Are Video Games Art?
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@@joli7948 This has been apologized for and efforts to make amends have been attempted multiple times over years. Go to Disneyland, Disneyworld, go wherever. It's ok to like things, also, you seem to have missed the point or ignored the point of the original statement. The statement was to make sure that adults didn't step on the experience of children by prioritizing their own experience above those children. It would seem fitting to call any adult who would knowingly diminish a Childs enjoyment to fuel the adults, an immature adult, and frankly, we all believe you to be capable of being an adult who wouldn't do such a thing, especially because of the things that adults did when you were young. Understand the problem, break the cycle, and please, accept the apologizes that have been made so healing can begin for you.
@@Necatuss agreed! there was no way to enter
@@joli7948 Saw your post and had to re-watch the video find where I missed the " joke ". Only reading another post that replied to you stating the " joke " was some time ago. Do you make an effort to reply to every video with this question? How long ago was this " joke" made? Do you require explanation from all persons who make ill spoken jokes? I do not know your past or your motives, but if @andrewadams7607 is in anyway accurate, might it be more productive for you to gain a third parties perspective to both understand your view point and the direction of the " joke".
To Michael Burns and the Wisecrack team: THANK YOU for this video. I am a Professor of Video Game Theory at a community college in Upstate New York and a long time fan of your channel. This is exactly the kind of material I am trying to teach my class about right now, and you encapsulated the essence of what my class is trying to teach so well. This video reminds me why more universities should be looking to gaming and esports as a legitimate field of study. Great job!
It just feels to that if anyone says that video games cannot express emotional complexity has not being playing video games, or at least not the right ones.
Or they haven't played a video game since 'Pong'
Yeah this is what it really comes down to. If you see video games as just a little beep boop man trying to get a high score, then of course you won't think it qualifies as art. But I would like to see someone really try to defend that position after playing something like Chrono Trigger, Mother 3, Metal Gear Solid, Metroid Prime (I could go on but my point is made)
Well, most mobile games don't help in that regards sooo...
To the average person video game means call of duty, trolling, and bratty kids. Somehow the same realism that invokes disgust doesn't count as art even though some define art as the elicitation of emotions through medium.
Ah yes treating your ideological opponents of being idiots truly the most ground breaking argument of our day. What about games that don't have a story are they lesser art ? Are they lesser games ? I don't think Doom made me feel any emotion other than excitment like what I would get out of doing a sport does that mean sport is art or chess ?
Interactive art is an expansion of art. Instead of responding to art, we can be be part of it. That's a significant change compare to previous art forms.
Indeed the book where you are the hero is truly the next form of art.
"Just as novels let us experience lives we have not lived, games let us experience forms of agency we might not have discovered on our own" This is profound
To put it more bluntly: Video games give us the ability to do all the cool shit we can't do in real life.
"I just wanna fly."
-S. Ray
Yes they are. They've been art. They didn't need to go the cinematic route (like God of War/The Last of Us) in order to be art. Just look at any high level Devil May Cry gameplay. That's art any day of the week..
If anything, I'd say that "cinematic" games like those you mentioned are less successful form of games as art, because they diminish the unique way games can engage the audience with storytelling and sense of agency.
Movies are not books, and videogames shouldn't be movies.
Some can attempt to be, just for design or experimentation, sure, but the route "modern" gaming is taking with those cinematic games is risible imo.
I dont really agree because even movies now aren't a purely visual mediums, so games dont deminish by not being purely gameplay, the combination of many mediums that is what makes games great@@thisisfyne
@@thisisfyneFair point
Video games as art is big it includes:
*Reading like a Book*
*Cinematics like a movie*
*Music like an set list*
*Gameplay mechanics*
And cross platforming is basically *Hacker Magic*
I once had a philosophy of art class in college. The main concept the class focused "significant form" or something (i barely remember)
In the final essay i argued that because games make you part of the art and therefore can make the viewer have those "aesthetic feeling"(or whatever it was called) deeper than other mediums.
I think the professor liked it cause i got an A in that class.
Literature is much deeper. Stories in books can beat all the other mediums in story telling/fiction. It's much more philosophical if we'll talk about classics and modern classics. It doesnt lack substance. Imagination, comprehension and empathy are applied on a much higher degree among other benefits in books. Books are also much cheaper and accessible. Doesn't need much accessories and electricity if its a physical book.
