Hello - I am Kassie Bracken. My colleague Alex Eaton and I produced this video looking at the recent history of our voting systems, and why some experts think this could be the most secure election yet when it comes to technology. It's also a journey showing how paper has come full circle in the past 20 years. Remember the chads in 2000 (if not, you'll learn more about them here)? Well, they set off a chain of events that still resonate in our security today. Voting technology is one important aspect of how we vote - please watch the other episodes in our series "Stressed Election" where we cover the impact of voting laws, voting by mail and the effect of disinformation on our elections.
@@ianhomerpura8937 my country has it, but it works for small populations more than large ones.. for example India is a very large one and they do manual voting, the process is expensive and really hard to maintain safe.
@@anita83music because the hole size in a mask is too big to stop or even slow down a virus. It has been likened to trying to stop ping-pong balls with the volleyball net.
@@anita83music Yeah there's absolutely no proof that masks do anything, which is why they clearly state on the packaging that it will not stop covid or other viruses and that they aren't liable. You can also see the CDC and WHO stating the same thing.
@@Dranamolous There's tons of them, just look around on non Google search engines. Bing is fairly decent still, but it's probably faster to just look at the box and read where the manufacturer themselves state that masks will not stop covid or any other viruses and that they won't accept liability.
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Germany too. Elections should be understandable for everyone. You should not need to trust voting computers and their manufacturers. Paper works fine. We do not need to digitalize for digitalization’s sake.
The problem with that system is the much larger population of the US. And, while I do agree with that it is simpler to do it with pen and paper, you could see the problem with paper votes in the 2000 election.
.... Here in the UK, when the elections happened, I walked down the road, literally 2 minutes, walked in, immediately cast my vote with a pen and paper, handed it to them and was out of there within minutes. How the US is struggling with hours and hours of lines, is ... simply voter suppression. It just shouldn't be that way.
That's my experience as well. It's literally just a few stalls set up in a nursery/church hall/community centre...etc., with a few people (who usually look like retirees) ticking names off a list. I doubt it even costs that much.
In Indonesia too. Last time I voted took me 3 mins from start to finish and it's just 2 minutes walk to the polling station. And every single house in the country have a 2-3 minute walk, max, to the polling station. And we're 267 million strong.
In France we just fill a paper in an envelope and cast it in the box, 2minutes too, just verification of ID + signing on a document. And the whole process is observed by many people and the guy say out loud "Has voted" when ever an envelope goes in. Also the box is obviously transparent so they would see if you tryed to smuggle more than one. Any wrong vote is either discarded or counted as "blank". 1 candidate can have 45%, another 45%, and 10% blank, so there are still no majority and they would do another election.
Given that you guys use single transferable vote, it's probably infeasible to count ballots with machines anyway. Unless the machines can accurately recognize Arabic numerals.
Or we could just not use a machine as a pen and fill the ballot ourselves with a pen and paper... Tom Scott pointed this out years ago: ruclips.net/video/w3_0x6oaDmI/видео.html
Paper requires cutting trees and processing that into paper. Unless you plan on recycling those tens of millions of papers every year Edit : to everyone saying how that won't make a difference, I already got the point, read the whole thread first thank you 😊
@@warren5037 or making tens of thousands new/updated voting machines, which contain many rare materials and use electricity. I don't think that is a valid reason to not use ballots...
@@warren5037 in the Netherlands we have paper only elections, and the trust percentage and the voting turnout are both higher than in the USA. I understand that there are also many reasons to do it (partly) electronically, but in my opinion paper only is better than what the USA is doing
The scanner based voting systems do exactly that. Here in Oregon, we shade in the circle for our choice, which can be scanned or manually counted, and thus verified...
@@davidhollenshead4892 I am not aware of how ballots look, is that an in person thing too? Or is it just mail in ballots, because I know in many states that in mail in ballots too.
I've counted thousands of votes here in the netherlands. And I can tell you one thing. nothing is more secure than just a red pencil and paper. You vote, put it in a sealed container at 2100 the polls close and we start counting, It takes 3 to 4 hours and phone in the exit polls. Easy, safe and unhackable
This seems overly complicated. Here in Australia and in New Zealand (and pretty much most of the nations around here), we just stick with pen/pencil and paper voting.
@@mdratul4645 The Democrat primaries. The polling stations being closed. The post office fiasco. The possibility of a repeat of 2000 with the courts getting involved. And you're worried about Russian troll farms?
@@benas_st as a voter what can you trust more to make a permanent mark pen or pencil? If you're a ballot counter do you think there's not at least two other people watching everything your doing? How do you erease a ballot or a significant number of them and not get caught? ruclips.net/video/w3_0x6oaDmI/видео.html
@Enzo DiMasi Yes they can, but that absolutely should not be an issue after you drop your ballot in the sealed box, if it is how else are the counters messing with ballots and not being caught? Fix your bad counting procedure. You absolutely never ever trust in an election, there should be observers from all parties watching the ballot counters. No one or two people should ever be left alone with ballots. So, how does a ballot counter erease a ballot and not get caught? What do they do with the ereased ballot? Can you even erease the mark on the thin news print paper ballot without leaving a trace of the original mark or your attempt to erease it? On the other hand someone changes out the pen for one that has disappearing ink, you believe you cast your ballot but all a ballot counter will see is a blank spoiled ballot.
Having paper ballots is one way to secure integrity. But what you missed was that 4 states didnt make it necessary to validate signatures on mail in ballots. Anyone can send in a ballot with a fake signature. Also, the dominion voting machines were connected to the internet, another reason why our voting system is vulnerable. After investigating the data from the machines, the information was being sent to canada and then returned to america. A lot can happen and access to machines and hard drives can dramtically reduce security.
