This was the best comparison video I have ever seen!! I forgot I was tryna review these mics!😂 It’s definitely a better experience listening to someone who can SANG and not just sing when reviewing these microphones.
The rumour that Micheal Jackson used it probably helped... :) I think with a singer who doesn't love all the detail it can be a more comfortable mic to use. If i was choosing for me though I would totally go with the 102.
@@TimMoxeyMusic No, what's help it's just the fact you can use the sm7 to track a singer in a live/studio situation, and have a good balance between quality of the main vocal and low bleed enough from the other instruments including drums so you can keep the vocal track for the final mix. Of course, in a context of a correctly treated room and re re recording, there is no point of using a SM7 instead of a condenser for a lead vocal.
“Blew it away” is such a stretch… I can name a few songs recorded on the shure sm7b that sounds incredible…. The mic can go up against the best of the best, and still deliver
TBH Joe Rogan effect! (Not hating on the dude honestly it probably sucks having that much influence unintentionally.) but my observation is that his producer "Young Jaime" basically selected a decent broadcast mic and the entire world of podcasting happened where literally thousands of new to pro audio types just kinda followed suit and snagged this well priced and solid performing, (but certainly) overrated Dynamic mic from Shure.
Hello Tim! Thank you very much for the quality of your work, very well done! Comparing the two microphones is very informative and revealing. You are truly an excellent singer with an exceptional voice. I now come back regularly to listen to this video just for your vocal performance. My sincere compliments!
as a sm7b user, the sound isolation for instruments in an untreated room is unmatched. with a bit of eq the sm7b can sound very close to most condenser microphones. the key is to remove the foam windscreen and use a normal pop filter to open up the high end. the sm7b requires a little more tweaking, but for me, it’s worth it for the noise rejection of my room and computer fan.
Thats a great point. The SM7b would be a great mic for recording in an untreated room. I haven't used my SM7b without the pop filter yet. I'll have to check that out.
@@Dipli Complete myth. Submit a citation to your claims. (So I can dismantle them). Polar pattern and frequency response are the only things that affect the "ability" of a mic to isolate room reflections or ambient sound. The SM7B is actually worse than many other microphones at isolating ambient noise. By design you are forced farther away from the physical mic capsule, the noise floor of the mic internals is much higher than many cheaper microphones, especially condensers. And the gain that many people add to the mic signal often amplifies the self noise of the mic itself, which people erroneously attribute to the preamp lmfao.
@@Dipli And Shure's marketing and reviewers are continuously disproven by audio engineers. Shure usest the fullest extent of ambigious wording in order to implicate that technology that may have been revolutionary in the 70s is still revolutionary today. It is no longer the case. In order to see some of the concepts consolidated into an easily digestible video format, see Julian Krause's Audio Myth / Science playlist. Stating that a dynamic microphones inherent low frequency requires the user to be closer to the microphone while implicating its an intrinsic feature of the SM7B is misleading. You are also able to do the same thing with other microphone types, barring perhaps earlier ribbon microphones in which a disc style pop filter was primarily used to protect the internals of the microphone through distance and distribution of air and blocking moisture. Condensers also come in multiple types, just just side address. There are also many microphone techniques that you can employ to decrease the proximity of the mic to the individual without creating plosives. According to Audio Science Review, the equivelant self noise measured in the SM7B is 22DB which is definitely above average for a microphone by a fair margin. I.E the Rode NT1 has roughly 4DB of self noise. It is also a much more even toned microphone and significantly less expensive. In addition to that, many microphones that have been released in the past 15-20 years have continuously improved upon transformerless designs and are relatively close to the TLM 103 in tonality and quality at a price point between 30 and 200 dollars. SM7B is essentially just a status piece and little else at this point. It doesn't have any particular limiting characteristics, but the points used to sell the SM7B to new users are merely manipulations of factual information to implicate the lack of availability of these features of effectiveness of these features in other microphones.
@@Dipli You're the brick wall, you're preaching to your own choir. Your own lack of intuition is wherein lies your inability to understand your own logical fallacies. You are literally arguing against mathematics to state the SM7B has a low noise floor. Not a very educated take. Let me guess, you think a cloud lifter reduces the noise floor as well? You clearly don't believe in physics lmfao. You literally force yourself to believe that these fallacies are intrinsic to a characteristic of the SM7B.
I really appreciated your frequency analysis. I've never seen that type of comparison in a mic review before. If I may, to me the SM7B sounded like AM radio on both isolated vocals and mixed vocals, and the TLM102 was richer and had much better balance.
