T-90M vs M1A2 SEP V3 - In depth comparison

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  • Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2021
  • Two tanks, from two greatest military powers, United States and Russia, T-90 and Abrams, are often compared to each other. In this video we will take a look at their most modern variants, and compare them, in detail.
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  • @thecaptain29
    @thecaptain29 2 года назад +1700

    As a former Abrams tank systems maintainer in the US Army, I thought I'd let you know the AGT-1500C gas turbine engine is GOVERNED at 1,500 hp. In initial speed testing, the prototype got to 70 mph before the track exploded.

    • @cf1925
      @cf1925 2 года назад +278

      Goddamn.
      I bet the prototype crew shat themselves from the sound alone when the tread decided to put itself in a pack lmao-

    • @sneakyfeats2353
      @sneakyfeats2353 2 года назад +231

      @@shnek5143 they get about 0.5 mpg, but have increased mobility from the extra power as well as the lower volume taken up by the engine which is also lighter than a diesel. They are also extremely quiet and don't smoke like a russian aircraft carrier, so you are much less likely to be noticed by a nearby enemy, which is a potentially clutch advantage in armored warfare where whoever sees the other guy first is almost guaranteed to score the kill. The extra soft-skinned fuel trucks required to keep them going is a potential disadvantage, but for a country like America with robust logistical capabilities and the means to protect their assets, it's not a big deal. If you're Russia, probably better stick to diesel, or switch to solar-powered golf carts considering the shitshow on display in Ukraine.

    • @stephennelson4954
      @stephennelson4954 2 года назад +83

      Every tank crew gangsta till the track decides to take a forever nap.

    • @thecaptain29
      @thecaptain29 2 года назад +112

      @@sneakyfeats2353 don't forget to mention they can run on nearly anything combustible, so enemy territory can provide fuel in a pinch, no problem.

    • @jeffmonzon5731
      @jeffmonzon5731 2 года назад

      I've seen test at 100+

  • @chaosXP3RT
    @chaosXP3RT 2 года назад +1644

    I think it would be dangerous to underestimate either tank. Both are deadly and top of their class. I'm not convinced the Abrams or the T-90 are obsolete

    • @deutsch-amerikanisch8281
      @deutsch-amerikanisch8281 2 года назад +314

      @@bensmith6868 Pretty much sums up tank combat in general.

    • @markqqq_
      @markqqq_ 2 года назад +275

      @@bensmith6868 finally someone with common sense. Even if the armor absorbs the fired shot, the crew inside won't be having a good time.

    • @phil__K
      @phil__K 2 года назад +49

      Neither are obsolete

    • @u2beuser714
      @u2beuser714 2 года назад +72

      History tells us to never underestimate russian tanks

    • @warmbreeze7996
      @warmbreeze7996 2 года назад +13

      there was a french defense company that propose engine upgrade of t-72/90 with automatic gear and engine cooling system. they said that the reverse is the same of the forward one. if i find it i will leave the link

  • @egomaniac8510
    @egomaniac8510 2 года назад +482

    All the tech and armor don't mean squat if the crew can't stay proficient or abandon the equipment.

    • @nizloc4118
      @nizloc4118 2 года назад +70

      Or forget to bring gas

    • @CommonCentsRob
      @CommonCentsRob 2 года назад +4

      @@nizloc4118 😂

    • @jimjamauto
      @jimjamauto 2 года назад +28

      That's why the Sherman did well against the T-34 in Korea. Training and crew ergonomics.

    • @dananorth895
      @dananorth895 2 года назад +16

      Apparently they had plenty of fuel in Belarus. But decided to trade it all for vodka and munchies.

    • @shawnweed265
      @shawnweed265 2 года назад +12

      I was in Saudi working a CTR Terrorism Mission and saw multiple video feeds of SANG soldiers abandoning M1s when they came under small arms fire by Houthi light forces!!!...unbelievable. So yes, the tank is important...so is leadership...and technical and tactical proficiency...and of course, having some balls.

  • @sgtj.peldridge4567
    @sgtj.peldridge4567 2 года назад +513

    As an Abrams gunner I'm not allowed to tell you the exact number of penetration for the apfsds but I can say you have a very low estimate

    • @trololoev
      @trololoev 2 года назад +140

      as i know, "penetration" in russian and american army different, in russian penetration is when shell goes through armor, in american - in armor on other side bended. this is why javeline count in USA as 800mm ap, and same charge in russian sources count as 600mm.
      Same with armor - same level of protection in USA will count higher that in Russia. In usa "less that 50% bullet penetrate armor" in russia "not a single bullet penetrate armor" to be count as protected against some king of bullets

    • @bejaminmaston1347
      @bejaminmaston1347 2 года назад +18

      I'm guessing it's about 800-1000mm

    • @roberttoscani7690
      @roberttoscani7690 2 года назад +63

      @@trololoev yea and now we see the super russian tank school in action. Russian tanks, tank docktrine and tank school is totaly crap. Its working again wermacht in 43/44/45 but now he fight again modern weapon and He Loose heads

    • @trololoev
      @trololoev 2 года назад +64

      @@roberttoscani7690 well, why you think it didn't work? Russia slowly winning war, destroying 10 times more that lost and all this despite Ukrainian using civilians as human shields.

    • @jamesmandahl444
      @jamesmandahl444 2 года назад

      @Robert Toscani anyone making blanket judgements concerning any party in this war is a fool. The fog of war is so thick and thr propaganda so strong than anyone who pretends to know anything is ideologically deluded.

  • @R3nSleepy
    @R3nSleepy 2 года назад +156

    I'll compare the 2 once it gets into Pain T-
    Excuse me,(ehem) War Thunder

  • @janwitts2688
    @janwitts2688 2 года назад +965

    M1 has certainly come a long way since its 105mm rifled gun days..

    • @xmeda
      @xmeda 2 года назад +53

      but still uses some slave to load a gun

    • @LordOfChaos.x
      @LordOfChaos.x 2 года назад +57

      They didint managed to make capable cannons and opted for the 120 mm Rheinmetal German cannon which at that time outperformed all competition

    • @bololollek9245
      @bololollek9245 2 года назад +12

      @@allena5545 That would be possible with autoloader as well

    • @76456
      @76456 2 года назад +7

      @@allena5545 it can, have blowout panels:
      - put armour all around the carrocel, (making a square around it for simplicity), put the blown out panels on side hull or bottom, in the zone of the carrocel. Put blast door/hatch in the place were rounds are lifted to load. Done
      16:37 17:13 something like this

    • @bololollek9245
      @bololollek9245 2 года назад +3

      @@allena5545 dont3 gave a good answer.

  • @M2fiftycal
    @M2fiftycal 2 года назад +130

    Discussing tank vs tank stats is fun to kill time, but since the tanks are part of an overall force package, it's ultimately pointless. Can an Abrams kill a T-90? Yes. Can a T-90 kill an Abrams? Yes. Will two solitary tanks ever duel to the death on neutral ground? No, so ultimately it doesn't matter and they're both good at what they are intended to do. Tanks these days will never fight without supporting air cover, indirect fire assets, and supporting troops including a robust logistics capability, and that's going to influence the outcome more than anything. No tank can survive in an environment where the enemy controls the skies and there are substantial ATGM capabilities in the area. Doesn't matter how good the crew is or how great the tank is.

    • @Nick-wp1vb
      @Nick-wp1vb 2 года назад +30

      This is the correct answer. Nailed it. The success of the tank is going to be reliant on how well its deployed, supplied and supported. You could say the same for anything in the military I suppose.

    • @pashapasovski5860
      @pashapasovski5860 2 года назад +5

      Exactly, specially when there is a ocean between the two!

    • @v.s81
      @v.s81 Год назад +2

      Never say never

    • @getman_jp
      @getman_jp Год назад +1

      @@pashapasovski5860 как мы видим, океан уже не помеха)

    • @DJ-kr5zx
      @DJ-kr5zx 10 месяцев назад +1

      With anouncement of Abrams being donated to Ukraine and seeing how in this Russo-Ukraine war we have seen footage of tank on tank battles with mere 500 m distance ....i fear your comment might not age well lol.

  • @physetermacrocephalus2209
    @physetermacrocephalus2209 2 года назад +320

    Russians and Americans arguing about our tanks is my favorite tradition we hold between our two nations. It has become quite wholesome which is very ironic.

    • @Cavalier1645
      @Cavalier1645 2 года назад +30

      No offense to rest of world but Russians and American set the trends of Tank development. Everybody else is cutting their tank programs to nothing. Hell the British will cut their tank force by two thirds to afford the Challenger 3 leaving them a tank force that not even the size of tank brigade.

    • @defective6811
      @defective6811 2 года назад +44

      Russian and US, best frenemies

    • @therealmp40
      @therealmp40 2 года назад +31

      @@Cavalier1645 I would say the germans are pretty far ahead when it comes to tanks, I wouldn't say a Leopard is better than an Abrams or T-90 but they are definitely up there

    • @Cavalier1645
      @Cavalier1645 2 года назад +25

      @@therealmp40 Agreed. The Leo 2A7, Challenger 3 and the latest model of the Leclerc are excellent tanks on par with T90M and M1A2SEPv3. The only thing is all those countries are slowly cutting their tank programs into non existent. The British are the worst cutting their number of tanks by a third and have tank production that produces a handful tanks a year.

