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I'm in the Boise area as well, with a Toyota ish rig (lexus). Any shop you recommend for mechanical stuff?? You could msg privately if you'd rather. Good content as always!
It just a gimmick to sell off road parts, growing up on a ranch in Arizona, our old Ford 4x4 trucks were pretty stock and went almost anywhere we needed to go, it was 60 miles to the nearest pavement, we just pitched tents and took a Dutch oven with us.
For 99% of all legal, open routes on BLM and Forest Service land, a stock CJ-2A on 28" tall 6.00 x 16 NDT's is all you need. I'm not joking, either, because I know I'm not going anywhere in 2024 on BLM or Forest Service land that a whole bunch of people haven't already been to in stock flat-fender Jeeps. People seem to believe that nobody did the Rubicon, Dusy Ershim, or any trail in Moab, prior to the 10-15 "floatation tire" and fully lockable differentials and lift kits. Yet, they did.
I appreciate your wisdom. As a new guy wanting to get in to this, I’ve come to realize I need to seek out guys like yourself that I can build a trust in and then take it slow in building out my setup. Thanks.
Best advice- get out there with someone else in their rig. Ask em if you can throw your tent in and tag along. You’ll learn a lot from them. And then just start going out. You don’t have to wait until you have absolutely everything. Getting out there will help you figure out what you need and how you want to organize.
Another thing people should realize is not the case is you do not need to spend thousands of dollars on your rig to enjoy the hobby and go have fun. A lot of these RUclipsrs get free stuff from sponsors or major discounts like 50% off or more. So they can do these amazing builds but most people don’t or can’t do that right out the gate!
I agree. At the same time I can't go to a sporting goods store or I get the bug and get something.I tell people I spend thousands of dollars so I can live like a homeless person outside in the dirt
Im kinda an "accidental" overlander. We go camping often and have a bunch of gear. We love taking road trips out into the middle of nowhere and have done that for years as well. I always liked the FJ Cruiser so this year I finally bought one. I had never really heard of this Overlanding hobby until stumbling on some RUclips videos. I told the wife "Babe, I guess we're overlanders now."
Matt's Off-road recovery straps kit is a great all in one recovery option. Second hand wildland fire shovel and a Walmart ground tent. My 03 WJ has a roof rack. HF lights and a 9k wench. Some AT tires and a recovery hook.
Honestly when I actually got informed on these add ons for your rig and started to understand how over priced everything is I went DIY... AKA Prinsu roof rack or Sherpa for $900-1400 for my 4 Runner, found out what they're made of etc and was honestly sick to my stomach. The Extruded Aluminum for the racks and cross bars can be bought from multiple sights who will cut to your needs etc for $100-200 and a few pieces of Aluminum/Metal for rails and front flair is $100 or less.. so you can build your own for $300 or even less... Thats a major upcharge for something that can be built with some time, homework, and a angle grinder... 😅
if only that was true....we did one with scanning a roof, and making it in modelling software. Didn't copy anyone's, gave it a genuine original try.....let's say mistakes were made, and the modelling and loading software, was no match for reality.
It's really more car camping. It's fun. Great way to see places on the cheap (depending how much you spend on gear). Been camping since I was a teenager but now I can load the truck and hit multiple park sites, back trails, and out of the way towns in a few days.
Man, that shovel! Talk about reinventing the wheel. When I wanted a quality compact shovel, I went down to my local military surplus store and bought an ET. Kept that thing in my work kit for years. I drive a desk for that company, now, but it’s one of the two tools I’ve continued to keep at work.
@@OutdoorAuto it sure is weird how the people whose lives literally depended upon a good compact shovel design figured out how to build a quality folding shovel.
All you have said is true. What I really don’t understand is how people don’t pay attention to these. Honestly, also asking experienced people is important and super useful. I have an off-roader friend that says…man, I’m too poor to buy cheap and unknown stuff…and it’s totally true
Any gear used for a fun hobby is going to be ridiculously expensive, doesn’t matter what the hobby is. Problem is we all suck it up and pay for it. I’d wager that the majority of us read Amazon reviews before making a purchase and have opted against certain items due to bad reviews. Don’t be afraid to call out a company for selling junk, word of mouth and sharing your experiences is what weeds out those bad companies. I’m in Boise too, give a shout if you ever need someone to hold the camera!
My wife and I talked about this very subject at the last outdoor Expo we went to. Got a novelty shovel because it was 20 bucks. Probably a gimmick, I thought. I didn't "need" it, but thought it'd be cool to have as a backup. Messed w it a little bit, and it's not even a backup, it's it's own thing. I'm not relying on my survival for it, but it's small enough to keep around and see how it survives. But, there was TONS of products out there that I just had to shake my head. Solving non-existant problems. Made in China. "Our Parent Company" etc, etc... The money grab is real. I've pretty much stopped purchasing anything from any company that I can't clearly identify, verifying their history in this segment, and actually pronounce the CEO's name... I'd much rather chat w Shane, from Alaska, who runs XYZ Co that's been in business since 86, and has given back to the community in ways that can't be measured with the almighty dollar... I've changed my opinions, and my wife has too.
Greatly appreciate your comments on this emerging trend/issue in the space. We have a relatively small RUclips channel, yet still receive weekly messages from fly by night companies asking us to rep their gear. It's wild really, and hard to predict the long term ramifications for the industry. In general we would love to see more of an emphasis from journalists, RUclipsrs and influencers on buying less stuff. Instead they should focus on high quality equipment that actually enhances the outdoor experience.
Excellent segment, sir. It's refreshing to see someone actually speaking truth to the manufacturing segment and enlightening the buying public along the way. Keep it up! As always, thanks much for sharing. Steve
Best advice for newbies. Buy things from well stablished brands. The so-called overland is not a new thing. Australians have been doing this for years. Roof top tents existed in Australia and South America since the early 2000s. There also some reputable brands with budget options, Tepui Tents now Thule for example, ROAM adventure company makes some good products too. ARB, WARN, have recovery equipment that has been tested and options for all budgets, IRONMAN; TJM are good australian brands too, Rhinorack, FrontRunners have excellent products for roof racks Just to name a few brands. Payload is also an important topic. Lots of people like to carry pretty much the whole house with them. An oversized fridge will eat your payload pretty quick add to that a heavy tent, plus water, plus extra fuel.
