With the second story, I'm wondering if they ever looked into that senior scout. How long did it take him to catch up with the rest of the group? I'm thinking he could have tried to do something to the boy, was met with resistance, and killed him somehow. It would explain the whole thing being staged so meticulously, perhaps so that people would think he died of hyperthermia. Or, he DID do something to him, and left him completely shocked and out of it, as to where he wandered off on his own in a trance. If the senior scout was wearing gloves/mittens, it would also explain the lack of fingerprints. Otherwise, if no foul play occurred, I could only think of either an undiagnosed mental disorder that caused some type of mental break, or a hypothermia induced death. If it was the latter, that still wouldn't really explained why he split from the group, though, since he would have had to already be in a pretty bad state of hypothermia when the Scout Leader left him (and how would he fail to notice this?), to have already felt disoriented.
It took the last scout about 30 minutes to catch up to the rest of the troop: Geoff’s body was found about 2 miles from where he was last seen… search & rescue found the path he trekked; solitary footprints that continued for 4 miles before backtracking towards the area of the stream where he left his bag, & ended at the base of the cliff where Geoff’s body was found. Coroner said that Geoff had injuries to his hands & leg consistent with climbing & believed Geoff had tried to climb a cliff back up the gorge before falling 20ft down, injuring his leg where it landed on a small stump on or near the tree his body was found by. That last scout would have had to have taken a minimum of 6 hours to catch up with the rest of the troop to convincingly hide several miles of his tracks from a couple Army Rangers or his scent from their dogs.
for the 1st theory you said what if it was a group thing like what if the senior scout tried to do something way before and maybe the boy wasn't disoriented or tired at all and that was a story they made up together (the two scouts ) and then did all the stuff to his body after but also if his pants were like that wouldn't that indicate that they actually did something to him and wouldn't you be able to find something like that on his body or bruises for resisting or maybe the 1st scout wasn't in on it at all and the boy actually was disoriented and maybe the senior scout dosed him with something earlier which would explain why there is no resisting bruises he was to disoriented to realize what was happening but also did they examine his body for fluids would love to talk to you more about this theory
Watching Mr.Ballen videos, I've noticed that most stories happen in the woods. Things happen to people when they're either camping or hiking. Fun relaxing activities.. but at the same time risky to be out in nature for a certain period of time.
Copeland: The boy was found by an oil worker next to an oil pump house. This oil worker said that Jackie was peering at him from behind a tree, and called him, the oil worker, a 'creature'. I don't see the mystery. A boy got lost, for less than a day, and was found on dry land that was very accessible.If anything, the boy was probably following an employee of the oil company at one point and got disoriented. If you look at any case labelled as '411' by Paulides, it's best that a person does their own research. Don't take Paulides for his word. MrBallen dropped all new '411' content like a bad habit. He knew Paulides was a BSer, as well as most of the versions of the missing person cases Paulides covered.
For story 1: We can pretend this kid was coaxed into the woods and pranced with fairies and mythical beings, or.. Herbert the Pervert showed up and showed out😮😅 Story 2: I have no idea why he left the trail, but it looks like he died of severe hypothermia. People who suffer hypothermia are often found naked, or without certain items of clothing to leave because the hypothermia makes it feel like their skin is burning.. of course, that is the mind playing tricks on the person
The third story makes me wonder if he was on a bad trip. Maybe while the other guy went to get gas he took something, decided to go for a stroll with the dog and it hit. That could also explain the adrenaline and running through the woods like that.
The first story sounds like Bigfoot. A few of his stories have similar details after watching Hiding behind trees, interaction with kids in the forest, being a giant, and other animals being afraid of them.
with the second story i think it was a case of the kid getting too curious. i think he saw an opportunity to go explore off trail now that he was by himself and got lost. then he died of hypothermia, which he showed all signs of i.e removing clothes. The other scout leader probably took his time coming down the trail because, why not? he didnt need to watch any kids, he knows the trail, and it wasnt relayed to him that there was a kid that needed to be brought back. i dont think hed have enough time to do anything to the kid, hide him, and come back.