@@lostwanderingprince I believe that all mediums can equally be deep. It just depends on what the artist/s decides how to apply their ideas to the medium.
It's amazing that so many artists are employed to make something that might not be art...
Nice
Some games are art, and some are just products.
The former comes from an artistic intention, a desire to put part of yourself into the world. The latter is designed for mass appeal, thus profits.
Same with movies and music.
You are not making art, but a product. I am one of those "artists" you are describing and it's a very different thing working under 5-20 people up the chain who are all trying to make this product make money - and will sell their only grandma so it can be successful. Art has other goals.
@@deftones1144 how is that any different from film?
@@deftones1144 you and me both, brother
I'm really hoping I can join a less profit-driven studio in the near future... I used to be in a cool ass studio but the greed has become waaayyy too real and the work / mindset has been badly affected
Critics: video games can never have emotional complexity
Outer Wilds: Hold my marshmallows
My first thought reading that quote
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Roger Ebert never played the Stanley parable
I'm surprised GTA wasn't mentioned at all in this video because not only does player agency in video games give us the autonomy to "be the change that we wish to see in the world", it also affords us the opportunity to act out various unsavory fantasies that would likely discredit us were we to attempt them in real life.
He does point out that video games give the player agency to do terrible things as well as good.
That's all part of the appeal.
Oh yea you’re right. My bad.
Final Fantasy XIV's main story has saved my life more than once. That may sound absurd to some, but many games-not just RPGs-have deep philosophical, moral, and social lessons that allow you to learn about yourself and the world around you. And the addition of things like internet forums and Discord servers has made the experience even more expansive and exciting.
Video games are the ultimate form of art that combines multitudes of arts. Deep narrative and personal storytelling, fantastic musics scores, voice and body acting, multiple artistic graphical styles. There are so many examples for these are that makes this whole issue a moot argument.
So this means my warhammer game with my friend is art ! it as music, a story, sculpted soldiers that are also painted, architecture and even roleplay so it's also theater. You just need combine art to make a new art that's how it works !
@@archeogeek315 This isn't the gotcha you think it is, you act as if we aren't below a video which already elaborates it's own theme
@@katzea.a7880 Yes and I criticise the video in the comment I made under the video and in the many comments I left responding to other people. In this response I attack the arguments of the comments I'm responding to.
@@archeogeek315 mf you sound like a bot, such a robotic sentence structure, jesus
Yes.
gaming is a very young medium, and I think we've only scratched the surface of what it can accomplish artistically. Most narrative games are content to just tell its story through cutscenes, without really considering how the gameplay can enhance their narrative.
A lot of games would argue otherwise. But I understand you meant the majority of triple A games by this.
There was an extra credits video from years back exploring the concept of interactive narrative in dark souls that really got me thinking about the potential of it as a unique medium. Do, don't show.
You could look at games like Nier Automata as examples of narratives that could only be experienced through its own medium
Shadow of the colossus …. Enough said
I’ve never played this one. Is it worth playing all these years later?
@@michaelgj23It remains one of my favourites. It's a slow game, and the controls are going to feel a little odd compared to modern AAA gaming, but it's a beautiful, melancholy, and sometimes really exciting game.
@@michaelgj23 yeah it’s amazing. They made a remaster of it a few years ago. I’d say check that one out instead of the original ps2 version. It fixed a lot of issues. It’s worth it.
I say 3 billion people are simultaneously asleep at any given mo. What did you think I would say, daddy Michael?
gooning
Journey by Santa Monica studios is a sublime example of artistry in video games
Journey was developed by Thatgamecompany.
I feel for Michael having to do that ad read decked out in corporate merch. Stay strong Mikey boy
Was a tough day.
Hey. If The Simpsons did it, maybe it's cool.@@WisecrackEDU
Movies (pretty much) one ending (exceptions exist like "Clue" etc) books (pretty much) one ending (exceptions exist like OG choose your own adventure)
Video Games frequently have MANY MANY DIFFERENT potential endings, sometimes meaningful, sometimes not, but YOU did it.
I think that gives it some kind of advantage
But its not art if you choose an ending. Than its your creation. Art is experiencing someone elses creation.
