I have seen a lot of criticism of Cid in the OG. I think his development was great even if he was abusive to his partner. He reflects on it and is remorseful for it. I don’t get why new media is so scared of tackling these very real problems in society and show that your actions have consequences and that they are wrong. Sheltering people from problems doesn’t get rid of the problem.
Just for the record, I like OG Cid. I Do however, think he is a problematic character and needed some adjustments. My criticisms in this video is that they modified him for the rating, but are bending over backwards to not throw out the original game continuity. The consequence for that is they have accept the former Cid with all his faults, exists in the universe in tact.
@@PixelFusionProductions it was just a general viewpoint I’ve had and the same can apply to the smoking but instead of showing anything bad they raise the minimum age. I mean a few cigarettes vs full combat I don’t know what is worse haha
Who says cid won't just 180 the moment he hits ground at rocket Town and just starts wailing on shera 😂 rugby tackles her to the floor curbstomping her holds foot upon her head while just saying one word "...tea" 😂
@@Grim1620-r5n Maybe he will. I hope that isn't the case. I suspect in order to keep their Cero C rating, though, they will have to keep up with the "Nice Guy Cid" we see in Rebirth. Domestic violence very quickly pushes the ratings up in Japan.
I'm a big fan of these "side-stuff" type of mysteries from big games like the ones you cover from Zelda and in this case Rebirth being FF7 my favorite. So that's nice stuff! The Queen Blood is my favorite so once I get into the rabbit hole of the plot line and quests I'll share my idea lmao
In my case, I do the following... I keep two Cactuars in my deck to aggressively expand the top out while creating buffs on the bottom. I use Titan to help expand the area out while bumping the spots to level 2. I also use Chocobo, Galactic Ranger (I think it is called, from the Gold Saucer) and Dio, all of which gain bonuses from cards being buffed. I have other buffing cards to help pump that more. I also included Vincent, who is a good expansion card, and a Yang to destroy him with. Choco Jockey is good too, extra 10 chips on a row you are winning. Overall, I aim to restrict how my opponent can expand. This basically worked on all my opponents including the Blood Queen herself.
To answer number 5. Its a metaphor for Jenova who is the blood queen who caused all the monsters. The white/green queen is supposed to be the ancient who defeated her
Question. Are you claiming that Jenova is the cause of Cactuars, Chocobos, and moogles? I need evidence that the Blood Queen is Jenova? Where is this shown in game?
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the Rocket Town incident happened? His behavior is so much better as to where in the OG, he is really focused on it, he can't get over it and blames it for basically killin the space program. It would br really hard to justify a change to the timeline to accommodate this... and sadly, I think this is only something that can be figured out when the 3rd game comes out.
@@PixelFusionProductions Some of the minigames can get deleted for all I care. Screw Kid G, that guy is annoying(to fight in the simulator) and so is his minigame! But most of them are fun/fine.
She doesn't even make it clear that she's talking about Zack as far as I'm concerned when she says who she misses. Is it likely to be him? I suppose, but it's a big world, it could be anyone. But your question of does she know is still relevant of course. Either way she must be thinking about Zack a lot or else why would she be in this place?
If Cid isn’t what he is like in the OG then what is his character arc and the growth like each other character gets? Don’t get me wrong hate the way he treated peeps but what will be his growth if he already is there? I hope they come up with something interesting or heavy because he probably had the biggest change especially after the events at the end of disc 2.
Oh believe me, I share your concerns. I like seeing bad people grown and become less bad people. It's why I like Cid! I'm afraid that ratings will make it difficult to portray him nearly as bad as he used to be... similar to how I knew they would be allowed to show a certain flower girl skewered on a sword.