Yeah, but even that is getting confusing... a lot of the Original companies either have been bought or are trying to hold onto old times and are over charging for products that are basic commodities nowadays... a great example is roof racks that cost over $2000 and Rooftop tents that are $4000 - $5000... the ones that really get me is when they are the exact same Chinese ones on amazon... just with a different name slapped on them.
@@OutdoorAuto Tepui is one the examples it used to be really affordable and simple now it is owned by Thule. While they still on affordable side, there are less models, less accessories. Roam also overcharge for most of their stuff. They are functional and good quality but overpriced for what they are.
It's funny looking at the recommended videos that follow this, because so many of them are clickbaity titles about "gear every overlander needs!!". My setup is a drawer system and sleeping platform in the back of my 4x4. Every single part of my vehicle has been put together be me, at home. I started out simple with two sheets of plywood and some 2x4 to make a raised platform, and over time have replaced, improved, and built upon that system to fill my needs as they arise. My current/next project is, rather than dumping $1000 on an ecoflow or jackery, I'm building my own battery for a third of the cost. Too many people get into "overlanding" and start throwing a checkbook at every problem, when it's really just remote car camping.
Camping is now overlanding. Sheesh! My Taco goes backcountry with a Diamondback cover, tent and camping gear. Crazy what people are willing to pay for a tent, cooler, water filter and cooking gear.
you's re always optimistic! I have a hard time to find an awning that will meet my needs. my priorities 1. weight, 2. mounting bracket, most of them horrible design (ask me how do I know), 3. Construction (same weld Al, horrible ). 4. Coverage, 5. true 90 degree on 270 awning , like it's full coverage at 90 deg turn at the end or cut side. I had OVS and that is most of many awnings, broke, bracket bent. Got now Roofnest after reviewing many of them, next to this it was Freespirit, but these bracket is bad as they don't have 90 deg weld enforcing gusset. And other other many companies are sketchy. it's really bad situation with awnings look like vendors don't test them well, like on beach for several days.
I've been testing a lot of stuff on honestly it get alarming some time... figured someone at to share some of the behind the scenes testing and learnings.
Thanks for the post. We used to call it car/jeep camping or boondocking years ago. I upgraded to a Jeep Gladiator a few years ago. Watched overland channels. Rooftop tent cool, but costs $3000+. And I have a family of 4. Buy Gazelle ground tent they all said, $600. But it doesn't fit in the 5' gladiator bed. 😮💨 Its a great tent and I still use it, but have to pack it on the kayak trailer because it can't fit in the bed. So I now have a $150 Coleman that measures >4' and fits in the bed. Not to knock the Gazelle because it did stand up to a significant 60+ mph thunderstorm with almost no leaks while other tents in our group were destroyed. I also realize that some of these companies are innovating and developing products. As small companies in a niche market they have to charge higher prices. I am willing to pay for their innovation when it makes sense and they provide a product I need. Especially if I can buy American made and manufactured.
3:14 if you get a real E-ntrenching tool, with a "blade"... you CAN chop/cut/dig with it effectively... its meant to be carried in a backpack... depending on your job, youll have to use this for all of its uses if youre in the military long enough... with the right amount of gusto/anger you can dig through very rocky ground with one with ease. its good tool if your knowledge and expectations about its functionality are at the right level
Agreed 100% on all points here. I feel like a crazy person trying to explain this exact problem to my friends and peers who CONTINUE to fall for hype and junk gear. Too many companies trying to steal from this market segment with no knowledge or real world experience to add to it.
People who buy into marketing without real world experience is exactly who they are marketing to. People who are looking to join the new thing and dump money without a thought, then sell off when they are tired of the trend.
Agree with your video, been camping in a Jeep for 25 plus years. Yes we have purchased the latest/ greatest stuff to have it sitting in a pile in the garage. It is absolutely about trade offs in functionality and resources the vehicle has.
The trade off thing is hard for people to accept... in almost everything now days the only limit is how much you want to spend... but Outdoor adventure in truly remote places will always require some version of a minimalist approach - Keep it simple, keep it reliable, keep it light.... It great, that is what I love about it... but it really seems to drive some people nuts.
@@OutdoorAuto it would be interesting to break down Overlanding into aspects of, such as recovery, sleeping, food preparation, weight management, vehicle function from a loaded perspective (handling, fuel economy, wind resistance, trailer towing, etc). Would be interesting to see input from senior campers and new to Overlanding inputs.
There are sooo many cheap products on the market today that look like the item you might want, but they simply don't work. Like a can opener that looks in all respects like a can opener, except it doesn't actually open cans. Or the wire cutters that won't actually cut through wire. I have purchased both of these items only to find out they are completely useless. The same issue exists with the overlanding gear you are referring to. The problem is compounded by websites that present glowing "reviews" of these cheap products. You simply can't depend on those reviews. Spending time on a good discussion forum where real people are using the products and sharing their experiences is one way. I particularly enjoy videos like this that provide a deeper insight into the products.
Great video. I just started to get my feet wet with this overland thing. I’m in the market for my 1st RT and definitely want to make the right decision. This is not a cheap hobby so being informed is key. Appreciate the insight!
Very true. It is really hard to find shops that have the right knowledge to service an offroad vehicle, expecially one which is lifted and has a stiff front axel. Living in Norway with a Jeep Wrangler JK
I don’t agree with not naming companies that are taking advantage of customers with shitty products. If this is how they think of recovery gear, why would I trust them with survival gear. This is not the “moral high ground” you think it is. There’s ZERO shame or negative impact to your character for calling out cheap, unsafe gear makers. Please name them.
@@Michael-sz4he LOL you must be one of them “internet lawyers”. Please tell me the legal statute they would sue under for people reviewing a product and sharing their opinion. If that was actually a viable lawfare strategy then Amazon’s product review section would be farmed for fresh lawsuits on the daily. So, you know what? Yes, I will pay 100% of the legal fees for all those lawsuits because there won’t be any. 🤡
Even if it's a baseless suit, he has to fight it. Defamation and slander are basis for suits, ya know. I don't agree with it, but why the hell do you think HE HIMSELF didn't want to name the companies in the video???