@@ps2progamer814 all of the potential endings need to be thought by one
Yes. Yes they are! God of war is a masterpiece of tragedy, horror and redemption ! Loving the live stream too!
You mean the game that's almost an interactive movie? Not a particularly good case for games as art.
@@miguelbranquinho7235 💯 I don't understand why people think a video game that's barely a video game is a masterpiece or a form of art. If we're to make a case for video games being art, shouldn't we be looking at games that are actually more "video game" and less interactive movie?..
@@justlloyd7881 From my perspective, saying it doesn't count is swinging from "Video games aren't art" to "Only some things are allowed to be video games"
@@justlloyd7881thats like saying: a movie is just a book with visuals so its bad
People that claim Video Games aren't art probably aren't gamers and have rarely played games, or not any that truly provide shining examples of everything that makes other forms of art, art.
Ah yes ! treating your ideological opponents of being idiots truly the most ground breaking argument of our day. What about games that don't have a story are they lesser art ? Are they lesser games ? I don't think Doom made me feel any emotion other than excitment like what I would get out of doing a sport does that mean sport is art or chess ?
laughing so hard at the fact that when Burns says "you wanna play a lil zip zap zop," the video linked in the corner is "the genius of cults" lol
Games are art! Just like that Butterfinger bucket hat Michael was rocking
Games are not only art, they are the convergence of many arts. And they are so full of ideology... And zombies; way so many games suddenly just go and throw zombies at you. I mean, Mass Effect, which is a sci-fi game, a space opera if you will, in less than 20 minutes into the first mission, BAM! Zombies! And there are so many games that do similar stuff, just like out of nowhere, zombies come at you in one way or another. It's so weird.
I love this!! You guys should just explore the themes of each Final Fantasy game.
Yes, they are. American McGee's Alice: Madness Returns, Professor Layton, Alan Wake 2, Bioshock, Okami HD, The Wolf Among Us, Yakuza 0/Kiwami/Like A Dragon, Persona 5, I Have No Mouth But Must Scream, Undertale, Elden Ring, Cuphead + DLC, Catherine Full Body, Silent Hill & PT etc. and that's not even getting into Indie games.
Sekiro, resident evil 4, MGS 3
FFXIV has a scene of people, who log into an online roleplaying game so that through their avatars they may roleplay as playing a tabletop roleplaying game. They then proceed to play said tabletop roleplaying game.
That's almost upsettingly meta.
I played Sims 2 for two weeks on my PC before I realized I was playing the Sims watching my Sim play the Sims on his computer.
I haven’t played it since and I’m pretty sure that was more than 20 years ago.
"Would you kindly..."
If you recognize that, you know that video games have value as art. No other medium could have made *that scene* as powerful as it was. I still get chills from the phrase.
Shout out to Spec Ops: The Line
@@CasualFox12495pretty sure it's a BioShock reference.
It is a BioShock reference, but I'll be damned if Spec Ops isn't another great example.
'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' means literally anything can be viewed as art.
I just finished a month-long obsession with a game called Void Stranger. Definitely art.
The end of final fantasy X literally made me cry. If someone says this medium is not capable of communicating emotional depth and serious thought, they’re probably not giving it serious thought.
Of fucking course they are! Especially the older games with their amazing stories and art
Roger Ebert been real quiet since this dropped
my god.
get that money. thanks papa @butterfinger.
I might had 7 to 9 years old when I first actually could play Star Fox 64. My eyes became wet when James McCloud, the father of our main character that died in the story, guide us from the villain's labyrinth in the end of the game. It was an otherwordly experience for me, and even for a kid that didn't even fully speak english (I didn't speak anything, really)! Only the experience of getting out of that place after spending more than 1 hour of getting there with our "deceased" father was simply... amazing.
When we get out of the exploding place and I saw the main character looking endlessly around after our father vanished, and our friends asking how we were, and he simply said "Nothing, nothing's wrong...". Without understanding a single word I understood immediately that they would never belive in us nor see James McCloud for themselves. It was useless trying to say something. Doesn't matter if it was him or not.
Before that, one of these friends try to prove himself by being reckless and attacking a boss by himself, get hit bad and crash into a desert planet. We go astray from our route, getting over our boss, just to save him. It is beautiful. I'll never forget when we got closer to the end of Titania seeing this friend appear screaming after the whole level everyone saying how they miss him... I didn't cry, but I got close to it. But I needed to keep playing; I couldn't do that if I cried.