@@wt6092 best is EVM+VVPAT of India, Simple counter based machine count votes and slip is printed. Voters cam see symbol printing and going into box. Billions of vote counted in 7-8 hrs on result day. right now Slips are randomly matched but candidate can ask to match all slips if they don't trust machine. few hours before voting starts any party representatives on each booth can test machine.
I know, it seems like the technology exists to transfer billions of dollars safely by citizens every day in the US. If banks can do it, there's no good reason why it couldn't be done. Biometrics, PIN number, blockchain etc.
That sounds nice. I'm guessing you have not taken a course that covers proof of computer program correctness. That proof is a cousin to a unicorn. And forget about "blockchain". That's just a different rainbow chase.
In Canada we have a paper ballot with the candidates and party affiliation and a circle by each name. You put an X in the circle next to the name of the candidate of your choice. You fold the ballot and deposit it in a box. No computers. We've done it this way for a 150 years. It works.
I vote in two countries. One is a "developed"country (France), the other is a "developing" country (Argentina). In both we vote by putting a ballot inside an envelope inside a sealed box. Very High tech. Then the ballot get counted in front of representatives of every party. In both countries we get our results overnight.
Everything in the UK involves paper and all you need to do is put a mark next to your candidate, we never have systemic failures with elections. America confuses me with why everything has to be so complicated and partizan.
@Somarik GreenReports from the Electoral Commission point out what is being done to combat instances of voter fraud. I have linked the report below instances of voter fraud. I have linked the report below. www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Electoral-fraud-review-final-report.pdf Additionally, new legislative changes are being introduced such as individual registration and Voter ID trails at the 2018 local elections. Moreover, my original point is that despite having elections ran by local authorities, national oversight and standards mean that the result of elections are negligibly disputed or litigious in comparison with the US. With minimal, if any barriers to a vast majority of voters voting, for an analogy the longest queue I have ever been in to vote was the 2016 PCC elections was 3 minutes when my parents came with me. I apologise for the confusion caused.
@Somarik Green In 2019, there were 592 cases of alleged electoral fraud in the UK - only 3 of the subsequent investigations returned a conviction. 1 was for false information on a nomination paper (not due to issues with paper ballots), another was for grabbing a ballot box after being told they were not eligible to vote (a hissy fit, again not a result of paper ballots) and the final 1 was for voting twice, using his son's name. Not one of those convictions is a consequence of paper ballots - all instances could have occurred if we used an electronic system. You are categorically wrong about the state of voter fraud - yes, for as long as there has been voting there have been minor instances of fraud but not on a large scale.
“My thrill was a little bit tempered by the frustration of knowing they could have done it years before”. You and me both sister. My fifth grade class predicted what happened in the 2016 election, in 2001. A DRE machine was demonstrated to the class, because the state was considering purchasing them. Much to the chagrin of those presenting the machines, virtually every kid in the state said it was dumb. The then governor got letters from many different schools urging him not to purchase DRE machines. Fortunately, he had the intelligence and the humility to listen to that advice even though it came from children. But if only every governor had been the same. If only every fifth grade class had been by their teacher to be so engaged.
Because you already have to have a photo ID to register to vote and you can't vote if you're not registered. The notion that requiring ID at the ballot box would increase the integrity is nothing more than propaganda to justify voter suppression as what voter ID laws do is specifically target the types of ID commonly used by underprivileged individuals and makes it so those types of ID can't be used for voting purposes. Its like the literacy tests. Sure, it sounds nice that uninformed individuals can't vote, but the reality is that the literacy tests didn't test literacy at all and were just a veil to prevent black people from voting. The questions they asked on literacy tests didn't have a "correct" option. The questions were incomprehensible because the purpose wasn't to test literacy. It was to stop black people from voting.
@Ray _ I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that voter ID laws specifically target the types of ID that African Americans commonly have and makes it so those forms of ID cannot be used to vote. Its not about "black people being too stupid" thats an insane set of words to shove down my my mouth; its about the fact that the ID laws target African Americans, when African Americans get the new ID required to vote the ID laws get changed to make that form of ID illegal. I drew the comparison between the literacy tests because both are forms of voter suppression that have deceptive names. Just like literacy tests didn't actually test literacy, voter ID laws aren't actually about requiring photo ID.
@@Cdictator that's not true. In every single state I know when you register to vote you are required to provide ID. When you register to vote should be the only time you're required to give an ID. When you go to the polls requiring ID is pointless because when you register to vote you get a card that confirms you are registered to vote. If they genuinely cared about election integrity like they claim then all you would require is your voter registration card that gets issued to you when you register to vote. But that's not what its about which is precisely why states with voter ID laws don't consider voter registration cards as a proper form of ID to vote.
@Enzo DiMasi there is no signature needed either to get the ballot or submitted the ballot. I literally just walked in and tell them my name and address then they give me the ballot. Literally anyone knowing my name and address can vote under my name. I don’t see how a photo id will suppress vote. ID card is cheap, they can just print it out for you on the day you register.
this reminds me of my dream to have a paper backup of the binaries of my files in my computer because paper seems to survive longer than hard drives and ssd.
You've spent the last 4 years establishing that voting wasn't secure. The last presidential and latest campaign as well. Bush vs Al Gore. A decade and some change and we're still having issue.
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And the moment Trump wins again The New York Times will be telling us that Russia and China hacked the election and telling us how the election is illegitimate and they will contest the results.
In india, we have 100% electrical voting, which is controlled by the Election Commission of India(ECI). When you vote a slip is printed which says which candidate you voted for. You, the voter, can see the slip but it cant be touched by humans as it goes straight into a box. So if after the elections if someone raises questions about malpractice in voting, the slips are cross verified. You guys shd try this out.
THIS is exactly why we need a public and distributed ledger that can securely record the votes of verified individuals... a blockchain based voting system is the answer.
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Cold take. Also how was that “one of the most successful intelligence operations in modern history” if, as claimed in the video, they didn’t find any evidence?