@@PixelFusionProductions right I at least hope they make a tea joke or reference even if it’s subtle. Also totally agree I thought I missed something when I got to that scene in rebirth. Even replayed that chapter because was playing it with my 6 year old nephew and thought he distracted me. 😂😂
I do think Cissnei does know Zack is dead. She was in the area when Zack died as well as a Turk. It isn't just her not telling other people about Zack being dead. Aerith knew about Zack being dead but told his parents about him, maybe running off with a girl and still alive somewhere. Aerith doesn't tell Tifa about his death either. Tseng doesn't tell Aerith about Zack's death. Tifa doesn't tell Aerith about his death once she finds out about it through Cloud, who thinks his death was by the strong water currents. Despite having his head messed up and not knowing the complete truth, Cloud is the only one who is verbally talking about Zack's death.
That is a good point, Cloud seems to be the only one who outright says and accepts his death. Still, why is Cissnei so reluctant to accept it? You would think the Turks would have hard evidence... you know, a body, to verify it. Part of me wonders if the body disappeared. Doesn't Aeirth know because she sensed it from the Lifesteam like when she sensed Elmyra's husband's death? I have no real evidence for it, but I wonder if Zack's body got snatched after the battle by Hojo.
@PixelFusionProductions I don't know if Cissnei wants to keep this facade of making people from Gongaga believe Zack is still out there somewhere. I don't know if it is more towards herself or the other people who will be sad about his death. Many people from Gongaga want Zack to return to them. Zack's parents mentioned about having no news is just as good as good news something along the lines. The whole situation on what happened to Zack is one of those most taboo things to say out loud, it seems like. Zack killed hundreds upon hundreds of infantrymen, but no mention about losing that amount of them like they want to keep that situation buried. Tsung has met Cloud before but doesn't mention him being an infantryman. The story probably wants Cloud to find out along with the audience to know what really happened to Zack once his memories come back.
@@mysticlightning7655 Yeah, good point. If she knows, she seems to purposely be keeping it a secret from the town. I can kind of understand from his parents, but it's also a bit cruel. You are right that Tsung would know about Cloud, and Rufus seems to, as we see in the Junon Parade.
Yeah that's fun to think about, Ifalna being a good influence on Cid. We know next to nothing about how he met her. Hoping Cid explains a lot more about Aerith's mom in the third game. If he pulls a Cissnei on us I'll be annoyed.
@@PixelFusionProductions I wonder if they would rename where he's from, is it not going to be called Rocket Town? We don't really know. Anyway, I hope Shera is still around although I don't know what to expect from her.
@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw I'm sure Shera will be there, we just don't know how big of a role she will have. I'm not holding my breath, but it might be something big like the quest chain Choco Billy got.
I will have to take a look at those murals, do you recall where they are exactly? I don't think she is Jenova, it seems like the Blood Queen is much more recent. I also don't think Jenova is the source of all monsters, seems like something the Ancients would have mentioned in their info dump holograms.
@@PixelFusionProductions most monsters are usually mutated versions of animals by mako. Others by jenova. Near the end of the temple where there is holograms. There is murals of the blood queen and emerald witch. They are at war. The blood queen is coming out of Jenova emergents body
I will look for this mural, but I do not recall seeing anything like this. How are you certain it is the Blood Queen and Emerald Witch and not just some generic Cetra fighting against Jenova?
Yeah, there are some differences in Rebirth to it. I feel it was more tactical in integrate. Even with the command units (Cloud, Tifa, Barrett), there were some struggles on hard mode. I heard they added a big nerf to make even hard mode really trivial though...
OG fort condor is still the best by simple virtue of getting to actually control your units... though I'll certainly acknowledge that Intergrade Fort Condor was the most strategically interesting version so far.
11:46 why has no one discussed those fallen Shinra troops turning into monsters? Until now, we've only ever seen that in Final Fantasy X, when someone was unsent. I have not heard a single person bring that up.
Right, I know! It's so clearly a reference to FFX, both Yuna's dancing and the soldiers changing into monsters. The question I have, is why did these soldiers not just turn into LIfe Stream stuff? Maybe their spirits did move on, but their bodies changed into monsters? I want answers!
