Obviously it wouldn't end up being cost-effective but I wonder what delidding (or for gpu's, replacing the thermal paste) could do to the performance of these older products. Likely not anything significant and it obviously wouldn't be worth the effort but it's an interesting idea nonetheless.
Conroe-era Celerons are widely known for their overclocking capabilities, as their "smaller" architecture compared to their dual core counterparts made them run cooler under the same clock speed. This caused lots of overclocking challenges using the Celeron 420 and 450 as CPUs, as these challenges focus on clock speed rather than performance.
But in 2008 when it came out it was pretty much a cheap garbage CPU when it was brand new. Upgraded a lot of PCs that had these- practically ANY core 2, pentium, xeon, even other Celerons were better
"Core 2" was the successor to the "Core" architecture. It does not relate to the core count. That was the moniker added afterward, i.e. "Duo" or "Quad".
Quick note: I worked on online sales for an electronics provider back in '08. We sold many PC options preassembled by our team, yet the cheapest, slowest turd we ever fit one with was the Celeron 420. Targeted to emerging markets, it was about a Celeron 450 but clocked to 1.6GHz, making it even worse. The backlash was quite heavy, with people noticing that they had thrown over 250 bucks on a desktop that struggled with anything more than Windows XP and a couple tasks at the same time.
I had an old Packard bell back in ,2000 ISH it come from curry i think £1000 with millennium. I put xp on it and it nearly died it just couldn't take it then we got broadband and it really wasn't happy. I can't find the model number but it had 64mb ram and I believe a 468mhz CPU. It was terrible before it came out of the box.
It boggles my mind how you can hamper any c2 chip bad enough to perform so poorly. Then again I have always dodged celerons like bullets, even the old classic highly overclock able ones as anyone I ever used always felt laggy like bad input latency.
@@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r that’s CPU manufacturers making profit from every chip possible. Even when design is the same and they’re produced in big wafers, producing chips with the complexity and circuit density needed is a quite complex and risky task, and you often end up with some sub par chips, which mostly crash under heavy workloads or CPU-intensive gaming scenarios, but they can be quite stable at lower speeds. This is being done before the pre-Pentium era and allows to make use of otherwise faulty chips.
@@TechforMusicAI Yes I am aware of binning and what it is and does, the fact that they would even sell a chip that is apparently so faulty that it performs this way is sad, at that point it is basically defective trash. How many features and function of a c2d have to be broken for it to perform so poorly, it is obviously more than just one broken core and some cache.
I have a few old Celeron D 352's, 347's and such because they were such a monster to overclock and held records for many-a-years until the 13th/14th gen came around. It held the top spots for nearly 10 years with FX mixing in between them and then another almost 10 years when the 13/14th gen started appearing, which blew past both in frequency. They were quite the chips back in the day even with only 1 core.
No one is probably going to read this or care, but the BSOD was probably because of the overclock. 0x124 is WHEA_Unocorrectable_Error which is a hardware issue with the CPU or a PCIe device. The first parameters being 0x0 tells us that it's the CPU. The fourth parameter can be decoded using Intel's programming manual to see that the error was an Internal Timer error with the CPU.
One of my classmates had a Celeron 420, 4GB of RAM and a fully-bloated installation of Windows 10 back in High School days. Imagine the pain and suffering she had to take to do any task on that thing...
I'm going to assume it was inventory that wasn't supposed to still be for sale, but marked down to a penny as a way to flag it as needing to be removed from the sales floor.
Hell, I've seen LGA775 Motherboards with NVME support. (Although my understanding is they don't supporting booting, unfortunately) It's likely just nostalgia because I rocked the platform for over a decade and still keep it as my HTPC, but it's probably my favorite PC platform still.
And SATA III 6Gb/s, 3-way SLI, if you bought a high-end motherboard at the end of LGA775 lifecycle, literally the only thing you would complain about after few years is the socket itself. LGA1156 was out at the time that these motherboards were available and it had 4 cores 8 threaded i7 and Xeons which are still holding up pretty well in games (other than lack of AVX) so most of these motherboards were only for enthusiast as they weren't really budget options.
LGA775 is still kind of alive in the industrial scene as a replacement for truly end of life 80s and 90s hardware used to drive machinery, unless you need a few less supported things like ISA DMA or -5 volts without mods. These motherboards are strange to look at as they'll have old stuff like connectivity for floppy, VGA, ISA, IDE, and Compact Flash, new(er) stuff like DDR3, PCIe, and SATA 2, yet be missing stuff in the middle like EISA and 64-bit PCI.
The LGA 775 era was awesome. Pentium Dual Cores,Celerons,Core 2 Duo and Quad ran very cool on stock coolers and they overclocked very well. I had a E2140 OC up to 2.8ghz with stock voltage and stock cooler. CPU was a beast
These processors were GIGANTIC upgrades compared to pretty much any single core NetBurst CPU back in the day. Much much faster than Celeron Ds, and similar performance of P4s while being extremely cool. Especially the 420 and 430 were good overclockers as well. I've reached 3.00 GHz on the 420 (1.60 GHz stock) with JUST the stock cooler. That's how efficient these chips were. Of course, being a Celeron AND a single core, you pretty much only bought these CPUs if you were broke. Certainly my case back in the day. If you wanted to surpass P4 levels of performance or even Pentium D, Pentium Dual-Core or a low-end Core 2 Duo were the way to go if you were on limited budget.
@@fungo6631 Merom was really the best thing to ever happen to Intel in the 2000s. Your current desktop architecture is a dead end, and on mobile they were doing SO BAD you ended up selling the last generation (Pentium III-M) along with them for quite a while. So, what do you do? You grab your last gen architecture (P6), modernize THE HELL OUTTA IT (Pentium M), turn it into a dual core (Core Duo), bring it to 64-bit (Core 2 Duo), and end up with such a good product you switch your entire desktop product line with it (Conroe). Keep in mind that this took quite a while to accomplish. I've seen reports of the Merom project actually starting all the way back to 2001 (one year after NetBurst's release - almost as if some engineers at Intel knew P4 wasn't gonna do great), and it was a plan divided in the multiple parts I mentioned. Great job, guys.
@@mikavsn Basically P4 has a pipeline that stalls, while Celeron D has a pipeline that stalls AND a cache that stalls. The Celeron 400 Series all have a cache that stalls. But a much more efficient 14-staged pipeline.
Sitting here watching this on a Core2 Quad Q9650 OC'd to 3.7 ghz with a 1050 TI, and at 1080P & no issues frame skipping.10GB DDR3 too. 775 is definitely a legendary socket. They still do relatively good for daily driver tasks.