CORRECT! Use DuckDuckGo and search Voting machines Clinton The left needed to manufacture a crisis to push for mass mail in voting. Yes, covid is a bad virus. Yes, people have died. H1N1 killed 80,000 people last year in USA. Yet no lock downs. Not many people even know that more kids died of H1N1 in the first 5 months than have of covid in 10 months. Yet no schools closed. H1N1 came out in 2009. 10 years later it’s still here and yet no one ever blamed Obama. Not one person. In a cdc conference in late October 2009 Dr Fauci said you can’t stop a virus anymore than you can stop the earth from shaking during an earthquake. Yet now it’s “we must close down and stop it!” Start back dating research on the CDC and news articles- look how differently H1N1 was talked about. Despite it killing more people under 45 years old. Covid is here to stay, we have to learn how to adapt and treat it. If the left & cdc will now allow the people to know of all the available treatments since elections are over....
If you want a human readable paper trail, why not just skip the expensive machines altogether and just use a paper ballot and a pen? Why use all these machines in the first place?
I find that suspicious, too. But electronic voting machines are, in fact, very insecure. Especially if they are old. I'm also referring to Tom Scott here: ruclips.net/video/LkH2r-sNjQs/видео.html
How come no silicon valley startup created a voting app for smartphones that uses 3-way authentification of the voter. 1- email login, 2- biometric (fingerprint & face ID), 3 SMS verification (ala banks). Once the voter passes all three authentication barriers the vote is cast and automatic email trail is created and sent to the voters email, also a PDF trail that can be downloaded and printed right from the smartphone.
I don't really understand why these voting machines were purchased in the first place. How often does the active US citizen vote on any level - once or twice a year? Is it really cost efficient to buy equipment that is used so rarely but will need to be replaced every couple of years? It would be a lot cheaper and safer to use machine legible ballot forms and have them read and counted by machines that could be rented for the occasion at a fairly low cost. OCR is decades old and good enough to scan and read contract forms - so telling a checked box from an unchecked one is the easiest thing...
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Yes, experts say that we need to use more machines that have a paper based validation possibility. Then you don't need people to go through all ballots but instead just check for errors.
AWESOME TOPIC and TIMELY. Well maybe it would've been better if this video came out 4-6 months ago. THANKS for covering this big question for most of the US population.
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Travis County has done a fantastic job with this year’s elections. Not only are the new voting machines intuitive and secured by a paper trail, but we’ve also registered 97% of eligible voting-age adults. Thanks Dana!
Why don't they just have the DRE's not be hooked up to the Internet? Only allow them to sync with other voting machines within the same county, using a LAN, rather than an Internet connection? Then, county officials can certify the election results, send in ONE paper ballot per county to the state SoS, and have them tally all the votes? Then the Russians can't tap into the voting machines, not if those voting machines aren't connected to the Internet.
Well, this video hasn't aged well in just 48 hours given what the Director of National Intelligence and FBI Director just said. The security of the voting machines don't matter if other countries could possibly tamper with who is registered in the first place.
Use DuckDuckGo and search Voting machines Clinton The left needed to manufacture a crisis to push for mass mail in voting. Yes, covid is a bad virus. Yes, people have died. H1N1 killed 80,000 people last year in USA. Yet no lock downs. Not many people even know that more kids died of H1N1 in the first 5 months than have of covid in 10 months. Yet no schools closed. H1N1 came out in 2009. 10 years later it’s still here and yet no one ever blamed Obama. Not one person. In a cdc conference in late October 2009 Dr Fauci said you can’t stop a virus anymore than you can stop the earth from shaking during an earthquake. Yet now it’s “we must close down and stop it!” Start back dating research on the CDC and news articles- look how differently H1N1 was talked about. Despite it killing more people under 45 years old. Covid is here to stay, we have to learn how to adapt and treat it. If the left & cdc will now allow the people to know of all the available treatments since elections are over....
Countries like the US are lucky that authorities take these matters seriously. Meanwhile, in some countries, they count votes using the same old and vulnerable machines from 2010 that weren't even updated for the next election. Unsurprisingly, it resulted to manipulation of vote counts.
Amazing accomplishment to go from openly doubted to "most secrue". January 2020, the CEOs of the three companies that produce over 80 percent of voting machines in the U.S. - Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic - were grilled by members of Congress over the question of security at the ballot box. No one was so certain at that time. THEN in the midst of a pandemic, people locked down, all the same machines in place, it MIRACULOUSLY transforms into ULTIMATE SECURITY. Some claim to believe, but they also don't want to make sure with a recount, so we know how confident they are...no more than the rest of us. FAKE CLAIM.
I think we should: Make it law that every mentally capable citizen of the USA is required to vote or face a ticket fine, maybe $100. Then require whoever is in charge of state IDs for those living in a state to be in charge of taking the votes and keeping track of them, linking votes to the IDs. This would typically be a DMV. For those living out of country it would fall to whoever is the most local authority for their ID, maybe the nearest US Embassy. By keeping track of what each person votes connected to their ID it will be possible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt for virtually all cases who voted what. However, for privacy of vote only certain bureaucrats tasked with keeping track of voting could access that information and it could be made a more serious offense if the privacy of an individuals voting is unlawfully from access these records, an offense which can range from a strong civil to an actual criminal charge depending upon the severity. For checking votes a non-partisan or bipartisan group of such bureaucrats would then be able to investigate any claims of fraud. Then, make all votes open for voting for a full month or maybe even two months, thus there is no excuse for not finding time to get to a DMV and vote, especially if voting is allowed through the Internet and each individual could access their vote on the Internet to confirm what their voting record shows.
