Skyrim - The Empire WILL FAIL! - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Skyrim video we discuss the eventual and somewhat inevitable fall of the Imperial Empire that would take place after the events of Skyrim.
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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Just to throw it out there, regarding any "The emperor's death will rally the empire against the Thalmor" arguments. People are aware that it was the Dark Brotherhood that committed the assassination; shown through the guard dialogue.
"You hear the news? The Emperor has been murdered! Right here, in Skyrim. By the gods, if the Dark Brotherhood can do that, nobody's safe..." and "By the gods. The Emperor's been murdered. On his own ship... moored in the inlet. It was... the Dark Brotherhood. There was nothing we could do..."
FudgeMuppet I bleed imperial so I wiped out the Dark Brotherhood. Also I really love your builds. I just finished the centurtion build. Keep up the good work!
Thanks man, appreciate it :D
But what if the dragon born became Emp?
FudgeMuppet what if the dragon born was made emperor
His death may lead to the rise of another lead that will rally against the Thalmor, since Titus Mede II was quite unpopular. That's also part of why he's been assassinated. But like most of this video its mostly speculation, to many unknow variables.
Solution: The Dragonborn takes the throne, becoming the first Dragon Emperor since Tiber Septim, reinvigorating the worship of Talos, many seeing the Dragonborn as a reincarnation of Talos come to save the Empire. Empire gets its stable government, Nords get their tradition. Even the Thalmor would hesitate to mess with a guy that slapped the World Eater.
I wish that you had that option in the game.
That's my head canon.
Fuck no. LDB vanishes into Apocrypha and the Dominion successfully annex the Human provinces, while inside revolts kill off the Thalmor, leading to an Elven Empire. Bam, everybody is happy, except the Humans, but who cares, right?
that was a part of what i also thought yea and who know if the last dragonborn can join forces with the nords, redguards and argonians they might have the power to indeed overthrow the thalmor
goldendon The Argonians have literally no reason to go against the Dominion, and the Redguards kind of hate the Nords due to Skyrim invading Hammerfell several times.
They should put Nazeem in Elder Scrolls 6 as an old beggar
Do you get to the begger district very often? Oh what am i saying of course you dont.
He sleeps in an arrow shop
Yes!!
Seeing how his wife is annoyed with him, it’d be safe to assume she left and took everything leaving him with nothing.
Solution for Nazeem: Black Soul Gem and Soul Trap. Get a pair of Fur Boots. Enchant the Fur Boots to have Resist Frost and Fortify Stamina Regen. Call them "Comfy Boots." Give the boots to your spouse and make him/her wear them.
"The Blades owe their allegiance to the Dragonborn" yeah at least until you tell them the redeemed dragon shouldn't die...
delphine fr think she can tell the dragonborn what to do with her yeeyee ass broken faction
I wish attacking the blades was an option
@@FallicIdol for real they're so petty and stupid in Skyrim. It should've been a faction you should have led and rebuilt instead of staying as the two douchebags who want you to kill the only human friendly dragon
@@bringurownvibe Seriously. I loved the blades in oblivion. I thought they were badass and loyal. Always treating Martin and Uriel with respect. But in Skyrim? They treat you like some errand boy who doesn't mean anything. Fuck them.
Redeemed is a strong word. He's still enforcing a tyrannical lifestyle on his fellow dragons (Way of the Voice).
Season unending is an Old nord saying meaning people will allways wage war against each other. As in as soon the civil war is over another war will begin and so on.
In a way I see it as similar to Fallouts "War, war never changes" prologue/saying.
It's a reflection on human nature.
@nathan smith Like what?
nathan smith I’m interested in hearing what as well, but I also think he is wrong here since IIRC there is a major force moving up to Skyrim as the events take place, so even if the Dragonborn chooses no side, the rebellion would be quelled quickly.
nathan smith well... answer it’s been months already
@@melontalks9294 Love how ppl go and puke their crap, then nver came to back to sustain what they said.
the reason it is called "season unending" is because the ancient Nordic word for war translates to "season unending" (you find this out after talking to Arngeir during the quest)
Evgir Unslaad
This video hasn’t taken into consideration that the Thalmor and Empire lost about the same amount of men. Elves take a lot longer to age, thus taking longer for the Dominion to recover.
Thalmor took 0% homefront damage, and not even old Tiber could take them on without his megazord.
@@Tomatowormprince Thalmor lost 100k solders when Empire took back White-Gold Tower and the city.
@@jkgf4671 Empire lost just as many, which is why they sued for peace and accepted the Dominion's original demands, and gave up hammerfell.
@@Tomatowormprince But Empire will get troops a lot faster. Humans age faster so they will be ready to fight. Elves and Khajit takes a lot more time before they are ready.
Also they did not gave up Hammerfell. It was Empire and Hammerfell troops that fight off Thalmor attack on Hammerfell.
Hammerfell leave Empire because a treaty with Aldmeri Dominium.
But since Emperor that signed it is assassinated in Skyrim Hammerfell might join again. And since Hammerfell is gonna fight Thalmor they will most likely join Empire at least in fights against Thalmor and in time they might join Empire as one of the provinces.
About situation in Skyrim if Dragonborn wont interfere Empire most likely would won. Since they have better equipment, better training and great general. General Tulius is a godlike general. He managed (if i recall correctly) in few weeks to capture Ulfrick and was gonna end this whole conflict. Since Ulfrick cant even protect himself from being captured i don't see him being able to win war against Tulius. NO ONE in Skyrim is nearly as good as a general as Tulius.
@@jkgf4671 Khajiit reach maturity faster than humans, I don't know where you got the idea that they age slower than humans. Bosmer age about the same, and altmer just slightly longer. The empire disowned hamnerfell because they chose to keep fighting the thalmor. Pretty sure hamnerfell blames the entirety of the empire not just the emperor, if anything they'd do what Ulfric was planning on doing and simply enter an alliance with the empire and not outright join them. Ulfric chose to spare his men and be captured, and he says himself that he doesn't really like to use the thu'um in battle. He also was willing to work with empire, but as an independent entity, so he wouldn't be fighting the thalmor alone. Not only that, logistically it be pretty hard for the thalmor to invade skyrim anyway.
Season Unending ONLY occurs IF the war is not settled. Making it optional not mandatory Main Quest. I wouldn't rely so heavy on it.
DEEJMASTER 333 yea but what’s to say ulfric didn’t make a move on white run without you. In the past the faction quests have been performed by different people other then player character so one side beating the other isn’t out of the question
DEEJMASTER 333 that’s not confirmation that’s a theory with good evidence. I’m not believing anything until I hear Bethesda say what actually happens in a tweet or something or in the next game
It wasn’t until 4 years of playing the game I even knew this existed I’d always had the war settled before the dragon showdown
The first issue off the bat is that the Dragon Born is given an option ( And a rather big one ) to disclose the location of The Dark Brotherhood to Imperial authorities, with the end result being the invasion and securing of the Sanctuary by Imperial soldiers.
There was never a choice as big as this in previous Elder Scroll games. This option makes the inevitability of the Emperor's assassination a bit hazy, which means it's not clear whether the assassination will result in being Canon.
The second issue is that depending on the circumstances, "Season Unending" is not even a playable quest in the Game & the peace treaty never happens.
If it's not an *Essential* Main Quest than it's unjust to say it's Canon.
With that being said, I still think you're correct. The Empire's pillars that hold it up, it's ideologies, culture & unity is being systematically targeted by the Aldmeri Dominion under the guide of the Thalmor. Banning Talos worship would invoke unrest amongst the proud Nord's of Skyrim, resulting in a Civil War that the Thalmor hoped would result in a waste of resources & mass death.
What they would not expect is a Dragon Born to rise up & possibly side with either the Empire OR the Stormcloak Rebellion, having Dragon Blood would also make that Dragon Born a rightful heir to the Throne that is the White Gold Tower.
I think it's quite possible that a new Empire will be founded in a similar way the first was.
Also Geo-Politically speaking the Almderi Dominion actually are not in a good position to win over Tamriel.
Black marsh have essentially taken over and enslaved Morrowind & Vvardenfell, also Black Marsh is impossible to invade because of the Hist Tree atmosphere.
The Stormcloak Rebellion would 100% side with the Redguards of Hammerfell, because of their positioning they could successfully invade and free High Rock of Imperial control together.
Leaving Elsweyr, Valenwood & Cyrodiil on the table.
We know from the Lore that the Woodelves of Valen Wood historically despised the Aldmeri Dominion, because outsiders had no respect for the plants & trees of Valenwood.
It's safe to assume a conflict is possible between the Woodelves & the Khajiit with assistance from Black Marsh.
The Key question here is what side are the Argonians on? From their Enslaving of the Dark Elves I can't imagine their fond of Mir, but their also no fan of The Empire.
Regardless, all this build up is definitely going to result in a truly amazing Elder Scrolls VI.
Great video, I hope this was food for thought! Please don't hesitate in discussing anything I've said, I love having intelligible debates on topics I enjoy! :)
The Dangleberries I disagree about the Dragonborn being eligible for the imperial throne and others have taken over. Firstly, that dynasty is over. Secondly, being Dragonborn has nothing to do with being a member of a particular bloodline. It may or may not be genetic, but I doubt only Tiber Septim's bloodline was Dragonborn.
How are Skyrim and Hammerfell even going to form an alliance, let alone liberate High Rock, with Cyrodil blocking them off from each other? The best thing for Skyrim, and for the fall of the Aldmeri Dominion, is the Empire.
The Dangleberries I can be surprised but for fan reasons do you REALLY think the dark brotherhood will be destroyed permanently? Nobody will want to remake them under whats his face the jester guy lol and a dead corpse that he's obsessed with, that option was probably just to give more to the mystery on how the story will pan out to be in the future, but it shouldn't even be a wuestion to whether theyd get rid of the dark brotherhood forever, some people would be pissed
I remember hearing something about lore where the protagonist of each game basically can get every outcome. Amazingly Bethesda worked in the SAVE feature as part of the lore. So maybe the reason why all of this had happened coulda' been a huge glitch on the part of the gods' chosen's save collapsing in on them selves, and essentially making 1 universe outta' a multiverse.
@Zach Campbell I remember saying the same thing about another guild... I wonder how the mages guild is doing about now. Elder scrolls has killed of factions before. That said, the dark brotherhood in skyrim is isolated from the rest of the the guild. Its very likely that its just a setback and in time the dark brotherhood will return to skyrim if that choice is cannon.
Scenario number 4 the EU bans memes so the Lusty Argonian maid becomes illegal so nazeem forced never nut again and gains god-like powers and destroys all of nirn
asjkiea12 i just spat out my drink
NATO bans memes and all this random internet bullshit goes away forever; we all eventually return to being rational, functional individuals, and everyone gets better at driving overnight.