Very worthwhile video!!!! And what makes matter worse? I watched several reviews of the tent you just showcased and not of the RUclipsrs mentioned the weight!!!! Many RUclips reviewers do not mention the short comings of the products or simply avoid some parts of the product all together. E.g. 270 Awnings - Do they actually open up to 270 degrees? How are the hinges made? How are the arms constructed? How is the backbone of the awning? Is it really freestanding or only just as long as it take to set it up? etc. It is great to see someone upfront about what is happening. I was going to say I subscribed, but I already had!!!! Keep up the good work.
Like the info you provided and makes a lot of sense. Most people don't really think that way and some just like the overlanding look. But after 40 years of off roading, that's what we used to call it and camping along the way as you explored .Your right, Its about Sales and Marketing...Just look at all the channels that tell everyone that they need more crap to drive down a dirt road. And most don't even go off road. So keep testing, you may save someone's butt that has no seat time or experience..
I have a 98 Tacoma standard cab. I'm small enough to sleep comfortably in the cab. I don't need a catalog of pricey crap to go into the woods. Most vehicles today are so ill-equipped and grossly oversized as to be useless on at least 50% of the Forest roads I travel.
My favorite bleeding edge product was a really cool battery mount for the in floor storage space in the back of a Ford Bronco. I was thinking this was a great way to set up a predator calling system (normal people would use it for a refrigerator), but it was pretty expensive. It was also setup for a specific battery. The battery people stopped making the battery. I didn’t even buy one, and I lost my mind. I could only imagine spending almost a grand on a special gizmo, so special that it’s special trash a mere six months after the special purchase.
Refuse to pay overland tax. I own a stock 2017 tundra 4x4 and aside from the tires that I will replace and aside from that I will get to most places that most overlanders do. Most the time it’s usually just a forest service road or maybe a slightly rougher one. Drive slow, take your time and you will be fine in most vehicles.
Excellent video! Your topics are well researched and very thorough. I’m in the market to upgrade my RTT to a clamshell and this is very helpful. Thank you.
I have a shovel similar to the one you ragged on in my camping go box. I've had it in the box for seven years. It was cheap and I bought it for emergencies. I don't wheel in mud. I have used it to dig cat holes. Or to cover a fire in dirt/sand for the night to be sure it was out. I've more than gotten my moneys worth, it fits in my go box, and it's larger than the one you displayed. Would the big $100-300 one you displayed work better? Sure, would it easily fit in my vehicle? Possibly not.
Good tips, my base model unlifted Subbie has only the basics, simple sleeping no platform, single burner stove, small lithium battery and starter, tire inflator, a normal ice cooler, a few pots and pans, fishing gear and a whole lot of fun🎉😊
Doesn't change the fact that it is incredibly overweight and uses up way to high of a % of your payload... .... but most people don't pay attention to that stuff and ignorance is bliss...
Actual milsurp entrenching tools are good kit, but compromise efficiency as a shovel for compactness and portability. There's lots of cheap clones like this that are made from cheap steel though.
@@OutdoorAuto I wouldn’t fret about being cancelled. You presented your topic professionally, spoke common sense into an industry that’s being inundated with inferior products due to greed and didn’t mention the brands. I hope the video goes viral so more people are aware of this problem. Cheers! 🍻
Thanks for posting an excellent counterpoint! Many people who are jumping in just want to spend money on "Gadgets" without being prepared. But, they look cool! Or so they think.
I don't know.of In the Marine Corps I've dug MANY fighting positions with an E-Tool just like that little dinky thing of a shovel. I'm confident, 100%, that I could dig a solid hole, or my Taco out of a sticky situation with that E-Tool. But, that's just me.
That’s the shovel you hand your toddler to keep them busy 😂. I think you buy things companies have earned accolades for, like Toyota and naturally aspirated V8s and V6s. Safety counts especially when your miles/hours from help.
Maybe do a video on these new fancy external reservoir shocks? Maybe you have, I'm new (as in this video) to the channel,.. I'll parooze and check out other topics. But that might be a good one for folks that are new. All the "INFLUENCERS" are given these new super shocks... Like Kings and others ... But don't say anything on how long they last. They look new and shiney, but they don't mention they are for racing and those guys rebuild them even between races! I have normal shocks ... And they are still going. How often do these new external reservoir shocks need to be rebuilt .... As you speak of buying things and "Understand the maintenance and maintenance costs." Just a thought.
I have a few suspension videos out from the basics for beginners all the way to high end long travel... Suspension Basics - ruclips.net/video/Ws6DX-cV_xw/видео.html Long Travel - ruclips.net/video/klTcNVsirGo/видео.html Bp-51 suspension review - ruclips.net/video/ZZSNYONRYxQ/видео.html
They have a lot of good stuff but I have a lot of Aussie friends and they are just as leary of somestuff being made... they have their own brands that are making less then ideal stuff...
@OutdoorAuto yes they are but for big ticket items or legacy items I have not been disappointed in my aussie gear at all. It's been super high quality compared to the American brands and not much more than what the American are charging. But I also stay away from glamping and keep it low key
@@OutdoorAuto yup. And lots of pop up companies just reselling white label bland products and calling it innovation and ripping off other companies that put in work.
Overlanding is a pretty diverse crowd… from clueless city people wanting to experience nature for the first time to survival experts that would make all of us look like a joke… my point is not to beat up on Overlanding… it is to try and help people that want to get out and explore waste less money and spend more time exploring… whether beginners or experts.
playskool tools should obviously be a "nope". compact shovels are a mean joke on someone who has never used a real one. great video by the way! these are important points.
Why can’t you stick this on a 4runner? I had a fj cruiser with a alucab rtt, steel from and rear bumper, rock sliders, under armor, tones more stuff on the fj on a 3 inch lift. It works well and great over lander
People do bad builds all the time… so you can do whatever you want… but a tent that heavy on the roof of a small/medium SUV is a bad idea… it also probably uses almost half your payload with just the tent and a driver…
i totaly aggree, i am in europe, and "overlanding " is not as common and developed, or me its about the basics, getting up in some dispersed camping in the alps, stock nissan 4x4 with just at tyres, and the basics packed in the back ground tent if the weather is nice ore airmateras inside i the weather is iffy, i see some others out here with fully built landcruisers and 110 defenders reching the same place a dacia duster gets to...