    • @egonieser
      @egonieser 2 года назад +18

      @@therealmp40 Germans only have a token force, in a case of an all out war, their numbers are meaningless. No point having a sophisticated tank if you can't roll them out on any numbers. 2 T-90 will always beat 1 Leo2. And the ratio is far greater than 2:1 even. More like 5:1 and that's only when we count the T-90's, there's T-80's, modernized T-72's, and if the war lasts for a long time, they can roll out their surplus cold war T-64B's and somewhat modernized T-55AM1's (yeah they're not match for a modern MBT but are still potent to everything else and at that point we can already assume the enemy is likely using sticks and stones too) - the numbers exceed that of the whole EU combined.
      History has taught us time and time again - the war is won by numbers, not sophistication.

  • @mitchrichards1532
    @mitchrichards1532 2 года назад +529

    Abrams is supported by a fully integrated combined arms team, to include electronic warfare and surveillance. I'd say that factors in pretty big in any "competition".

    • @niksonrex88
      @niksonrex88 2 года назад +28

      Bruh you coping.

    • @mitchrichards1532
      @mitchrichards1532 2 года назад +99

      @@niksonrex88 lol. are you agreeing or just in denial?

    • @niksonrex88
      @niksonrex88 2 года назад +15

      @@mitchrichards1532 im telling you youre coping cause the M1 is kinda whack.

    • @mitchrichards1532
      @mitchrichards1532 2 года назад +90

      @@niksonrex88 You sound like you would know. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @bigchungus1848
      @bigchungus1848 2 года назад +65

      @@niksonrex88 A 70 ton heavily armored war-machine with a 120mm main gun and near 50 mph top speed is whack? *I THINK NOT*

  • @expiredwater9019
    @expiredwater9019 Год назад +75

    I've driven a Leopard 1A5 with a steering wheel and a T-72M1 with tillers, I think the tillers give you more control over the tank than a steering wheel does.

    • @redemissarium
      @redemissarium Год назад +2

      T-90M using steerring wheel. Would that a mistake then?

    • @gamingwolf6735
      @gamingwolf6735 Год назад +14

      @@redemissarium The T-90M has tillers because Russia wanted to make it cheaper to produce
      edit: The picture of the drivers position could be a T-90A that is being upgraded to a T-90m but the drivers station was not finished

    • @juamu1132
      @juamu1132 Год назад

      tillers take a toll on the driver. with steering wheels as long as you know how to drive you can adjust to the steering control to your tank. plus you have better reverse speed.

    • @Asymmetrical-Saggin
      @Asymmetrical-Saggin 5 месяцев назад

      Everything Russian and Soviet is a mistake. Just like overall in general, a big mistake

  • @martinenglish6641
    @martinenglish6641 2 года назад +144

    The beauty of the Abrams design is that the initial Hull and Turret were foreseen to be updated and upgraded well into the future of the original manufacture and release. Going from one variant to another did not require a total redesign and remanufacturing of a new Hull and Terret.

    • @thecamocampaindude5167
      @thecamocampaindude5167 Год назад +10

      Adaptability, classic for american tanks

    • @Bitchslapper316
      @Bitchslapper316 Год назад +10

      They regularly build new hulls and turrets. Some tanks are "upgraded" but many of them are just new tanks.

    • @martinenglish6641
      @martinenglish6641 Год назад +2

      @@Bitchslapper316 That is true; sum hulls and turrets are just too used or damaged to reuse in an upgrade or refit. Thus new turrets and hulls are manufactured from scratch. If you strip the hull and turret down to the bare depleted uranium-enriched steel, they are all the same. For the most part, the hull and turret are die-cast. If that portion is still reusable too make an M1A3 X..... The Abrams M1A2 SEPV3 is a stop-gap until large enough M1A3 tanks are built. But that will be the last of the M1 series. Yes, The Abrams X will have a totally different hull and turret configuration and it too will be made to upgrade threw its lifespan. I loved working on that weapon system. :) The US military has all 3 variants in its arsenal, M1A1 xxx, M1A2 xxx, and the M1A3 xxx. They are working on the production facilities to mass produce the newer Abrams X and I am sure it will be renamed once it starts to show up in the US arsenal.

    • @martinenglish6641
      @martinenglish6641 Год назад +1

      @Marc Damon It is a tracked vehicle cleaning station and sub-freezing temperatures will play hell on the water spray hoses water ponding up. No vehicle with standard tread wheeled or tracked will do well on a smooth icy slope. Winter cold weather trends will do fine. I have been there and done that. Cleaning a vehicle in the winter is a bitch, regardless of the vehicle unless outfitted with the proper tread pads. That is a training video regardless. An armored crew must learn and know the limitations of their vehicles. Tank recovery vehicles must also know the limits of the vehicle in those conditions.

    • @bololollek9245
      @bololollek9245 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@thecamocampaindude5167Its true for any tank bro. Take m60, it was a whole other tank from the 1st version to the most modern, same with 1st leopard 2 and most modern leopard 2, and 1st T64 and latest T80 (yes T80 is basically upgraded t64), and 1st t72 to latest t72/t90, first T54 is whole other tank compared to latest T55.
      How does a main battle tank differ from its ww2/early cold war predecessors? Versatility.
      Versatility also means upgradeability. Versatility means capability to adapt to current situation: If facing tank you must be able to deal with tank, if facing infantry you must be able to deal with infantry, if facing modern threat, you must be able to modernize. That is why USA, Germany, USSR/Russia still use tanks developed in 1970s/80s, because their versatility has been great.
      Now, T64 and T72 is older that both Leo2 and Abrams, that is why Russia needs something like Armata, because they are soon about to exhaust the potential of the bare T64/T72. Bare Abrams and Leo2 were at first more modern to begin with. For a good while this was a non issue, until the 90s USA did not have the ammo to go through even T72B. The Silver arrow could (obvios from various Iraq expeditions), but at that time most Soviet/Russsian T72 was already with Kontakt-5, which once again was great.
      Then, Russia had the 90s and early 00s, basically 15 years of a shrinking military capability while NATO kept developing. This created the Russian defecit in tank capability we see today. Now, T80BVM and T90M "Breakthrough" are great vehicles, but being the best of the best that Russia has, they are still a bit behind the NATOs best Leo and best Abrams. The fact that Russia caught up as much as she did though, especially comparing defence spending, is crazy.
      But yeah, it is obvious that Russia needs to move on and that is why Armata was born.
      Is Armata the be-all end-all? No. But it is a new generation MBT that honestly will do well 50 years into the future. The possibility to upgrade the 125mm gun (that already is more powerful than newest 120mmL55) to 152mm is already there, new ERA will always be developed, APS is on its way to be better and better...
      Sure T14 is as of yet not even mass produced, but also it was more than 50 years ago since USSR/Russia designed a new tank completely from scratch, the same goes for USA and Germany. The T64 took extremely long to be mass produced to good reliability, but even if it took many years, the T64 was unmatched from its beginning until the late 80s, almost 20 years.

  • @TRPilot06YT
    @TRPilot06YT 2 года назад +92

    Well, the problem with the T90M is if Russia can field them

    • @henrihamalainen300
      @henrihamalainen300 2 года назад +37

      From the pics coming from Ukraine it seems that even the ERA panels in many of Russian tanks are empty and without the explosives those were supposed to contain. Quite possible that the person who was supposed to buy ERA just pocketed some of the money...
      Another problem for Russia is that they can´t produce good quality micro chips. At the moment all modern Russian electronics use imported micro chips and so now that they can´t get them it´s impossible for Russia to keep upgrading tanks with new fire-control, thermals etc.. It was already few weeks ago when the plant that produces T-90 halted production due to "logistical issues".

    • @TRPilot06YT
      @TRPilot06YT 2 года назад +12

      @@henrihamalainen300 Yeah true, ive heard about the ERA thing, someone must be burning a lot of papers.
      Ive also seen the microchip thing for the drones aswell, my civvilian handmade drone is even more sophisticated then the small observation drones they use

    • @HorstEwald
      @HorstEwald 2 года назад +1

      @@henrihamalainen300 Have you seen the Videos made by Perun by any chance? :D

    • @Silver_Prussian
      @Silver_Prussian 2 года назад +2

      @@henrihamalainen300 ahh yes the infamous cardboard pics yeah dont trust everybody axtualy many pictures and videos of damged russian tanks with exploded era or entirly missing era that means it worked.
      Also no that poat is a lie the era is there those things that actualy look like cardboard are part of the era.

    • @valenrn8657
      @valenrn8657 2 года назад +6

      @@henrihamalainen300 Actual ERA could be sold in the international arms black market.