I couldn’t stop laughing at this.
Wasn't this like the plot to C0DA or something?
@@Gh0StF1sHy shame on you for using rational thoughts. 😁
The Third Aldmeri Dominion might collapse from the inside. They didn't just agree with Valenwood they pretty much conquered it threw the empire out and killed all the wood elves who would not accept Thalmor rule. Then they lie to the Khajiit by claiming they had returned the Moons following the Void Nights. My hope is the Khajiits learn the truth, and the rest of Valenwood wakes up and rebels from the inside. Even Malborn mentions how they are 'cleansing' Valenwood. But who knows...
AviOptimal doubtful
About Khajits it could be true. I mean when youre helping Malborn in Windhelm getting rid of that assasin sent after him, when youre talking to Ma'dran, he's saying " Thalmor filth eh? Giving all the Khajits a bad name". That would suggest that at least part of them "dislike" Elves. This could evolve in something more. Just my thoughts.
Vahn Solidor if anyones crumbling its the empire long live the thalmor
But of course, after all this topic is about the Empire crumbling. And i also think that it wont last. After all, when there are troubles they're focused on protecting their own asses and not other provinces ( for example during Oblivion Crisis). I simply think that Dominion will also lose influence. As i've said Khajits arent fond of Altmers and i doubt that Bosmers would endure their rule long, you know, those purges and stuff. It can finally piss them off and provoke a rebellion. Most likely during or just after 2nd Great War which im not totally sure Thalmor will win.
Also i dont believe that Dragonborn would become an Emperor. According to Elder Scroll prophecy he is the LAST Dragonborn. Technically he shouldnt be able to start a bloodline of next rulers ( hes sterile or what? ).
while watching this video i was digging at list of roman emperors that were assassinated one guy immediately draw my attention tacitus his name sounded very closely to titus he was a bearded and with short hair just like titus after the emperor were succeeded by another guy and i think a decade later the roman were divide in eastern and western and the years that follow the empire were divided in many emperors and the empire began to fall with the rise of the huns, goths, franks lombards vandals etc but it took two century more to fall
The Imperial Empire? That's like saying Federal Federation.
I think it should be called the Cyrodilic Empire.
@@redblueproductions9739
Its actualy called the Empire of Tamriel or the Tamrielic Empire.
Septim and/or Mede Empire
@@teyrncousland7152 not anymore, it no longer encompasses all of tamriel. Cyrodillic is more accurate
@@redblueproductions9739
True but is is still called the Empire of Tamriel. Empires and countries do not change names according to the lands they occupy.
“An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again, but one which crumbles from within, is dead. Forever.”
Excellent Captain America civil war reference 👏
The Aldmeri Dominion is not as strong as it likes to pretend that it is.
The Empire won the final battle of the Great War and annihilated the forces of the elves inside the Imperial City. They hung the body of the elf general from the White Gold Tower.
The best most experienced, well lead, and well equipped troops of the Thalmor had been crushed by Imperial and Nordic legions.
In Hammerfell the Thalmor were being pushed back by the Redguards. Even when the Thalmor attempted to annex Hammerfell after the war they failed and the Redguards maintained their independence defeating the militarily weakened Aldmeri Dominion.
The elves live a long time, but their population doesn't seem to be that much higher than the population of humans. This would lead me to believe that their birth rate is quite low. Therefore their military manpower is limited. Adding to this that we never see any Wood Elf or Khajit Aldmeri soldiers. This means that the Aldmeri Dominion composes it's military entirely of High Elves meaning that they are not using at least 2/3's of the available manpower in their realm. This is probably because they do not trust those populations and are oppressing and exploiting them.
Losing their elite troops in the Imperial City was a serious blow that the Thalmor won't recover from for several hundred years because they insist on using only High Elves for their military. They may be able to exert more political control and pressure over a weakened Empire, but if the Empire wins in Skyrim then the elves simply do not have the numbers of troops to launch another invasion. Especially considering again the fact that they couldn't even take an isolated Hammerfell.
Even with a greater intelligence capability than the Empire all those spies mean nothing if you can't take advantage of the information with military force. The Aldmeri Dominion puts on a fine show, but they are simply too weak to risk another war with the Empire any time soon. Which is exactly why they want the war in Skyrim to continue.
If the war in Skyrim ends in an Imperial victory the Empire will likely recover. The population and economy will rebound, and the relatively short lived humans will achieve political stability before the Aldmeri have enough population to field another significant invasion force.
If the war in Skyrim ends in a Stormcloak victory High Rock will break away from the Empire too. With only Cyrodil remaining the Aldmeri still can't invade because they are too weak. This is why they don't want the Stormcloaks to win, because if they do win and the elves don't invade Cyrodil it will expose the internal weakness and instability of the Aldmeri Dominion. Not invading after the Stormcloaks win would be like admitting that the Aldmeri Dominion is a paper tiger leading to uncontrollable unrest and rebellion in Valenwood and Elsweyr as the populations realize that the Thalmor are not as strong as they pretend to be.
However, if the Aldmeri Dominion does invade and loses too many troops which is a significant possibility. Then, even if they do win they won't have enough remaining military strength to continue suppressing local unrest in Valenwood and Elsweyr never-mind the newly annexed Cyrodil which would still be rife with unrest.
To be honest, the fact that the Emperor signed the White Gold Concordat after winning the biggest battle of the war and retaking the Imperial City simply boggles the mind. However, it seems pretty clear that the civil war in Skyrim was engineered not simply to drain the resources of the Empire but to distract public attention from the weakened state of the Thalmor's military forces.
This is why the Thalmor are so aggressive and operate so freely within the Empire's borders. They need to keep up the illusion that they are strong in order to maintain their power. It's classic Sun Tzu: - All warfare is based on deception. When you are strong appear as though weak. When you are weak appear as though strong. When you are near make it seem as though you are far away. When you are far away feign that you are nearby.
THIS ^^^ The Aldmeri's biggest strength have always been in sabotage and bluster. They didn't crush the Empire so much as maintained enough of a poker face to make the Empire fold first.
If anything, this just highlights what a disastrous idiot Titus Mede II was. He won and could have restored true peace but instead did the dumbest thing imaginable to the point where i'm surprised that the Empire even has provinces still loyal purely based on how outraged and pissed off everyone should be at his blunder. It's weird that every province didn't react like Hammerfell and succeed out of spite.
There's a theory that I think Camel did where Titus Mede II contacted the Dark Brotherhood and put the assassination order on himself. It plays in well with what you've said joshua.
He couldn't restore peace yet. The Aldmeri were weak, but the Empire was also weakened. Had Ulfric not killed that high king (a high king that might have been loyal to Ulfric's cause to begin with) and started that civil war, the Empire might have gained enough strength to crush the Aldmeri.
foxymetroid i agree the face that Ulfric killed the High King before Even asking him to disband form the Empire shows that Ulfric didnt just do it for skyirm But also to become High King
Wait till pigs fly? I think the wabbajack can solve that
Phantom Dedestroyer lol
Sheogorath is like "Mortals waiting for pigs to fly? Hah, hold my cheese..."
Анатолий Шпалин I'll do it once I'm done doing the fishstick.
It's a very delicate state of mind.
@@efvyc Makes you wonder if Sheo might get involved or take interest since he was the Champion of Cyrodil.
1) Ulfric being an uncooperative Thalmor asset doesn’t mean he’s a Thalmor puppet. During the Soviet-Afghan war, the Taliban were American “assets.” How’d that work out for us?
2) Tullius says at some point that Cyrodiil thinks of the Skyrim civil war as a sideshow. The Legion in Skyrim is just one of many Imperial Legions, most of which are on the border with the Aldmeri Dominion. If the Stormcloaks defeat the Legion in Skyrim, the Empire can just send more.
3) The Emperor was calm in the face of death. Motierre thinks the Emperor’s death will strengthen the Empire and save Tamriel. Titus Mede II is an old man. Even if he doesn’t have any heirs, it’s hard to believe he doesn’t have arrangements for what happens after he dies.
Just some things to consider.
BeefyLevinson 1 - technically the US supported the muhjadeen. Taliban are a splinter faction that later rose to power, but I agree with your sentiment. 2 - I would point out that America gained its independence because fighting an insurrection is a costly endeavor. The Empire cannot afford to keep sending legions, but sure it’s possible they might. 3 - intriguing, makes sense, especially since he is so willing to die.
1) Pretty much.
2) Ulfric plans on negotiating with the empire if he wins, which I feel the empire would be inclined to accept his request, not, it's either skyrim is weak or the border with the dominion is weak.
3) He's sure taking a gamble and he doesn't have the best track record on his gambles to begin with. Maybe the person who replaces him is better, maybe they aren't. Fact of the matter is moral is going to take quite the hit. Devastating war, loss of territory, loss of god, and then finally loss of leadership.
1) Ulfric being an uncooperative Thalmor asset doesn’t mean he’s a Thalmor puppet. During the Soviet-Afghan war, the Taliban were American “assets.” How’d that work out for us?
Uhh.... Russia was kicked out of Afghanistan? LOL
2) While the Empire definitely have a significant advantage in military power in the short term (long term is impossible to predict, with current info), it's hard to say if they could "just send more". The Empire also have the border in Cyrodiil to consider, which is the reason Tullius gives if asked during the Season Unending quest why he doesn't receive reinforcements. The generic Legates will also tell you the Legion is stretched thin and dependent on local recruits to combat the Stormcloaks. Maybe I'm crazy, but if they had any troops to spare, it seems to me that sending them in to win a swift and decisive victory while you have both a significant foothold and political legitimacy in Skyrim would be a much better solution than waiting until you have no foothold, little to no political legitimacy and the Emperor's "go to" General for solving problems is dead.
3) Titus Mede II seemed to have accepted his fate, yes. And, given his age, there is likely some sort of succession planned. The problems come with the fact that we have someone on the Elder Council assassinating the Emperor because of his policies. It might turn out for the better, but it is rarely a good sign when the Emperor's own nobility kills them off.
Motierre says we served the Empire by killing Titus Mede II and he might be right. Then we have to consider what we actually know about Motierre and the rest of the Elder Council, not to mention the Imperial family. Which is next to nothing. We don't know the allegiances Motierre has, we don't know who will succeed Titus Mede II and we don't know if, assuming Motierre is sincere about his motives, he actually has the political support to get it done. Even if Motierre and his plans would have benefited the Empire, which I am perfectly happy to grant for the sake of the argument, we don't have any assurance against a Cyrodilic civil war breaking out. Given that there are nobles like Erikur and Elisif that take a positive view of the Thalmor in Skyrim, it's a real danger that there are those in Cyrodiil too, ready to fuck up Motierre's plans.
