone who is seasoned at this point with the real world outside
Interesting point. Just feels so cringe without context of her character inside the vault.
@@SargonDestroyerofWorlds valid point but I believe context is going to be key to the movie. Like the jet pack to the power armor is very similar to how it felt to use in the games. Clunky and nearly pointless
Have yet to finish it, but the best fallout adjacent show I have seen has got to be Silo from last year! No question about it.
To be fair there's a lot in it that is encouraging if you ask me. One thing I give credence to is people claiming that LA should be about the most well-developed part of the wasteland by now, which if that's right, means they haven't gone deep on the lore. Nailed the visuals if you ask me at least, and the trailer feels right for Fallout. Perhaps they should have chosen somewhere in the US about which there is little to no knowledge under the current lore.
Good or bad, there’s no deny that Ella Purnell is so hot right now.
Her dialogue is meant to be naive. There are absolutely red flags but what she says is what a vault dweller would say in their first encounter with the violent wastelands. If the writing is good, she'll quickly learn that violence is the language of the world now.
I don’t remember the vault dwellers sounding like this in the games
I totally agree. Everything I’ve seen of her character so far seems perfectly in line with what I would expect a newly emerged vault dweller to behave like.
@UPedits... They didn't say much and it depended on the vault. It reminds me of the FO2 opening, wear protective Eyewear, etc. And the family of vault dwellers waving at the Enclave before getting slaughtered by them.
Don't get it twisted, the show may be garbage and as a fan of the whole series, I am not expecting much. It's just her dialog in this particular scene fits imho.
No. She says some BS that no one will ever say except woke bs that tries to be funny.
It's more so what the people working on this show have said that's the main problem
They got the tone all wrong. It's supposed to be "dark and gritty with horror-like themes; everything in the wasteland wants to kill you while wearing a mask of jovial, innocent humor followed with brief glimpses of reprieve". Not "wanna be cartoon for kids with possible danger sometimes".
When did Lauren start doing the quick zooms for the punchlines? Not sure how I feel about that.
New Vegas is like the last good one lol so not bad
It looks great with 3 exceptions;
The Prydwen style airship needs a dang good explanation,
The size of the brotherhood needs one as well and
The NCR best not be neglected
As for the fan pleasing thing it actually makes perfect sense when a tv show needs to appeal to general audiences as well and the show needs to be like baby steps to introduce the idea of Fallout to that audience and not be ham fisted which would leave them potentially uninterested….
Or lost in the sauce
Fallout has a huge community but it’s nothing compared to the wider non gamer audience
I just logged out of Fallout 4 to watch this video. It looks cringe. Doubt I’ll watch it.
If I was a showrunner I'd be begging the PR department to release a First Look of like a fight scene or maybe the ACTUAL first few minutes of the show. To get people interested, but that cringy dialogue scene with the horrendous Obadiah Iron Man filtered power armor is insane. I hope im wrong
The Power Armor looks like a cardboard cosplay.
Westworld was literally an amusement park and failed on season 2 miserable. So he probably forgot he making a different show and making same Nukeworld.
As a huge fan, I was excited when I heard about this. Now I lost all that excitement but will still look into it because I love the Fallout lore.
The only red flag for me is how matte everything looks. The games have that awfully shiny plastic look to it that I couldn’t stand looking at (sometimes feeling grossed out) but still playing for a decade now lol
Respectfully, Lauren, you have to consider that the people who claim to have their art or finished product be something that was primarily created to make themselves happy include people like John Musker and Ron Clements, the Directors of Aladdin, Khaled Hossein, author of The Kite Runner, JK Rowling, Bruce Lee and Olivia Rodrigo. And, even though Olivia Rodrigo is a pro-choice, teen bopper, Good 4 u is still quite catchy.
So people writing for themselves is something that many good artists have done, and that, ironically, can make for a good finished product.
And I understand his sentiments, because in a day and age where having a straight, white man who's competent and conventionally masculine can get you labelled as someone who advocates for toxic masculinity, and, on the other hand, even having a black mermaid (who is a mythical creature and half-fish) can get a trailer a lot more dislikes than likes (if you consider that the Original Disney movie is already a huge deviation from mermaid lore, which is dark) then it's understandable that he wanted to take a step back from people who are so immersed in the culture war (and horny to hate on stuff) in order to make something good.
A lot of art comes from the soul of the artist/s, and depth of expression and intuitive precision can be lost if you try to please others at the expense of the soul of your art, honesty and authenticity.
So I'm (very cautiously) optimistic.
“Art reaches its greatest peak when devoid of self-conciousness. Freedom discovers man the moment he loses concern over what impression he is making or about to make.”
- Bruce Lee
Of course it's gonna suck. Look at what those assholes did to wheel of time
Am I reading between lines that we will have a full review of Fallout from Brother Chen?
You need to wait until the final comes out. Optics and lens effects can bring it all together. This is a raw cut and can tell from the frame rate. It’s too high, again I will wait until it comes out.
Breaking the lore is never a good way to go. But we are talking about the studio behind Rings of Power here
Back in late nineties I was playing fallout games non-stop, thinking about how badass a movie or show would be.
I finally got it, and I'm not gonna watch it.
Show looks like it was filmed at party city
Amazon does deserve a lot of the criticism, but it did a great job with Invincible, Vox Machina and Hazbin Hotel, and that shouldn't be forgotten.
The boys and preacher are good too
Im surprised this clip is public. Holywood has been good at hiding bad writing from their trailers.