Its so weird to watch this video as an estonian (small country below finland next to russia) as we have been voting online since 2005. But i understand that most of it boils down to the trust and reliability in the voting system and we are lucky, bcus as a highly digitalised country we trust our online system but we know that if we do not trust it you still have a choise to vote in person on pen and paper. The best of both worlds. (As a fun fact over 40% of the votes in the latest estonian elecrion were online votes)
Dominion Software was rejected by Texas Secretary of State on advice of IT analysts who showed that ballot counting machines could EASILY be compromised. This is a FACT. This election has the LOWEST confidence amongst electorate due to fraud allegations amongst swing states. A significant number of affidavits have been signed alleging SERIOUS election irregularities as well as Dominion Software misuse and "glitches". USPS Whistleblower stands by his statement that mall-in ballots were cured and back-dated instead of being rejected despite false media reports that he recanted his statement which he has not. There will be a full audit of states that have had serious allegations made starting with Georgia. If you did some real reporting you would uncover the truth that the election is being stolen.
Its easier to be corrupt when the only burden is on a few private companies (Dominion) who refuse audits, etc. They can't nearly as easily refuse subpoenas if its a Gov't agency controlling the systems.
Why don't you use just a simple chemical pencil and a printed paper in US? You mark the paper, flip it over, put it in an official cardboard boxes, and (volunteering) poll watchers can open it only in front of the police at the end of elections. You can't rub or dissolve or hack the pencil sign, nor see it through the paper: so it's super safe AND CHEAP! In Italy, the election machinery (polling stations, police, etc...) cost us no less than 400 million euros - and we already think is too much! Why does US even spends money on buying machines invented and produced by privates for the very backbone act of a democracy?
They should use secure encrypted internet voting. You can print out your own ballot choice. If you trust online banking why not online voting. Get rid of all these voting machines.
Hello - I am Kassie Bracken. My colleague Alex Eaton and I produced this video looking at the recent history of our voting systems, and why some experts think this could be the most secure election yet when it comes to technology. It's also a journey showing how paper has come full circle in the past 20 years. Remember the chads in 2000 (if not, you'll learn more about them here)? Well, they set off a chain of events that still resonate in our security today. Voting technology is one important aspect of how we vote - please watch the other episodes in our series "Stressed Election" where we cover the impact of voting laws, voting by mail and the effect of disinformation on our elections.
U.s. gov uses old tech for a reason, not new tech.
Military still uses windows 95.
Thank you for your important and comprehensive work! I learned a lot from this video.
Excellent journalism!
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When u think Americans can't possibly privatize everything;
HERE IS VOTING MACHINE INDUSTRY!
Literally every country does the same..
@@yoyoman_blue6485 Do they really though?
@@yoyoman_blue6485 you forgot about manual voting?
@@ianhomerpura8937 my country has it, but it works for small populations more than large ones.. for example India is a very large one and they do manual voting, the process is expensive and really hard to maintain safe.
Capitalism!
I cant process how U.S privitized voting industry
@Raymond Max how do they not work?
@@anita83music because the hole size in a mask is too big to stop or even slow down a virus. It has been likened to trying to stop ping-pong balls with the volleyball net.
@@tombutler7296 can you link a study from a reputable journal?
@@anita83music Yeah there's absolutely no proof that masks do anything, which is why they clearly state on the packaging that it will not stop covid or other viruses and that they aren't liable. You can also see the CDC and WHO stating the same thing.
@@Dranamolous There's tons of them, just look around on non Google search engines. Bing is fairly decent still, but it's probably faster to just look at the box and read where the manufacturer themselves state that masks will not stop covid or any other viruses and that they won't accept liability.
Pen, paper and human counting in a public hall - how the UK has done it for centuries and it works perfectly.
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yea right
Germany too. Elections should be understandable for everyone. You should not need to trust voting computers and their manufacturers. Paper works fine. We do not need to digitalize for digitalization’s sake.
In the Netherlands as well, however, correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Brexit referendum compromised by Russian interference?
The problem with that system is the much larger population of the US. And, while I do agree with that it is simpler to do it with pen and paper, you could see the problem with paper votes in the 2000 election.
.... Here in the UK, when the elections happened, I walked down the road, literally 2 minutes, walked in, immediately cast my vote with a pen and paper, handed it to them and was out of there within minutes. How the US is struggling with hours and hours of lines, is ... simply voter suppression. It just shouldn't be that way.
That's my experience as well. It's literally just a few stalls set up in a nursery/church hall/community centre...etc., with a few people (who usually look like retirees) ticking names off a list. I doubt it even costs that much.
In Indonesia too. Last time I voted took me 3 mins from start to finish and it's just 2 minutes walk to the polling station. And every single house in the country have a 2-3 minute walk, max, to the polling station. And we're 267 million strong.
Exactly the same here in New Zealand (or Australia). Took 5 min to vote.
In France we just fill a paper in an envelope and cast it in the box, 2minutes too, just verification of ID + signing on a document. And the whole process is observed by many people and the guy say out loud "Has voted" when ever an envelope goes in.
Also the box is obviously transparent so they would see if you tryed to smuggle more than one.
Any wrong vote is either discarded or counted as "blank".
1 candidate can have 45%, another 45%, and 10% blank, so there are still no majority and they would do another election.
Same in Canada, I have never seen a line up, I just walk straight in and vote. Piece of paper.
This is why we use paper and pencil ballots in Australia 🇦🇺
I always vote on paper. I don't trust the machines.
Given that you guys use single transferable vote, it's probably infeasible to count ballots with machines anyway. Unless the machines can accurately recognize Arabic numerals.
@@QuantumWalnut Arabic Numerals...? Okay dude.
@@Willopo100 Yea? It's the official term for the symbols "1 2 3 4 5..."
@@Willopo100 - yeah I was like wtf ? 🤣
Or we could just not use a machine as a pen and fill the ballot ourselves with a pen and paper...
Tom Scott pointed this out years ago: ruclips.net/video/w3_0x6oaDmI/видео.html
Paper requires cutting trees and processing that into paper.