@@TimMoxeyMusic Not to mention that level matching it to the tlm103 will generate a little more noise due to the inherent self noise and extra distance from the capsule.
Thanks so much for this. Great video. There's a world of complexity in the TLM that is not there in the Shure and in fact is quite muted. Loved the comparisons but what I would love to see would be a section where you alternate between the two at a faster cadence, either a line or flicking between the two on a sustained note.
very refreshing to hear vocals on a mic test that are good (they were awesome) its so hard to get an idea of a mics true coloration when the vocals don't sound good to begin with. thank you, breath of fresh air!
I would probably say the detail of the TLM102 makes it more useable on more sources, but the SM7b still works when you are looking for a specific sound.
The Shure SM7B captures more of the low end and "soul" in your voice", while the TLM 102 thins out the low end but has a clearer high end. The TLM made your voice feel "thinner" so I would go with the Shure SM7B on this one. You can always eq and boost the highs later.
I was surprised, I was expecting a bit more of a difference between the 2 mics. The frequency analysis did show pretty much what I was hearing in the comparison. Good job!
Totally. When it comes to the mixed-down audio they both give a different flavour but are both usable. That proximity effect is a real kicker though. :)
When you mix a song you end up tailoring the sound to what you desired. So the same mixing engineer is going to make most non garbage mics sound about the same!
I have never used an SM7B but I have used the TLM 102 but in this video the 102 blew it out of the water. It sounded so much better than the SM7B no doubt for me it's the 102
It did come out on top in this video, but i still think for some applications it's amazing. Check out this video it shows the SM7b in a better light. ruclips.net/video/jKOjX9Hnzbs/видео.html
The SM7B is just a dynamic and a very dark one at that. I used an SM7B, but I recently got a Lewitt LCT 440 Pure which also blows the SM7B out of the water.
wow...seen tonnes of comparison vids of these mics and this is by far the best one for showing how amazing the neumann is! bought a 103 not a 102 so one upped there :)
Many thanks for this really well done test!! Seems SM7B can be pretty "intimate", TLM102 is more widerange (like condenser usually are), but what works in the end is a question of taste🙂 I will probably record with both (like you did) and then decide 🙂 When you combine guitar+vocals, I have a goose bumps from the SM7B version 😀 TLM102 is too perfect... Respect to your singing and the song writing skills🙂
I really like the SM7b too, It has some really nice character and works really well on some sources. Trying t for yourself is totally the best way to go if you can.
Wow you have an amazing voice. Thank you for the great review as well. Currently debating between the TLM102 and the TLM103. I use the SM7B right now and it's served me well but it definitely sounds like the 102 is an upgrade. To be expected from a Neumann I suppose..
listening in a acoustically treated room on a pair of Yamaha HS5's. TLM is much more bright and clear. Also, I have both mics. I use the shure sm7b for gaming and the 102 for studio vocals. I plan on upgrading to the 103 soon. cheers
When you sang the 2nd time and with the combination of guitar and vocal I liked the sound of the SM7B more, but that might be the youtube compression as well. Really wish there was a better way to watch video's like this with the original audio instead of the conversion/compression coloring the sound and removing the ultra high end. Really hard to hear the air of high quality equipment when its given such harsh lossy compression
Ur sm7b sounds different then mine, mine sounds dark and more low end to it. Also artist usually talk and sing closer and directly into it. but I also got the cloud lifter so maybe that’s why urs sounded underpowered
I watched because I own a TLM102 and am constantly tempted to get the Shure because it’s so ubiquitous in video. This video helped me lose the temptation to buy a Shure, but also, your singing voice is phenomenal!
Very helpful! Our voices are similar. I'm about to record a monster blues album where I THOUGHT I would want the 7B for my much louder vocals, but the 102 certainly sounds far better through the entire freq spectrum. Well done! :)
There is a big difference. Although in saying that the difference is made bigger by the distance. The SM7b sounds much fuller when you are closer to it, but i was trying to keep it as much the same as I could.