Missing 411 really is bizarre because we never really know what happens to these people or why it happened. I can't figure out what I think actually happened. I do wonder who or what took the child, who and what brought the scout to where he was, if it is cold why take your clothes off or taking stuff out his backpack. He could have had a illness he knew nothing about Maybe his body went into shock from hypothermia, i just can think of a reason to leave his waiting spot. Theory story 1: The baby was lured away via food, candy etc... they freaked out from the sounds of people calling out and decided to make a run. Maybe it was a predator, person who always wanted kids but can't have any or maybe it was a supernatural creature that hid in the woods . Theory Story 2: Someone did something to the scout and tried to make it look like he died of hypothermia, i'm not sure but he did half his clothes off and people who catch pneumonia and hypothermia tend to try and remove clothes. Story 3 Theory: He was being watched/ followed and ran for his life, he ran onn adrenaline and hid in the water from the gun he might have dropped
When you really start to listen to Bigfoot stories without immediately judging or accusing the tellers of being crazy, (sure some are crazy, but the vast majority are completely normal sound of mind people) you will find that all 3 of these stories have aspects of supposed Bigfoot behavior.
This is about the 2nd story. It's not a complete theory since it's just about part of it, not the whole story. What if Jeff(He was a kid, right?) saw something or someone in the woods like the first boy and he got curious but he knew the scout leader wouldn't let him go so he came up with an excuse and decided to follow it after? or maybe he got frightened by something while sitting there? I also think that some of the other theories about the senior scout are definitely possibilities... I personally think he could've done something. Also he could've gotten tired and decided to take a break at the tree. I agree with others saying that it was severe hypothermia though... Also, if they're scouts then wouldn't they have learned to leave some sort of trail? Like out of string or anything you have on you? I'm not a scout and I never was so I'm not sure...
The Kory Kelly story isn't actually that mysterious as on the day he vanished he had already gotten lost in the area earlier but luckily Jim found him and Jim would say that Kory wasn't a skilled hunter and didn't have the best sense of direction and the real reason Kory went into the woods when Jim left to get fuel was because Kory had spotted a grouse and chased after it likely causing him to become lost so yeah Kory Kelly's case really has no right being classified as a Missing 411 case plus the spent shotgun shell doesn't necessarily mean he was trying to shoot at someone or something he could have fired a shot in the air to try and get someones attention I'd recommend watching The Missing Enigma's video that covers the Kory Kelly case because it really isn't that strange
3rd story definitely isnt someone, it's a something, an I think that something is bigfoot, as a country boy that grew up in the woods hunting an fishin with a man with that guys experience in the woods an with him having a gun, an a dog I hardly doubt a someone wouldve scared him that why i think its bigfoot only bigfoot or something that your mind cant process would scare you so bad that it would make you run 14 miles through a swamp an urs just impossible for me to believe a person scared a grown man with a gun an scared the dog that much, an remember the fog wouldnt even search for him an ain't nobody gonna scare a hunting dog that bad to not wanna go find his friend or owner just my opinion tho
I'm going to tell you right now, something was after him. He's a man with a gun he's not running from another human, I'm pretty sure all don't hunt so with that being said there are things in the woods. You have to break it down so it wasn't a man
Story 1: either he saw something and over time the story just got more outlandish, or it was an attempted kidnapping that ended happily. Story 2: either the Scout master or someone did something to him, and placed his object in the water to wash away the scent and any other biomarkers and make it look like a suicide or freak accident😢. Foul play was there I don’t care how did he end up undressed and if he was in the water how did he end up next to a tree?
Missing 411 stories are crazy and Mr. Ballen tells them quite well.
Mr. Ballen tells every story quite well
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2nd story is called paradoxical undressing, in low temperatures, your body gets tricked to think the body temp is warm
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With the second story, I'm wondering if they ever looked into that senior scout. How long did it take him to catch up with the rest of the group? I'm thinking he could have tried to do something to the boy, was met with resistance, and killed him somehow. It would explain the whole thing being staged so meticulously, perhaps so that people would think he died of hyperthermia.