Always. ALLWAYS research what the pro’s are doing first, and what gear they are using for extended periods of time to get in and out of places. Often times it’s the tried and true mfg that are keeping the pace, and the periphery whiz bang guys pop off and flash out. With a few exceptions. Maxtrax being one. They innovated a solid product and continued to develop and deliver some of the best recovery tools on the market. You know they’re solid because they haven’t yet sold out and branched into manufacturing things like refrigerators, and lighting, and all the other accessories they could slap a logo onto. Keeping it real they’re all about recovery equipment, and only recovery equipment.
Thank you for opening my eyes to this topic of maintenance who will do the work to watch for how long accompany has been in the space that their product is in. I’m a trucker and I appreciate this because I own a Cascadia freightliner and the only reason I have one instead of a Pete is number one cost And their vast network like a TA shop or a Speedco shop. I’m also an owner of a Ford F250 with an 8 foot bed. I’d love to take it over Landing. Do you have any recommendations what I should do to it?
Same thing happened in the gun/knife/gear world not long ago Paint something black and call it "tactical" then sell it for twice the price you did before. Now call a backpack or tow strap "overlanding strap" and sell it for twice the price. Most, if not all, this stuff is all made in the same chinese factories then stamped with different logos to get us all excited. I call it "overbranding"
Nate, you're soooo spot on. Just to your point: would you rely on a company that makes various roofracks AND fridges AND recovery gear. etc. etc. etc and all of this under the same name without any history or expertise? I hope not. xD
As a kid in the 70’s I remember it was called “camping”. I love these same guys I see everyday on the freeway with recovery boards, propane tanks, gas cans, roof top tents etc Do you really need all that garbage on your truck when your driving to the office?
Camping and Overlanding are supposed to be two different things. However everyone Is jumping on the Overlanding name bandwagon. And taking all that stuff off and on your rig and storing it somewhere is a pain. So yes in some instances it's necessary
I’ve said that same thing too. It’s all just decoration. Why would you want all that stuff just being beat on by UV when you likely are using it once a month at most.
If using everything once in a while yes. But when your out a week at time or every single weekend for two or three days not a campgrounds someone that stuff is great to have. But there's always people that have stuff just for looks because they have the money. But you assume that's everyone obviously
I've been doing "this" since 1976, long before overlanding was a word in the current sense. I hope it does die, honestly. Nearly everything I use is home built. I don't need the junk, or the prices, ...and I sure don't need the crowds. I've been to Expo west a few times, which is sort of fun, but I end up rarely finding anything well enough designed or built to actually buy. All my DIY stuff is actually better. A few times I have offered some suggestions, but I just get ignored. None of these things ever get actually tested before they sell them. It all looks so good at a show, and the minute you actually use it, you realize it is a total fail.
Overlanding is on the brink of becoming a strictly rich guy thing… it’s always been there to a certain extent, but it’s about to become an exclusive activity. The crowds will fall big time. If you’re not stinkin rich and you don’t have a rig now, chances are you never will.. at least for a decade or two.
Cannot wait for people to realize how dumb it is to bolt a bunch of crap to their vehicles just to run back and forth to Walmart. Fingers crossed a lot of these get board and go back to taking Carnival cruises instead. 😂
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I'm in the Boise area as well, with a Toyota ish rig (lexus). Any shop you recommend for mechanical stuff?? You could msg privately if you'd rather. Good content as always!
Im old enough to remember when we just called this camping.
You and me both
Ok boomer
@@oldgrunt5569 I agree. I'll be glad when the fad is over so I can get back out to true camping again.
My family drove from Canada to Mexico three times when I was young. Didn’t call it overlanding, just “going to visit family” 😂
It’s overlanding when you don’t forget your beard oil.
It just a gimmick to sell off road parts, growing up on a ranch in Arizona, our old Ford 4x4 trucks were pretty stock and went almost anywhere we needed to go, it was 60 miles to the nearest pavement, we just pitched tents and took a Dutch oven with us.
I worked at an outdoor store and people would ask “What’s the best bug out bag?”
I’d say “the one you put together yourself”
For 99% of any overlanding you can use a stock 4x4 on 30s. No joke!
For 99% of all legal, open routes on BLM and Forest Service land, a stock CJ-2A on 28" tall 6.00 x 16 NDT's is all you need. I'm not joking, either, because I know I'm not going anywhere in 2024 on BLM or Forest Service land that a whole bunch of people haven't already been to in stock flat-fender Jeeps.
People seem to believe that nobody did the Rubicon, Dusy Ershim, or any trail in Moab, prior to the 10-15 "floatation tire" and fully lockable differentials and lift kits.
Yet, they did.
I appreciate your wisdom. As a new guy wanting to get in to this, I’ve come to realize I need to seek out guys like yourself that I can build a trust in and then take it slow in building out my setup. Thanks.
Best advice- get out there with someone else in their rig. Ask em if you can throw your tent in and tag along. You’ll learn a lot from them. And then just start going out. You don’t have to wait until you have absolutely everything. Getting out there will help you figure out what you need and how you want to organize.
Another thing people should realize is not the case is you do not need to spend thousands of dollars on your rig to enjoy the hobby and go have fun. A lot of these RUclipsrs get free stuff from sponsors or major discounts like 50% off or more. So they can do these amazing builds but most people don’t or can’t do that right out the gate!
I agree. At the same time I can't go to a sporting goods store or I get the bug and get something.I tell people I spend thousands of dollars so I can live like a homeless person outside in the dirt
Im kinda an "accidental" overlander. We go camping often and have a bunch of gear. We love taking road trips out into the middle of nowhere and have done that for years as well. I always liked the FJ Cruiser so this year I finally bought one. I had never really heard of this Overlanding hobby until stumbling on some RUclips videos. I told the wife "Babe, I guess we're overlanders now."
Overlanding isnt dead. It was never anything to begin with. . .
Matt's Off-road recovery straps kit is a great all in one recovery option. Second hand wildland fire shovel and a Walmart ground tent. My 03 WJ has a roof rack. HF lights and a 9k wench. Some AT tires and a recovery hook.