  • @John_19k_doe
    @John_19k_doe 2 года назад +466

    I work on the abrams, and our master gunner has given us a class on stuff to come. A sep v3 is to replace all a1s and a sep v4 is coming in the future that will utilize the data link ammunition. It's basically for ballistics computing. But what's real special is the HEMP round [no joke it's called hemp] it's to replace HEAT/MPAT, CAN and OR. He said the new sabot's anti ERA capabilities are classified but he gave off the impression of yes it can go through sloped contact 5 at least. But I didnt remember to ask about RELIKT
    ALSO, UNLIKE HEAT and MPAT, HEMP doesnt have a copper penetrator. It uses 5 pounds of explosive and tungsten shrapnel matrix. So for PCs, it uses pure explosive force to inflict damage. It DOES penetrate concrete. That's the use for the different fuses [used in the data link. The data link will allow the gunner to select air burst, obstacle reduction [bunkers] and personell carriers [light vehicles]. But the data link stuff is for the SEP V4. The SEP V3 is already out and used so this upgrade is be on the SEP V4. But my master gunner isnt worried about russian ERA. But take that with a grain of salt

    • @John_19k_doe
      @John_19k_doe 2 года назад +55

      If u ask me, I think the abrams could do with heavy ERA and a simpler APS. The russians have some good ideas and it would be wise to use what works

    • @ServusIchBins
      @ServusIchBins 2 года назад +27

      Most crews don’t know most things of their tanks anyways. Even if, I don’t think he can tell you anything about it that isn’t public, otherwise he is committing a crime.

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 2 года назад +80

      @Чёрный Волк ATGM's are hard for any tank to stop. TOW II can defeat T-90 armor

    • @reserva120
      @reserva120 2 года назад +8

      @Чёрный Волк nah Russian training standards are pretty low, an the moral sucks.. the stupid cheapness of Russians undermines their effectiveness .. Beside our Great Ally Israel, a very advanced tech centric nation that really gives civil rights to mass murdering Arabs , (who's yours Syria !! hahahha).. sold us the new active system that should handle most things thrown at it.. Cheers , an Happy days..

    • @AJ-happydad
      @AJ-happydad 2 года назад +24

      @Чёрный Волк maybe you should re read your initial comment. Comes off as you are claiming that only Russian atgms are what he should worry about. When in reality it's all modern atgms any tanker should worry about. Thats like someone talking about the f35 and flight proformance. Then you come and say yeah but watch out for the s500 hurrdurrr.

  • @andbra6475
    @andbra6475 2 года назад +18

    nice to see some more in-depth content from you RedEffect, love the video and have been watching for around 3 yrs now.

  • @annestyk
    @annestyk 2 года назад +6

    great video dude, well done! especially your ability to concisely and clearly communicate the hard stats of the tank, that can be dry content, but you did a great job!

  • @jonathanscott8994
    @jonathanscott8994 2 года назад +57

    The engine of the Abrams did receive an upgrade ~2009 which while it didn't increase its Horsepower as far as I know it did increase its fuel efficiency by 2-3%

    • @rooikat8944
      @rooikat8944 2 года назад +13

      if that update is called tiger. increases service life from 700 hours to 1500 hours

  • @arnold2004
    @arnold2004 2 года назад +209

    „but there is another“
    *Superior Arjun noises.

    • @tomk3732
      @tomk3732 2 года назад +25

      Arjun jokes will be with us for the next 50 years.

    • @arnold2004
      @arnold2004 2 года назад +35

      @@tomk3732 Of course. This Tank will be for ever in the History books as the strongest Tank in the world. Like the Bob semple

    • @oddy1637
      @oddy1637 2 года назад +12

      Indians being Indians, "we r the BEEESSSSSSST!!!!!!"

    • @mritunjayharsh1119
      @mritunjayharsh1119 2 года назад +4

      @@tomk3732 hahaha your ass Still on fire 😂😂

    • @mritunjayharsh1119
      @mritunjayharsh1119 2 года назад +8

      @@arnold2004 no one ever said that Arjun is great ...
      They said it has problems but most of the problems dictate by Your Daddy Red effect was wrong 😂
      But you'll support your Daddy 😜 you have the best Daddy like Johnny Sin 😂

  • @cyka7705
    @cyka7705 2 года назад +430

    Would be cool if T-90 or Russian MBT in general finally have decent reverse speed

    • @sjwarialaw8155
      @sjwarialaw8155 2 года назад +69

      @Чёрный Волк Order 227 Comrade!

    • @KitchenFSink
      @KitchenFSink 2 года назад +79

      Only forward to Berlin uraaaa

    • @76456
      @76456 2 года назад +42

      T-90M and 80 have 10km/h reverse, but Once a Polish tanker told me that T-80 could go 35Km/h reverse, also you can just turn around

    • @CharliMorganMusic
      @CharliMorganMusic 2 года назад +16

      For retreat? Never. NOT ONE STEP BACK.

    • @TheArcticFoxxo
      @TheArcticFoxxo 2 года назад +1

      for?

  • @captainpatrofski1055
    @captainpatrofski1055 Год назад +10

    thank you for keeping the video as objective as possible, and extreamly well made video! Nice to see someone actually going deep into the tanks and finding reliable sources aswell as taking the given information to use. Many on youtube try to be very subjective, and end up making their videos very little informative as well as very uninteresting. Good job

  • @gmarie701
    @gmarie701 2 года назад +66

    No question that given the choice of being a crew member of the M1 vs T-90, I would pick the M1 a 100% of the time. Just based on the survivability alone. Throw in the fire control, main gun lethality, active protection, engine reliability and torque and overall fit and finish and it really is no contest.

    • @madaeon1
      @madaeon1 2 года назад +10

      If you're larger than 1.70m / 5'7" you wouldnt want to be in any russian tank with the exception of maybe the T-14. I'm around 6'3" and tried to hop into a former east german T-72, and I can tell you that wasnt a pleasant experience. Leopard 2 on the other hand (which I think should be roughly similar to an abrams, I think even a bit more cramped) was doable. I could even get to the drivers spot without much hassle.

    • @Ilamarea
      @Ilamarea 2 года назад

      M1 has atrocious engine reliability. You have to buy a couple spare engines for every tank.

    • @snuppssynthchannel
      @snuppssynthchannel 2 года назад +3

      @@Ilamarea Incorrect, the reliability of the AGT1500 is very good and the engine is well liked by its operators, and since turbine engines are usually very simple in terms of part count, its also very easy to repair. The common critique which has some validity to it is the fuel efficiency of that engine, which is under average in comparison to most contemporary tank engines, albeit still very operational for the U.S doctrine, which is very much based around having more fuel trucks available for their tank force then other nations armies. Anyways, I recommend checking out Spookston's youtube video "Why The M1 Abrams Uses A Turbine Engine" he may be American, but his content is usually well researched and unbiased.

    • @thephoenix756
      @thephoenix756 Год назад

      The T-90M has great survivability; only 6 (out of 200) have been taken out.

    • @Sitzenleben
      @Sitzenleben 3 месяца назад +1

      @@thephoenix756those six were the ones that went off to war

  • @TheKaMeLRo
    @TheKaMeLRo 2 года назад +103

    All Abrams just look almost the same from the outside, I'm excited for the new variants of T-72,T-80,T-90 more. It never bored me XD

    • @MrGreghome
      @MrGreghome 2 года назад +2

      You get to take the new T44M2 to war.

    • @theepicjs5541
      @theepicjs5541 2 года назад +10

      Well if we change every aspect on the Abrams is it really an Abrams then?

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 2 года назад +2

      I love the Abrams. It looks sexy to me.
      But maybe I'm just a "Freeaboo"

    • @semiedgv
      @semiedgv 2 года назад +4

      @@theepicjs5541 Tank of Theseus

    • @jacobsetser415
      @jacobsetser415 2 года назад

      Look up the abrams with tusk

  • @Hunter-rr5ue
    @Hunter-rr5ue 2 года назад +281

    Is it just me, or does the abrams keep getting uglier with every upgrade while the t-90 keeps looking better with every upgrade?

    • @warmbreeze7996
      @warmbreeze7996 2 года назад +30

      Both of them are nice

    • @hanhphuc166
      @hanhphuc166 2 года назад +87

      The tanks between T-72A to T-90M are quite ugly in my opinion. The T-90M is such a massive glow up.
      The Abrams are quite futuristic from the start but the Trophy APS makes every tank it is on looks retarded.

    • @albertoamoruso7711
      @albertoamoruso7711 2 года назад +48

      I've never liked the Abrams' aesthetic. And the one tone desert camo ia quite ugly. The European one is okay

    • @user-sg6zh6vr7h
      @user-sg6zh6vr7h 2 года назад +18

      @@hanhphuc166 i dunno i kinda like the aps, makes it look like it has those big ass balls on the metal gear from mgsv lol. The leopard's trophy though? Yeah thats definitely retarded looking.

    • @hanhphuc166
      @hanhphuc166 2 года назад +41

      @@user-sg6zh6vr7h Argg, Colonel, I'm trying to pass ths street but my active protection system is dummy thicc, the clank of metal keep alerting the gaurds..

  • @celebrim1
    @celebrim1 2 года назад +11

    I've seen so many T-90's ammo carousels light up after something kissed it, that I've taken to calling them "Putin's Ovens".

    • @arandomperson7713
      @arandomperson7713 2 года назад +3

      and how many of the cooked up?
      7. and those were t90As, not the modern T90Ms

    • @Germain-ys8zz
      @Germain-ys8zz Месяц назад

      @@arandomperson7713sure pal

  • @horatio8213
    @horatio8213 2 года назад +15

    Now myths of T-90 is dying with Russian arm forces on Ukrainian roads.

    • @IceAxe1940
      @IceAxe1940 2 года назад +2

      There's no T-90s anywhere near the Ukrainian front the vast majority of Russian tanks is there are T-72B3s and T-80 BVMs.

    • @sdrkrm
      @sdrkrm 2 года назад +5

      @@IceAxe1940 T80bvm has pretty much the same protection as the T90m, so no difference really.