Your right the position definitely favoured the SM7b, but if i had done different distances some would say it's not a fair test... It's hard to cover all bases in a single video.
aupa tim,me a encantado las comparaciones de estos dos micrófonos, particularmente me decantaria por el neumann tlm 102,suena un poquito mas grave y mas cuerpo sobre todo e notado una gran diferencia en la guitarra mas que en la voz que tambien hay una pequeña diferencia,asi que muchisimas gracias y un saludo
I am a bit of an noob when it comes to sound. What i would say. Is yes a condenser picks up more sound. But that SM7B cuts through. The condenser gives you a bunch of sound I dont like. I love warm/dark. Plus I record in an untreated room and don't want to pick up too much. To me the SM7B wins. My voice lacks bass so I don't want more highs/presence.
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For your voice Neumann is the winner 😊 Sounds great, like a record!
I have the TLM 103, its too bright for me, too sibilant. Every time i use it i have to EQ away -4 / -5 db in the 6k-10k hz range because of noise and unwanted frequencies. Its a super nice sounding mic otherwise tho, but for me its a waste. Probably better for pure singing rather than rap/rnb modern vocals. (for me) Im going to "downgrade" to a sm7b i think in the coming months, so that its easier for me to put effects on my vocal chain without worrying about sibilance and too much brightness
Hello everything is fine? Congratulations on your work...both microphones are excellent! but I found the sm7b, more natural... I believe that everything depends on the proposal of the work... I wish you success! Hugs from Brazil.
Listening on monitors there's a huge difference as far as >$300 mics go, the shure sounds pretty telephony. I'm guessing it'd be a closer match if you'd been able to sing into the shure a bit more directly?
Telephony is a great description of what it sounded like when I was talking into it. The SM7b doesn't like (in my experience) being too far away from the sound source. However, in the musical example, I did try to keep an even distance from both diaphragms to give the fairest and most balanced comparison. I will say though when I have been working with the SM7b outside of tests and comparisons I have found it to be very mid-heavy. It's not a bad sound at all, but I have found myself pulling a bit of the mids out when I record vocals and it's really sweet. I hope that helps.
J'ai le sm7b, le kms 105 et j'ai possédé le tlm 102, je trouve le son plus propre sur le tlm 102 et le kms 105 au niveau des effets appliqués mais le sm7b se place tellement mieux dans un mix, je trouve que le kms et le tlm manque de medium, de présence, de chaleur, de rondeur, comparé au sm7b...
of course TLM 02 sounds much better when it comes to recording vocals !! i have sm7b its more mid as you say you said its totally correct... mixin vocals with sm7 it could be a nightmare for lots of vocals !!
It really depends. I went and listened to an album where they used the SM 7B, it sounds very clear and sweet and I can’t really imagine it sounding much better if at all. Orca by Hana
@@michaelyolch79 yes, I saw everything she did in processing because I watched the production stream. It went through equalization in nectar. Regardless, the original tone of the microphone carries through to the final recording, even if other sonic signatures are added later.
i see a lot of videos of these two mics being compared. why? they are two completely different mics right? is there some sort of common aspect of them both besides the price that makes them similar?
I think the SMB7 is better if you're on a budget. TLM 102 has supreme sound quality (to the point that some VO studios will not allow you to join their ranks if your home studio does not have one). But boy, have you seen the price on that thing?
V67G definitely holds up tot he Neumann in that regard. You can definitely fool a studio into thinking you have one. Sound treatment and proper technique makes your recordings for voice acting stand out a lot more than your mic will.
Hey man, sorry to ask something kinda unrelated to the video, but i just wondered how did you manage to get the Shure SM7B on a regular mic stand please? Because i was so excited and received mine today but it's adapter doesn't fit my mic stand (which is like yours, not a boom arm) and it won't fit because it seems to have a nut in the bottom of the connector? N i cant remove because it seems if i did it'd allow me to connect them, If you can help i'd really appreciate it cos i,'m so disappointed, thanks :)
Not a worry. Is it the thread converter that is stuck in the microphone? If that's the case you could use a big screwdriver to get it out. If it's upside down and there is nowhere to put a screwdriver I have found a pair of pliers will do the trick (yep i've made the mistake of getting it stuck in there more than once). Once you get that out you shouldn't have any problems. Let me know how you go.
@@TimMoxeyMusic thanks for the reply man! Yeah it seems it but it was delivered like it? And I have tried one pair of pliers but I had a go but then couldn't find any more info on if it definitely needed to be removed n how to (lots of people said to try pliers). And I also wasn't sure if getting the bolt would 100% allow it to connect to my mic stand so I stopped for that reason too, butI imagine it should I'm just worried to damage the bolt/threading inside.
@@JC-sk8bs I really sounds like the thread converter is stuck in there upside down. Use a good amount of force and it should come out, but certainly be carful not to damage anything. If you're not confident to do it, ask someone who is handy with tools.