Personally, I don't think it either the Stormcloaks or the Empire are in any way good choices; they're highly flawed choices with their own set of wild cards that can completely screw everything up. The only thing we can know for certain is that the Thalmor doesn't want either of them to win the Skyrim civil war, so pick your vial and hope it isn't poison.
@@ayylmao2190 And how friendly are the Taliban towards the US now that the mutual enemy has been defeated?
Sorry I would help but as a member of the companions I'm not allowed to be involved into politics
"Looks at wuthrad sadly"
If you're the Harbinger, noone's telling you you can't get involved in Politics. Kodlak did, but he's been burned harder than a Jew in the 40's
The fact that the Companions aren't diehard Stormcloaks is completely insane to me. You can't claim to be Ysgramor's inheritor while cucking to the Thalmor. They're literally Warriors Who Don't Do War. Silly.
@@B463L However, not all of them are Nords, so fighting for the Stormcloaks would be forcing Bretons and a Dark Elf to fight against their empire that fixed their provinces time after time again. Think about it, with Daggerfall and Uriel forcing the Nerevarine prophecy, there's no reason for those provinces to fuck the empire over more than its already been by the Thalmor. Stormcloaks exist solely to aid the Thalmor anyway. To help them would be to weaken the empire, meaning the Thalmor can win the next war after the peace treaty gets voided. Elder Scrolls 6 has to create a dragon break to fix wether or not the Stormcloaks win or lose, because taking over Skyrim then losing it would be a very anticlimactic end, and would be troublesome to plot into the next game's lore when the Empire win, if they aren't fighting the next war during 6 (Peace treaty is a buffer to recuperate on the Thalmor's end and gather intel to slap them and avoid the White Gold Tower issue again). I for one am interested to see how we get to join the blades, since they're all dead or in hiding, other than in Skyrim. Perhaps you play as the LDB, or perhaps one of the Blades you induct into it post-alduins wall. They've made a tradition of turning us into a blades member every game. They can't break it now
@RadTheLad And the Stormcloaks still shun the "Thalmor Spies" in the Grey Quarter. Perhaps there's a reason to that, other than pure Nordic Muscles-For-Brains
@@XxDoomxLordxXIsbae "Not all members of an organization may agree with its mission, so it should simply not have one, or have one so whitewashed and so divorced from reality that no one can disagree with it"
I'm not saying it was elves. BUT IT WAS ELVES.
Needs the image
hey hey hey, let’s be reasonable now it was the *high elves*
@@nebulakula5410 ALTMER MASTER RACE
@@ImperatorBaldo DUNMER MASTER RACE
infinitekhajiit no. Dunmer are a cursed race that even the gods have forsaken. Altmer all the way.
So in the end, neither side wins but it was Mehrunes Dagon who was in fact the winner. He brought destruction, revolution, and change to the Empire
Technically the Thalmor also win
Damn, true.
Matt Fahey
The Thalmor are an Elven strain of the Mythic Dawn confirmed.
He didn't just bring change to the empire, he completely switch everything in Nirn. The Argonians took over Morrowind and enslaved it's people, the High Elves, who were once subjugated by the Empire rose up and shifted the balance of power in their favour, and the first province other than Cyrodiil to join the Empire, Skyrim, full of people that love the Empire and are loyal to it are risen up in revolt. All of this happening because of the Oblivion crisis. And some people think they beat Dagon in Oblivion...
Tiber Septim's Empire might not be as great or perfect, but I'd be sad to see it go away.
what about the Last Dragonborn’s empire?
It went away as soon as the warlord mede took over
Ah yes gotta love the warmongering slaughterers who wanted to dominate for no other reason than to dominate
@@nelson_rebel3907 Hey not all their conquests were achieved through force of arms, subtle means of diplomacy and subterfuge won them a few Provinces too. But yes, they're pretentious and domineering. At least they brought some semblance of peace to Tamriel for a time while the Septims ruled. Now for the next bloodthirsty fanatical conquerors to replace them. My monies on the Thalmor being worse.
PrimusGladius
Except they didnt bring peace. They used a dragon born and begged the dark elves for a giant robot god to kill and subjucate the other nations.
And for what exactly?? The other nations were doing fine, ESPECIALLY the high elves, the high elves were leaving everything and everyone alone. They were literally just living on their homeland.
The septims CREATED war for the future by starting random war conquest for nothing but to conquest. Obviously this was going to end in retaliation, it always does.
No race or nation should try to rule the other. Thats not peace thats the EXACT opposite of peace when the nations were relatively at peace
If the retard humans stop
trying to use demi gods and gods to do their work and stop fucking with shit, the land would actually be at peace.
Titus Mede either arranged his own assassination through his most trusted council member or was at least aware of his own assassination and prepared the empire beforehand, enough so that he was confident the empire would be put in capable hands after his demise. There is little other way I can interpret his behavior when confronted with his eminent demise.
The favor asked to kill the person who contracted out the assassination was either to cover his own tracks and protect his secret or to protect the new emperor from a future conspiracy, dealing with that last loose end before his death.
The Empire is probably screwed, but Mede was not a liked emperor and his death on the whole isn't the blow against the Empire it at first appears to be...
My headcannon Is that the empire and Dark brotherhood work together sometimes if your a History Buff a Venice-Ottoman relationship. Where the dark brotherhood is Small in comparison and could be wiped of nirn if the empire had a few well placed bounties. The empire give them recognition and money for them to do favors so they have a security force that is both independent and dependent of empire
Any way Dark brotherhood regains Fame for killing the emperor more members for the DB and with that the empire can use the DB to kill important Thalmor members
I'm pretty sure Titus Mede II set up the fall of hte "Third Empire" but set things in motion for the rise of a resurgent Fourth Empire. He knows he done fucked up and can't be the hero to rally hte empire after signing the WGC. So he bides his time, tops off hte Legions, gets his affairs in order, and let's himself die. He has likely groomed a successor in secret, or has a good idea who would rise to take his place.
They will purge the remaining corruption, command the Legions, and kick the Thalmor's teeth in. A new Empire with a new dynasty will be born to reunify the continent. First it was Alessia, then it was Camoran, and lastly Talos himself. I believe Titus Mede II has setup a fourth such hero to rise and return the Empire to glory once again.
The Empire is stronger than they appear and hte Thalmor are much weaker than they let on. Why else would they insist on such a drawn out civil war in Skyrim? Wouldn't they just prop up Ulfric to physically cleave the Empire in two? High Rock and Cyrodiil would be isolated from each other and ripe for conquest. Titus Mede II doesn't seem like the kind of fearful sniveling coward that would sit back and let the Thalmor control him, and I doubt he let the above go unnoticed. \
So he's likely biding his time to let his real plan come to fruition. He definitely seemed like a man with a plan that went willingly to his death. I doubt it's contact with the Akaviri, although the Second Empire was once ruled by them and the Empire/Blades in particular owe aesthetics and more to them. A secret deal with Hammerfell? I'm not fully convinced the split was as clean and dirty as it appears. By renouncing Hammerfell and leaving a legion of "invalids" behind, Titus Mede II both signed the WGC giving up Hammerfell to the Thalmor, yet kept them out of Thalmor hands all the same. The man is not stupid nor as powerless as he seems.
But the TL:DR is that Titus Mede looks like he has a plan and isn't going quietly into the night. I feel he's set plans in motion to end the Thalmor and rebuild the Empire under another great leader. He just knew that leader couldn't be him after losing the Great War. THere is still hope!
This dosent make sense
This only creates a plot hole
They are plenty of simple ways he could kill himself besides arranging an assassination by a cult hoodies
I mean he can just stab himself to death. No need for his cousin to get killed in a wedding
@@mr.fantastic6568 Being assassinated allows him to maintain his own public image and legacy, killing himself would damage both of those and the morale of the empire.
That would be smart if he didn't have the thalmor knocking at his door. In this scenario assassinating himself would be a very dumb move, as long as it looks like a blow to the empire it's an actual blow to the empire since it increases the chances of a thalmor invasion, the empire is still desorganized and needs time to pass through great reforms in order to reach the thalmor's level of organization, time enough for the thalmor to take advantage of the empire's weakness while it's still possible
Simple solution, after killing Alduin and Miirak, The Last Dragonborn flies on over to the Imperial City, due to him actually being Dragonborn, by birthright he would be crowned Emperor of the Empire just like Tiber Septim, because he was dragonborn, then he/she starts a new dynasty of emperors, thus starting an era of peace. All the little details can be handled by bethesda like the outcome of the civil war and such. Just my thoughts.
Eh
Maybe not this time.
If you look it up Tiber actually murdered a petty king (supposedly, but most sources state he did) and after he was crowned it was the Nords who recognized he was Dragonborn.
I wanna see this ending in 6.
Dragonborn, dragon souled near-divine entity, takes over the empire with the Blades' assistance and saves the empire (or makes a new one) like the second coming of Reman Cyrod.
Dragonborn could slay all the elfes, as long as his empire provides him cheese
It would make sense that this could be how the DragonBorn's tale ends. What he/she does in side quests is unimportant compared to the mainquests, removing the need for any arguements about whether they are canon. The people of Cyrodil would be rejuvenated by the return of the dragonborn, perhaps believong it a sign that the gods favour them over the Aldemari. The Dominion is too weak to stand up to an actual rebellion(they couldn't take Hammerfell or finish the Empire), and a rebellion led by a dragonborn, along with the sirviving blades that would come out of hiding in the wake of the new emperor, would deal a lot of damage to the Dominion forces. The canon end to the civil war is that the Stormcloaks win due to the weakening of the Empire before the dragonborn becomes the emperor, so the Empire is basically reduced to peacefully coexisting with the other races, and the Thalmor are wrecked, and Skyrim wins! Go Nords!
Khajiit only care for trade to be good if east empire company will be destroyed trade will not be good (also it disturbs skooma smuggling what is not good for khajiit)
That is true but if east empire trading company will be destroyed that is not good for trade
William Kappler But it would make new trade contracts
A Khajit Shopkeeper
You stole a picture from a tumblr. You even spelled Khajiit wrong. You also put “I have wares if you have coin” in your description instead of “Khajiit has wares if you have coin.”
-.-
Z4rrow I just got the first picture that i liked and The name Khajiit shopekeeper wasnt good enough for youtube and what about my despriction is it really that bad that i wrote I have wares if you have coin instead of Khajiit has wares if you have coin
What wares do you have, cat?