It could be something connected to the location. You would think that if people turned into monsters around the planet, it would be talked about. I wonder if this change happening in the temple is related to the myth that "nobody ever comes out of it" they talk about.
@@alirelax8761 Dude, Red Dead Redemption 2 was rated M. www.esrb.org/ratings/35888/red-dead-redemption-2/ In Japan, it got a Cero Z rating. i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RagAAOSwrLNgMWij/s-l1200.jpg FF7 Rebirth is Cero C and closer to a T rating. Furthermore, the settings are drastically different. I stated in my video that ultimately I think Cid isn't allowed to smoke because of the Cero C rating. In more adult games, drug use is generally more accepted by the protagonist. It's not explicitly a judgment call on part of the person, but in general, bad guys are allowed to smoke because they are bad guys.
I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh got send to the Rift “between dimensions” and not the Void (The Void was created by Euma or however you spell his name; the Ancient Evil before Exdeath in FF5, who also became a superboss in the GBA remake). Additionally, it is said that, when Gilgamesh travels between worlds, he travels across different points in Space and Time. So, while he travel through different points in time, he likely couldn’t do so for 1,000 years while being sealed away, even if he has the potential to go back right after he was sealed in the first place.
The "Void" is used in multiple games to describe the same thing. In FF9, you go into the void chasing after Kuja. In FF13-2, you encounter crystalline entites from there. Dissidia speaks of it. Gogo is from it. The Void is mere the interdimensiomal medium between dimensions. Also, the GBA translation is basically the worst translation of that game ever produced. As for Gilgamesh himself... The issue I am bringing up is that if his personal timeline, from his point of view, involved him being trapped thousands of years in Gaia. It seems like that is the case, and while The Void itself may warp time and connect to different times of the worlds it connects too, we simply don't know if time spent in other dimensions tracks consistently. It could be that it is one to one, that even minute spent in Gaia is the same as the world(s) of FF5. To could be that ever 7 minutes spent in Gaia is the same as 1 minute there... we simply don't know.
After looking into it more, it is commonly cited as Gaia in the community. This seems to stem from an old interview in Japanese. I really want to say Gaia is stated in Crisis Core, but I could be wrong. At some point in the past 20+ years, I came to know their world as Gaia and it stuck. I could be wrong, but for now, I don't see the harm in calling it that. finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gaia_(Final_Fantasy_VII)
@@TheBhappyboy1986 In ff7, ff8, ff9 when you press triangle to go to your menu right at the bottom right side corner says GAIA for all 3 games worlds and spira for ffx they wont just right that for nothink
I have seen a lot of criticism of Cid in the OG. I think his development was great even if he was abusive to his partner. He reflects on it and is remorseful for it. I don’t get why new media is so scared of tackling these very real problems in society and show that your actions have consequences and that they are wrong. Sheltering people from problems doesn’t get rid of the problem.
Just for the record, I like OG Cid. I Do however, think he is a problematic character and needed some adjustments.
My criticisms in this video is that they modified him for the rating, but are bending over backwards to not throw out the original game continuity. The consequence for that is they have accept the former Cid with all his faults, exists in the universe in tact.
@@PixelFusionProductions it was just a general viewpoint I’ve had and the same can apply to the smoking but instead of showing anything bad they raise the minimum age. I mean a few cigarettes vs full combat I don’t know what is worse haha
Who says cid won't just 180 the moment he hits ground at rocket Town and just starts wailing on shera 😂 rugby tackles her to the floor curbstomping her holds foot upon her head while just saying one word "...tea" 😂
@@Grim1620-r5n Maybe he will. I hope that isn't the case. I suspect in order to keep their Cero C rating, though, they will have to keep up with the "Nice Guy Cid" we see in Rebirth. Domestic violence very quickly pushes the ratings up in Japan.