    • @pabcu2507
      @pabcu2507 2 года назад +3

      @@sdrkrm t80bvm has far lower base armor than the t90

    • @sdrkrm
      @sdrkrm 2 года назад +6

      @@pabcu2507 lol, no it's not. T90 is t72 with an armor upgraded to t80 specs.

    • @ArtyomCCCP
      @ArtyomCCCP 2 года назад +1

      @@sdrkrm Still T-90A is another tank,not same turret,not same composition of ERA,modernized cannon, APS,etc,etc...

  • @justicar5
    @justicar5 2 года назад +8

    that protection against top attack aged badly....

    • @pabcu2507
      @pabcu2507 2 года назад +1

      Same can apply to other modern mbts regardless, results would’ve been the same if it hit other mbts, t90s and Abrams went up against obsolete weapons and poor nations if we’re being honest, not against a more powerful nation with more modern weaponry

    • @ser43_OLDC
      @ser43_OLDC 2 года назад

      yes but one thing. IN UKRAINE T90M HASN'T BEEN USED. Your comment is stupid by itselft

  • @SpartanWolf-dc4jd
    @SpartanWolf-dc4jd 2 года назад +33

    Looking back at this video, the breakdown of both tanks have been very informal and great observation of their perks and their discrepancies. A skilled tank crew rely on a well equipped tank to match their own threats of today. But a tank relies on a well trained crew to perform at its fullest. Excellent tanks to never underestimate, God speed to all.

  • @HairyBogTrotter
    @HairyBogTrotter 2 года назад +2

    Fascinating work, RedEffect. A friend recommeneded your channel. Keep it up!

  • @MGZetta
    @MGZetta 2 года назад +208

    You can't deny how good T90M looks. It looks thick, compact, and complete. I wonder what the APS on it looks like.

    • @Unreadylearner0
      @Unreadylearner0 2 года назад +12

      Amen to that id buy one of theses before a Abrams any day

    • @Homcomru
      @Homcomru 2 года назад +39

      Well uh... the APS isn’t really being installed on any Russian tanks, except “experimental stuff” (special versions of T90M and Armata included).
      So... it currently looks like “nothing” :D

    • @TheArrowedKnee
      @TheArrowedKnee 2 года назад +2

      Genuinely one of the best looking tanks i think, after the Leopard 2A6 - And this is just based on looks, nothing about their capabilities.

    • @TheArrowedKnee
      @TheArrowedKnee 2 года назад +11

      @@Robert-hr6sh AFAIK no T-90Ms have been taken out yet, but otherwise i agree, Russian armour has been like rolling coffins for them in Ukraine.

    • @angkoltrends2241
      @angkoltrends2241 2 года назад +21

      And now Ukrainian destroyed it hahaha

  • @mikeandhev
    @mikeandhev 2 года назад +6

    Another very informative tank video from you Red Effect, thank you and keep up the good work 👍

  • @dierkrieger
    @dierkrieger 2 года назад +16

    I saw in the news that a T90 had driven off a bridge and ended up on its top under water, the same thing happened to an Abrams in Iraq. What a horrible way to go.

    • @willl7780
      @willl7780 2 года назад +1

      no doubt...

    • @michaelccozens
      @michaelccozens Год назад

      Do the tanks not have crew-escape exits in the belly? I understood earlier tanks did. I can understand removing such things to increase protection from mines and IEDs and the like, but given the emphasis on the importance of highly-trained crew and the recovery of same where-ever possible, it seems weird that at least the Abrams wouldn't do everything possible to give the crew a chance to get out.

    • @saladv6069
      @saladv6069 Год назад +2

      @@michaelccozens given the prevalence of IEDs and anti tank memes and the rarity of a tank rolling into the water I think a hatch at the bottom might be worse for the crew.

    • @folx2733
      @folx2733 6 месяцев назад

      Why the f would you design a tank around the a singular case where it fell upside down in a river​@@michaelccozens

  • @BlvaKadavrah
    @BlvaKadavrah Год назад +7

    Idk which one is better, but you can definitely tell that US tank crews are better trained

    • @Slavic_Goblin
      @Slavic_Goblin Год назад

      US tank crews also tend to have more actual battle experience.

    • @acentrixes1380
      @acentrixes1380 Год назад +1

      @@Slavic_Goblin can you let us know when and how many times USA had tank to tank battle?

    • @Slavic_Goblin
      @Slavic_Goblin Год назад +2

      @@acentrixes1380 Hey, just cause they were seal-clublings, doesn't mean they don't count.

    • @night7185
      @night7185 Год назад +1

      @@acentrixes1380 a shitload in the 90s and early 2000s

  • @bear76009
    @bear76009 Год назад +4

    lol that top attack not being effective and the turret not going to the moon aged about as well as expired milk.

  • @FrantisekPicifuk
    @FrantisekPicifuk 2 года назад +64

    I recall The Chieftain mentioning that the Abrams has some sort of speed limiter or a speed governor on it's engine to prevent the tank from going too fast. If the weight of the tank rose to 70+ tons, do you think it would be possible to remove this speed limiter/speed governor to improve the power to weight ratio?

    • @a.m.armstrong8354
      @a.m.armstrong8354 2 года назад +35

      Wouldn't you want the limitor working the other way? Increased weight places greater stress on components if speeds stay the same or increase. Abrams engine hasn't been upgraded and it entered service with a fighting weight of 55t. 15tonnes on each suspension component, plus increased speeds is asking for trouble, but perhaps I'm wrong.

    • @FrantisekPicifuk
      @FrantisekPicifuk 2 года назад +2

      @@a.m.armstrong8354 Well. Yeah, if suspension, transmission and other supporting components werent upgraded and they werent overbuilt in the first place, then you would be correct. The limiter would have to work harder to limit the stress placed on these potentially overworked components.
      On the other hand, if these components are "within spec" for the weight they are working with, limiting the use of speed limiter could improve the power to weight ratio.

    • @antimatter4733
      @antimatter4733 2 года назад +28

      The speed limiter doesn't reduce the power, it just electronically prevents the tank from going over a certain speed, and having more weight you definitely wouldn't want to have the same tank going even faster.

    • @FrantisekPicifuk
      @FrantisekPicifuk 2 года назад +1

      @@antimatter4733 I see, so it doesnt affect acceleration, or torgue for example?

    • @antimatter4733
      @antimatter4733 2 года назад +20

      @@FrantisekPicifuk yep, just limits the top speed so the suspension and tracks aren't damaged on rough terrain

  • @CaveManSavage
    @CaveManSavage 2 года назад +8

    with superior combined arms training , and advanced training on the individual level i would bet on a us army mechanized division over a Russian one any day , they cant even run fucking coms , dont have maps of the AO, and are getting their shit pushed in by man portable weapon systems so looks like they didnt get that upgrade.

  • @milanmilan5340
    @milanmilan5340 2 года назад +4

    Again, one awesome material. Different schools, different solutions and approaches. Th truth is, the only real test is the military conflict, I guess that is the reason to keep small wars going. The sad, yet necessary fact in the current world. Thank you. Reading comments below, the audience grows significantly and appreciates the quality. That's inspiring

  • @Deathbomb9
    @Deathbomb9 2 года назад +107

    I'm not sure how accurate your sources are about the Abrams having 2nd gen thermals. I'd venture to argue that point. The optical zoom is 10× and digital zoom is 25× and 50× and is only used for spotting, identification, observation, and similar operations. Firing is never done using digital zoom because it is digital and the reticle can be out of place. The commander has even better thermals than the gunner and can fire the gun just as accurately using his display and CITV without having to piggyback off the GPS.

    • @castor3020
      @castor3020 2 года назад +22

      Another thing that came to mind was the shrugging way he mentioned that 3rd generation is automatically better than 2nd. Russian production of said optics is very new (read: low quality and lots of teething problems) and what information I found on the topic seems to point that the accuracy and effectiveness increase by the generational leap is a line drawn in water. Totally depends on who makes it and for what purpose.

    • @elitewavez4768
      @elitewavez4768 2 года назад +15

      @@castor3020 well red effect is russain so he's gonna say everything that's not russain is obsuleye

    • @niksonrex88
      @niksonrex88 2 года назад +10

      @@elitewavez4768 he doesnt do that and he isnt Russian lmao.

    • @elitewavez4768
      @elitewavez4768 2 года назад +8

      @@niksonrex88 he's a commi

    • @ltcuddles685
      @ltcuddles685 2 года назад

      @@elitewavez4768 you're a fool

  • @sarajenkins3485
    @sarajenkins3485 2 года назад +9

    I’m just here for the comments

  • @roceye
    @roceye Год назад +6

    Ukrainians just killed a T-90M with a Carl Gustaf or AT-4.... this tank is not a gamechanger

    • @mbtenjoyer9487
      @mbtenjoyer9487 Год назад +3

      They didn’t the Russian got ambushed and decided to destroy it to avoid it being captured
      It never got destroyed by Ukrainian

  • @TheNinjaGumball
    @TheNinjaGumball 2 года назад +12

    12:25 "So this, is a part of history for T-90 tanks"
    Are ya sure about that?