I may be a very emotional person or sick one to see these events like that, but for me of course video games are art. Not every single one, as not every single canvas isn't art. Not every Madden from N64 is a masterpiece. But I think I can say for sure that video games are a medium in which art can appear, just like cinema, books, music, theatre, poetry, photography and so on.
"Never give up, trust your instincts."
Not only do video games combine most if not all of the considered “true” art forms, there is some degree of interactivity to every single game, making it, in my opinion, the ultimate form of art.
So this means my warhammer game with my friend is art ! it as music, a story, sculpted soldiers that are also painted, architecture and even roleplay so it's also theater. You just need combine art to make a new art that's how it works !
Games are the art of the 21st century as Films were the art of the 20th century
Well said
My two favorite topics, final fantasy and philosophy. Thanks for the video
"Video Games can't really express emotional complexity." Yet I cried several times during Cyberpunk 2077, and a few times, it left me awake at night thinking about things and the choices I made.
Before even watching the video, in short, yes video games have the capacity to b profound artistic expression. Ironically I would even argue they're the ultimate form of art, made up of the combinations of the popular art forms. Music, psychology, story telling, acting, cinematic performance, visual arts, provoking thought with philosophy via tapping into our emotions. It's really not up for debate.
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I really was not ready for the detective cap
And just like art... They went down the dumpster the moment someone realized they meant loads of money.
Video games are starting to get the respect they deserve in academia at least.
I’m set to defend my dissertation in critical game design next month.
*throws the power up of your choice from whatever video game you want in assist*
congrats!!
@@ballman2010 thx! But don’t congratulate me til after I defend lol
I’m not even sure if my sanity will last that long
@justinbuergi9867 You've got this. Finishing grad school is a SLOG though
No joke, I literally had just clicked on the video and that freaking Butterfinger/FFVII ad popped up. Seriously WTF 😂
I scrolled for a bit, and I didn't see a few games listed that I sincerely view as artistic expressions that can only happen in an interactive medium. I could easily think of more, but these are the ones I have used before to explain the artistic potential of gaming.
Undertale: Its true meaning is only apparent in the context of the genre conventions that it subverts. It asks you to consider the long-term consequences of your actions.
Nier:Automata: The standard beauty of visual storytelling applies, but with the added dimension that repeated playthroughs add significantly to the experience and ultimately ask you to as a gamer to consider the meaning of your life with respect to those you care about in a way that only a game could accomplish.
The Last Guardian: I want to include all three Fumito Ueda games, but by the stricter criteria I'm using, I have to choose the third game because of the way it forces you to cooperate with and care for your digital companion Trico as a living unpredictable creature and not just a furry vehicle. The game is divisive, but I dont think that experience could be had in any other medium.
The Outer Wilds: I just completed this game recently, and it might be the most profound gaming experience I've had. I recommend going in blind, but I will say that it is definitely a slower-paced game with little action, and the graphics are not cutting edge, although I think it's a beautiful game. It's more like a puzzle box that you slowly unravel, and I don't think I've ever been so satisifed upon completing a game.
Also, if you are interested in mental health, try out Celeste. Few games have such a tight synergy between mechanics and theme.
Don't forget Super Mario Bros and Fallout 2.
Some of the most profound experiences I've had are lo fi games putting me in different experiences I could never have in real life but do exist for other people. Whether it's a disability, the otherness of dysphoria, experiencing racism in a different way, or living through war and deprivation. These are vital to transcend our limited experiences as individuals and achieve a more cohesive, peaceful society.
A friend of mine was recently talking about why video games should be taught in schools, and how important it is for kids / students / people to be able to think and talk critically about them. I sent them a link to this video. Thank you, as your timing is impeccable.
Do you think they'll re-open the contest? We had no way to enter as it was closed before the video dropped
Pong is art.
It's simplicity in design gives anyone the ability to wield it, and the emotional rush of head-to-head competition can be felt by anyone.
1:52 Holy shit... I busted out laughing. Well done, well done. 😂
Play JOURNEY
and it's ART SSSSS
many arts combined in 1
What upsets me are gamers that say that Video Games are art, but then get upset when said games are critisized for their artistic rendition
You cannot call something art, while also not allowing critisism
Criticisms are welcome, in my opinion, of anything, but if they are nonsense or based on misinterpretation, then I'll definitely push back on it.
