Abrams vs Chinese Tanks. Are they a threat?
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2021
- Taiwan recently ordered 108 M1A2T Abrams tanks from United States, the first batch of 18 tanks should be delivered by the end of the next year and the delivery should be finalized by the end of 2026. Now, this begs the question, would the M1A2T be able to stand up to the Chinese tanks, in case, you know, China invades.
/ redeffect
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And if he says projectile after it, drink 3 shots
Take a shot every time someone says arjun in the comments
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still waiting for the arjun tanker interview
Chieftain hasn't been approached yet but he should be.
Arjun is best tank
@@abhilashyadav2274 of course an indian guy is saying that LMFAO
@@abhilashyadav2274 I agree...but best for what?
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Every damn time!
@@Mgaming61 Arjun are the best tanks buddy.
@@lolasdm6959 of course!
why am I being called
@@lolasdm6959 worst
It's so funny Everyone keeps talking about Arjun.
I know right 😂😂
when people have no idea what to talk about, and needs something to ¢r@p about to keep their ego from falling, out comes the Arjun meme.
It's getting old now. Y'all can stop with the meme. Everyone knows. No need to bring it up if you don't have any idea what to comment.
@@MM-cj4yl my overpatriotic Indian brothers and sisters need to be reminded that don't believe propaganda 100%
We Indians do have big problem as that
Thank god I don't have it
It was a great saga tbh...
@@sannidhyabalkote9536 I don't like the Arjun tank either. I hate it too. But lonely ins£¢ure people using it as a meme in EVERY video to satisfy their need for recognition and acceptance is disgusting to me. And is supposed to be to any human. Not all Indians support the Arjun. We are a country with more than 1.3 billion people. Just because 20 people said it is the best tank doesn't mean the rest of the population does. Some people are stupid, and some pretend to be.
As a Chinese I must admit our tank cannot stand against Arjun, we cannot penetrate Arjun’s thicc rear spaced armor, and cannot survive even a bounced shot from Arjun’s rifled gun, that tank is just too powerful.
The only tank that isn’t in fear of the Arjun is the bob semple
Only tank better than Arjun is Transnistrian T-55
The MIS will pay you and your families some visits soon @NinetyOneMastor for disgraceful views towards the glorious CCCP engineering marvels 😸
@Stickey Sickness No wonder US is looking for new tanks after so many years as soon as the Arjun was unveiled 🤣
@Stickey Sickness Yeah, I heard the laser range finder on Arjun actually have 2000 mm penetration power.
Guys, I stopped playing War Thunder because Gaijin refused to add my favorite tank into the game. Until Arjun is added, I won’t touch it.
It’s impossible, Arjun cannot be balanced unless gaijin adds BR 9999999999999999999.7
活捉老点
got us in the first half not gonna lie
and bM OpLoT
反点分子集结！
Last time I was this early, Arjun was clearly the best and still is.
Indeed, Arjun will just obliterate both Abrams and ZTZs...
I heard Alpha Defense is still salty.
and always be.
Taiwan wasn't able to order any Arjun due to demand.
@@Raul_Menendez The funny part is his fanboys are so deluded, they think he burned Red Effect.
Abrams, Armata.........and Arjun are the three biggest stars on this channel. 😀
NK Abrata: sweats nervously.
The infamous A trio 😂
@@mohsinshahidferdous708 is that really its name?
@@midgetman4206 no just a nickname 😸.
It's called M202O in the West. DPRK never named it like the Pokpung Ho or Songgung Ho during the parade. Maybe this year.
It's Abrahams not Abrams .
Yes. Trust me they were. Have experience with Irish and Hannah in the Battle of Singapore.
Also in the Siege Of Shanghai where I saw an Abrams dodging a falling Skyscraper.
What the hell in seige of shangai i died like 100 times just for being close to the stupid building. The chinese are lucky they have the spawn well protected by buildings the us side gets spawn camped by helis. Lolol great joke man you made my day
@@zincasbaptista1014 wym we die on that stupid map due to the server crash when the skyscraper collapses lol
lol
@@user-tc9bo7zq1b Dawn Breaker should have been named Xbox Breaker.
@@user-tc9bo7zq1b Was never an issue for me on Nvidia drivers, but I do recall losing half the players when it'd go down.
no matter what those Chinese tanks got the drip.
Chad digital green camo vs virgin plain tan camo
chad minecraft tank vs virgin camo tank
@@Larry-Lobster lol Abrams is Chad for not needing the digital camo
@@cristobalalvarez5491 image replying to a comment
@@cristobalalvarez5491 no, abrams is the virginf for having to rely on the f-22 and f-35 to reduce the emeny to atmos before it's sent into the fight.
Before watching the video: Yes, because any and every tank is a threat to other tanks
Laughs in Iraq
Nothing is a threat to arjun
@@1KosovoJeSrbija1 And yet they still killed s few of our own guys. Under no circumstance would I underestimate their capabilities
@@m1a1abramstank49 I was talking about that time the US steamrolled a bunch of old T-72s without taking any losses
@@m1a1abramstank49 Nope, the Iraqis only took out 1 bradley and zero Abarams with their tanks.