There is no way that mic makes that kind of difference. I understand a mic sounding much better than another. But the way it sounded better sounds like it had more to do with your own vocal performance. It appeared that your posture and vocal placements were different. (Cut my comment down, in case it looked rude.)
There is no difference in takes. It is the same take. The difference is truely just proximity. I don't do any correction or processing in my tests. The SM7b is better at a closer range because of the differences in the transducer/capsule design.
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This was the best comparison video I have ever seen!! I forgot I was tryna review these mics!😂 It’s definitely a better experience listening to someone who can SANG and not just sing when reviewing these microphones.
Bro you sound amazing did not expect that voice.
Im so impressed
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it.
You are an excellent singer. I do not know how the SM7B became so popular using it for serious vocal recording. The TLM 102 blew it away.
The rumour that Micheal Jackson used it probably helped... :) I think with a singer who doesn't love all the detail it can be a more comfortable mic to use. If i was choosing for me though I would totally go with the 102.
@@TimMoxeyMusic No, what's help it's just the fact you can use the sm7 to track a singer in a live/studio situation, and have a good balance between quality of the main vocal and low bleed enough from the other instruments including drums so you can keep the vocal track for the final mix. Of course, in a context of a correctly treated room and re re recording, there is no point of using a SM7 instead of a condenser for a lead vocal.
“Blew it away” is such a stretch…
I can name a few songs recorded on the shure sm7b that sounds incredible….
The mic can go up against the best of the best, and still deliver
You need to use a cloud lifter with the sm7b to get more energy in the higher frequencies.
TBH Joe Rogan effect!
(Not hating on the dude honestly it probably sucks having that much influence unintentionally.) but my observation is that his producer "Young Jaime" basically selected a decent broadcast mic and the entire world of podcasting happened where literally thousands of new to pro audio types just kinda followed suit and snagged this well priced and solid performing, (but certainly) overrated Dynamic mic from Shure.
Hello Tim! Thank you very much for the quality of your work, very well done! Comparing the two microphones is very informative and revealing. You are truly an excellent singer with an exceptional voice. I now come back regularly to listen to this video just for your vocal performance. My sincere compliments!
This is truly one of the best mic reviews I've seen in a while. Not over-produced, no corniness/No BS/Good info & great song. TYsir!
as a sm7b user, the sound isolation for instruments in an untreated room is unmatched. with a bit of eq the sm7b can sound very close to most condenser microphones. the key is to remove the foam windscreen and use a normal pop filter to open up the high end. the sm7b requires a little more tweaking, but for me, it’s worth it for the noise rejection of my room and computer fan.
Thats a great point. The SM7b would be a great mic for recording in an untreated room. I haven't used my SM7b without the pop filter yet. I'll have to check that out.
The SM7B doesn't have any sound isolation that any cardiod wouldn't. That is a myth propgated by deliberate miseducation regarding recording level.
@@Dipli Complete myth. Submit a citation to your claims. (So I can dismantle them).
Polar pattern and frequency response are the only things that affect the "ability" of a mic to isolate room reflections or ambient sound. The SM7B is actually worse than many other microphones at isolating ambient noise. By design you are forced farther away from the physical mic capsule, the noise floor of the mic internals is much higher than many cheaper microphones, especially condensers. And the gain that many people add to the mic signal often amplifies the self noise of the mic itself, which people erroneously attribute to the preamp lmfao.
@@Dipli And Shure's marketing and reviewers are continuously disproven by audio engineers.
Shure usest the fullest extent of ambigious wording in order to implicate that technology that may have been revolutionary in the 70s is still revolutionary today. It is no longer the case. In order to see some of the concepts consolidated into an easily digestible video format, see Julian Krause's Audio Myth / Science playlist.
Stating that a dynamic microphones inherent low frequency requires the user to be closer to the microphone while implicating its an intrinsic feature of the SM7B is misleading.
You are also able to do the same thing with other microphone types, barring perhaps earlier ribbon microphones in which a disc style pop filter was primarily used to protect the internals of the microphone through distance and distribution of air and blocking moisture.
Condensers also come in multiple types, just just side address. There are also many microphone techniques that you can employ to decrease the proximity of the mic to the individual without creating plosives.
According to Audio Science Review, the equivelant self noise measured in the SM7B is 22DB which is definitely above average for a microphone by a fair margin. I.E the Rode NT1 has roughly 4DB of self noise. It is also a much more even toned microphone and significantly less expensive.