That's a Yorkfield part that came out a year later. I suspect the 12MB (24x of the Celeron featured here) of L2 cache helps a lot with keeping your system relevant. The minor miracle of PCs is that yes, a mid to high end rig from 2008 is still quite usable 14 years later so long as your expectations are appropriate.
economics is so weird. Think of all the insane processing that bit of silicon sand went through to eventually become worth less than a fruit picked from a tree
I was thinking the same thing. The amount of precision engineering that is required to make something like this, not to mention the labour put into extracting the raw materials needed and it's virtually being given away. What a strange world we live in.
Well I mean it's about usefulness it's something that can't run much from the last decade and is pegged out from stuff from 20 years ago a car isn't valuable as a car if the motors blown, transmissions bad, and have 2 tires to someone who needs a car and with silicone chips their is no getting under the hood to increase performance so no matter how much engineering and care some designers engineers and factory workers used to assemble that car to someone who needs a functional vehicle that's worth scrap price
The fact that most of the games you benchmarked would've been very playable on 480p is kind of insane. For someone who doesn't have any other option, that wouldn't be half bad. Great work on this video man!
That's the problem. "Doesn't have any other option". I doubt that scenario actually sticks in the real world. You either have something that's at least better than this option, or you have no access to any computer (or even electricity) at all. I mean this chip is getting rare because anyone that used it, doesn't anymore.
If I can remember my windows 7 bsod stop codes correctly and it has been well over a decade since I last ran into these codes, 0x124 is usually memory controller or RAM voltage related, most often seen in conjunction with overclocking, but not always, usually when it's overclocking related you'll see 0x101 first if the core voltage is too low, and as you stabilise the core you'll get 0x124 instead. Because you have ddr3 in that system it's probably running at either 800MT/s or 1066MT/s, and if you're really lucky it might be 1333MT/s, but that is a very high end motherboard that can reach those speeds and in any case it's pushing the memory controller beyond what it can reasonably do at the current settings.
i like your rant about companies and anti consumer i still use windows 7 in modern day and seeing games slowly drop support only because of launchers / stupid stuff is really annoying
I always like to use the analogy to people that a car bought in 2000 can still be perfectly fine for use now 24 years later if it was looked after, but computers and software is not the same. The stuff evolves too quickly still, so you can't get the same kinda life spans out of the equipment. Like it or not, Win 7 is 15 years old now and most essential software will not run on the platform anymore. It's the painful price we pay
@craigmurray4746 yeah people complain that their out of box Anthon 64 system won't run windows 10 seemingly to forget that if you want to run modern stuff you have to run a modern system of these are people who think that at the base of our entire system that theirs some reel to reel holding the entire system together
@@bluespidergaming7719 _Athlon 64 system won't run windows 10_ This is news to me. I ran 1607 or 1703 on an Athlon 64 X2, and I see no reason why it wouldn't run on the single-core variant (though dead slow). Said machine had a SATA SSD however, making it surprisingly usable.
"Who would buy a 1 cent LGA 775 processor at CEX?" Me. I would. And you bet your RAM sticks imma overclock experiment and have fun with this thing so much until it either breaks or i make a decent computer to donate 😂
@@lordofhyphens it certainly would make things that are already usable even more usable, especially on something like Linux, plus, hey, these things are 1 cent, if you get 100 of them surely you can find some amazing silicon lottery winner among them
Only different between those and the 460 is the clock speed. You can quite comfortable overclock a 420 up to 3 GHz and it will just hold it with an appropriate cooler.
Those were actually planned to be one of the *Core 2 Solo* series, as they were Core 2 Solo CPUs with only 512 KB of L2 cache (inbetween, the Pentium Dual-Core CPUs had 1MB of L2 cache, while Core 2 had 2 or 4 MB of L2 cache). But Intel decided to put them in the *Celeron* part of the whole Conroe lineup. They were unofficially called « _Milleville_ ».
Imagine my shock when you said that the CPU didint have a fighting chance with Crysis, I personally thought it looked pretty decent. Man the trauma that growing up with an I3 2100 and a GT 420 gives you, really changes your view on things
@@tyler6602yes, after buying a proper pc i cant bear to play on my core 2 duo laptop any more, dont know how i managed with 30 fps in minecraft 1.12.2 for 4 years.
"Core 2" was the architecture. "Duo" was the name of the dual core processors and "Quad" of the quad core. So this could possible have been called a "Solo", but it isn't. It is a Core 2 Celeron.
I think if you add the word based in there, it makes it clearer as in Core 2 based Celeron, or Skylake based Pentium. Intel moving to a generation based system helped vs the numerical Core 2 system.
To add to the confusion, Conroe had 4 names of desktop processors. There was not a 4-core. Core 2 Duo (3 FSB options and 2 cache among the SKUs) Core 2 Extreme (only one part) Pentium (Single core, 800MHz FSB, 1mb cache) Celeron (single core, 800MHz FSB, 512K cache)
13:24 This 0x00000124 STOP code is likely related to the overclock. Specifically, Vcc/core is too low at the moment of the crash (vdroop). I wasn't paying close attention to the setup portion, but increasing load-line calibration might help if that's available. I have completely forgotten what kind of voltage options there are on mid-2000s equipment so I could be talking nonsense right now.
I think the real novelty was using a hand-me-down desktop with a Celeron-D in 2010 and actually wishing I could achieve this level of quality out of my CPU.
Thank you so much for covering this little CPU! I've got almost the entire family (the 420, two 430s, and the 450) but haven't had the time to test them out like you did here. I saw a video on PhlisComputerLab's channel where he did a 100% overclock on the (blazing fast) 420, and I believe you also commented on that video. I would love to see you get your hands on a 420 yourself! Edit: Apparently there is a "mythical" CPU in this family, the Celeron 460. If it DOES exist, you'd probably become a legend if you somehow obtained it
0:06 Wait, how exactly do you access their website? I live in Belgium, we don't have any CEX's, but the Netherlands do. And for years now I haven't been able to access their website (and everyone I asked about it says they can't properly access either). And when I heard you say that I went to check the UK website and exactly the same thing happens there. Please, teach me the secret to getting to this website! 🥺
I live in Hungary, but I can access their website with UK vpn. The only problem is, that they are not shipping outside of the UK. Only british postcodes avaliable
This cpu with an radeon x600 or x700 would be great for windows 98, add the Dosbox emulator with it and then you got decent retro rig. Windows XP Service pack 2 is also a good contender with more support of better graphics cards and games.