Oh no, will China get a Abrams in their tech tree? XD
The answer is no from Gaijin
Ah here comes a new premium
@@tmobl6716 gaijin never keep their words
Gaijing:good idea
@@user-zn2sf3yw6q "We won't be doing modern tanks" 4 years later "The current update includes the new tanks Leopard 2, T-72, and M1 Abrams"
The issue with Taiwanese military purchase program right now is that no major powers other than the US is willing to sell a modern offensive system to them, due to potential political/economic backlash from China. As a result the Americans pretty much charge whatever they want. The latest example is the $2.5 billion for 30 AH-64E + ammunitions. This is more than twice what Boeing charges for the US army, so the high price tag for the Abrams really does not say much about how watered down the export version would be.
Me as an intellectual, simply happy about the fact that I might get an Abrams in Chinese tech tree in the near future in War Thunder.
I don't think the CCP will allow that lol
@@1KosovoJeSrbija1 The game is not made by CCP
@@1KosovoJeSrbija1 LMAO it could certainly happen. War Thunder already has the M48, M60, and CM11 in the Chinese tech tree.
Gaijin should take out the Taiwan part of the the tech tree from the Chinese tech tree. But I guess doing this will get War thunder banned from China.
Lol, they'll be getting it end of next year. If Taiwan isn't a part of china by then perhaps
After reading all the comments I think you should start a 2nd channel called ArjunEffect
For more views
Just as I’m watching this I get killed by a Ztz99 while playing in an Abrams xd
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Is that dagman as pfp
@@1czv13 yes
@@Vidic236 lepo.
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Actually Indians specially hindi speaking north indian conservatives have a strong sense of false pride. We Indians have been going through bomberment of fake news ,Jingoism , hate speech for last 10 years.any thing unscientific & all kinds superstitions are peddled by National broadcasters..Thus Invincible Arjuns come to the limelight.
Arjun( facing to Taiwan) : let me introduce my self
brilliant bro
The Arjun can swim to Taiwan!
*Mainland China invades*
Taiwan: whips out Walker Bulldog
True story
What's walker bulldog?
@@fateavaraccus6563 M41 light tank
*reclaiming rogue territory
@@NA-ck6cz Yes
Their main threat much like the M4 Sherman during WW2 was the ease of building them.
Well that, and the fact that they can be easily upgraded, not to mention the Abrams base armor, even without upgrades, is pretty strong.
Could you make a video regarding which cold war era tanks still in use (leopard 1, m60,m48 and so on) are still viable? And which variants of them in a modern scenario
Really appreciate you putting out solid content for us
Just not as solid as an Arjun.
I think one thing we have to consider is that Taiwan's planned usage for their tanks is to utilize them as a counter force during a theoretical invasion attempt by China, massing up a distance from landing points and then counter attacking to try to throw the Chinese back into the sea. Against initial amphibious forces, the M60s should still be effective for that. Once a larger landing area is secured and more army forces arrive, those tanks would disperse as much as they can with the infantry, as Taiwan's terrain is not suitable for mobile warfare and they will do more good as dispersed fire support, moved forward for ambushes on tanks trying to go around the urban areas.
Throw a drone swarm at them and i have doubts any lines will last.
J/s.... it isnt 1944
The thing is China only has to send jets, helicopters and long range missiles to counter that. And it is pretty easily countered.
@@RockSolitude While China certainly has the weapons in its Air Force and Missile forces to decimate Taiwan's armored forces, just taking air superiority and pounding away at their forces for weeks isn't going to secure land control, and sooner or later troops will need to land. When only looking at Chinese and Taiwanese forces, it is theoretically possible that China could conduct this sort of long campaign and handily win, however they don't have that time because of the US. They need to be able to quickly gain air and sea superiority and land troops to secure the island, otherwise, the Americans could reinforce Taiwan and put the air and naval superiority in question. That's why these tanks still have some use, they buy Taiwan time.
@@RockSolitude It would take too long for China to hunt and kill all the targets from the air as they would have to act fast to prevent significant US reinforcements.
@@RockSolitude only when you secure air superiority. To that Taiwan’s answer is the world most dense and advance anti-air missile systems
I’m Taiwanese, as if 2 years later, we have got A LOT of M1A2 tanks and if China does the wrong thing, we might have an chance to wil against the Chinese but no one likes or even wants war so I hope it doesn’t happen ❤🇹🇼
想多了，日本人的崽子，如果你真想要对抗大陆方面的进攻，你应该好好学习沈总长列出的军事改革策略，引入大量atgm，无人机之类的对抗手段，同时采购足够的中远程武器对抗中方的火炮压制，同时把你台边境城市尽可能要塞化，而不是跟你日本爷爷一样寄希望于一个两个奇迹武器扭转战局。
Several things you miss from the Chinese side:
1, The original ZTZ-99 has a 1200 hp engine while the ZTZ-99A has a 1500hp engine. ZTZ-99A is not a "normal upgrade" from ZTZ-99, its turret and hull got completely redesigned which is much bigger in size.
2, The ZTZ-99 and ZTZ-99A actually have soft-kill APS. There are laser receivers around the tank. When enemy tank measuring distance using laser rangefinder, it can actually calculate the relative angle of the laser signal and shoot back a beam of laser jamming up the enemy rangefinder. Official documents also mentioned that the system can set to output a higher energy laser to burn the optic sensors of the rangefinder. Without the rangefinder the fire control system is disabled.