In addition to that, many microphones that have been released in the past 15-20 years have continuously improved upon transformerless designs and are relatively close to the TLM 103 in tonality and quality at a price point between 30 and 200 dollars.
SM7B is essentially just a status piece and little else at this point. It doesn't have any particular limiting characteristics, but the points used to sell the SM7B to new users are merely manipulations of factual information to implicate the lack of availability of these features of effectiveness of these features in other microphones.
@@Dipli You're the brick wall, you're preaching to your own choir. Your own lack of intuition is wherein lies your inability to understand your own logical fallacies. You are literally arguing against mathematics to state the SM7B has a low noise floor. Not a very educated take. Let me guess, you think a cloud lifter reduces the noise floor as well? You clearly don't believe in physics lmfao. You literally force yourself to believe that these fallacies are intrinsic to a characteristic of the SM7B.
I really appreciated your frequency analysis. I've never seen that type of comparison in a mic review before. If I may, to me the SM7B sounded like AM radio on both isolated vocals and mixed vocals, and the TLM102 was richer and had much better balance.
SM7B has tapered lows and an odd high curve/drop off. So you hear a mid emphasis on it and most Shure products.
The SM7b does better when it's closer to the source but it still not as full as the tlm102.
@@TimMoxeyMusic Not to mention that level matching it to the tlm103 will generate a little more noise due to the inherent self noise and extra distance from the capsule.
SM7B sounds like live radio performance in the studio, that’s correct.
@@skorpers SM7B does not have tapered lows, it has too much of them instead. Sounds boxy on every singer…
nice test! Thank you man. The TLM has a softness and nice low and highs. I use the SM7b but would love to try the Neumann
The 102 certainly has a nice balanced sound, but there is something about the SM7b in the mids that I really like. It's really musical.
TLM102 for me all day long richer,warmer,fuller sound on both vocals and guitar. Glad i purchased the TLM102 and not the SM7b
Thanks so much for this. Great video. There's a world of complexity in the TLM that is not there in the Shure and in fact is quite muted. Loved the comparisons but what I would love to see would be a section where you alternate between the two at a faster cadence, either a line or flicking between the two on a sustained note.
very refreshing to hear vocals on a mic test that are good (they were awesome) its so hard to get an idea of a mics true coloration when the vocals don't sound good to begin with. thank you, breath of fresh air!
Thank you for your kind words. It means a lot coming from a great singer such as yourself.
The shure is fine for most streamers/cc but the tlm102 sounds way more warm and cozy
I would probably say the detail of the TLM102 makes it more useable on more sources, but the SM7b still works when you are looking for a specific sound.
I was doing research into the TLM 102, and honestly I was impressed but I’m much more impressed with your voice
The Shure SM7B captures more of the low end and "soul" in your voice", while the TLM 102 thins out the low end but has a clearer high end. The TLM made your voice feel "thinner" so I would go with the Shure SM7B on this one. You can always eq and boost the highs later.
One of the best reviews I've ever seen on RUclips, thank you and good luck!
Thank you. I appreciate the support.
I was surprised, I was expecting a bit more of a difference between the 2 mics. The frequency analysis did show pretty much what I was hearing in the comparison. Good job!
Totally. When it comes to the mixed-down audio they both give a different flavour but are both usable. That proximity effect is a real kicker though. :)
When you mix a song you end up tailoring the sound to what you desired. So the same mixing engineer is going to make most non garbage mics sound about the same!
I have never used an SM7B but I have used the TLM 102 but in this video the 102 blew it out of the water. It sounded so much better than the SM7B no doubt for me it's the 102
It did come out on top in this video, but i still think for some applications it's amazing. Check out this video it shows the SM7b in a better light. ruclips.net/video/jKOjX9Hnzbs/видео.html
I totally agree. This one isnt even close. Listening on good monitors. Im actually surprised that it wasnt closer. I dont own either.
The SM7B is just a dynamic and a very dark one at that. I used an SM7B, but I recently got a Lewitt LCT 440 Pure which also blows the SM7B out of the water.
wow...seen tonnes of comparison vids of these mics and this is by far the best one for showing how amazing the neumann is! bought a 103 not a 102 so one upped there :)
I’m leaning more towards Neuman as a voiceover artist but remember this..Thriller was recorded with the SM 7. Vocals and all.