I have a single core 1.2ghz amd processor with 2 gb of 1066mhz ram and igpu. I'm running tiny 10 on it and the os runs okay. Games don't, although I got halflife to work. It's probably a newer architecture though.
Honestly, the performance being this good makes a lot of sense - at single core level, CPU performance improvements have slowed down dramatically compared to the 80s through the early 2000s. Most of the recent improvements in the last 15-20 years have been additional cores, larger caches, efficiency improvements and the like. You can get a 12 year old Intel Xeon that has raw benchmarks on par with a first gen Ryzen for around 20 quid. The efficiency is terrible though, 3-4x more power compared to the modern equivalent.
Celeron 450 is a Conroe-L architecture. They are chip harvests from Core2 Duo Allendale with one faulty core disabled. And half the faulty L2 cache disabled.
Everyone's probably sick of seeing comments like this, but for "no man's land" PCs like this that fit neither into modern nor retro, low overhead Linux distros really are your best option in terms of having software that is both usable and modern as opposed to being mutually exclusive. This Celeron even supports x86-64, which makes things a lot easier as finding up-to-date 32-bit only distributions is becoming increasingly difficult. Admittedly using Linux puts a sizable dent into the gaming aspect. There is Proton, but I have no idea how that is handled with a machine of this age. Probably not all that well given how "a little" overhead on a modern computer means something completely different on something like a single core Celeron.
My celly 440 (may have been 430.. I can't remember) ran xbmc on Linux (when it first made the jump from Xbox to PC) like a champ. It had a motherboard with an on-board Nvidia 9400 which did all the heavy lifting of video decoding meaning even this turd of a CPU could just get on with handling menus and stuff
Worst case scenario, also keep Lutris around with your Linux as soon as you install the distro, cause often it has community made configuration scripts that automatically get applied when installing the games, ESPECIALLY with GOG ones, since I noticed Budget here uses those versions when possible (like with Crysis). Makes a guy who casually has Linux on his previous desktop (me) not have to scratch his head troubleshooting.
That’s a pretty nice socket protector you got there! Honestly though, it’s pretty crazy that an actual socket protector would probably cost the same as one of these.
As an American, I can say that I wish we had anything like CEX here. I have something close, called Re-PC, but CEX seems a bit better for some things. At least from an outside perspective.
I just swapped one of these out for a 8400 in my under-desk backup and squeezed Tiny11 on it with zero issues, 775 was fun back in the day and super cheap to tinker around with now...nice vid man.
i bought an i7 870 for 20€ and a gtx 1060 and it's an quite ok pc handling forza horizon with max graphics running at over 60fps i i only knew about the rx580
@@joefish6091 I mean the later generations of VIA CPUs were targeted for specific use cases. And you have to consider that they were competing with single-core CPUs that were clocked a lot higher, but which were majorly power hungry and generated a lot of heat.
I think it's great that you also include emulation in the benchmarks, this is an area that is otherwise often overlooked. I grew up with emulation and played a lot of GBA games on the PC as a child. We had a CD that my parents got from friends that had GBA games and an emulator on it. I liked playing a game similar to Mario Party where you had to collect crystals in the world to prevent a yellow bird from being petrified. There were different animals to choose from. It was like a board game with mini-games after each round. No idea what the game is called.
"Core 2" is the successor to the "Core" design. What you are doing is confusing the name. Like expecting a Zen 2 CPU to have two cores because there is a 2 in the architecture name.
I have one of those!... As a keychain. It was, uh, probably working before I drilled a hole through it? I didn't check, but I think it's way more useful as a keychain than it could ever be in a PC. I didn't specifically buy it either, but some guy I bought a motherboard from years ago threw it in as a socket protector (which, to be fair, it is also good at) :D
9:10 Absolutely my opinion Windows 7 is just legendary Tried to develop a website NodeJS would never install not even with extended kernel not even older versions If it still was supported by software i would also still be using it.
I found a Conroe-L celeron 440 once... I wanted it for a low power system and was able to underclock and undervolt such that i was able to run it fanless... It then lived in my XBMC box until it was replaced with a raspberry pi
I really don't want to be 'that guy' but it would be interesting seeing this run Linux Mint xfce with Steam and proton... is there still a little more cpu power left in there... while Linux isn't the panacea for everything, it is lighter and that's what we're trying to do here, plus it's more secure than Win7, as good as that was.
Ya, I found a discarded single core AMD Phenom desktop system while back and I was also surprised how poor it ran doing anything. I bought a Phenom II triple core CPU used on ebay for like $11 and it completely revived the system to a very usable state.
Had a Celeron once. Dropped $45 on a Core 2 Duo and the system ran way faster. The Celeron would crash running Minecraft on the lowest possible settings. The Core 2 Duo could run Minecraft on mediumish with no crashes.
I really loved these (actually the celeron 420) for upgrading pentium 3ish systems. Cpu, ram, hard drive and motherboard could be had extremely cheap and the budget motherboards would support the atx standards and the anemic power supplies actually had an easier time. Performance in office/home use, sorting and archiving photos from digital cameras, basic internet use, all very responsive on par with the e6400@3.4ghz I had in my own system with just a slight overclock.
Might be interesting to try it on some even older or lighter OSes. Could be really good for a Windows 98 or Windows XP build. Also, it'd be interesting to see how it does with a real lightweight linux build.
I think most of the problems you found are tied to the big weakness of this processors (apart from having a single core): A very small cache. The same problem applied to the famous (in the time) Celeron E2160, that were overclocking beasts and were a nice value for the money.
The launcher issue, worth mentioning, also works (or doesn’t work) in the other direction. I had some games that they couldn’t be bothered to actually adjust a bit to actually work properly on windows 10. I think I remember GTA3 (the real one, not the trilogy ver.) literally required a fan patch to even launch on windows 10. And some games don’t run properly without forced FPS settings in Nvidia Settings… all because some of those older games weren’t designed for folks who run a screen faster than 60hz (my laptop has a 120hz display), something I can kinda get around if I plug in an external monitor it turns out.
The original price was $53, which is strange as the dual core Celeron E1500 came out at the same time and cost the same. By the way I looked at the list of Celerons of that time, they made a workstation Celeron Conroe-CL, a single model, the Celeron 445 on the socket 771 socket. That is very odd.