激光压制。。。。
He said that in the recent vid
Y’all forgetting anything me thing 99% of Chinese military equipment sucks ass just look at Russia they both use similar munitions tanks being an exception.
Chinese tanks would not stand a chance against any modern MBT.
@@kokomo9764 For example?
Let's bear in mind that any engagement between China and Taiwan would be defensive for Taiwan. The ability to predict enemy approach routes and strategically place your forces is a huge force multiplier. Tack that on to the fact that American tanks are designed pretty specifically for a defensive role (Russia rolling into NATO), and I would suspect the American tanks would put up a better fight than the paper stats would suggest. At least, they would until China mobilized their air force.
If China gets complete air superiority
Taiwan ground forces stand no chances
And Chinese tanks have to cross the Taiwan Straits on some ship, which is at least a 9 hour crossing. It is not realistic to assume all 500 Chinese tanks would be combat ready simultaneously, nor that those numbers can be mustered on Taiwan shores without loss.
That's the problem with "on paper" analysis... Too many variables are assumed.
@@fitzwilliamdarcy3328 it’s 100 miles 😂 🤡 🤡🤡🤡9 hr crossing my ass lmao
@@augustuspetrov7844You are thinking air transport or a just a normal sea crossing to undefended beaches. Transport by ship is slow. China's type 074 landing craft is capable of 18 knots max speed making a minimum crossing time of 5 hrs. They don't have enough landing craft to do the job and have coopted commercial craft with reinforcement to support heavy equipment. These are considerably slower. Just do the maths.
They also don't have enough Y-20 cargo planes capable of carrying T-99s yet for a full scale Airbourne invasion. But may use them to secure ports. That's where the M-1s Abrams come in to counter that.
Arjun is a superior tank....it fires mud bombs which blinds enemy tank sights. The driver vision is particularly vulnerable to Arjun high explosive mud bombs causing blindness. ARJUN - the superior tank!
And that mud can make you reach heaven.
The mud bombs are definitely not poop.
Arjun can fire ATGMs right from its barrel
"they can only hit tank sized targets at 2 km"
Challenger one commander - "hold my gin."
No hold my tea tally ho
@@danbatesy5492 That's taking the biscuit..
Great video as usual but one thing that wasn't really mention/covered is that, even if the round doesn't pen the armor it will always do some damage to something. But what and how will the round damage the enemy tank is mostly up to luck.
KEWA2 is not the best US export ammunition. There is KET, a tungsten variant of M829A3 and according to an Australian defense magazine, a tungsten variant of M829A4 as well.
Hello Jack. I know you from quora. KE-W is identical to the M829 except it’s tungsten. KE-W A1 is a licensed DM43. KE-W A2 is identical to the M829A2 except it’s tungsten. KE-W A3 is a KE-W A2 with a better propellant resulting in higher muzzle velocity. KE-W A4 is a licensed DM63.
This discussion is rather irrelevant. China can't get their MBT's onto landing craft, they are way too heavy. They will be landing on Taiwan beaches with Type 63A light amphibious tanks. Those tanks have light armor and a smaller gun. They will absolutely lose to an abrams or even an older M60.
A fun and interesting video. I would caution everyone to remember that the biggest difference between any two tanks is the training and experience of the crew. Nine times out of ten the better trained, more experienced, more motivated crew will win- regardless of the tank they have.
So we can win with cv33s as long as the crew is chuck norris
So the tanks that literally can't penetrate their enemy will win because of better training?
@@spamstabber Pretty basic way of looking at it, over the years of tank conflict that has been observed the crew that saw the enemy first, made a decision first and shot first 9 times out of 10 wins, with modern weapon systems and ammo there is no way that a tank is completely impenetrable.
The experience of US and NATO tank forces hasn't been against peer level opponents for many years, and training can be improved to match the most well trained units and personnel.
@@simonyip5978 Last US/NATO peer-level engagement was against Iraq in 1991. Tank tech and tactics have not evolved very much since then on a global scale.
What and when was the last peer-level opponent the Chinese had, again...?
"training can be improved to match the most well trained units and personnel" Only if your officer cadres possess doctrinal experience from which to draw on for training. Training is more than push-ups, jumping-jacks, and practicing your aim. It's experience being passed down from one officer generation to the next being imparted onto the service-level men, knowing the subtle battlefield tricks and conditions that will pop up that can only be predicted by some kind of experience the officer cadres have passed on.
The Chinese do not have that. The Russians are the only ones they can draw knowledge from, and given how they're performing in Ukraine, I'm not very certain China will learn anything positive from them.
"Arjun is the state of the art tank, that has no analogues in the World. It has everything that you ever wanted, and more" - Indian Government
And the same government is killing its own people by covid lol
English tanks you can make tea inside, Arjun can make long lasting laughter meaning you don't need tea once inside.
@@puszzydestroyr69yesthatsga7 Chinese Government and Indian Government are not same . Don't confuse the two. Arjun tank best in World . Arjun tank killed Baghdadi , Arjun tank killed Bin Laden , Arjun tank saved Alexei Navalny from Russian Army .
@@abhilashyadav2274 love the sarcasm
He got one thing right tho, it's on a whole new level.