Or, he DID do something to him, and left him completely shocked and out of it, as to where he wandered off on his own in a trance. If the senior scout was wearing gloves/mittens, it would also explain the lack of fingerprints.
Otherwise, if no foul play occurred, I could only think of either an undiagnosed mental disorder that caused some type of mental break, or a hypothermia induced death. If it was the latter, that still wouldn't really explained why he split from the group, though, since he would have had to already be in a pretty bad state of hypothermia when the Scout Leader left him (and how would he fail to notice this?), to have already felt disoriented.
It took the last scout about 30 minutes to catch up to the rest of the troop: Geoff’s body was found about 2 miles from where he was last seen… search & rescue found the path he trekked; solitary footprints that continued for 4 miles before backtracking towards the area of the stream where he left his bag, & ended at the base of the cliff where Geoff’s body was found. Coroner said that Geoff had injuries to his hands & leg consistent with climbing & believed Geoff had tried to climb a cliff back up the gorge before falling 20ft down, injuring his leg where it landed on a small stump on or near the tree his body was found by.
That last scout would have had to have taken a minimum of 6 hours to catch up with the rest of the troop to convincingly hide several miles of his tracks from a couple Army Rangers or his scent from their dogs.
for the 1st theory you said what if it was a group thing like what if the senior scout tried to do something way before and maybe the boy wasn't disoriented or tired at all and that was a story they made up together (the two scouts ) and then did all the stuff to his body after but also if his pants were like that wouldn't that indicate that they actually did something to him and wouldn't you be able to find something like that on his body or bruises for resisting or maybe the 1st scout wasn't in on it at all and the boy actually was disoriented and maybe the senior scout dosed him with something earlier which would explain why there is no resisting bruises he was to disoriented to realize what was happening but also did they examine his body for fluids
would love to talk to you more about this theory
Watching Mr.Ballen videos, I've noticed that most stories happen in the woods. Things happen to people when they're either camping or hiking. Fun relaxing activities.. but at the same time risky to be out in nature for a certain period of time.
Love your channel. Thanks for the videos!
Copeland: The boy was found by an oil worker next to an oil pump house. This oil worker said that Jackie was peering at him from behind a tree, and called him, the oil worker, a 'creature'. I don't see the mystery. A boy got lost, for less than a day, and was found on dry land that was very accessible.If anything, the boy was probably following an employee of the oil company at one point and got disoriented.
If you look at any case labelled as '411' by Paulides, it's best that a person does their own research. Don't take Paulides for his word.
MrBallen dropped all new '411' content like a bad habit. He knew Paulides was a BSer, as well as most of the versions of the missing person cases Paulides covered.
For story 1:
We can pretend this kid was coaxed into the woods and pranced with fairies and mythical beings, or.. Herbert the Pervert showed up and showed out😮😅
Story 2: I have no idea why he left the trail, but it looks like he died of severe hypothermia. People who suffer hypothermia are often found naked, or without certain items of clothing to leave because the hypothermia makes it feel like their skin is burning.. of course, that is the mind playing tricks on the person
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The third story makes me wonder if he was on a bad trip. Maybe while the other guy went to get gas he took something, decided to go for a stroll with the dog and it hit. That could also explain the adrenaline and running through the woods like that.
You can determine the exact death day years from what I learned, that story is crazy I have no solution
The first story sounds like Bigfoot. A few of his stories have similar details after watching Hiding behind trees, interaction with kids in the forest, being a giant, and other animals being afraid of them.
he's really big, if I recall so it really could be an explanation for how he got across
with the second story i think it was a case of the kid getting too curious. i think he saw an opportunity to go explore off trail now that he was by himself and got lost. then he died of hypothermia, which he showed all signs of i.e removing clothes.
The other scout leader probably took his time coming down the trail because, why not? he didnt need to watch any kids, he knows the trail, and it wasnt relayed to him that there was a kid that needed to be brought back. i dont think hed have enough time to do anything to the kid, hide him, and come back.