SM7 and SM7b are two different microphones, the later sounds worse…
@@sevchykthey sound the same this has been reviewed many times😂
Many thanks for this really well done test!! Seems SM7B can be pretty "intimate", TLM102 is more widerange (like condenser usually are), but what works in the end is a question of taste🙂 I will probably record with both (like you did) and then decide 🙂 When you combine guitar+vocals, I have a goose bumps from the SM7B version 😀 TLM102 is too perfect... Respect to your singing and the song writing skills🙂
I really like the SM7b too, It has some really nice character and works really well on some sources. Trying t for yourself is totally the best way to go if you can.
@@TimMoxeyMusic Dude, don’t you hear how shitty SM7B sounds on vocals? It brings out spiky consonants, yet sounds dull.
@@TimMoxeyMusicTim, what DAW did you use to record and mix this fragment?
just what i needed, thx for posting. You got talent brother, love it.
Wow you have an amazing voice. Thank you for the great review as well. Currently debating between the TLM102 and the TLM103. I use the SM7B right now and it's served me well but it definitely sounds like the 102 is an upgrade. To be expected from a Neumann I suppose..
And THIS is why I use a 102 for everything from streaming to recording pretty much anything.
IT is a good mic. Saying that though I do love the SM7b for some source. I think it claps on electric guitar amps.
But u need good room acoustic for 102 cause its gonna catch ever barking dog
The big vocals demo you did I think that’s exactly what a 251 excels at.
listening in a acoustically treated room on a pair of Yamaha HS5's. TLM is much more bright and clear. Also, I have both mics. I use the shure sm7b for gaming and the 102 for studio vocals. I plan on upgrading to the 103 soon. cheers
When you sang the 2nd time and with the combination of guitar and vocal I liked the sound of the SM7B more, but that might be the youtube compression as well. Really wish there was a better way to watch video's like this with the original audio instead of the conversion/compression coloring the sound and removing the ultra high end. Really hard to hear the air of high quality equipment when its given such harsh lossy compression
Whoa!!!!!! Huge difference. The 102 is wayyy fuller.
Tbh i forgot about the Microphones while i watched, cause bro is cooking right there 😤
Just what I was looking for; someone that can really sing. 👍🏻
WOW I couldn't believe it at first the TLM sounds like the radio already. AMAZING
It definitely has a good clean clear sound. The SM7b does have some nice character for the right thing.
Love this video! What mic stand are you using for the SHURE SM7B, would you recommend it?
I thought in a mix the difference might not be so great. I'd pick the TLM102 every time over the SM7B.
I have the SM7b but I now use my recently purchased C414 XLS
Interesting thing to me is that solo’d I prefer the TLM102, but when mixed with guitar the SM7 sounds better
The diaphragm on the SM7B is about 3-4 inches in, hence the loss of volume when you’re a bit farther out.
Totally. Although I did line up the diaphragms. I'm going to do this test again to show the optimal proximity for both mics.
@@TimMoxeyMusic good idea - I think the SM7 would benefit from being right on it with windscreen removed.
Ur sm7b sounds different then mine, mine sounds dark and more low end to it. Also artist usually talk and sing closer and directly into it. but I also got the cloud lifter so maybe that’s why urs sounded underpowered
To me the Tlm has a warmer sound, but with that warmth it also picks up plosives much more than the SMB.
I watched because I own a TLM102 and am constantly tempted to get the Shure because it’s so ubiquitous in video. This video helped me lose the temptation to buy a Shure, but also, your singing voice is phenomenal!
Thank you. If you have a 102 and want a different flavour a classic sm57 isn't a bad choice and is very affordable.
I have both of these mics, thank you for doing an in-depth analysis of the differences!
No worries, thanks for watching.
Which one them is best for a record studio setting ?
@@sunnyumukoro7665 the answer is buy both, it’s source dependent on which you should use.
Great test Tim! Best wishes from Barcelona!
Thank you! Cheers!
Very helpful! Our voices are similar. I'm about to record a monster blues album where I THOUGHT I would want the 7B for my much louder vocals, but the 102 certainly sounds far better through the entire freq spectrum. Well done! :)
wow! huge difference! Thanks for showing this
There is a big difference. Although in saying that the difference is made bigger by the distance. The SM7b sounds much fuller when you are closer to it, but i was trying to keep it as much the same as I could.
The TLM sounds way better but the mic position was better for the TLM on both vocals and acoustic guitar. Not fair!