Nice tank video's. Though another threat to tanks is CAS. So, how about a few videos on very common threats to tanks? I mean the KA-50/52, Tiger (different versions), SU-25, A-10, etc.
Yeah I agree
As a tanker, aviation assets are something we basically don’t worry about. If they see us, we are done. So don’t get seen.
@@cavtastic5691 especially because Russia CAS planes are very good
Based on the footage out there of modern Chinese tanks it appears that they either lack or don’t have a full functioning gun stabilizer
The taiwanese Abrams should be worried about the chinese artillery barrage than facing chinese tanks.
there can't be anyone who actually believe that Chinese will use tank against tank right? It's not WW2 lmao. Wake up and welcome to 2021
If both sides use tanks, its sure that some armor on armor fights will happen
The T-90 Abrams doesn't exist. It can't hurt you. The T-90 Abrams:
Keep up the good work, dude! Hopefully you can make a video on the Challenger 3 soon.
if Taiwan had bought one arjun tank they wouldn't be having this problem
Indeed
300 hundred Arjun tanks could defeat 1.5billion mainland Chinese..
The M1A2T Abrams tanks are a variant of M1A2SEPV2, which are specially customized for Taiwanese Army requirements. Equipped with a series of enhancements, the M1A2 SEP (System Enhancement Package) version has better survivability in the warzone. It could also use different types of fuels like military-grade jet fuel and diesel.
ABRAM-TANKS
According to reports, the tank has composite 850 mm armor and is equipped with a digital battlefield management system that ensures combat efficiency. It uses an AGT-1500 gas turbine engine that can generate 1500 horsepower, giving it the ability to rush onto the battlefield with no problem.
1.Both Chinese and American tanks can rish into batle, the thing is that the Abram will run out of fuel,
2. diesel engines are also multi fuel.
(know some armour values I found)
3. Abram front turret is 800mm against Apfsds. 125-3 can pen that at least at 1km, and the hull is 630mm. Abrams M1A2 Heat protection is 1300mm-1600 in turret and hull 700-970mm
4. the Chinese ztz-99 reach at least 700mm in front turret. hull is 650mm. Heat protection is 1100mm in front turret and 1000mm in hull.
ztz-99/2 or B (which have FY-4 ERA) front turret is 850mm, hull is 700mm against Kinetic energy.
Heat protection is 1200 mm in front turret and 1000 in hull.
Link for those specs?
@@76456 1+2: The Abrams Honeywell AGT1500 engine is multifuel. It can run on, but is not limited to, jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and marine diesel. So, no, it's not going to run out of fuel. If the Chinese tanks are getting fuel, there's infrastructure for Abrams to refuel from... including siphoning from other vehicles or abandoned tanks.
3: Did you honestly just say the 125-3 can penetrate 1 kilometer of armor...? I'm gonna guess you meant 1000mm of armor, which is not 1km by the way. The 125-3 can penetrate 1000mm of armor at about 2,000 meters, IF it impacts at 0 degrees to the armor point. That never happens except in test conditions; that's basically the "perfect scenario" result. The likelihood in combat scenarios is at least 3-5 degrees of angle, with every degree of angle losing roughly 70cm of penetrative power.
4: The upcoming XM-1147 AMP is capable of HEAT penetration of up to 1400mm, with upgrade options packing enough power to perform at least 1500mm of HEAT penetration coming in 2028.
@@Liberty_or_Ded none of that matters though. in any taiwan scenario by all accounts, china will gain air dominance from the onset. tanks then just become a attractive target to their airforce.
@@mxn1948 By all accounts, China fails to establish air dominance because of the anti-air defenses the nation is blanketed with. Air superiority, yes. Air dominance, no, not for months, by which time the expenses of the international response will have taken their toll.
Interview with Russian and Chinese mbt operators soon plz
not that easy
@@cheese5331 what china and russia don't have internet or something? I remember few years ago there was a video of a russian tank crewman giving an account about his battlefield experience in the 90s
Ure joking right?
@@markacostajr.1584 it may be a easier to interview a Russian tanker, but China isn't as open: the firewall they have there makes it so that any interview with a Chinese tank operator currently in service would put their careers in jeopardy.
@@lardthing7417 fair enough. I went back to try and find that interview from years ago with no success. My memory is hazy but I do remember crewman talking about his tank getting knocked out and having to pull his other crewman out. Think the commander died. Ends it with going back with a relief unit and recovering the tank. Apparently they put the flames out and drove it back under it's own power. I'll keep looking and if I find it I'll post it here
ruclips.net/video/bZp5lakfooI/видео.html
Found it at 3:50 talk about tank being hit and surviving
Nice video as always
I know this comment will not have lots of likes but please make video about Slovak T-72m2. 🇸🇰🎰🙏
If he can't make specifically on Slovak, maybe video for many T-72 variant in different countries
"...I mean, if you can still call them tanks.." Ouch!
lol,i think taiwan should keep them in military museum
Please make a video on Type 59g Durjoy.And point out the good and bad sides of the tanks.And how can these tank canbe developed into an actual new mordern mbt
It's a decent enough tank considering the price and the terrain it's designed for, but considering the opposition it will face, like the Indian T90 or Myanmar's T-72s and the fact that BD army lacks proper air support capabilities, it's combat effectiveness is doubtful in my opinion.