I really like your logic and presentation here and your video editing skills are far better than what I have.
Aww, thanks.
I hope we get to explore the sunken Junon under water in part 3
They can't tease us with a sunken city then not follow through, right? It will be cool.
Great video 👍
Thank you kindly.
I'm a big fan of these "side-stuff" type of mysteries from big games like the ones you cover from Zelda and in this case Rebirth being FF7 my favorite. So that's nice stuff! The Queen Blood is my favorite so once I get into the rabbit hole of the plot line and quests I'll share my idea lmao
I got more to talk about too. Gonna start talking about the Shinra Villains next video.
Great video and questions! Just curious, what strategy do you use for Queensblood? Thank you!
In my case, I do the following...
I keep two Cactuars in my deck to aggressively expand the top out while creating buffs on the bottom. I use Titan to help expand the area out while bumping the spots to level 2. I also use Chocobo, Galactic Ranger (I think it is called, from the Gold Saucer) and Dio, all of which gain bonuses from cards being buffed. I have other buffing cards to help pump that more. I also included Vincent, who is a good expansion card, and a Yang to destroy him with. Choco Jockey is good too, extra 10 chips on a row you are winning.
Overall, I aim to restrict how my opponent can expand. This basically worked on all my opponents including the Blood Queen herself.
Machina city you said, did you mean Zanarkand? More FFX easter eggs!
They give it a name, I'd have to go look ot up. It isn't Zanarkand though.
To answer number 5. Its a metaphor for Jenova who is the blood queen who caused all the monsters. The white/green queen is supposed to be the ancient who defeated her
Question. Are you claiming that Jenova is the cause of Cactuars, Chocobos, and moogles?
I need evidence that the Blood Queen is Jenova? Where is this shown in game?
Excellent job!
Thank you.
It kind of makes sense that since Cid doesn’t smoke, he wouldn’t be as irritable 🤭
I like your idea that Cid’s fate changed after meeting Ifalna
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the Rocket Town incident happened? His behavior is so much better as to where in the OG, he is really focused on it, he can't get over it and blames it for basically killin the space program.
It would br really hard to justify a change to the timeline to accommodate this... and sadly, I think this is only something that can be figured out when the 3rd game comes out.
I like the Condor games, they have been fun, been enjoying them since the Euphie DLC.
I've grown tired of the mini games. Well, QB is good.
@@PixelFusionProductions Some of the minigames can get deleted for all I care. Screw Kid G, that guy is annoying(to fight in the simulator) and so is his minigame! But most of them are fun/fine.
She doesn't even make it clear that she's talking about Zack as far as I'm concerned when she says who she misses. Is it likely to be him? I suppose, but it's a big world, it could be anyone. But your question of does she know is still relevant of course. Either way she must be thinking about Zack a lot or else why would she be in this place?
In Crisis Core, she promised to look after his folks. I honestly can't imagine anybody else she would be speaking of.
If Cid isn’t what he is like in the OG then what is his character arc and the growth like each other character gets? Don’t get me wrong hate the way he treated peeps but what will be his growth if he already is there? I hope they come up with something interesting or heavy because he probably had the biggest change especially after the events at the end of disc 2.
Oh believe me, I share your concerns. I like seeing bad people grown and become less bad people. It's why I like Cid! I'm afraid that ratings will make it difficult to portray him nearly as bad as he used to be... similar to how I knew they would be allowed to show a certain flower girl skewered on a sword.
@@PixelFusionProductions right I at least hope they make a tea joke or reference even if it’s subtle. Also totally agree I thought I missed something when I got to that scene in rebirth. Even replayed that chapter because was playing it with my 6 year old nephew and thought he distracted me. 😂😂
They can do better than a joke or reference. I want a full tea serving mini-game complete with Cid flipping the table if you do bad enough.