Honestly when I actually got informed on these add ons for your rig and started to understand how over priced everything is I went DIY... AKA Prinsu roof rack or Sherpa for $900-1400 for my 4 Runner, found out what they're made of etc and was honestly sick to my stomach. The Extruded Aluminum for the racks and cross bars can be bought from multiple sights who will cut to your needs etc for $100-200 and a few pieces of Aluminum/Metal for rails and front flair is $100 or less.. so you can build your own for $300 or even less... Thats a major upcharge for something that can be built with some time, homework, and a angle grinder... 😅
if only that was true....we did one with scanning a roof, and making it in modelling software. Didn't copy anyone's, gave it a genuine original try.....let's say mistakes were made, and the modelling and loading software, was no match for reality.
It's really called camping but when you spend a lot of money it becomes Overlanding !!! 🤣🤣
It's really more car camping. It's fun. Great way to see places on the cheap (depending how much you spend on gear). Been camping since I was a teenager but now I can load the truck and hit multiple park sites, back trails, and out of the way towns in a few days.
Man, that shovel! Talk about reinventing the wheel. When I wanted a quality compact shovel, I went down to my local military surplus store and bought an ET. Kept that thing in my work kit for years. I drive a desk for that company, now, but it’s one of the two tools I’ve continued to keep at work.
Best one I had was from and surplus store too...
@@OutdoorAuto it sure is weird how the people whose lives literally depended upon a good compact shovel design figured out how to build a quality folding shovel.
All you have said is true. What I really don’t understand is how people don’t pay attention to these. Honestly, also asking experienced people is important and super useful. I have an off-roader friend that says…man, I’m too poor to buy cheap and unknown stuff…and it’s totally true
Any gear used for a fun hobby is going to be ridiculously expensive, doesn’t matter what the hobby is. Problem is we all suck it up and pay for it. I’d wager that the majority of us read Amazon reviews before making a purchase and have opted against certain items due to bad reviews. Don’t be afraid to call out a company for selling junk, word of mouth and sharing your experiences is what weeds out those bad companies. I’m in Boise too, give a shout if you ever need someone to hold the camera!
My wife and I talked about this very subject at the last outdoor Expo we went to. Got a novelty shovel because it was 20 bucks. Probably a gimmick, I thought. I didn't "need" it, but thought it'd be cool to have as a backup. Messed w it a little bit, and it's not even a backup, it's it's own thing. I'm not relying on my survival for it, but it's small enough to keep around and see how it survives. But, there was TONS of products out there that I just had to shake my head. Solving non-existant problems. Made in China. "Our Parent Company" etc, etc... The money grab is real. I've pretty much stopped purchasing anything from any company that I can't clearly identify, verifying their history in this segment, and actually pronounce the CEO's name... I'd much rather chat w Shane, from Alaska, who runs XYZ Co that's been in business since 86, and has given back to the community in ways that can't be measured with the almighty dollar... I've changed my opinions, and my wife has too.
Greatly appreciate your comments on this emerging trend/issue in the space. We have a relatively small RUclips channel, yet still receive weekly messages from fly by night companies asking us to rep their gear. It's wild really, and hard to predict the long term ramifications for the industry. In general we would love to see more of an emphasis from journalists, RUclipsrs and influencers on buying less stuff. Instead they should focus on high quality equipment that actually enhances the outdoor experience.
Man, I really wanted a slo-motion shot of that sad little shovel getting destroyed. Nice video, Nate.
Oh man... I don't quite have the camera work down as well as you... maybe next time.
@@OutdoorAuto I mean, we call that an E-tool in the army, we beat the piss out of ours....Just make sure you lock that twisty piece down...
Agree... that would have been great! BUt seeing the after effects was eye openig.
Excellent segment, sir. It's refreshing to see someone actually speaking truth to the manufacturing segment and enlightening the buying public along the way. Keep it up!
As always, thanks much for sharing.
Steve
Being specific about the fluff that is more fluff than useful would be the biggest help. Thank you.
Best advice for newbies. Buy things from well stablished brands. The so-called overland is not a new thing. Australians have been doing this for years. Roof top tents existed in Australia and South America since the early 2000s. There also some reputable brands with budget options, Tepui Tents now Thule for example, ROAM adventure company makes some good products too. ARB, WARN, have recovery equipment that has been tested and options for all budgets, IRONMAN; TJM are good australian brands too, Rhinorack, FrontRunners have excellent products for roof racks Just to name a few brands. Payload is also an important topic. Lots of people like to carry pretty much the whole house with them. An oversized fridge will eat your payload pretty quick add to that a heavy tent, plus water, plus extra fuel.
Yeah, but even that is getting confusing... a lot of the Original companies either have been bought or are trying to hold onto old times and are over charging for products that are basic commodities nowadays... a great example is roof racks that cost over $2000 and Rooftop tents that are $4000 - $5000... the ones that really get me is when they are the exact same Chinese ones on amazon... just with a different name slapped on them.
@@OutdoorAuto Tepui is one the examples it used to be really affordable and simple now it is owned by Thule. While they still on affordable side, there are less models, less accessories. Roam also overcharge for most of their stuff. They are functional and good quality but overpriced for what they are.
It's funny looking at the recommended videos that follow this, because so many of them are clickbaity titles about "gear every overlander needs!!".
My setup is a drawer system and sleeping platform in the back of my 4x4. Every single part of my vehicle has been put together be me, at home. I started out simple with two sheets of plywood and some 2x4 to make a raised platform, and over time have replaced, improved, and built upon that system to fill my needs as they arise.
My current/next project is, rather than dumping $1000 on an ecoflow or jackery, I'm building my own battery for a third of the cost.
Too many people get into "overlanding" and start throwing a checkbook at every problem, when it's really just remote car camping.