I think the Type 59G hasn't seen enough combat to really be judged. It seems to be a proper upgrade to keep the 59 series still somewhat worthy and to at least look intimidating with the new arrowhead turret. I'd be more interested in those attempts by China to dronify their fleet of type 59's.
@@mohsinshahidferdous708 durjoy mbt were not bult to counter Indian t90.they were built to neutralize Myanmar old t72 mbts.Mynmar dosent use the more newer and modernized t72,rather they use older version of t72 which in some cases Inferior to durjoy tanks.And regarding that durjoy is currently the backbone of Bangladesh army,this tank needs to be redeveloped.Becuase Bangladesh dosent make the raw materials to make armoured hull, best solution will be to galvanize and use the materials from existing durjoy tanks and use ceramic composit t
With it to make the hull and take Chinese assistance to manufactur Active protection armor,engine,hydrologic transmission and electronics and armaments package.then maybe durjoy can become an actual Mbt rather than a type 59 modification
@@mohsinshahidferdous708 as you have rightly focused on the terrain issue, IDK of any other tanks operated by our neighbors that can operate in those terrain.
Mind it, BD Army tested T-90 earlier in this decade with an intention to purchase a regiment of it. It got stuck in infamous Bengali muds 3 times in 3 kilometers. Let's skip T-72. Both are good tanks, just not in here.
@@phantom09k I don't think he will get enough info available for a video. I too would like one though. Or if he would make one on armoured warfare in the BD marshes, Or any marshes.
Well done comrade, +1000 social credit
Given Taiwan's mountainous and urban terrain, not to mention the fact the PLAAF would probably win air suppority, I'm surprised Taiwan is investing in armour and not in better man portable At systems like the spike NLOS, unless there's some kind of export ban or politics at play behind the scenes
noone would sell to them because they are too cheap to scam roc with
@@tonger7018 you wrong, M1A2T high quality sell to Taiwan.. China type-99A fear of Taiwan M1A2T too kill China tank destory....
@@f-35lightningii6 cope and seethe
@@f-35lightningii6 The argument of Type-99A vs M1A2 is irrelevant, when war starts, the measly 108 M1A2Ts, would be obliterated by PLA drones and fighters.
for each M1A2T China can buy 12 drones, ($1 million, international price for CH-04 drones), Chinese domestic price could be much lower. let's say 20 drones per tank. each drones can carry 8 anti-tank top attack missiles.
that's 160 missiles per tank. and you think those slow moving tanks would get a chance to even engage with PLA ground troops?
the purchase is more political than anything else. Taiwan's political environment breeds projects, civil or military, that can give the politician a chance for a photo op. I'd imagine politicians would be lining to get a photo taken on the tank and yell some political slogans.
Redeffect, can you do a video about problems with Leclerc? Have not seen you do that yet.
Think hes done one is the leclerc obselete i think it was
Y’all are are talking about the Arjun tank but forget that the Bob Semple can single handedly take down an army of Abrams tanks
everyone seem to forget
you don't have to invade Taiwan if you convince everyone Taiwan is already part of China
Nice video, can you talk about the Leopard 1A5?
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ He probably wasn’t comparing dicks either.
@@m1a1abramstank49 Bro i can't even read your comment. His User Name ist cursed af
@@xAlexTobiasxB I was basically implying why this guy is comparing ultra modern MBTs for an MBT that was specifically designed for its period. This is like comparing a T-55 with a Leopard 2A6
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ How is there not much to talk about. The Leopard 1 has a good amount of history behind it, so no it’s not like it’s not worth talking about. The only reason you think it’s not worth talking about is because it’s not an Abrams or T-14
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ That’s why people like talking about specific tanks. You shoehorn advanced MBTs and it immediately is nothing special to talk about, like what? So because WW2 AFVs exist you shouldn’t talk about them because Cold War tanks are better?
The comment here says "nice vid as always" even tho the video was uploaded 44 secs ago...
Lol
Yea
Already know it's good
@@Tankliker oh yeah, that's for sure, but I find it mildly fun
People who do that just want to be part of the "first" crew without being so blatantly obvious by actually posting "FIRST!".
Probably in your part of the world. Video loading time might be different between region
I would like to know why when it comes to the Abrams tank you find fault with everything. The ammo is inferior to all commy tanks ammo when it comes to the armor every commy tank has better or in your words slightly better armor. I can't see how you can compare tanks when you don't know all the specs on either tank.even though this is an export variant doesn't mean it's that bad it on a battle proven design. When was the last time a China tank fired a shot in anger
One of the biggest giveaways of propagandists is that they can see the splinter in their opponent's eye, but not the log in their own.
No tank is perfect. If you can't find faults with a tank, it means you're just not looking.
This is an export version tho so off course it’s not gonna be as good as the USA version
The deciding factor of any China vs Taiwan war will be the proper use of Atgms and Manpads and fighting spirit of the defending side.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot Doesn't matter if the enemy has air and fire power on their side.
America:Smells Oil
China:Smells Honey
@RedEffect could you please update my patreon name?
I think you will see which is my new name after looking at the list of the names.
Hello there
Oh leopards here
Better to have M1 Abrams then the M60A3. But honestly I question why buy tanks and not boats or helis.