Empire:fails
Dragonborn: shit i thought i would have peacfull retirement
😂😂
What if The Dragonborn decides to claim the mantle of Emperor for his or herself just like Talos. Throughout the game it is implied that those who are Dragonborn have a desire for power. We already see this by the actions of Miraak and Talos. Also our Dragonborn is considered the most powerful ever due to his/her ability to control Dragons and mortals with the Bend Will shout and defeating Alduin and Miraak. So while there's infighting in the elder council the Dragonborn can just fly to the Imperial City on a Dragon and declare his or herself as ruler of the Empire. Most likely the Stormcloaks will bend the knee due to there respect of the Dragonborn and the imperials would have some disdain for the Dragonborn but that might be enough to present a reasonable case that the Dragonborn will become the Emperor.
I think the Empire would accept them with open arms by seeing them as the true heir to the Septim Dynasty.
I love this.
@Pondering Thoughts2109 I have had these thoughts myself and am very glad to see that someone else has as well
Like any body of politics, there would be extremes of reaction. Some would support, some would be against. Could even create a second civil war, which if your dragonborn is Machiavellian, you could send support to Ulfric in exchange for his support to your claim of Emperor.
Pondering Thought2109 because then they would have to give the dragonborn a canon race, gender and name.
All empires fall eventually. And this one has had a pretty good innings.
I think Ulfric's new Skyrim will end up becoming the new empire of man to replace the Mede empire just like with chinese dynasties over the years. Out with the old, in with the new. No empire lasts forever.
Adam Coughlin Well, that’s assuming that the storm cloak ending is canon. If it is, then there’s also the dragonborn who can use the ritual stone as well as the bend will shout to fight battles against the dominion while barely throwing any real soldiers. But if they lose or the war never ends, he’ll either be stuck in Skyrim fighting his war, or die.
@@greeneyeballs not to mention the Empire has more legions it can send to take back Skyrim from Ulfric
17 Cons the Dragonborn is likely stuck with Herma Mora, most the Civil war ends in a stalemate or it just continues until the Thalmor start another war
@@Meow_Zedong_1949
If I had been fooled into Ulfric's Embrace, I would have agreed. But no, I am enlightened.
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
With the analogy to the Roman Empire, I'd recommend looking up the Crisis of the Third Century.
Tl;dr the Emperor was assassinated, Britannia and Gaul seceded and proclaimed the Gallic Empire, and Egypt, the Levant, and SE Anatolia seceded in the Palmyrene Empire. 49 years of civil war until Rome was reunited.
Edit: the Gallic Empire also briefly held Hispania.
KheptlaxaXonu you mean the Crisis Emperor Aureliean managed to solve in one Generation? You know the Empire recovered from that and unlike from Rome, Tamriel will never face a gothic or Germanic migration. The Tamriel Empire falls only because dumb Provinces declare Independence, only rats leave the sinking ships.
@@Swiss_femboy Tamriel has already faced a number of great migrations, all of which succeeded, so why not another?
Who Knows because every „Tribe“ that could migrate is already there obvious!... and the Akaviri are fighting themselves in bloody wars again at the time of elder scrolls V as I know.. so there is nobody who would want, or need to, or could migrate to, or invade Tamriel.
@@Swiss_femboy Pyandonea, the Sloads, and whatever else Bethesda decides to right in before ES6 comes out.
Who Knows Who Knows as I read it in the elder scrolls Wiki the Sloads a believed extinct, and if they where around they would be to few to make an invasion because why would they hide if they are enough to fight make the invasion? also Tamriel repelled also the akaviri invasions several times so that would only be a event that delayed and not prevents the return of the Empire. And also to that whatever Bethesda rights into it, it would be weak to write in a ominous overpowered foe that comes out of nothing to defeat the empire.
The Empire held off the Dominion in the Great War, and it recovers faster than the Dominion in the next war it must win, it’s like they wrote it in, they cannot lose, and it is said in Skyrim that other Imperial Legions are waiting behind the blocked Passes of Skyrim to invade.
Ulfric can’t even defeat a weakened Legion under Tullius, how would he defeat the Imperial Army?
Only Mers, Argonians and Idiots want the Empire to fall, in the World of Elder Scrolls it is the best Goverment they ever had.
I don’t see any chance the Empire could lose, and if he Empire loses, it will be because the Enemy had a Plot-Armor.
Every Sane Person with a Brain can see that the Plan was:
Sign the Treaty with the Dominion, Talos can’t be officially worshipped for a few decades, recover strengt, and than kick the Elves in the Butt and get Revenge, and if the Empire declares War on the Dominion every Province that doesent belong to the Dominion except for Morrowind and Black Marsh would join the fight. and if the Dominion declared war on the Empire Hammerfall and Skyrim would come to help, because if not they would be next.
sorry for the long text but I think these are the points why I think and hope the Empire will recover
The mission is called "season unending" because the ancient nord word for war translates to season unending, one of the greybeards explains it in the dialog options.
Skyrim belongs to the Nerds! I mean, Nords!
Neeeevar shoulda come here!
Destroy the stormcloaks and all who worship the false divine talos.
Where did he go!? I'll find you eventually! Ah ha.. found you!
The stormcloaks will be victorious empire shit
Open borders for skyrim
One thing I'll have to point out is that one quest line you can do destroys the dark brotherhood and prevents the assassination of the Emperor, and both can't be canon unless there's a dragonbreak. I wonder if killing Partysnax is canon or not, because that would have a huge impact, as if he isn't dead, he starts teaching dragons how to be more peaceful and they could be teamed up with to help fight the Thalmor
True, but one would argue that Dark Brotherhood gets destroyed in its own storyline, which means those things aren't mutually exclusive. Also, if you as a player decide to destroy DB, you actually don't kill all their members - Babette and Cicero (with The Night Mother) still live. Which means there is nothing stopping them to reborn at Dawnstar like in DB storyline. There could be a book in TES VI, where its written "Empire thought The Dark Brotherhood was completely destroyed, but they proved them wrong by killing emperor" and it still wouldn't contradict any of those choices
There is a dragon break, did you see how Alduin cracked up🤣
what if u killed all the dark brotherhood members
Bryer Stoner cicero and babeth are still allive and so is the night mother
The night mother is alive?
+Nick Nieberg
Neither of which are Astrid, and Astrid's the one who got the contracts.
It's not a really well done quest, in my opinion this means it's not canon
Eugenio Del Nero please explain how quest quality coincides with whether it's canon
Not only will the empire fail, but also the rest of the game becau....
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My game just dies and makes a loud screech noise
@@Stoicbjj it's like a ps2 startup if you scratch the disk
The thalmor straight up lost against the Redguards after the Great War, so whoever sides with the redguards pretty much wins
Y0neZer0
Only because there were lots of exposure legionaires who went to help out.
@CatholicPrincess15 yes. Side with the Empire that abandoned you during great war. Nice choice.
@CatholicPrincess15 you think teaming up with the Empire will ensure their victory?
The_Drop Bear
Yeah and also the Dominion sent far too few soldiers to Hammerfel to compleat the conquest ^ got stomped
No. Never give a trust to someone who already betrayed you. The Redguard can hold Thalmor when thry are together. Let the Empire fall.
"Imperial Empire"
ah yes, the floor here is made out of floor
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@@edmonddantes563 ah yes detective comics comics
Best case scenario; the Dragonborn sides with the empire and wins the civil war in Skyrim for the imperial legion. The Dragonborn is seen as a hero (while Titus Mede the 2nd will still die). He / She proceeds to Cryodiil where they; as probably the sole reason the imperials won in Skyrim, is given the authority to work with the elder council to crown a new emperor (or perhaps to begin a new line of 'Dragonborn emperors'). when the emperor is crowned you secretly reform the blades; using Sky Haven temple as the headquarters with Esbern and Delphine as its new leaders. with preparations underway for a secret large-scale restoration you travel to Hammerfell, and attempt to negotiate an annexation plan, possibly informing the outraged leaders of Hammerfell that the blades are being reformed, and that you are meeting with imperial generals in secret to get them to begin training their troops for the second great war. Eventually travelling to each seceded province in attempt to bring them back into the fold. plus... dragons; if the Dragonborn becomes Emperor/Empress they could use their shouts during battle to do things such as call for dragons, and simply shout again to bring them to his side.
No best thing for tamriel would be for the nords to destroy every weak race and make temriel great and strong all over.
Technically no race is weak within Tamriel. the elves are amazing in magic (while weak physically), the Bretons are highly adept in magic while also not being as frail as the elves, redguard are probably some the best swordsmen in the world, khajiit are sneaky and are very agile, and the imperials share Nordic, Aldmeri, and Akiviri culture.
*a new line of Dragonborn Emperors would probably be one of the best things for Tamriel as it would reinvigorate the people of the empire to know a man like Tiber Septim sits on the throne once again; the man who literally built the empire. the 'rouge' provinces would probably kneel once again to the rule of a true Dragonborn who does have the voice and who can technically control dragons.
Death to the empire.
Actually, the Bretons _are_ somewhat fragile physically. Plus, note that the character is *The Last Dragonborn* and as such wouldn't create a line of succession in other Dragonborns since it wouldn't be possible to pass the Thu'um over to their children (Though come to think of it, would it be easier to use the Thu'um for those practicing?). If the Last Dragonborn _is_ truly immortal in age, they might stick around for a long time. If they aren't, the best they can do is have children (assuming they do get married and decide to have a family) and work up from there.
The Last Dragonborn might be recognized for reawakening the Imperial Legion after they die _if_ their child(ren) happen to go up as the next heir and do a good job of getting it up on the horse again.
I personaly think that the Empire has to fall apart to make place foe another. As a wise general said, what was once divided must be united, what was once united must be divided
That's what always happens in TES though. The empire back at just before old Tiber showed up was in an even worse state, that's something that many people forget when they say that the empire is doomed to fail.
Back at the pre Tiber era we had
1: An emperor assassinated.
2: Literally every single province got separated, made alliances between each other, and used Cyrodill as their battleground in a three way all out conflict. With the Second Aldmeri Dominion (The Thalmor are the third) almost winning.
3: A full scale Daedric invasion of Tamriel that, to top it all off, happened at the same time as the the all out war between the provinces of the continent. And the Daedra who invaded was Molag freaking Bal.
Yet all it took was one conqueror to make Tamriel unified again.
I bet Bethesda will find themselves a way to keep in the Empire in play forever, i simply don't ever see it going away, it is one of the biggest parts of what makes TES, TES.
@@theazureknight9399 if anything, Bethesda will probably make the Last Dragonborn Emperor of a new Empire, replacing the current one. So the Empire will still exist in one form or another.
I don’t want a new empire. Empire’s suck.
@@maxwell8758 Then what would you have in it's place? Because having a bunch of squabbling kingdoms is a guarantee that there will be endless stream of wars.