Instead of stalling like a netburst, I think it's taking too much time going to DRAM since it has no L3 cache (why would the customers need em am I right?), so yeah, it's still stalling just in a different sorta weird way
I've built a bunch of POS systems and some touchscreen DMX lighting controllers for nightclubs back in the day with these (E420-E440) and the dualcore variants (E1200/E1400). They were cheap (compared to "real"/full-fat Core 2 CPUs), did the job more than adequately with XP embedded (or a stripped down version of regular XP Pro) and most importantly, you could easily cool these passively, which in case of those use case examples means one less mechanical part to potentially fail causing downtime. This was especially true in the nightclub environment situation, because back then smoking wasn't banned yet (= tar residue clogging up regular coolers) and things like artificial fog from smoke machines is HELL on anything with forced airflow, similar to chainsmoking
LGA775 was such a fun socket. I have so many builds where i could just swap parts and cpus. So fun, i eventually modified the bios to run a Xeon quad Extreme! I gave it to a friend when i built this pc. I had that pc ruining strong for a solid 12 years!!! All my gaming and editing!
I was so annoyed when Gta V stopped working on windows 7. It's so unfair companies go out of their way to stop people from using it. What harm is it to them? I can understand the need to update things, I understand that security is an issue, but why don't they just stop windows 7 users from accessing the online part? Why do they brick the game so it doesn't work at all?! The game came out when windows 10 didn't even exist!
I had the celeron 420, at the time the cheapest cpu of this series, it cost new only 20 euros with boxed cooler. I was able to overclock it to 3.8ghz with a good cpu cooler (scythe kama cross, I still had this cooler from my old Pentium 4). since it was a 1.6ghz cpu, more than a 100% overclock. The cpu was still too slow for gaming (too little cache I think) and I quickly replaced it for a Core2Duo E8400 when I had the money for it.
If you are the person that emailed in saying you bought 5 of these, do let me know how the overclocking goes 👍
That's crazy.... Thanks for the awesome video!!
Obviously it wouldn't end up being cost-effective but I wonder what delidding (or for gpu's, replacing the thermal paste) could do to the performance of these older products.
Likely not anything significant and it obviously wouldn't be worth the effort but it's an interesting idea nonetheless.
I mean for 0.01£ you can get every one they have in stock and feel like a true enthusiast.
Conroe-era Celerons are widely known for their overclocking capabilities, as their "smaller" architecture compared to their dual core counterparts made them run cooler under the same clock speed.
This caused lots of overclocking challenges using the Celeron 420 and 450 as CPUs, as these challenges focus on clock speed rather than performance.
CeX is now selling this cpu for 10p, your video has managed to increase its value tenfold!
Insane though to think this processor would be mind blowing in the 90's lol.
The DX2/66 then the DX4/100, then the Am486 DX4-120, good times.
@@joefish6091 I had a DX2-80 back in the day. Now I'm rocking an AMD DX4/120.
Would be interesting to see how this 1p cpu could run 95/98/XP
But in 2008 when it came out it was pretty much a cheap garbage CPU when it was brand new. Upgraded a lot of PCs that had these- practically ANY core 2, pentium, xeon, even other Celerons were better
@@kellyoneal5498 Calling it "garbage" is a judgement, whereas cheap is just a factual matter.
That's not a Core 2 Duo, thats a Core 1 Uno
"Core 2" was the successor to the "Core" architecture. It does not relate to the core count. That was the moniker added afterward, i.e. "Duo" or "Quad".
There was a line of mobile chips carrying the Core 2 Solo name
😂😂😂😂
@@AutieTortie...It's a joke, dude. Most folks in this comment section probably already KNOW that, so get your "UMMM, ackshually ☝🏻🤓" shit outta here.
For $0.01, that's incredible value for the performance you get. Its not much performance but its there. Somewhere.
$/frame is off the chart
$/frame is off the chart
if u think about it, its the best price to preformance cpu in the world
They've made it 10p now ffs, too expensive
I would buy a bunch of them. It probably contains 0.03$ worth of gold and maybe some copper and nickel.
Quick note: I worked on online sales for an electronics provider back in '08. We sold many PC options preassembled by our team, yet the cheapest, slowest turd we ever fit one with was the Celeron 420. Targeted to emerging markets, it was about a Celeron 450 but clocked to 1.6GHz, making it even worse.
The backlash was quite heavy, with people noticing that they had thrown over 250 bucks on a desktop that struggled with anything more than Windows XP and a couple tasks at the same time.
Have you seen the dross PCs for sale at small town Wally worlds, horrible horrible PCs for 500. all the gunk the bigger places could not sell.
I had an old Packard bell back in ,2000 ISH it come from curry i think £1000 with millennium. I put xp on it and it nearly died it just couldn't take it then we got broadband and it really wasn't happy. I can't find the model number but it had 64mb ram and I believe a 468mhz CPU. It was terrible before it came out of the box.
It boggles my mind how you can hamper any c2 chip bad enough to perform so poorly. Then again I have always dodged celerons like bullets, even the old classic highly overclock able ones as anyone I ever used always felt laggy like bad input latency.
@@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r that’s CPU manufacturers making profit from every chip possible.
Even when design is the same and they’re produced in big wafers, producing chips with the complexity and circuit density needed is a quite complex and risky task, and you often end up with some sub par chips, which mostly crash under heavy workloads or CPU-intensive gaming scenarios, but they can be quite stable at lower speeds.
This is being done before the pre-Pentium era and allows to make use of otherwise faulty chips.
@@TechforMusicAI Yes I am aware of binning and what it is and does, the fact that they would even sell a chip that is apparently so faulty that it performs this way is sad, at that point it is basically defective trash. How many features and function of a c2d have to be broken for it to perform so poorly, it is obviously more than just one broken core and some cache.
thank you for still making content that doesn't turn $$$ components into "budget"
Yeah, gotta put budget on anything under $1000
"do not close the warning, it crashes the game" 🤣 thats a load-bearing warning
The warning boosts performance because its red. :>
ywnbaw
@@buttercrisisbruh
@@buttercrisis the funniest part is the suggestion to translate this to english
"These are my 2 cents about it" it's even less than that lads.
He should have said "my 2 CPUs" instead lol
No Cents involved. Was a penny as in 1p, which 0.013 dollars. So Y $?
+2
Held back by the GPU. Get a 4090 in there to unlock the raw single core performance.
I don't think bottleneck would even be accurate to describe that gap
It's like draining an ocean though a pinhole
@@ewbaiteI used to say put out a fire by squirting water through a straw.