    • @Warhamer116
      @Warhamer116 2 года назад +1

      The Rock giving an inquisitive glare at the camera meme

    • @rogue__agent5884
      @rogue__agent5884 2 года назад +2

      There not in Ukraine

    • @oliverheller7209
      @oliverheller7209 2 года назад +4

      he ment its gonna be a part of history once it gets aps

  • @fredricksmith-something.2125
    @fredricksmith-something.2125 2 года назад +29

    Both are beautiful machines.
    And just as deadly. Each in their own way.
    I don't think any soldier that sees either one on the horizon would say " well, at least it's not a ...."

  • @Werepie
    @Werepie 2 года назад +12

    That claim that relikt defeats top-attack missiles has proved to be a bit wishful, in hindsight

    • @alalas7
      @alalas7 2 года назад +3

      it proved to be completely false

    • @justduro1527
      @justduro1527 2 года назад

      They didnt specify what kind of top-attack missiles
      it may stop some old ones

    • @freeblade3110
      @freeblade3110 Год назад

      Another T90M destroyed it. The Ukrainians only immobilised it.

    • @zeffy._440
      @zeffy._440 Год назад +3

      Given how poorly the Javelins have performed and how they didn't even work I would say the opposite

    • @thephoenix756
      @thephoenix756 Год назад +3

      It seems to have worked for the T-90M; the Ukrainians released a video of a T-90M surviving a Javelin hit; and it seems that the crew was able to bail out of the tank

  • @Ofenlicht
    @Ofenlicht 2 года назад +101

    A few days ago we got our first images of a destroyed T-90M. No signs of effective APS unfortunately for the crew.

    • @jamesmandahl444
      @jamesmandahl444 2 года назад +12

      Yup APS is showing its need in this war. Doesnt matter how good your armor and ERA is when someone can use even an RPG at your rear and disable/destroy you.

    • @terrymassie9796
      @terrymassie9796 2 года назад +4

      I heard rumors that the T-90 was hit with a artillery shell. Has anything been confirmed yet?

    • @colemantrebor1610
      @colemantrebor1610 2 года назад

      @@terrymassie9796 there was a video released, Ukrainians claim to have knocked of out with a Carl Gustav but in the video it is obvious that retreating Russians destroyed it. You can infer that it had been disabled, then a retreating t-72 shot it to deny the propaganda/ technical win for ukr.

    • @daniel3231995
      @daniel3231995 2 года назад +50

      it was deliberately destroyed by friendly russian tank from rear as it got immobilized.

    • @FileFixer007
      @FileFixer007 2 года назад

      @@terrymassie9796 ruclips.net/video/mjx_GMLF--Y/видео.html

  • @gma729
    @gma729 2 года назад

    Super Informative vid. Thank You Red Effect !!! Greatly Appreciated !!!!! Bravo 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @deathguppie
    @deathguppie Год назад +8

    Oooh, this hasn't aged well. I love the part where he says, "So this (video of turret blowing off) is a part of history for the T90 tanks."
    Turns out everything Russia had was overhyped, and everything the US has is under hyped, creating a huge disparity in actual effectiveness.

    • @tuvcek
      @tuvcek Год назад

      humvees humvess mraps mraps all destroyed nothing about the US army is good

    • @tuvcek
      @tuvcek Год назад

      abrams is over hyped it only fought againsts insurgents

    • @tuvcek
      @tuvcek Год назад

      @@tafdiz and they will be blown up like every tank

    • @alexbuuks8529
      @alexbuuks8529 Год назад +2

      Вся натовская техника очень хорошо горит. Это подтверждено всеми конфиликтами созданными сша. Америка будет гореть в адском огне. Этого желает большая часть мира

    • @mbtenjoyer9487
      @mbtenjoyer9487 Год назад +1

      Tell me u know nothing without telling me u know nothing

  • @colincampbell767
    @colincampbell767 2 года назад +22

    Interesting how the manufacturer's claims that the T-90 ERA will stop top attack weapons has turned out to be more hype than reality.

    • @WorldlyCoronet7
      @WorldlyCoronet7 2 года назад +1

      Russian tanks in Ukraine do not use Relikt tho

    • @voidtempering8700
      @voidtempering8700 2 года назад +2

      @@WorldlyCoronet7 Some do, but not in wide order, but it is possible the t-72b3m 2016 tanks are outfitted with relikt on the sides.

    • @WorldlyCoronet7
      @WorldlyCoronet7 2 года назад

      @@voidtempering8700 On the sides tho, how are they going to protect against top attacks? :/

    • @voidtempering8700
      @voidtempering8700 2 года назад

      @@WorldlyCoronet7 Nothing can unless you have APS systems.

  • @phased-arraych.9150
    @phased-arraych.9150 2 года назад +12

    Came here because a T-90M was recently destroyed in Ukraine. It was a smoldering wreck with the turret popped off just like any other T-type tank. It just goes to show that even Russia’s shallow attempts at modernization can’t save this inherently obsolete design.

    • @ntks6720
      @ntks6720 2 года назад

      Bad crew

    • @larisamikhaylova6782
      @larisamikhaylova6782 2 года назад +1

      @@ntks6720 crew was literally tank biathlon champions

    • @willl7780
      @willl7780 2 года назад

      and there are tons of ukraine wrecks also...its a real war not some bullshit peasant army with AKs and ieds

    • @user-ru3tu5rw9j
      @user-ru3tu5rw9j 2 года назад

      T-90M was destroyed from a Carl Gustav shot to its engine. Thats the weak spot for every tank , T-90M is well protected and for now there is not evidence that denies that

    • @philmybutup4759
      @philmybutup4759 2 года назад +1

      @@ntks6720 you think they’d give one of their best tanks to a bad crew?

  • @AndrewC6
    @AndrewC6 Год назад

    Fantastic video! Thank you for your work!

  • @helmedon
    @helmedon 2 года назад +38

    All I can say is that US Javelin missiles are popping the tops off Russian tanks in Ukraine right now.

    • @leeofthevoid
      @leeofthevoid 2 года назад +1

      Ye, but are the chances there just throwing junk at the situation and saving the good stuff for a final push once the Ukrainians are softened up

    • @giovannifoulmouth7205
      @giovannifoulmouth7205 2 года назад +13

      @@leeofthevoid looks like it's the Russians who are getting softened up actually 🤣

    • @Luis150697
      @Luis150697 2 года назад +1

      @@michaelschleckser3027 like 10 T90's and 100 T72's sent and another 10000 tanks waiting to be deployed.

    • @laggedoff
      @laggedoff 2 года назад +3

      @@Luis150697 nowhere near 10k tanks. that's absurd. in any case though, the javelins and other AT missiles are being delivered at a faster rate, and the russians are being held as well as pushed back.

    • @Luis150697
      @Luis150697 2 года назад +2

      @@laggedoff do your research, Russia had an estimate of 12000 tanks in his power.
      And Im talking about 12000 MBTs, like the Abrams type of tank.
      The down part of that is most numbers are cold war era tanks. And only T72s upgraded like the T72B3 and upwards are capable of use in modern war.
      But believe that Russia has a lot more of his power still in reserve. Why is it having such a difficult time invading a country with half of its power? That is the real question.

  • @Oheng75
    @Oheng75 2 года назад +5

    Turned out, the biggest weakness of the T-90 are its supply trucks...

    • @BlackICMenace
      @BlackICMenace 2 года назад +5

      I would argue it's Ukrainian farmers.

    • @your_waifu_hates_you
      @your_waifu_hates_you 2 года назад

      @@BlackICMenace which is a result of the suply trucks

    • @BlackICMenace
      @BlackICMenace 2 года назад

      @@your_waifu_hates_you Are you saying supply trucks are immune to being hauled away via Ukrainian farmers? I personally dare the Russians to leave any equipment unattended to test your theory.

    • @your_waifu_hates_you
      @your_waifu_hates_you 2 года назад

      @@BlackICMenace nope. Im saying why do you think those tanks are abandoned hmmm could it be because there are little to no suply trucks or any logistics supporting them??? 🤔🤔🤔

  • @supra3502
    @supra3502 Год назад +4

    Yeah, let's compare m1a2 sep3 which is nearly 1000 produced , to T-90 that only produced in 350-400 in ALL modifications , so T90M is like half of it maximum, I am sure it's less than 100 tanks T90M, but it could be 150-200. But, 1000vs200 ? Really? It's like F35 can not destroy squadron of russian SU57 (best russian fighter), because there are not enough SU57 to create one squadron

  • @gorhcpgoNEW
    @gorhcpgoNEW 2 года назад +3

    Every video where someone reads off the Russian approved specs of their equipment should have that epic titanic flute playing in the background.

  • @stormtroopergamer5024
    @stormtroopergamer5024 Год назад +6

    After seeing the Russians performance in Ukraine. In my opinion the M1 Abrams can easily defeat the T-90. This is my opinion. I would love to here your thoughts.

  • @Finngolian
    @Finngolian 2 месяца назад +4

    12:27 ohhhhhhhh boy....

  • @Draconisrex1
    @Draconisrex1 2 года назад +7

    lol. The Ukrainians are crushing T-90s like they're T-34s...

    • @arandomperson7713
      @arandomperson7713 2 года назад

      they only took out 7 of them and the only t90M (the modern version) was destroyed by friendly fire at pont-blank range by a friendly tank to prevent capture after its immobilisation

    • @horrorgames1874
      @horrorgames1874 4 месяца назад

      Bradley laugh's in the corner🤣🤣
      Bradley destroyed T-90M with it's only gun😂😂​@@arandomperson7713

    • @RusselTanTing-kf8zm
      @RusselTanTing-kf8zm 3 месяца назад +1

      There was NO tank to tank duels between these two juggernauts

  • @wtcb7892
    @wtcb7892 2 года назад

    Great comparisons RE!