@@piotrx6833 Hard disagree. The best way to ensure piece is to have multiple different countries in existence that are allied together and trade together. Having one big empire is the worst thing you could ever do. It’s a gateway to corruption and imperialism.
I want an independent Skyrim, but with Bulgruuf as High King
Fuck no
Based beyond belief.
The empire died with the Septims, now its just a Thalmor puppet.
DeviantCringe hello ulfric
What else would you call a peace established with your own citizens being taken away in the night by foreign soilders for praying to their god or at least thats what they say. As theyre seems to be a lack judicial process and you can get decapitated without trial for stealing a horse or crossing the border.
In the empire, you are guilty until proven innocent. It's an Alesian crazy Monkey -man thing. lol As for people being taken away, that didn't start until the Markarth incident. It was not enforced prior to it, because it was a strain on resources, however once Ulfric started to rebel, the Thalmor decided that they had to at least take a few citizens to spread fear in the populace of Skyrim. I highly doubt that they dare steal away people in Cyrodiil proper. Moreover, Talos is 'the' Imperial god, Nords of Skyrim prior to ESV were always for the Nordic Pantheon. lol
I hate this idea that somehow the Mede dynasty is worse than the Septim dynasty. The only difference between the two is that the Septims had a giant robot and essentially no competition. The Mede dynasty has successfully fended off foreign invasion (managed to survive a surprise attack from the Dominion), is making progress in combating internal dissidents (at the start of Skyrim they've captured the leader of the Stormcloaks and the leader of the Forsworn,) and successfully pulled a tattered empire back together after it was invaded by essentially Hell, all with no giant mechs, no dragonborn emperors, and while surrounded on all sides by neighbors who can finally put up a fight. Considering that literally all they lost in this process was a single process and the worship of a god who was in reality not one person but instead three people wearing a trench coat to try and sneak into a movie theater, I'd say that the Mede Empire has the potential to go farther than the Septims ever could.
Also, before you go looking back at the Septims with rose tinted glasses, really think about it. Pelagius the mad was a Septim. The wolf queen of solitude was a Septim. Uriel the Fifth was a Septim (he tried to invade Akavir). If the Empire died when it stopped having good rulers then the Empire died a long long time ago. If anything the Mede dynasty is its rebirth.
@@Skarekrow54 Titus mede II is an incompetent twat took a bribe to sign the treaty.
What he should have realized is that the elves suffer losses way harder then men do. Man breeds like rabbits compared to them, and he signed the treaty after retaking the imperial city. What he should have done was rallied his country into a war fervor and driven them straight back into valenwood, combined his legions, set into defensive positions and then trained more legions in preparation of invasion of valenwood, putting the Dominion in a bad spot. They either wait and then valenwood raises up before the Legion even gets to the heart, or they attack strong defensive positions with a numerically inferior army.
"Ready to tear the elves a new asshole" OML that's great, I need to use that xD
Option 5. The dragonbourne becomes emperor and es6 is the reunification war... I'd totally be game for that.
If The Last Dragonborn could become the Emperor I'm sure he could save the Empire. He is Dragonborn like all the previous emperors after all.
The Illuminati
That is unlikely. The dragonborn doesn't know anything about politics and the elder counsil can't just Crown someone Emperor just because they can shout.
You don't need politics when you have mind control :p
I Will Redeem The Land of Shadow
Well. I wouldn't Crown some random Person Emperor. Yeah youre a thane of skyrim but that means shit here in cyrodiil. He also used the greybeards for the peace contract . Not because the dragonborn can shout. You see the ability to shout doesn't give you any privileges. Any experienced telvanni Mage could Counter everything the DB has.
+ The Illuminati eeeemm dont know how to break this to you but the assassinated emperor wasent dragonborn ;-) and neither was the past couple hundreds of years emperors... the last dragonborn emperor was martin septim and he died during oblivion crisis...so saying all previous emperor's was dragonborn is pure bull :-)
I Will Redeem The Land of Shadow
Bruh just accept the fact that your character won't become Emperor. You seem to protect this theory with your life.
Hammerfell (Redguard) will fight the thalmor, maybe together with the argonians and nord (stormcloaks). Atleast I hope so
Ga5t0n if valenwood gets coaxed into betraying the Thalmor they'll have an easier time beating them
Ga5t0n Why would the Argonians do anything, at all? They are pretty ok living in Argonia, there's literally no threat to them.
Ga5t0n we Argonians like you guys the only people we HATE are those dark elve cunts yeah fuck them
Yeah maybe it will be the opposite and the redguard and nord will fight with the dark elves against the argonians, because they in infaidet morrowind and the dark elves want that back.
But I think what would happen is that the redguard and nord will infaid highrock and morrowind, so they have the betrones and the darkelves and then, maybe the khajitt will find out that the thalmor lied to them. And many Provinces will start fighting against the emperials and thalmor.
Maybe the redguard, orks, betrones and nord make a knew alliance and fight against the emperails and thalmor. And then when the alliance got to cyrodil the emperails surrender and will join the alliance.
Atleast thats my theory.
Ga5t0n
emperails, orks and betrones? XD
I hate that people keep ignoring the Dragonborn as a serious contender for the throne of the Empire. With Mede dead, men will rally to the "New Talos", the Dragonslayer, the Dragon Ruler (with the power of Bend Will). Heck, although the Amulet of Kings is destroyed, people may think that the Dragonborn can relight the Dragonfires. This guy is such a big deal that, in the end, I would've preferred to help the Dragonborn, like with Martin Septim in ESIV, than to be the Dragonborn just so that this character could have a concrete backstory and not whichever one we want.
If this one person can beat dragons, vanquish the World Eater and win a Civil War, he would be unstoppable with a real army behind him.
When elder scrolls 6 comes out we’re gonna start off with a prisoner
Or a soldier left for dead on the battlefield.....
@@lordsilvis1048 hopefully
My biggest thing I really feel you kind of assumed here is that the Aldmeri Dominion is some kind of all-powerful, unstoppable force. They aren't. Oh they're a threat, certainly, but while they won the war it doesn't mean they are magically able to do anything they want still. They only got all the concessions they did because the Empire was beaten even worse than they were.
Again, it doesn't mean that they'd be some almighty force. It's possible the Empire could fall, like, taking out the possibility of the any questlines mucking shit up more, let's just assume they do win and end the Mede Empire once and for all, and therefore they at long last put an elven ruler on the Ruby Throne...
...it doesn't mean still that they'd rule over all Tamriel. Or that they'd even be that much of a force after another war. They might rule, but they'd have such few numbers that they'd have a hard time fighting anyone else.
So let's assume that they conquer Skyrim, Cyrodiil, High Rock, and the areas they already control, that leaves: Hammerfell, Morrowind, and Black Marsh. To start off, Black Marsh has never been truly conquered, not by anyone. Not even Mehrunes Dagon could do it. I seriously doubt the Aldmeri Dominion could do it either. Hammerfell broke from the Empire on their own and continued the fight against them and basically beat them to a standstill, again even if they won it would be MORE resources drained from them even further, and more occupied territory as well.
Lastly there's Morrowind. While the Dunmer are not nearly the force they were before everything that befell them, they are not nearly so weak as to be an easy target. Not to mention that Morrowind is on the furthest possible location on Tamriel from the Summerset Isles, meaning that the supply lines are greatly stretched, as even if they keep themselves supplied from Cyrodiil they are still pulling from further and further away. On the flip side the Dunmer will be fighting on their home turf in a defensive war. The Dunmer also have one thing that they can match the AD with: Powerful magic users in the form of the Telvanni. I know that Telvanni aren't really the most...proactive, but I do feel like if push came to shove, they WOULD fight back against invaders. And Telvanni wizards are powerful, ancient, and knowledgeable.
My point from all this is that even if we give so much in the favor of the Aldmeri Dominion, and take away every possible advantage for the Empire, is that the Empire falling does NOT equate to an AD victory in the long-term. Even if we presume Ulfric Stormcloak wins and the Empire is dismantled, I doubt he'd be so stupid and arrogant to think that he could stand against the AD without some ally, someone somewhere to help him. Let alone the other areas of Tamriel looking at all this going on and not taking action, because they will. OH yes, they will very much so take action. It might vary, it might be counter-productive, but I am quite confident that if the Empire DOES fall, people are not just going to take that sitting down.
I think this is the most likely scenario; yes the Empire does fall, but the Aldmeri would either collapse next or have a relatively short lived victory. Eventually they just find themselves surrounded by enemies on all sides.
Yep. To put it another way, the AD would get 'too big for it's britches' and they simply couldn't maintain an empire that large.
Troodon agreed. Plus I found a book were though the khajiit joined the dominion seems its population don't care for dominion, empire and even the mane there leader. Chances are if the khajiit are given an option to rule themselves they want to take it. So if empire or a alliance against the dominion gave them a option of ruling themselves for temporary aid. The khajiit will take it possibly. Ill reply the book name if want to read its 1 I found while experimenting with my argonian modded play through. Though I feel the empire will fail were its just cyrodil or only high rock(dont remember if they were the last ones other skyrim off top of my head)
We don't know that, the dominion has had time to recover, while the empire has been losing more and more strength in the civil war, also they can't be that weakened because most of the thalmor you talk too are pretty confident that there is going to be another great war fairly soon.
Well confidence bordering on arrogance is a common trait of the Altmer. But more than that, why wouldn't they display anything but supreme confidence in front of others? After all, they can't allow their enemy to be shown any sign of weakness, and it seems like a lot of things the Thalmor DO in Skyrim is to constantly project an air of 'we can do whatever we want and you cannot stop us', such as Elenwen and the Thalmor Embassy, constantly calling all the wealthy and elite members of Skyrim society there any time she wants.
That even happens if you side with the Stormcloaks, the Thalmor are still around.
It's also worth noting that the 'you can hide nothing from us' attitude, is common amongst all totalitarian and police state type of regimes. Even if it's not true, they still constantly put on an air of that, to dishearten people from fighting against the 'State'. Ergo, even if the Thalmor do win the 2nd war they are talking about, the 1st one was still not won easily, and they're not nearly as strong as they claim to be, nor are they necessarily gonna achieve all their goals, if that's even possible for them to do so now.
"Culture, religion, and by extension, the traditions they create are essential to propagating a society onward. The traditions and cultural practices are often what makes a culture successful in the first place. When they are no longer observed, you see a crumbling of the culture, and often the society."
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@charlie freeman Rome crumbled because people stopped worshipping the Roman Gods, and converted to Christianity
@charlie freeman
It does in every country in history.
Dragonborn should be Emperor
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't Bethesda going to make that a DLC that allowed you to become Emperor but decided to get rid of it?