500 M60A3s would do just fine against the handful of tanks China could bring to Taiwan. They have only 8 amphibious ships that can carry tanks.
And only about 10% of Taiwan's shores are even landable. Any Chinese amphibious invasion is going to very obvious and easy to defeat for coastal defenses and air launched attacks from deep within Taiwanese airspace.
Everyone: *aRjUn wInS!*
Me: _Laughs in Bob Semple_
Would China's strategy not be to overwhelm Taiwan with drone attacks? Making tank on tank engagements somewhat unlikely at least where it might have any sort of strategic impact. I am not an expert but Azerbaijan vs Armenia showed how powerful that can potentially be.
Abrams would trounce any Russian or Chinese tank fielded in any numbers worth mentioning!
1:20 unless a war thunder player leaks the DTC10-125 specs and we find out it can only pen around 680mm, oh wait that already happened lmao
This dude spitting game facts like real life is that simple.
Attempt 4: RedEffect can you please make video about Slovak T-72m2?🙏🙏 Its very interesting tank!! Nobody know about Slovakia so you could popularize it 😄. Thank!
Haha 20 mm cannon go pew pew
@@calvintay755 30mm 😁
Can you make a video on the type 59g. The upgraded version of the ztz-59
Honestly, the Taiwan abrams should worry more about attack helicopters, drones and aircraft than Chinese tanks.
Hey are you going to speak about the Challenger 3? I know it's new news but I would like your take on it.
Video: American Tanks Vs Chinese Tanks
Comment section: *ARJUN*
What is Arjun?
@@SX41799 The best tank to ever exist
@@realtissaye Are you referring to those indian keyboard warriors that always say they have the best tanks?
@@danielsoto8934 😍😍🇮🇳🇮🇳
@@danielsoto8934 we never claimed that "we have best tank.." only you people do because you all are racist and filled with hatred
At the start of the video I was thinking that was a bad decision decision to get the export abrams over the leopards..... until I got to the end a realized the disaster they replaced lmfao
i make a drink game out of this video evertime you say ZTZ i drink a shot XDD but good video
an RPG7 went through the side armour of an M1 in iraq...
Idk if you wanna mention the Type 63 and ZTD-05 series. They are more likely to be on the battlefield than the 99's and 96's until the initial push is done with by the PLANMC. Afaik they are pretty thin skin vehicles, as all amphib vehicles are.
In combined arms warfare, it’s more likely Taiwan tanks need to worry about Chinese jets more than anything.
ZBD-05 would indeed be the tip of the PLA marine spears (as well as Type-96B transported on hovercrafts). HOWEVER, the ZBD-05 won't get a chance to face the M1A2Ts, because the M1A2ts would be stationed around Taipei. When hostility resumes. they'll be stuck in and around Taipei.
Any large convoys of tanks re-deploying would be picked off by PLA drones and fighters.
Type-99As would definitely be brought in on the second wave, through RO/RO (roll on roll off) ships, via temporary mulberry harbors.
The Type-99A would face the M1A2t, as the heavy combined arms brigades of the PLA pushes towards Taipei, so the M1A2Ts are sort of a last stand weapon.
@@obsidianstatue Chinese troops will just be calling air strike since he Taiwan Air Force will be wiped out fast.
What is your opinion abut Chalanger 3?
Just imagine, German Wehrmacht brought enough numbers of King Tiger tanks to Omaha beach .
Dam i love the info you give Broh
Thank you 🙏 AGAIN for your excellent work 👍👏👏👏👏
Well first they have to land AND then we have a tank fight with what makes it on land
And then they have to divert their entire merchant shipping force to keep a few hundred thousand combat troops supplied; and try to do it with civilian ships under attack by Taiwanese defense forces.
Wonder how long the abrams fuel supply would last if Taiwan was blockaded...
I don't know how sustainable a blockade is for China is running a blockade requires enormous amounts of resources and ultimately hurts US and Japanese trading interests considering how important of a trade route the South China Sea is.
The biggest problem of the Chinese tanks is still that they are just an upgrade from the Russian T-72
*Nice!!. Thanks for informative vid !!!*
12 Millions USD per unit I see......
They can buy VT-4 MBT from mainland in twice the number, and I can't think of any reason they can't do that :)
Haha I see you are well versed in the art of words comrade 😼😼
Well, if TW surrounders, they will get free Type 96Bs to equip at least. lol
Not happening 🐰
True
Tsai Ing Wen and co would not get their kickbacks from military purchases. Abrams are money makers.
Nice analysis, especially considering the lack of data. I am also interested in the comparison of factors other than firepower and armor protection, such as fire-control, auto-loader, counter-measures, and the digital integration into the strategic battle system, although maybe this will be subject to much speculation because of limited information.
I would also presume that the mountainous terrain would be a negative factor for both Type-99(a) and M1A2(T), hence it will be interesting to see how China's new Type-15 light tanks come into play.
I mean when you think about it, M1A2(T) will probably be used in a defensive postions with pre-prepared routes and fire-posts, so the terrain might play well into Taiwanese hands.
@@stepankubicina2768 no it won’t if they lose the air in days
@@LOL-zu1zrmaybe but the Chinese stil have to get across the strait. Its a small area to attack, and with the Taiwan, USA, Japan, South Korea using air cover and hitting arty positions, those Chinese better learn to swim fast.