Camping is now overlanding. Sheesh! My Taco goes backcountry with a Diamondback cover, tent and camping gear. Crazy what people are willing to pay for a tent, cooler, water filter and cooking gear.
you's re always optimistic! I have a hard time to find an awning that will meet my needs. my priorities 1. weight, 2. mounting bracket, most of them horrible design (ask me how do I know), 3. Construction (same weld Al, horrible ). 4. Coverage, 5. true 90 degree on 270 awning , like it's full coverage at 90 deg turn at the end or cut side. I had OVS and that is most of many awnings, broke, bracket bent. Got now Roofnest after reviewing many of them, next to this it was Freespirit, but these bracket is bad as they don't have 90 deg weld enforcing gusset. And other other many companies are sketchy. it's really bad situation with awnings look like vendors don't test them well, like on beach for several days.
Thank you for opening this, some important points right here
I've been testing a lot of stuff on honestly it get alarming some time... figured someone at to share some of the behind the scenes testing and learnings.
Thanks for the post. We used to call it car/jeep camping or boondocking years ago. I upgraded to a Jeep Gladiator a few years ago. Watched overland channels. Rooftop tent cool, but costs $3000+. And I have a family of 4. Buy Gazelle ground tent they all said, $600. But it doesn't fit in the 5' gladiator bed. 😮💨 Its a great tent and I still use it, but have to pack it on the kayak trailer because it can't fit in the bed. So I now have a $150 Coleman that measures >4' and fits in the bed. Not to knock the Gazelle because it did stand up to a significant 60+ mph thunderstorm with almost no leaks while other tents in our group were destroyed. I also realize that some of these companies are innovating and developing products. As small companies in a niche market they have to charge higher prices. I am willing to pay for their innovation when it makes sense and they provide a product I need. Especially if I can buy American made and manufactured.
3:14 if you get a real E-ntrenching tool, with a "blade"... you CAN chop/cut/dig with it effectively... its meant to be carried in a backpack... depending on your job, youll have to use this for all of its uses if youre in the military long enough... with the right amount of gusto/anger you can dig through very rocky ground with one with ease. its good tool if your knowledge and expectations about its functionality are at the right level
As usual, you bring up the hard conversations that really need to be talked about, but no one wants to say. Keep up the good work.
Agreed 100% on all points here. I feel like a crazy person trying to explain this exact problem to my friends and peers who CONTINUE to fall for hype and junk gear. Too many companies trying to steal from this market segment with no knowledge or real world experience to add to it.
People who buy into marketing without real world experience is exactly who they are marketing to. People who are looking to join the new thing and dump money without a thought, then sell off when they are tired of the trend.
Bro. Say the name!! You're not helping anyone except yourself by not helping people avoid crappy expensive gear
Agree with your video, been camping in a Jeep for 25 plus years. Yes we have purchased the latest/ greatest stuff to have it sitting in a pile in the garage. It is absolutely about trade offs in functionality and resources the vehicle has.
The trade off thing is hard for people to accept... in almost everything now days the only limit is how much you want to spend... but Outdoor adventure in truly remote places will always require some version of a minimalist approach - Keep it simple, keep it reliable, keep it light.... It great, that is what I love about it... but it really seems to drive some people nuts.
@@OutdoorAuto it would be interesting to break down Overlanding into aspects of, such as recovery, sleeping, food preparation, weight management, vehicle function from a loaded perspective (handling, fuel economy, wind resistance, trailer towing, etc). Would be interesting to see input from senior campers and new to Overlanding inputs.
There are sooo many cheap products on the market today that look like the item you might want, but they simply don't work. Like a can opener that looks in all respects like a can opener, except it doesn't actually open cans. Or the wire cutters that won't actually cut through wire. I have purchased both of these items only to find out they are completely useless. The same issue exists with the overlanding gear you are referring to. The problem is compounded by websites that present glowing "reviews" of these cheap products. You simply can't depend on those reviews. Spending time on a good discussion forum where real people are using the products and sharing their experiences is one way. I particularly enjoy videos like this that provide a deeper insight into the products.
Great video. I just started to get my feet wet with this overland thing. I’m in the market for my 1st RT and definitely want to make the right decision. This is not a cheap hobby so being informed is key. Appreciate the insight!
IKamper is expensive but very high quality!! We love ours
Very true. It is really hard to find shops that have the right knowledge to service an offroad vehicle, expecially one which is lifted and has a stiff front axel. Living in Norway with a Jeep Wrangler JK
I don’t agree with not naming companies that are taking advantage of customers with shitty products. If this is how they think of recovery gear, why would I trust them with survival gear. This is not the “moral high ground” you think it is. There’s ZERO shame or negative impact to your character for calling out cheap, unsafe gear makers. Please name them.
Yup. First time watching this channel and left since he didn’t name the companies that make crappy product.
And are you gonna pay his legal bills when these companies inevitably sue him? This is more of a "let the buyer beware" video, which works too!
@@Michael-sz4he LOL you must be one of them “internet lawyers”. Please tell me the legal statute they would sue under for people reviewing a product and sharing their opinion. If that was actually a viable lawfare strategy then Amazon’s product review section would be farmed for fresh lawsuits on the daily.
So, you know what? Yes, I will pay 100% of the legal fees for all those lawsuits because there won’t be any. 🤡
@@Michael-sz4he now that is the silliest post of the day.
Even if it's a baseless suit, he has to fight it. Defamation and slander are basis for suits, ya know. I don't agree with it, but why the hell do you think HE HIMSELF didn't want to name the companies in the video???
Overlanding is dead, long live Overbuying! Great topic dude..hope it sparks lots of good dialogue.
Very worthwhile video!!!! And what makes matter worse? I watched several reviews of the tent you just showcased and not of the RUclipsrs mentioned the weight!!!! Many RUclips reviewers do not mention the short comings of the products or simply avoid some parts of the product all together. E.g. 270 Awnings - Do they actually open up to 270 degrees? How are the hinges made? How are the arms constructed? How is the backbone of the awning? Is it really freestanding or only just as long as it take to set it up? etc.
It is great to see someone upfront about what is happening. I was going to say I subscribed, but I already had!!!! Keep up the good work.
Like the info you provided and makes a lot of sense. Most people don't really think that way and some just like the overlanding look. But after 40 years of off roading, that's what we used to call it and camping along the way as you explored .Your right, Its about Sales and Marketing...Just look at all the channels that tell everyone that they need more crap to drive down a dirt road. And most don't even go off road. So keep testing, you may save someone's butt that has no seat time or experience..