Your right the position definitely favoured the SM7b, but if i had done different distances some would say it's not a fair test... It's hard to cover all bases in a single video.
Gracias amigo. Excelente comparación y análisis.
Heey! First of all, awesome video :) I was wondering what you to do reduce plosives
Did you use a cloud lifter with the sm7b in the video?
aupa tim,me a encantado las comparaciones de estos dos micrófonos, particularmente me decantaria por el neumann tlm 102,suena un poquito mas grave y mas cuerpo sobre todo e notado una gran diferencia en la guitarra mas que en la voz que tambien hay una pequeña diferencia,asi que muchisimas gracias y un saludo
I agree, the 102 has a fuller sound. Thanks for watching.
I am a bit of an noob when it comes to sound. What i would say. Is yes a condenser picks up more sound. But that SM7B cuts through. The condenser gives you a bunch of sound I dont like. I love warm/dark.
Plus I record in an untreated room and don't want to pick up too much.
To me the SM7B wins. My voice lacks bass so I don't want more highs/presence.
For your voice Neumann is the winner 😊 Sounds great, like a record!
I have the TLM 103, its too bright for me, too sibilant. Every time i use it i have to EQ away -4 / -5 db in the 6k-10k hz range because of noise and unwanted frequencies. Its a super nice sounding mic otherwise tho, but for me its a waste. Probably better for pure singing rather than rap/rnb modern vocals. (for me) Im going to "downgrade" to a sm7b i think in the coming months, so that its easier for me to put effects on my vocal chain without worrying about sibilance and too much brightness
Thank you! that was very helpful !
Great video. Currently have an smb and looking at a 102 mayne 103. But I agreed 100 with your final take. 102 was way crispier
I think having both isn't a bad thing. They sound really different and you can get some really great recordings with both.
Hello everything is fine? Congratulations on your work...both microphones are excellent! but I found the sm7b, more natural... I believe that everything depends on the proposal of the work... I wish you success! Hugs from Brazil.
Thanks for sharing!
You selected SM7B over TLM102? Seriously? What a bullshit choice…
The SM7B sounds anything but natural imo.
Listening on monitors there's a huge difference as far as >$300 mics go, the shure sounds pretty telephony. I'm guessing it'd be a closer match if you'd been able to sing into the shure a bit more directly?
Telephony is a great description of what it sounded like when I was talking into it. The SM7b doesn't like (in my experience) being too far away from the sound source. However, in the musical example, I did try to keep an even distance from both diaphragms to give the fairest and most balanced comparison.
I will say though when I have been working with the SM7b outside of tests and comparisons I have found it to be very mid-heavy. It's not a bad sound at all, but I have found myself pulling a bit of the mids out when I record vocals and it's really sweet. I hope that helps.
@@TimMoxeyMusic Mid-heavy? “Ugly boomy unclear muddy low mids” is what is appropriate.
TLM 102 hands down! 🎉🎉
It is a great mic!
I love this:)) thank you. 💛
great vocals, nice vid bro, thank u
Nice pipes brother!
Excellent analysis
I keep telling people it's not the mic it's the producer and mixing
And the performer and mic technique
Owner of a 103 and il be the first to say if your room isnt treated go with the sm7b
You're a beautiful singer.
Man, compared with the TLM-102 the SM7B sounds harsh to my ear. Crazy.
Beautiful voice man
I am not a musician. I will only use it when doing voice-overs, dubbing and podcasting. Which microphone do you think I should choose?
Thank you ☺️🙏🏻
J'ai le sm7b, le kms 105 et j'ai possédé le tlm 102, je trouve le son plus propre sur le tlm 102 et le kms 105 au niveau des effets appliqués mais le sm7b se place tellement mieux dans un mix, je trouve que le kms et le tlm manque de medium, de présence, de chaleur, de rondeur, comparé au sm7b...
of course TLM 02 sounds much better when it comes to recording vocals !! i have sm7b its more mid as you say you said its totally correct... mixin vocals with sm7 it could be a nightmare for lots of vocals !!
Totally agree!
SM7B sounds better but what is your current chain ?
Are you a vocal teacher? And do you do lessons?
It really depends. I went and listened to an album where they used the SM 7B, it sounds very clear and sweet and I can’t really imagine it sounding much better if at all. Orca by Hana
By the time you're hearing it on that album, way too many other variables are affecting the final sound...preamp, compressor, EQ, mix, master.