True that China has more numbers, but they don’t have the logistical means to get to Taiwan. Plus, Taiwan has defensive positions, which gives it a huge advantage.
The Taiwanese army is corrupted since the 2000s. Guess how many bullets an average recruit consumes annually? Less than 100! They wouldn't stand a chance against China.
I wouldn't be surprised if half of them would defect and supply the Chinese army in an invasion scenario.
You need to look into RO/RO and the vast amount of logistics it can move. When war starts, China would have total air supremacy. when under that conditions, Taiwanese troops cannot in any shape or form defend the beaches, because they'll be eliminated by fighters, bombers and drones. not to mention Chinese rocket artillery can reach most of the island.
So they can only retreat into the urban centers and fight it out there, but when war gets to the urban stage, the biggest loser are the civilians. and it'll be just a matter of time until PLA pacifies all resistance.
Lol it is dangerous to assume WT as a reliable simulator. The Realistic mode doesn't have parallax yet. Abrams vs Txx is as old as M16 vs AK. In fine details, M16 excels at specific roles. While AK excels at being mass produced. Same thing with Abrams vs Txx. Abrams fits the specs ops(if there are any) more than Txx. But not to say Txx can't be mod to run specs ops. In GRAND scale, Abrams and Txx are just as vulnerable as one another. How logistic and mobilization are strategized will ultimately decide which side wins.
Is that 55 tonnes combat loaded though?
Or is that before all the armour packs, APS systems, crows, etc.
Abrams is up to 74 tonnes from its original 55, same with Challenger 3
Same with the 99A, is it _really_ 60 tonnes?
Its a much smaller tank when you take volume in to consideration
ZTZ-99A is said to have sort of laser system that can destroy optics and aiming system of enemies who aimed at it. That’s the game changer.
@Su Sulihang probably not, laser would destroy enemies’ laser ranger or aiming assists, no way it can aim toward optical sights. Gunner would probably still able to aim manually with traditional sight. The system would act like flash bomb to enemy crews.
@Su Sulihang the law specified to protect personnel not behind a optics. Any crew in a tank is not covered in this category.
@Su Sulihang its the same as american 50 cal machine gunners saying that they were aiming for the enemy soldier's rifle or equipment.
@Su Sulihang thats why they Will be used to destroy equipment
@@lucaslu5125 Any laser that can burn out a CCD/camera lens or other equipment will make you blind. Even cheap lasers from ebay will do this.
It's got an autoloader based on the T72. So they will be in the running in the turret tossing Olympics
There is more to mobility than speed. Turning radius and ground pressure also matter, among other factors.
Well, M1 for Taiwan is a monkey model. TW only got them b/c of strong political pressure (as all weapon sales are) - otherwise it would go for Leo2 which for export customers is much, much better choice.
The Leopard 2 would not really change anything about the situation tho. Taiwan would still be inferior in every way. There is only so much you can do about it. Taiwan is only a small island, and although it already has of the most powerful Militaries in the world (Top20) and one of the biggest Army in the world (2 Million) but against China which is in the Top 3? No Chance.
But it's OK, because unlike the Western Panic Propaganda, China won't attack Taiwan any time soon. It's just not worth it. So Taiwan is doing fine
@@xAlexTobiasxB Maybe Leo2 would not change much, but still one should try to buy the best thing for your $.
Certainly no value in China invading as long as Taiwan does not do something irresponsible like declare full independence to try to force a war. Current status can easily be held for another 100 years.
@@tomk3732 Ummm... what? As far as I know Taiwan already declared independence since over 70 years ago (1949). That's why we call it Taiwan in the first place, right?
The Leopard 2A6 or 2A7 would be a slightly better export tank, but not that much better to make an actual difference. The Leoaprd 2 is overall very equal in most terms to the M1A2 Abrams. And in the end, both tanks will be destroyed by China's new Top-attack missile "Red Arrow HJ-12" anyway (which is a copy of the famous Javelin Top-attack missile). So the tank would need some APS that can intercept Top-attack missiles, because any tank without such APS will be completely uselless on the modern battlefield anyway.
But don't worry, China is not gonna invade or attack Taiwan, it's just not worth it. Because it would be too much costly for China to attack it. Even though Taiwan is only a very small island, but as I already said, it is still one of the most powerful militaries in the world with one of the biggest army in the world, which means that China would have to sacrifice a lot of its military arsenal just to occupy this little island. And then there is of course the USA which would probably do something about it too. So no, it's just not worth it.
@@xAlexTobiasxB Taiwan is not independent nation de juro, it is independent de facto. If it was de juro there would be embassies in it from other countries - US only has "trade mission". This is why the talk of independence of Taiwan comes in and out occasionally & is used to "irritate" China. Notice almost no country recognizes Taiwan as independent. If Taiwan wants to force a war all it has to do is declare independence from mainland. China would probably try economic means first but later on war would be inevitable, even at great cost to China.