@@saltiestsiren Such as? What are examples of an artistic criticism of games that are based on nonsense and/or misinterpretation?
sure, there are some who respond like that, there's always the vocal minority
@@IgorNV The whole "Pronoun" snowflake conservatives argument to "criticize" Starfield, which has many flaws but recognizing that LGBTQ+ ppl exist isnt one of them.
Who said we can't criticize games lmao
I'm so appreciative of Michael and crew for resisting the urge to praise Yedoye Travis in this episode. That is, of course, because it gives me the opportunity to say that Yedoye is an insightful and handsome person. We wish him well pursuing a comedy special, and all else may lay ahead.
Nobody better lay a finger on my Butterfinger.
Man. When you brought up the Marketplace...I had a full "please return tray tables to their upright positions" moment.
Here I am waiting for Wisecrack to do a deep dive of Disco Elysium.
we definetely need more people talking about how video games can be art.
Obviously 3 billion people around the world are devouring a delicious butterfinger at any given time
"Poets are the hierophants of an unapprehended inspiration; the mirrors of the gigantic shadows which futurity casts upon the present; the words which express what they understand not; the trumpets which sing to battle, and feel not what they inspire; the influence which is moved not, but moves.
Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world."
~ Percy Bysshe Shelley
A Defense of Poetry 1891
*** Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world. ***
This but updated to include game designers to be among the poets as are directors, actors, choreographers, musicians, and such. And by "world" one means reality.
All new art forms have been deemed not art to "low" art. Even prose was bashed as we shifted to it from epic poetry.
Great medium of art. Suprised you left out some of the greatest examples of high art in gaming: Undertale, Bioshock, and Dark Souls for example.
There us a VR "game" called Vermillion, that is an oil painting simulator. You mix oil paints, either on the palette or on the canvas. Different brushes and tools. You can "feel" contact with the canvas with haptic vibration. You can practice expensive oil painting and export your work in 4K or 8K and you own the rights to it and can make prints, etc.
Is that art?
If my kid's fingerpainting is art, if a photo is art, if movies are art, then yes, video games are art. They can even be considered the best kind of art- art that you can control and essentially become a part of.
After taking shrooms and walking through Hoth on battlefront 2 ....THEY ARE ART
6:25 this is the Legend of Zelda on the N64
Video games can be the greatest form of expression done by a collective of people. There is typically only one painter, or one photographer or writer. But all of these people combined can make an expressive piece of art far above what they may otherwise be able to achieve on their own. If Video games are not art then neither is movies, music, photography or writing.
Imagine having agency in "Starry Night"
people seem to think that calling something "art" elevates it or something. it doesn't. it's just a descriptive word for a particular type of creative work. video games easily fit the vast majority of definitions of the word. it takes creativity, skill, and imagination to create a game. they can have all of the exact same qualities that make movies art, but with more layers due to the interactive nature of gaming.
WANKING, MICHAEL, WANKING.
Not only are video games art, but the creative process of playing a video game is art. Making art in real life is likewise play
I have over a thousand hours in Breath of the Wild. A good chunk of that time has been spent riding a horse all over the world and taking in the gorgeous scenery. That game is Art with a capital A
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Pretty simple: Art is created to evoke some response in the target audience from the experience. The more consistently it does that for the intended audience the better the art. The more complex the response that is meant to be evoked the more impressive the art. So here's a more interesting question: Is p-rn art? By my definition the answer is obviously yes. There's good and bad of course, but is the evoked response too pedestrian to be impressive? Society seems to think so. But the question "Are video games art?" ...is pretty stupid. It's like asking, "Is politics wheeling and dealing?" Yes if it's done right....but what tf are you really asking?
This reminds me of the whole can a motorcycle/car/etc be Art. Of course a mass produced item seems unworthy, but many copies and reprints are made of classics. Warhol's screen prints were "mass produced" by the artist himself and the production was a part of the Art itself.
I think that Art comes from the choices made by the artist. Which notes, what colors, what shapes, materials and so on. To me Art is something made to be experienced, something to evoke a response... and whether you hang it on a wall and look at it, or put it on the screen and play it, or sit on it and immerse yourself in the sounds and feelings it produces or just sit with eyes closed and listen... art is the communication of provocation.