I do think Cissnei does know Zack is dead. She was in the area when Zack died as well as a Turk. It isn't just her not telling other people about Zack being dead. Aerith knew about Zack being dead but told his parents about him, maybe running off with a girl and still alive somewhere. Aerith doesn't tell Tifa about his death either. Tseng doesn't tell Aerith about Zack's death. Tifa doesn't tell Aerith about his death once she finds out about it through Cloud, who thinks his death was by the strong water currents. Despite having his head messed up and not knowing the complete truth, Cloud is the only one who is verbally talking about Zack's death.
That is a good point, Cloud seems to be the only one who outright says and accepts his death. Still, why is Cissnei so reluctant to accept it? You would think the Turks would have hard evidence... you know, a body, to verify it.
Part of me wonders if the body disappeared. Doesn't Aeirth know because she sensed it from the Lifesteam like when she sensed Elmyra's husband's death?
I have no real evidence for it, but I wonder if Zack's body got snatched after the battle by Hojo.
@PixelFusionProductions I don't know if Cissnei wants to keep this facade of making people from Gongaga believe Zack is still out there somewhere. I don't know if it is more towards herself or the other people who will be sad about his death. Many people from Gongaga want Zack to return to them. Zack's parents mentioned about having no news is just as good as good news something along the lines.
The whole situation on what happened to Zack is one of those most taboo things to say out loud, it seems like. Zack killed hundreds upon hundreds of infantrymen, but no mention about losing that amount of them like they want to keep that situation buried.
Tsung has met Cloud before but doesn't mention him being an infantryman.
The story probably wants Cloud to find out along with the audience to know what really happened to Zack once his memories come back.
@@mysticlightning7655 Yeah, good point. If she knows, she seems to purposely be keeping it a secret from the town. I can kind of understand from his parents, but it's also a bit cruel.
You are right that Tsung would know about Cloud, and Rufus seems to, as we see in the Junon Parade.
Yeah that's fun to think about, Ifalna being a good influence on Cid. We know next to nothing about how he met her. Hoping Cid explains a lot more about Aerith's mom in the third game. If he pulls a Cissnei on us I'll be annoyed.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like the Rocket Town incident didn't happen...
@@PixelFusionProductions I wonder if they would rename where he's from, is it not going to be called Rocket Town? We don't really know. Anyway, I hope Shera is still around although I don't know what to expect from her.
@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw I'm sure Shera will be there, we just don't know how big of a role she will have. I'm not holding my breath, but it might be something big like the quest chain Choco Billy got.
The blood queen is Jenova. You see her depiction in the Temple of the Ancients in murals
I will have to take a look at those murals, do you recall where they are exactly?
I don't think she is Jenova, it seems like the Blood Queen is much more recent. I also don't think Jenova is the source of all monsters, seems like something the Ancients would have mentioned in their info dump holograms.
@@PixelFusionProductions most monsters are usually mutated versions of animals by mako. Others by jenova.
Near the end of the temple where there is holograms. There is murals of the blood queen and emerald witch. They are at war. The blood queen is coming out of Jenova emergents body
I will look for this mural, but I do not recall seeing anything like this. How are you certain it is the Blood Queen and Emerald Witch and not just some generic Cetra fighting against Jenova?
@@PixelFusionProductions you will understand once you see the mural. There is no way to misunderstand. The mural is near identical to the card art
Someone on reddit posted images of the mural. Much quicker to look that way
I loved Fort Condor in Remake. I dunno why they dumbed it down in Rebirth instead of expanding on it!!
They added cloud, Barrett, and Tifa as special units. So they did expand on it in a way but took away some.
Yeah, there are some differences in Rebirth to it. I feel it was more tactical in integrate. Even with the command units (Cloud, Tifa, Barrett), there were some struggles on hard mode. I heard they added a big nerf to make even hard mode really trivial though...
Yup, that's the case.
OG fort condor is still the best by simple virtue of getting to actually control your units... though I'll certainly acknowledge that Intergrade Fort Condor was the most strategically interesting version so far.