Part of the problem is everyone has a 4dr truck (too long ,heavy)with a tiny bed. Nobody brings 4 passengers.
LOL (tundra)🤣
I have a 98 Tacoma standard cab. I'm small enough to sleep comfortably in the cab. I don't need a catalog of pricey crap to go into the woods. Most vehicles today are so ill-equipped and grossly oversized as to be useless on at least 50% of the Forest roads I travel.
Thank you for this video. Im a beginner overlander but Im choosing to keep my build mostly stock. Sticking to 2wd friendly trails. 😅😅
Nothing wrong with stock... in reality it is probably the most reliable setup.
My favorite bleeding edge product was a really cool battery mount for the in floor storage space in the back of a Ford Bronco. I was thinking this was a great way to set up a predator calling system (normal people would use it for a refrigerator), but it was pretty expensive. It was also setup for a specific battery. The battery people stopped making the battery. I didn’t even buy one, and I lost my mind. I could only imagine spending almost a grand on a special gizmo, so special that it’s special trash a mere six months after the special purchase.
This is a good example... thanks for sharing.
If you don’t name names of these companies then why bother with the video
Because p, like all RUclipsrs his options may vary once they offer to pay or provide free products.
Thank you for the video. Great information. Great insight on proper purchasing procedures. The bleeding edge ALWAYS follows the cutting edge...
Don’t worry about weight…after all, isn’t “overlanding” synonymous with “what’s a payload rating?”
Refuse to pay overland tax. I own a stock 2017 tundra 4x4 and aside from the tires that I will replace and aside from that I will get to most places that most overlanders do. Most the time it’s usually just a forest service road or maybe a slightly rougher one. Drive slow, take your time and you will be fine in most vehicles.
Excellent video! Your topics are well researched and very thorough. I’m in the market to upgrade my RTT to a clamshell and this is very helpful. Thank you.
I have a shovel similar to the one you ragged on in my camping go box. I've had it in the box for seven years. It was cheap and I bought it for emergencies. I don't wheel in mud. I have used it to dig cat holes. Or to cover a fire in dirt/sand for the night to be sure it was out.
I've more than gotten my moneys worth, it fits in my go box, and it's larger than the one you displayed.
Would the big $100-300 one you displayed work better? Sure, would it easily fit in my vehicle? Possibly not.
Good tips, my base model unlifted Subbie has only the basics, simple sleeping no platform, single burner stove, small lithium battery and starter, tire inflator, a normal ice cooler, a few pots and pans, fishing gear and a whole lot of fun🎉😊
Solid video with great comments about form, function, quality, etc. The shovel was hilarious - hard to believe that was a $450 kit!
Yeah they slap overland on something and want high dollar lol
All Chinese made junk
I am using the RTT from OPENROAD, and it is perfect, meeting all my needs.
Doesn't change the fact that it is incredibly overweight and uses up way to high of a % of your payload... .... but most people don't pay attention to that stuff and ignorance is bliss...
I always bring a bag of dirt to sit on top of during trips in my boat. Overlanding on water.
I received that same shovel for a gift from someone and I had work hard to pretend I liked it and needed one just like it.
😂 you are a good person.
Actual milsurp entrenching tools are good kit, but compromise efficiency as a shovel for compactness and portability. There's lots of cheap clones like this that are made from cheap steel though.
Thank you for addressing this. It definitely needed to be said. 🍻
Hopefully it doesn't get me cancelled... but it seemed like an important topic.
@@OutdoorAuto I wouldn’t fret about being cancelled. You presented your topic professionally, spoke common sense into an industry that’s being inundated with inferior products due to greed and didn’t mention the brands. I hope the video goes viral so more people are aware of this problem. Cheers! 🍻
Thanks for posting an excellent counterpoint! Many people who are jumping in just want to spend money on "Gadgets" without being prepared. But, they look cool! Or so they think.
It's not dead! It's just that companies are taking advantage of the damn title. No click bait!
I think you missed the point. Big time.
We used to call this wheelin and camping.
I don't know.of In the Marine Corps I've dug MANY fighting positions with an E-Tool just like that little dinky thing of a shovel. I'm confident, 100%, that I could dig a solid hole, or my Taco out of a sticky situation with that E-Tool. But, that's just me.
Yeah... you just need one made of actual good metal... I had one as a kid that was pretty solid.
Thanks for the great info. Hope to see you at the Overland Expo in Redmond this month
That’s the shovel you hand your toddler to keep them busy 😂. I think you buy things companies have earned accolades for, like Toyota and naturally aspirated V8s and V6s. Safety counts especially when your miles/hours from help.
Happy Father's Day and thank you.
Maybe do a video on these new fancy external reservoir shocks? Maybe you have, I'm new (as in this video) to the channel,.. I'll parooze and check out other topics. But that might be a good one for folks that are new. All the "INFLUENCERS" are given these new super shocks... Like Kings and others ... But don't say anything on how long they last. They look new and shiney, but they don't mention they are for racing and those guys rebuild them even between races! I have normal shocks ... And they are still going. How often do these new external reservoir shocks need to be rebuilt .... As you speak of buying things and "Understand the maintenance and maintenance costs." Just a thought.
I have a few suspension videos out from the basics for beginners all the way to high end long travel... Suspension Basics - ruclips.net/video/Ws6DX-cV_xw/видео.html Long Travel - ruclips.net/video/klTcNVsirGo/видео.html Bp-51 suspension review - ruclips.net/video/ZZSNYONRYxQ/видео.html
What I've done is if I need to buy gear, I look at the aussie market, their products tend to be much more higher quality and actually functional
They have a lot of good stuff but I have a lot of Aussie friends and they are just as leary of somestuff being made... they have their own brands that are making less then ideal stuff...
@OutdoorAuto yes they are but for big ticket items or legacy items I have not been disappointed in my aussie gear at all. It's been super high quality compared to the American brands and not much more than what the American are charging. But I also stay away from glamping and keep it low key
All good points, great video.
Good stuff. Refreshing to see more people doing this style video.
Hopefully they are helpful... so many people getting into this stuff right now.
@@OutdoorAuto yup. And lots of pop up companies just reselling white label bland products and calling it innovation and ripping off other companies that put in work.