@@michaelyolch79 yes, I saw everything she did in processing because I watched the production stream. It went through equalization in nectar. Regardless, the original tone of the microphone carries through to the final recording, even if other sonic signatures are added later.
i see a lot of videos of these two mics being compared. why? they are two completely different mics right? is there some sort of common aspect of them both besides the price that makes them similar?
Let me know what mics you'd like me compare next.
Where's the link to your song?, came for the review but stayed for the voice and tune...xox
What a goof... I fixed it now. thank you for telling me. Here it is so you don't have to go look. ruclips.net/video/3HK4svhGqw4/видео.html
What interface i should get for the neumann tlm 102?
You got some lungs on you! In this instance your voice through the TLM 102 sounds better
Just vocals were clearly better on the TLM. The differences were much less dramatic when combined with the guitar.
I think the SMB7 is better if you're on a budget.
TLM 102 has supreme sound quality (to the point that some VO studios will not allow you to join their ranks if your home studio does not have one). But boy, have you seen the price on that thing?
Hahaha fair point. Neumanns are expensive but i have always enjoyed singing into them. In my opinion they are worth the investment.
V67G definitely holds up tot he Neumann in that regard. You can definitely fool a studio into thinking you have one.
Sound treatment and proper technique makes your recordings for voice acting stand out a lot more than your mic will.
Those same people wouldn't be able to the Neumann in a blind test.
TLM smashed it
u used the 7b flat?
yeah Neumann is gonna be the move
Hey man, how are we supposed to hear difference in 720p video?
Please make it 1440p so that compression on utube isn't killing the audio.
I'll see what I can do for future videos.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, TLM …
these are too different mics. regardless both sound great and the sm7b definitely sounds fire for what it is!!!
I agree. Whenever I use the SM7b i really like it. There is just something about it.
TLM102 all day dude its not even close.
and subscribed off course;)
Hey man, sorry to ask something kinda unrelated to the video, but i just wondered how did you manage to get the Shure SM7B on a regular mic stand please? Because i was so excited and received mine today but it's adapter doesn't fit my mic stand (which is like yours, not a boom arm) and it won't fit because it seems to have a nut in the bottom of the connector? N i cant remove because it seems if i did it'd allow me to connect them, If you can help i'd really appreciate it cos i,'m so disappointed, thanks :)
Not a worry. Is it the thread converter that is stuck in the microphone? If that's the case you could use a big screwdriver to get it out. If it's upside down and there is nowhere to put a screwdriver I have found a pair of pliers will do the trick (yep i've made the mistake of getting it stuck in there more than once). Once you get that out you shouldn't have any problems. Let me know how you go.
@@TimMoxeyMusic thanks for the reply man! Yeah it seems it but it was delivered like it? And I have tried one pair of pliers but I had a go but then couldn't find any more info on if it definitely needed to be removed n how to (lots of people said to try pliers). And I also wasn't sure if getting the bolt would 100% allow it to connect to my mic stand so I stopped for that reason too, butI imagine it should I'm just worried to damage the bolt/threading inside.
@@JC-sk8bs I really sounds like the thread converter is stuck in there upside down. Use a good amount of force and it should come out, but certainly be carful not to damage anything. If you're not confident to do it, ask someone who is handy with tools.
Why did u have the bass roll off enabled for the sm7b?
I didn't. I always try to do my tests as flat as possible.
This is like a difference between a cheap basement and 200 000 dollar studio.
Here's Tim singing on The Voice for anyone interested: ruclips.net/video/5ZHJF2Nio3A/видео.html
So which one is better loL
the TLM102 wins for me man
Sm7B always sounds like it’s a record from the nineties…
💌 condenser 🤟
tlm so much more detail in voice
The shure was blown out of the water lol.
for big difference in price sm7b not too bad
I really like the SM7b. Check out this video you can hear a little more of what it can do. ruclips.net/video/jKOjX9Hnzbs/видео.html
There is no way that mic makes that kind of difference. I understand a mic sounding much better than another. But the way it sounded better sounds like it had more to do with your own vocal performance. It appeared that your posture and vocal placements were different. (Cut my comment down, in case it looked rude.)
There is no difference in takes. It is the same take. The difference is truely just proximity. I don't do any correction or processing in my tests. The SM7b is better at a closer range because of the differences in the transducer/capsule design.
Guitar model please
I am playing a Cole Clark FL2 in this video.
@@TimMoxeyMusic sounds and looks amazing
I think Neumann
wow the TLM102 shits on the Shure and it's not even close