It makes sense. The Last Dragonborn is arguably an avatar of Shor, and shares many of the same qualities as Tiber Septim. It would be nice to find out in ES6 that the game we played before was only the beginning of the Dragonborn's legend that possibly allowed him or her to ascend to godhood the way that Talos did. Of course that would involve weighing in on the whether or not the altmer are correct about the cosmology of Nirn. The Aedra don't communicate with players the same way that the Daedra, so whether or not the creation myth is true is still up for debate. The Heart of Lorkhan could have just been a powerful dwemer artifact rather than the actual heart of the trickster God and creator of men.
DarkLegion6700 Probably add that in the crappy Creation Club XD
Yes. The Dragonborn should be considered dragonkin to the Septim dinasty.
And being the one who wone the Civil War, he should be praised as Emperor.
LordMunchkin is right. Dragonborn is the chosen of Akatosh. Also, we now have no reason to automatically associate the Dragonborn with the imperial throne because of (1) all of the non-dragonborn emperors there have been, (2) the existence of other non-emperor Dragonborn such as Miraak, and (3) the explicit implication in ES5 that the Dragonborn exists primarily as a defense against Alduin, which is now irrelevant.
Also also, the player character couldn't become the emperor because that would require future games to acknowledge the name and race of the player character. Yes, they could take a special name when they assume the throne, but the race would have to be confirmed. The only way around this is if it happened during a dragon break so that it would be possible for nobody in Tamriel to have any memories of specifics about who he was or what happened. Unfortunately, there is no dragon break at this time, as the Numidium is nowhere to be seen.
I like how General Tullius casually eats bread in the intro 😂
that's *EMPEROR* Tullius
He's the best one to replace Titus Mede
"They [the Blades] hold their allegiance to the Dragonborn…"
I call bullshit! They may _say_ they're loyal to the Dragonborn, but it certainly didn't play out that way when Delphine and Esbern asserted their will over the player's, trying to force him to kill Paarthurnax or else be unwelcome in his own fort (which they only regained _because_ of him or her)! After that bullshit, I was quite content to bring about the Blades' extinction with my own hands (if I could).
There is a mod for that lol
I did it parthanux did do wrong but he admitted he was wrong and changed that's different compared to judging someone on their past I killed the blades in mine.
@@Sam-pu7xc paarthu was the whole reason why your in soverngarde. And his also the reason why the greybeards are here. He thought them the voice. And without the voice, the DG is useless
@nathan smith If I recall correctly Kyne's daughters were the ones who granted the Ancient nords the ability to use the Thu'um but it was Kyne herself who instructed Paarthurnax to teach the nords how to use the voice in order to have a fighting chance against the dragons. If it weren't for Kyne's intervention Paarthurnax may have not defected and betrayed Alduin, but even then he was instrumental in our journey for the Elder Scroll and the Dragonrend Shout, because similar to Kyne it was Paarthurnax's choice to aid us that compelled the greybeards to do the same. I always just use console commands and murder the blades, if I had the option I would just walk out on them and tell them to leave me the fuck alone. According to various polls on youtube i've seen from skyrim channels, an overwhelming majority chose to spare Paarthurnax and told the blades to fuck off.
8:14 Doesn't someone say that the Nord word for war (in other words, not just the civil war) is "season unending" in a quest that starts in Whiterun?
@Asgore Dreemurr actually I know Argneir the Greybeard did.
Honestly i just wanna see every single thalmor slaughtered i dont care who does it
They're practically fascists
@@sitzreihe15 Skyrim wasnt exactly subtle at hinting at the Thalmor being the elven Nazi's of Tamriel and if Tamriel had the internet I imagine there would b tonnes of videos like "Elenwen rants about....."
Nords should slaughter them all.
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Ysgramor and Talos bathed in their blood once. They can do it again easily.
@@dominickowalczyk8253 there shoulda been a quest exclusive to a Stormcloak victory where you, Ulfric and Galmar descend upon the Thalmor embassy and kill Elenwen. I mean its literally just up the road from Solitude
This pretty much sums up why I joined the Stormcloaks. I feel like the Empire falling opens the door for cool new possibilities for the lore as you said. One thing I would love to see is a resurrection of the Ebonheart Pact.
That would be sick!
"Imperial Empire", I wanna die
My heart flutters like a little boy when you upload.
The empire WILL prevail, if only due to the fact that when the fighting starts, all Talos worship is back in action, thus, skyrim will probably aid if not rejoin the empire.
And not to forget, the assassination, which he planned himself, because if he quit, the empire would appear weak, if he killed himself, the empire would appear weak, but he's assassinated, by the most dangerous assassins in tamriel, this shows the man was still dangerous, making way for a younger, more inspiring emperor, who will be ready for a war with the elves, unlike titus mede during the great war.
With the imperial victory, general tullius says himself that they will move on the Thalmor.
it should be "the thalmor will fail" because they can't possibly succeed. both the empire's army and the thalmor army were decimated by the great war. the thalmor then lost even more in hammerfell. this is significant because the thalmor can't raise an army anywhere near as fast the empire can. it's been 25 years since the great war, which is plenty of time of breeding and raising new soldiers for the empire. any altmer or bosmer born in the last 25 years aren't nearly old enough to fight in a war. with a new emperor, they can wipe the slate clean with skyrim and hammerfell. even if they don't, they should still have enough of an army to drive the thalmor out.
on top of that, the WGC only stopped public talos worship. those who believe aren't going to stop privately just because the thalmor told them to. stamping out a religion is no where near that easy.
Thomas Jenkins For a while after the WGC, people still did worship Talos in private, then the Thalmor started kidnapping people who did. At the time of Skyrim, a lot of people stopped worshipping Talos because they were scared for their lives.
And with the assassination of the emperor in Skyrim, the empire’s future is uncertain. Never underestimate the Thalmor, as much as I hate them, I have to admit they are very powerful and really stand a chance against an empire in turmoil.
The assassination wasn’t necessarily his plan, that’s just a camelworks THEORY, it could have perfectly been that the elder council grew corrupt and it got out of hands of the emperor which now very old and done with it decided for destiny to decide his faith knowing that someone would eventually kill him for power and he sees it as his final peace, after all he has lived a long life and the only thing he has left is to die, and he would ask to kill the contractor as his simple final “gift” to the empire, taking one of the corrupt elders with him, camelworks theory implies that he was both a mastermind and highly dedicated of his empire, and if you think about it if he was that the empire wouldn’t have had such a slow recovery with so many problems under his rule and most likely wouldn’t have had such a corrupt aristocracy that could make his plan of killing himself possible, to me he was just an old man who did what he could for his people but as many monarchs prioritized himself before his empire and now old he is sorry of that kind of life and just wanted to end it all before seeing worse to come to him and his empire
And if the stormcloaks are victorious in Skyrim (which they most likely are because of a unique note in a fort that only appears if the stormcloaks win the civil war) the empires response is not to keep up with their plan against the thalmor, it’s to send 2 entire imperial cyrodillic legions to take Skyrim back (as stated in the note I talked about) which means that any aggressive plan of an offensive against the thalmor is gone for a long time, the Skyrim/Cyrodill relations are going to be broken for years to come and both regions are going to be worried for a thalmor invasion while fighting a war against each other, which probably would mean an end to both because the Stormcloaks would need most of their brave but untrained and poorly equipped troops to defend the imperial border who would have professionally trained proper imperial soldiers instead of the militant imperial forces they fought in the past, and containing a professional thalmor maritime invasion would require more of the same, and in the imperial side while they could probably reconquer Skyrim or defend cyrodill from the aldmeri dominion by their own, fighting in two fronts would probably overwhelm them specially considering that the war in Skyrim is an offensive war meaning that they would need to advance in order to prevent the nords from building a strong stationary defense in the border and in the south the problem would be very bad too because while having a professionally trained well prepared army unlike Skyrim they would also have a land border with the aldmeri dominion meaning that it wouldn’t just be defense against naval invasions but a full on war, and that would mean that they would also need to fight the armies of valenwood and the 2 khajiit kingdoms in elsweyrs that probably wouldn’t mobilize against Skyrim who is in the other side of the continent and while much more smaller than the imperial army, are still a big advantage for the elven armies of summerset
0:56 "Completely free of bias"... sure, lol. Anyone who claims to be free of bias tends to be the most biased.
Good video, though - if highly speculative. Ultimately it is up to Todd Howard, the 10th Divine, who will make a story that "just works".
Ooor killing a weak emperor allows a stronger emperor to take the throne, re-establish links with Hammerfell, re-allows the worship of of Talos, bringing Skyrim back into the empire, with extremely proficient and capable soldiers and commanders, veterans of the Skyrim civil war where as prior to the outlaw of Talos, there had been no real conflict before the Great War for about 70 years. So the Army at the time of the Great War was inexperienced and less effective.
"re-allows the worship of of Talos", well that would stop the stormcloaks, seems legit
just let the empire die, it's not the septim empire anymore. It's the "Mede Empire", a pale shadow of it's former glory. Then let's say if a thu'um wielding nord warlord like Ulfric would gain independence and eventually take cyrodiil, now there's an empire that the Thalmor couldn't defeat in their weakened state.
guys, literally read this, from morrowind
“I’ve heard rumours that Akivari is making preparations to invade us again. They are apparently only waiting for the Empire to collapse in Civil War or some other crisis. We’d certainly need a Hortator then - if we had one, maybe they could travel to Akaviri before the invasion and weaken or stop it”.
Who said this
@@matthewlambert5364 An npc in morrowind
@@twiddlerat9920 well yeah, which one
@@matthewlambert5364 ill search
@@matthewlambert5364 Lloros Sarano
I know the video is old but let's not forget the secret assasin on the emperors ship. So even if you never joined the dark brotherhood in skyrim,or always killed them,there is still this assasin who could have killed the emperor and still made the emperors death canon.
“.....a bunch of pissed off nords ready to tear the elves a new asshole.....”
Absolutely love it!
If only there was a questline for the Dragonborn to fly to the Imperial city on Odahviing and claim the Ruby throne for themselves to save the empire. And fight the Dominion.
The fall of The Empire is literally our worlds Rome
Well you forgot one thing, or one person rather: The Last Dragonborn. That guy is immensely powerful. Whichever side he picks, that one is going to prevail. Perfect scenario for me: Dragonborn sides with the stormcloacks, kills the Emperor, defeats the Thalmor and starts the new empire. Remember only the dragonborn can sit upon the ruby throne. And I find the theory about dragonborn being an agent of Hermaeus Mora quite boring. I would be more awesome if he was an aspect of Lorkhan, a demigod essentially, to be the champion for men and defeat the elves.
Ellpidys nord supremacy to make tamriel peaceful, strong and great again before alduin has lunch.