  • @jameslawrie3807
    @jameslawrie3807 2 года назад +107

    So glad to see the CROWS is getting a height reduction. Taller vehicles are vehicles that get hit more often and junk festooning turret tops are begging to get sprayed with autocannon.

    • @Mungobohne1
      @Mungobohne1 2 года назад +10

      Like in warthunder ?

    • @Likeaworm
      @Likeaworm 2 года назад +6

      @@Mungobohne1 sufferthunder*

    • @insultinsultan705
      @insultinsultan705 2 года назад +1

      Thought we'd learned our lesson with the m60s ffs lol

    • @cstgraphpads2091
      @cstgraphpads2091 2 года назад +1

      I mean, I guess if you want to waste ammo and give your position way on a .50 cal machine gun...

    • @jameslawrie3807
      @jameslawrie3807 2 года назад +7

      @@cstgraphpads2091 When they were testing the 30mm on the BMP-2 they found just by spraying the deck of a tank they could pierce the periscopes, turret top garbage and gun tube at combat ranges making it a mission kill. Really, the only reason to have that much clutter on top of your armour is is that you don't need to worry about detection from another AFV.

  • @hajmat2783
    @hajmat2783 Год назад +5

    Orcs will run anyways. It don't matter what tank they live in.

  • @danielcervantes7826
    @danielcervantes7826 Год назад +7

    I think a good measure for the increase in the hull armor upgrade for the SEP V3 is by looking at the amount of weight simulators for the test vehicle.

  • @jerryumfress9030
    @jerryumfress9030 2 года назад +32

    We already know the life expectancy of the T-90 is about 35 seconds once itis sighted in by an NLAW or Javelin

    • @mbtenjoyer9487
      @mbtenjoyer9487 2 года назад +5

      No it wasn’t

    • @jaggerfoxland8103l
      @jaggerfoxland8103l 2 года назад +26

      Well same could be said if the Javelin was used against the Abrams.

    • @neilrusling3438
      @neilrusling3438 2 года назад +15

      Russia now on day 100 of glorious Russian 14 day special operation...
      All going according to plan......................??????

    • @bear76009
      @bear76009 Год назад +5

      @@jaggerfoxland8103l yea but russia doesnt have the javelin now do they?

    • @kuunoooo7293
      @kuunoooo7293 Год назад +2

      @@bear76009 that doenst really matter becaus it would still blow up against javelins, its about the tank not the enemy's equipment, mabye abrams would never face top attack munitions but that doenst mean it wouldnt blow up

  • @97MrBlues
    @97MrBlues Год назад +18

    Love the fact that these are sent into oblivion with Javelin these days 😃

    • @xD3MONxIxSOULx
      @xD3MONxIxSOULx Год назад +3

      Yeah but these tanks don't die before sending a few Ukrainians into oblivion too. And that's according to volunteers that return home after their first encounter with Russian forces.

    • @97MrBlues
      @97MrBlues Год назад +6

      @@xD3MONxIxSOULx 😆😆🤡

    • @garmfield2977
      @garmfield2977 Год назад

      @@97MrBlues why are they grabbing ukie civilians off the streets then? A surprise party? surely they must have lots of infantry since only russia takes losses, right?

  • @victorguzman2302
    @victorguzman2302 2 года назад +7

    This has not aged well. A number of this Russian tank have been destroyed in Ukraine….

  • @Daniel-jg8ff
    @Daniel-jg8ff 2 года назад +10

    The specificity of the T-90M charging machine solution is the requirement to charge two types of cartridges, differing in the length of the bullet and cartridges. These are the subcaliber cartridges 3VBM69 "Vakuum-1" and 3VBM70 "Vakuum-2" whose assuits of penetration subcaliber rounds are 900 mm long and the introduced penetration subcaliber rounds (and other types of rounds) for which the maximum length of the bullet or bullet assembly is not more than 740 mm (project S pooch). They also differ in the length of the cartridge.
    In order to fire both the penetration subcaliber cartridges 3VBM69 "Vakuum-1" and 3VBM70 "Vakuum-2" and all types of introduced ammunition of caliber 125 mm, a dual-flow system was required. For the penetration subcaliber hubs 3VBM69 "Vakuum-1" and 3VBM70 "Vakuum-2", a counter-automatic charging device (from the Black Eagle project) was used to shoot a splunching, a cumulative and programmable spledug ammunition, or even penetration subcaliber cartridges with a "short" bullet set, used an established carousel automatic charging device system (T-72, T-90). The dual automatic charging system thus consists of two functionally independent automatic charging systems, a counter and a carousel automatic charging device.
    The counter-automatic charging device is stored in a cabinet that is mounted at the back of the tower. In the counter tray, the cartridges are stored horizontally, the shell and the cartridge behind each other in one bed. The retractable mechanism inserts the bullet and cartridge together into the barrel at one stage. Charging the barrel is easier and faster (up to 12 rounds per minute). Such an arrangement of storing the bullet and cartridge set in one bed increases the rate of fire to the same value as achieved when automatically charging a single charge, making it more effective to fire on the opponent's armored vehicles. This solution is based on the knowledge of the Black Eagle counter-automatic charging device.
    A carousel automatic charging device (T-72) placed at the bottom of the tank hull was left in the turret combat area to store cumulative, three-tearing and programmable splint ammunition, or even armor-fighting subcaliber rounds with a "short" set of "Sviněc" projectiles. The "Vacuum" assertive subcaliber cartridges can only be used with the 2A82-1M tank cannon, because only it can fire with both a "short" and a "long shot". That's why the idea of how to solve automatic charging devices began to work out so that the 2A82-1M tank cannon could be installed in standard tank turrets (T-72, T-90).
    The designers came to a simple and elegant solution during the solution of the OKR development program "Proryv-2", which was ideologically similar to what the Kharkiv designers did on the T-64A in their time.
    If the set of penetration subcaliber cartridges "S porch-1 3BM59" and "Pore-2 3BM60" with a length of 740 mm fits into the rotary magazine of the automatic charging device, what must be done to store the set of penetration subcaliber cartridges "Vacuum" with a length of 900 mm in the rotary magazine? The difference in length between these assoulings is 160 mm. The thickness of the T-72 and T-90 hull in the tower storage area is 80 mm. So 80 + 80 = 160, that is the desired 160 mm. Small cut-outs were made in the sides of the hull, which were then covered with matching armor plates from the outside. The solution received is simple and elegant. This is exactly how the designers in Kharkiv proceeded, pro-prolicing the side of the T-64A in the area of the automatic charging device, which they then covered with armor plates. However, in the case of tagil's automatic charging device, there is only a minimal overlap, which can be clearly seen in the pictures.
    In this way, the 2A46M tank cannon can be easily confused with the 2A82-1M cannon, since all the contact dimensions and design of the joints are the same.
    In order to charge the penetration subcaliber bullet "Vacuum", the charging position angle was increased mainly to 12°. Other changes to the automatic charging device are as follows. First of all, the diameter of the rotating magazine increased. This is because the original design was designed for a 740 mm long penetration subcalibration bullet. The cassette lifting mechanism and the retractable mechanism have also been modified. To charge a 900 mm armor-on subcaliber, the cassette lifting mechanism bracket has been shaped curved to change the trajectory of the lifting of the bullet cassette so that the design and dimensions of the turret itself do not have to change. The automatic charging device can thus be inserted into the existing dimensions of the combat space of the unified combat module - turret.

  • @ethanmckinney203
    @ethanmckinney203 2 года назад +12

    Are we sure that the T-90M weight is the all-up weight? The small increase from the previous variant make me wonder if these are sales brochure numbers that leave out crew, ammunition, and fuel.

    • @Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here
      @Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here 2 года назад

      The new redesigned turret on the T-90M probably cut down on a lot of weight employing more up to date composite armor

  • @DinoNucci
    @DinoNucci 2 года назад +8

    Does the T90 even really exist?

  • @1LERS1
    @1LERS1 Год назад +16

    Well, that aged poorly. There is no "superpower" as Russia anymore. The scary "bear" was a paper cutout all this time.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Год назад +5

      Ain’t that the truth. You’ve seen the videos of the rusted AKs that the Russians are giving their conscripts?

    • @1LERS1
      @1LERS1 Год назад

      @@baneofbanes I don't know about rusted AK's, but I know that the equipment of their foot troops is real shit, like expired rations, boots that don't match, helmets of WW2 era, and etc. I'm not even talking about Lugansk and Donetsk "republics" conscripts, as those guys are just canon fodder with no protection whatsoever, and Mosin nagants rifles. Russia will lose this war, the question is only when, as the psycho from the kremlin will now ruthlessly throw tens of thousands of untrained, poorly equipped mobilized conscripts into the shredder of Ukraine Artillery, raking up the body count on both sides exponentially.
      This whole mobilization stunt is just plain stupidity, and reminds me of old soviet tactic, where hundreds of thousands soldiers just being thrown into meatgrinder to achieve a meager "wins".