Spike missile is better then Javelin. Leo 2A7 can easily destroy Abrams from Taiwan but Taiwan's Abrams has almost zero chance of taking out Leo2 A7 armor from the front unless it gets a weak spot. Leo also has far better sensors and other equipment. It is not a downgraded monkey model for export. For 12m USD per unit Taiwan could have gotten much better tank. Heck fully loaded T-90 is far and wide much better tank then what Taiwan is getting. And its only half the $. Heck you could get T90 with Israeli active defense system for 1/2 the price. But no weapon purchase is non political.
If Taiwan plays the ball any invasion in the next 20 years looks very unlikely. If Taiwan does not play the ball it will be part of Chania ruled by mainland in tops 30 years against its will.
@@tomk3732 Again, Taiwan already declared "full" Independence in 1949. Even if most other countries don't want to recognize Taiwans Independence, doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is already de facto a fully independent and self-sufficient state with its own political government system and can make its own rules and has its own police force and has its own independent jury and has its own Army to protect the island country against any outside threat. Which makes Taiwan a 100% fully indepenedent country as much as independence goes. I mean, that is why we are talking on a video about Taiwan receiving American Abrams tanks right? Because Taiwan wouldn't even get American Abrams tanks in the first palce if it wasn't independent, right?
There are some Taiwanese embassies in other countries, but only in very poor and weak countries (mostly Southern America which have no big value in the world anyway). Yeah it sucks that most other nations around the world don't want to recognize Taiwan as independent state, but it still doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is de facto a fully independent state anyway.
And it is highly unlikely that China would attack Taiwan. You can say it all you want, but it won't happen. Only in your fantasy maybe. So keep on dreaming.
The Leopard 2A6 /A7 has only slightly better front armor, but that doesn't mean anything if a top-attack missiles hits the weak roof of the turrrt which has no armor whatsoever. Any tank that doesn't have APS is useless on the modern battlefield anyway, because top-attack missiles make armor useless.
Not worth in my opinion for Taiwan part, China have the numbers and pretty good weapons, wasting money on abrams wont solve anything, winning a battle on ground vs china will be hard
China won't be able to immediately use all of those numbers during an invasion. The point of Taiwans armored forces is to counterattack PLA beachheads before the PLA can get enough men/equipment ashore.
@@prind666 they would get obliterated by the Chinese supersonic missiles before the landing lmao. and they can't shoot the DF-17 down.
@@prind666 The Taiwanese Army would be obliterated by rockets, ballistic missiles, air strikes, etc before the PLA even lands their ground forces in a real scenario
@@prind666 "The point of Taiwans armored forces is to counterattack PLA beachheads before the PLA can get enough men/equipment ashore."
Have fun with them with Chinese destoryers parked by the beaches.
what are the gen differences in thermals? just resolution and range? Or do you mean just night vision? (light intensifier)
Hey man love ur vids can you do a video of the type 10
Such comparison is purely imaginary, and probably will never happen in real life. If China decides to invade Taiwan, then air attacks, naval attacks, and missile attacks would be their major ways of attacking, whereas tank on tank wars would play a very minor role. The terrain of Taiwan simply isn't suitable for large-scale tank on tank wars.
Everything is a threat, but only few are rivals.
Same goes for M60 variants, which have been called obsolete for decades. May I kindly remind, that really old M60A1 of US Marines kicked some butt of supposedly more modern Iraqi tanks.
The Abrams is meant to fight Russian tanks.
Chinese tanks are meant to fight their own citizens when they want this illegal thing called "freedom"
well that’s the Iraqi crewmen facing well trained and experienced marines
@@notafrog2040 I don't think Russians right now are doing much better than Iraqis back then.
@@TotalRookie_LV They really are... this whole "Russia underperforming" narrative is getting very old and very tired. Also those M60A1's were facing off against Assad Babel's, T-62's and T-55's with poorly trained conscripts. If it anything of the sort of a T-80U, T-72B or even a T-64BV against Soviet tankers, the result would be vastly different.
@@thewatchman9540
Russians definitely are underperforming, currently their losses are only slightly less than those of Ukrainians, while Russians are in defence with trenches, minefields and anti-tank obstacles.
It's not hardware in itself, it's largely attitude / culture, lack of training and no motivation.
Can you make a video on Leopard 2 upgrade programs like revolution,ruag and aselsan's leopard 2ng?
why would taiwan buy abrams when u can simply ask the indians for a few arjun tanks
Arjun is exclusive to India.
@@a.m.armstrong8354 for now.....
Why don’t they order tanks from South Korea or Japan? 🤔
Because they are US vassal state.
That would make American dad angry
The Japanese and South Koreans won't sell anything to the ROC. The only states willing to sell to the ROC are the US, Israel, and France. Japan and South Korea don't want to suffer the economic fallout of selling weapons to the Republic of China.
Why would SK and Japan sell them when China is one of their biggest trading partners? China can't sanction the US thou.
In case Redeffect doesn't know, Taiwan is known to pay 3 times market price for third rate weapons from US for kickbacks to the politicians.
Western 'liberty' is the price to pay for not surrender and accept losing the war.
The answer to the number of Chinese tanks- A 10 warthogs! No more tanks!
No a-10 isn’t the best for killing tanks
The best one is F-15
we gotta realise that logistic is way more important than a strong tank. Strong tank with no fuel is a dead tank, strong tank with no ammo is a dead tank, strong tank that got shoot at its engine is a dead tank. The lesson is learned from russia, we need good logistic and competent bureaucrats