In that case 7900XTX would perform way better that the 4090. Drivers overhead
I wonder if there would be a measurable improvement. As in, scientifically measurable
I have a few old Celeron D 352's, 347's and such because they were such a monster to overclock and held records for many-a-years until the 13th/14th gen came around. It held the top spots for nearly 10 years with FX mixing in between them and then another almost 10 years when the 13/14th gen started appearing, which blew past both in frequency.
They were quite the chips back in the day even with only 1 core.
the paper that the receipt is printed on probably costs more than the processor lol
And may have had better performance on some of the games, despite being a piece of paper.
They've made it 10p now ffs, too expensive
Probably still more stable than Intel's 13th & 14th gen processors😂
To be fair. If you cranked this CPU up to 3000 watts, running at 500 degrees, it would perform about as well.
Crazy
knew someone would make this comment
Than
@@SSJfraz "If you cranked this CPU up to 3000 watts, running at 500 degrees, it would perform about as well"
Intel: write that down, write that down!
No one is probably going to read this or care, but the BSOD was probably because of the overclock. 0x124 is WHEA_Unocorrectable_Error which is a hardware issue with the CPU or a PCIe device. The first parameters being 0x0 tells us that it's the CPU. The fourth parameter can be decoded using Intel's programming manual to see that the error was an Internal Timer error with the CPU.
One of my classmates had a Celeron 420, 4GB of RAM and a fully-bloated installation of Windows 10 back in High School days. Imagine the pain and suffering she had to take to do any task on that thing...
uhm.. my friend gifted me the same fucking thing, windows 10 last used around 15th september 2020 max. I parted it out
Plus side, you can take a nap, shower, and coffee before the login screen
Really loving the return to form and upload schedule! It’s always a good morning to hear that intro jingle, and of course - “the benchmarks”
Considering an E-8400 is $2... I mean who can't spend a $1.99 for the upgrade.?
Thats 200 times more expensive
ngl i did wanna see what the next tier would get lol, i'd call minor dollars the next tier. 10 dollars the 3rd tier, 25 4th, 50 5th, 100 6th.
@@KeinNiemand Yeah, put 200 of those together instead. Core Duo Hundred > E-8400.
@@CyPhaSaRin i ran csgo with c2q 9400 with over 100fps on average. With AMD HD 6770
Better have 200x the performance @@KeinNiemand
Damn, the fact that u just got a processor for like $0.01 is just mind-blowing for me!
And very interesting to watch this video! Thank You!
I'm going to assume it was inventory that wasn't supposed to still be for sale, but marked down to a penny as a way to flag it as needing to be removed from the sales floor.
@@MasicoreLord yea maybe..
Don't diss the modernity of LGA775, later iterations also had USB 3.0 support, that's huge, revolutionary even, imagine the speeds!
He did mention that the Core 2 Quad still holds up quite well.
Hell, I've seen LGA775 Motherboards with NVME support. (Although my understanding is they don't supporting booting, unfortunately) It's likely just nostalgia because I rocked the platform for over a decade and still keep it as my HTPC, but it's probably my favorite PC platform still.
And SATA III 6Gb/s, 3-way SLI, if you bought a high-end motherboard at the end of LGA775 lifecycle, literally the only thing you would complain about after few years is the socket itself. LGA1156 was out at the time that these motherboards were available and it had 4 cores 8 threaded i7 and Xeons which are still holding up pretty well in games (other than lack of AVX) so most of these motherboards were only for enthusiast as they weren't really budget options.
LGA775 is still kind of alive in the industrial scene as a replacement for truly end of life 80s and 90s hardware used to drive machinery, unless you need a few less supported things like ISA DMA or -5 volts without mods. These motherboards are strange to look at as they'll have old stuff like connectivity for floppy, VGA, ISA, IDE, and Compact Flash, new(er) stuff like DDR3, PCIe, and SATA 2, yet be missing stuff in the middle like EISA and 64-bit PCI.
The LGA 775 era was awesome. Pentium Dual Cores,Celerons,Core 2 Duo and Quad ran very cool on stock coolers and they overclocked very well. I had a E2140 OC up to 2.8ghz with stock voltage and stock cooler. CPU was a beast
These processors were GIGANTIC upgrades compared to pretty much any single core NetBurst CPU back in the day. Much much faster than Celeron Ds, and similar performance of P4s while being extremely cool. Especially the 420 and 430 were good overclockers as well. I've reached 3.00 GHz on the 420 (1.60 GHz stock) with JUST the stock cooler. That's how efficient these chips were.
Of course, being a Celeron AND a single core, you pretty much only bought these CPUs if you were broke. Certainly my case back in the day. If you wanted to surpass P4 levels of performance or even Pentium D, Pentium Dual-Core or a low-end Core 2 Duo were the way to go if you were on limited budget.
I.e. it was basically a Pentium 3 on really strong steroids and some modern instructions.
@@fungo6631 Merom was really the best thing to ever happen to Intel in the 2000s. Your current desktop architecture is a dead end, and on mobile they were doing SO BAD you ended up selling the last generation (Pentium III-M) along with them for quite a while. So, what do you do? You grab your last gen architecture (P6), modernize THE HELL OUTTA IT (Pentium M), turn it into a dual core (Core Duo), bring it to 64-bit (Core 2 Duo), and end up with such a good product you switch your entire desktop product line with it (Conroe).
Keep in mind that this took quite a while to accomplish. I've seen reports of the Merom project actually starting all the way back to 2001 (one year after NetBurst's release - almost as if some engineers at Intel knew P4 wasn't gonna do great), and it was a plan divided in the multiple parts I mentioned. Great job, guys.
Thanks i was looking how different between p4
@@mikavsn Basically P4 has a pipeline that stalls, while Celeron D has a pipeline that stalls AND a cache that stalls.
The Celeron 400 Series all have a cache that stalls. But a much more efficient 14-staged pipeline.
Sitting here watching this on a Core2 Quad Q9650 OC'd to 3.7 ghz with a 1050 TI, and at 1080P & no issues frame skipping.10GB DDR3 too.
775 is definitely a legendary socket. They still do relatively good for daily driver tasks.
That's a Yorkfield part that came out a year later. I suspect the 12MB (24x of the Celeron featured here) of L2 cache helps a lot with keeping your system relevant.
The minor miracle of PCs is that yes, a mid to high end rig from 2008 is still quite usable 14 years later so long as your expectations are appropriate.
economics is so weird. Think of all the insane processing that bit of silicon sand went through to eventually become worth less than a fruit picked from a tree
I was thinking the same thing. The amount of precision engineering that is required to make something like this, not to mention the labour put into extracting the raw materials needed and it's virtually being given away. What a strange world we live in.