Unless you plan on recycling those tens of millions of papers every year
Edit : to everyone saying how that won't make a difference, I already got the point, read the whole thread first thank you 😊
@@warren5037 or making tens of thousands new/updated voting machines, which contain many rare materials and use electricity. I don't think that is a valid reason to not use ballots...
@@ilse09 not advocating for paperless elections. I'm saying having only paper and pencil is not good for elections
@@warren5037 in the Netherlands we have paper only elections, and the trust percentage and the voting turnout are both higher than in the USA. I understand that there are also many reasons to do it (partly) electronically, but in my opinion paper only is better than what the USA is doing
Both would be best I believe. Paper can be destroyed easily.
What is wrong about writing X on a piece of paper? You can’t hack it
That's a little high tech. Also we would have to higher people to count those ballots, and America hates paying high school students money!
The scanner based voting systems do exactly that.
Here in Oregon, we shade in the circle for our choice, which can be scanned or manually counted, and thus verified...
@@davidhollenshead4892 I am not aware of how ballots look, is that an in person thing too? Or is it just mail in ballots, because I know in many states that in mail in ballots too.
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You don’t write an X 💀 you have to fill in the bubble. If you put an X in the bubble, your ballot won’t be counted.
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I've counted thousands of votes here in the netherlands. And I can tell you one thing. nothing is more secure than just a red pencil and paper. You vote, put it in a sealed container at 2100 the polls close and we start counting, It takes 3 to 4 hours and phone in the exit polls. Easy, safe and unhackable
This seems overly complicated. Here in Australia and in New Zealand (and pretty much most of the nations around here), we just stick with pen/pencil and paper voting.
I'd be more worried about other Americans interfering with the election than Russia
Explain
@@mdratul4645 The Democrat primaries. The polling stations being closed.
The post office fiasco.
The possibility of a repeat of 2000 with the courts getting involved.
And you're worried about Russian troll farms?
As were doing the republicans just last week in California...
A good percentage of the Democrat "voter base" is election fraud.
@@orion7873 So people voting is now considered voter fraud or is it because you don't want people who aren't 'your people' to vote.
So the US found out what UK has known for years, that paper is more secure?
*Paper trail not only paper
Now for them to figure out paper ballots and pencil (not pen, disappearing ink is a thing)
@@edolon so are erasers 🤷
@@benas_st as a voter what can you trust more to make a permanent mark pen or pencil? If you're a ballot counter do you think there's not at least two other people watching everything your doing? How do you erease a ballot or a significant number of them and not get caught? ruclips.net/video/w3_0x6oaDmI/видео.html
@Enzo DiMasi Yes they can, but that absolutely should not be an issue after you drop your ballot in the sealed box, if it is how else are the counters messing with ballots and not being caught? Fix your bad counting procedure.
You absolutely never ever trust in an election, there should be observers from all parties watching the ballot counters. No one or two people should ever be left alone with ballots.
So, how does a ballot counter erease a ballot and not get caught?
What do they do with the ereased ballot?
Can you even erease the mark on the thin news print paper ballot without leaving a trace of the original mark or your attempt to erease it?
On the other hand someone changes out the pen for one that has disappearing ink,
you believe you cast your ballot but all a ballot counter will see is a blank spoiled ballot.
Who thought using voting machines for an actual national election was a good idea?
The Democrats.
voting machines maker
You guys built the world's most expensive pencil.
you mean the one that astronauts use while out in space?
www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html
. . .and it doesn't work.
Its cool to see two people who could be fighting on twitter come together to make voting better for Americans.
Who are you talking about?
www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html
Having paper ballots is one way to secure integrity. But what you missed was that 4 states didnt make it necessary to validate signatures on mail in ballots. Anyone can send in a ballot with a fake signature. Also, the dominion voting machines were connected to the internet, another reason why our voting system is vulnerable. After investigating the data from the machines, the information was being sent to canada and then returned to america. A lot can happen and access to machines and hard drives can dramtically reduce security.
In the UK we literally just cross a box with a X and put it in a box. why does America have to be so difficult
We're different
In all normal countries they do like this
In US we would argue about the correct form of the X.
If only there were an open source, decentralized system that is transparent and proven to be not hackable...
Blockchain?
@@wt6092 best is EVM+VVPAT of India, Simple counter based machine count votes and slip is printed. Voters cam see symbol printing and going into box.
Billions of vote counted in 7-8 hrs on result day. right now Slips are randomly matched but candidate can ask to match all slips if they don't trust machine.
few hours before voting starts any party representatives on each booth can test machine.
They could use the Brazilian voting machine
I know, it seems like the technology exists to transfer billions of dollars safely by citizens every day in the US. If banks can do it, there's no good reason why it couldn't be done. Biometrics, PIN number, blockchain etc.
That sounds nice. I'm guessing you have not taken a course that covers proof of computer program correctness. That proof is a cousin to a unicorn. And forget about "blockchain". That's just a different rainbow chase.
Twitter and Facebook is interfering in this year's
@Don Christiano your joking and trolling right?
Lol
@Don Christiano you have to be deaf dumb and blind not to see it
@Don Christiano blatant censorship maybe........
You mistyped Fox News and NYPost
The two party system is inefficient.
agree
Uh it's highly efficient. Just very very corrupt and not very democratic.
@@brianlevine249 we live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Read some Aristotle.
It’s inefficient because it incites and encourages division and disdain on both sides
You can vote for whoever you want. Everyone needs to remember politics are local.
Journalists at the New York Times are really doing the work, this year in particular. Well worth the subscription.
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1:56 that keyboard tho
Yeah ikr
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This is bull crap, there’s never been a time when things could be more suspect. Wake up!
Imagine having this messy system and still brag itselt like the greatest democracy in the world
www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html
In Canada we have a paper ballot with the candidates and party affiliation and a circle by each name.