Let me be the 900th person to say there's a reason the woman is so clean (she just left her vault, presumably).
I think she was referring to the shop vendor laying on the ground.
@@gorbitroph They are in NCR territory, probably have running water and soap, this is how we know she didn't pay attention to anything about Fallout when she played. Just piggybacking off the hate for views. Glasses is too good? Oh and the people look clean? In NCR Territory? The most rebuilt civilization in Fallout.
The 90s Super Mario Bros movie had more realistic looking sets and costumes than this.. wtf.
Yeah, that dialogue was very strange to say the least.
I think she’s supposed to be reading from a script, like reciting something from the Vault handbook on “How to deal with hostiles” or something like that.
I think the cheesiness is intentional, so I’m not worried yet.
Nolan means mass appeal isnt going to be his main priority. He wants to make it for the fans. He acknowledging satisfying all of them is impossible and it'll hinder his ability to make a good show.
Paramount did a great job with HALO. There's a model they should follow.
They have mistakenly taken the cheesy nature of Vault-Tec and applied it to the whole Wasteland.
This looks bad.
The way I see it is that there’s a lot of fans of the fallout series that have a lot of very valid problems and worries about the fallout TV show since it stated that it’s fallout five basically meaning that anything that happens in the show is what happens It’s not no silver timeline or anything else it’s the main timeline.
Rings of power was not a lore accurate show because there is no lore for before the hobbit, that was written by Tolkien
The only 'green flag' people seem to be able to come up with is the fact that it looks exactly like the world of Fallout. But remember that the Star Wars sequels and TV shows all looked like Star Wars in aesthetic.
The aesthetics of these shows and films have never been the real problem. These people are actually quite good at taking aesthetics of existing IPs to use as skinsuits for their message. It's what's underneath that they subvert and twist and I'd be pleasantly surprised if that's not the case here. All I see are a bunch of Current Thing Californians walking around on a Fallout set.
Anyone else notice the Freemason 33 on the vault door.
I've been a fallout fan for a long time now, and I'll be honest: I wasn't excited for a single second when I heard a Fallout show was getting made. After seeing example after example of good things getting obliterated by Hollywood adaptations, the only thing I thought was "I wonder how they're gonna fuck this up"
The only place to find pristeen cloths in fall out is the pay to win store maybe the free to watch fallout will have the tattered look .
Nolan clearly doesn’t understand what it means to be a professional
A male director who's a fan of the games. He's got at least two things going for him that most don't.
I feel like she's speaking like she's following a manual. She read a protocol for dealing with hostile encounters, but has not had any. I'm nervous about this show, but not full-on panicked.
I'm going to give it a shot and we'll see what happens.
I'm hoping this show is good. It looks good. I like to treat these things as their own shows because if you do a 1:1 remake, it'll always end up in disaster.
People getting angry at costumes u do know there is a lot of abraxo cleaner in fallout games so these people clearly was their clothes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣eish what has this world come too there is also soap for them to clean the glasses. As for the dialogue it is not that bad seriously for someone who literally is brand new to the outside world.
Yes, they do have abraxo cleaner and wash their clothes. They also leave 200 year old corpses lying around everywhere and even sleep next to them😆 the Railroad HQ always makes me laugh.
All you need to know is how Todd Howard was not massively on the campaign trail for months prior to the leadup. While I'm sure he's happy his game got made into a movie and the royalties it surely brought him, You can tell he's not that hyped for the story.
I will say he is at least a fan. A lot of the ones that fail are people who hate the source material and want to change it. I am a huge Fallout 3 fan and started playing it again recently, also introducing it to my oldest son. I am at least hopeful it will be good.
The thing is. . . if you know the Fallout games, then you should know that they're wonderfully designed to be adaptable to however you want to play them. So, a screenplay for Fallout 4 or 3 can go many ways. My character in Fallout 4 destroyed the Institute and the Brotherhood of Steel Ship. I'm sure many went the other way or another way. So, there is no correct answer. So, being "true to the game" is very nuanced. I'll give the series a shot with that in mind.
If she has just left the vault she is going to be fresh and clean
True, but I think she was focusing on everyone else looking nearly as clean as her
She was referring to the old woman who owns the bar/store. HER clothes are too nice.
EXCELLENT WORK. MEDIAHOLIC
Here's their target audience right here. People who cannot think or see. Obviously she was talking about the guy and the old lady.
Lauren said at 3:34, "obviously not the Vault Dweller"
There are some questionable red flags but there are a lot of green flags. So, I think it'll be decent enough
well i am pleasantly surprised , i like it.
It has the same people who did the West world series, so that’s a fairly good sign.
They’re going the fallout 4 “Bethesda” franchise look. It’s a parody that can’t decide if it’s trying to tell a serious story or act as casual entertainment
New Vegas was made by some of the original 2 games developers, they had a vastly different vision for the series
My favourite character is going to be the girl who plays the girl who will be the girl doing the girl things in the show
Imagine if we got a HBO Fallout series 10-15 years ago.
Why is the Vault Dweller talking like she's a member of Vault Tec? She sounds like a saleswoman rather than a normal Vault Dweller, is that part of her character?
I’d imagine she’s reading some sort of Vault Tec script… it makes sense.
Fallout has almost always been the "pretty/clean" post apocalypse world. Compare it to stalker, metro or mad max and the difference is crystal clear (pun intended). It's like the americanized-idolized vision of post apocalypse.
We need bioshock!