That payload would be rough, I'd bet I have over 200 lbs of tools!! lol But I'm also starting my F350 build working with 3000 lbs payload
Overlanding is for people who know how cars work, but don't know how the woods work.
Overlanding is a pretty diverse crowd… from clueless city people wanting to experience nature for the first time to survival experts that would make all of us look like a joke… my point is not to beat up on Overlanding… it is to try and help people that want to get out and explore waste less money and spend more time exploring… whether beginners or experts.
Called exploring and camping been doing it for 45 years ! lol
We never see "overlanders" in baja. The bearded baseball hats are city people.
playskool tools should obviously be a "nope". compact shovels are a mean joke on someone who has never used a real one.
great video by the way! these are important points.
Why can’t you stick this on a 4runner? I had a fj cruiser with a alucab rtt, steel from and rear bumper, rock sliders, under armor, tones more stuff on the fj on a 3 inch lift. It works well and great over lander
People do bad builds all the time… so you can do whatever you want… but a tent that heavy on the roof of a small/medium SUV is a bad idea… it also probably uses almost half your payload with just the tent and a driver…
i totaly aggree, i am in europe, and "overlanding " is not as common and developed, or me its about the basics, getting up in some dispersed camping in the alps, stock nissan 4x4 with just at tyres, and the basics packed in the back ground tent if the weather is nice ore airmateras inside i the weather is iffy, i see some others out here with fully built landcruisers and 110 defenders reching the same place a dacia duster gets to...
Thank you
Hopefully its a helpful video for people.
Thank you for this perspective!
‼️ Nice reality check ‼️.
🙏❤️ love from Scotland ❤️🙏
Always. ALLWAYS research what the pro’s are doing first, and what gear they are using for extended periods of time to get in and out of places. Often times it’s the tried and true mfg that are keeping the pace, and the periphery whiz bang guys pop off and flash out.
With a few exceptions. Maxtrax being one.
They innovated a solid product and continued to develop and deliver some of the best recovery tools on the market. You know they’re solid because they haven’t yet sold out and branched into manufacturing things like refrigerators, and lighting, and all the other accessories they could slap a logo onto.
Keeping it real they’re all about recovery equipment, and only recovery equipment.
great info!!! Thank you for this vid!
Thank you for opening my eyes to this topic of maintenance who will do the work to watch for how long accompany has been in the space that their product is in. I’m a trucker and I appreciate this because I own a Cascadia freightliner and the only reason I have one instead of a Pete is number one cost And their vast network like a TA shop or a Speedco shop. I’m also an owner of a Ford F250 with an 8 foot bed. I’d love to take it over Landing. Do you have any recommendations what I should do to it?
Really great points in this video buddy! Great job!
'Overlanding' sounds like something Madison Ave came up with for car camping.
Same thing happened in the gun/knife/gear world not long ago
Paint something black and call it "tactical" then sell it for twice the price you did before.
Now call a backpack or tow strap "overlanding strap" and sell it for twice the price.
Most, if not all, this stuff is all made in the same chinese factories then stamped with different logos to get us all excited.
I call it "overbranding"
Dually noted, great informative and so true . . . Stay safe out there . . . The bling is truely blinding and crap is Just that . . .
Nate, you're soooo spot on. Just to your point: would you rely on a company that makes various roofracks AND fridges AND recovery gear. etc. etc. etc and all of this under the same name without any history or expertise? I hope not. xD
who even considering paying 450 bucks for 5m rope and a folding shovel is the question here
As a kid in the 70’s I remember it was called “camping”. I love these same guys I see everyday on the freeway with recovery boards, propane tanks, gas cans, roof top tents etc Do you really need all that garbage on your truck when your driving to the office?
Camping and Overlanding are supposed to be two different things. However everyone Is jumping on the Overlanding name bandwagon. And taking all that stuff off and on your rig and storing it somewhere is a pain. So yes in some instances it's necessary
Overlanding is like camping. You just spend 10x the money.
I’ve said that same thing too. It’s all just decoration. Why would you want all that stuff just being beat on by UV when you likely are using it once a month at most.
If using everything once in a while yes. But when your out a week at time or every single weekend for two or three days not a campgrounds someone that stuff is great to have. But there's always people that have stuff just for looks because they have the money. But you assume that's everyone obviously
Yes....all of it (guilty)
Great points! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for sharing. Keep up the truth.
overlanding is just car camping with unnecessary items
The shovel is for poop. That’s all 😂. But ya there’s a lot of products that suck. And a small shovel helps keep. Things light
Number one.. You must have a snorkel on your vehicle. The latest trend is dual snorkels which started in (I hear) Bavaria.
I raise you 2 snorkels and ask why not helicopter blades... it's like we aren't even trying... 😂
I've been doing "this" since 1976, long before overlanding was a word in the current sense. I hope it does die, honestly. Nearly everything I use is home built. I don't need the junk, or the prices, ...and I sure don't need the crowds. I've been to Expo west a few times, which is sort of fun, but I end up rarely finding anything well enough designed or built to actually buy. All my DIY stuff is actually better. A few times I have offered some suggestions, but I just get ignored. None of these things ever get actually tested before they sell them. It all looks so good at a show, and the minute you actually use it, you realize it is a total fail.
companies selling junk should feel shame and face boycott.
Overlanding is on the brink of becoming a strictly rich guy thing… it’s always been there to a certain extent, but it’s about to become an exclusive activity. The crowds will fall big time. If you’re not stinkin rich and you don’t have a rig now, chances are you never will.. at least for a decade or two.
Why tho? People have been off-roading for decades without new tech. You can still do that
great advice. keep up the great channel
I'll Keep making stuff if you guys keep watching it... thanks for the support.
Thats with everything in life, stay vigilant :)
Well said brother! 100%
Thank you
Wow, thanks... Just trying to make helpful videos.
15 years ago I got a 30 sec tent for $49 that is water proof, Now they want $350 and maybe waterproof
Cannot wait for people to realize how dumb it is to bolt a bunch of crap to their vehicles just to run back and forth to Walmart. Fingers crossed a lot of these get board and go back to taking Carnival cruises instead. 😂
Good info man!
Great video!