You put an X in the circle next to the name of the candidate of your choice. You fold the ballot and deposit it in a box. No computers. We've done it this way for a 150 years. It works.
I voted by mail. I don’t understand why it was even complicated issue.
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I vote in two countries. One is a "developed"country (France), the other is a "developing" country (Argentina).
In both we vote by putting a ballot inside an envelope inside a sealed box. Very High tech.
Then the ballot get counted in front of representatives of every party.
In both countries we get our results overnight.
How can you vote in two countries?? do you have duel citizenship?
@@mayankkumar4161 Yup.
America: Voting is a rocket science.
India: LOL, we have EBMs on camels. We'll come TO YOU for YOUR vote.
All I’m sayin is come back with this same energy if the person who we all know y’all don’t want to win, wins
In the UK I have never waited more than 30 seconds to vote and have always marked an X with pencil
Everything in the UK involves paper and all you need to do is put a mark next to your candidate, we never have systemic failures with elections. America confuses me with why everything has to be so complicated and partizan.
Actually have no idea about this situation
@Somarik GreenReports from the Electoral Commission point out what is being done to combat instances of voter fraud. I have linked the report below instances of voter fraud. I have linked the report below.
www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Electoral-fraud-review-final-report.pdf
Additionally, new legislative changes are being introduced such as individual registration and Voter ID trails at the 2018 local elections.
Moreover, my original point is that despite having elections ran by local authorities, national oversight and standards mean that the result of elections are negligibly disputed or litigious in comparison with the US. With minimal, if any barriers to a vast majority of voters voting, for an analogy the longest queue I have ever been in to vote was the 2016 PCC elections was 3 minutes when my parents came with me. I apologise for the confusion caused.
@Somarik Green In 2019, there were 592 cases of alleged electoral fraud in the UK - only 3 of the subsequent investigations returned a conviction. 1 was for false information on a nomination paper (not due to issues with paper ballots), another was for grabbing a ballot box after being told they were not eligible to vote (a hissy fit, again not a result of paper ballots) and the final 1 was for voting twice, using his son's name. Not one of those convictions is a consequence of paper ballots - all instances could have occurred if we used an electronic system. You are categorically wrong about the state of voter fraud - yes, for as long as there has been voting there have been minor instances of fraud but not on a large scale.
A secure election doesn't mean anything if the system is broken.
10:23 - Those are Polish elections shown there, it's an old Polish ID card the person's holding
this is comforting in a time when the news is really scary. hope you are right!
“My thrill was a little bit tempered by the frustration of knowing they could have done it years before”.
You and me both sister. My fifth grade class predicted what happened in the 2016 election, in 2001. A DRE machine was demonstrated to the class, because the state was considering purchasing them. Much to the chagrin of those presenting the machines, virtually every kid in the state said it was dumb. The then governor got letters from many different schools urging him not to purchase DRE machines. Fortunately, he had the intelligence and the humility to listen to that advice even though it came from children. But if only every governor had been the same. If only every fifth grade class had been by their teacher to be so engaged.
India introduced VVPAT systems state wide since 2017 and nationally since 2019. Seems to be working fine.
2016 - *russia actually gains access to our voting network
Trump: “seems legit”
2020 - the most secure election in us history
Trump: “ F R A U D “
How can you say your vote is secure without a voter’s ID? Anyone can just walk in and vote without a photo ID. That’s ridiculous...
Because you already have to have a photo ID to register to vote and you can't vote if you're not registered. The notion that requiring ID at the ballot box would increase the integrity is nothing more than propaganda to justify voter suppression as what voter ID laws do is specifically target the types of ID commonly used by underprivileged individuals and makes it so those types of ID can't be used for voting purposes. Its like the literacy tests. Sure, it sounds nice that uninformed individuals can't vote, but the reality is that the literacy tests didn't test literacy at all and were just a veil to prevent black people from voting. The questions they asked on literacy tests didn't have a "correct" option. The questions were incomprehensible because the purpose wasn't to test literacy. It was to stop black people from voting.
@Ray _ that’s ridiculous everyone knowing my name and address can go and vote under my name.
@Ray _ I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that voter ID laws specifically target the types of ID that African Americans commonly have and makes it so those forms of ID cannot be used to vote. Its not about "black people being too stupid" thats an insane set of words to shove down my my mouth; its about the fact that the ID laws target African Americans, when African Americans get the new ID required to vote the ID laws get changed to make that form of ID illegal. I drew the comparison between the literacy tests because both are forms of voter suppression that have deceptive names. Just like literacy tests didn't actually test literacy, voter ID laws aren't actually about requiring photo ID.
@@Cdictator that's not true. In every single state I know when you register to vote you are required to provide ID. When you register to vote should be the only time you're required to give an ID. When you go to the polls requiring ID is pointless because when you register to vote you get a card that confirms you are registered to vote. If they genuinely cared about election integrity like they claim then all you would require is your voter registration card that gets issued to you when you register to vote. But that's not what its about which is precisely why states with voter ID laws don't consider voter registration cards as a proper form of ID to vote.
@Enzo DiMasi there is no signature needed either to get the ballot or submitted the ballot. I literally just walked in and tell them my name and address then they give me the ballot. Literally anyone knowing my name and address can vote under my name. I don’t see how a photo id will suppress vote. ID card is cheap, they can just print it out for you on the day you register.
this reminds me of my dream to have a paper backup of the binaries of my files in my computer because paper seems to survive longer than hard drives and ssd.
You've spent the last 4 years establishing that voting wasn't secure. The last presidential and latest campaign as well. Bush vs Al Gore. A decade and some change and we're still having issue.
And the moment Trump wins again The New York Times will be telling us that Russia and China hacked the election and telling us how the election is illegitimate and they will contest the results.