I mean, if the point of art is to make you feel a certain way emotionally and leave a lasting impression on you years later too, then video games are already there.
I feel its both. Some are just escapist entertainment with the depth of a kiddy pool and others are artistic masterpieces with many things to say on modern society and humanity.
0:26 remember this is the same person that barred Jim Carrey once
Imagine Earth being a living thing. What a foreign concept. Mind = blown
So you guys made a video about video games one of my favorite things in the world and made a point about using photography, which is another one of my favorite things in the world. Take your like good sir.
Huge fan of the video game content 🙌
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Serious answer: sleeping
The mountains are high and the emperor is far away.
I don't think I have ever seen or eaten a Butterfinger bar in my entire life. I don't think they have them where I'm at.
Gods, I love Final Fantasy VII and its remake
A good shorthanded definition. Art serves no purpose except unto itself
“I was just wave dashing what’s going on?”
West Indies cricket reference!!
Congratulation on your π million subscribers!!!!
If Wisecrack ever wants to revisit this idea, I’d love to hear y’all dive into some more indie titles: Journey, What Remains of Edith Finch, That Dragon Cancer, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, Turnip Boy Commits Tax Evasion, Unpacking, and Gris to name a few.
At MAGfest this past week, there were dozens of games that toe the line between “game” and art installation. Haber Dasher is a game played with a massive and unwieldy hat that has to be worn by two people, forcing people to collaborate for an end goal. The Book Ritual used a paper shredder as a controller, and guided you through a session of writing/drawing out things that weighed you down, forcing you to shred those things for it to progress. By the end, your book was noticeably lighter just as you had been encouraged to let go of those emotional weights, and you see your worries have joined those of dozens of other people, showing that everyone is carrying around worries and anxiety. One creator there told me about One Night Only, which WAS a game played with a modified guitar, but to end the game, you have to smash it and the guitar at the end of the session. So, if you want to play it…too bad.
Oooh magfest was fun. Every time I walked past that book game, someone was really into it and I never quite understood what it was about. I LOVE the indie arcade, so many cool experimental experiences
Video games have been telling emotionally investing stories since square enix rpgs on the super nintendo
EARLY video?! Yes! You guys are the Best 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Old timey gamer: its nice to see folks catching up on this point.
Couple things:
Tabletop rpgs are also an interesting dynamic artwork, perhaps more overlooked than video games, and imho far more interesting and relevant.
Also, I recall many years ago now watching the little ones play mine craft and making all the digital masterpieces and thinking wow, what a wonderful medium for art, especially for kids. How sad most folks indeed most parents don't even see it...
Every single part of a game is art they are built on music, sound effect, painting, sculpting, writing, cinema, animation, special effects. All of them recognized artforms, deeming game not art is just being obtuse. (Ommited programming to make a point but it is also art)
I LOVE THE BUTTERFCKER AD!!!!
I like that the thumbnail was a still from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, a movie... 😝
Without watching this yet, are Video Games art? Yes. Have you played Spyro 2 Remake’s Gulp fight without taking a hit? I just did. Absolutely fantastic.
It made me feel absolutely invincible while playing as a purple lizard, who is generously no more than 26 inches tall. Facing off one that is like the size of my apartment.
They can be feats of micro-storytelling that allow for not only the characters to have a story to tell, but for you, the player to tell.
Are they treated as such? No. Absolutely not. The company who made the Spyro 2 Remake just laid off 40% of its staff.
You said Zip Zap Zop and my heart dropped to the top of my colon; i work at a Haunt and we do it for acting training..... 200 ppl. zipping and zapping and zopping and sobbing.....
I recently watched "G.I. Joe" and I can't imagine how movies can ever be art.
I recently heard the Coca-Cola jingle and I can't imagine how music can ever be art.
I recently saw a white wall and I can't imagine how paintings can ever be art.
I recently saw a Ronald McDonald and I can't imagine how statues can ever be art.
Papers Please, Outer Wilds, Unavowed, Disco Elysium, Dwarf Fortress, Grim Fandango, Baba Is You, Planescape: Torment, Edith Finch, I could go on. Fucking Philistines.