Well I mean it's about usefulness it's something that can't run much from the last decade and is pegged out from stuff from 20 years ago a car isn't valuable as a car if the motors blown, transmissions bad, and have 2 tires to someone who needs a car and with silicone chips their is no getting under the hood to increase performance so no matter how much engineering and care some designers engineers and factory workers used to assemble that car to someone who needs a functional vehicle that's worth scrap price
You an easy the same about many things. Usually they're just thrown away.
The fact that most of the games you benchmarked would've been very playable on 480p is kind of insane. For someone who doesn't have any other option, that wouldn't be half bad. Great work on this video man!
Sadly on CPU Side limitations resolution wouldn’t make performance below 720p.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial That is sad! But you still gave it another chance at life, and that is what matters!!
That's the problem. "Doesn't have any other option". I doubt that scenario actually sticks in the real world. You either have something that's at least better than this option, or you have no access to any computer (or even electricity) at all. I mean this chip is getting rare because anyone that used it, doesn't anymore.
If I can remember my windows 7 bsod stop codes correctly and it has been well over a decade since I last ran into these codes, 0x124 is usually memory controller or RAM voltage related, most often seen in conjunction with overclocking, but not always, usually when it's overclocking related you'll see 0x101 first if the core voltage is too low, and as you stabilise the core you'll get 0x124 instead.
Because you have ddr3 in that system it's probably running at either 800MT/s or 1066MT/s, and if you're really lucky it might be 1333MT/s, but that is a very high end motherboard that can reach those speeds and in any case it's pushing the memory controller beyond what it can reasonably do at the current settings.
good tangent about gta near the end, I respect you even more now :)
Absolutely loving the regularity of the new videos! Keep ‘em coming!
i like your rant about companies and anti consumer i still use windows 7 in modern day and seeing games slowly drop support only because of launchers / stupid stuff is really annoying
I always like to use the analogy to people that a car bought in 2000 can still be perfectly fine for use now 24 years later if it was looked after, but computers and software is not the same. The stuff evolves too quickly still, so you can't get the same kinda life spans out of the equipment. Like it or not, Win 7 is 15 years old now and most essential software will not run on the platform anymore. It's the painful price we pay
@craigmurray4746 yeah people complain that their out of box Anthon 64 system won't run windows 10 seemingly to forget that if you want to run modern stuff you have to run a modern system of these are people who think that at the base of our entire system that theirs some reel to reel holding the entire system together
@@bluespidergaming7719 _Athlon 64 system won't run windows 10_
This is news to me. I ran 1607 or 1703 on an Athlon 64 X2, and I see no reason why it wouldn't run on the single-core variant (though dead slow). Said machine had a SATA SSD however, making it surprisingly usable.
Thank you for using Windows 7, guys. It makes hacking your discord easier
@@pootispiker2866 thats what microsoft wants you to believe lol
27:32 that "oh" i felt that
"Who would buy a 1 cent LGA 775 processor at CEX?" Me. I would. And you bet your RAM sticks imma overclock experiment and have fun with this thing so much until it either breaks or i make a decent computer to donate 😂
Honestly I wouldn't expect an overclock to save anything. There's only 512k of cache on this poor thing.
@@lordofhyphens it certainly would make things that are already usable even more usable, especially on something like Linux, plus, hey, these things are 1 cent, if you get 100 of them surely you can find some amazing silicon lottery winner among them
@@violetlobo892 I tried Debian with a 3ghz celeron. It was too much. I think these need very old lightweight Linux to run good.
@@violetlobo892 Maybe melting them down could net you something better than a dollar
@@gluttonousmaximus9048 😈🔥🤖
damn, I was close... I guessed Celeron 420, LOL
That's also what I guessed lol
As there unfortunately is no 42069 celeron, that was the best possible guess.
I had one of those! (also from CEX but cost £0.10)
Me too, but its more or less the same, so we won :D
Only different between those and the 460 is the clock speed. You can quite comfortable overclock a 420 up to 3 GHz and it will just hold it with an appropriate cooler.
Those were actually planned to be one of the *Core 2 Solo* series, as they were Core 2 Solo CPUs with only 512 KB of L2 cache (inbetween, the Pentium Dual-Core CPUs had 1MB of L2 cache, while Core 2 had 2 or 4 MB of L2 cache). But Intel decided to put them in the *Celeron* part of the whole Conroe lineup. They were unofficially called « _Milleville_ ».
Imagine my shock when you said that the CPU didint have a fighting chance with Crysis, I personally thought it looked pretty decent.
Man the trauma that growing up with an I3 2100 and a GT 420 gives you, really changes your view on things
Also on top of that watching 20-30fps gameplay isn't near as bad as actually playing at 20-30fps lol
@@tyler6602yes, after buying a proper pc i cant bear to play on my core 2 duo laptop any more, dont know how i managed with 30 fps in minecraft 1.12.2 for 4 years.
"Core 2" was the architecture. "Duo" was the name of the dual core processors and "Quad" of the quad core. So this could possible have been called a "Solo", but it isn't. It is a Core 2 Celeron.
I think if you add the word based in there, it makes it clearer as in Core 2 based Celeron, or Skylake based Pentium. Intel moving to a generation based system helped vs the numerical Core 2 system.
To add to the confusion, Conroe had 4 names of desktop processors. There was not a 4-core.
Core 2 Duo (3 FSB options and 2 cache among the SKUs)
Core 2 Extreme (only one part)
Pentium (Single core, 800MHz FSB, 1mb cache)
Celeron (single core, 800MHz FSB, 512K cache)
@@lordofhyphensMost Core 2 Duo era Pentiums were called Pentium Dual Core
13:24 This 0x00000124 STOP code is likely related to the overclock. Specifically, Vcc/core is too low at the moment of the crash (vdroop). I wasn't paying close attention to the setup portion, but increasing load-line calibration might help if that's available. I have completely forgotten what kind of voltage options there are on mid-2000s equipment so I could be talking nonsense right now.
Up to 1.485v/1.490v for Core 2 Duo, if l remember that right.
It can also be related to the processor overheating, and considering the overclock it's more likely to be this than a core voltage problem.
At 21:09
"....can it run Crysis...."
No, but it can "walk" Crysis....
No, it could barely "drunkenly crawl" Crysis
Not gonna lie, the videos have got such a big upgrade lately, it's really awesome.
I think the real novelty was using a hand-me-down desktop with a Celeron-D in 2010 and actually wishing I could achieve this level of quality out of my CPU.