Americans make voting way to complicated. It really isn't hard
Voting is not complicated, the technology is. The electoral collage is there to verify the decision made by the people
Fact check: False
You really watched a 13 minute video with primary sources and thought "this is false, i know better than the New York Times"?
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NYT owner isn't even American.
@Benjamin Britten try harder bot, it's already debunked
True patriots. Admitted there were some issues, acknowledged those issues, and came together to fight and tackle those issues.
Doesn't talk about the fact that people could have their vote thrown away, even if its on paper.
What a stupid point
It's a lot easier to destroy one machine with hundreds of votes than throw the same number of ballots in the garbage
In india, we have 100% electrical voting, which is controlled by the Election Commission of India(ECI).
When you vote a slip is printed which says which candidate you voted for. You, the voter, can see the slip but it cant be touched by humans as it goes straight into a box. So if after the elections if someone raises questions about malpractice in voting, the slips are cross verified.
You guys shd try this out.
Follow the NK method 🇰🇵
I am supremely impressed by the production quality of this video
The editing is giving me a headache, its like Vox on speed
THIS is exactly why we need a public and distributed ledger that can securely record the votes of verified individuals... a blockchain based voting system is the answer.
This is an online and work from home job the working hours are flexible and you can chose to work from anywhere of your choice,the pay is $45per hour training is $25per hour and you will be getting payed bi weekly
Love the editing style of this video. Hope the NYT keeps it up.
Cold take.
Also how was that “one of the most successful intelligence operations in modern history” if, as claimed in the video, they didn’t find any evidence?
Use PAPER and INK ballots. Then, drop it off at the polling location.
The first step was to get you to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman.
CORRECT!
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The left needed to manufacture a crisis to push for mass mail in voting. Yes, covid is a bad virus. Yes, people have died. H1N1 killed 80,000 people last year in USA. Yet no lock downs. Not many people even know that more kids died of H1N1 in the first 5 months than have of covid in 10 months. Yet no schools closed. H1N1 came out in 2009. 10 years later it’s still here and yet no one ever blamed Obama. Not one person.
In a cdc conference in late October 2009 Dr Fauci said you can’t stop a virus anymore than you can stop the earth from shaking during an earthquake. Yet now it’s “we must close down and stop it!” Start back dating research on the CDC and news articles- look how differently H1N1 was talked about. Despite it killing more people under 45 years old. Covid is here to stay, we have to learn how to adapt and treat it. If the left & cdc will now allow the people to know of all the available treatments since elections are over....
#WhereisHunter
smoking or snorting something somewhere
If you want a human readable paper trail, why not just skip the expensive machines altogether and just use a paper ballot and a pen? Why use all these machines in the first place?
My county uses hand marked paper ballots, but we also need a digital ballot marking device (ExpressVote) for people with disabilities.
That fact that this segment started by declaring "The Russians!" makes me highly skeptical of the entire story.
They were repeating the accusations of others and after that they explicitly said there is no proof but and that but is the important part.
All covered in the Muller report.
I find that suspicious, too. But electronic voting machines are, in fact, very insecure. Especially if they are old. I'm also referring to Tom Scott here: ruclips.net/video/LkH2r-sNjQs/видео.html
@Rusty Shackleford hard to take someone seriously with a username of an alias of a conspiracy theorist. Good show though.
How come no silicon valley startup created a voting app for smartphones that uses 3-way authentification of the voter. 1- email login, 2- biometric (fingerprint & face ID), 3 SMS verification (ala banks). Once the voter passes all three authentication barriers the vote is cast and automatic email trail is created and sent to the voters email, also a PDF trail that can be downloaded and printed right from the smartphone.
This didn’t age well at all
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It aged so well 🥰 #dumptrump
Software being open source should be a standard for all voting software. We should be able to know how the program operates.
Can’t wait to come back to this video and laugh at y’alls lies.
I don't really understand why these voting machines were purchased in the first place.
How often does the active US citizen vote on any level - once or twice a year?
Is it really cost efficient to buy equipment that is used so rarely but will need to be replaced every couple of years?
It would be a lot cheaper and safer to use machine legible ballot forms and have them read and counted by machines that could be rented for the occasion at a fairly low cost.
OCR is decades old and good enough to scan and read contract forms - so telling a checked box from an unchecked one is the easiest thing...
All of the comments attacking this video seem to have awkward grammar... Hmm..
Hmmm true
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@@martinezsandra8736 mate you are in a wrong comment
It's so astonishing how many people have differing opinions on this election and it's outcome.
So its the most secure when people vote in person. Id also point out I'm guessing no one at the NYT has watch "Man of the Year".
This was a good video 👍🏼
When you are going to cheat you have to advertise that is is most secure.
VOTE IN PERSON. Demand a RECEIPT. Verify or Refuse to comply !
Propaganda at its finest!!!!!
Yes from the White House. Very dangerous
paper voting is the best system, some things aren't better digitised
It better be. VOTE!
100% Totally legit.
We have machines that print paper ballots in my part of Texas.
Yes, experts say that we need to use more machines that have a paper based validation possibility. Then you don't need people to go through all ballots but instead just check for errors.
AWESOME TOPIC and TIMELY. Well maybe it would've been better if this video came out 4-6 months ago. THANKS for covering this big question for most of the US population.
Don’t mind me, just here for the comments
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Just use pencil and paper. Like most European countries. You can't hack a piece of paper or a pencil.
Evidence says otherwise.
Travis County has done a fantastic job with this year’s elections. Not only are the new voting machines intuitive and secured by a paper trail, but we’ve also registered 97% of eligible voting-age adults. Thanks Dana!
Hope y'all having a good day🙌
Btw. I'm a small youtuber 😭
I couldn't find any job due covid, so I made a youtube channel lol😅
Why don't they just have the DRE's not be hooked up to the Internet? Only allow them to sync with other voting machines within the same county, using a LAN, rather than an Internet connection? Then, county officials can certify the election results, send in ONE paper ballot per county to the state SoS, and have them tally all the votes?