11:46 why has no one discussed those fallen Shinra troops turning into monsters? Until now, we've only ever seen that in Final Fantasy X, when someone was unsent. I have not heard a single person bring that up.
Right, I know! It's so clearly a reference to FFX, both Yuna's dancing and the soldiers changing into monsters. The question I have, is why did these soldiers not just turn into LIfe Stream stuff? Maybe their spirits did move on, but their bodies changed into monsters? I want answers!
@PixelFusionProductions It's only ever seen happening in the Temple of the Ancients so that might be a connection?
It could be something connected to the location. You would think that if people turned into monsters around the planet, it would be talked about. I wonder if this change happening in the temple is related to the myth that "nobody ever comes out of it" they talk about.
Wasnt it a condor sitting on the egg of a phoenix in the original?
No, it was a condor and her egg.
For Cid not smoking, you are wrong... did you forget Shinra president was smoking.
I actually didn't. President Shinra is a major villain though, not one of our heroes. I'm surprised nobody else has brought this up though...
Smoking is not a sign of good or bad person it's just a cigar... Every RDR2 character was smoking, which doesn't make them bad.
@@alirelax8761 Dude, Red Dead Redemption 2 was rated M.
www.esrb.org/ratings/35888/red-dead-redemption-2/
In Japan, it got a Cero Z rating.
i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RagAAOSwrLNgMWij/s-l1200.jpg
FF7 Rebirth is Cero C and closer to a T rating. Furthermore, the settings are drastically different. I stated in my video that ultimately I think Cid isn't allowed to smoke because of the Cero C rating.
In more adult games, drug use is generally more accepted by the protagonist. It's not explicitly a judgment call on part of the person, but in general, bad guys are allowed to smoke because they are bad guys.
I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh got send to the Rift “between dimensions” and not the Void (The Void was created by Euma or however you spell his name; the Ancient Evil before Exdeath in FF5, who also became a superboss in the GBA remake).
Additionally, it is said that, when Gilgamesh travels between worlds, he travels across different points in Space and Time. So, while he travel through different points in time, he likely couldn’t do so for 1,000 years while being sealed away, even if he has the potential to go back right after he was sealed in the first place.
The "Void" is used in multiple games to describe the same thing. In FF9, you go into the void chasing after Kuja. In FF13-2, you encounter crystalline entites from there. Dissidia speaks of it. Gogo is from it. The Void is mere the interdimensiomal medium between dimensions.
Also, the GBA translation is basically the worst translation of that game ever produced. As for Gilgamesh himself...
The issue I am bringing up is that if his personal timeline, from his point of view, involved him being trapped thousands of years in Gaia. It seems like that is the case, and while The Void itself may warp time and connect to different times of the worlds it connects too, we simply don't know if time spent in other dimensions tracks consistently.
It could be that it is one to one, that even minute spent in Gaia is the same as the world(s) of FF5. To could be that ever 7 minutes spent in Gaia is the same as 1 minute there... we simply don't know.
Really really like this video only thing is that the planet is never called Gaia and it’s not canonical
I believe it is called that in Crisis Core when exploring towards Minerva.
@@PixelFusionProductions i am 100% sure none of the Compilation, nor the original game, refer to the planet as "Gaia" - it's always "The Planet."
After looking into it more, it is commonly cited as Gaia in the community. This seems to stem from an old interview in Japanese.
I really want to say Gaia is stated in Crisis Core, but I could be wrong. At some point in the past 20+ years, I came to know their world as Gaia and it stuck. I could be wrong, but for now, I don't see the harm in calling it that.
finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gaia_(Final_Fantasy_VII)
@@PixelFusionProductions no harm at all just confusing
@@TheBhappyboy1986 In ff7, ff8, ff9 when you press triangle to go to your menu right at the bottom right side corner says GAIA for all 3 games worlds and spira for ffx they wont just right that for nothink