Missing 411 really is bizarre because we never really know what happens to these people or why it happened. I can't figure out what I think actually happened. I do wonder who or what took the child, who and what brought the scout to where he was, if it is cold why take your clothes off or taking stuff out his backpack.
He could have had a illness he knew nothing about
Maybe his body went into shock from hypothermia, i just can think of a reason to leave his waiting spot.
Theory story 1: The baby was lured away via food, candy etc... they freaked out from the sounds of people calling out and decided to make a run. Maybe it was a predator, person who always wanted kids but can't have any or maybe it was a supernatural creature that hid in the woods .
Theory Story 2:
Someone did something to the scout and tried to make it look like he died of hypothermia, i'm not sure but he did half his clothes off and people who catch pneumonia and hypothermia tend to try and remove clothes.
Story 3 Theory:
He was being watched/ followed and ran for his life, he ran onn adrenaline and hid in the water from the gun he might have dropped
When you really start to listen to Bigfoot stories without immediately judging or accusing the tellers of being crazy, (sure some are crazy, but the vast majority are completely normal sound of mind people) you will find that all 3 of these stories have aspects of supposed Bigfoot behavior.
This is about the 2nd story.
It's not a complete theory since it's just about part of it, not the whole story.
What if Jeff(He was a kid, right?) saw something or someone in the woods like the first boy and he got curious but he knew the scout leader wouldn't let him go so he came up with an excuse and decided to follow it after? or maybe he got frightened by something while sitting there?
I also think that some of the other theories about the senior scout are definitely possibilities... I personally think he could've done something.
Also he could've gotten tired and decided to take a break at the tree. I agree with others saying that it was severe hypothermia though...
Also, if they're scouts then wouldn't they have learned to leave some sort of trail? Like out of string or anything you have on you? I'm not a scout and I never was so I'm not sure...
The Kory Kelly story isn't actually that mysterious as on the day he vanished he had already gotten lost in the area earlier but luckily Jim found him and Jim would say that Kory wasn't a skilled hunter and didn't have the best sense of direction and the real reason Kory went into the woods when Jim left to get fuel was because Kory had spotted a grouse and chased after it likely causing him to become lost so yeah Kory Kelly's case really has no right being classified as a Missing 411 case plus the spent shotgun shell doesn't necessarily mean he was trying to shoot at someone or something he could have fired a shot in the air to try and get someones attention I'd recommend watching The Missing Enigma's video that covers the Kory Kelly case because it really isn't that strange
mrballen video recommendation:
"An intruder came into her bedroom... | The "bad man" of Slanesville"
I have heard that extreme hypothermia can cause you to feel hot and you'll want to take off clothes
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jim was the one hunting him
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3rd story definitely isnt someone, it's a something, an I think that something is bigfoot, as a country boy that grew up in the woods hunting an fishin with a man with that guys experience in the woods an with him having a gun, an a dog I hardly doubt a someone wouldve scared him that why i think its bigfoot only bigfoot or something that your mind cant process would scare you so bad that it would make you run 14 miles through a swamp an urs just impossible for me to believe a person scared a grown man with a gun an scared the dog that much, an remember the fog wouldnt even search for him an ain't nobody gonna scare a hunting dog that bad to not wanna go find his friend or owner just my opinion tho
2 years old are still spiritually sensitive, so I think Jacky probably saw demons and the giant next to him was probably an Angel that protected him.
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I'm going to tell you right now, something was after him. He's a man with a gun he's not running from another human, I'm pretty sure all don't hunt so with that being said there are things in the woods. You have to break it down so it wasn't a man
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Story 1: either he saw something and over time the story just got more outlandish, or it was an attempted kidnapping that ended happily.
Story 2: either the Scout master or someone did something to him, and placed his object in the water to wash away the scent and any other biomarkers and make it look like a suicide or freak accident😢. Foul play was there I don’t care how did he end up undressed and if he was in the water how did he end up next to a tree?