Then the Russians can't tap into the voting machines, not if those voting machines aren't connected to the Internet.
Literally the 1% people who reading. May your family 👨👩👧👦Live more than 100 year with good health #💖💖💖.........
Well, this video hasn't aged well in just 48 hours given what the Director of National Intelligence and FBI Director just said. The security of the voting machines don't matter if other countries could possibly tamper with who is registered in the first place.
“Our non biased, non payed experts!”
So if they're saying the election is very secure this year, would that be a complement to Trump admin because they're in charge.
BREAKING: The FBI has asked Tony Bobulinski for an interview this morning ! BIG GUY gets no 10% anymore - BURISMAGATE !!!
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The left needed to manufacture a crisis to push for mass mail in voting. Yes, covid is a bad virus. Yes, people have died. H1N1 killed 80,000 people last year in USA. Yet no lock downs. Not many people even know that more kids died of H1N1 in the first 5 months than have of covid in 10 months. Yet no schools closed. H1N1 came out in 2009. 10 years later it’s still here and yet no one ever blamed Obama. Not one person.
In a cdc conference in late October 2009 Dr Fauci said you can’t stop a virus anymore than you can stop the earth from shaking during an earthquake. Yet now it’s “we must close down and stop it!” Start back dating research on the CDC and news articles- look how differently H1N1 was talked about. Despite it killing more people under 45 years old. Covid is here to stay, we have to learn how to adapt and treat it. If the left & cdc will now allow the people to know of all the available treatments since elections are over....
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Go blue wave
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Thats not what the news was saying a year ago.
Hilarious lies
Countries like the US are lucky that authorities take these matters seriously. Meanwhile, in some countries, they count votes using the same old and vulnerable machines from 2010 that weren't even updated for the next election. Unsurprisingly, it resulted to manipulation of vote counts.
Voting sucks
No it doesnt no matter who vote exercise your right
Not voting sucks even more
It's a fact trump cares more about the New York times more than any other papers opinion.
Amazing accomplishment to go from openly doubted to "most secrue". January 2020, the CEOs of the three companies that produce over 80 percent of voting machines in the U.S. - Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic - were grilled by members of Congress over the question of security at the ballot box. No one was so certain at that time. THEN in the midst of a pandemic, people locked down, all the same machines in place, it MIRACULOUSLY transforms into ULTIMATE SECURITY. Some claim to believe, but they also don't want to make sure with a recount, so we know how confident they are...no more than the rest of us. FAKE CLAIM.
Just voted here in Travis county! I enjoyed the voting machine but I had no idea Dana made it herself!
I think we should:
Make it law that every mentally capable citizen of the USA is required to vote or face a ticket fine, maybe $100.
Then require whoever is in charge of state IDs for those living in a state to be in charge of taking the votes and keeping track of them, linking votes to the IDs. This would typically be a DMV. For those living out of country it would fall to whoever is the most local authority for their ID, maybe the nearest US Embassy.
By keeping track of what each person votes connected to their ID it will be possible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt for virtually all cases who voted what. However, for privacy of vote only certain bureaucrats tasked with keeping track of voting could access that information and it could be made a more serious offense if the privacy of an individuals voting is unlawfully from access these records, an offense which can range from a strong civil to an actual criminal charge depending upon the severity. For checking votes a non-partisan or bipartisan group of such bureaucrats would then be able to investigate any claims of fraud.
Then, make all votes open for voting for a full month or maybe even two months, thus there is no excuse for not finding time to get to a DMV and vote, especially if voting is allowed through the Internet and each individual could access their vote on the Internet to confirm what their voting record shows.
Its so weird to watch this video as an estonian (small country below finland next to russia) as we have been voting online since 2005. But i understand that most of it boils down to the trust and reliability in the voting system and we are lucky, bcus as a highly digitalised country we trust our online system but we know that if we do not trust it you still have a choise to vote in person on pen and paper. The best of both worlds. (As a fun fact over 40% of the votes in the latest estonian elecrion were online votes)
Dominion Software was rejected by Texas Secretary of State on advice of IT analysts who showed that ballot counting machines could EASILY be compromised. This is a FACT. This election has the LOWEST confidence amongst electorate due to fraud allegations amongst swing states. A significant number of affidavits have been signed alleging SERIOUS election irregularities as well as Dominion Software misuse and "glitches". USPS Whistleblower stands by his statement that mall-in ballots were cured and back-dated instead of being rejected despite false media reports that he recanted his statement which he has not. There will be a full audit of states that have had serious allegations made starting with Georgia. If you did some real reporting you would uncover the truth that the election is being stolen.
The only thing that was stolen was from you... 30 IQ points.
Its easier to be corrupt when the only burden is on a few private companies (Dominion) who refuse audits, etc. They can't nearly as easily refuse subpoenas if its a Gov't agency controlling the systems.
Why don't you use just a simple chemical pencil and a printed paper in US? You mark the paper, flip it over, put it in an official cardboard boxes, and (volunteering) poll watchers can open it only in front of the police at the end of elections. You can't rub or dissolve or hack the pencil sign, nor see it through the paper: so it's super safe AND CHEAP! In Italy, the election machinery (polling stations, police, etc...) cost us no less than 400 million euros - and we already think is too much! Why does US even spends money on buying machines invented and produced by privates for the very backbone act of a democracy?
Did anyone notice that funky keyboard at 1:57? What is that? Anyone who knows the manufacturer of that, please post!
kinesis advantage, a very popular keyboard among software engineers
@@SlavaKim Thank you so much!
They should use secure encrypted internet voting. You can print out your own ballot choice. If you trust online banking why not online voting. Get rid of all these voting machines.
Most secure in history? You’re title is laughable 🤣😂. Secured for the democratic win, maybe...