Make Skyrim Great Again
Except Lorkhan is Talos.
Rallying the Orc tribes, recreating Orsinium, rallying Black Marsh, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, and High Rock should be enough to defeat the Aldmeri dominion. Whatever is left of the empire can be used to help create supplies and food for this new empire. A new empire will definitely be needed, not run by imperial diplomats but A Dragonborn who can unite and strengthen all nations.
11X11
The throne doesn't need a dragonborn anymore
I'm feeling a 4th era repeat of the 2nd era faction wars coming on.
*the imperial empire*
It's called the tamrielic/cyrodilic empire, it just annoys me when you say "imperial empire" because the word imperial means having to do with an empire, even if the imperial race created it, it sounds redundant and it is actually called something else.
It's also possible that the new heir to the throne will be the dragonborn, causing 2 of the great houses of Morrowind to be helping, plus an army of dragons
I have separate characters for each guild storyline that I do so it's nice that they're all considered canon anyway lol
i find it interesting to note that the Great War was not just a battle between Cyrodil and Summerset but a battle between humans and elves. On that note, the humans were at "full power": all the races of men (Hammerfell, Skyrim, High Rock, and Cyrodil) fought against an "incomplete" elven race (Summerset, Valenwood, and Elseweyr). The elves are missing 4 of their bretheren (the Dunmer, the Dwemer, the Orcs and the Snow Elves). Each of the missing elven races are so because of their own personal circumstances but that doesn't change the fact that ALL humans went up against a fraction of the elves. Despite their clear advantage, the humans were fought to a "stalemate" which was still favorable to the Dominion. Add the events of Skyrim (Hammerfell leaving the empire, Skyrim's civil war, the Reachmen causing trouble within Skyrim). The humans are all splintered while the Dominion, though incomplete, are fully unified. It's an interesting way to add more evidence to the Empire's days being numbered
One of the guys did say at Bethesda that the overarching story of TES is an inverse of the rise of Man and withdrawal of Elves from Tolkien’s work. I expect TES 6 takes place in Elsywer and will show a failed Empire and full might Dominion.
Morrowind is my favourite Elder Scrolls game and here is a small theory that I dont really believe will happen but I want it to.
Since the Nerevarine is immortal because he has a modified disease that makes him immune to any type of illness and makes him never age, during the events of this video when the emperor dies and cyrodill has a civil war, skyrim has a civil war, high rock has a civil war, empire dying, thalmor on the verge of invasion, argonian conquest of morrowind. The Nerevarine relises that Tamriel is in turmoil and after uniting the warring states of Akavir (Akavir is a continent next to Tamriel and is where the Nerevarine is currently in) and forming some kind of Akaviri mini empire he goes on the quest to save Tamriel once more starting with his home and closest place next to him, Morrowind, the invaded barbaric argonian prove no match to his Akaviri super soldiers and and master tactics so they surrender to him and they forcefully join his side therefor he has conquered morrowind and black marsh but even with argonians, akaviri and the remaining dark elves he will lose against the other countries so he goes to to find the mysterious missing tribunal member, Vivec, he finds him, he joins the nerevarine, cyrodill was next and was the easiest, the very weak empire relises the legendary hero and his help to the empire before and happily join him, skyrim was next, the last dragonborn joins the nerevarine because he is tired of not being able to do anything about his already in turmoil home but even with the persuasion of the legendary dragonborn couldnt get ulfric stormcloak to join the nerevarine simply because ulfric does not bend knee to an elf, his only option was to fight the storm cloaks and crush them, high rock was valuable to the conquest of tamriel simply because the bretons were the only hope to establish a new government in tamriel they invented politics after all so the nerevar could not simply conquer high rock he has to unite them, he gathers them all to a meeting and discuss their unending hatred to each other ( this situation is kinda like the dragonborn when he did a temporary peace treaty) and after a long debate they came to conclude that high rock will be split into multiple countries that have their own ruling government so they could leave each other alone in peace, the orcs of orsinium wanted to stay out of the fighting of tamriel so that they could be left in peace to live their noble peaceful life and obey the code of malacath even though they did not join nerevarine they still maintained an alliance ( you know for trade routes to high rock and such and such) , hammerfell was an easy buch, most of them are pirates, mercenaries and merchants and easily baught by gold (plus the nerevarine really wanted them due to their strong fleet so he can use it to cross to summerset isles, next was valenwood, it proved to be hard to conquer valenwood due to the wood elves being master trackers and huntsman of their own forests, he knew they would never beat them in valenwood so he drew them out to hammerfell and the wood elves was not used to the conditions of hammerfell and surrendered after short battles, elsweyr was next, since the nerevarins is friend to azura the deadric prince of dawn and dusk, sun and moon, and the moons being sacred to the kahjit they joined his side because they belived he was some kind of moon incarnation, the high elvescof the summerset was next, the aldmeri dominion knew they had no chance to beat him so they falsefully surrendered and invited the nerevarine to a dinner party to try to poison him but the dragonborn could sence something was wrong, him knowing some of the plans of the aldmeri dominion from the plans he found on the thalmor embassy in skyrim so he was on constant lookout for something, he saw an assassination attempt and shouted the assassin to peices, after this the nerevarine was outraged and slaughtered all the aldmeri dominion soldiers and took over summerset isles. After all the countries united under a new empire, the nerevarine became the emperor of a new and reformed empire. So bassicly this is tiber septims story but using different names, timelines, people and nerevarine doesnt become a god. Tamriel finally found peace at last.
This is elder scrolls 6 everybody.
OR DID TAMRIEL FIND PEACE??
Thanks for reading all or some of it and sorry for my shit english I wrote this on a phone my thumbs hurt send help.
If there's any time morrowind needs a Hortator...
Delirious of course, you just HAVE to stuff some anti-Stormcloak propaganda in there
One of The most satisfying things in skyrim is assasanating the Emporor I don't know why....
im all for the empire, but fuck that guy. he won a huge battle, then gives the thalmor everything they wanted. losing all hammerfell and possibly skyrim in the process.
I'm guessing you are American? Lol I am and I'm gonna play rn just to kill him.
The Rogue Empire I know right
HOODYBOMBSTUBE are you inspired by me?!
Rogue Empire,
they lost every battle before that 1. They had no chance to win the war if it wouldnt be stopped.
That would’ve been an interesting way to end the civil war diplomatically. If you get that info on Ulfric being played, and can bring it to him, and have like a series of speech checks to convince him, and maybe have them end the civil war.
The Champion of Cyrodiil was a sneak character, Sheogorath vaguely mentions events in the Thieves guild and Dark Brotherhood and Sheogorath was the Champion of Cyrodiil.
He probably was a goddamn stealth Archer.
*Mysterious arrow hits thalmor leader in the back of the head*
The main outcome I have as head canon is the success of the peace talks, since without the dragonborn taking sides, evgir unslaad is most likely. An option I wish were included is to share Ulfric's dossier with him, but no such luck
Could y'all do a video on the future of the blades after the events in skyrim?! I'd like to think with a DB to lead them they could become stronger. I mean they have a lot of experience fighting the Thalmor (mostly losing) but with a DB backing them up could they be a contender for a new "Empire" or something of that nature. I'd love for y'all to go into detail on what you think.
Regarding the Roman Empire vs Christianity thing you really ought to read Michael Parenti's "History as Mystery". Christianity might on surface level seem like a problem for Imperial function but the actual material/political structure of the church serves to solidify power for whomever it supports. The adoption of Christianity by Constantine likely extended the dominance of the Roman Empire by centuries past its sell-by date.
Celes Tatiune
Very much this. Christianity reunited the Roman Empire after its adoption, and kept it going long past when it probably otherwise would have crumbled away. If we count the Byzantines in that list (whom had a lot of their reason for existence being Orthodoxy) then it extended them way into the 1400s. If not, it still held together for a couple centuries more.
Had Christianity not come to prop up it’s quickly-fracturing civilization it might have even went down shortly after Constantine’s time.
Then again, Christianity did away with many roman values...
I've given it some thought and initially I really wanted the Spellcrafting system from Oblivion. Now there's usually a good reason why cool things like that aren't carried on so I've come up with a solution. We would be given a Spell Merge ability either by itself or in each school that allows us to merge 2 spells at say 50% power. Then further perks could allow higher potency of combined spells or adding a 3rd or more spell to the mix. Another idea I can't take credit for but have really enjoyed is an ability called Spellscribe from a mod (I wish I knew which magick pack its from. I'll look it up.) Which allows you to store the spell you are dual casting to be released when you power attack. The mod does it at no magicka cost but I would add a reduced cost if I were to do it myself.
Ultimately, I want an easier experience when trying to use a variety of spells without going through so many menus. More hotkeys please. Combos? A then B triggers C?
I sided with the stormcloaks for a reformation of the ebonheart pact.
"the empire will fail, and there is nothing you can do about it!"
Me: pft, I'm helping them lose. I killed the empire for the dark brotherhood, I gave the stormcloaks all of the territories in the dragon crisis, I slaughtered the empires forces in skyrim for Ulfric, ect ect.
I'd think that internal problems in the dominion, specifically the thalmor pretty much oppressing their own people, would result in large scale rebellions when they decide to attack the empire again. Not to mention even though they hate them, the redguards would probably come to the empire's aid, and given some stuff in skyrim, paarthunax might see the aldmeri dominion as being just like alduin, wanting to enslave people, and might come to the empire's aid
I like how the Dragonborn finds evidence that proves a Thalmor conspiracy and doesn't bring it to anyone's attention on either side. I feel like that would be enough to unite Skyrim and Cyrodil against their already common enemy.
- Thalmor conquers Tamriel and slaves the races of humans.
- Some hero makes a pact with a divine entity and starts a rebellion (prob even Talos).
- It's the whole Alessia-Ayleid situation all over again, history repeating itself.
Kalpa
Very concise video, and I agree with much of it, however, I do not believe the Thalmor have the needed power to conquer the Empire anymore, based upon their two major losses in the last two wars, but they are looking to the future, and if the Civil War continues for many more decades, it would definitely play to their favor.
Yes, the Empire is crumbling from the inside, and the thalmor are aiding in this, we know in Skyrim that Maven is aligned with their interests, and the Empire would make her a Jarl in Skyrim... makes you wonder how many counts in cyrodiil are in the thalmors pockets?
Indeed you are right about Dagon being successful in the Oblivion crisis... and some of his followers are still actively fighting the Empire, I speak of course about the thalmor... sure, they claim that they fought the Daedra and closed Oblivion gates during the OC, but they also claimed to have restored the Moons after the void nights. I found it quite interesting in ESL that we discover that Lord Naarifin was trying to unseal the Gates of Oblivion in the Imperial City to allow the forces of Oblivion to flow through once again... I know some claim this to be a rouge action committed by a single thalmor agent, just as Ancanos actions were, but i'm not convinced, to me, this kind of action seems to be the thalmors MO.