Thank you so much for covering this little CPU! I've got almost the entire family (the 420, two 430s, and the 450) but haven't had the time to test them out like you did here. I saw a video on PhlisComputerLab's channel where he did a 100% overclock on the (blazing fast) 420, and I believe you also commented on that video. I would love to see you get your hands on a 420 yourself!
Edit: Apparently there is a "mythical" CPU in this family, the Celeron 460. If it DOES exist, you'd probably become a legend if you somehow obtained it
Overclocked and extreme water cooling at the end LOL. Only Celeron I've ever owned was a Celeron 300A which was a beast back in the day.
Yeah because with an OC to 450 MHz would make it practically match a Pentium II with similar clocks but a lot cheaper
@@ismaelsoto9507 I clocked mine to 464 which was as high as the motherboard would allow.
I love how the electricity used to overclock costs more than the cpu
Technically it's a Core2 "solo".
I would say penny for your thoughts?
But I already know what you are thinking.
Bravo my good man 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
that cpu had to be invented because 1 of the cores did not meet QC
Yeah it is binning … wafers is expensive so might as well flog a half working chip for some spare change.
@@geph13 I'm guessing the defective core is the one they ended up using 🤣
0:06 Wait, how exactly do you access their website? I live in Belgium, we don't have any CEX's, but the Netherlands do. And for years now I haven't been able to access their website (and everyone I asked about it says they can't properly access either). And when I heard you say that I went to check the UK website and exactly the same thing happens there. Please, teach me the secret to getting to this website! 🥺
what happens when you click the link?
I live in Hungary, but I can access their website with UK vpn. The only problem is, that they are not shipping outside of the UK. Only british postcodes avaliable
Use a Vpn?
It'll smash windows 98. Probably a great fit for a trouble free retro gaming rig
Yes, retro gaming circa 2000 is all these things are fit for. or maybe a mp3 player if you can find an OS to run on it.
Yes it would be a beast of a build using windows 98!!
This cpu with an radeon x600 or x700 would be great for windows 98, add the Dosbox emulator with it and then you got decent retro rig.
Windows XP Service pack 2 is also a good contender with more support of better graphics cards and games.
Great Humour and hilarious hammering the hell out of it , impressive overclock
I have a single core 1.2ghz amd processor with 2 gb of 1066mhz ram and igpu. I'm running tiny 10 on it and the os runs okay. Games don't, although I got halflife to work.
It's probably a newer architecture though.
Honestly, the performance being this good makes a lot of sense - at single core level, CPU performance improvements have slowed down dramatically compared to the 80s through the early 2000s. Most of the recent improvements in the last 15-20 years have been additional cores, larger caches, efficiency improvements and the like. You can get a 12 year old Intel Xeon that has raw benchmarks on par with a first gen Ryzen for around 20 quid. The efficiency is terrible though, 3-4x more power compared to the modern equivalent.
Celeron 450 is a Conroe-L architecture.
They are chip harvests from Core2 Duo Allendale with one faulty core disabled.
And half the faulty L2 cache disabled.
It feels kinda funny knowing the ad I watched at the beginning of this video covered the entire cost of that computer chip 😅
Everyone's probably sick of seeing comments like this, but for "no man's land" PCs like this that fit neither into modern nor retro, low overhead Linux distros really are your best option in terms of having software that is both usable and modern as opposed to being mutually exclusive. This Celeron even supports x86-64, which makes things a lot easier as finding up-to-date 32-bit only distributions is becoming increasingly difficult. Admittedly using Linux puts a sizable dent into the gaming aspect. There is Proton, but I have no idea how that is handled with a machine of this age. Probably not all that well given how "a little" overhead on a modern computer means something completely different on something like a single core Celeron.
Most logical Linux comment we have had
My celly 440 (may have been 430.. I can't remember) ran xbmc on Linux (when it first made the jump from Xbox to PC) like a champ. It had a motherboard with an on-board Nvidia 9400 which did all the heavy lifting of video decoding meaning even this turd of a CPU could just get on with handling menus and stuff
Worst case scenario, also keep Lutris around with your Linux as soon as you install the distro, cause often it has community made configuration scripts that automatically get applied when installing the games, ESPECIALLY with GOG ones, since I noticed Budget here uses those versions when possible (like with Crysis). Makes a guy who casually has Linux on his previous desktop (me) not have to scratch his head troubleshooting.
That’s a pretty nice socket protector you got there!
Honestly though, it’s pretty crazy that an actual socket protector would probably cost the same as one of these.
Absolutely, Win7 was peak Windows and is missed greatly.
No better feeling than playing around with hardware so old and busted that it induces a primal "MORE JIGGAHERTZ!" overclocking bloodlust
As an American, I can say that I wish we had anything like CEX here. I have something close, called Re-PC, but CEX seems a bit better for some things. At least from an outside perspective.
Gap in the market?? I want shares
As middle eastern all i can say is that i wish we had anything like the RE -PC lol 😧
CEX did have some American stores but they closed them all around 2018
@@aminbagheri9044 Still better than us where all PC recycling is run by underground thieves and crooks
I just swapped one of these out for a 8400 in my under-desk backup and squeezed Tiny11 on it with zero issues, 775 was fun back in the day and super cheap to tinker around with now...nice vid man.
1 cent gpu when
Maybe one day
Maybe a FX 5500 or Radeon 9550. One should be Very cheap.
The fact you tested tekkit classic as a benchmark hit me right in the nostalgia
i bought an i7 870 for 20€ and a gtx 1060 and it's an quite ok pc handling forza horizon with max graphics running at over 60fps i i only knew about the rx580
I need to get back into working on old PC systems I love these videos
CEX`s Profit on this CPU sale was insane
🤣
Well, at least it's not a NetBurst CPU. That's as nice as I can be.
Or a VIA low power thing.
NetBurst isn't that bad, just seriously outclassed by modern CPUs and not much of a performance improvement over the prior generation.
@@joefish6091 I mean the later generations of VIA CPUs were targeted for specific use cases.
And you have to consider that they were competing with single-core CPUs that were clocked a lot higher, but which were
majorly power hungry and generated a lot of heat.
I envy your patience. Good video!
~Drops processor in a mud puddle~
~Performance only decreases by 1%~
I think it's great that you also include emulation in the benchmarks, this is an area that is otherwise often overlooked.
I grew up with emulation and played a lot of GBA games on the PC as a child. We had a CD that my parents got from friends that had GBA games and an emulator on it.
I liked playing a game similar to Mario Party where you had to collect crystals in the world to prevent a yellow bird from being petrified.