    • @Howdy762
      @Howdy762 Год назад +3

      well said

    • @cmdrgarbage1895
      @cmdrgarbage1895 Год назад

      @Milk Guzzler Well for one Korea saw absolute massive Chinese casualties compared to American losses and Afghanistan was military victory.
      Russia is no longer a superpower because they lack the army, economy and cultural influence they used to have.

    • @cmdrgarbage1895
      @cmdrgarbage1895 Год назад

      @Milk Guzzler Well for one i'm not American you silly boy. Secons of all, that is no counter argument to my point, militarily the US always came out on top.

  • @oxy2406
    @oxy2406 2 года назад +16

    I need another tank arena series

  • @markwaghorn
    @markwaghorn 2 года назад +7

    FGM-148 Javelin ATGM doesn't care about tank comparisons it just kills them all

  • @MisteriosGloriosos922
    @MisteriosGloriosos922 2 года назад

    *Amazing!!, thanks for sharing these videos!!! Liked & Subcribed!!!*

  • @zolikoff
    @zolikoff 2 года назад +181

    2:15 The toxicity of tungsten is still quite unclear, but from some of the available studies it does indeed seem like it is less toxic than uranium. *However* uranium is about as toxic as lead, and yet this does not stop lead from being used abundantly in small arms ammo. Ultimately the point is to reliably destroy your target, why would you choose the *second* best tool for the job?
    The round indeed may be for export, Russia is known for having downgraded variants of its equipment for export purposes. It could also be a backup type of ammo, although as far as I know uranium is much cheaper than tungsten; perhaps manufacturing limitations could apply.

    • @MrGreghome
      @MrGreghome 2 года назад +26

      Toxicity and radiation comes into play with DU rounds.
      Tungsten is just a heavier metal than steel, but it is not radioactive.
      Also, lead is a lot cheaper than steel, tungsten, or uranium, which is why it's used everywhere in small arms. It is also denser than steel.

    • @sys3248
      @sys3248 2 года назад +4

      Uranium ex reactors emit radioactivity and will remain radioactive even when they vaporized to nothing.

    • @zolikoff
      @zolikoff 2 года назад +30

      @@MrGreghome Uranium radioactivity is negligible compared to its toxicity, so it is rather unimportant. Toxicity is important of course, but it is comparable to lead, so if it is acceptable to use lead as ammunition, it is also acceptable to use uranium.
      Yes, lead is much cheaper, of course. But for APFSDS you aren't going to be using it.

    • @Mungobohne1
      @Mungobohne1 2 года назад +14

      This lead comparison is to be honest… quite dense..

    • @gumelini1
      @gumelini1 2 года назад +5

      The same reason why Germany refuses to use depleted uranium ammunition.Tungsten is safer for the environment

  • @BlancaLLopez
    @BlancaLLopez 2 года назад +13

    Now in Ukraine, we know that Russian tanks (including t-90m) are made of butter.

    • @user-ru3tu5rw9j
      @user-ru3tu5rw9j 2 года назад

      There is a single T-90M destroyed in Ukraine with a shot to its engine . Maybe the propaganda your watching has made your brain into butter

    • @BlancaLLopez
      @BlancaLLopez 2 года назад

      @@user-ru3tu5rw9j If you have ever eaten cow brains you would know that brains are "buttery". But I digress.
      Actually, two T-90m have been destroyed in Ukraine. Only two. You know why? Because Russia does not have many T-90ms. Because Russia is a poor third-world country that cannot afford many of the weapons that a modern army needs. You know, Russia spends hundreds of millions on propaganda because it cannot afford to spend hundreds of billions on R&D and production. Very simple, really.

    • @slavicemperor8279
      @slavicemperor8279 2 года назад

      Based on what exactly?

    • @BlancaLLopez
      @BlancaLLopez 2 года назад

      @@slavicemperor8279 Videos on RUclips. The best news source on earth, mate.

    • @slavicemperor8279
      @slavicemperor8279 2 года назад

      @@BlancaLLopez Sorry, but based on what exactly did you conclude that T90M is bad?

  • @GK11415
    @GK11415 2 года назад

    Great video, thanks. Great information.

  • @fratercontenduntocculta8161
    @fratercontenduntocculta8161 Год назад +9

    Funny thing is Ukraine finally captured a T-90M so I guess we'll know the real answer soon

  • @broncodad4773
    @broncodad4773 Год назад +8

    boy this didnt age well lol

  • @kendall280z
    @kendall280z 2 года назад +4

    Cool comparison, but I believe the Americans would just call in an air strike instead of going tank v tank

  • @unclejai4348
    @unclejai4348 2 года назад

    Very nice content , well done.! Im from Malaysia and even im not very good in english but i still enjoy watching your video because of its details.. Good job.. 👍👍👍

  • @yogaboy55
    @yogaboy55 2 года назад

    Well done. Interesting and informative.

  • @davidmurphy563
    @davidmurphy563 2 года назад +8

    I've never seen them with the turrets on before.

  • @pit_viper2013
    @pit_viper2013 5 месяцев назад +4

    These are both modern and powerful military vehicles. Each of them has its pros and cons, but both tanks will be dangerous to the enemy.

    • @IceAxe1940
      @IceAxe1940 Месяц назад

      An actual nuanced comment.

  • @NorroTaku
    @NorroTaku Год назад +1

    appreciate that you talked about power to weight raitio!

  • @wrathofatlantis2316
    @wrathofatlantis2316 2 года назад +16

    The comment about the very slow 5-6 km/h reverse speed of T-72s and T-90s is very interesting (in light of recent videos from the Ukraine war), particularly when contrasted with the 12 km/h reverse speed of the T-80... The T-80/T-64 branch always appeared to me to have been better tanks generally than the T-72/T-90 branch... Many, many basic features seemed to have been better, all the way back to the T-64. The T-64 factory was lost for Russia upon the dissolution of the USSR, as it was in Ukraine, if my understanding of this is correct?

    • @yuyy8565
      @yuyy8565 Год назад +2

      The t64 is more similar to t72 than t80, it has 4 km/h reverse as well

    • @viktordragovich94
      @viktordragovich94 Год назад +1

      the T64 chassis is not reliable and starts to break down after 42 tons.And the engine is weak. The best was t80u and t80ud.

  • @justinkendollrozinek
    @justinkendollrozinek 2 года назад +11

    This video did not age well. 🤣

  • @OGdirty1Kanobi
    @OGdirty1Kanobi 2 года назад +33

    The latest M1A2 would have no problem against anything Russia can throw against it.. I think the only tank that would give it a run for its money is the leopard C2A7.. the t90s are basically an upgraded T72 ... although Russian officials will disagree and say it's a totally new platform but lol just look at its hull and turret superstructure

    • @Warhamer116
      @Warhamer116 2 года назад +7

      T90's are basically Russian Arms exporters looking at Gulf War and the absolutely embarrassing amount of T-72 losses, drawing air between their teeth, and re-branding T-72's with upgrade packages as 'T-90's in order to not drive away tank sales for India and China who also looked at the Gulf War and then took a serious look at the same T-72's that they had bought from Russia.

    • @OGdirty1Kanobi
      @OGdirty1Kanobi 2 года назад +15

      @@Warhamer116 yup the m1 crews from the 1st gulf War said it was no competition was like shooting ducks.. the fire control systems the ammo the training everything just surpasses the Russian tanks and crews ... I feel sorry for tankers in them thinking they are superior modern MBTs when they are tinder boxes

    • @NKVD_Enjoyer
      @NKVD_Enjoyer 2 года назад +5

      cope

    • @LyonPercival
      @LyonPercival 2 года назад +9

      @@NKVD_Enjoyer 2022 Bolshevik tanks in ukraine couldn't even hide from Javelins and NLAWs in their cope cages 😛

    • @b-17gflyingfortress6
      @b-17gflyingfortress6 2 года назад +15

      @@LyonPercival There is no tank that can hide from Javelins except the ones with APS if only said APS has top protection

  • @BleakVision
    @BleakVision 2 года назад +2

    With all those chains and bags hanging on it, the T90 looks as flamboyant as Xerxes from 300.

  • @richcline89
    @richcline89 11 месяцев назад +3

    When you play make believe you end up with 3-day special operations that last for years…

    • @WhiteReconcista
      @WhiteReconcista 11 месяцев назад

      are you talking about vietnam, iraq, afghanistan?

    • @richcline89
      @richcline89 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@WhiteReconcista did anyone say those were going to be 3 day operations???

    • @WhiteReconcista
      @WhiteReconcista 11 месяцев назад

      @@richcline89
      Russia declared somewhere about three days?

    • @richcline89
      @richcline89 11 месяцев назад

      @@WhiteReconcista perhaps that’s the question you should have led with, since Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have nothing to do with with Russian expectations in Ukraine… or the Russian reality in Ukraine…

    • @WhiteReconcista
      @WhiteReconcista 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@richcline89
      seriously?
      Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Africa and Afghanistan are united by the fact that the Americans were kicked in the ass.
      In Ukraine, we are defeating NATO proxies.
      Kyiv in three days? And we would have taken it in three days, but within the framework of the Istanbul agreements, we voluntarily withdrew troops. And we were deceived by the British.

  • @renovatio1257
    @renovatio1257 2 года назад +5

    I am sure India is regretting the purchase and deployment of Russian designed tanks.