Well, they do. Though you ignore the statements of the Generals, Thalmor and loading screens in Skyrim.
Maven is not alligned with their interests, all she cares for is herself, not the Thalmor. She respects power, that's it.
The Thalmor do not worship Dagon, they worship Boethiah and Mephala, not Dagon. Naarifin wasn't trying to unseal the Gates of Oblivion either; he was completing a prophecy which would grant him *one* Oblivion gate, with its Daedric forces.
Unless someone in high standing with Peryite manages to convince the Daedric Prince to pretty much hit the High Elves with the Genophage.
I wonder...What if the Time Wound’s usage caused a Dragon Break? This would allow the opportunity to have all possibilities to come true. Thus, allowing the next TES to take place after Skyrim in one of these many possibilities?
I just noticed while watching this vid that Tullius’ armor looks like it says “DOG” near the bottom of the breastplate. Coincidence? I think not
I’d really like the next game to talk about how the Dragonborn took the imperial throne and started a campaign against the elves
I think you are harsh on the penitus ocolatus if not the player they handily beat the dark brotherhood
Phillip Male and that one agent in the books
Id like Ulfric to canonically win. That way, he can team up with a dying Empire and its fractured provinces to take out the Thalmor as a threat
This is why I think TES 6 is in Hammerfell - it will be the last bastion of land not conquered by the Thalmor, and the Empire will have died in between 5 and 6 with the death of Titus Mede
Well this isn't a surprising conclusion from such Thalmor fanboys as you guys are, but you're focusing entirely on ways the Empire has failed and ignoring all the ways the Thalmor have. Hammerfell by itself (which had even been dealing with infighting of its own beforehand no less) fought their side of the Dominion invasion to a standstill (with the "unofficial" help of the "invalids" that were left behind when the Imperial legions of Hammerfell marched to the Imperial City, to maybe somewhat make up for the Empire tossing them aside), and the Dominion in Cyrodiil were ultimately decimated in the final battle. So, to be blunt, the White Gold Concordat saved the Dominion's ass as well, not just the Empire's; if they couldn't even take the single province of Hammerfell with no other opposition, they hardly would have beaten Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, High Rock *and* Skyrim. Who knows what the ultimate result would have been without the Concordat, but certainly the Dominion would not have come out well-off.
Now, with that in mind, consider the size of their respective territories and lifespans of their respective member races. High Elves are long-lived and thus reproduce at a much slower rate, they have to or else their island would have long since been overrun due to population increase. So they have one rather small country's worth of slow-reproducing elves, plus Valenwood and Elsweyr. Cyrodiil on the other hand, has a territory roughly 3x the size filled with humans who churn out kids like rabbits, and have High Rock, probably Hammerfell (it's not like they would want the Dominion to win after all that happened, despite the ill will from being abandoned) and potentially Skyrim to help them. Morrowind is also an Imperial province, but they're in no position to help anyone right now and if it's far off in the future then all this speculation is basically pointless given all that could happen. Given the same time to recuperate, the Empire has a massive advantage in replenishing their forces after the first war clearly decimated both sides. So honestly, there seems to be very little chance that the Dominion right now are better off than the Empire. They certainly have a good intelligence network, but we know next to nothing of the Penitus Oculatus so it's hardly fair to make judgments about their power.
Not only that, but if we're going to look at every way the Empire could possibly fail, let's take a look at the Dominion. Valenwood was annexed in a coup by Thalmor and their sympathizers and seems ruled by fear, they did not join the Dominion willingly as a nation. So Valenwood is very susceptible to being re-taken by the Empire or freed through internal revolution, though it's impossible to know how likely that is. Anequina and Pelletine are only client states, not directly ruled by the Thalmor, so it's also possible that they would stay out of conflicts that didn't specifically involve them; the Khajiit are not a warlike race in general, after all. That said, if the Thalmor could threaten to undo their supposed restoration of the moons then that would certainly be some good incentive for the Khajiit to do whatever they want. In any case, let's look at the worst-case scenario for the Thalmor as well: the replacement for Titus Mede II is a skilled and liked Emperor/Empress, Valenwood revolts, Aneqina and Pelletine remain uninvolved, and peace is made in Skyrim. That leaves Alinor against the combined might of Cyrodiil, High Rock, Hammerfell, Skyrim (who have all recuperated much more than Alinor has) and Valenwood, leaving them *far* worse off than they were in the first Great War, which they didn't even win. It would be a slaughter, barring unforeseen intervention.
So, the Empire WILL FAIL? Hardly. The Empire might fail. Or it might not. I don't really care one way or the other, it could be interesting to see what happens in a Dominion-ruled Tamriel (personally I'd prefer a more Akaviiri slant to the ES6 story though), but looking at it objectively it's pretty obvious that it's not a foregone conclusion and even in a best-case scenario the Thalmor do not have the power to take over all of the Empire.
The Dominion being able to easily win the Great War if they desired is canon though.
HeyImAName HeyImALastName First of all yes the Thalmor my have invaded and kicked the Impirals out of Valenwood but the Tiber did the same thing and Bosmer really don't like the empire ethier
Hjalti Early-Beard How can that be canon? Because someone said so? Unreliable narrators are par for the course for Elder Scrolls. Really, how could they have easily won the Great War when they couldn't even win the smaller and easier war in Hammerfell afterwards? Sure, the heart of the Empire may have fallen, Cyrodiil was in a bad way at the end so it's possible if they had gone all out that the Dominion could have taken Cyrodiil again, assuming the combined forces of Skyrim, High Rock and Hammerfell left Cyrodiil after that last battle.
But even if they did, that hardly wins them the war. If you remember, they did that once already, and the result was that the Dominion forces in Cyrodiil were utterly decimated by the combined armies of the Empire in the re-taking of the Imperial City.
A loading screen has no ''unreliable narrator'' as it's Bethesda itself speaking. Then you have the two sides: Empire and Dominion, both of which agree the Empire would have lost without the treaty.
I would disagree that the loading screen isn't unreliable. But all the loading screen says is that "only by signing the treaty was the Empire able to survive", it certainly says nothing about the Dominion being able to *easily* win or even survive itself. Like I said before, we can't know what would've happened exactly and certainly it's possible that the Dominion could've ransacked Cyrodiil again and maybe even destroyed the Empire as a ruling body if they left no Emperor or government intact, but it would unavoidably cost them even more losses to do so. And, again, the position they were in at the time of the signing was bad enough that they couldn't even defeat 1 army out of the 4 involved after it ended, so please do explain how they could've come out of a continued war with the entire Empire in any sort of advantageous position. It'd be more like mutual destruction if anything, as far as I can tell.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Hammerfell and Highrock secede due to the empire conceding their captured territory to the Thalmor? That being the case, the ideal scenario is that the Stormcloaks take over Skyrim and create a new alliance between the former provinces of man ala Daggerfall Covenant.
The empire died with Martin. Tamriels history has shown only one of dragon blood can rule a realm as large as the empire effectively.
Is that why each of the Dragonborn dynasties failed?
@@dutchpatriot17 let’s see, remans lasted over thousand years, only collapsed when the last remans were killed by tsaesci.
Septims, remains solvent until the last septim emperor dies, almost immediately loses over half its territory afterwards.
So yeah Since both of those empires only died after they had a non dragon blood on the throne I’d say yes.
@@perturabo7825 Let's just ignore the countless civil wars and the poor rulership of many of the Septim Emperors, right? If they were so great, they'd never have fallen.
It would make the most sense to have a Dragonborn become the new Emperor after Titus Mede.
Pfft, big deal. I'm a Stormcloak at heart anyways.
Says the glass of water
And then the worst imaginable outcome arrived, peace broke out.
In my playthroughs I always side with the Imperials solely due to Jarl Balgruuf of Whiterun, he's a total bro.
same... so can we like air high five?
I remember way back when I completed oblivion I suspected chancellor ocato of being a secret villian. He was the only member of the council left, all those empty chairs as well as those conversations in Chorrol Square about the summerset isles leaving the empire. He got assassinated huh.. dayum
You are forgetting about the Moot. No matter who wins during your play-through nothing is settled until the Moot selects the new High King of Skyrim. If Ulfric wins he does not seize the throne and the Moot still does not take place by the end of the game leaving that open to Bethesda to tie up that lose end in the next game. Elsif is left alive if you side with the Stormcloaks leaving it open for Bethesda to give her the throne still. Even if you side with the Empire Elsif does not seize the throne either, and the Moot is still to meet. Therefore it is not a tidy end to the civil war. You could and will still have a hold out group that will make problems as they will not like the out in some sort of violent #notmyhighking Nord movement. Another aspect to that is the camps of the opposing faction staying operational and hostile to you. Therefore no matter who you side with the civil war is never truly over. The losing side does not give up so there is no end.
Also I see the ending of both sides happening to be honest. If you side with the Stormcloaks Ulfric will most liking be written into the lore as being killed some how before the next game (assassination, a death to a duel challenge, or many other ways). Likewise if you side with the Empire I am sure General Tulius will also fall before the next game. Then the Moot will meet and select a new High King of Skyrim between the survivors. Most likely Elsif as she lives through all endings. Although I could see Maven Black-Briar assassinating Elsif to steal the tittle. no matter what they decide though the ending of civil war in the game stays so vague that all outcomes will most likely happen and they are free to truly end it how they want in the setup of the next game.
Haha, as if that'd be a fair moot.
You know that Ulfric didn't allow the Moot to meet before everyone supported his claim, right? The Moot in Ulfric's case is more of a formality. The Empire might be backing Elisif's claim, but they don't care who rules Skyrim, so long as he or she is loyal to them.
I ship it here. Ulfric and Maven.
It is not a matter if everyone Ulfric put in power supports him or not. The moot did not meet, and more than likely Ulfric will be dead before it crowns him king. The moot not being decided by the end of the game means it will be decided by Bethesda when they write the cannon of the next game. More than likely the vague ending of civil war means Ulfric will be dead no matter what side you choose. If he is dead it does not matter who supported his claim.
The point is that in a Stormcloak victory Ulfric *will* be High King, that's fact.
Hjalti Early-Beard yup then everyone else is fucked.
i am totally a Stormcloak-guy but the Emperor getting assassined may actually be good for the empire. Largely depends on how the next emperor is doing.
Should’ve had an thalmor invasion of Skyrim as a DLC, depending on which side you chosen a high elf sea invasion on windhelm or solitude or both, maybe random invasions on different hold when you are not there
Kinda looks like the empire started failing once Martin died.