There were different animals to choose from. It was like a board game with mini-games after each round. No idea what the game is called.
next for the one cent hard drive
Just letting you know, that GTA 5 launch error was related to a microsoft runtime you can download for windows 7
Core *2* _Duo_
1 core
Checks out
"Core 2" is the successor to the "Core" design. What you are doing is confusing the name. Like expecting a Zen 2 CPU to have two cores because there is a 2 in the architecture name.
It could be called a "Core 2 Solo" CPU but there is no such brand name. It is a Core 2 based Celeron.
I have one of those!... As a keychain. It was, uh, probably working before I drilled a hole through it? I didn't check, but I think it's way more useful as a keychain than it could ever be in a PC. I didn't specifically buy it either, but some guy I bought a motherboard from years ago threw it in as a socket protector (which, to be fair, it is also good at) :D
9:10 Absolutely my opinion
Windows 7 is just legendary
Tried to develop a website
NodeJS would never install not even with extended kernel not even older versions
If it still was supported by software i would also still be using it.
I think Node 12 supports Windows 7
I didn't think such a thing as a "cut-down" Celeron could exist, but here we are.
If windows 7 was still supported I wouldn't have switched to Linux
A lot of people wouldn't switch to Linux if windows 7 was supported. Which distribution are you using?
"It runs at fast as P4 without the heat”.
How true! 😂
Still better than a 14900k
5:28 seeing your wrist in that position made my own twitch.
Nice
I found a Conroe-L celeron 440 once... I wanted it for a low power system and was able to underclock and undervolt such that i was able to run it fanless...
It then lived in my XBMC box until it was replaced with a raspberry pi
0:34 I would if they had something like CEX in the states
Freegeek, etc. do exist. Not the same, but near enough.
Cex did exist in us. I bought a 32gb microsd from cex in san francisco.
don't you have pawn shops, that are basically the same?
Oh? I thought you do have it, i have it in Poland even, thats weird
Damn cex needs to visit the states
Damn I was just watching a bunch of these videos and another just dropped nice
every school pc
Love your channel my friend thanks for the content
I really don't want to be 'that guy' but it would be interesting seeing this run Linux Mint xfce with Steam and proton... is there still a little more cpu power left in there... while Linux isn't the panacea for everything, it is lighter and that's what we're trying to do here, plus it's more secure than Win7, as good as that was.
great video, i would've liked to see Windows XP as well though :P
keep it up!
19:05 i feel you there as i had the same hardware config back in 2015.
Ya, I found a discarded single core AMD Phenom desktop system while back and I was also surprised how poor it ran doing anything. I bought a Phenom II triple core CPU used on ebay for like $11 and it completely revived the system to a very usable state.
At $.01 you could buy 100s and tile the bathroom with them
Had a Celeron once. Dropped $45 on a Core 2 Duo and the system ran way faster. The Celeron would crash running Minecraft on the lowest possible settings. The Core 2 Duo could run Minecraft on mediumish with no crashes.
I really loved these (actually the celeron 420) for upgrading pentium 3ish systems. Cpu, ram, hard drive and motherboard could be had extremely cheap and the budget motherboards would support the atx standards and the anemic power supplies actually had an easier time. Performance in office/home use, sorting and archiving photos from digital cameras, basic internet use, all very responsive on par with the e6400@3.4ghz I had in my own system with just a slight overclock.
Might be interesting to try it on some even older or lighter OSes. Could be really good for a Windows 98 or Windows XP build. Also, it'd be interesting to see how it does with a real lightweight linux build.
I think most of the problems you found are tied to the big weakness of this processors (apart from having a single core): A very small cache. The same problem applied to the famous (in the time) Celeron E2160, that were overclocking beasts and were a nice value for the money.
The launcher issue, worth mentioning, also works (or doesn’t work) in the other direction. I had some games that they couldn’t be bothered to actually adjust a bit to actually work properly on windows 10. I think I remember GTA3 (the real one, not the trilogy ver.) literally required a fan patch to even launch on windows 10. And some games don’t run properly without forced FPS settings in Nvidia Settings… all because some of those older games weren’t designed for folks who run a screen faster than 60hz (my laptop has a 120hz display), something I can kinda get around if I plug in an external monitor it turns out.
CEX is funny. One time I saw an old usb drive selling for 10 cent but they were buying it for .50 cent
The original price was $53, which is strange as the dual core Celeron E1500 came out at the same time and cost the same.
By the way I looked at the list of Celerons of that time, they made a workstation Celeron Conroe-CL, a single model, the Celeron 445 on the socket 771 socket. That is very odd.
You can try to put low end linux and run some retro games
Instead of stalling like a netburst, I think it's taking too much time going to DRAM since it has no L3 cache (why would the customers need em am I right?), so yeah, it's still stalling just in a different sorta weird way
When your CPU costs less than the rubber insulator around your cables
I love the fact I can sence a 775 by just a quick glance. Also I think the phenom x6 might be make a cool vid in 2024
I've built a bunch of POS systems and some touchscreen DMX lighting controllers for nightclubs back in the day with these (E420-E440) and the dualcore variants (E1200/E1400). They were cheap (compared to "real"/full-fat Core 2 CPUs), did the job more than adequately with XP embedded (or a stripped down version of regular XP Pro) and most importantly, you could easily cool these passively, which in case of those use case examples means one less mechanical part to potentially fail causing downtime. This was especially true in the nightclub environment situation, because back then smoking wasn't banned yet (= tar residue clogging up regular coolers) and things like artificial fog from smoke machines is HELL on anything with forced airflow, similar to chainsmoking
LGA775 was such a fun socket. I have so many builds where i could just swap parts and cpus. So fun, i eventually modified the bios to run a Xeon quad Extreme! I gave it to a friend when i built this pc. I had that pc ruining strong for a solid 12 years!!! All my gaming and editing!
I was so annoyed when Gta V stopped working on windows 7.
It's so unfair companies go out of their way to stop people from using it. What harm is it to them? I can understand the need to update things, I understand that security is an issue, but why don't they just stop windows 7 users from accessing the online part? Why do they brick the game so it doesn't work at all?! The game came out when windows 10 didn't even exist!
I had the celeron 420, at the time the cheapest cpu of this series, it cost new only 20 euros with boxed cooler. I was able to overclock it to 3.8ghz with a good cpu cooler (scythe kama cross, I still had this cooler from my old Pentium 4). since it was a 1.6ghz cpu, more than a 100% overclock. The cpu was still too slow for gaming (too little cache I think) and I quickly replaced it for a Core2Duo E8400 when I had the money for it.