    • @captainalex157
      @captainalex157 2 года назад

      India romanticizes russia its sad and hilarious. Especially since their biggest threat is china, which is close to russia! completely insane. Not the smartest bunch. Hopefully they can still shift it around before its too late.

    • @arandomperson7713
      @arandomperson7713 2 года назад

      It isn't. T-90M has comparable amounts of firepower and armor for far less weight, which is useful on the geography of the country.

    • @captainalex157
      @captainalex157 2 года назад

      @@arandomperson7713 t90s blow up just like t72s, just look at ukraine, plenty of t90 turrets lying around lol.

  • @vincentkuzniar7446
    @vincentkuzniar7446 Год назад +3

    Might have to update this video in the ERA part lol. Turns out it's rubber who knew.

  • @2HeadEagle
    @2HeadEagle 2 года назад +42

    T90 is just an upgraded T72.

    • @razony
      @razony 2 года назад +6

      Yup!

    • @praiha
      @praiha 2 года назад +9

      Yep, still inferior to upgraded T-80. T-90M is supposed to be cheaper to produce than the expensive T-80.

    • @alessa9464
      @alessa9464 2 года назад +1

      They look the same not gonna lie lol

    • @peekaboo1575
      @peekaboo1575 2 года назад +3

      @@alessa9464 They kinda do. The T90 is a somewhat modified/modernized T72 which is a cheaper, mass-produced version of the T64 which went on to become the T80. :D

    • @georgehall7749
      @georgehall7749 2 года назад +3

      And explode like a roman candle just the same, killing the entire crew. The most valuable and hard to replace part of a tank.

  • @Pythos_Sapunov
    @Pythos_Sapunov Год назад +28

    12:28 this aged well

    • @acentrixes1380
      @acentrixes1380 Год назад +1

      "this aged well" wanna show everyone the video?

    • @Pythos_Sapunov
      @Pythos_Sapunov Год назад +1

      @@Turist-22 Rogozin could use some of that copeium right about now 🤣

    • @Pythos_Sapunov
      @Pythos_Sapunov Год назад

      but also, if you cant bother to look it up yourself, then there is no reason to share the reddit, twitter posts showing a T-90m without its turret in a convoy. I'm just here to have a laugh and wish every Russian invader a very Merry Dead.

    • @acentrixes1380
      @acentrixes1380 Год назад +2

      @@Pythos_Sapunov video does not show that it's a T-90M

    • @Pythos_Sapunov
      @Pythos_Sapunov Год назад

      @@Turist-22 don’t talk about yourself like that! You typed all this and yet you still haven’t googled T-90M Turret toss Video Reddit Twitter. Being that you aren’t looking for it yourself, YOU don’t want to see it because you believe that the video author is correct, and see no point in looking for evidence to the contrary. That and also its fun to see you get all BENT outta shape. How is Rogozin BTW?

  • @news_internationale2035
    @news_internationale2035 2 года назад +4

    9:35 If there is no bypass, they'll be vulnerable in urban combat since it can't see through glass. On top of it, auto glass usually has additional anti-IR treatment.

  • @stevelenox152
    @stevelenox152 2 года назад +32

    If I had to choose between the two im going for the Abrams.

    • @myopicthunder
      @myopicthunder 2 года назад +9

      In a video game like scenario yeah, but if you were a commander planning an operation against near peer adversary you'd pick the t90 for logistical reasons, Abrams is almost twice the weight of the T90 and consumes a lot more fuel these are limiting factors in the real world to actually get them on the battlefield firstly and then how far they can go before needing a convoy of fuel trucks to refuel. These problems were evident during 2nd gulf war when Abrams couldn't cross bridges and needed to refuel and slowed down the whole push.

    • @hobblesofkarth3943
      @hobblesofkarth3943 2 года назад +16

      @@myopicthunder the abrams has similar range to all other MBTs. Big ass fuel tank and alot of upgrades keep it competitive.

    • @Rampant16
      @Rampant16 2 года назад +19

      @@myopicthunder Your comment didn't age so well. It comes down to the army using the tank. The US Army has displayed it has the logistic capability to keep it's vehicles rolling. The Russian Army has shown the opposite. Fuel efficiency only goes so far, if you can't fuel the vehicles at all you're in trouble.

    • @myopicthunder
      @myopicthunder 2 года назад +4

      @@Rampant16 yeah nothing exists in a vacuum without other factors

    • @zeffy._440
      @zeffy._440 Год назад +1

      I would choose the T-90 personally

  • @richelle9563
    @richelle9563 2 года назад +2

    RedEffect you encourage me to follow my passion, and it's to become a "Tanker"🥰 even tho it seems impossible for me.

  • @mikedrop4421
    @mikedrop4421 2 года назад +53

    @12:28 you stated that launching its turret was part of history now. I mean yeah, the T-90 that launched its turret yesterday it is technically history.

    • @madaeon1
      @madaeon1 2 года назад

      I think we have to accept that russia is a massive mafia state. I would guess someone was tasked with installing blow-out panels into the T-90s and just didnt do it and just pocketed the money. Or installed sub-par material.
      Whats also possible is that the existence of some of the upgrades is only propaganda in the first place. Or the upgrades simply do not work. With a state like russia everything is possible.

    • @Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here
      @Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here 2 года назад +8

      The T-90M never blew its turret into the air based on the footage, you have no idea what you are talking about

    • @mikedrop4421
      @mikedrop4421 2 года назад

      @@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here it was a joke. Refukinlax

    • @mbtenjoyer9487
      @mbtenjoyer9487 2 года назад +11

      T-90 and T-90M are completely different

    • @roceye
      @roceye Год назад +5

      Ukrainians are taking them out with AT-4s- lololololol

  • @blackcat.19
    @blackcat.19 2 года назад +13

    Russia is not a superpower. It’s a regional superpower at best and even that is an if.

    • @Paytrolah
      @Paytrolah 2 года назад +3

      I reckon their military is like, top 20? Reckon they could take Singapore if you put them side by side? I think Singapore would shred their airforce and then just bomb them into the dirt tbh.

    • @NKVD_Enjoyer
      @NKVD_Enjoyer 2 года назад

      Tell me you are braindead without telling me you are braindead

    • @NKVD_Enjoyer
      @NKVD_Enjoyer 2 года назад

      ​@@Paytrolah You live probably on Uranus?

    • @mrkacperso8974
      @mrkacperso8974 2 года назад

      @@NKVD_Enjoyer for almost a month russian children cannot even defeat one of the poorest country in region, that’s a fact everyone around the world sees. Your propaganda only works inside your decrepit state.

  • @soumyajitsingha9614
    @soumyajitsingha9614 2 года назад +5

    well T 90M got blown up and made a nice hunt kill for Javelin and it was pleasing to say the least in Ukraine destroying Russian flag tank

    • @nyanuar123
      @nyanuar123 2 года назад

      took 7 atgm shots but ok. wasnt a javelin bbut ok. wasnt reportedly a ukraiann soldier but ok. it was a carl gustav but ok.

    • @soumyajitsingha9614
      @soumyajitsingha9614 2 года назад +1

      @@nyanuar123 ok if carl gustav a rocket launcher mostly can take out T 90 I bet what havoc Javelin or NLAWs would birng upon T 90s

    • @mbtenjoyer9487
      @mbtenjoyer9487 2 года назад

      @@soumyajitsingha9614 it wasn’t even destroyed by Karl Gustav
      It only disabled the tracks
      The Russian tank behind it destroyed it
      So do some research before speaking nonsense

    • @soumyajitsingha9614
      @soumyajitsingha9614 2 года назад

      @@mbtenjoyer9487 whatever go watch armored cast video title your favorite tank sucks T 90 amd thats what might open you eyes

    • @mbtenjoyer9487
      @mbtenjoyer9487 2 года назад

      @@soumyajitsingha9614 I already watched it and it’s filled with misinformation

  • @cherrypoptart2001
    @cherrypoptart2001 2 года назад +6

    the anti rpg nets on the T-90M looks so mean, kinda like something out of doom or a futuristic shooter

  • @mbukukanyau
    @mbukukanyau 2 года назад +6

    You kidding, The Russian tank would be eaten alive. Russian performance in Ukraine has showed us this channel is Russian sales channel

  • @markmata389
    @markmata389 2 года назад +16

    I would only look to the current situation in Ukraine and determine how well the T-90 is. Guessing China has some reservations on what they bought. Javelin is kicking ass and taking names. Bring on the Armada, like to see it dissected also.

  • @partyrob1174
    @partyrob1174 2 года назад +9

    Javelin Missle just dropped by my place to say "Cope"

  • @camaradacomissario9641
    @camaradacomissario9641 2 года назад

    Good channel! Sadly I can't support at Patreon because dollar is too expensive in my country now, but I liked your video and subscribed.

  • @iquillizer33
    @iquillizer33 2 года назад +8

    Who the hell is watching this after The Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    • @PerturaBased
      @PerturaBased 2 года назад

      No one

    • @iquillizer33
      @iquillizer33 2 года назад

      @@PerturaBased if nobody is watching it why the frick are you here

    • @maniacmonsoon2831
      @maniacmonsoon2831 2 года назад

      @@iquillizer33 Because he's a nobody

    • @iquillizer33
      @iquillizer33 2 года назад +1

      @@maniacmonsoon2831 Yet you're here to reply?

    • @NKVD_Enjoyer
      @NKVD_Enjoyer 2 года назад +2

      ukra-bots, sadly